Basic income is the future.
>>76842781
>Basic income is r-selected.
FTFY
>>76842781
The Economist wrote a nice piece about this issue.
Basic income means everyone should get paid to exist. Is it logical?
Is it sustainable, knowing that population grows exponentially?
Is it realistic if borders are open?
Many questions, one answer.
>No
>>76842781
>punish the hardworking and reward the lazy
Yeah that'll work real fucking well.
>>76842781
We could use it as an incentive for sterilization.
>hyperinflation
go right ahead, i already have my gold.
>>76842781
Basic income is perfect. It removes the only valid objection to libertarianism, which is that there might not be enough jobs.
It gets leftists mad once they realise what it means. Since money is a universal commodity (unlike healthcare or food stamps), its benefit to the individual will be based on how responsible the individual is.
If you live a simple life and save, nobody can stop you having a decent nest egg.
>>76842850
We could sustain 20 B, easy
>>76843902
>implying gold is a refuge good
>implying price of gold does not fluctuate dramatically
>implying gold is better than art, archaeological treasures, unique pieces
>>76843252
>Is it logical?
It's best for all, that's all that matters.
>Is it sustainable?
When we stop worrying about survival, we can turn to education and stop having so many children.
>Is it realistic if borders are open?
Either countries will keep borders closed until effects are known or, more realistically, it will be implemented worldwide.
Economist is literally garbage
>>76844288
>When we stop worrying about survival, we can turn to education and stop having so many children.
Now that calculation doesn't work out. You can actually have more children, because each of them will get the basic income as well.
>>76844288
>When we stop worrying about survival, we can turn to education and stop having so many children.
And what will you be worrying about when the hyperinflation goes full swing?
>>76844288
That was not the point of the Economist, it was my point.
I was only providing further information on the subject.
>It's best for all, that's all that matters
Is it morally right to pay someone to exist?
This completely devalues work.
>stop having so many children.
Go tell the Africans and the Muslims.
Population grows too fast and countries can't keep up providing a basic income for everyone.
>it will be implemented worldwide.
wew lad, we're onto some idealistic things right here
Are you a bernout? or what
sure thing marxist redditor. go ahead and give up all your money to give a basic income to thousands of africans who have no income then. lets start with you.
Getting "paid" to exist is morally and mathematically reprehensible.
In order to get "paid", somebody who produces value to the economy needs to pay out. Money doesn't just exist, it's a representation of value. and even if it's printed, the market corrects through inflation and currency faith.
Nature follows the path of least resistance. Give people the capability of sitting on their couch and surviving, they'll take it.
Something the socialist and communists refuse to digest.
Capitalism (not saying we have that now) might be a brutal law of nature, but it's the only system that naturally sits on an economic equilibrium.
>>76846641
Problem is, that if the jobs for 50% of the population physically will not exist anymore, you'll have a nice and violent uprising on your hands.
So you can either spend money on equipping the other 50% with weapons such that the status quo is defended, or you think about alternatives in a world in which menial jobs will steadily vanish.
>>76846901
It's brutal, but the 50% with low worth will adapt, educate, or die. We can not sustain a world where where the productive pay the unproductive to have babies and exist.
There is no moral alternative.
Arm the tax payers, train them, I don't care. Enforce the laws of private property and put down insurrections. You'd be surprised how quickly humans will pick up a book and learn a new trade when starvation stares them in the face.
it won't happen for another 50 years
at least according to economists at our top think tanks like CFR
either that or the majority of the population will be exterminated and Earth will be populated by robots, AI, and augmented humans
>>76844288
wow. As interested as I am in the idea of ubi, it's people like you that make me think it might not be a good thing at all. You're so fucking infantile in your thinking, god damn.
this whole thread is just sad
>>76842781
>implying it isn't going backward
Remember that mouse experiment anon we're already at the tipping point of that for most "modern" societies.
>>76846901
how about those useless people learn to do something else.
>>76847253
>It's brutal, but the 50% with low worth will adapt, educate, or die.
There is no such thing as a "low worth" human being. The problem with capitalism is it makes this kind of thinking possible.
>We can not sustain a world where where the productive pay the unproductive to have babies and exist.
Well we'd better figure out how, because your social Darwinist alternative is unacceptable. Institute single-child policies if we have to.
>There is no moral alternative
Guaranteed basic income is literally the only moral option.
>Arm the tax payers, train them, I don't care. Enforce the laws of private property and put down insurrections.
Good luck with that once automation leads to 50% unemployment and that number is growing every day. Eventually your beloved "taxpayers" would be so outnumbered that winding up with their heads on pikes would be inevitable.
>You'd be surprised how quickly humans will pick up a book and learn a new trade when starvation stares them in the face.
And when more and more trades are rendered obsolete and those who learned them are left destitute with next to no real options available thanks to a shrinking number of available jobs going to a shrinking number of qualified people?
Basic guaranteed income is the future. Deal with it.
>>76842781
Yeah if you want unlimited illegal immigration go for it with other peoples money.
>>76848624
Shut up idiot. Human beings can totally be wothless. Actually rustled. Mad/10
>Basic income is the future
of slavery
If you think u.b.i means playing vidya without a care all day you might be stupid
I'm afraid it is impossible, for taxation reasons.
Only an idiot thinks the state can make free money out of nothing and pay its citizen a basic income without heavily taxate the shit out of people themselves, especially businesses, to the point of forcing them to raise their prices.
>what's the matter? raise the basic income too!
Welcome to Zimbabwe.
>>76848624
No anon you're the retard, humans do have value and some are more valuable than other. Capitalism has nothing to do with it.
what people don't get about basic income is that the future is going to look very, very different
automation is going to take 85% of all jobs in the coming centuries
if 85% of people have no income, there will be famine, there will be revolt
basic income is the solution to a problem that doesn't exist yet, but is going to be a reality before too long
implemented correctly, it will keep the masses fed while keeping those that are driven to do more wealthy
it will spur along advances in the arts and sciences
implemented incorrectly? too early? too late? it ain't gon do shit
I'm for it because I don't want to work but where is the money supposed to come from? I guess "artists" and people like Elon Musk will still work but no way people would bother cleaning toilets, grow food or perform other menial work.
I'm sure they thought it through though.
>>76848624
A proper reply:
remember when automation forced the ammount of people on farms down to less than 10% of what it historically was? Mkay, and what happened with that? People simply stopped farming and found new ways to add value to other people's lives, thus creating new jobs. It's almost like (gasp) innovation causes an improvement in the standard of living or something. Basically, kill yourself you lazy piece of shit. There will always be more things to do.
Yeah, it could work for awhile, if you kill off half the population and take the rich into oblivion. Then when the rich are as broke as those lucky enough to survive the initial purge, everyone will be wishing such a dumb ass idea never entered anyone's head.
While it might not be a universal truth of humanity, in America income is definitely the primary driving force for occupation. Social obligation, community outreach, and intellectual and artistic integrity have never been our strong suit (owing in part to our diverse and contentious origin) and the pioneering spirit has no modern applications, so now it's all about social mobility and people are pretty cynical about THAT these days.
>>76849130
>it will spur along advances in the arts and sciences
Good joke, machine will do art and science too eck some are already doing it and they're better than most "modern" artist
>>76848624
>There is no such thing as a "low worth" human being. The problem with capitalism is it makes this kind of thinking possible.
Easy. 5th generation welfare recipient with a net deficit contribution to society is a low/negative worth human economically. If you disagree with this there's no point to even continue the discussion.
>Well we'd better figure out how, because your social Darwinist alternative is unacceptable. Institute single-child policies if we have to.
One child policy may be a reasonable compromise if it's attached as a prerequisite when receiving welfare. As this wouldn't punish those who are self sufficient and choose to have a larger family.
>Guaranteed basic income is literally the only moral option.
It's slavery. Slavery is immoral. The unproductive become the plantation owners and the productive become the laborers. You will eventually have to institute employment mandates when high IQ individuals choose to stop working.
As far as your other points.. start phasing out welfare today and the unproductive simply won't have the resources to increase their population and turn the country into mad max.
>>76849130
as an addendum, basic income solves a lot of the problems with leftist thinking: bungling bureaucracy
all opportunities to waste the collected money are in the hands of the end user, not lost in the ether of incompetent or corrupt government operations
>>76844288
>giving people free money just for existing will result in people choosing to have less kids
TOP KEK
>>76844842
why is the picture black and white now
>>76849130
85% of jobs now didnt exist centuries ago. as jobs are automated away new ones become possible. Make yourself useful instead of bitching about low skill labor that's frankly below human beings, being automated away. This will give people time and energy to work towards more important goals.
>>76849477
You've found a nugget of undigested corn in a truck load of communist shit.
Basic Income would probably be a much cleaner, more streamlined way to disperse monies to the populace than Welfare programs
Which is why niggers and beaners will fight it. How to squeeze the dole for every last jewbuck is, perhaps, the one thing that they DO meticulously study and learn.
They don't want whitey to be gettin no privileges. Who gonna pay 4 muh babbies if u mess with muh programs? WE NEED MO MONEY FO DEM PROGRAMS!
>>76844288
>It's best for all, that's all that matters.
for about 5 years until no one can afford the taxes required to sustain it
so it's best for all if you consider 300 million people living in poverty to be what matters
>>76844288
You don't realize how childish you sound, do you?
Let me guess, you don't work for a living and you mooch off your upper middle class parents.
>>76849183
this is far more than just agriculture or industry
this is everything
when ubi rolls around, people will still find ways to improve standard of living and innovate, many people are innately driven
ubi will be the bare minimum people need to survive; to live in luxury, people still have to work
>kys you lazy shit
i'd guess i work harder and have more success than you, since i'm in a technical field though i have the opportunity to see what's coming and draw the logical conclusion
*rubs hands*
>>76848624
> no such thing as a "low worth" human being.
If you can't be practically productive to your community (producing tangible things like food, shelter, money, etc.), then you're worthless. Anon, are you serious? Please be joking.
>>76843252
>Is it sustainable, knowing that population grows exponentially?
does it grow exponentially, is that why white countries are doing so well?
I really wonder wtf gets posted here sometimes
>>76849568
I think you underestimate how powerful computing will be in the near future
What is the highest level job you think can be automated? It's only 2016 and there are already few jobs humans can do better than machines. It's mostly a matter of cost which will be solved in time
>>76849901
Functional autist thinking the world is a math equation they can solve. The problem is that human aren't 1+1=2.
>>76844073
Resources aren't free.
>>76850079
pretty much, at least it isn't like /sci/ where idiots think that game theory results in great predictions
>>76850039
Let's be honest all job can be automated, the problem come from processing power and having a program to do it.
>>76843397
>Punish the hardworking
Whatever money you make is added to it, it doesn't punish anybody, but rather provides an incentive to work harder. Has the added benefit of putting a lot of useless government bureaucrats out of work
>>76849859
if the "logical conclusion" is that every man is born into servitude so that the unwilling or unable can be provided for, then I want no part of your dysgenic r-selective petri dish,
human beings are honed against the whetstone of their circumstances. obstacles are necessary to become our true selves. remove these obstacles in the name of "justice", and you will see sloppy puddles of apathy where great men once stood.
>>76849901
When the state starts providing freebies based on family size, it will. This is the problem with a basic living stipend and welfare in general.
Do you set a flat rate or do you ensure those with children have enough to provide for themselves and their children. If your answer is not flat rate, population will boom and the system will collapse faster than it would at a flat rate.
>>76850345
Do you believe these problems will not be solved in the first world within the next 200 years? I don't. Processing power is still doubling every six months. And I believe that if we do not have something prepared to deal with the HUGE wave of unemployment that will follow in the wake of mass automation, there will be unrest on a scale we haven't seen in millennia
I think that some jobs will still need to be run by humans, while others will live on in the setting of luxury
For example, a live service restaurant will be an absurd thing in a few hundred years
>>76850626
If birth rates do not drop on their own (which, statistically speaking is unlikely-- the further a country moves into modernization, the lower the birth rate is), a birth rate will need to be enforced. This is a given.
>>76850560
>if the "logical conclusion" is that every man is born into servitude so that the unwilling or unable can be provided for, then I want no part of your dysgenic r-selective petri dish,
You miscalculate on a few points.
Your first mistake is that many will be born into servitude; realistically, the overwhelming majority will be born into uselessness. Bluntly, there won't be enough work for people to do. Not even close.
Next, you presume that those that work will be in "servitude". The economic effects of automation and ubi are profound. Costs for basic necessities, especially food, will plummet as technology advances and birth rates lower. Those that choose to work will be in the minority, meaning their money goes further than ever before. Finally, and this is in my own personal vision of universal basic income, the government will be a shell of what it is now, with all current welfare programs removed
>>76850560
The obstacles of modern life are all man-made. There's nothing selective about navigating bureaucracy, and being completely dependent on the infrastructure of your civilization (which we're all slaves to now due to the global exploitation of all known frontiers.) It's absurd and has nothing to do with the struggles we evolved to cope with.
>>76850683
>I think that some jobs will still need to be run by humans, while others will live on in the setting of luxury
The only job run by human will be political one, if governments even exist by then. Because none of that modern nobility will willingly rule themselves out of power. Basic income would still not work unless the government become the one selling everything so money is assured to come back home to be redistributed.
>>76844288
>When we stop worrying about survival, we can turn to education and stop having so many children.
fine!, when will muhammad stop breeding more ISIS rapist?
>>76851075
I know this, you know this, but I want to see what the "morally" superior basic income advocate will say.
>>76844288
>It's best for all, that's all that matters.
No, it's not.
>When we stop worrying about survival, we can turn to education and stop having so many children.
Third worlders beg to differ.
>Either countries will keep borders closed until effects are known or, more realistically, it will be implemented worldwide.
As long as all 7 billion people agree.
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>>76842781
Listen, /pol/.
Whatever your political views are, UBI is inevitably the only solution.
Machines are going to take most jobs.
Soon self-driving cars will replace the thousands of truck and taxi drivers and that will make this problem evident, because it's going to be fast and it's going to be effective at taking their jobs.
McDonalds and other FF chains are eliminating those minimum wage jobs by using electronic kiosks (there's a Breitbart article on that).
Retail is losing to Amazon, which uses less and less personnel for each customer served.
White collar jobs are mostly data entry, which is easy to automate with modern software.
Customer support is also closer than ever to automation, thanks to modern bot technology (remember Tay? It's just the beginning).
Management will ironically also provide less jobs, because if there are less people working you need less managers overall.
No job is safe, except engineering, programming and related ones maybe.
Eventually MOST people of working age will not find a job because those jobs do NOT EXIST.
It's already happening.
Those jobs will never come back.
The only solution is to give them money, or the economy will stagnate and millions will die - if they do not revolt and kill all at least moderately rich people (including myself).
Consider these facts about UBI:
-Eliminates all Social Security/Welfare programs in favor of FREE MARKET
-It is equal (EVERYONE receives the same amount of money)
-The money flows right back into the free market, not into the government
-Smaller government
-You decide how your money is spent, instead of how Welfare programs work
-Pays will increase since now anyone can just decide not to work if they are not happy with it
-No need for "minimum wage" BS
-NO "Poverty Trap" where Welfare encourages people not to work or they'll lose benefits, UBI does not vary ever.
-In the US population is not increasing exponentially and lots of black people who have many children do it for Welfare
>>76851646
>Third worlders beg to differ.
Third worlders are the example of why you are wrong.
They are poor and uneducated. When the US/Europe was more poor and uneducated we were like that too.
Now we are not.
>>76851646
>>Either countries will keep borders closed until effects are known or, more realistically, it will be implemented worldwide.
>As long as all 7 billion people agree.
Ever heard of Trump?
I heard he's gonna build a wall
>>76842781
>basic income
>turning everyone into a nigger welfare leech
>no incentive to try harder or better yourself
Just fucking go away you filthy kike parasite
>>76851689
This desu, reminder that healthcare, politics and engineering are the only recession-proof sectors
>>76850154
Yes they are. That's why people are rich and others are poor. The rich exploit the fact that resources are free, and then charge people for distribution. It's the basis of capitalism.
>>76843252
link?
>>76842781
Money won't be needed under communism. Basic income is just a capitalist stop gap.
>muh automation
>muh post-scarcity
When it happens, call us. Until then, get a job.
>>76851896
That's funny. And what do you do for a living that's so important?
>>76852145
If this is the case, why haven't you picked up some free resources and started a business selling them?
>>76851896
>work or starve, says the civilization jew
>the forest provides, but in my insight i have cut it down
A choiceless choice.
>>76852187
>post-scarcity
While post-scarcity is a nice utopia, the day it happens is the day humanity die or become so different it won't be humanity anymore.
>>76844211
Brass and lead are good metals to have during economic turmoil.
>>76852324
Because the most important resource is consciousness, and you can't sell that. I'm an academic so in a way, I exploit this resource and take advantage of it as much as I can. I care less about material things. Knowledge is where it's at
>>76852187
Most jobs under capitalism are pointless, involve too long working hours and pay too little. And capitalism won't let full automation happen, because it would undermine the system of wage labour and spending. We could easily have a 25 hour week if we automated as much as possible, got rid of useless jobs (like advertising) and trained everyone for useful jobs.
>>76852469
>I'm an academic
Yeah, you don't say.
>>76842781
If the US implemented it, I would move to a tax haven honestly
>>76851689
This guy gets it.
In the US, we already have Social Security for the elderly. Yet people still save for retirement.
This is simply moving SoSec to cover the whole 18+ populace.
When everyone gets a check,
proving yourself better than others is the incentive to work.
It's cheaper than prisons and bureaucratic welfare, which is what we currently waste time and money on.
People often forget that the first $10 in the hands of a poor man
becomes $100 of economic activity as it travels from hand to hand.
We already have roads for all to drive one
Libraries for all to read
K-12 for all to attend
A small check for all to spend is just another part of the infrastructure.
>>76852187
>get a job
You or your company hiring?
>>76844288
>or, more realistically, it will be implemented worldwide.
7 billion people are going to get at least $30,000 every year? Do your liberal indoctrination institutes teach this as being a sustainable economic model?
>>76842781
Basic income is definitely left
You image is fucking stupid
>>76844288
>When we stop worrying about survival, we can turn to education
How did no one gather this was bait? No human being can deny that the first and foremost objective in life is survival...
Right? That our policy has to first enable us to survive? That nothing can come before it otherwise there's quite literally no point? If something is unsustainable then it does not actually help us survive.
Please tell me this is bait.
>>76842781
>Free money
I'll make sure I sweat more on your burgers.
>>76852469
>>76852145
So the rich exploit free resources (consciousness) and charge people for distribution? You're making no sense my tomodachi. If consciousness is so valuable then why aren't we all rich?
Reminder that Nixon tried to implement this before.
>>76842781
>Free Money
It's funny how you think that there can be "free" things.
>Basic income is the future.
Do you even know how much basic income would cost the USA every year?
I originally thought it was convincing, but now that all the liberal fucksticks are aboard, it is apparent to me that I have made a mistake and there is something VERY wrong with basic income.
>>76842781
FORWARD
>>76842781
You can redistribute wealth through capitalism or socialism.
The right would generally believe wealth should be redistributed through capitalism.
>Corporations provide jobs and income so they should be supported and subsidized.
The left would generally believe wealth should be redistributed through socialism.
>Lower-income people are the consumer base that should be supported and subsidized.
Both aren't necessarily wrong but going to either extreme is foolish and unsustainable. Right now the cards are really stacked towards capitalism. We need to go back to creating a useful middle-class so corporations have an excuse to not hoard money and ship it offshore.
Getting that will likely come from training all this unemployed NEET fucks.
...compromise, faggots.
>>76851896
>>no incentive to try harder or better yourself
Except there is.
Wage-slaving is the death of all initiative.
If they do not have to work, many people will try starting a business or fulfilling their ambitions.
The more work becomes something people do extra, as opposed to something they are forced to do, the higher the compensation for doing that will be.
The hard-working and moderately talented may even become part of a new elite.
>>76852187
>>muh automation
It is already happening. I explained it here >>76851689
Worker efficiency has increased enormously and consistently since the 20th century began.
Don't you see the massive unemployment?
Going against UBI will only result in more welfare, more government.
UBI is the only capitalist, non-socialist solution to this issue.
>>76852524
>Most jobs under capitalism are pointless
They are not, and the reason they haven't been automated is either government regulation (in finance especially) or that the technology wasn't quite at that level.
But that's changing. With minimum wage increasing companies are fleeing employment in general (are Berniefags happy now?)
where do the taxes come from to pay for this when everyone if paid basic income.
>>76852674
>If something is unsustainable
You mean like pic related.
>>76842781
>Basic income is the future.
Yeah, maybe in a thousand years or so
>>76852861
he also tried to implement Obamacare
Finally, I will be able to support my alcohol and opiate addiction on minimum wage. What a time to be alive.
>>76853051
This is a meme, prices will adjust unless the government implements price controls, in which case there WILL be shortages.
KILL ALL COMMIES!
>>76842781
>Hurr we will have complete automation """soon""" so I deserve a free liveable wage right now durr
Literally the only argument in favour of basic income in the present.
>>76853042
>where do the taxes come from to pay for this when everyone if paid basic income.
The money gets back to businesses anyway.
Poor people tend to spend all what they have more easily.
Companies will have more money due to not having to pay employees and keeping prices as high as they were before.
>>76851689
.
>Machines are going to take most jobs.
Not until the market can bear the loss of consumers. Sure you will have a company here and there that does it, until welfare and unemployment can no longer bear the burden. Then as sales slow, less and less business will risk the loss of even more consumers. They will need to wait until new opportunities open up and more consumers are created. IT WILL become cheaper to hire an actual person than paying the amount of tax that would be required for basic income.
>Eliminates all Social Security/Welfare programs in favor of FREE MARKET
Hahaha, thats only because it will be the "be all and end all" of welfare programs. It will not be a free market, because what will follow will be price fixing along with higher taxes on corporations and restrictions on what that living stipend can purchase.
>Smaller government???????
Really? You are talking about a program which entails reliance on government just to survive. They will now be able to tell you what you can and cannot buy, and where you can buy it. Corporations will be told what they can charge for what ever products they provide and where to provide it. This is how government works, or did you miss the whole ACA marketplace bullshit?
How will pay increase if the supply of labor vastly outnumbers jobs available?
>>76844288
>Feeding people won't increase population
t. Africa planner
>>76853128
Not exactly.
Nixon's plan was true universal/single payer healthcare.
He was also pro green energy.
Though back then nuclear was the only real green choice that was 100% practical. (It's still the best choice even now) And by the end of his presidency he was pushing it extremely hard.
Some people think Nuclear isn't green...
All those lefties hating on Richard when he was in fact the last true liberal prez.
>>76852859
Because people are fucking ignorant, materialistic, very narcissistic and too deeply involved with mundane crap to care to learn how to take full advantage of their own consciousness. Think about it. How highly is free thinking valued in our job culture? You aren't "allowed" to be a free thinker if it's not what you're getting paid for. Open your mind to instructions, learn how to do your job, and then do your job. That's it.
After another stressful day of work, you leave and look for ways to relieve your stress until you do it all again the next day. People are living like coorporate sheep.
>>76853232
Does it have to happen now?
Not necessarily.
But it will eventually happen, and the problems it solves are already a reality.
>subsidize existing but not working
>Only helps poor and unskilled people
>Is an expense for anyone with skills and income
>Over time people with skills and income leave for better areas
>Until it's mostly leeches and people too entrenched to leave
>All the while taxes go higher to pay for the offset of fewer producers and more leeches
That is the cycle. You see this happen all of the time with Real Estate Tax
>>76853312
>They will now be able to tell you what you can and cannot buy, and where you can buy it.
Except they won't. That's not UBI at all.
UBI is not food stamps.
>>76853182
The experience of the Soviet Union prove it.
Fix wages and price, the capability to find the good become the new money.
>>76852469
So you're an unskilled bullshitter. I bet you think you'll be inner party when the Big Brother Government takes over, right? Because you're soooo smart.
Mincome worked really well in the experiments in the 70s, but that was because it was in a small remote town in manitoba AND because that town was basically homogeneous. I think on a larger scale, in a place like oh say Toronto basic income would be a death sentence.
>>76853337
Just looked up again.
Nixon was already pro solar energy back then.
Though he saw it as for the 21st century.
Form 1980: "Sometime in the 21st century, nuclear, solar, & geothermal may be sufficiently developed to meet the world's energy needs. But for now we live in an age of oil."
>>76853291
what i'm saying is there will be no rich guy to tax to pay for this if every one is paid the same.
>>76853614
Project Independence: replace oil with nuclear & renewables
I was the first president to propose a wide-ranging energy program. I did so nearly a decade ago, in 1971. In my last State of the Union address, in January 1974, I described energy as our number-one priority.
The goal of my energy policy--which I named Project Independence--was in the long run, to stimulate the production of energy from renewable sources such as nuclear power, and, in the short run, to cut back our dependency on unreliable foreign suppliers of oil. The United States is uniquely qualified to do these things. Ill-considered government policies, however, have had the opposite effect; they have actually increased our dependence on foreign oil.
Nixon
>>76853513
I guess cognitive neuroscience and holistic psychology equals bullshit then. You seem bright. How's the life of a grunt?
>>76853374
Okay, if we are arguing about science fiction, we can have a discussion. In Transmetropolitan they have "makers" to recombine basic elements into goods and it seriously reduce the quantity of work needed by society.
Most basic income nigger just want a free liveable wage now, sorry if I mistaken you for one.
>>76842781
>the US is in such crippling debt that it would cost around 60 grand per citizen to bail out
>basic income is possible
Pick one.
>>76853463
Where does the UBI come from? Who mandates how much and where/if/when it gets distributed? Who makes sure it's actually distributed? Who punishes those who do not distribute the UBI?
Don't bother answering, I'll do it for you: GOVERNMENT.
>>76843397
our entire economic platform is based on this principle
>>76853312
>IT WILL become cheaper to hire an actual person
Ever heard of minimum wage?
Because it's not going away
>>76853681
The money and wealth has existed for a long time. Enough to make it work. The problem is figuring how to distribute the money and wealth equally. It hasn't happened yet because humans are greedy and self centered.
>>76848725
>that picture
economics isn't zero sum friend
>>76853846
They decide how much is given , but it's the same for each citizen.
That's the principle.
>>76842781
basic income absolutely is left
>>76853846
Who is the government? It could be you.
>>76853342
Yeah. Because when someone pays you to do something, what you should really be doing is wasting everyone's time with your bullshit.
But that's sooooo slavery like woah!
>>76853984
>Italians in charge of bureaucracy
>>76853958
>living on a finite planet where every inch of productive soil is owned by somebody
>not zero sum
What.
>>76854082
Then go buy some productive soil of your own.
Basic Income or as I call it "The final solution to the wagecuck question"
>>76854012
Probably shouldn't be wasting time on shit tier jobs in the first place. An automated robot could replace half of the workforce in the world easily. Mindless repition is how too many jobs work out
>>76853337
Yeah he also created the Environmental protection agency, ended conscription, came to a suitable solution to the Vietnam war started by JFK/LBJ The south/north divide would of turned Vitenam into a norh/south Korea situation but dem congress didn't fund it.
I'm a big fan of him also.
>>76853958
>We can consume more wealth than we produce
How does that work?
>>76854181
Because that's the most efficient way to mass produce shit.
>>76842781
Do you have any idea what will happen to food prices? You do know USA is importing food right? Imagine eating out in most expensive restaurant in town 3 time a day where machine serve you Turk shit in bread, because this is what you are advocating.
>>76854181
So, where are all the garbage-picking robots and why does the greedy capitalist are still paying people to do the job?
>>76853909
Basic income is greedy and selfish
>>76852524
>Most jobs under capitalism are pointless
Yes, business owners love throwing money down the drain and wasting it on jobs that serve no point.
I just don't understand this kind of thinking. No private sector job is pointless, the owner is obviously paying a person a salary because he believes that person brings at least that much value to the business. Otherwise they wouldn't be paying them.
>>76854273
He also has the best campaign slogan of all time.
we get plenty of people desperate to come to america without incentivizing it further by offering them free money
>>76854376
then prices will rise to reflect scarcity
get your resources now
>>76854273
>Everyone is white
>President is in the middle of a crowd with probably just one or two bodyguard and nobody freak out
What went so wrong
>>76854389
Mass production creates a stupid amount of waste though. Food is a good example. Millions starve while millions are fat, and trillions of tons of food gets wasted every year. Greed is a problem, and letting ourselves be too self centered is a huge problem.
>>76844288
>UH GUYS, A PROFESSIONAL PUBLICATION WRITTEN BY EXPERTS IS GARBAGE BECAUSE IT DISAGREES WITH ME, A SHITPOSTER ON 4CHAN'S /POL/ BOARD
>>76854527
Now more than ever
Nixon, Ford, Rockefeller were the last type of Republicans I'd enthusiastically vote for.
Are you from the us?
>>76842781
just stop all the unnecessary wars and global posturing the us of a so loves to do and you'll magically find the money
>>76842781
basic income is marxist bullshit
>>76842781
>i'd guess i work harder and have more success than you, since i'm in a technical field though i have the opportunity to see what's coming and draw the logical conclusion
Im sure youre so much better than him and theres no way that anything he says can be valid.
>>76854792
marx never said shit about basic income
>>76854499
Not really. It's equality.
>>76854483
Obviously not LITERALLY EVERY JOB is mindless repetition and can be done by automated robots. Life isn't black and white. Are you autistic?
>>76844288
>When we stop worrying about survival, we can turn to education and stop having so many children.
Tell that to the mudslimes that leftist propagators of UBI also support.
Idealist pls go
>>76854709
Mass production is the reason idiots can even think about implementing universal basic income. The reason why everyone can afford a car. It's a modern necessity until someone invent matter replicators.
>>76854748
>Rockefeller
Fucking kys
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/11/hipsters_on_food_stamps_part_2.html
>all those monies have different names and different "requirements" they are all exactly the same thing: paying people who are off the grid, whether by choice or circumstance, indefinitely. i.e. Living Wages.
>However, they can never be called that. [...] they have to have these fake reasons to give taxpayers a little emotional distance, deniability, otherwise they'd go John Galt
>>76854082
>>76854145
Thomas Paine argued that since some were born into land owning families and some were not, the government should give everyone 15lbs sterling on their 21st birthday.
>>76854389
more efficient to use robots.
>>76854748
Not from the US but the Rockefeller Republicans always interested me.
They always seemed more pragmatic than idealistic and just very reasonable.
Especially Nixon is very interesting once you dig deeper.
>>76847253
>It's brutal, but the 50% with low worth will adapt, educate, or die
*posted from mother's basement*
>>76854943
>Obviously not LITERALLY EVERY JOB is mindless repetition and can be done by automated robots
Ho noes! Do you understand we will never get a free wage because of that? If we want a job to be done by humans, we cannot give all humans a free wage, because then, they won't go to work. All we can do is to have two classes of people: the one who get the easy life and the workers. By a strange coincidence, it is exactly how communism was done: members of the party get everything first and the pleb can wait in line.
>>76842781
isn't this the inevitable path when AI replaces most jobs except for those held by people with 95 percentile IQ?
Fucking commies have literally no basis in reality any more. This isnt fucking Star Trek you simple child. Nothing is free. Wealth isnt free. Life isnt free. Providing for everyone isnt possible. We all cant get along. We all cant live on the dole. You cant sit on your ass forever and leech off of others.
Wake the fuck up my retarded red friend. This isnt how reality works. This is a childish attempt at trying to get rid of being responsible for everything, including providing for ones own self. This isnt compassion, this is greed, lazy and naive greed, and youre a disgusting person to try to push this.
>>76855240
Oh it is, but until then you're stuck with people at the helm. Either to make those robots or the piece for them.
your not aware that Forward is a Stalinist/leftist slogan.
>>76854943
your not getting paid for effort, or hard work.
>>76855028
What was wrong with him?
>>76855278
Yeah I agree.
Nixon is the most interesting President to learn about.
what are your opinions on ronald reagan curious to see if they match mine.
>Mankind once did battle with one another in honorable close quarters combat.
>When he did not fight he farmed and as such he knew the value of work for each drop of sweat poured into the Earth brought forth his food.
>Even in this "Primitive" state Man knew of the love of family, the bonds of brotherhood, and the joys of making pointless merry.
>When he found himself at night facing the void that is existence he turned to his God who goes by many names.
>Even if his faith was misplaced it did not matter for he could be satisfied all his days till death freed him from his toils.
>Now Man with his great logic and knowledge of the natural laws has made it where he need not struggle as hard as he use to.
>And what does he have to show for it? Arguing whether or not one deserves to be compensated for the ill fate of being born.
>Living as Cronus in fear of his Son imbued with the power of lighting who will make him obsolete.
>We grew to hate the harvest, the sound and sight of steel meeting steel and blood mudding the Earth, and prostrating ourselves to God.
>We yearned for more, to move above our station.
>We wished to be as God and we were granted this wish.
>Now we must make choose what is good and evil, we must decide the fate that shall befall Man.
>And there is no one we can turn to when we fear we are making mistakes, no one to soothe us when we are faced with the eternal dark.
Our hubris has cost us Grace.
>>76853958
>>76855725
its a basic law of economics
>>76855602
Define "hard work". It's not all about manual labor. Critical thinking is arguably more valuable
Dressing up legalized theft with flowery propaganda doesn't make it not theft.
>>76842781
It just got BTFO in Switzerland so it's probably not going to ever happen.
>>76852459
Water, fuel, hygiene/medical supplies, then brass and lead then maybe gold.
>>76854616
Then consumption will fall and meet production. Not a null sum indeed.
>>76842781
If we want to automate everything we wouldn't have much choice.
>>76855819
Delete your account.
>>76844842
>prematurely badling
DELET THIS
>>76855887
>Not a null sum indeed.
exactly
Why stop there?
How about basic housing, basic clothing, basic food, basic transportation, basic vagina?
>>76854513
>no private sector job is pointless
"Welcome to Walmart"
How is this not straight up communism?
>>76855955
So you have no argument. Nice.
>>76854709
>Greed is a problem
It isn't.
Greed us the greatest of human sentiments and the driver of free enterprise.
The luxuries you experience everyday and the progress of humanity wouldn't have happened without it.
It's because of "academics" like you that people mistrust intellectuals.
You pretend to be educated but you are ignorant of the world around you.
>>76854709
>Mass production creates a stupid amount of waste though.
>Food is wasted
Mass production is necessary and it drives the cost of food down. Not only is there no practical alternative, but if you had studied history you would know that the industrial revolution saved millions of lives and that thanks to it less people died of famine and diseases.
Mass production was a lifesaver.
The food that is "wasted" is food that would have never been produced instead.
"Third world countries" are countries that have not reached our stage of development yet.
If they had our industrial apparatus their conditions would be better.
Look at china.
It used to be a 3rd world country, their workers were paid 4$ a month in the 70s to cut steel 12 hours a day.
Now it's 4$ a day for jobs that are terrible to our standards, but it's much better than it used to be. In the last 10 years, their wages have become 6x higher.
This is thanks to the "greed" of the "evil" corporations.
It has benefitted them.
Meanwhile collectivism always kills people and destroys economies.
In the real world collectivism doesn't work because greed always drives humans, and capitalism uses it for the best of everyone, while communism tries to suppress it (it can't).
Reality has proven capitalism right again and again.
It's just that you communists are too delusional, and live in a fantasy world.
>>76844842
>Is it morally right to pay someone to exist?
This question is based on the assumption that the current system is moral in the first place. It's clearly not and was not meant to be.
>>76856084
For over 100 years, the left hasn't had anything to offer other than communism, they just change the words every so often.
>>76856219
Exactly. They'll call it "socialism", "democratic socialism", "left libertarianism", but it's all the same garbage.
>>76855602
I think was Reagan was a puppet and made a lot of things worse.
Cut taxes only to increase taxes on the middle class afterwards.
Social security tax is recessive which is another big no in my eyes
He also managed to make the tax code so incredibly complicated that it took years to figure it out.
Reintroducing mandatory sentencing for marijuana fixed nothing and cost a lot
Reagan doctrine just further expanded the industrial military complex.
He did all of that in the name of the "free" market when in fact he just made it harder for the common man.
>>76855858
The mountain jews are some of the wealthiest people on the planet, impeccably defended, making money on everyone else's money. They don't need the leg up.
>>76856048
Provides a service to the elderly and retired by giving them a little extra money to supplement their income, greeters don't just say hello to customers they provide some customer service (direct them to the proper area for returns for example), they provide extra eyes at the entrance/exits of the building (more likely to notice shoplifting or other funny business and notify management), etc.
Greeters are a win-win for everyone really both the greeters and Walmart.
Next.
ha no.
I'm almost done paying off my house. I think if I could have "basic income", I would sell my house, move to a cheaper area and simply live off that basic income and literally never work again.
I assume that once I had the money to own my own house (no house payment anymore), basic income would handle upkeep of car and house and living expenses and I could cruise through.
Problem is I think a lot of people would find a way to do this and there wouldn't be enough actual workers to pay for it, even if we jacked the tax rate to 50%.
Who would really get fucked are actually younger generations, that didn't get the benefit I had of many years of low tax rate that let me build up wealth.
>>76856000
S(production)-S(^consumption)=Delta(stock)
Non null sum.
S(production)-S(^consumption)-Delta(stock)=0
Null sum.
Just write it the right way and it does have a null sum.
>>76856181
Capitalism doesn't work for everyone, not that you care because you're a pretentious privileged entitled self centered human. Any system which operates from a in-crowd out-crowd basis is inevitably going to be problematic. The bigger the system, the larger the problems.
>no alternative
So is thinking for yourself out of the question then?
>What is farming
>What is gardening
>What is living your own life and not the life someone sells to you incrementally
>>76856552
>making your grandparents stand on their feet all day to fill the walton's coffers
Individualism is a scourge.
>>76856662
>I would simply live off that basic income and literally never work again.
You too?
>>76856662
Most basic income proposals are in fact just negative income tax.
So you'll still have to work.
>>76856813
>privileged
>problematic
I wonder who could be behind this post.
>>76856449
Yeah I liked his philosophy but if you look at what he did he actually didn't make government smaller. I actually think he destroyed the 70's style of GOP as well by making religion especially abortion a huge issue, ford and bush 41 for example had to adopt it as par of their platform otherwise they wouldn't get the support they needed.
I think nowadays millennials, who will soon become the largest voting block are turned off more about religion than immigration.
>>76856944
>negative income tax
So, Sorros get more than a carpenter?
>>76857009
Someone who cares about reality beyond their ego. Not everyone is as self centered and ignorant as you want them to be.
>>76844842
>This completely devalues work.
It gives it more value, my fellow pizzaiolo, because it means it is a choice, as opposed to something you are forced to do.
>It's brutal, but the 50% with low worth will adapt, educate, or die. We can not sustain a world where where the productive pay the unproductive to have babies and exist.
It will be more than 50% and they will just revolt and bring chaos if you do not do that.
You cannot magically keep 60% of people dying.
>There is no moral alternative.
Killing innocent people is not moral at all. Also there is no such thing as absolute moral values.
You are just a self-righteous and delusional moron.
>Arm the tax payers, train them, I don't care. Enforce the laws of private property and put down insurrections.
This will not ever work. It hasn't in the past, and even if the 60% can't defeat you, this will only cause chaos
>You'd be surprised how quickly humans will pick up a book and learn a new trade when starvation stares them in the face.
There won't be enough jobs for most people. There is no "trade" to pickup because there is literally no more demand for jobs.
>Nature follows the path of least resistance. Give people the capability of sitting on their couch and surviving, they'll take it.
That's what they should do. There are no jobs for them. There is nothing they can contribute anyway.
>>76848351
UBI is communism. It doesn't work. When will you faggots learn?
>>76857162
Not an argument.
>>76856813
>Any system which operates from a in-crowd out-crowd basis is inevitably going to be problematic.
Holy shit, you really are an r-strategist
Time to get the rope
>>76856829
Why aren't you taking care of them instead if the idea of them putting in an honest day's work for a paycheck is so obscene to you?
>>76857227
>>76857226
Not an argument.
>>76857131
There are tax brackets, you know.
Friedman explaining negative income tax
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtpgkX588nM
You can also just look at wiki.
>>76842781
Dream on, neets.
>>76848624
>The problem with capitalism
There is no problem with capitalism, take your rant elsewhere.
>>76842781
wrong. a WW3 is the solution world leaders will opt for to cull the population so that everything is destroyed by the poor
you are not getting neet bucks just because there are to many that will be unemployed
>>76842781
Yeah. The future. Not the present.
When we have enough robots to build every structure, run every restaurant, fight every war, and so on, we can talk about basic income.
>>76857170
>UBI is communism
It's not.
UBI is a capitalistic solution.
It respects the free market and replaces welfare and socialism.
>>76857162
>as you want them to be.
You know me a lot apparently. The reality you care about, are you sure it is not just a fantasy where everything is simpler, like me wanting other people to be ignorant just because I disagree with you?
In the real reality, you don't know me. At all.
>>76856813
>muh self sufficiency
Fuck specialization, I'll do everything myself xDDDDD
Some self sufficiency is alright but a lot of it just kills jobs and is a waste of time. On the level of economies, self-sufficiency has proven to do more harm than good in emerging economies.
>What is living your own life and not the life someone sells to you incrementally
I will gladly buy a computer and internet if the alternative is not having them. Capitalism promotes technological advancement and you are not forced to buy the things they sell you, that's up to you.
>>76857342
Why is an in-crowd, out-crowd system problematic? Aren't we fundamentally a tribal species?
>>76856662
>Problem is I think a lot of people would find a way to do this and there wouldn't be enough actual workers to pay for it, even if we jacked the tax rate to 50%.
That is not going to happen because there won't be enough work in the first place.
>>76856813
Want to know the big secret? It's not about what works for everyone. It's about what works for those people who contribute to society. And you can trust in this as sure as you can trust that the sun will set; if democracy becomes a liability because too many of you crybabies are whining for free shit, it'll get changed to something else that makes it easier to keep your grubby hands out of the cookie jar.
Now fuck off.
>>76857342
>>76857636
We are, but r-strategists don't see it that way.
http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/the-theory/rk-selection-theory/
Unfortunately there are way too many people in our society like this faggot, that's why civilization is crumbling.
>>76850462
how do you think the lazy get their money?
by thin air?
Either people who make actual money gets taxed or they print a ton of money which would cause hyper inflation
>>76856813
>>no alternative
>So is thinking for yourself out of the question then?
>>What is farming
>>What is gardening
>>What is living your own life and not the life someone sells to you incrementally
Not sustainable. There isn't enough farmland for everyone to do so.
Only first-world hipsters with rich parents like you could afford it. Certainly not poor people in the US.
Again, you are a pretentious, delusional and ignorant pseudo-intellectual.
The only reason we can make so much food is that massive farms use every possible technique to maximize efficiency.
You won't be able to do that on your own.
Also:
We need more than food. If everyone is self-sufficient, they will need to spend all their time farming.
What you are suggesting is a regression to the feudal age.
>>76842781
I see Barney Sandals has taken to posting on /pol/
>>76843397
Hardworkers still win because they will take advantage of the lazy, all that free money isn't staying in the pockets of the poor.
>>76858260
>I see Barney Sandals has taken to posting on /pol/
Crazy Bernie has never proposed this.
He is stuck in socialism, which is a 19th century blunder.
>>76857620
I know you assume many things which you can't confirm. I know that from what's evident and obvious from your post.
>>76857624
I would have no issue buying a computer while simultaneously being self sustaining for survival needs. Farm life is best life. I wish everyone understood this.
>>76857636
We are in the late-middle of a transition from tribal to global. We can't afford to stick to what we're once good ideas and never change from them. Any 'ism' has its positives and negatives. It would be smart to figure a new system with as many universal positives and the least amount of negatives as possible.
I think the best thing to do would be to restrict voting to people who either 1.) work full time, or 2.) are combat veterans.
That would eliminate most of the democratic party's voting base, and would prevent lazy degenerates from trying to get free shit out of the system.
Everybody needs to be able to be
1)Clean
2)Safe
3)Fed
4)and can go see a doctor if they're sick
You don't have to work. You don't have to do anything. You just get that.
Kids from age 18-22 have to put in 4 years to run the sewer systems and keep the roads from falling apart.
>>76858306
>Hardworkers still win because they will take advantage of the lazy, all that free money isn't staying in the pockets of the poor.
Exactly, people don't realize that this will make your job be worth more.
The ones who work will get more out of their work.
>>76858079
Mate I have relative that were alive before/during farming industrialization. They didn't farm every day by a long shot.
>>76858435
>I know that from what's evident and obvious from your post.
Like me wanting people to be ignorant?
You will have to explain that to me. If you care so much about reality, you should have a very reasonable explanation.
It's not like you would make assumptions about the world to make it easier to understand, no,only other people do this.
>>76858544
That will literally never happen
It's as much of a fantasy as communism is.
Non-working leeches are only going to get more political power as they become more.
If you do not support UBI you can watch socialism grow in power, would you prefer that?
>>76858761
You know someone from the 18th century?
Oh my god canada is a truly country of wonders.
The first to introduce UBI too, though it was your cuck president.
>>76858435
Wait... Global basic income?
You really want to share your income with soon 12 billions people? Feel free to do it, but why do you want us to do the same?
>>76853713
Yep, bullshit pseudoscience
Fucking mongloids in this thread defending free money for niggers and degenerates. Everyone has to work for their wealth and those who refuse will live in poverty as a result. This is the only way society will keep moving forwards and not collapse.
>>76859019
>Global
Unnecessary.
Have you forgotten about a certain Wall?
Also EU will be experienced in dealing with unwanted immigration after the current crisis.
>>76859223
How will that work if there are no jobs for everyone?
Eventually there simply won't be.
>not collapse.
If you have a mass of starving people that WILL lead to a collapse, inevitably.
Or communism, which is arguably worse.
>>76858761
My great grand parents were peasant in a poor part of France.
What you don't take into account is how poor people were back then. You can not buy shoes for the kids all years for instance, so there often had naked foot as kids. There is bad years, and then you don't eat as much as you want. Obviously, I should not mention how hard it is to obtain the land. Being a peasant is hard.
The only people who believe in basic income are either uneducated on the matter and its effects or want to destroy the world.
>>76859341
>Also EU will be experienced in dealing with unwanted immigration after the current crisis.
We experience that since the 60's. There is a reason we accept "only" 5000 per year and don't give them a single €.
ITT singularityfags get butthurt that Moore's law is about to end, yet they still hold onto their delusions.
>>76859541
It's hard, not impossible. My great grandfather did the same, he couldn't afford a tractor until the end of the 40's after the war. But saying he spent 100% of his time in the field tending his crops is a lie.
I mean, can singularityfags even recover from such an assblasting?
http://news.softpedia.com/news/linus-torvalds-says-people-who-believe-in-an-ai-singularity-are-on-drugs-486373.shtml
>>76859019
>reading comprehension
Jesus fucking Christ this is my final (you)
>>76859172
>understanding the brain and how it works is "pseudoscience"
You're actually retarded
>>76848624
>There is no such thing as a "low worth" human being
Yes there is. It's a human being who is providing nothing of work. Even if you are shoveling snow for 20 bucks per driveway, you're providing value, value that is being paid for.
If you create something that nobody wants to buy, it has no worth in your community, therefore you have provided nothing of worth, therefore you are worthless.
>>76859853
If you want to live this life, you are free to do so. In fact, some people do it right now. You can just join them. Why do you want us to get it too?
>>76860100
Most people hate math and refuse to use math as much as they can. Are you saying mathemeticians are worthless? I'll remind you that our advanced technology works because of complex mathematic algorithms
Everyone arguing against basic income is forgetting that we're mechanizing and automatizing so much of our necessary work that very soon there won't be enough real jobs for anyone.
It's either a realization that we can do other things with our lives instead of pretend to work (as is the reality for the vast majority of the West. You think you're doing something valuable in your cubicle farms? You're not. You're participating in a massive circlejerk over illusionary value), or we continue on siphoning money from the rest of us to the top 1%.
Or we can keep on inventing more bullshit "jobs" to keep people occupied and wage-enslaved instead of letting us do what we *really* want to do with our lives.
>>76860183
Did I say anything about wanting to go back almost 100 year ago? I'm just correcting the dumb Italian that clearly doesn't know what life was back then.
>>76860270
>Most people hate math and refuse to use math as much as they can.
They buy products made thanks to math, even if they don't know it. A part of their money end in mathematicians pocket.
>>76859694
>We experience that since the 60's. There is a reason we accept "only" 5000 per year and don't give them a single €.
Germany is not as good as you than.
Also it's undeniable that it will get stricter.
And btw 5k people/year is literally nothing.
We're talking half a million in 100 years.
Most of them will die before half of that time has passed.
>>76844288
>When we stop worrying about survival, we can turn to education and stop having so many children.
Isn't the US below replacement rates? I'm pretty sure white americans are
>>76860345
>Only 10.000 people working
>The rest can go back to school
>No teachers
>No janitors
This man is not a genius.
>>76843903
You're forgetting that it just means new forms of value will become more pressing.
One will be he value of living area. So everyone will be paid the same but when everyone can afford a burbs life near a good school, how do you decide who will get to live their?
And that is were liberals, now with their lives totally uninhibited, by even a job as a coffee pourer, will rally against their collective boredom and satisfy a need to grand stand for those areas to go to the dregs of society first.
Many people will take basic income as a platform from which to excel, many more will literally do nothing all day.
>>76860472
Yes that is further to my point. Many people in this thread would call mathemeticians lazy though, because it doesn't fit in their ignorant definition of "hard work". All they do is critically think and work out equations. I'd like to see the hard working manual labor chumps take a crack at what scientists do for a living. Their brains would short circuit
>>76860861
>Many people in this thread would call mathemeticians lazy
This need a source because we all did math in school and no one found that shit easy. I can only imagine oh hard it is to work with triple integrations.
>>76860345
>>76860345
>Everyone arguing against basic income is forgetting that we're mechanizing and automatizing so much of our necessary work that very soon there won't be enough real jobs for anyone.
Thank you, but this point has been repeated a million times in this thread (by me among other people)
The problem is that /pol/ just won't realize that there is no practical alternative to UBI.
Any attempt to kill most of the population or keep it in check will almost certainly fail.
It's a pragmatic solution, not a "bleeding heart liberal" one.
>>76860687
You can learn on the internet.
At university I didn't need to engage with the teacher very often during normal lessons.
I could have learned just as much with recorded lessons and (digital) books.
>>76860737
>And that is were liberals, now with their lives totally uninhibited, by even a job as a coffee pourer, will rally against their collective boredom and satisfy a need to grand stand for those areas to go to the dregs of society first.
They will use their vote to do terrible things, like they always have?
>>76860861
>Many people in this thread would call mathemeticians lazy though
An absolute strawman.
Us physicists along with mathematicians, and "hard-science" scientists actually contribute to society unlike your job in the humanities (I bet that's what you do).
If people thought the way you think you do, they would call CEOs lazy.
That's COMMUNIST, not capitalist thinking.
>>76861021
This is /pol/. It's not the brightest crowd you know. Look through this thread and you should be able to see it: People who aren't satisfied with calling something "hard work" unless it involves manual labor or socializing
>>76861378
>It's not the brightest crowd you know.
/pol/ is the most diverse place you ever saw. We have all kind of people from all kind of countries here.
>>76850345
>all job can be automated
You're mentally retarded if you actually believe this. I needn't explain why because if you're stupid enough to believe all jobs can be automated, you're guaranteed to not be intelligent enough to understand even simple logic as to why your claim is asinine horseshit.
>>76861949
leftists always have exagerated childish notions of how economy works, theyre just plain retarded
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_nanometer
"But muh singularity, muh automation"
Bitch please. Moore's law is about to end. Deal with it, faggots.
