You have ten seconds to explain why I shouldn't have sovereignty over the state of my own mind.
>>76512429
Something something something degenerate
>>76512429
You do have that right, until you bring it out in public or drive.
>>76512429
You already do. The problem is that it leads to crime and becoming a leech on society.
>>76512429
it's legal to commit suicide ergo blotter should be legal as well. the problem is that someone will spike anothers drink though.
Because of MUH DEGNERANCY
You're a cuck who needs permission from the internet.
>>76512429
You don't really have a mind though
>>76512429
Do what you want to do as long as you don't hurt anyone physically or take away their rights.
>>76512429
You should, but I'm a little annoyed that most of the drug faggots who claim this are telling me what to think. Fucking hippies.
Nothing concrete ever came from drugs. It's all bullshit.
>>76512429
>DEGENERACY
>>76512429
Because you're in a failed state
>>76512642
Isn't that what this board is about?
Wanting to hurt people physically and take away their rights.
>>76512753
Heh. I remember when this board was libertarian...
>>76512429
Because you're a daft cunt.
>>76512429
You need some Morality Man in your life
No one gives a shit, have fun. But If you break the law you goto jail like anyone else.
>>76512429
>I have the sovereignty over my own state of mind to lose my sovereignty over my mind!!!!!!!!
Ooah, ooah, babbie's first rebellion, look mum, I'm so cool, yeah, fuckk society!!!!!! x'D ANARCHY IN THE UK!
>>76512429
Decreasing your lucidity endangers others. Aren't there like a bunch of acid junkies who've microwaved their kids?
>>76512553
citation needed.
Anecdotally, Portugal's decriminalization model shows that the war on drugs causes a lot more crime than the actual drugs themselves.
>>76512880
>nobody gives a shit
>the government spends billions of dollars a year trying to stop me
thanks dickhead.
>>76513104
Not more than people who will drive others over because of alcohol or give others cancer because of smoking.
Probably much less.
>>76512553
Every single time an individual does drugs they turn into a degenerate.
Every. Single. Time.
>>76513193
Alcohol in small quantities makes you pretty lucid.
>>76513104
>Aren't there like a bunch of acid junkies who've microwaved their kids?
maybe, but that's 100% anecdotal and shouldn't inform policy decisions. The drug war is a historical accident, and the onus should be on you guys to prove that drugs are harmful.
Also punishing individuals for the potential societal harm they might be causing reeks of SJWism.
>>76513354
LCD is supposedly better at that, and it won't give the same negative consequences as Alcohol.
At least if I am to believe one of my palls.
>>76512429
Because I am an empiricist and a nation full of citizens with free-license to dope themselves up wrecks the social order and degrades communities. In short, although I don't give a fuck about what an individual does behinds closed doors I do care when said behavior inevitably seeps into my reality because if you weren't an autist you would realise you and your actions don't exist in a vacuum.
>>76512703
So what you're saying is that you want to have sovereignty over my state of mind?
>>76512429
>You have ten seconds to explain why I shouldn't have sovereignty over the state of my own mind.
Because someone else owns your body. You don't have authorization to mess up government property.
>>76513559
>Because I am an empiricist and a nation full of citizens with free-license to dope themselves up wrecks the social order
Where has that been empirically shown? Or are you just making an assumption based on your presuppositions, i.e. the exact opposite of empiricism.
>>76512642
fuck off cuck
>>76513385
>100% anecdotal
tell that to the kids
>punishing individuals for the potential societal harm they might be causing reeks of SJWism
*fascism
>>76513545
>negative consequences
Unless you're asian or weak as fuck there are no negative consequences to having a standard drink. The only reason the french aren't dying of cholesterol complications in their twenties is because of the red wine they drink every day.
>>76513612
i was just kidding lad
wew
>>76513559
Then what sense does it make to allow Nicotine and Alcohol?
>>76512429
You can be as retarded as you want when you live outside society - but inside you have to comply because you're not alone and your stupidity might disturb enough people for a law against stupidity to be voted, resulting in your separation from the rest of society.
>>76513797
That's true, and I suppose you aren't trying to argue against the legalization of certain drugs or anything?>>76513797
>>76512703
These two would make an awesome duo for a video game.
>>76513733
Drive to a fucking drug-den and tell me thats how you want society to be. Spend some time at a methadone clinic and tell me about the great friendships you've made.
Baring that you can do your own research into the biology of addiction and the crippling social deficits it causes independent of actual legality. The data is OVERWHELMINGLY against you.
>b-but muh statists are making it seedy with dah lawz and shiiet
Now who is making assumptions?
>>76513193
Getting drunk should be illegal too desu, there should be limits on how much alcohol one can buy (or sell). And second-hand smoke's not really an issue anymore because there's regulation out the ass world wide now.
Still, those stats are probably less, but psychoactive drugs can also be really dangerous psychologically. Loads of people get permanently fucked up from molly and acid.
>>76513385
It's anecdotal from me but I'm sure there's actual data for it. I remember hearing about it at least twice. I'm not talking about societal harm either, just safety.
>>76512429
It depends on the substance, how much of it you're doing, where you're doing it, and how you behave towards others while on it.
>>76513559
People can already legally do that with alcohol and pills. What's the difference in the degradation of a community where alcoholism runs rampant, such as in Native American culture, and a place like Portland or Seattle where there's a out in the open attitude towards pot?
>>76512687
Naw bro some guy invented DNA while he was on LSD, so I'm in the same category of genius when I sit on the couch staring at the wall for five hours seeing invisible patters.
>>76513809
Not an argument. We are discussion illegal psychoactives not Nicotine and Alcohol. Hypocrisy doesn't give your argument the default judgement you are just moving the goal-post.
Personally I think drinking to excess should be illegal but there is a strong argument to be made for alcohol consumption as part of human cultural heritage akin to religious observance.
Nicotine and fuck right off for creating nations of disgusting smokers which didn't even exist until colonial times.
>>76512429
>>76513733
>What was California in the 1960's?
>the countless acid casualties
>the degradation and depravity that ensued, spiraled into violence, meth, alcoholism and insanity and effects the failed state to this day.
Casually forgotten by your under-20's psychedelic guru who's read too much McKenna, talks in circles and has eaten the blue pill because it's surrounded by fractals.
>>76513939
Of course I am. People act so much less fucking erratic drunk than on the substances you want legalized, and there's at least some form of cultural awareness worldwide about alcohol.
>>76514174
>This matter was discussed by Crick biographer Matt Ridley in Francis Crick: Discoverer of the Genetic Code published by HarperCollins Publishers; ISBN 0-06-082333-X. The available evidence indicates that Crick tried LSD many years after the DNA double helix discovery. One "newspaper" published a headline saying that LSD played a role in the discovery, but there is no evidence to support that claim. --JWSchmidt 21:28, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Sorry bro.
>>76514174
Perfect description of acid.
Everyone I know says they do it to "gain spiritual enlightenment" I did it multiple times, and shrooms a couple times, now I was open to the idea of seeing the world from the other perspective, which lead down the path of nationalist socialism. However everyone of my friends who has done near same said amount never got up and did anything after that. All they do is smoke pot and want to do more drugs because, in all honesty it's one of the best drugs I've done, but the worse at the same time. I still live with some minor visual distortions, and I live everyday with knowledge that i would love to bring up in conversation, however never could because of the nature of said conversation would be considered controversial.
>>76512429
You have ten seconds to explain why Hospitals shouldn't have sovereignty over who they treat.
>>76512687
Magic mushrooms have been shown in clinical studies to CURE depression.
>>76512429
>wants sovereignty over own mind
>wants to take substances that impair your sovereignty of mind
>>76514769
The couple times I did shrooms and LSD I had a stunning realization that the guys I was hanging out with were total fucking losers. Stopped hanging out with them, found out they started doing meth a few years later.
Depressing trips but I actually made big changes for the better afterwards. Still degenerate though.
jenk>weed>alcohol>halucinogens
>>76514208
It is an argument whenever your opponent want those two too be legal while the other drugs should be illegal without giving much of a reason for why, even if that isn't necessarily the case now.
And many psychoactives, such as Cannabis and Opium, do have long traditions of being used in human civilization as well as Nicotine which wasn't being used outside of the Americas for no other reason than not existing there. It had a long tradition of being used in the Americas.
Pretty sure "Because we have always been doing like that" isn't an argument either.
>>76514358
Sorry, but may you tell me how someone that's drunk acts less erratic than someone that's on LSD, Opium or Cannabis?
And what would stop us from gaining a cultural awareness about some other drugs? The only thing we do now is to make it a forbidden fruit and make drugs seem much less serious for anyone that uses it because "Hey, they told us this drug would be really dangerous but it really isn't, maybe the same thing goes about crack?"
ok lads ile give you the red pill on drugs
physically addictive drugs are fine and drugs that hype you up are fine (caffeine)
drugs they can tax like pharma drugs are fine
but mind altering drugs (psychedelics) like lsd, dmt, shrooms etc... where you can have spiritual or mind altering experiences are not ok at all
because you come back with idea's and start questioning the status quo
now the establishment went through this in the 50-60's, see hippies. Now you guys think hippies are harmless but at the time there were people just fucking off into the wilderness forming their own little communes (getting of big gubments teat, which they hate) or the alternative which they hate more which was weather underground or having institutions taken over imagine occupy movement on steroids
all of this stemmed from psychedelic drugs awaking people which were legal at the time
so what did the establishment do to combat this? well they enforced prohibition of these drugs and dug there heels in and won
that's exactly why psychedelics are illegal its nothing to do with them being bad for your health or shit like that its purely because of the civil unrest they caused
now why weed was illegal for so long and is still illegal is because it doesn't make for good little productive worker bee's people sitting around chilling out doing nothing but being high all the time was counter-productive thats why they prefer caffeine to keep you focused and alert so you can be a better little worker
alcohol well they tried getting rid of that in the early days but they soon realised they cant because it just brings organised hardcore criminal elements into society who become the purveyors of alcohol see al capone
the reason why they don't care about this these days is because they control the illegal physically addictive drug game like opiates and shit and then they created a whole profitably perpetual war on drugs giving themselves money and funds to fight it when see cia iran-contra
>>76515104
Give those drugs to the same sack of shit and you won't see an improvement in their behaviour.
>>76513193
>give others cancer
second hand smoke is fucking bullshit
Unless you live with chain smoking parents you're not at any risk of getting fucking cancer from getting a whif of some dudes smoke at the park. It's just a way for nosey liberals to tell me what to do.
>OMG can you put out that cancer stick I'm getting sick here
>420 BLAZE IT LEGALIZE IT ITS GOOD FOR YOU
>>76515145
>see cia iran-contra
they were the ones bringing in the drugs
its like a drug false flag i guess
>>76512429
feel free to literally kill yourself for all I care
>>76512429
because you're too retarded to be responsible
>>76512528
but but but i drive better when i smoke a joint
>>76515276
You actually do.
>>76512429
Just don't pull a Zimbabwe with your mental capital. Do enough and you'll unironically /x/ and may degenerate into a paranoid buffoon.
>>76512429
Because your a retard.
Get back in line pleb
>>76512429
So what big spiritual journey is acid supposed to take you on. I've heard somewhat convincing arguments from people who do it once every couple years to sort their head out. But people who do it frequently can get serious brain damage. Seeing flashing lights at night, HPPD, etc. I'll admit that it does give you a different perspective on life but most retards who do it are degenerate stoner culture morons who don't possess the brain matter to think that hard in the first place.
Can you describe this LSD induced epiphany you had?
Bruh I saw the universe bruh, we're like, all connected man.
>>76513104
That sounds like the shit niggers do.
When white people do drugs we get really paranoid and take our clothes off.
When niggers do drugs they run around the streets howling and eat people's faces.
>>76515145
You say it's the red pill, and it's really just a tired old platitude that misguided 16 year olds think they're clever for espousing.
The hippie movement was a product of the very establishment it was supposedly against. I can't even say it was co-opted, it was outright owned from the start and began decades before. Even if this were not true, the "movement" failed of it's own volition. It morphed into something ugly, directionless and volatile, but I suppose you'd rather think everything would be okie-doke and everything would have turned out OK if it weren't for the government.
As I teenager, I felt similarly to you. I have had experiences with all manner of psychedelics and dissociatives and I'll tell you it's a dead end. They will turn you into a soup sandwich blathering endlessly in circles about absolutely nothing applicable, and the only ones that will be impressed by it are the fat chicks on your college campus.
>>76515647
Real lsd doesn't even exist anymore. I do an eighth of mushrooms once a year on my birthday and palaver with the spirit realm. Try it once and see for yourself, Salvia is a good one to start with because it's a very intense experience but only lasts 5-10 minutes. Like you say, no more than once or twice a year
>>76516005
>Real lsd doesnt exist anymore
Hahaha yah not where I am friend
It's not an issues of what's legal or illegal. There's a bigger underlying problem with your society when people are turning to drugs in an attempt to find happiness.
And of course there's the issue of the media, run by you know who, that make substance abuse seem fashionable and cool.
>>76515990
nah your just a lightweight
>>76512429
Because you sound like a retard
>>76512429
don't do it. i did 25B-NBOMe one time and i feel that something in my mind has been destroyed and cannot be repaired. Go for real LSD or shrooms if you really want to.
>mfw no one seels DMT here. only faggot extacy
>>76515647
I'm on team if you want to take psychedelics you have to also have to take a high dose of Benadryl. If you're going to alter you mind and get all "muh connected universal love" you ought to account for the fact that you can alter you mind and experience much more vivid and concrete "Everything is spiders all my radiohead music is now Thom Yorke asking for Aliens to Kill him, and the Canadian government is commandeering my mind for a bit"
Both to me are clearly degenerate though I'll do them once or twice a year just to remind me that on some fundamental level everything's fucked and very few people know what's going on.
>>76516363
You realize McKenna had a bad trip in the 80's and never touched mushrooms again, right? Of course you didn't.
He just preached his New Age babble to you at the behest of his overseers.
>>76515431
No you don't. Every fucking stoner says that. I drove, and rode with dozens of stoned people, and believe it or not almost every single one of them, including myself drove worse. Just because you aren't speeding doesn't mean you don't drive like shit
>>76515990
>They will turn you into a soup sandwich blathering endlessly in circles about absolutely nothing applicable
True, for some of us. I don't think you just have done enough.
>>76516632
so?
he still continued to take psychedelics
>at the behest of his overseers
who?
>people on this board actually support wasting billions of dollars a year pointing the gun of the state at people to stop them from ingesting certain chemicals.
>>76516387
This.
You should stay away from research chemicals.
shrooms are the safest best, since the lsd market took a big hit.
>>76515145
Except psychedelics were promoted by the Jewish media in the 60s, to challenge the status quo (break down the moral fiber of America). The hippies thought they were shaking things up but they were marching to the internationalist tune more than anybody.
Be sexually promiscuous, sit around getting high and listening to music all day, have little to no regard for your future.
>>76517218
>Except psychedelics were promoted by the Jewish media in the 60s
i'm going to need a source on that mate
>>76517218
Alcohol makes people a lot more sexually promiscuous than psychedelics and weed do buddy.
Seriously, if your argument is about promoting degeneracy then alcohol, MDMA, and perhaps speed should be really your only concerns.
>>76515990
>Did drugs as a TEENAGER and now is an authority on drugs
You clearly did not do these drugs correctly. You're supposed to become an intelligent human being who can parse the experience before trying them. As a teenager you're a soup sandwich of masturbating, worrying about grades, and having a not fully developed brain. You ought to have a university degree and job before doing any seriously mind-altering drug.
>>76517467
>You ought to have a university degree and job before doing any seriously mind-altering drug.
this even as a teenager i thought this about psychedelics i was curios about them but i new they were not to be messed with until my mind was fully developed and i was adult
>>76515990
>blathering endlessly in circles
Every time I've asked friends who were tripping to explain the profound realizations they were having they did just that. They just went on a thought loop and couldn't say shit. It's like everything is the beginning of a sentence, there's never a conclusion so all you get is a random string of loosely connected thoughts.
>>76512429
You do, we also have sovereignty to fuck you up because of what you do.
>>76516909
This.
You don't drive as bad as if you were drunk but it makes you drive slow.
>>76512429
>You have ten seconds to explain why I shouldn't have sovereignty over the state of my own mind.
Because you're a fucking idiot that would destroy himself with drugs.
If you're so stupid that you'd use drugs, you don't deserve rights.
>>76516615
>I'm on team if you want to take psychedelics you have to also have to take a high dose of Benadryl.
Benadryl was a precursor to Prozac, exhibiting inhibition of serotonin re-uptake. It's one of the earliest anti-depressants, and can fuck you up all by itself in large enough doses. This is effectively saying you need to take an anti-psychotic drug to experience psychotomimetic drugs (mimmicking psychosis).
>>76517012
I've done plenty. I'm pushing 30 now and have taken the full range into my system and at the very least, the ultimate "red-pill" is knowing when to hang up the phone. They will do nothing but harm you, but I guess for a 16 year old who still thinks Raoul Duke was real and Thompson wasn't up there racking his psyche every night trying to be something he wasn't for entertainment of a bunch of snot-nosed college kids with no imagination, I guess that idea will be lost on them and you can figure it out for yourself eventually.
>>76517014
McKenna was a fraud and it always delights me how you twits feel the psychedelic realm is your personal domain, and you're not participating in rituals you don't understand, fomented by the very same people you hate. They were adopted by natives, the scientific community, and select governments well before the failed, slopshit California revolution you referenced.
Psychedelic drug users, as much as these drugs are supposed to dissolve the ego, are always the most egocentric. Funny, that.
>>76517014
who?
American government.
>I can handle myself bro.
>I won't become addicted bro.
Said every budding addict ever.
>>76518184
>feel the psychedelic realm is your personal domain
said no psychedelic user ever
>They were adopted by natives, the scientific community, and select governments well before the failed, slopshit California revolution you referenced.
this is well known whats your point? also lsd wasn't taken 'well' before by anyone before the hippies got into it
> slopshit California revolution
your calling it a revolution i would refer to it as a movement (yep super hippie term but i think it fits) i never said it achieved anything it just shook things up until they made all psychedelics illegal
>American government
gunna need a source on that mate
>>76518184
> Psychedelic drug users, as much as these drugs are supposed to dissolve the ego, are always the most egocentric.
So fucking true
>>76512486
Fkn druggo
>>76518184
>McKenna was a fraud
in what way?
>>76515096
acid helped you gain insight on this particular situation for the better and you're still shitting on it?
>>76513769
Not an argument
>>76518914
some people are just jaded about drugs
>>76518914
The outcome was favorable but the trip there was soul crushingly depressing. I was so miserable I just wanted to fucking die. The one time I had fun on LSD I was by myself. I want nothing to do with other people and their dumb shit when I'm tripping.
>>76518676
It's because they haven't been pushed over the threshold into death. The ego is the only thing that makes us ourselves, this is what you learn when you stand at the threshold and look in the door. You either jump through and lose yourself or you stay on this side and become yourself turned up to ten.
Psychedelics are our universe's Gom Jabbar.
>>76520033
>jump through and lose yourself
Why do we never see those people?
>joe did LSD and now he's a vegetable
>jimmy did LSD and now he's a dog
>>76518640
>said no psychedelic user ever
They don't have to say it. Typically people don't think of white collar conservatives having much to do with psychedelics. They don't think of MK-ULTRA or centuries old shamanic practice either. A practice which is Satanism, as are the New Age belief systems which succeeded it in the West. You're free to disagree with me there all you want as it's a spiritual issue. Another irony is the fact that once psilocybin was discovered in South America by Wasson, along with Salvia, hoards of these hippies flocked down to have the "real experience", behaving like locusts and getting fleeced in the process. What could be better? More communist principles in action, I guess.
>this is well known whats your point? also lsd wasn't taken 'well' before by anyone before the hippies got into it
LSD was officially discovered in 1938, and possession was outlawed in 1968. 30 years and no tests were done? Yeah, no. There was plenty done and even some cursory research could reveal that.
>your calling it a revolution i would refer to it as a movement (yep super hippie term but i think it fits) i never said it achieved anything it just shook things up until they made all psychedelics illegal
Semantics. The movement was an abject failure and a tragic piece of Americana at best that media has had more than ample opportunity to repackage and resell to naive children. All it did was create a small state of psychotics and the ones who didn't go crazy turned against their principles early and became the very people fucking the system today with unprecedented greed and sociopathy.
>>76520353
>>76520033
>>76520353
plenty of people have experienced ego death and come back fine
>>76518815
Feds were all over the counter-culture, m8. Not only surveillance but propagation of the message. McKenna was hardly an isolated case.
"Terence McKenna: I wonder myself. You mean am I the alien ambassador whether I like it or not? [laughs]. Well, often when asked this question, I've said it beats honest work. I mean, my brother is a PhD in three subjects and works in hard science and yet I don't think it's brought him immense happiness. Not that he's despondent. But I was always kind of a slider. You know?
And certainly when I reached La Chorerra in 1971 I had a price on my head by the FBI, I was running out of money, I was at the end of my rope. And then they recruited me and said, "you know, with a mouth like yours there's a place for you in our organization". And I've worked in deep background positions about which the less said the better. And then about 15 years ago they shifted me into public relations and I've been there to the present."
I used to be pretty liberal about drugs.... then I started working in pharmacies. The amount of people who fuck up the self administration of common, straight forward, relatively safe drugs like ibuprofen is astounding. These were often people who you would expect to an ounce of common sense (eg medical professionals)..... I'm genuinely not sure how I feel about people having access to powerful recreational drugs. It would accelerate Darwinism I guess.
>>76520715
>They don't have to say it. Typically people don't think of white collar conservatives having much to do with psychedelics. They don't think of MK-ULTRA or centuries old shamanic practice either. A practice which is Satanism, as are the New Age belief systems which succeeded it in the West.
wat? you have some pretty fucking ignorant psychedelic users in america then your you hung out with some dumb people
but whatever i mean i thought shit like Ayahuasca was all the new age hippie faggy shit like getting all spiritual and shit?
>30 years and no tests were done? Yeah, no.
never said that
>There was plenty done and even some cursory research could reveal that.
everyone has seen the funny as fuck video of soldiers tripping out in the woods and climbing trees and shit
30 years in drug terms isn't a really long time, inb4 you bring up all these new experimental drugs
>All it did was create a small state of psychotics and the ones who didn't go crazy turned against their principles early and became the very people fucking the system today with unprecedented greed and sociopathy.
lol they all went crazy or become right wing authoritarians, yeah no
>Feds were all over the counter-culture, m8
really they were infiltrating the weather underground and the black panthers? really? this isn't news to me m8
>>76520879
Dennis explains in the book how it was all resolved. It was a really minor thing to begin with since it was just a bit of hash him and a few other kids were helping sneak in. When he went to turn himself in with his father they didn't even know what he was talking about until they finally found the paperwork. No one had any clue of who terence was back then anyways, so there is no reason they would have even had him on their radar
jan is full of shit
your bringing nothing new to the table here m8 sorry not being mean i don't really have a dog in the fight
This thread reminded me that I have a little cache of LSD. Just took a tab.
I have sovereignty over the state of my own mind, do you?
>>76520353
Because they're possessed by a spirit that's also possessing a lot of other people, or broken in a way that opens them to frequencies they can't filter out ie schizophrenia. Don't start down this hole, anon. We have to have an ego because the hivemind can't make jokes with itself.
>>76520766
Sure anon, but have you ever personally gotten there? I've tried to blast off on DMT and got shoved back into myself because it wasn't the right time, then had to deal with being extremely electric for about 15 minutes.
Imagine opiates, they make your light flicker and go out. Dissociatives make your light spread out and appear more dim despite being the same amount of light.
Psychadelics are like running so much power through the system that the light bulbs might pop, or that the electricity inside escapes into the rest of the room that was also filled with electricity.
>>76520715
This. The connecting factor of the "white death" victims is that they would have been in high school as narcotics were becoming culturally normalized.
>>76520879
also on terrence i don't get why you care so much about him as a figure in drug culture
i don't think he was this like messiah or anything he just talked about his experiences on drugs?
also terrence said he was recruited by the mushroom not the fbi
but whatever he could be talking shit i'm sure anyone with that much influence was probably sat down by the authorities but he was completely harmless
>>76521888
interesting analogies no i haven't gone through ego death but i've read about a lot of experiences by people who have and say they were completely fine afterwards
but you as with all drug experiences its anecdotal evidence so you have to take with a grain of salt
>>76515647
It's complete schizophrenic bullshit that some of my friends take medicines with horrifying side effects to STOP.
>>76517012
Here you go, Thompson, you dropped this.
>>76522888
You cannot separate psychedelic drug use from the occult. The majority of those who take them are unwitting participants in a ritual they don't understand, and are unfortunately preyed upon by those who do. All their philosophy before or since has been redressed Satanism, centering on orgies, free sex, child sacrifice, dissolution of the self and loss of cohesion of civilization. The result being the degeneracy growing more and more by the day.
>>76521888
>>76522503
Furthermore, the old question about teleportation comes into play, the question of if the you assembled afterwards is "you" or a copy of "you" who just thinks it's you. The same question can be raised surrounding blasting off.
There's a whole system designed around finding these fresh souls whos ego can be manipulated into a different direction than what the previous ego had started. A whole population of people who would take care of you if you accidentally a half gram of raw and didn't "come back" for months-all the while pushing you to become a different person. Regardless of if they're actually possessed by a different spirit, the system is real and in place.
The rest of us, those of us who've been at the threshold and can't go through, we must atone and help others reach the other side. That is my purpose, to help people reach the other side.
"And in those days men will seek death and will not find it. They will long to die, but death will flee from them."
>>76522109
Because every generation turns out more and more sniveling little know-it-alls who took a drug and want to tell you about the unending consciousness of the universe as if they're the first person to ever be deceived by this horseshit. The last thing this place needs is more false gurus. The reason I speak out against it is because I find it especially disgusting, and that's what it is, a deception and a dead end. And McKenna is one of those squirrelly-voiced little figurehead fucks, just like Huxley (guess you don't know about his background either? or his sentiments on eugenics freely available in new editions of BNW) with a knack for theatre and lies that does pretty well to this day in convincing kids this is the right thing to do and the way to make them smart and break away from society in a constructive (or at least non-damaging) way.
>>76517773
Just because your friends are unable to articulate their thoughts, doesn't mean the thoughts don't exist.
If you have weak control over your mind, it will race away before you can get your mouth around the words, which is why it turns to repeating word salad.
Get someone with strong mental discipline, sit them down in front of a keyboard and a blank text document, then let them go to work. You'll see an entirely different picture if they have the typing speed to keep up.
>>76515647
If you read back through my last few posts it will give you a gist of what you learn.
Basically, when you dose and get close to the door you begin to realize that what's on the other side is not comforting to most people. What you learn is that there is right and wrong, that you've been fucking up your entire life. You learn death and understand it. You gain insight to where you are in life and if you're ready to cross over to the other side.
I've taken acid hundreds of times, often multiple days in a row with exponential doses. I don't get flashbacks, or tracers, or hallucinations. I'm immersed in modern psychedelic culture in such a way that I am actually the kind of person you get acid from. I don't say this to brag, just to explain the ground I stand on. I've listened to anecdotal experiences from hundreds of people all over this country for years. I've handed acid to people who never knew where to get it, who'd traveled halfway across the world just to experience it.
The psychedelic experience is the future.
>>76517773
This is because they're on a different frequency and your sober frequency causes interruptions in their psyche.
Basically if you're explaining something on acid and the person listening accepts and understands what you're saying, you'll continue on down that path to the conclusion of the statement. If the person listening isn't actually listening or doesn't understand, this creates a blank reflection from their mind and causes a blank in your mind.
Racism is absolutely more degenerate than drugs. Drugs are becoming more and more legal as people with sticks up their asses realize they arent just outright bad or scary - they are useful. Racism is just unintelligent expreasion of really fucking stupid thinking.
>>76526062
Expression*
Posting on mobile sucks
>>76526062
This
>>76512429
Cause you are a retard that can't be trusted to not harm yourself.
Psychedelics are for experimental purposes only; and are said to be good use for coping with anxiety (not saying they should be prescribed) as dangerous as they can be, psychedelic drugs can change the users life quite drastically
>>76525463
It has always been a word salad. Nothing to do with "weak control over your mind". It other comes in short circles or a huge paragraph of text saying nothing because no matter what, the logic applied in your stupid state will never be applicable to the real world. Never has been in the history of the world and the savages that have used drugs in their jungles and it never will be.
Try heroine man, that good shit.
You know a lot of you wouldn't be so angry if you did drugs.
>>76525463
Here's your chance, for the betterment of humanity, to articulate the insights you have had on drugs.
Can't do it? Oh yeah, it's because all you twits do is take drugs and then hang your false insight over everybody's heads to make yourselves feel better than everyone. Oops.
>>76512429
You do, you simply don't have control over the distribution and regulation of illicit substances that can induce an altered state of mind. If you get a hold of it nothing is really stopping you from taking it.
>>76526062
Drugs are absolutely more degenerate than racism. Racism is becoming more and more legal as people with sticks up their asses realize it isn't just outright bad or scary - it is useful. Drugs are just unintelligent expression of really fucking stupid thinking.
Fixed that for you.
>>76515145
this tbqh
psychs are making a comeback though.. even where youd least expect it ;)
>>76527791
>You know a lot of you wouldn't be so angry if you did drugs.
Preach my man
>>76519607
I'm the same way, honestly. Acid is the best when you're by yourself and free to ponder/do whatever you want.
>>76528975
Indeed. Psychedelics actually have a shotload of potential for being able to problem solve in a higher domain (capacity) of critical thinking. If you can keep the object fact of the matter that its all just brain chemistry, while youre under the influence and tripping, then you can stay conscious enough to feel out more on-point directions of thought. Mathemeticians can go god mode on psychedelics. Francis Crick - the molecular biologist, neuroscientist, biopyhisicist who discovered the structure of DNA as double heelix, experimented with LSD on record - and credits the use of LSD towards his legacy discovery.
Idiots who do drugs are gonna be idiots on drugs. But a scientist on drugs is where glorious things happen. Idiots won't comprehend the benefits of psychedelics, but everyone can learn anything with an open mind.
>>76513167
You left out the part where Portugal started treating drug problems like mental health issues instead of sending addicts of to jail.
Drug use is a mental health problem
>>76512486
DELETE THIS
>>76532263
"Problem" is not the case for every individual drug user. Drugs - and the humans who do drugs - are so radically different in so many ways, that it's kinda difficult to accurately generalize about it either way.
There are plenty of pharmaceutical drugs which cause far more problematic side effects than many illegal drugs. Suicidal thoughts = potential side effect from most antidepressants...
It's a bad joke that alcohol is legal but marijuana is illegal. Marijuana doesn't do THIS to your physical brain.
