So does this disprove the holohoax, or show how fucked up the socialists are?
The Venezuelan government announced that Socialist Party members will control and distribute all food in Caracas - all food. The first ration bag is about 15 lbs of food per person, and they'll save you the trouble of shopping by bringing you your next bag 21 days from now.
The average human being eats 3-5lbs of food per day, Americans average nearly 5 1/2 lbs per day. I punched up the calories and the "all the food you're legally allowed to have" bag provides 855 calories/day
For comparison let's look at what prisoners ate on a typical day at Auschwitz:
>In the morning the prisoners received only a half litre of black coffee or of a herbal brew known as tea. These liquids were generally unsweetened.
>The midday meal consisted of one portion of soup measuring about three quarters of a litre, with a value of 350 –400 calories. The soup was foul tasting and watery, with ‘meat’ four times a week and the rest with vegetables.
>For supper the prisoners were given about 300 grams of bread and something extra in the shape of about 25 grams of sausage or margarine, or a spoonful of jam or cheese.
>The food value of supper came to about 900 – 1000 calories
>>76568475
I think you're first major logical problem is assuming anyone distributing the food is actually going to be giving it away.
>>76568647
Well duh. They're going to use it to extort sex from pretty young women, and gold/jewelry/valuables/gasoline from everyone else.
That's the main goal of ANY man who is involved in socialist power structure: to be that little commisar who gets to flex their power and get pussy through it.
However, we now have a unique opportunity to show how people really weren't being starved in Auschwitz. :^)
>>76568475
It doesn't matter. This wasn't true socialism. You people are just Statist Corporate Shills who still cling to your broken, corrupt, capitalistic system to deter people from unshackling themselves from the materialistic oppression. The Scandinavian nations prove socialism can work. American and their Western allies have nefarious deals to ensure that all other countries fail at it. Somehow.
>>76568475
>>76568793
How does this disprove the Holocaust? You're aware that a gas chamber doesn't require the targets to be skinny, right?
>>76568806
Very weak b8
Wow! free food from our government! Sounds great. Could capitalism ever provide such an amazing system? Food for free! I have to pay for food in capitalist countries
>CAPITALISM BTFO
>LEFTY /POL/ WINS AGAIN
>>76569544
>>76569766
Actual breadlines.
Communism YES!
>>76569326
>You're aware that a gas chamber doesn't require the targets to be skinny, right?
No but the oven does...
>>76568806
Hookless b8
>>76568806
>wasn't true socialism
>>76568475
>show how fucked up the socialists are
Bingo!
>>76568647
^
Most of food is going to "disappear" and they will sell it on the streets (black market price).
>>76568806
A part of me wants to believe this is trolling but just in case: You're retarded, enjoy being retarded.
>>76570244
#FeelTheBern of fucking your whole country.
>>76568793
Are you an idiot? Seriously, just use an online calorie calculator. A *sedentary* 35 year old man, who is 5'8" and weighs in at 150 lbs will burn 2300 calories per day. And that is being a NEET loser playing Xbox in his mom's basement. Add in the calories burned by strenuous physical labor and you get walking fucking skeletons.
As for what is happening in Venezuela, I bet dollars to donuts that the socialist elites will look as fat as glorious leader in best Korea, but you'll see the average Juan starving to death. Or shot for protesting not having food.
>>76568475
Need some sauce dude.
I need to rub it into the assholes of a few peers.
>>76568475
See, I told you so! Socialism does work, then stop worshipping Chile or the Dominican Republic, would you?
>>76568806
"If you feed your enemies they win." Right leaf?
>>76571126
If you shoot enough of them you'll end up with a lot more food per person though
Well, at least socialism seems to be a good weight loss regime!
>>76568475
And no. People can't survive only from what's in this bag.
>>76571682
hey mang glad you're using your internet ration well
>>76571682
The best!
>>76571853
you guys still have electricity?
>>76571853
When will you have the Pinochet you need?
>>76571853
HOW'S THAT SOCIALISM WORKING OUT FOR YOU, PACO?
>>76572066
You son of a whore i was just trying to post that and got 'duplicate image'
>>76568475
legitimate english source, plz.
>>76571374
True, and if the Venezulians get desperate enough, there is always Soylent Green from the ones they shoot.
>>76572177
>>76571264
Just use fucking google. There are loads of news about it.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/06/07/venezuela-socialist-party-control-food-supply/
>>76570295
>Venezuela
>Lush green temperate climate
Have these braindead niggers ever tried growing their own food? Dirt, water and seeds jesus piss! All you need!
>>76572177
The Venezuelan government says it has imported thousands of tons of basic foodstuffs and will begin distributing them through communal councils directly to family homes.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-36486246
>>76574356
>don't worry commies
>us better off commies will save you!
>>76568475
On thing is in no way related to the other. Besides, there was more happening at those camps than just eating the rations.
>>76573139
>groups of Socialist Party members who will be in charge of controlling food supplies, preventing black market sales, and door to door distributions of food.
>preventing black market sales
Really? They could try to make this claim if there was enough in the bags to dissuade people from the black markets, but there is not enough. And, from the looks of it, a wholly new black market will open. Particularly lost food bags and bags officially destined to phantoms will be diverted.
>>76568475
By the way, why through his party instead of through a regular governmental institution.
>>76575087
The black market always asserts itself when government fucks the market up enough.
Kind of like the increasing divergence between the official price of paper gold IOUs and the real price of actually getting it in your hands.
BERNIE
BERNIE
BERNIE
>>76568475
>The average human being eats 3-5lbs of food per day, Americans average nearly 5 1/2 lbs per day.
Funny
>>76568475
Your first problem was assuming these socialist party members are angels who won't take the food away.
>>76573693
I don't get. Our land is 30% arid and we grow enough food to export. We even grow it in the fucking mountains.
>>76573187
Those answers were all crap tier answers.
>>76576409
I don't get it* I mean
>>76570973
Hang in there bro
>>76571853
you deserve this for NOT killing rosita
The amount of people fleeing is insane. They're going to add 10 daily flights from Caracas to Santo Domingo, apart from the 4 we already have.
>>76573187
the least convincing refutation i've ever seen
>>76576409
The US grows an unbelievable amount of food. But if the supply chain gets fucked up then a yuge proportion of its population, primarily the cityfolk, is going to die.
>>76568475
I am under the impression that majority of the hungry in the camps refused to eat because it was not kosher. I also tend to believe in some cases, a number of prisoners were forced by other prisoners to give up portions of their rations to other jews higher in their structural ranks. Aside from that, typhus was something to consider greatly.
>>76573187
Some "answers" those are.
>>76576963
this i a huge problem now. 1,000 hungry people causes an increase in crime. 1 million hungry people and society will halt.
>>76568475
>sanctions. embargoes
>egg factories letting eggs spoil
>stores hiding food
>wealthy shops in Caracas? Packed to the teeth
Why does Russia suck so bad then?
>>76576409
You have a non-cucked agricultural sector unlike us.
>>76568475
>venezuelans will literally starve under socialism
>socialist party trying to save them by using a garden hose on a house fire
kek
>>76568475
Ah, another victim of not real socialism.
>>76577596
Good time to learn even a little bit about growing food, plants or otherwise.
Plants are startlingly easy to grow even from seeds and in poor soil. Enough to feed yourself is a much harder problem that requires dedication, resources, and skill, but even having a little bit extra can make a big difference, even just for the sake of nutrition.
>>76576409
Brazil is a large food exporter and even being so we have many issues, mostly logistics, water and fertilizers, food prices are on the rise (weighing heavily on our inflation index) and there are also quality issues. Details here:
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/brazil/food-inflation
The ideology that has never been tried strikes again!
>>76573139
That anon said LEGITIMATE source. Breitbart is not a legitimate source.
>>76577376
cool feels
>>76572996
Won't this possibly lead to CJD?
>>76568475
fucking Animal farm the country
I'd give her meal if you know what I mean
>>76573693
They are now that things have gotten so desperate.
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/money/2016/01/21/venezuelas-response-to-food-shortages-grow-your-own-food-at-home/
Also
>People are hunting dogs and cats in the streets, and pigeons in the plazas to eat
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/05/18/venezuela-food-shortages-cause-some-hunt-dogs-cats-pigeons/84547888/
They've officially gone full Cuba now.
>>76573187
Jesus, this was like talking to a 14 year old kike
>>76573693
You have to understand that they have lived a city culture, with a city education. Go pick 60 people from any canadian city you like and plop them on fertile land with some seeds and watch them starve to death.
They're not a population of people that knows how to be self sufficient. You can't blame them for that, the structure of their society is set up such that learning basic survival labour is irrelevant.
>>76573693
You need Jesus's piss to grow plants
>>76577827
Why is there an ayy lmao next to him?
>>76576409
You're welcome Pablo
>>76568475
That girl in the back is cute
>>76568475
Another point being missed is that besides this food distribution debacle Maduro is:
https://panampost.com/sabrina-martin/2016/06/02/maduro-fights-back-against-oas-democratic-charter-with-lawsuit/
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-idUSKCN0YP257
>>76578945
You filth Puerto Ricans. I love you.
>>76571853
I'm starting to get worried about all my potential friends in Venezuela. One this is for sure: the moment some resource is suspected to become less plentiful, people hoard the resource until it is gone. Food in particular. I believe there isn't a food crisis as bad as a hoarding crisis.
>>76568475
Venezuelan girls are hot I should go down there and cream pie a couple for a bag of m&ms
>>76573693
Fun story Canadian friend. The first thing the goverment took over was the usuable lands and the farms. They methodically destroyed our agricultural infrastucture until there was nothing left.
Now nothing is produced, thats why we have to import all our food. Then the money run out.
>>76583822
You can easily get a good girl for around 10 dolars, but dont come here: its fucking dangerous. We are also the most dangerous country in the world, more people die here than in Afganistan
>>76582070
Jews invented Marxism and Jews are all controlled by ayys or something like that.
>>76584310
>The first thing the goverment took over was the usuable lands and the farms. They methodically destroyed our agricultural infrastucture until there was nothing left.
Almost sounds like the Bolshevik Revolution. What a brilliant idea.
>>76584681
These people have a textbook and they will follow it to the bitter end. No matter how many times they fail, they will just keep saying "X wasn't true socialism"
>>76584888
this is a great post
>>76584888
All funposting aside, I really feel bad for you guys. But maybe it'll save a few more people from repeating the same mistakes.
>>76584888
That strategic 4 in your post number.
>>76584888
What is the public sentiment there? Are people finally beginning to understand what socialism does? I imagine the hardcore commies are a lost cause, but what does the "average" Venezuelan think about socialism now?
How did this happen? Too many people on the take, too few working? Gov't controllers manipulating food distribution to gain power or money? What?
>>76585323
Nope. Most people dont blame socialism, but the current goverment.
Chavez popularity is still around 50%, even thought it is his fault that we got into this mess.
I believe we deserve everything bad that is happening to us, and everything bad that is about to happen.
Don't cry for us, this is the future that we chose.
>>76568475
Communism literally worse than being in a Nazi death camp
Bernie supporters BTFO
>>76585756
Any chance he can get away with the claim against the opposition at the supreme court? Or worse, something like disbanding the national assembly?
>>76585756
You know what to do.
>>76577827
This isn't Socialism. Taking everyone's shit and letting everyone starve is the total opposite of socialism. I don't know what the fuck the Venezuelan government is doing.
>M-m-muh communism!
Communism is a farce.
>>76586076
Our political system is pretty much an inside joke right now. Absolute power is hold not even by the president, but by the military which is also the biggest drug cartel around.
And they aint going to quit their multimillion dollar profit business because of something as silly as a piece of paper called "the constitution"
>>76568475
Whats stopping Venezuelan niggers from growing up their own food?
They have decent soil and climate.
>>76585756
>Have a leader with a nigger IQ
>Blame Socialism
Yeah no, you're just savages.
>>76573187
These were literally written by a child, right?
Some of the most idiotic, simplistic "refutations" I've ever seen in my life
>>76586352
Yeah exactly. You're not a Socialist state and /pol/ is fucking retarded as shit for calling you one. You're a capitalist criminal/military junta with a retard figurehead.
>>76586365
See
>>76584888
>>76587146
I agree. But we are savages with price controls on basic goods and a exchange control regime between the dollar and the local currency, and thats what ruined us.
If you think you can have socialism without those be my guest.
>>76587635
See above. I know calling what ever this is "socialism" creates unnecessary hostilities with people who has no idea what socialism actually means and think its all about "sharing" and "muh free college".
If you can have a Socialist utopia without telling people how much can you charge for milk please go ahead, but I think you might be confusing socialism with something else.
>>76587635
By that metric Brazil would be a Kleptocracy.
It is more like how power structured itself, the socialist ideology is the motor behind their government (and of those related to Foro de São Paulo).
>>76584888
socialism is such a deceptive word, when what is meant is essentially the most extreme form of statism. the kikes who use the word "socialism" to describe some european welfare state should be fucking gassed.
>>76569766
I went there. The food was higher quality than I originally assumed. Oddly enough, they have really good buns. Fresh, soft in the center and crunchy on the outside. It was better quality than most buns in nice sit down restaurants.
>>76586220
socialism is literally just state owned means of production. you need to construct additional words to describe your favorite welfare state.
>>76588209
>price controls
Price controls don't make you Socialists, although I would imagine in your trainwreck of a country they can't hurt.
>and thats what ruined us.
No it isn't, you moron. What ruined you was living on oil wealth like the dumb Arabs. Having one vital resource, living for the day and not even being remotely self-sufficient is nigger-tier living. Your people got what you deserved. That and your criminals are out of control. You fucking cowards should have rose up and slaughtered the organized criminals in your country by now. Yet, even now, what are you doing? You're bitching and screaming "Damn you, Socialism! You did this!", when it totally did not.
>all about "sharing"
Sharing is literally one of the foundational principles of Socialism, and your state isn't really doing that. You are a criminal kleptocracy.
>If you can have a Socialist utopia without telling people how much can you charge for milk please go ahead
Please, you're not even close to Socialism. If you were, your country wouldn't be a blazing trainwreck. Being an oil and drug-dependent nation of savages is what ruined you.
>>76588249
>By that metric Brazil would be a Kleptocracy.
>Implying it's not.
>>76588529
>socialism is literally just state owned means of production
That is NOT what Socialism is. That is a subset of Socialism. Socialism is when the WORKERS own the means of production. In a nation state, that often takes the form of the state owning them. But an actual Socialist state wouldn't funnel all it's cash and resources out of the country and be run by criminals. That, like I said is just a kleptocracy or an organized crime/military capitalist junta.
>>76588529
Also, what the fuck would you know about Socialism? You retards were communist. That's like trying to tell a biologist about the life history of wolves when you're a pug breeder.
>>76588725
>>76588803
The commie so salty he needs to write an essay and then insult the comrade again.
>>76588981
I'm not a communist, you fucking retard. If Americans could read, you would have picked that up.
>>76589115
You're not an American?
>>76588725
>Socialism is when the WORKERS own the means of production.
things that never happened for 3kk bolivars?
no seriously, where has this ever been made into reality?
> In a nation state, that often takes the form of the state owning them.
and like with any monopoly, it's impossible to prevent such a state from becoming infested with evil and corruption.
...no seriously, how could some people wish to fuckin MONOPOLIZE FOOD PRODUCTION???!!!
>>76588384
>>76588529
Thats why I dont really like using that word.
The reason we are starving is due to price controls on basic good that generated scarcity by destroying the incentives to produce them.
>>76588725
>What ruined you was living on oil wealth like the dumb Arabs.
Well actually there were lines for food even before the oil prices droped. Also the goverment make sure to make every other source of income we had went to shit.
We used to import gold, iron and steel, for example. Goverment took over those corporations and run them to the ground.
> You fucking cowards should have rose up and slaughtered the organized criminals in your country by now
I agree on the cowards part but... well they also banned guns so they kind of have an unfair advantage over us. We know we cant win.
Althought that is mattering less and less as time goes on
>>76585323
The opposition just won the recent parliamentary elections but they don't have any real power since Maduro still controls the military and is invoking martial law.
>>76589334
>how could some people wish to fuckin MONOPOLIZE FOOD PRODUCTION???!!!
Well, Monsanto literally bought up a military mercenary group to try to monopolize it.
But oh no, you're every kind of -ist in the book if you point out that we're on the same crazy train as every other failed -ist country in history.
>>76588803
>You retards were communist
>private property
>money
>communist
>>76568475
>Venezuela: all food is to be distributed by Socialist Party members
Like the Soviet Union did. And those who don't lick commie/socialist boot starves to death, if they didn't disappear first.
Maybe it's time to liberate the world of commies again. And this time, genocide is an option. Erase anyone who supports socialism/communism, because you know they'll do it to you--at least when the socialists/commies have been purged, everyone else would be better off.
>>76585756
>>76589838
Only thing worse than Communism is Islam, and the only solution is the final solution.
>>76589343
yeah gun ownership is really the most important thing... any government in the world could do the same shit if they wanted, except teh glorious USA.
>>76585756
just move to Sweden, I know someone from ur country that already moved.
>>76589170
I'm an atypical one.
>>76589334
>things that never happened for 3kk bolivars?
Did it? I honestly don't know. I was just correcting your inaccurate definition of Socialism. But none of this matters because Venezuela's problems have nothing to do with Socialism and everything to do with depending on two very bad resources to keep themselves afloat: oil and drugs. Well oil prices crashed and the Venezuelan economy went right along with them. Let's also not forget this is a country with an average IQ of 84. If this were about guns, every shill on /pol/ would be screaming about how this is a race issue. This board is bluepilled as everliving fuck. You see what you want and blame who you want when it's convenient for you. I just read a post about how Trump would have been worth 8 billion if he'd just left his money alone in a mutual fund and the /pol/shill response of course was "That only proves he'd rather create jobs than sit on his pile of money!" And if he HAD done that, /pol/ would be praising him for his business acumen. You people are retards. You can't always be right regardless of whether your assertions are proven true or false.
>and like with any monopoly, it's impossible to prevent such a state from becoming infested with evil and corruption.
That's simply not true. And once a state shuts the workers out, it ceases to be capitalism. It's just oligarchy, despotism, junta or some other totalitarian regime. PERIOD. You faggots need to deal with definitions.
>MONOPOLIZE FOOD PRODUCTION
Doesn't sound like they did to me. Monopolizing food production implies the production of food. Sounds to me like they just exported oil and drugs and the people making bank just sat on it. Sounds like it became a direct plutocracy/corporatocracy.
>>76571853
You still hearing your homo bird friend singing maricon?
>>76568475
>The average human being eats 3-5lbs of food per day, Americans average nearly 5 1/2 lbs per day. I punched up the calories and the "all the food you're legally allowed to have" bag provides 855 calories/day
if you're REALLY starving going by 800-1200 cal a day is just fine unless you'r fat, and I doubt these people are busy burning calories when there's no work and they're not exactly working on growing their own food ....
>>76590095
What do you think of Solzhenitsyn's claim that it would have worked if people had simply stood up and used fire pokers or whatever else was at hand when the state finally had started dragging people off publicly?
Not that I'm against guns. Warm dead hands, motherfuckers. But I don't think guns alone make the difference.
>>76589343
>Thats why I dont really like using that word.
Then don't. /pol/ is ignorant enough of economic and governmental systems. Christ, you'd think the majority of them never had a middle school civics class. They call everything further left than direct corporatocratic theocracy "communism" or "Socialism". Fucking Reagan brainwashed an entire generation right and proper.
>Well actually there were lines for food even before the oil prices droped
I don't understand this shit. Again, referring to Socialism, it makes sense why Russia would have starved and China was mismanaged as fuck. But Venezuela? How in the fuck can you people starve? Fuck, even fat, stupid Americans grow tomatoes in pots. Were your people literally just getting fed like cats by the government or something?
>Goverment took over those corporations and run them to the ground.
Sounds like what happened is that idiots took them over. If I had to guess about what I'd find if I did a brief study of your history, I'd bet every penny I own that America enacted a proxy coup in your country to secure access to your drugs and oil and left you to rot thereafter.
>well they also banned guns
You don't need guns to win a war. Asymmetric warfare is why the most advanced army on Earth can't win a single country in the Middle East.
>>76589627
This. It's all the same shit. Corporations and plutocrats taking over everything and making everyone else a slave. They can call it whatever the fuck they want in whatever country they seize control of, but it's all the same thing. It's just a new, hideous feudalism.
>>76589756
Pic related.
>>76589993
Jews did proxy wars and Islam in the West as a cover for their own shenanigans. Daily Reminder that /pol/ is full retard for not knowing this obvious reality.
>>76590095
Didn't stop them from doing it here too, I assure you. Americans are just stupid enough to think it did. They just called it capitalism here and the gunnuts worship the corporations for doing it like the cucks they are and will defend it from anyone who criticizes the system.
>>76590937
>/pol/ doesn't know it was really the Jews all along
c'mon man it's 2016
>>76590632
people are not a hivemind, any resistance is always going to be a minority. and partisans cannot exist without guns. if only it was as easy as going horde mode and swarming the govt forces...
>>76585585
Oil exports make up a large part (80%?) of the government's cash flow. They import a large amount of their food. Low oil prices mean the money they get from selling petroleum is not enough to buy the food they need.
>>76590632
>But I don't think guns alone make the difference.
Off course they don't. Anyone who actually believes this only has to look at America and how brainwashed the corporatocrats have gotten everyone to not just accept a plummeting standard of living, but defend it from anyone arguing against it and calling them commies.
>>76591027
My point exactly. Nu/pol/ is not /pol/. Nu/pol/ is just Neonazi Facebook.
>>76591055
>partisans cannot exist without guns
Where are you people getting this shit?? An intelligent and well-organized army with no arms will trounce a stupid one with guns any day of any week of any year of any millennium.
>>76591124
>They import a large amount of their food
I still can't grasp this. How in the fuck is Nigeria a net exporter of food, yet Venezuela is starving?
>>76568475
In the image they are carrying rice, you stupid nigger.
5 pounds of rice will last a person a month.
You know how I know you live in mummy's basement and eat her hot pockets?
>>76578650
why not it gets millions of views?
>>76590937
>But Venezuela? How in the fuck can you people starve?
I tried growing some tomatoes in a pot. It takes time and it seems you need more than three tomatoes to live.
I am eating mangos mostly to avoid death by starvation, so is almost everyone else
http://www.bbc.com/news/in-pictures-36478309
>>76591270
First the goverment take over the farms.
Then they take over all the food factories
Then they take over the supermarkets
Then they cut imports.
And the you die.
The goverment has a motto: "revolution is when the extraordinary becomes normal"
Guess we should had seen this coming.
>>76568793
Doesnt matter how fat you are, on Auschwitz rations alone you would last maximum 3 months. 12 hours of hard labour, beatings, stress, dysenteria, some doesnt even lasted three weeks. The only survivors are those who managed to gather additional food by selling cigarettes/providing any other service/stealing.
btw do you know what "muslim" meant in concentration camps?
>>76591621
>I tried growing some tomatoes in a pot. It takes time and it seems you need more than three tomatoes to live
You do need more than tomatoes to live, but they're good for nutrition and you should be getting loads of them from even a single plant. People here give them away because tomatoes are so easy.
Maybe try potatoes. Potatoes are also stupid easy to grow, and provided the caloric content needed to support the population growth necessary for England's Industrial Revolution.
>>76590937
Don't you have a Nazi thread to circle-jerk in?
>>76576963
>primarily the cityfolk, is going to die.
This will be a great method for racially cleansing Europe.
>>76589447
The problem is: the Venezuelan opposition is also socialist.
>>76591621
>I tried growing some tomatoes in a pot.
Wait, was this something you'd never encountered before? Americans are dumb as shit and can't plan for fuck, but nearly anyone who doesn't live in an apartment has a small garden. Hell, even I grow fruit trees in pots. You people seem like gardening is a foreign concept. How did you get your food?
>First the goverment take over the farms.
>Then they take over all the food factories
>Then they take over the supermarkets
>Then they cut imports.
This is either an engineered problem-reaction-solution situation, or your government is full retard on an absolutely legendary scale. What did they DO with the farms once they took them over? You don't just let farm land sit around. That's some Zimbabwe shit right there.
>>76591833
This. Tomatoes produce a fuckton of food once mature, and in Venezuela they could do so all year round.
>>76591898
There are no Nazis on /pol/. Only morons who think jewish theocratic capitalism is National Socialism.
Where is Sean Penn at? Where is Danny Glover at? Where is Harry Belafonte at? After all that shit they talked about how great Venezuela is this is the result.
>>76592038
Squash of any kind is also a good bet. Grows like bonkers and the fruit is full of nutrition, calories, and yums.
AND NOW THE WALL IS DOWN
THE MARXISTS FROWN
THERES FOREIGN SHOPS ALL OVER TOWN
>>76568475
>they'll save you the trouble of shopping by bringing you your next bag 21 days from now.
Holy,shit they literally bring the food to your doorstep, how can anybody claim that socialism doesn't work? Meanwhile capitlist dogs are spening thousands of dollars to drive back and forth between their bread and circus shows
Bolívar is spinning in his grave.
t. Venezuelan/Cuban
>>76592201
You have no fucking clue what it takes to grow enough food just to feed one person. Here you are talking shit to this guy and you couldnt grow enough food to get through a month.
>>76591621
Are you going to die when the mangos run out?
>>76592410
I think if you review my ID you will find my comments on what it really takes to feed a person, and why it's nonetheless a good idea to start growing things in pots or little patches of dirt, such as was done during the Industrial Revolution, or whatever else as a supplementary measure.
>>76592410
I do. So why isn't Venezuela doing it? And that isn't even the point. There are literally maps of California where fruit trees grow for homeless people to eat because they're just planted as ornamentals? Do Venezuelans not plant anything at all? It sounds like they just stopped food production and decided for some insane reason to start trading oil for food. Venezuela has no business importing food. That's madness.
>>76592556
This. Growing anything you can will help alleviate the problem. But why wasn't anyone doing this before is the question?
>>76592410
I do.
We Californians grow enough food to feed the entire country, and still have enough to export.
>>76591270
Welcome to communism comrade
>>76592038
>How did you get your food?
I used to exchange services for capital and then exchange that capital for food. How do you guys do it over there?
>This is either an engineered problem-reaction-solution situation, or your government is full retard on an absolutely legendary scale
You know, we actually can't never tell if its either one or the other.
>>76592026
I can confirm this. Or to please the purists: the opposition also call themselves socialists.
There is no one here to defend capitalism or the free markets.
>>76592513
Probably.
>>76570973
Hope you got some Bitcoins before your whole country fell to shit.
warms my heart to know that shitskins will never stop starving unless they either cease to exist or cease to be dumb
>>76592631
They will cease being a nation very soon.
They are already done for.
>>76592631
>But why wasn't anyone doing this before is the question?
Having visited jungles before, it could be in part because jungles produce free, delicious food rampantly. Can't say for sure.
But I come from an agricultural family that produced enough food to sell to other people, let alone feed itself,and then send its children on to higher-minded walks of life, so maybe my idea is warped.
>>76592556
I don't need to review an ID. I've been growing my own food for 30 years.
It's not as easy as you think and looking at some graph or chart on the internet doesn't do it. I can tell by your posts you are very uneducated about agriculture. Stop trying to belittle someone that you know nothing about.
Do yourself a favore and research Famines on the internet. Famines are created by governments. The way this guy describes the actions of his government are textbook ways to make a famine.
>>76592789
>There is no one here to defend capitalism or the free markets.
Sounds to me like whoever owns the oil and the drug cartels defend capitalism just fine.
>>76592789
I really hope for your sake that China or Russia intervenes and makes you their first South American clay, fracaso. You're all pathetic.
>>76591621
Those mangos are worth so much more than what you dumb shitskins are getting out of them like this, god dammit you could sell them and get so much more for so much more nutritious food what the fuck
>>76577376
>believe
>under the impression
Nice try schlomo
>>76592975
I assume you also noticed when I mentioned how the Bolshevik Revolution operated out of famine.
I'm not belittling anyone phamalam. Just trying to say that it's easy to take good measures even if you're not a farmer.
>>76592978
Funny how 10 years ago many socialist intellectuals, such as Noam Chomsky, Tariq Ali, Oliver Stone, were praising Venezuela as the example of a "socialism of the 21st century".
>>76592888
The real motive is that the ones that used to produce food were prosecuted by Chavez because "muh bourgeoisie".
Half lost everything they had and the other half escaped to other countries.
>>76593158
Honestly, I haven't kept up. I'll have to look into it more. But never forget: Noam Chomsky said that the Weimar Republic was the height of human civilization.
>eating fruits
>eating nightshades
Man I would not live long if it came down to it
I can't have grains or dairy either
Fucking hell how does broccoli even fucking grow
>country ran by drug cartels
>socialist
I don't think that word means what you think it means. Just because this beaner is too dumb to into socialism successfully like Europe, doesn't mean socialism doesn't work.
What this guy is describing in an AnCap utopia run by subhuman morons.
>>76593314
>how does broccoli even fucking grow
You put the seeds in the ground, water them, and then chop it out of the ground before it starts flowering.
>>76589447
>Maduro still controls the military and is invoking martial law.
GAS THE PLANTAINS
BANNANA WAR NOW
>>76593396
You don't chop it out of the ground. You cut off the stem and the plant will still live and keep growing for a fall and spring season.
>>76593546
Yeah, that's a more accurate description. Nobody wants to eat the roots anyway.
>>76592410
it does not require much using today's technology and methods
>>76593371
>drug cartels
>venezuela
ameriturd
>>76593546
It should also be noted that you need a lot of room to grow enough broccoli to make a difference. Like acres and acres of land. It's great as a vegetable, but it's really not what you want to go for if you're trying to grow something in a pot or in your back yard for food.
>>76581212
Your telling me out of 60 average Venezuelans none of them can figure out a fucking tomato plant?
>>76593739
>Venezuela
>not having their gangsters upload videos of them torturing people and having them cannibalize corpses
Voz son la segunda razon porque sudacas estan moriendosé
>>76592997
Both China and Russia are kind of sick of us already because we keep borrowing money from then and we don't pay them back.
>You're all pathetic.
I agree.
>>76593171
This. But its more like 75% and 25%. They are trying to blame colombians for scarcity but its their own fault for making the price artificially lower than market price.
>>76593314
I was just a weeb that used to spend his time shitposting in a imageboard for chinese cartoons. I suppose I could learn how to grow stuff but society told me I was going to be fine if I learned how to code and then paid other people to grow food for me. Should had paid attention to those home gardening classes back on middle school.
>>76593739
Its just one cartel: the one run by the military.
El cartel de soles.
>>76588725
We have found the Sanders voter, feel that salty Bern.
>>76592383
Not really
He hated South America by the time he died
"like trying to plow the sea etc etc"
>>76589343
When did they ban guns? I remember seeing something about Venezuela having gun rights.
Also
>socialist
>banning guns
Who was actually surprised by this?
>>76593739
>being an ignorant ass
>believing brown people have drug-free zones
Texas
A big problem there as it was here during the depression of 1929 is theft.
Growing your own food is one thing. Keep some son of a bitch from stealing it is another. Even now, in good times theft of garden produce is a problem in some areas.
It's very disheartening to have some nice produce in the garden only to wake up too or come home to bare plants.
Of course that doesn't take into account animals feeding off your hard work.
I imagine that that latter problem has been taken care of by locals hunting for food. Some species of animals were almost extinct here in the states by the time the Great Depression was over.
>>76571126
the math on that seems fucked. if being 100% seditary burned 2300 calories a day most amerifats would not be fat
>>76588725
nigga, even Marx didnt like the utopian socialists. The problem that you have with socialism is the resources needed for production are limited. You cant make the shit work because it is not possible in the physical world. Im not a marxist, but I understand Marx so much more than you will. Sharing is another thing that people dont understand from socialist or marxist theory because he deals with historic imperatives and the means of surplus related to the use of resources. Marx never says you have to share, in fact, he agrees a lot with Adam Smith in a lot of things, especially when it comes to have a better lifestyle by working hard, and being able to buy whatever you want. Also, it is NOT THE WORKER CLASS OWNING THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION, that is a simplification of Marx's theory. Read your fucking "Das Kapital," you mongrel.
>>76594121
>not fucking getting microcontroller to automate your gardening by using publicly available APIs all over the internet that are used for agriculture
>"codes"
I have relatives in Cuba who build cars out of shoes, you nigger. Get a TI micro for 50 cents and learn how to use a sprinkler.
>>76594329
Most Amerifats eat a 1k calorie burger for lunch and wash it down with a pint of soda.
>>76594121
>angle
No wonder they're starving... specs can't read the instructions on the back of the seed pack, and must think hogs are only for fucking.
>>76594316
>Of course that doesn't take into account animals feeding off your hard work.
Goddamn I wish I could discharge a firearm where I live. This is one of the many excellent lessons to be learned by just trying to grow a little bit of something.
I could make some nice stews out of them if I knew somebody to butcher them for me.
>>76594486
>with a pint of soda.
liter you dumb nigger.
>>76592038
>jewish theocratic capitalism
That is National socialism.
>>76592735
and thats why you're in a drought
>>76568475
someone should smuggle them 1984 if they're allowed to read it
>>76594161
He actually hated the Indians that became indoctrinated by Christianity and complacent to the disdain of the revolution that Bolívar saw in South America. Bolívar was the last hope for that shithole.
>>76594665
>not drinking your Da out of an ice cold pint glass
lelmao
>>76593231
Source?
>>76594837
>That qt in the Astros cap
I know it's off topic but who is that
>>76594522
thats part of the meme nimrod
>>76594486
>pint
A large soda is 2 pints, you fucking skinny bitch. An XL is nearly 3.
>>76594634
Get a kick ass pellet gun.
Go to Youtube and check out rabbit hunting in England. Those guys are the shit when it comes to hunting with pellet guns They are killing Groundhog sized rabbits with them.
Gunner17722 is a good channel to start with. He also does traps and snares. Also Youtube to learn how to dress different animals.
>>76595033
some random qt who posted #capson on instagram
shame instagrams RSS feed went down and I lost the qt gold mine
>>76594720
Nah, that's because of wine and almonds.
We have plenty of water to grow non yuppie/frivolous bullshit.
>>76595033
Altuveeeeeeeeeeee
>>76594121
>This. But its more like 75% and 25%. They are trying to blame colombians for scarcity but its their own fault for making the price artificially lower than market price.
This makes no sense. If the state has control of the farms, why isn't it just directly having people grow food instead of retardedly relying on a free market, which it's also hampering. None of this shit makes any sense at all. This is a circus.
>>76594145
I don't vote, but if I did it would be for Trump, even though he's going to lose. I want apocalypse.
>>76594340
>The problem that you have with socialism is the resources needed for production are limited
This makes no sense. Resources being "produced" by humans is a fucking myth. Capitalism doesn't magically produce wealth anymore than communism magically spreads wealth. It comes from the planet. Venezuela is part rainforest, part llano, both suited to agriculture. The state took over the farms, then grew nothing? That's not Socialism. That's Mugabe-esque retardation.
>You cant make the shit work because it is not possible in the physical world
You're confusing communism with Socialism. Communism is (barely, sort of) a form of Socialism. And it's the worst form of it.
>Marx never says you have to share
Nigger, it's right in the name. It's literally "social" with ism on the end. Every principle of Socialism is about sharing.
>NOT THE WORKER CLASS OWNING THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION
No, that is the LITERAL DEFINITION of Socialism.
>Read your fucking "Das Kapital," you mongrel.
Enough of this shit. Karl Marx was barely BORN when Socialism was coined.
>>76594675
Moron.
>>76594928
It was a talk he did on a youtube video I saw years ago. He was at a college or something. I've looked for the clip again for years, but could never find it. I'll never forget him saying it though because I thought he sounded relatively sane until then.
>>76568475
Socialism by an authoritarian government is why Venezuela is doing poorly. Not to mention they were already in economic problems caused by capitalism in the 70's
>>76594675
Fuck off kike shill.
Hitler beat your shekelism with glorious National Socialism.
>>76595091
Don't even get me started on groundhogs. I'm about ready to use poisoned blowdarts.
But I understand that I have to proceed strategically, and that means trapping them first to put on a good show for the landlord, and I got a day job to work and weeds to hoe first. Those rabbits are breeding like rabbits though, and I'm thinking back to when rabbit was served at the dinner table.
>>76595268
>"I-it's never socialisms fault, it's always someone else!"
>"Muh perfect form of socialism has never been practiced, so it doesn't count!"
Can anyone post that pastebin of anti socialism/anti bernie sanders text. I never got the chance to finish reading it.
>>76594205
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-18288430
> 1 June 2012
>Venezuela has brought a new gun law into effect which bans the commercial sale of firearms and ammunition.
>Hugo Chavez's government says the ultimate aim is to disarm all civilians, but his opponents say the police and government may not have the capacity or the will to enforce the new law.
Hue
>>76595255
>This makes no sense.
Welcome to everyday of my life.
>>76594634
Also Look up John Darling on Youtube. This guy will make you a believer in pellet gun hunting. This guy would not be without meat.
>>76581212
> its impossible to learn agriculture, theres no info out there
maybe they are just retarted
>not being a net exporter of food so that if worst comes to worst at least you won't starve
looking at you, Japan
>>76595491
So did they just abandon the farms after they took them over or what?
>>76595491
ley desarme was the worst thing.
>venezuelan expat
>>76573187
>7 out of 72 known concentration camps
Concentration camps =/= death camps
>>76594121
Dude you have the fucking Internet what the fuck do you mean you wish you paid attention in elementary school, you can go learn way more than that right now, or die, man I thought shitskins were dumb but holy fuck
>>76581212
>Go pick 60 people from any canadian city you like and plop them on fertile land with some seeds and watch them starve to death.
I live in a Canadian city and I grow my own vegetables.
You know how you do it? You put the seeds in the ground and water them
>>76581212
That is true with most places in the US. People just stopped learning how to do on their own because they could go to the store and get it.
If there is one criticism of the "Greatest Generation" this would be it.
Hello Webbit, ask me anything
>>76568475
how much money you reckon i can buy a wife from venezuela for?
>>76595545
>>76581212
Actually there is a lot of agriculture. But whatever grows the government takes it away to redistribute it.
>>76595719
no linches a nadie hoy
>>76578945
Honestly how many calories are there in a load of semen? I'd give her several a day.
>>76595541
Here's a (you) for continued good advice.
When Argentina went through a big currency collapse under Volker, the local animal life got eaten up pretty quick, pet or wild. Something to think about.
>>76576412
>>76577547
>>76579974
>>76587205
Not an argument
>>76590242
>I'm an atypical one
You're a fucking bernie supporting regressive leftist faggy pseudo-intelellectual who thinks you're soooooooo fucking smart because you watched John Greene explain the glory of communism in a 10 minute youtube video. You think the US is hopelessly corrupt, think violently protesting Trump's rallies are a good thing, and honestly believe Sanders had the election stolen from him. You are quite literally, everything wrong with this country. Your parents are disappointed in you, you dad doesn't love you, you have little to no friends but that's ok, you tell people it's because you're "too smart" and "intimidating" when in reality you're an annoying, self loathing, worthless piece of shit. Please, for the love of god, kill yourself and timestamp before you do.
>>76568475
fucking idiots go with the idea of socialism....
but thats why im scared the fact that a lot of people ARE idiots and would gladly go along with it even when they see what it does to every else and where im from they are more than leaning over to it, i cant fucking stand the sight of my own people because it.
bloody traitors need off this shit hole island
>>76595255
I'm gonna advise you to read fucking Marx, so you dont sound like an idiot every time you make a post for what you dont really understand. I will even give you a proper what on how you should explained in the future.Ready? Check the picture
>>76590937
>you don't need guns to win a war
HOLY SHIT HE'S SERIOUS
>>76591214
Ah yes because Venezuelan city folk with guns would be better trained than the army
All jokes and bickering aside.
Everyone in this discussion from a country NOT in a food shortage, can help themselves now. Buy and store dry goods now and rotate out your supplies. It doesn't take much money at all to do it.
1 pound of rice, dry beans(pintos) equals 3 pounds of finished food.
I'm an atheist but I still listen to what the Mormon religion says about food storage. There is no one better at it than them.
Laugh or disparage me if you want, but you will lessen your hunger pains when that time comes.
>>76595778
>Insinuando que alguien que postea en 4chins es hardcore dude enough to go outside and lynch people
Boludo pls
>>76595684
This.
Jesus pegging Christ, what an idiot. This has to be a proxytroll.
>>76595719
https://www.google.com/url?q=http://cubamaterial.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Con-Nuestros-Propios-Esfuerzos-reduced.pdf&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiZw-qHoprNAhUEKx4KHVsTC5cQFggeMAk&usg=AFQjCNEHsfG1u_tT7eiuAhgCmJAIxpn9Dw
Why didn't Chavito tell you sudacas about this? How about you do yourself and your comrades a favor, print this out, distribute it, and make sure they fucking read it.
>>76595975
Next time. Learn to read.
>>76584888
>2008
>First semester at college
>Political Science class
>Professor introduces herself, casually mentions she's a feminist
>"In this class, each of you will be encouraged to engage in discussion and debate, feelings WILL be hurt"
>next day some kids are debating socialism and the pro-socialist side is clearly losing
>Professor steps in with the whole spiel about "real socialism has never been put into practice"
I went around for years whipping out her same argument on my non-college friends, I thought I was so fucking smart before /pol/.
>>76592026
Nigga, wat? Why the Hell do you guys have more than one socialist party? Don't tell me your country is as retarded as France
>>76596169
Mormons make an industry of it and can source good freeze dried food on the cheap. Buy extra and try using it.
It really doesn't take much shelf space, and it's what you should do with your money right along with guns and water before you worry about gold and such.
>>76596013
I have. Years ago.
>what you dont really understand.
Oh boy, here we go. Tell me, oh master, how Socialism has nothing to do with sharing. Let me guess, it's just totalitarianism or some hybrid capitalist system, right?
>>76596191
>be me
>walking por el silencio
>agarralo agarralo chant breaks out
>throw some kicks around
>go home and cry
>>76595395
Believe it or not. Rabbit is picking up as a go to meat source like it used to be. People are paying good money for Eating rabbits. And on a side note. Rabbit crap can go directly into the garden without being composted like chicken, cow or horse crap.
>>76595975
Seeing the redneck projecting in his natural habitat is breathtaking... ly stupid.
You just described yourself, but keep trying, and believing your double digit IQ figured it all out, and this country boy with a 135 doesn't know which way the wind blows.
You make me question if it is truly in my best interest to pay another $20k a year in income taxes in order for you to get a decent education and enough childhood nutrition to assure you are concentrating on your studies and not the rumble in your distended belly.
>>76569326
Gas chambers were never proven to be at Auschwitz
>>76596191
You think people are going to resort to cannibalism if (when) the government fucks this up and has food shortages
>>76596503
>Rabbit crap can go directly into the garden without being composted
I didn't know that. But I'd pretty much have to hunt for rabbit crap. I say let it go in the yard and then use yard waste in my compost pile.
I live in a clay area so we need to reuse such things to improve the soil.
>>76595695
Post a picture with a time stamp to prove it. I think you're full of shit.
>>76596357
no, you fucking idiot, and this proves me 100% that you dont understand Marx at all. I'm not even a marxisist, and I understand what he tried to accomplished. I might admit that I don't like it, but he had a good intentions and a new way of thinking.
Marx hated all of the German socialist and philosophers because he said they were completely out of touch with reality. Check the pic that I put in my last post.
>>76576409
We are 335, 137mi2 smaller, we do not have oil and we are next to Haiti, the the shitties country in the entire West.
But we are able to make food for ourselves, fucking commie and socialist Venezuelan, they need to wake up and kill Maduro.
>>76596345
I dehydrate, freeze dry and can my own stuff. I learned a lot from them over the years.
Harvest Right freeze dryer
Excalibur dehydrators
All American canner
Para los Venezolanos ITT :
Dan asco , crotos, encima se la pasan mendigando bitcoins en Taringa para exiliarse... por que mierda no derrocan al gobierno y arreglan su pais, dejen de dar lastima
>>76596169
>I'm atheist
Why did you feel like telling everyone how autistic you are?
>>76596855
Dude, I read Marx in high school, like all edgy teenagers. I wasn't particularly impressed. But Socialism is what it is AND MARX SHIT DIDN'T EVEN INVENT IT so what the fuck are you even bitching about?
>>76596934
por eso poco a poco vamos invadiendo su país
>>76596828
Same here. Any organic matter I can find gets put into the red clay
>>76595255
>It's not true socialism
I love the champagne socialist telling the Venezuelan subsisting purely on mangoes that his country didn't implement "true socialism" anyway.
It make me proud to know that no matter how many times people fail at implementing Socialism there is always one more arrogant socialist thinking, no this time it will work.
What are they doing with the tourist industry?
Seems like things are so fucked that even the resorts can't stay open.
>>76596828
Duck shit doesn't have to be composted either.
Ducks > Chickens
>>76597095
>Drug lord military takes over
>Oi it's Socialism! See! Capitalism rocks!
>Ignore the fact that the drug lords are making money on capitalism fine
Next time you're American and want to opine about something, don't.
>>76597057
The worms in my compost pile are so comfy I have to stop and get them out of the way so I don't hurt them with shovels, picks, rakes, hoes, and other implements of destruction.
It's like the symbiosis of lichen breaking down the rocks.
>>76596942
Why did you feel like saying anything at all?
I usually preface that now a days because I think it underscores how much I respect their knowledge of a certain practice. Not that I agree or disagree with their religion.
Happy now.
>>76597142
some resorts are owned by the socialist elites
tourism is down, but famous sites like Canaima, Salto Angel, etc, are still visited by tourists heavily favored by the exchange rate
>>76574356
So will the end come before or after feudalism?
Why is LatAm so obsessed with socialism? Don't they know it doesn't work?
>>76597095
White people can into socialism, so can Chinks.
The browner you are the harder you fail. Also, vodka niggers.
