Is MGTOW the ultimate redpill, or are they just cucks? If so, why?
Also , what is the ultimate redpill and what literature should I read to become fully redpilled?
you don't have to be in a tight knit group of guys that reassure eachother on their choices to stop paying attention to women.
Also if you want to redpill yourself, follow a lot of conservative/libertarian based YouTube channels. Although I'll get flak for this, Stefan Molyneux is a good one. I don't buy into everything he says, but he offers some real insight on controversial topics. Don't get yourself stuck in an echo chamber though. Stand back and look at viewpoints from both sides. The reason why liberals are so out of hand is because they're stuck in a media propaganda/social media fueled echo chamber. It leads to irrational judgement.
The ultimate redpill is still and always will be to become a farmer or to opt out of society and move in to a cuckshed far out in the wilderness with your wife
>>76417448
Closet fags and permavirgins.
They should really impose a law that If a woman gets pregnant and the man says he doesn't want it, at that point the woman can either get an abortion paid for by the male or raise the child on her own. As the male never agreed to said child he is in no way obligated to pay for it because the woman made the decision to keep it regardless. His life his choice.
>>76418367
Or you fix the family instead of killing babies and encouraging divorces and single motherhood
>>76417448
I'm a 'MGTOW' I guess but I don't wear the label. I just refuse to try dating.
MGTOW presents themselves as making a choice, but I swear the overriding majority of these men were never in a position to turn down any propositions from women in the first place. And the likelihood is once they find a woman who is actually interested in them, these ideals dissolve very fast indeed. Men by and large quite enjoy to be men.
>>76417448
Google "No Fap" or "No Porn".
It's a much more legit and non-sensationalist movement compared to MGTOW
>>76419273
>MGTOW presents themselves as making a choice, but I swear the overriding majority of these men were never in a position to turn down any propositions from women
You're probably right. But as a married man, looking back, I'd MGTOW if I could do it all over again.
It's a slightly flawed reaction to growing feminist insanity and a loss of societal norms and reciprocation. I agree with OP's pic though.
>>76419594
no, you'd #cuckforvagina
Ff-fffeminists had it coming. It's the ultimate destruction of traditional values, and women hate it. True equality is the ultimate redpill; nobody likes men, not even men themselves. And everyone would sacrifice your sorry ass for a pair of tits.
>>76419273
Don't underestimate the MGTOW movement, there are some real pieces of work that just pump and dump. The beta uprising is real and getting realer.
>>76417448
MGTOW is for pathetic losers that give up. Nothing more, nothing less.
Get married, wear the pants in your household, women like to be controlled and gold what to do, so do that. Breed...have children to extend your progeny and good name.
Only beta-male "muh bideo geams 4evr herrrrderrrr" types gravitate towards MGTOW lifestyles.
>>76419594
Yeah but I understand the sentiment. I'm 29 and have no problem taking a girl home for the night but am turned off by the idea of losing half my shit and having my kid hate me because people these days don't stay married if they even bother
Maybe I'll marry some foreign chick with old values some day, for now I'll fuck sluts and hang out with my dog
>>76420375
That's a pretty red pilled room. Comfy floorboard. I could set up my anime figure collection there
>>76421218
I put new floors in my rental properties. Picked a random picture off my phone. It'll be great income for my sons when I die, effortlessly obtained wealth. They helped me install them.
No idea why anyone wouldn't want to have kids and use them as free labor.
Mind boggling.
>>76420375
I'd rather have my own choices and freedom and not be tied down by some annoying wife and yappy kid who spend all the money I made.
>>76421687
>not providing allowance to both
>having no control over those in your life
You sound weak to me. I paid my teenaged sons $40 for the day each to help me put down floors in 16 units. Took a few weekends to do it. I couldn't even find illegals that cheap to install flooring.
This entire thread is just one gigantic rationalization for why women won't choose you as mating partners.
>>76422046
Good for you man, atleast you're not completely cucked to your family. I'm just on the edge of not wanting to risk it.
>>76417448
The redpill is the knowledge.
What you do with it afterwards varies.
MGTOW, MRA, Gamergate, Alt-Right, and other movements are all responses to the red pill.
Hell, BETA KEKS WHO RAISE THEIR WIFE'S SONS can -also- be redpilled, but might be so crushed they do not see a way out.
>>76421666
666 witnessed
>>76418367
Does this satisfy you?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476888/Fathers-able-choose-legal-abortion-18th-week-pregnancy-cut-lawful-responsibilities-child-Swedish-Liberal-proposal.html
The true, absolutely final redpill is to accept that there's nothing "wrong" with the world. We are just pitiful animals acting according to our instincts and tribal nature. We should all be yearning for death to bring and end to this sickening age.
My wife doesn't work, and we have one child.
My role is to make the money (I work from home), mow the lawn, and handle trash.
Her role is child caregiver, housecleaner, and she has to blow/fuck at least once a day, at my complete discretion.
A MGTOW will never be this happy.
>>76421666
based wood floors. I don't even know why carpeting is even allowed anymore
>>76422298
Everything in my home is in my name, including their phones, cars and utilities. Women respond to strong overbearing men. If you provide an environment where you're not in control to a woman, by default she will accept and start to run things her way. The issue with this is that most women do not have the intellectual capacities to control a normal household ergo, taint/ruin/distort what is socially normal.
My wife doesn't leave the house without telling me. She doesn't make purchases over $100 without consulting me. She wears the clothing I bought for her and if she wants something she has to ask... then we go out together to obtain it.
I cannot recall the last time I mowed my own lawn, shoveled snow or took out the trash either. The cleaning is done by a weekly maid service called Merry Maids. If my sons refuse to do all that I ask everything they need to be successful in both their academic and social lives are stripped from them. They walk to school and work. I don't give a fuck how hot or cold it is either. They're men, they'll survive.
Find a nice woman who isn't a total whore and do what I did. Divorce or the possibility of it shouldn't scare you away from having offspring and being a man.
>>76422920
then she gets bored and divorces you and takes half your shit and you never get to see your kid
"Le MGTOW losers will never be THIS happy :)"
>>76417448
Hit and run for me. NO nagging, NO shit tests, NO bullshit.
>>76423406
16 years in, and no sign of that yet.
>>76423041
You sound ALFA AS FUG anon, a true badass, thank you for sharing your badass story.
>>76423009
Carpets stink and are too expensive to change out after the termination or ending of a tenants lease agreement. Hard wood is significantly easier to refinish than it is to rip up then lay down new carpets. I did carpeting in my buildings a few times, never again.
Honestly the rental game is great. I HEAVILY suggest that young people invest in realestate instead of college initially. I played the foreclosure auction game. Made bank. This is what I did to gain wealth.
Saved up money working to collect collateral for a loan, went to foreclosure auctions and purchased houses in ghettos and "upcoming" areas white people tried to gentrify. Fuck that, I want the ghetto black and brown. No gentrification allowed in my slums.
I brought the houses up to bare minimum with state laws and registered with HUD housing. The tenant is only responsible for a small portion of the rental payments so if they default, what the fuck do I care...more of the money is coming from the state.
Bought houses for an average of $25,000, $10,000 into it. 4 units per house, 2br each. Charge $1,800 for unit no utilities included. In a year thats over $80,000 I made off a $35,000 investment. HUD ALWAYS needs new houses for their tenants so the market is BOOMING right now. The houses pay for themselves, literally. After 1 year each property becomes profitable and you outsource the yard work and minor repairs to a manager you hire.
I put the floors in myself because I liquidated a lot of property recently, fired my manager and started managing the 46 units myself. They're all on the same property so it's not a hassle really.
>>76422920
MGTOW are just guys who couldn't find a gf who was wife material. You can't be the person you just described and not understand their point of view.
Like you've never seen a friend or coworker or family member or teacher totally destroyed from a divorce?
>>76423406
My children are men with their own capacity to travel to me if I got a divorce. She has no job skills, no education, no social skills... nothing. She is mine to do with as I please. She knows this. I don't care about maintaining her happiness she's served her purpose to me by giving me sons to carry on my name. Her life would be drastically worse without me and she knows it.
My marriage is just fine.
i can not understand MGTOW.
i get people wanting to stay single or whatever, but people getting into a huff that women exist is just stupid. it just seems like a bunch of dudes with sexual frustration and a lot of hot air
>>76424474
You sound like a sociopath m8
MGTOW is a corrupted Jewish co-opting of what COULD be a redpill.
Like all controlled opposition movements it has 80% truth and 20% lies
Why do I need to join a fedora-tier club to ignore women?
Do I need to be NRA to enjoy guns?
>>76424694
>wahh i don't like you
Cry more faggot.
>>76420375
It's actually mostly old divorced men who started the movement, the virgin neckbeards latched onto it later via reddit
Men have been going MGTOW forever, for most men its a normal part of growing up, some stay that way forever, why give it a corny name now?
>>76424795
I don't like you dislike you I'm just saying anyone who describes their spouse in the way you just did has low social empathy
It's an objective statement, no emotions attached
>>76424947
see
>>76423041
Re-read the first small paragraph. Most modern men don't know how to run a household ergo, let it slip into their woman's control by default, that's when things start getting fucked up. Don't give women too much slack on the lead.
>>76419480
Quitting porn and masturbation is good but a lot of that particular group makes it focus too much on women and respecting them, rather than self-improvement and the very opposite (REJECTING whores). There's too much of the "quit porn just to get laid" attitude in the Reddit nofap community, rather than focusing on either complete celibacy/aceticism or marriage/family as the end goal.
>>76425098
What other purpose do women serve to men other than being mere portal through which their progeny is born?
The only reason a woman is a woman is because of a man (her father). 100% of a woman's eggs by default are XX, men carry both XX and XY sperm in their semen. The entirety of the world around us, people included (outside of animals) was created by men.
Either take your place as a leader, or step the fuck aside so people can walk all over you for the duration of your pathetic life.
>>76417448
>Is MGTOW the ultimate redpill
Not the ultimate one, but yeah, kind of.
> Also , what is the ultimate redpill and what literature should I read to become fully redpilled?
Bible is enough to read. Not even because Bible is so ultimately powerful - what we have today is only translation from greek, the original is lost.
But because literature cant replace common sense and it is only a tool. A tool of people who want to help you and a tool of people who want to destroy you.
>>76417448
>choosing not to reproduce (aka. provide your nation with new, young men and women)
Ultimate cucks. People like them who "go their own way" are the reason muslims will take over Europe.
>>76425601
I've believed for a while now that mass literacy and the printing press were a mistake and most people were better off being illiterate. Reading and writing just feeds the masses lies and distractions from reality. Only monks, scribes, scholars etc even need to be literate in an ideal society, most are happier as illiterate peasants who don't need to care about more than their household and village. Literacy is by and large the domain of the kikes, they're masters of information and can't deal with common sense reality.
Sadly there's no going back now especially with industrial society and the internet.
>>76425935
The thing is, that this problem isn't just the "beta" faggots, but even many the "alpha" chad types are preferring promiscuity over family reproduction. They're just as much manchilds as the people they make fun of, since they validate their existence by casual sex.
>>76424155
You're Chinese, aren't you? I know you are. Fuck you for conquering the whole world's economy by taking over the real estate industry.
>>76423041
> Women respond to strong overbearing men.
Cucktales.
That`s pretty much example of bad literature. The story probably ends with moon god worship, but I wont read to the end.
>>76422662
>Swedish Liberal Youth party
>as the article mentions, the same party that proposed legalizing necrophilia
yeah, not gonna happen.
>>76425563
I get you roleplay Pater familias in your household but this is simply not how our society works
Much like feminism MGTOW have a few correct points about unfairness, but it's mostly just a bunch of sad failures blaming everything on an invisible force.
>>76417448
Fuck off back to plebbit or /r9k/ you cringy sour grapes permavirgin
>>76426145
I'm a hybrid European according to 23andme. My Dad was a British migrant to America back in the 60's. My mother was a child of migrants herself. Was interesting to learn the truth of where I'm from. I enjoy being American. Also, fuck chinks. Disgusting assholes.
>>76425982
If you deserve to be literate, why wont you write something to herd the sheep in the right direction?
>>76420375
sure, let's see how much you can control them when they anal rape you in court and take all your shit with them in the process.
>tradcons
>thinking they even can
>mfw
>>76426387
go get some work to pay off debts filthy gayreek
>>76426292
Works in mine. My sons do it to their girlfriends and they respond an identical way my wife does.
>>76417448
A bunch of faggots that can't score any pussy, that is all.
>>76426209
Idiot.
u-us betas will go our own way..
Okay says the woman, who graduates to a higher degree and earns more than millenial men.
Then she goes and fucks some chads.
Good going Mgtows.
>>76426616
MGTOW is a faggot movement started by ugly permavirgin betacucks from reddit (r/redpill). Go back to there you cancerous pathetic trash
>>76417448
>Men are not women's protectors, providers or baby-makers
That image could just have easily been created by Feminists
>>76426566
See
>>76426696
Don't make your issue with women about anyone other than you. If you can't get a quality woman and you're too scared to start a family you're a loser, and pathetic.
>>76426387
> females din du nuffin
Females respond to intoctrination much better than males tho. Kike males are pretty much the exception, this is why they are used by anglo.
>>76418367
>As the male never agreed to said child
He agreed to the potential for children when he fucked her. You're just enabling chads and sluts to be more degenerate.
>>76426495
I see that your map slightly touches Turkey territory, tough luck you muslim turkroach
>>76426957
MUH QULITE WIMEN!
Go ahead, get married, get fucked. The only thing that will bother me is not seeing you getting fucked once she is done with you.
>>76426696
Gee, nice counterarguments there mate.
> you are only one to blame
> you are scared
> muh dik
> writing on 4chan/pol instead of having life
>>76427182
My Mother said one of her distant relatives was from Capri, an Italian island. Other than that, who knows.
so many morons here have no defense against what OP posted.
their best argument is "find a quality wimen" LOL
god forbids they shake off the blue pill and start thinking with their brains, beyond years and decades of indoctrination.
too hard, MUH QUAIL WIMEN makes them feel better.
>>76427370
I've been married for 22 years though.
>>76427395
Nah. I just called you an idiot. Why are you responding to things I've said to other people. Seems you've got nothing better to do...hmm.
I'm killing time until I leave the office and go home to a nice meal my wife prepared for me. Fresh burrata with a spicy tomato compote and skate fish with a lemon beurreblanc sauce.
Enjoy your canned hamburger though.
>>76418233
>Sees flag
>Post ignored
>>76427928
good for you. some animals love their shackles more than others. nothing wrong with that. enjoy!
Weak betas that gave up on finding a good woman
>>76417448
they are natural born cuck and they also are closet homosexuals
MGTOW is the ultimatr beard
>>76428271
Stop embarrassing yourself. Have some kids and use the free labor to make money for your Hentai figurines. I know you're seething over the fact no woman would ever choose you as a mating partner though.
That's fine, just own up to it.
>>76427744
Well mate, you obviously have little to no experience with women, so let me tell you what you need to do to keep them happy and stay married: Stick your penis in her vagina.
Seriously, I am openly racist and sexist as fuck around her, pisses her off majorly, but in the end I give her a good hard fucking and suddendly all the problems she had with what I was saying are gone.
You just gotta learn to fuck these bitches properly.
>>76428512
you got nothing on me, nice try though.
as I said, some animals learn to enjoy their shackles, and their shiny cages.
comfy is comfy, nothing wrong with that.
>>76417448
ultimate redpill is to destroy the system, but we can't so we just 'meh fuck this women pandering society'
>>76428676
ad hominem, assumption...
you sound childish.
why does it bother you that some men are deciding not to pay attention to women? If you and the other morons questioning mgtow are so happy with your personal choices, why bother with MGTOW?
MGTOW does not care about you.
You care about MGTOW.
The irony...
>>76417448
Its said in every thread, but it requires repeating apparently:
MGTOW are not necessarily wrong about rejecting shitty women and living for themselves. They ARE wrong about making a shitty "movement" about it and drawing attention to their "lifestyle." If they actually didn't care what other people thought of their choice they wouldn't need a fucking faggy name and blogs and shit about it.
Anyone calling themselves MGTOW is no different than the fags in a gay pride parade. Drawing attention to themselves in the most obnoxious way possible.
>>76429370
MGTOW is not a movement.
Whoever claims it to be a movement is dead wrong.
>>76428731
Admit it, for the sake of leaving with a little dignity.
>>76426979
half-Jew here
the kikes really aren't the top of the chain of power, you're right. It's the hidden royal bloodlines and top freemasons, they just have kikes do the dirty work then offload all the blame to them when the time comes. That way they can even put blame on the God of Abraham by using the "kike on a stick" strawman. This is all in the Protocols, which weren't written by kikes at all but by masons (Albert Pike)
>>76429136
>why does it bother you that some men are deciding not to pay attention to women?
>confuses advice with being bothered by something
Wow, and you call me childish...
>>76429136
>If you and the other morons questioning mgtow are so happy with your personal choices, why bother with MGTOW?
Bitch, you come to a thread made to discuss MGTOW to complain about people discussing about MGTOW? Seriously?
>>76429136
>MGTOW does not care about you.
>You care about MGTOW.
And yet you get so mad over my opinion you felt the urge to reply to my post, oh the irony...
>>76429136
Stop making excuse for why no woman, not even a 2/10 would consider you a worthy mating partner.
>>76417448
>heheh yes thats right goyim, 100% of women are evil, there are NO good women left, and make sure to NEVER reproduce, you dont want on child support do you?
>>76417448
Indisputable Fact A: Law benefits women at the expense of men.
How will you deal with Indisputable Fact A?
There are several options, choose one:
1. Men should change the law to be more balanced.
2. Men should manage the risk and avoid situations where the law could hurt them.
3. Kek blaze it fagget xD thinking ahead is for loosers lololol live in the edge m8, what if the law rapes you, you ask? LOL don't be a fag !!!11!!!1!!! 420 for life XDDDD
If you choose 1 you're MRA, 2 is MGTOW, 3 is traditionalism or conservativism.
>>76418318
we actually have sexual experience with women unlike you... never saw a neckbeard associated with mgtow (in real life meetings and contribution to the cause - not virgins being mad online like you)
>>76429600
sure, buddy, whatever helps you sleep better at night.
my dignity is fine, thanks for caring. as I said, you got zero on me. but I already know a lot about you.
you provide for a woman while you believe you own her.
you think that because you provide for her she belongs to you.
you are so stupid that you don't even realize that you helped her fulfill her biological imperative, gave her a home, food, and children, and all she had to do was spread her legs for you... and you think you own her?
how deluded some people can be! as I said, enjoy your shackles, enjoy your delusion.
it is very clear to me and anyone with a brain that you are the work horse, and a very useful and productive one at that.
as for her, all my respect. she even made you believe you are in control!
LOL
some people, truly, really, are delusional.
>>76430095
Tldr, you're still making excuses for why women find you deplorable and unfit to father their children.
>>76417448
Channels like bar bar and thinking ape really consolidated my life experience and taught me a lot, most men that marry are retarded breeders that are content with being work horses for their women and children, in exchange for nutting inside a used up vagina and getting some kids. Modern marriage is a fucking joke, everyone i see that is married, young or old, is miserable but doing their best to lie to themselves and the worst thing is society tries to shame you if you don't want to hop in on the hamster wheel and pay up for taxes, consumerist bullshit and eventually a divorce. There is not a single western country that has less than 50% divorce rate, most have higher.
No fucking way i am doing this to myself. I don't give a shit about breeding or taking care of a woman. Only pump and dump for me.
>>76424330
>guys who couldn't find a gf who was wife material
plenty of those, and plenty of women who end up with ''alpha'' manchildren that fuck n bail
>>76429725
try harder.
>>76430307
Classical shaming technique - if you don't wanna slave away for a woman and breed you aren't "good enough", all married men try to drag others into this shit, i guess misery does love company
>>76430379
>still trying
Write me another novel so I won't read it.
>>76430471
I'm not miserable though. I'm quite happy being the master of my domain. You're arguing like a batshit crazy Tumblr feminist. Find a woman, have kids, be normal.
>>76430502
truth tends to make people uncomfortable. it's a natural reaction. you will be fine, go back to "your" woman, she will make you feel better.
>>76430635
you are not the master of anything, the moment your woman decides she can do better you will get anal raped in female dominated courts, your children will be taken and you will pay out of your ass for her black bf that is probably nutting in her as we speak
i think i am much more normal than you could ever hope to be
>>76430669
Why don't women want to have sex with you? I still want an answer to that question. It's their fault, right?
>>76421666
that looks like it is installed wrong.
>>76430808
it's a delusional tradcon douche
he finds validation in women, in adhering to societal rules.
as i said, nothing wrong with loving your shackles... but if he were so happy, why care so much about what others do or decide not to do with their lives?
we all know the answer.
>>76430808
My children are adults though, looks who's indoctrinated now. Same default argument from every last one of you. You're from a poverty stricken nation at least you legitimately have the excuse of poverty for why no woman would ever want you.
Be normal, get married, have kids.
>>76430853
keep trying. you are an amusing clown.
>>76430855
I rent to welfare trash. Read the thread. I don't care about doing it right, i told my kids to make it flat and leave no gaps between the wall and material.
Niggers and spics don't deserve better.
>I've been married for 22 years and MY wife hasn't chosen to take my children and my entire empire away from me yet
>Why can't you stupid losers just do what I did! I'm the best!
>You have to control them so they don't leave you!
>even though the law on all levels will support them if they suddenly decide to take away my entire life!
The only men that get married these days are men with nothing to lose. Men with no money, men with no aspirations, men with nothing to lose in a divorce.
Those of us with success and aspiration prefer to protect what we've worked so hard for.
>>76431186
You're still avoiding the truth you don't want to admit. Just accept it as fact like I do and move on. No one wants you, no one ever will.
>>76431233
you are trying to reason with an imbecile. good luck with that.
>>76431009
first you say that they are teens, now they are adults? hmm
oh yes, i was expecting the nation attack, after all most americans only see value in something if it makes them money, and of course you have no real arguments so you resort to that
but remember, you have more than 50% chance to lose your money, greedy man
>>76430981
it's funny, he is the perfect example of the basic mgtow theory, they really all use shaming and somehow think we will bend to their will, lmao it's fucking sad
>>76431422
>only smart dudes jerk off to 2d gurls alone all day making excuses for why they're not genetically successful
More excuses...
>>76431194
you will have gaps in middle of floor in year or two because of that lazy attitude. you are also supposed to leave small gaps near walls.
>>76417448
What exactly was the Jewish Marxist goal, if not this exact type of thinking?
Literally the fruit of every excuse they make.
>>76431194
you should do it right next time because chances are after the divorce you will have to live in one of those
>>76431545
They're capable of driving and working, they're men. You DO HAVE a genuine excuse for why women don't want you. Not having money sucks and it's been scientifically proven children raised in poverty have lower IQ's. It's detrimental. Case proven in your halfassed attempts to insinuate that being alone forever is a good thing.
I am not surprised by this MGTOW movement and didn't even know it was a thing, apparently I classify as one of them. What made me go this route is something that happened to my friend. Some indian ho accused him of raping her and she's going to the police. If that were me I would have died from a panic attack but not him, not only did he hold her down and rape her but he beat the shit out of her like if she was a man. Real brutal stuff, even had one of his homies record it all apparently. He then told her if she went to the cops he can take jail time, no big deal but that nigger wasn't gonna leave that be. While he's in jail he'll get his friends to not only kill her entire family in front of her but gangrape her before they killed her too. She never sent to the cops at all and apparently told her family she got robbed on the way home. He tried showing me the video but I didn't want to see any of that shit, I'm a pussy.
>>76431584
Niggers and spics don't deserve nice things. No effort beyond the basics will go into their domiciles. I plan on replacing those floors in 5 years with ceramic tiling.
As a 'movement' or anything organised it's pathetic and degenerate, a comfort blanket for failures. It should be something to quietly resign yourself to and not celebrate or use as something to rally around like the current Reddit-tier autists calling themselves MGTOWs do. It's an acceptance society is fucked unless you do something about it. But also a conscientious objection to the postmodern sexual revolution, society and hookup culture.
Change only happens when you make it happen and start rejecting the status quo so there's two ways to go because while there's nothing wrong with opting out of women, no Western male should be opting out of having children.
I. Accept you're not going to change laws or put the feminism/sexual revolution genie back in the lamp. Respond to this by pushing towards artificial wombs and any other way to take women out of the question of reproduction.
II. Live change, don't date or hookup and hope it at least catches on. If men reject degeneracy and Western women until they follow suit it might change something in the longer term. Build up resources and enough wealth to support a family then import a wife from a white, non-Western country, but vet them carefully for any signs of degeneracy and make sure you've got decent legal protections and concealed assets to avoid marriage rape.
Going full comfort blanket autist and opting out of having children though is absolutely retarded. If you're not going to reproduce and do something about the West's demographic decline then you might as well kill yourself. Opting out of degeneracy is fine, opting out of reproduction isn't.
>>76431545
he is a textbook case of many things, one them being a rampant imbecile who doesn't even know the people he is talking to while making assumptions about them left and right to feel better about himself.
and others are supposed to be the losers for not following the script that he so proudly followed to the letter
LMAO
Here is a family feud survey for orientation week at The University of Waterloo:
docs.google.com/forms/d/1dyVZpbKqMIL0Z7tXnPvuOrKev74hP2VnlpBjuSGIpIk/viewform?c=0&w=1
Drop some repills where you can. You do not have to answer every question$
>>76431806
I am also perfectly capable of doing those things, you must be really uneducated if you think that just because i am from a certain country it automatically means i live and have lived always in poverty. Barely anyone lives in poverty here and my family is wealthy, i live better than the average american.
IQ is almost entirely genetics and you can't prove that it depends on money, that's fucking stupid. You see your value in the face of a dumb woman, all women are. You are very ignorant and a huge dick, probably because of your shitty marriage. I have no problem being alone because i don't need validation from a woman or society.
You are honestly, very pathetic.
>>76432038
>the movement is for failures
>now here's what you want to do if you don't want to have your life divorce-raped
isn't the movement simply spreading this information? yeah people who take it too seriously are usually undesirable anyways
>>76432050
You are a loser and avoiding the question of why don't women find you useful or worthy. That's a big question considering how much you've been using what women MIGHT do to you as an excuse to avoid them entirely.
That's fear. You're letting fear dictate your life. Which is why you're alone and will always be alone.
>>76432383
Maybe he doesn't want to be a fucking tool to be used? You seem to get off on it, he doesn't. Doesn't mean that he is wrong.
>>76431949
i bet that floor wont last 5 years. why you even installed that if you did not even try to install it right? it will take the same time to install it right.
>>76432038
> Accept you're not going to change laws or put the feminism/sexual revolution genie back in the lamp. Respond to this by pushing towards artificial wombs and any other way to take women out of the question of reproduction.
If this ever caught on in any significant way it would probably be stomped out fairly quickly.
>>76432311
Has nothing to do with the thread though.
http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/news/releases/poverty-dampens-genetic-influence-on-iq-in-the-us.html
Poverty breeds stupidity. You said poverty doesn't affect you any more, which means you were raised in poverty ergo an idiot.
>>76432383
Who cares what women find useful and worthy? Caring about what women want is the #1 way to make women avoid you
>>76424785
slep tite spec man
>>76432568
Why do you think women will abuse you?
You've checked out of life before even living it.
>>76432600
Not my job. Looks good enough. Niggers and spics aren't worth the extra effort.
>>76432761
>Why do you think women will abuse you?
Because the law allows them to, and supports them if they do it? Who wants to take that risk?
>>76417448
it is a jewish trick convincing white men not to breed
>>76432666
One needs a woman to make more men.
>>76417448
Alright. I'm a single father.
Wife died in a car crash in 2012. My daughter is 17 years.
I'm shamelessly a man going my own way. my daughter is my priority.
I've got a girlfriend and she is a wonderful woman. She's a police officer, so gets good pay, has her own home, and lives in the city. I live in the sticks.
We visit each other every weekend. I love her so much, but I don't want to live with her. I've got my own life.
She wants to make babies with me. Which is a bit worrying. I love her dearly, but I'm content enough having her live away from me. We fuck like rabbits when we see each other.
She has a lovely home and I have a lovely home. Why change it? My daughter loves her, I love her.
Why change what isn't broken?
>>76432932
Breeding with women does not require caring about what they want and prefer.
>>76432873
Laws don't allow anyone to abuse anyone. If you think paying a woman to fuck off for the rest of her life is "overwhelming" I suggest you get a more lucrative career.
>>76432383
I find no pleasure in being used by others as their tools or their work horse.
But if you enjoy being other people's work horse... to each their own.
You clearly find validation and a sense of purpose in being used by women, in this case your wife. That's fine, for a small mind.
Shouldn't you be with her right now being happy BTW?
>>76432641
You are the idiot here because you have trouble reading, i clearly said i never lived in poverty. If poverty doesn't prevent access to information, then it doesn't affect IQ. Everything else is genetics.
>>76432761
I have had plenty of relationships and women are only after status and hot men, they also get bored of relationships fast so they need a new high, also modern society removes any barries in front of women, they have the state, law and other stupid men servants like you to go after me if she screams "rape" because i looked at her badly
there are tons of cases where women are let free with murder or abuse because they are women, marrying in 2016 is asking for trouble for the average man
>>76433055
I make 74k a year, more than you'll make in your entire life, I'm not willing to part with 30-40k to some bitch every year for the foreseeable future.
>>76433037
Who is saying we need to care about them? I said a few dozen posts ago that women are mere portals through which a males progeny is created and outside of that don't even matter.
>>76424474
>She has no job skills, no education, no social skills... nothing
This just means she can justify getting more money in the divorce
>>76433218
Then after that you said
>you'll be alone forever because you don't care what women find useful and worthy
>>76432761
Well, the deck is kind of stacked against men. It really is a huge risk to marry. Marriage/divorce laws and support for domestic abuse victims favor women. At any time, without warning, one could find themselves ruined. Humans can be fickle.
>>76432316
I agree with that, if MGTOW was just a repository for awareness and information then it's a good thing. But sadly there's just too many Reddit and YouTube tier autists trying to make themselves in 'spokesmen' of it as a 'movement' in the feminist sense and that's just plain wrong. It should be about sharing useful information, not drawing attention to individuals or having circle jerks about personal failure and bitterness towards women.
>>76432604
Somewhere will still allow it though, so might just be the case of having children abroad. Another option is using surrogate mothers willing to renounce all rights to the children they produce. Either way the first point there is more about the need to evolve in response to the current status quo. If you can't make it obsolete, then look for loopholes around the current system. It's not a perfect solution that creates nuclear families, but single fathers are far better than single mothers for a child's development. It's an improvement on the current status quo and way to bypass rights rigged in the favour of women.
>>76433114
>used by others
So you don't have a job either.
Great!
So ITT we've deduced that you're not only a fat worthless faggot that women don't want to fuck, but other men don't want to be around you either and you don't work.
That's nice. Justify your NEET life too, I don't care. You dig your own grave here.
>>76432851
you sound like a guy with nigger attitude. i would not drink beer with you.
>>76433154
>women are only after things and stuff
Untrue, most women enter a relationship looking for love. Sounds like you're involved with a bad group of people. Which is weird considering the crippling poverty in your country. I've been there, people thought denim jeans were a luxury item. Why do SO MANY people there take shopping holidays to America?
>>76433018
You're doing it right. Priority is is having children then dedicating yourself to them as well as your own independence.
Sadly the Reddit/YouTube/forum types aren't and they're getting it all wrong skipping children.
>>76433350
still got zero on me...
as I said, you already gave too much info about yourself for every reader here to make their own informed conclusions.
I have given zero.
Are you mentally challenged? I'm even starting to feel bad about asking you tough questions.
You are like the retarded kid that thinks he won the argument cause he yelled more during the debate.
>>76433199
I make that off one rental property per year. It's not a pissing contest though. $75k is a good entry level job where I live. Mostly 20yo kids with those jobs.
>>76433307
You can't pretend long enough or be smart enough to have kids?
Even niggers have game and can figure that out.
>>76433451
I don't associate with Eurotrash. Stay there drinking yourself to death on Aquavit.
>>76433629
Tldr, time to stop talking NEET
>>76433657
Are you trying to tell me that losing half of my income to my ex-wife wouldn't be "that bad" yet you claim to make 4-5 times what I make? :-)
>>76433803
What? Why the fuck would I have to pretend to be smart in order to jam my jibbler into some bitch's slop hole?
I see no reason to obtain a girlfriend. I rather just avoid people. I used to powerlift now doing muay thai, I see really no oppurtunity in my roster to make time for a wife and kids. It would stress me out immensely.
I know I can make a lot of time, I actually have quite a lot of free time. I just don't want to spend it on another person. Besides that I know no females, I have few friends. It's also rather discouraging seeing the amount of sluts to even seek out a partner since I know I will be getting used shit all the time. So I don't really feel like getting a girlfriend at all, I don't really crave sex masturbating feels better anyway than getting sucked or fucking with a condom.
>>76417448
Anything to do with men's rights, anti-feminism etc is entry tier redpill
seeing the jews/ globalists for what they are is as well
The final redpill and most evil group you will discover are baby boomers
they are literally fucking hellspawn
>>76417448
MGTOW is just something every non-castrated man should at least partially feel as natural.
But losers jump on it as holy grail of ultimate and eternal knowledge to justify their failure with women or lack of spine and self esteem. Just like fat landwhales jumped on neo feminism to cope and blame.
>>76417448
yes, its totally the ultimate redpill
also there is absolutely nothing gay with two strong men fucking each other in the ass
It's a sham. Find a woman worth marrying.
>>76433969
can't even read... anything longer than a few lines.
chill out bubba. you will always be the king of the hill.
>>76417816
You make it sound like there are rallies and hang outs.
...there isn't, right?
They're just poor non-chads.
>>76433929
i am fine with that.
>>76417448
Here, both MG and TOW are in this vid
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=722_1457878792
>>76434024
Don't you believe in gender equality????
BIGOT
>>76434009
How is that so? Please explain.
>>76417448
MGTOW is fucking stupid. Here is the right way to go about it. Find a girl who is relatively ok to be with, but has some sort of mental disorder (every woman does) that would make her an unfit mother on her own. Anger problems, ptsd, bipolar, depression, etc... And (here is the key) who REALLY WANTS TO HAVE KIDS. Then, after you marry her, redpill her, and convince her to seek help for her mental instabilities. After redpilling her, you should be good to go, and life will get better after she goes to therapy for her disorders. However, if she does ever leave you, you can fall back on her mental disorders saying that she'll be a danger to the children. Bonus points if she doesn't have a job/career where she can support herself. Her seeking help for her disorders works in your favor, as then you have documented proof of her instability. With decent evidence that she can not reasonably care for the children, you should have no problem winning a custody battle, even in the most fucked of states. Worse case scenario, you get equal parenting rights where you get your children half the time, and her the other half. If you had a decent relationship up to the point of your split, and redpilled her thoroughly as you should with any woman, you won't even need to worry about her turning your children against you.
Congratulations, you are now genetically successful (unlike a mgtow) and don't have to worry about a woman shitting all over you!
>>76430008
>real life meetings
I can only imagine the autism
>>76434121
I choose not to read your verbal diarrhea.
Nothing but excuses for why you're a failure. Diversion is common with your type, always shift the blame and conversation, thinking they're more intelligent than everyone around them but couldn't accomplish anything of mention or merit. I get it. I get it anon.
When you say: herrrrderrrr y u no wit it waife herrrderr, but ignore when i say: I'm killing time at the office until i go home to a beautiful meal my wife prepared for us...it negates thr point in conversion with you, as YOU have limited reasoning abilities.
Stop making excuses for why no woman would ever want to be around you.
>>76422827
This
>>76434513
>genetically successful
>having kids with a woman with mental problems
It's better than MGTOW by a long shot, but still better to get a smart woman. She'll help raise your kids right too
>>76434818
assumptions, ad hominems, nothing, just nothing
sure, bubba
>>76433451
This.
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. In my recent years, I've really come to admire and respect the way the finnish conduct anything we set our mind to, especially in construction. It's always near perfection - nothing less will do.
>>76417448
Hei, broder.
They're cucks, because they do not reject the post-modern worldview. They accept men to be reduced at the same level as women, they accept equality between gender etc.
>>76418233
Severely underrated post
Yes I realize the irony of posting this image that I got from twitter on an imageboard while holding these views, ok.
>>76435015
Don't start conversations you're too stupid to maintain in the future.
Sage advice.
Get married, have kids, be normal.
>>76417448
They are people who lack proper communication skills. They are not necessarily bad or good. They just don't know how to communicate effectively and don't know how to read others' emotions and intentions. That results in them falling for the wrong woman which can bring disasters. They also suck at basic statistics since they assume that every woman on earth is like the skank they dated.
>>76434047
keked irl
>>76423041
My friend works in family law and the horror stories she tells me about men being wiped out has permanently drove me away from being married.
Hell she managed to successfully sue a husbands mistress for cheating, I forgot what the laws are called but they exists.
Good for you though.
>>76418652
That guy looks ridiculous but he's actually very articulate and explains his position well.
>>76417448
MGTOW is just an excuse to be a whiny bitch, it's the same as feminism with switched pronouns.
You can't have a big gay orgy to perpetuate your MGTOW ideology, thus your ideology is a death sentence anyway.
Find a sensible woman, work hard at it, built civilization back up, or go extinct.
>>76423041
Um, you sound like a traditional average man. At least my parents are like that. Why everyone is calling you super alpha or whatever? Is it different in the US of A?
>>76417816
This.
MGTOW is anti-white.
>>76437030
Most men in the US dont know how to be men. And those that do just fuck bitches all day and dont marry them.
I sometimes wonder, what did people call the idea of "redpilling" before The Matrix came out?
>>76438190
awakening
>>76434902
Who says a mentally unstable woman can't be smart? You just gotta know how to work em. My wife does a pretty decent job helping raise my kids, follows my lead on pretty much everything, and knows that if she ever tries to fuck me over it's going to go very poorly for her. It's like having all the perks of a subservient japanese waifu, without all the annoying subservient japanese part!
>>76417448
MGTOW
Society hates us so we're going to pussy out
They're like redpillers who instead of standing up for themselves, other men and society, pussied the fuck out and abandoned it.
