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Catholicism is the worst denomination of Christianity. It is downright heretical and goes against everything that the Bible preaches and talks about. Like for example praying to Mary or other Saints even though the Bible clearly states that only God can hear prayers. Why is Catholicism so evil?
>>76518149
>A heretic calling someone a heretic
P O E T I C
>>76518272
Martin Luther was right in his reforms and grievances against the corrupt church, I don't know who you are calling a heretic.
>>76518441
>Martin Luther
>right
yeah right he was really right on his invented theology
>>76518149
The Protestant movement gave way to some of the most oppressive and backwards religions known to man, besides Islam.
Martin Luther failed.
>>76518615
and what did Catholicism give way to? oh that's right burning at the stake.
>>76518272
Shouldn't you be whipping your self
Catholicism = paganism
Protestantism = atheism
>>76518711
>implying that burning Jews, Muslims, and Protestant heretics are bad
If ppl will allow us to do that again Im willing to do so
>>76518149
Catholicism is an amalgamation of all the religions ever practiced by the human race.
You don't need to research much too see that Christianity in practice has nothing to do with Christianity in books.
In practice, it's as pagan as you can get, with all the lust and gold shrines, and the kings, conquests and wars made in God's name. Its warlike image, its distorted message, 2000 years of preaching love and tolerance, but love and tolerance is nowhere to be found.
God, Jesus, and the saints are not different than the pantheon of pagan gods. Even our rites and traditions are intertwined with pagan practices.
There are ofcourse some weak parts, as the notion of Christ being a kike, but generally, worshiping Christ means that you're following in the glorious footsteps of our European ancestors.
>>76518149
True. Catholicism is also pro-race mixing
Catholicism = Mestizos, Haiti
Protestantism = Gilded Age America
>>76518272
based Philippines
>>76519016
Bashing protestants for accepting gays wont work because your pope basically said it was alright to be gay and an atheist.
>>76518149
Marthin Luther is in hell
>>76519286
The problem is did he really said that...
>>76519286
>Pope says gay marriage is from satan
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/pope-francis-same-sex-marriage-move-father-lies-total-rejection-gods-law
>Pope Francis speaks against Gay adoption
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2013/12/pope-francis-shocked-by-gay-adoption-urges-bishop-to-speak-against-it-boldly/
>Compares trans rights to nuclear arms race
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/pope-francis-compares-arguments-for-transgender-rights-to-nuclear-arms-race-10061223.html
>Pope Francis says that there's no salvation outside the Church
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2013/06/03/pope-francis-is-under-attack-for-saying-that-outside-the-church-there-is-no-salvation-its-a-poke-in-the-eye-says-one-presbyterian-why-hes-wrong/
>He excommunicates an Australian priest supporting gay marriage and women clergy
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/24/pope-francis-excommunicates-priest-greg-reynolds_n_3983059.html
>Pope Francis is against gender theory and for traditional gender roles
http://ncronline.org/blogs/francis-chronicles/pope-francis-gender-theory-problem-not-solution
>Pope is against abortion
http://www.lifenews.com/2015/09/23/pope-francis-on-abortions-innocent-victims-its-wrong-to-look-the-other-way-or-remain-silent/
>He Encourages the use of force against ISIS
http://www.businessinsider.com/pope-francis-endorses-use-of-force-against-isis-in-iraq-2014-8
>Pope Francis is against lukewarm "faith"
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-off-the-cuff-to-priests-religious-indifference-makes-god-vomit-69700/
>The Pope is misquoted often
http://www.christianpost.com/buzzvine/7-times-pope-francis-was-misquoted-132679/
>The Pope Rebukes Communist Cross
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/bolivia/11729834/Pope-rebukes-Bolivias-President-Evo-Morales-for-gift-of-crucifix-mounted-on-hammer-and-sickle.html
>>76518149
you godtards should all fucking kill yourselves
>>76519566
t. r/Autism
>>76519541
protestcucks btfo
>>76519612
>>76519611
>>76519541
Irrelevant countries trying to bash Protestantism. Too funny
>>76519738
not an argument
>this triggers the Catholic
>>76519898
ok
>>76519738
They dont understand there isn't a "Protestant" sect...rather a church that rejects the Catholic Church...the Catholics literally have thousands of years showing how corrupt it is.
>>76519898
>the goodest of the goyim writing a book bitching about his masters
classic
>>76520017
so rather than fixing it inside like what St. Francis of Assisi did, you fgts will separate and be bashful on how you are enlightened from a group of people instead? You are no different from the communists
>>76518149
Actually Evangelicals are the worst m8
Let me point out my main problems with Catholicism and lets see if you can refute them instead of posting memes:
Worship of Saints
Indulgences and paying money for forgiveness
The Pope as a mediator instead of Christ
Harsh punishments and death
Priests cannot marry or have a family
Rampant corruption
The idea of works vs. grace of God
And so much more!
>Catholics compared to Protestants in North America are overwhelmingly for gay marriage, while more Protestants are against it
Idk about Europe, but in murica and Canada, cathocucks are sjw.
>>76520017
>can't agree on anything
>only that they hate the Church of Christ
thank you for confirming us your satanic nature
>>76519541
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>>76520200
How many times do we have to repeat these things really? Are protcucks really brain dead or some sort of a collection of mentally retarded rednecks? Maybe I should make a notepad
fucking disgusting wannabe jews (((protestants)))
catholics >>>>>>>
>>76520388
hmm no arguments I see. Good job defending your heresy!
Why are Catholic countries poor? Is it because Catholicism is inherently communist?
>>76518149
>It is downright heretical and goes against everything that the Bible preaches and talks about.
>Muh filthy catholic heretic who are against the Gay marriage and Gay female bishop
Kill yourself degenerate satanist
>>76520565
But their church does not represent me, your Pope represents your whole pagan religion.
>>76520200
>Worship of Saints
we don't worship them
>Indulgences and paying money for forgiveness
Nobody pays money for forgiveness
>The Pope as a mediator instead of Christ
Christ is the mediator, the Pope is the vicar of Christ. See their relationship as that of a prime minister and his secretary.
>Harsh punishments and death
Divine justice demands those things, not the Church
>Priests cannot marry or have a family
Priesthood is a marriage to God, it is a sacrifice in wholeness of one's servitude only to Christ and His flock
>Rampant corruption
There is corruption in all human endeavours. Having more than 1 billion catholics, it is proportionately a lot less corrupted than the average prottie church
>The idea of works vs. grace of God
You simply don't understand how it works 2bh
>And so much more!
so much more bullshit
>>76520218
And how do Catholics explain that most Catholics vote for liberals and their SJW policies?
>>76520519
are you fucking braindead ? communism is literally anti-catholic and catholics fought communism everywhere
>>76520671
>We don't worship them
>>76520700
They don't. Statistically Protestants are more conservative. They can't argue this.
>>76520519
Why are Jews so good at getting rich? When you follow satan you are rewarded in this life. When you follow Jesus you are rewarded in the next
>Is it because Catholicism is inherently communist?
Catholicism is the only ideology that actively fights both communism and capitalism. Both of which are things invented by the Jews. You are extremely blue-pilled if you don't know that.
>>76518149
Why is Martin Luther so fucking ugly? No way God would make the founder of his church look like a rotten potatoe.
>>76520775
>>We don't worship them
we don't. That statue, just like a painting in a church, is simply a visual aid to prayer. In our prayers we ask saints to pray for us. Basically we pray together with the saints just like you pray together with another person on earth.
>>76519541
Then why's he a commie?
>>76520926
You literally pray to Mary you degenerate jesus hating pagan
>>76520775
>Statistically Protestants are more conservative.
Sure m8
>>76518149
Right now yes, the leadership of the Catholic Church are an organized band of pedophiles. Disobedience to the Satanic Pope is obedience to God.
>>76520936
John Paul II was incredibly anti-communist. Popes have different political ideas just like all people. That has no effect on doctrine ffs. You guys care about the Pope 1000 times more than catholics do.
>>76520964
We don't pray to Mary, we ask for her intercession. Just like you ask a friend to pray for you, we ask Mary to pray for us
Let's see what Luther thinks about this.
>>76521004
Nice meme. The scouts (Catholic) passed gay marriage in the USA. The Pope loves refugees. Some Protestants do, but not all.
>Catholics literally worship an AIDS ridden faggot.
>>76521135
>Nice meme. The scouts (Catholic) passed gay marriage in the USA
Judge Scalia (catholic) was literally killed because he was the only hindrance to gay marriage being passed. Catholic judges are the ones who actually voted against. Stay mad leaf
>>76521004
They why do Catholics vote more liberal, while Southern Baptists and Missouri Synod Lutherans tend to be more conservative?
>>76521135
Scouts = / = Catholic Church.
There is no gay bishopos or priests in the Catholic Church, but among the protestant heretics this is very common to be gay
Daily reminder that protestants are shabbos goyim responsible for the spread of usury in western europe as well as egalitarianism.
Catholics are basically the same shit too and shitskins.
>>76521275
Catholics argue with emotion and memes. We have already been over this.
>>76521275
You will notice that Orthodox Christians are even more liberal even though Eastern Europe is very conservative.
It is not about the denomination, but about the cultural context. Most american """"caholitcs""""" are either lukewarm or mexicans, the latter of which would of course vote democrats. Protestants are more associated to parts of the countries that are less multicultural (hence democrats) and more conservative.
Furthermore, if we take your chart as proof that one religion is better than the other than the mormons are the one true church and everone else is a heretic. Basically Catholics could be the biggest democrats in the world, it still wouldn't change they are part of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church and that protties are heretics
>>76521570
>memes
>>76519541
>The Pope is misquoted often
>kek
>>76521599
>Catholics are more conservative
>Catholics don't have to be conservative you are wrong!
>>76520481
okies then let me do the job for you
>Worship of saints
Venerate is different from adoration ffs if that is what you mean (which is clearly is). It is like honoring the heroes who defended, guided, and nourished, in this case, the Universal Church. In fact, honoring the dead is in the fucking bible you pretty much adore like some God.
>In Genesis 49:2-27, Jacob pronounced a prophetic blessing on his sons, and concerning Judah he stated: "Judah, your brothers shall praise you; your hand shall be on the neck of your enemies; your father’s sons shall worship [shakhah] you (49:8)." And in Exodus 18:7, Moses honored his father-in-law, Jethro: "Moses went out to meet his father-in-law, and worshiped [shakhah] him and kissed him; and they asked each other of their welfare, and went into the tent."
And if you are thinking that we literally bow down to statues, consider have an IQ test
>Indulgences
Ahhh the never ending Indulgences meme. There was no outright setting of an amount for indulgences but rather the alms that accompany with since corrupt bishops use this authority and excuse for charitable expenses but we will never know. THATS WHY WE HAD THE COUNCIL OF TREANT to review this system of alms giving.
>The Pope as a mediator
Look, he is the head of Apostolic successors (bishops, priests) which dated back from St. Peter (1st Pope; Matthew 16:19) and since Jesus gave him the Authority to be the lead Apostle, he is by default an ambassador of God on Earth (take note; ambassador, not mediator nor God).
>>76521771
I was going to reply and ask you if you can read, but then I noticed your flag.
Your president requests that you shut up and bow down to your italian masters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kueNRRKUNys
>>76521762
not an argument
>>76521275
have you heard about Cafeteria Catholics? Have you heard about Catholics for Choice? If not, kys senpai. If that poll is made in every parish in the US that would be different
>>76520327
+1 for True. Lot of protestant sucks, except for Calvanist. Calvinism and Puritanism is pretty much more Traditional and Orthodox
The Catholic Church is the One True Church promised to us 2000 years ago by our Lord Jesus Christ. Only Eastern Orthodox can make anything near the same claim as the RCC; God himself gave us the Church and doubting that is doubting God's promises.
Every grievance that is hurled at the Church is answerable in the fullest capacity, take heed. Why do protestant and heretical sects hate the One True Holy and Apostolic RCC so much? Because they cannot claim apostolic authority, they cannot claim to be the One True Church, because THAT Church is the Church that has descended from the 12 disciples and the authority given to Saint Peter by our Lord.
They say things like "the Catholic Church doesn't believe in the bible" when all they are really saying is "the Catholic Church doesn't preach MY PERSONAL interpretation of the bible." There is only ONE True Church, brothers and sisters, and that Church is the only church which retains the authority to administer the 7 sacraments of God.
I will pray for you all today at mass, that you may open your hearts to the fullness of Truth present in the Catholic Church. If you don't understand, if you have qualms, I only ask that you look with open and honest hearts in sincerely discerning God's will in your life, which is that all men should come to experience the fullness of the Catholic faith. May God bless you all.
"If the world hate you, know ye, that it hath hated me before you."
>Apostolic Succession as originally promised by our Lord Jesus Christ to St. Peter and the Apostles: http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/what-is-the-biblical-support-for-apostolic-succession
>Seven Sacraments that bring us closer to God and more fully into his Grace: http://www.americancatholic.org/features/special/default.aspx?id=29
>Miracle of lady without pupils that was given sight by our Lord via the intercession of Padre Pio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp9TgyjlnS0
>>76518149
Luther was simply a medieval SJW.
Roman Empire falls apart, the only thing that hold the former roman territories together is the catholic faith. The Church has to establish a government, so Europe doesn't turn 180° back to pagan bumfuckery and stabbings over a loaf of bread.
Church helps to stabilize Europe. Introduction Martin Luther, the church is stupid, they take money from people, my fee-fees hurt.
fuck this guy
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>>76521322
>eeeekkkksssss deeeeeeee teh pope kisses nigger feet
we all know that he's under EU pressure so we dont blame him
>>76522071
You have to go back, Pablo.
>>76522175
this is painful to look at. What a mockery! Truly the work of Satan and his deceit!
>>76522175
those are protestants
>>76518149
I'm not even religious and I know that this is a crock of shit, mate. Catholicism is pretty shit-tier now, but throughout history some of the greatest contributions to society at large have come from Catholics.
>>76520936
Because he's a Jesuit. Most Catholic clergy that are huge leftists are Jesuits.
>>76522290
She does not represent me. The Pope represents you though.
>>76522224
>Luther was a medieval SJW
Literally fucking this. Protestantism is the origin of Christian cuckdom, faith without works was never not a mistake.
>>76522094
>>76522060
“Even if the Pope were Satan incarnate, we ought not to raise up our heads against him, but calmly lie down to rest on his bosom. He who rebels against our Father is condemned to death, for that which we do to him we do to Christ: we honor Christ if we honor the Pope; we dishonor Christ if we dishonor the Pope. I know very well that many defend themselves by boasting: “They are so corrupt, and work all manner of evil!” But God has commanded that, even if the priests, the pastors, and Christ-on-earth were incarnate devils, we be obedient and subject to them, not for their sakes, but for the sake of God, and out of obedience to Him.” - St. Catherine of Siena
>>76522224
>Luther was a SJW
u wot m8?
>"Hitler was not the first to advocate getting rid of disabled people: in medieval Germany Martin Luther strongly endorsed the killing of disabled babies as 'incarnations of the devil'." (Coleridge, 1993, pp. 45-46)
>>76522406
Yes and then he'll die and we get a new one. You're stuck with you women bishops.
>>76518149
Does protestantism have a world-renowned leader? Checkmate Protestants.
>>76518149
Is it true he ate his own fecal meter?
>>76522406
well, the cardinals chose a leftard from Latin America in all places. I rather have a nigger pope like Based Cardinal Sarah than a marxist
>>76522313
I am Scots-Irish, Canadian friend.
>>76522224
An SJW? Really? That is pretty stupid imo. Luther was the only one against papal corruption and the kikes. Nothing wrong with the church unless the pope and the priests overstep their Biblical authority. The Catholic church had been infiltrated and was at that time was a cryptojew scam,. And Luther fixed them up.
Read "On the Jews and their Lies" by Martin Luther.
>>76522660
America is built on protestantism. Not socialist Catholicism.
>>76522590
hey he hated cripples, like nearly everybody in this time period.
But don't forget that he was the spark that created a bunch of medieval communists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabaptists
>>76522739
and? I am not obliged to submit to nationalism, friend. I am a obliged to submit to the will of the Lord my God.
>>76522508
The Bible is clear that works are the fruits of faith, that we are saved through faith alone.
Catholics are being taken over by Progressivism. The new pope is a cuck SJW, washing the feets of trannies and bowing down to mud people and sodomites. The vatican is on its way to becoming a museum, with catholics replacing their faith with Progress and Harvard, suffering the fruits of idoltary as their civilization declines
>>76522739
yeah coz Americans tagged Catholics as witches and hanged them simply because they were Catholics (eg; Salem Witch Trials). How funny how these protcucks are so backward in 18th century
>>76518149
>the only religion that teaches kids that jews are evil
Who could be behind this post?
>>76522855
>Christian judean as opposed to pauline
>implying judaizers are not a later development and a heresy
>>76522924
What ???
>>76522855
>Nestorian
>Islamic
>>76522863
Catholicism is anti American and anti jesus.
>>76522924
literally this. Why is the Pope making apologies for Jews? Because for 2000 years prior.... let's just say we weren't very nice to them
>>76522672
Go back to worshipping your demons and let the actually civilized people talk ok?
>>76522924
"The Vatican released a document Thursday addressing relations between Catholics and Jews. Some outlets have reported that the statement includes an "unprecedented" finding that Jews can achieve "salvation" without being converted to belief in Jesus. "
The catholic church is already cucked. But look at what the protestants are preaching:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=styLx-iWwC8
>>76523121
You simply don't know what you're talking about. Please run along now.
>>76523121
JFK was Catholic. Was he not pro-American?
>>76523167
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/pope-exonerates-jews-for-death-of-jesus-1.346699
>>76523253
>Brazil
>Civilized
Oh wait, another poor Catholic country. (Like most of them)
>>76523256
Steven Anderson is great. I never considered myself REALLY religious but I think he is changing my mind. He trashes faggots big time, and its hilarious.
>>76523086
In catholic schools, and also to make the 1st communion you are taught many lessons, some of them allude to jews killing Jesus, and jews being enemies of catholicism. Rest of lessons usually involve learning proper catholic rites and prayers (We have like dozen or hundreds of prayers) and also stuff like 10 commandments, 7 cardinal sins, etc....
>>76521861
>first pope
Hows that beast ride goin? I cannot wait for the Lord to return.
>Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. >Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of >thistles?
>Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth >forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth >evil fruit.
>Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil >fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good >fruit.
>Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth >good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
>Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall >know them.
>Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, >Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of >heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father >which is in heaven.
>Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, >Lord, >Lord, have we not prophesied in thy >name? and in thy name have cast out devils? >and in thy name done many wonderful works?
>Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I >never knew you: depart from me, ye that work >iniquity.
History is full of the fruits and works of the catholic church. Judge for yourselves.
>>76523256
>implying the pope said that and it's not clickbait journalism that claims it
even if the Pope said "gas the kike race war now" the Jews would still pretend he said the opposite. That's their tactic basically.
>>76522907
That's not what that was. Salem was a highly isolated backwater of Protestants killing each other to acquire real estate, and the idea of witchcraft was laughed at as near as Boston.
>>76523427
>cherrypicking verses out of context
>implying the Bible is a continuous prophetic book
>>76523405
It says several times in the bible that the Jews killed Jesus, and when it implicates the Romans instead, it says that the jews handed Him over...
but what am I talking about, Catholics are "against the bible" my bad
>>76523427
>the bible says what I want it to say
lmao
also Matthew 7:21 refers to protestants, who call on the name of Jesus but neither are part of his Chuch nor follow his commandments because they see them as "useless works"
>>76523427
>history is full of the fruits and works of the catholic church
>Judge for yourselves.
I have, and that's why I'm Catholic. That, and because I love Jesus and love to obey his commands.
Praytell, what is your knowledge of history?
Did you read internet articles? Take high school history courses in the US? You know nothing of real history.
>>76523595
>accusing the authors of the Bible not to follow it
>literally posting a Roman Catholic cathedral
top kek nigger what are you doing?
>>76518149
PROTTIE HERETICS GET OUT OF MY /POL/
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>76523781
reread my post>>76523595
and make note of the use of quotations, Mexibro
>>76523497
http://www.executedtoday.com/2013/11/16/1688-goodwife-ann-glover-salem-trial-run/
Pretty much a Martyr than a """""witch""""""
Also
>Mary Queen of Scotland beheaded simply for being a Catholic
>John II beheaded simply for being a Catholic
>Thousands thrown from bell towers, hanged in public, and etc. just for being a Catholic
And then you fuckers whine about muh Crusads and Inquisition which was pretty much a court that aims not for you heretics to be thrown out in a pit of fire by angry mobs? We should just let them do that instead if these are the things you fuckers repay to us after we prevented burning ppl
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>>76523929
sorry i forgot to use the /sarcasm/ indicator
>>76522874
≥The Bible is clear that works are the fruits of faith, that we are saved through faith alone.
Except you know in James 2 "faith without works is dead".
>>76523929
fugg you are right, my bad. I am quite sleepy at the moment so I am not that perceptive
>>76523595
I love churches like that
>protties
>>76524019
Ephesians 2:9
“Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
>>76523253
I'm a Christian you spear-chucking spick retard. As a heretic, you most likely worship the devil
>>76518149
>Like for example praying to Mary or other Saints even though the Bible clearly states that only God can hear prayers.
You pray to the Saints so that you can have prayer buddies with you when you are praying to God.
>>76524019
Protestants hate the book of James; but they'll never admit it. Luther himself tried to remove it from his "canon" along with Jude, Hebrews, Revelation, etc.
The catholic churches has been fighting the jews for centuries, the protestants have been siding with them since the beginning.
Money, egocentrism and materialism brought them together.
Luther might have ended his life hating the jew, but the one behind his reform were the jews themselves. Luther was a sjw fighting for the jew against the Church till he got buttraped by them, changed his mind and had to go full holoax-style stance: full-denial on his mistake.
Europe was united, RCC wasn't perfect but still better than worse, then came the cuck and his reform.
Great job Luther, divide and conq... let your masters conquer.
>>76524150
>Sweden
That explains it.
>>76524150
the funniest thing about this is that they already had women bishops, so they had to ordain a lesbian one to make it newsworthy.
>>76524056
No problem, friend.
>>76524124
Wow that's amazing. Have anymore like it?
>>76524348
/thread
>>76524367
So the next one must be a nigger trans lesbian vegan?
>>76524299
Protty here, James is one of my favourite books of the NT.
I go back in time and send him to jesus
Mark 12:38
And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,
>>76524574
nah, that's not progressive enough. The next time they will probably choose an anti-christian bishop from the new atheism movement. They'll say "to preserve plurality and neutrality in our religion it is of utmost importance to have someone who is not biased in favor of it running our institution".
>Chatolics
http://nypost.com/2016/04/22/pope-francis-reneges-on-offer-to-take-in-christian-refugees/
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2016/05/17/pope-francis-hails-election-of-sadiq-khan-as-mayor-of-london/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/29/pope-francis-migrants-not-danger-danger/
http://mobile.wnd.com/2016/05/pope-shocker-promotes-socialism-likens-jesus-to-isis/
http://www.infowars.com/pope-francis-likens-jesus-to-isis-says-muslims-migrants-must-breed-with-europeans/
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>>76518917
Look at this Whore of Babylon Cuckolic circle-jerk going on.
You mad, Papists?
>>76524773
>Swedes
>>76524348
He even asked the Sacrament of penance from his friend priest and admitted his mistakes in his deathbed.
>>76524898
Literally the only compelling reason people had to join the Romanist church was the threat of death. Sounds like a great gig you got going on Luigi.
>>76525064
>Literally the only compelling reason people had to join the Romanist church was the threat of death
lolwat, who told you that, one of your prottie "priests"
>>76525064
what? I thought that is what the Protestants are doing? Look at Jehovahs witnesses, Westboro, Southern Baptists, Mormons, etc.
>>76524733
>nah, that's not progressive enough
Seem pretty progressive to me.
>>76525064
Not true, but even if it was, better to kill a hundred heretics than to let them take millions of other souls with them to hell
>>76525163
>muh "No salvation outside of the Church (of Rome"
>muh Inquisition
et tu, WASP Aussie?
>>76518149
Amen.
The Roman Catholic Church is built on Roman Catholic Church tradition, which has nothing to do with the gospel of Jesus Christ.
>>76524587
So let me ask you, do you need good works? Or is faith enough?
Reminder
>>76525171
None of those groups you mentioned are Protestant. Protestant denotes those groups who came out of the Catholic church in protest. None of those groups were even around at the time of the Reformation.
>>76518919
Yup. A virulently anti-semetic Catholic friar.
Most Catholics are virulently anti-semetic, just like Catholic friar Martin Luther was.
>>76518994
We can pin a starting point to it; we can pin it to the builder of the Tower of Babel, Nimrod (Jupiter) and his wife Semiramis (Isis, the Queen of Heaven) and their "resurrected" son, Tammuz.
>>76525458
>None of those groups were even around at the time of the Reformation.
The delusion is real. There were no baptists before 1500, deal with it. You are protestants and are still protesting
>>76525402
You need faith, and works come as a result.
>>76520671
BTFO
>>76519898
No Catholic Martin Luther, no "On the Jews and Their Lies", no Adolph Hitler, no "Mein Kampf", no Holocaust.
>>76520178
Nothing was "fixed" because the entire system is ungodly.
>>76522655
BASED
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Didn't Luther just wish to reform the Catholic Church? Not create a new sect of Christianity
I don't know i'm new to all this stuff
>>76525346
>Australia
>WASP
Australia is a majority Catholic country m80
>>76525302
How'd that work out for you, Mario? Did killing hundreds or even millions of "heretics" stop the spread? No, because "the gates of Hell" won't prevail against the true saints. Go ahead, kill us all, at least we know we're secure in our salvation through Jesus Christ. We do not fear men, you can only kill the body. We fear God, who will destroy body and soul in hell for eternity.
>>76525616
No Martin Luther, no reform, no place for jews to prosper, no possibility for jews to get rich in protestant lands during centuries using debts, no possibility for jews to finance revolutions throughout Europe, no possibility for jews to dissolve the white race and civilisation.
NO JEWS in Europe since the beginning.
>>76520671
You pray to idols of them. That's worship. You light candles to them. That's worship. You think they can hear your prayers and interact with reality on your behalf. That's worship.
Your church is priceless because it charged money for indulgences, after stealing the papal estates via the fraudulent and forged Donation of Constantine.
You just called the Pope the Antichrist. Congrats. Something true.
Gays seeking to not abuse boys find shelter, and boys, and cover, in your church. And opportunity. And then they get moved to new places for more opportunities. These things do not happen in a vacuum, and they do not happen outside the sight of God. Your church is an abomination before a holy God.
To God, your entire church is corrupt, while to God, every single born again Christian is imputed the righteousness of Christ Jesus Himself.
You don't understand that the works of the Law do not lead to salvation, nor do you know what the work of the Father is. Your ignorance is intentional, and taught to you by your handlers.
There were 20 things he could have said about your worship of Mary that he did not, and abominations made ex cathedra.
>>76525721
Oh right, forgot you goys were sent there because you're all of England's undesirables. Muh bad.
>>76518149
>>76518272
>schismatic heretics calling other schismatic heretics heretics
This, here, is true poetry.
>>76525452
But you can worship her, which Jesus did not do.
Other things Jesus did not do. Call her "mother". Call her the "mother of God". Call her the "queen of heaven".
That's all on you momma's boys.
>>76525708
He was overly optimistic in his original goals. Must have underestimated Rome's retardation. Obviously it didn't work out that way.
>>76525708
Correct. And for pointing out their wickedness, they excommunicated him, made a few superficial changes, and ordained an order of assassins to kill all of the Christians. The Jesuits are an order of assassins.
>>76525954
Martin Luther means nothing to me, and my Lord is a Jew. He's also the richest being in the universe.
>>76526023
>the prottie heretic shows his true colours.
Not surprised at all m8. I'll pray that you become a true Christian.
>>76526104
Heretics profess things contrary to the Word of God.
Things like "Vicar of Christ", and the "Immaculate Conception of Mary".
>"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
>>>>>>Protestans
>>76518149
THEY'RE BRINGING INDULGENCES!
>>76525974
>You eat hamburgers from McDonald's. That's worship.
Stopped reading there. Someone is triggered.
>>76526440
THEY'RE BRINGING HERESY!
>>76523121
> a fucking leaf
>>76526469
THEY'RE PAPISTS!
>>76526442
When pagans have idols that they lay food out for, and burn incense to, and pray to, the catholics call them idolaters.
Somehow, they seem oblivious to the fact that they're doing the exact same things.
>>76526442
Even your pictures lie.
We ask Mary and the saints to pray for us, just like you ask a friend to pray for you.
If you believed the Apostles' Creed you would believe in, "the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints".
Protestant polemics against Catholicism are almost entirely dishonest, based on fear, wilful ignorance, and ridiculous slogans.
Protestants should just be honest and admit that they don't want any authority ruling over them, that they want to make up their own God and their own church based on their own thoughts and their own feelings.
>>76526362
Reminder that there's the whole filioque heresy stuff.
Not as bad as some of the shit protestants do.
>>76526440
>>76526469
>>76526499
THEY'RE BRINGING THE MEMES!
>>76526564
Do you ask your dead friends to help you move?
>>76526564
The fact that you admit that you want worldly authority to rule over you confirms to any reasonable person that you're afraid to deal with God directly.
As does your penchant for asking Jesus' mommy for things that should be directed to the Father.
>>76526576
The schism between the two legs of the statue, the catholic and the orthodox, is meaningless to me. Neither has any relationship with the Holy Spirit.
Reading about Obama is different than being Obama's friend for 30 years.
>>76526525
Saints are people who have done the will of God here on Earth, and so we honor them and ask them to pray for us.
I love how every single one of these threads eventually devolve into Protestants hurling empty accusations and making straw man caricatures. Never fails to amuse me.
Mary was a hot qt. I would totally hit on her.
>>76526410
>Matthew 7:13-14
“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy1 that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
>Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons vin your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
>implying the majority of Catholics or Protestants are true Christians anyway
Where are we told what the will of the Father is, senpai? Some old pedo's in fancy robes or the Word of God?
>>76526525
We honour saints, not worship them. This is literally the same argument muzrats use accusing all of christians of being pagans because of the trinity.
>>76526829
No, that's Roman Catholic saints.
Real saints are born again Christians.
You're attempting to speak to the dead. That's forbidden by the bible. Of course people who take the bible seriously are going to object to your blasphemies and abominations.
>>76525708
>Didn't Luther just wish to reform the Catholic Church?
Luther was an extremely emotional and self-centred man. He wanted to reform the Church in his image, and when the Church refused he decided to make his own man-made sect instead.
If you want to look up a legitimate reformer of the Catholic Church, look up St. Charles Borromeo.
>>76520519
Can literally be traced back to methods colonial management, enjoy your mismanaged fire and muslim pm.
>>76527011
You do the same things the pagans do.
The exact same things, for the exact same reasons.
>>76526782
I'll grant you that.
What about the whole papal primacy crap though?
>>76527129
Maybe he objected to popes having homosexual orgies in the Vatican with 10 year old boys.
>>76527216
One group wants one leader, the other wants a group of leaders.
Both are ungodly aspirations.
>>76527096
>more senseless accusations and anti-Catholic memes
I get it, we don't follow the bible. Let's agree to disagree on that point, friend.
I would like to know where you get the understanding to interpret the bible. When you're reading the bible and come across something that you don't completely understand or know how to place in proper context, whose authority do you look to in order to discern the correct interpretation?
If its your own, please admit it.
>>76522175
Det är ju för fan Antje Jackelen din dumfan
>>76527279
Today I learned having any sort of clerical structure is "ungodly aspiration".
Next you'll tell me that allowing the rise of protestant ultraheresies is a good thing.
So, protestants are telling us that Gates of Hell prevailed the Church for more than 1500 years ("insert-time-between-creation-of-my-denomination-and-Death-of-Christ-here")? Huh, really makes you think...
>>76527303
Protestants believe the Holy Spirit gives supernatural understanding of the Word of God. Unsaved people without the indwelling Holy Spirit cannot receive the truth of it. Many Protestants are not saved and do not have the Holy Spirit to properly interpret Scripture.
>>76526850
>Hiting on the embodiment of chastity and purity
Degenerate ape
>>76527303
You say you follow the bible, and then demonstrate that you follow your own traditions on what a saint is.
People voted on by Roman Catholics.
That's not what the bible says saints are. Maybe you should figure out the difference and aspire to become a real saint, per the Word of God, per Jesus Christ Himself.
I have something you do not have when it comes to reading and understanding the bible, and that is the indispensable presence of the Holy Spirit of God literally living within me, leading me, teaching me, and guiding me.
>>76527502
I denounce heresy when I see it.
The problem is, you consider "heresy" to be anything against the Roman Catholic Church.
That is not the proper understanding of what a heresy it.
I would never defend what I consider to be godless churches marrying gay people, teaching fallacies like "God wants you to be wealthy!" or any such nonsense. When people here try to teach such drivel, they get the same treatment the papists get.
>>76518149
http://illbehonest.com/
>>76526261
>my Lord is a Jew
Typical protesticuck Jesus was a Judean(Hebrew of the tribe of Judah) not a filthy hook nosed kike.
>>76527506
What does that mean to you? Did the Catholic Church invade hell (the hell that God made) and batter down its gates?
What does "the gates of hell" mean to you?
>>76523595
I'd nail that church door
>>76527534
She consummated her marriage to Joseph and had many children with him, including two who wrote books of the bible.
I just want to find a church that doesn't have a lot of extra material that are traditions outside of what the Bible says, and a de-emphasis on saint veneration and icons, as I find it too close to icon worship and worshiping outside of God.
>>76527779
If you have a problem with Jesus being the Seed of Abraham, the Root of David, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, and the King of the Jews, you have a problem with Jesus, not with me.
Protestants, if you think that the Bible is divinely inspired, what gives you the write to interpret and teach it? How can a human mind interpret and teach a divine text? Only a divine mind can do that, so you must think that you are directly enlightened by the Holy Spirit. But if you are directly enlightened by the Holy Spirit, why do you always contradict one and other? Is God the author of contradiction?
Think about this with just a bit of common sense. If I come across a book I believe was written by God, I wouldn't just declare myself to be God's prophet and go around teaching other people what God's book means. That would be like making myself God, putting words into God's mouth. It's an act of incredible pride. If I came across such a book I would ask where it came from. Then I would discover that it came from the Catholic Church codifying the works of ancient prophets and apostles. The Catholic Church declares the authority to teach this work, saying that the Church has been given the Holy Spirit to teach the Bible authoritatively. And, sure enough, they have taught the same doctrine for 2000 years despite countless heresies. Meanwhile, the people who declare to have the power to interpret God's word for themselves, the Protestants, are shattered into thousands of pieces and are made to look ridiculous.
Every Protestant is a false prophet. A Protestant is born by reading the Bible, feeling warm or fuzzy, and declaring yourself the enlightened prophet of God Almighty. I think every time a man does this the wrath of God settles on them. It's OK to read the Bible and have an opinion about it, but to act as if your human opinion had any divine authority is absolutely insane. So shut up and keep to yourselves. The only people that have any credibility in declaring the authority to teach God's word are the bishops who have been ordained by older bishops, going back to the apostles. They are the ONLY men on earth that have any kind of authority in this matter.
>>76527860
proof?
>>76527865
Good luck. Such churches are disappearing off the face of the earth in favor of people meeting in each other's homes, and keeping it small, as they did in the beginning.
>>76527865
http://illbehonest.com/
https://9marks.org/
https://www.gty.org/
Catholicism isn't a denomination. It is Christianity. Literally everything else is derivative of Catholicism. You would have to be completely ignorant of history to say otherwise.
>>76527741
>The problem is, you consider "heresy" to be anything against the Roman Catholic Church.
How the fuck did you not grasp the fact I'm Orthodox.
>That is not the proper understanding of what a heresy it.
No, you don't understand what heresy is. Heresy is something that goes against dogma of your denomination. Of course, protestants are so heretical that each of them is a denomination in reality, since each one has completely different views.
>When people here try to teach such drivel, they get the same treatment the papists get.
Angry looks every now and then and sometimes saying "you're wrong" in a shy voice?
>>76518149
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>>76528040
... you meant to write "Orthodoxy."
>>76527926
Jews are mongrel, they aren't real hebrews.
God warned us about the false Judean(jew) who call themselves jews.
I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. 9Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
>>76527948
Because not all Protestants are saved, senpai. Jesus said the way is narrow and very few people (Protestant or Catholic) find it. By your logic, how does the priests and bishops know that they are properly interpreting things? They are just humans too.
>>76527948
If you choose to teach the Word of God, you ask God to scrutinize and judge you more harshly than if you don't.
People who teach the Word of God to anyone do so because they have to.
The bible was inspired by the same Holy Spirit Who lives in me, and Who teaches me what the bible means. He reveals to me things that I marvel at, things I am in awe of, and things I try to share with people.
Unfortunately, I have found that I can either talk about Jesus, or I can deal with the Catholic nonsense that permeates every serious attempt at religious discussion, but not both. Never both.
Catholics don't know Jesus. To them, He's still on the cross, dead.
You are saying that people are false teachers, and false prophets, all of them, without any basis to do so.
You lie, and the truth is not in you. God gives His children gifts, and among those gifts are the gifts of teaching, and the gifts of prophecy.
>>76528137
Catholics are orthodox.
>>76527957
Matthew 13
Jesus Rejected at Nazareth
Now it came to pass, when Jesus had finished these parables, that He departed from there. When He had come to His own country, He taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished and said, “Where did this Man get this wisdom and these mighty works? Is this not the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, Joses, Simon, and Judas? And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this Man get all these things?” So they were offended at Him.
>>76528040
Catholicism isn't a denomination of Christianity, you're right.
It's Mystery Babylon.
>>76528063
>Heresy is something that goes against dogma of your denomination.
You decry me for not pointing out that you have the exact same definition of heresy as the papists do?
Are you serious?
>>76528154
You have a problem with Jesus, not with me. Take it up with Him.
The Seed of Abraham. The Root of David. The Lion of the Tribe of Judah. The King of the Jews, and the King of Kings.
Take your anti-semetism up with Him.
>>76528137
Whose right, the Catholic bishops or the Orthodox bishops? Well, the Catholic bishops have St. Peter, whom all the Church fathers agree is the highest one, and whose faith Christ promises in the scripture shall never fail. So clearly the Catholic bishops are right and the Orthodox bishops need to come back to Peter where they belong.
If you look into the history of the schism, you find that it was initiated by proud Greeks who wanted to break more for political reasons than anything. There's really no basis for Orthodoxy except ethnic/national/linguistic pride.
>>76528472
Let God be right, and all men wrong.
>>76527821
Gates of Hell: That is, the powers of darkness, and whatever Satan can do, either by himself or his agents. For as the Church is here likened to a house, or fortress, the gates of which, i.e. the whole strength, and all the efforts it can make, will never be able to prevail over the city or Church of Christ. By this promise we are fully assured, that neither idolatry, heresy, nor any pernicious error whatsoever shall at any time prevail over the Church of Christ.
>>76528394
And what exactly is your definition of heresy, then?
>>76528205
>>76528205
>>76527605
>I have something you do not have when it comes to reading and understanding the bible, and that is the indispensable presence of the Holy Spirit of God literally living within me, leading me, teaching me, and guiding me.
How full of yourself do you have to be to make such a claim based only on the fact that you yourself claim it? How deluded lol
You're dangerously close to psychotic, brother.
>>76528552
What do gates do?
>>76528205
What makes you different from a Muslim who declares to be inspired by Allah and his prophet? Or different from a Mormon who declares to be inspired by God?
You have only your SUBJECTIVE feelings/thoughts to claim authority. You have nothing objective and external to prove your authority. In the Old Testament, there was two ways to prove you had religious authority - you either performed miracles (like the prophets), or you were anointed as a priest. Catholic priests are anointed by the sacrament of Holy Orders, and Catholic saints have performed miracles. Protestants do not have miraculous signs or sacramental signs. They have no signs of divine authority whatsoever. They have only their subjective feelings which they assure you are from God (just like Muslims and Mormons do), and no way to prove that their feelings don't come from the demon or from their self-delusion.
I'm not much into theology, but are orthodox less cuck than their western counterparts, or is it simply practiced in based countries?
>>76519501
>I was only pretending to be retarded
>I send people to hell on purpose
Satanic fucking evil. How do you not understand that?
>>76528299
joseph must have really pounded that pussy after jesus was born
>>76528658
>You're dangerously close to psychotic, brother.
He's being honest. This is what all Protestants believe to a greater or less extent. Either they believe that God speaks to them directly and they have divine authority to teach other people, or they think that religion is just a matter of opinion and it doesn't really matter what you believe as long as you're a nice person.
>>76528644
Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.
False teachings contrary to the Word of God.
>>76528658
If you believe in predestination, that is, God in His infinite mercy, chose to save you before the beginning of the world, entirely for His own purposes, and absolutely NOT do to any of your own merit. If you believe that you are a sinful wretch fully deserving of eternal hellfire, yet God chose to save you regardless, then you will be the most humble person in the world. God gets all the glory for the salvation of His children. He then gives them the His word and His Spirit to got forth and tell the world, so that He may gather the rest of His sheep into the fold. No man can come unto the Father, unless the Spirit of God draws him.
>>76528658
You actually have to be full of the Holy Spirit to make that claim, and every born again believer is full of the Holy Spirit.
How arrogant do you have to believe you can understand the things of God without Him in you?
>>76528756
The object of my faith.
The object of my faith is Christ Jesus; the object of the muslim's faith is Ba'al.
>>76527926
maybe you should read some Biblical genealogy before you start shitposting
>Living in Judea
>means being a jew
>>76528472
>There's really no basis for Orthodoxy except ethnic/national/linguistic pride.
This.
>>76518149
Protestantism is heretical mate.
Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_fide
Which is easily refutable:
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
>>76528884
Well said, sorry, I just don't understand how people can believe this kind of thing. Doesn't it just reek of prideful ignorance? I guess it's dismissive to assert that someone is crazy, so I probably shouldn't have done that, but the position itself is insanity.
>>76528996
He does get all the glory, but you're in the same trap Calvin was in.
Before God made the world, God chose all of the people who were going to choose Him, and made plans for us accordingly.
God sees the end from the beginning.
God knew this post before He formed the earth.
>>76528734
...I am being serious right now, can you read?
I'm sorry but what's the difference between a Catholic and a Christian?
>>76529074
Jesus' genealogy back to Adam includes Abraham, Judah and David.
Take your anti-semetism up with the Almighty.
>>76529032
I received the Holy Spirit at baptism. And I received the fullness of the Holy Spirit at Confirmation. But I won't have the audacity to claim infallibility when interpreting the bible like you do.
>>76527534
>not being attracted to perfection
kys heretic
>>76529137
Jesus is talking to tribulation saints there, so no.
The Age of Grace is not the same as the Tribulation. Neither is salvation now the same as salvation then. Neither are the rewards now as opposed to the rewards then. Neither are the conditions now as opposed to the rewards then.
Which, if you had any understanding of the actual bible, you would know.
>>76528795
But he's right, if gays live their lives in accordance with God's teaching they will go to heaven.
Do you also get mad that unrepentant sinners or people who do not accept jesus as their savior go to hell as well?
>>76529249
Catholic is Christian. Everything that is not Catholic is:
1) schismatic (but valid like Orthodox)
2) dirty heretic
>>76528466
I have no problem with him, i have a problem with his murderers, and why are you defending the murderers of Christ ?
>>76529212
He who has the spirit has life; he who has not the spirit has not life.
Being saved is regaining what Adam and Eve lost; the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit.
Romans 8
But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
All I did to get the Holy Spirit to live in me was to consent to the arrangement.
>>76529247
What do gates do?
The gates of hell shall not prevail upon the actual church of Jesus Christ.
What do gates do?
>>76529303
Jesus has samaritan blood too. There was a verse lik "Jew or Greek, Christ is all and in all". This means Christ is without race and thus not jewish.
>>76529249
Different requirements. To be a Catholic, you join the Catholic church, do their rites and rituals, maintain your membership with them, participate in their "sacraments", and generally follow their teachings.
To be a Christian, you must confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart God raised Him from the dead.
To the casual observer, the latter is included in the former.
To anyone with discernment, it is not. It is a supernatural declaration that requires the assistance of God Himself to accomplish.
>>76529072
>the object of my faith
This is precisely the issue m8
Catholics and Protestants both agree that God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) is the object of faith, but they disagree on how that object is communicated to them.
http://shamelesspopery.com/the-protestant-fallacy-that-threatens-to-undermine-christianity/
>>76529350
You got wet at your baptism, and likely got a Certificate at your confirmation.
>>76529462
Salvation is only for Israeelites. God's chosen people ONLY can be saved. Nobody else. Last time I checked nobody here is a descendant of the 12 Tribes of Israel...so really you're all going to hell anyway. Feels good to be Judah lol damn gentiles don't even read the whole bible and nitpick. If you did, you would know this by now. Lol Christ himself only ever spoke to Israelites directly because he only cared for his people not you white faggots.
>>76529462
Nobody can live in accordance with God's teaching, gay straight or otherwise.
What then?
>>76529137
>James 2:14-20
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my[b] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
Faith precedes good works, my friend. Faith enables good works.
On the other hand, no amount of good works will earn truth faith. It's a question of the order.
>>76529572
I believe the "Gates of Hell" are in reference to the invisible yet spiritual barrier between the Mother Church and the whole host of Satanic forces.
I suppose "Gates" in this context are used to refer to walls, yet are named gates because the souls of the departed have the ability to enter it's unholy domain.
>THE NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES
Jesus, the name of a commoner, proper of a rebelling spirit.
Satan, sounds cool as fuck.
Have you noticed if we live in a wolrd where people are fucking evil and liars without any shame? I wonder who this jesus they preach as a god is...
>>76529502
Because I know they didn't kill Him. They wanted to, but He also wanted to get crucified. Nobody killed Jesus; Jesus gave up His spirit and died. He could still be on that cross if He wanted to still be on that cross. He is God.
It's a fantastic dance watching Jesus move the conspiracy against Him like chess pieces, playing both sides.
>>76529489
>but valid
Some Catholics unfortunately don't see this fact.
Valid indeed yet illicit and schismatic.
Valid
>>76529850
Say it: Save me Satan.
You WILL get an answer.
Beats awaiting patiently to receive the reward of the leader of a bunch of people who don't bother about raping children.
>>76529462
That's not what the picture said and that's not what he even said. What are you talking about?
And no that doesn't make me mad. All you need to do is accept Christ though. You don't need to repent for every individual sin to a priest. If you did, no one would make it to heaven. You should repent of every sin you can remember to God though. Jesus' sacrifice has saved us
>Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you WILL be saved
>>76527605
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>>76529794
Please answer the question put to you here >>76527303
>>76529662
Once you are saved, you are no longer what you were. If you were a Jew and got saved, you are now a new creation in Christ Jesus. If you were a Gentile and got saved, you are now a new creation in Christ Jesus.
There are no Jews or Gentiles in the real church; the real church is comprised only of new creations. Human beings who chose to have the Spirit of God restored in them unto eternal life.
>>76529928
the popes have always admitted that Orthodox bishops and priests have valid sacraments
Nah.
Catholischism = Orthocucks > cool heresies > portaprotties
>>76529722
The object of the Catholic's faith is the Roman Catholic Church.
>>76530041
When you're reading the bible and come across something that you don't completely understand or know how to place in proper context, whose authority do you look to in order to discern the correct interpretation?
>>76529948
>Say it: Save me Satan.
why the hell does anyone want that
>>76529779
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life.
Whosoever.
John 3:16
>>76529836
Your beliefs were taught to you by the self-serving Roman Catholic Church, and they are false.
>>76530096
So Satan saves you from dindu nuffins who were gud bois and only raped children while claiming to offer a place in heaven.
>>76529977
I did.
>>76529219
Well I'm a Calvinist, so I will have to say that I think Calvin (and Spurgeon, and Edwards, etc.) got it right.
The total depravity of makind (Ephesians 2, Colossians 2) means that natural man is not capable of choosing God, for natural mankind is at enmity with and hates the things of God. He chooses us, which is the most humbling reality in the universe.
>>76529779
>Ignoring the Great Commission
Die.
>>76518149
it is based on ethnocentric crypto worship of the crypto, triad claw, murrano, sephardi (seraph), "rose"acrutian, kike, morningstar chosen blood line heirarchy
the same way the talmud is an ethnocentric amendment to torah law claiming the trAshkeNazi bignose birdfaces are the morningstar chosen people blood line
just another setup, ponzi scheme, controlled opposition option for the ruling semite tribes to genocide some more gentiles with and blame their halfbreed offcasts wearing blonde wigs
>>76529779
0/10
Read the bible and stop making yourself look like a complete idiot
>>76518149
We don't pray to saints dumbass
>>76530085
I love those times. Those are the times I start meditating on those verses. Those are the times when I fall asleep thinking about those verses. Those are the times I pray for wisdom about those verses.
And those are the times the Holy Spirit slips the answer into my head, and blows my mind.
>>76530243
see>>76530085
You didn't.
>>76529219
The best analogy I have heard is that a dead corpse (natural man) cannot ask for help.
>>76530244
Is a drowning sinner capable of grasping a rope thrown to him?
>>76518917
kek at the angels playing vuvuzela
>>76530085
The authority of the Holy Spirit, God with us.
Or do you not believe?
>>76530350
I answered that one too.
You know we have id's, yes? You can click on my id? See what I posted?
>>76530188
I never said I was Catholic.
And any Christian would consider his particular denomination as the "Mother, First or True Church/Faith"
>>76530379
There are dead people reading this post.
Can they ask for help?
>>76530383
He's not drowning, he's already dead mate. He's a dead, rotting corpse. Total depravity.
Protestants explain
The first clear attitude to emerge on the relation between Scripture, tradition and the church was the coincidence view: that the teaching of the church, Scripture and tradition coincide. Apostolic tradition is authoritative but does not differ in content from the Scriptures. The teaching of the church is likewise authoritative but is only the proclamation of the apostolic message found in Scripture and tradition. The classical embodiment of the coincidence view is found in the writings of Irenaeus and Tertullian.
These both reject the Gnostic claims to a secret tradition supplementing Scripture. Apostolic tradition does not add to Scripture but is evidence of how it is correctly to be interpreted. This tradition is found in those churches which were founded by the apostles, who taught men whose successors teach today. These apostolic churches agree as to the content of the Christian message, in marked contrast to the variations among the heretics. It is important to note that it is the church which is the custodian of Scripture and tradition and which has the authentic apostolic message. There was no question of appealing to Scripture or tradition against the church. This is partly because the apostolic tradition was found in the church but not just for this reason: the Holy Spirit preserves the church from error and leads her into the truth. The real concern of Irenaeus and Tertullian was not with the relation between Scripture and tradition but with the identity of ecclesiastical with apostolic teaching. Any exposition of their teaching on Scripture and tradition which fails to show this is to that extent defective. (A.N.S. Lane, “Scripture, Tradition and Church: An Historical Survey”, Vox Evangelica, Volume IX – 1975, pp. 39, 40 –
There goes Protestantism being true Christianity
>>76530472
"Mother Church" is as Catholic as the pope.
>>76530532
I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "dead" to God.
"Dead" to God is separation from Him. God told Adam and Eve that the very day they disobeyed Him and ate the fruit, they would die.
And then they lived for hundreds of years.
So did they die that day, or not?
>>76518272
Farage is a Huguenot
>>76530513
If they are destined to, God will empower them to through His Spirit. That's why you don't have to get frustrated about "breaking through" to them. Just proclaim the Word and let God work His Sovereign plan.
>>76530565
Wikipedia "Mother Church"
>>76530541
A conversation happened between two men in 85 AD.
What did they say?
>>76530720
Did they say "Scripture Alone" because that did not happen
>>76530697
Hard Calvinism violates God's will, God's work, man's volition, and a host of bible verses saying "choose".
I reject it utterly.
If you count on it for salvation, you may be as lost as these people.
>>76530379
He can though. I did and he saved me. You need to be completely without ego though and willing to submit. It's usually out of pure desperation
>>76530766
What does 2 Timothy 3:16-17 say?
>>76530661
They died spiritually, that is, separated from God. Not sure I understand the point.
By that same logic, as soon as a person is saved, they are "alive in Christ." Do they get an indestructable eternal body at that instant? They are redeemed (made alive) spiritually, and await the bodily redemption (along with the rest of Creation) at the Second Coming.
>>76530326
Right, you just pray for them to pray for you.
>>76529572
Are you retarded or what? I already tell you what "Gates of Hell" mean.
Also
>The gates of hell shall not prevail upon the actual church of Jesus Christ.
You mean this Church bulid upon Kephas?
>>76530565
I guarantee you the Eastern Orthodox consider their particular Faith as the "Mother Church".
You connect the Mother Church with Catholicism because you live in the west, where they are few Orthodox.
>>76530790
Yup. You have to know you're lost to seek salvation.
Everybody who became saved started out dead.
>>76530788
Except by Sola Scriptura you cannot say that they are wrong no matter how illogical.
Scripture Alone gets final say.
This is why Sola Scriptura fails since both sides are just gonna hurl bible verses onto each other until no one can truly tell who is right.
The use of Tradition shows us that the Calvinist reading is wrong but the Sola Scripturist cannot use this.
>>76530870
The dead people reading these posts are also separated from God, though physically alive.
They can choose to confess with their mouth and to believe in their heart that God raised Jesus from the dead, and be saved.
For you to say that they cannot violates Jesus' Great Commission and shirks the work of the Father.
>>76530788
Then there's really no point in trying to persuade you I suppose.
Thankfully, I don't rely on Calvinism for my salvation, but rather the finished work of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. :)
Definitely don't have to get Reformed theology right to be saved. Who can understand the depths of Mercy of our God?
>>76530461
why did the holy spirit demand your kike church of conquistador looking, vichy, napoleon faced, swine genocide the gentile indigenous heuganot countrymen from the french mainland unless french nationalism and jewry dominated royalty was not ethnocratically genocidal, kike supremacist, crypto zionists, masquerading jesuit catholics
Wew. Paptist got slaughtered itt.
>>76530862
>2 Timothy 3:16
0 You, however, have followed my teaching, my conduct, my aim in life, my faith, my patience, my love, my steadfastness, 11 my persecutions and sufferings that happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium, and at Lystra—which persecutions I endured; yet from them all the Lord rescued me. 12 Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13 while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom[a] you learned it 15 and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God[b] may be complete, equipped for every good work.
Holy shit, the full context actually debunks Sola Scriptura since the fact is that Tradition tells them that Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable.
They have to know this by Tradition, not Scripture, destroying Sola Scriptura
>>76530881
I think we have a language barrier that might be insurmountable, because you have not yet demonstrated that you know what gates are.
Gates stay in one place, and let people in or out.
The gates of hell = death.
Death will not prevail over the real church, not the Roman Catholic abomination, because all born again Christians are resurrected unto eternal life.
Jesus defeated death, and in Him, we die and defeat death as well. And as He rose, so will we be raised up.
Gates don't attack people. Gates admit and deny admission.
And the gates of hell will not hold me.
>>76531169
I just need this >>76530541
ALL PROTS OWNED
>>76530100
>>76530271
>>76530299
White people trying to teach me about my own people lmao you idiots love John 3:16 but you guys are ignoring WHO THE FUCK HE WAS ADDRESSING!!! HE WAS TALKING TO ISRAELITES ONLY AND MEANT ONLY ISRAELITES! Show me one part in the Bible when he says salvation can be achieved by anyone or when he mentions he cares about anyone outside of Israelites. You can't.
Matthew 15:24 -26
He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."
The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said.
He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to the dogs."
B-b-but he came for everybody John 3:16 b-b-but. He called this chick a bitch to her face and called the Children of Israel well the Children of God of course then called everyone else dogs. This is a fact but you idiots don't read so have fun in hell.
>>76531169
Wut. Literally one crazy guy talking for half the thread. The first half was filled with Catholics. Reading comprehension 1/10
>>76530912
I don't distinguish between the two but to say that they're two legs on the same statue, both equally lost, both waiting destruction at the hands of my Lord.
>>76530983
Of course I can.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
Matthew 7:13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
It is God's will that none perish.
Most perish.
It is therefore not God's will that is being done, but men's.
>>76529850
>>THE NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES
What is: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS
Satan name is good for some pussy J-goth-rock star.
Repent sinner.
>>76531114
That's the impotence of hard determinism.
>>76531114
>Thankfully, I don't rely on Calvinism for my salvation, but rather the finished work of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
I don't follow Calvanism, but I still like your point. All of this endless argumentation is inevitable I suppose, but it's secondary and inconsequential compared to trusting in our Lord Jesus Christ's death and resurrection for the forgiveness of our sins
>>76530026
Do not forget Copts!
>>76531060
Yours is a question as to the exact moment of regeneration by the Spirit. Whether it is before or after their cry to God.
Many of the greatest missionaries and evangelists (like Adoniram Judson) were Reformed in their theology. If you honestly believe that their are people in a foreign land who God WILL save if you obey Him and go tell them the Gospel, and that you will 100% reach every last one that He has ordained, then you will be the boldest proclaimer of the Gospel there is. However, if you believe it is ultimately up to you to persuade them, well, you're going to have a rough go of it.
>>76531191
Literally does not mention tradition.
>>76531291
Romans 11:25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
>>76531565
It's during. Without the Holy Spirit's assistance, no man can confess out loud that Jesus is Lord, and no man can believe God raised Him from the dead.
Jesus is the author and finisher of salvation.
We just consent. We accept a gift given to us freely.
Stay comfy on the sidelines in this war.
>>76520200
>Worship of Saints
No, people see the saints as a bridge between us and God, as analogy you can't look directly to the sun, but you can look at the moon who reflects sun light.
>Indulgences and paying money for forgiveness
I never saw such things nowadays
>Harsh punishments and death
Yeah, alot of people deserves death
>Priests cannot marry or have a family
So they can have full time worshiping God
>Rampant corruption
As everywhere, but Catholic religion just survived all this stuff
>The idea of works vs. grace of God
wut?
>>76528965
So basically, since "the word of god" is different based on your denomination (or it wouldn't be a different denomination), then it's basically the same as I said.
>>76531882
http://illbehonest.com/
www.gty.org
http://www.ligonier.org/
Is 4chan always your primary battleground? It would appear you're more interested in tearing down your brothers. Check the above links, us Reformed guys are anything but sitting on our hands.
>>76531706
GG no RE
also
>there are no jews, gentiles or Greeks
>>76531262
And I think that you are obviously retarded and simply cannot understand Scripture (aka number one reason why we have lectors in churches since times of Apotoles) . Let me help you with that, little one: http://catholicexchange.com/the-gates-of-hell-shall-not-prevail
>>76531706
Don't quote Paul. He's a faggot and not one of the 12 disciples. I said show me where JESUS SAID GENTILES CAN BE SAVED OR WHERE HE IS TALKING TO GENTILES ABOUT SALVATION You dumbasses can't read. Only Paul spoke to faggot gentiles because one he was a faggot sellout who's probably rotting in hell too. You're quoting a false prophet. Lol all you bastards are going to hell you can't argue this. God doesn't want you shit stains in his kingdom and I can't blame him for it.
All you white worshipping Jesus faggots are going to hell. Its sad in itself I have to call him Jesus because you faggots don't know his actual name
