ITT we pay our respects to Amerika's last hope
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Why are occupy democrats constantly bashing capitalism?
Their party is an advocator of capitalism, Obama is, Hillary is, even Bernie is
But if we do it under socialism and communism it'll be SO much better!
>>76387736
You do realize that's not an argument, right?
>>76387736
So why doesn't he try to fix capitalism instead of adding more socialism?
>>76387736
New Zombieland, FUCK OFF!
>>76388369
bc capitalism can't be fixed
almost per definitionem
Sanders and socialists in general are right, except for that pesky problem of human nature.
We are going to exploit any system we find ourselves in. Socialism will collapse because people will be lazy fucks and not contribute enough overall to justify how much they take. The aggregate effect will be not enough shit being made and too much trying to be taken, hence breadlines and food shortages.
>>76388369
you dont change the system, the system changes you
>>76387736
>government spending per GDP has ballooned uncontrollably for last 40 years
>brings stated problems
>let's increase government spending everyone! :D
Those Occupy Democrat macros gotta be satire, I'm saving all of them because they are so ludicruously silly.
>>76388496
it can, theere is capitaslism and toxic capitalism
>>76388817
i reckon the non-toxic capitalism would be highly regulated, or how would it be non toxic?
>>76388624
Funny, if you go back before 1960 most of the KKK was registered as Democrats
>Implements hundreds of thousands of regulations
>Over 10000 tariffs just between Europe and USA
>Massive taxes and government spending, 50% corporate tax
>Central Bank is already in QE4 and dollar has lost 99% of its value
>Anti-free speech laws
>LOOK AT THAT FREE MARKET THO
It's like blaming a rotting corpse for murder
>>76389101
>highly
not necessarily. 'Highly' is relative. Regulation like consumer protection, antitrust, anticorruption laws, worker safety are some of the few really necessary. Anything else is gov meddling and political influence i.e. cronyism
>>76387736
>>76389834
>Regulation like consumer protection, antitrust, anticorruption laws, worker safety are some of the few really necessary
so why haven't they been implemented by now or steadily been decreased by govt?
>>76389927
because the State is lobbyism evil. Their are doing the interest of third parties. It's the State's fault, not the capitalists'.
>>76389101
Actually, less regulation, sound money, and a simplified tax system.
The intrusion of the state into the economy creates opportunities for businesses to wield political power in their own interests.
>>76387736
PFFFFFHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>Is a USA thinks they're doing bad and BECAUSE OF CAPITALISM episode
>>76390100
so capitalism would work if it weren't for the lobbycucked politicians?
>>7639029
Absolutely. In a perfect world the gov regulates the market under those few guidelines and the market allocates the resources. Corruption and special interests (lobbies and workers unions) ruin all this process.
>>76390476
Isn't it funny how fighting for capitalism and fighting against it, if we put the memes aside, slowly becoming the same thing - fighting corrupt monopolies lobbying whatever they want? I mean, it's not capitalism anymore, when there's no actual competition
On a side note, kudos, Italia, it's always heartwarming to see people with solid understanding of basic economics.
>>76388369
>So why doesn't he try to fix capitalism instead of adding more socialism?
Capitalism is what it is. It gives capital owners wealth. But a society needs more than just wealth building for a privileged few.
>>76387736
>has come true under capitalism
...with the addition of tons of gibsmedat programs
>>76388555
>Socialism will collapse because people will be lazy fucks and not contribute enough overall to justify how much they take.
You've fallen for a false narrative. Socialism produces more faster than capitalism.
How do you suppose Russia went from being the poorest European serfdom to America's only superpower rival in 50 years
>>76390757
We are a few. In the near future we will have to fight for this ideas because socialism, authoritarianism and protectionism are slowly gaining pace. Sanders and Trump may seem like they are from two different political backgrounds but both fight for protectionism and lobbyism. No one is aware that doing the interest of the lower classes alone is lobbysim just like doing the interest of the 1%. Clinton is bought by special interests. The US is doomed. We have to curb this trend in our countries or it will be grim.
>>76391228
By millions of useless deaths, overall catch-up effects, vast natural resources and shitty living standards. We built a powerful facade, but there wasn't much inside. But keep listening to meme college professors who have literally no idea about how dire USSR was.
>>76389765
>Funny, if you go back before 1960 most of the KKK was registered as Democrats
Lee Atwater's GOP Operation "Southern Strategy". It deliberately lured all the bigots and racists away from the Democratic Party.
>>76387736
What exactly is he talking about? An US household on median has a much bigger disposable income than most of the EU he wants to adapt.
>>76387736
Can someone explain to me why leftists spell "America" with a K? Is it supposed to imply something?
I mean, "AmeriKKKa" is obvious, but nobody really uses that one anymore.
>>76391228
Convergence, as well as possessing the largest oil reserves Inn the world outside of the United States
>>76391374
It really hurts when people think that capitalism is about top 1%, whereas it is more of a middle-class ideology. But middle class is dying out, so, yeah, time to get ready to become an endangered species.
(That being said, I'm living in Moscow, so it almost authomatically puts me into top 7% of Russian population, and my background probably drives me up to 3%, so it might seem hypocritical, even though it's just okay-tier upper-middle household in here. It is still from world 1% though)
>>76391377
but as a sheltered American, let me tell why that wasn't real socialism/communism
because it wasn't
>>76391228
>Russia went from being the poorest European serfdom to America's only superpower rival
It costed the lives of millions of people. Cities were destroyed and relocated near industrial plants to speed efficiency. Workers were indoctrinated and exploited. Political dissidents worked all their life for the State and weren't granted nor wage nor liberty. The Siberian meme was real. Assets were confiscated and sold to finance the State. The USSR was hell on Earth. There are so many sources on this that it's impossible to ignore. East Germans fled East Germany by the tens of thousands when it was conquered. The Russians built a wall to prevent the exodus.
>>76392144
B-but my professor told me the USSR was literally paradise!
>>76388369
Because capitalism isn't "broken" these things he describes are a by-product of capitalism working exactly as intended - by accumulating wealth into the capital owning class whilst the share of the wealth owned by the working class diminishes year on year.
>>76388555
>Sanders and socialists in general are right, except for that pesky problem of human nature.
"Human nature" is a cop out, a cliche, a platitude
>>76391893
There never was, as it's not even possible, if you talk about Marx. The only possible way is Gramsci's recipe, which is more or less working in Europe, but it has little to do with meme Marxism.
But actually, we're both spiralling into no true scotsman fallacy. The facts are that flawed capitalism works, and flawed communism goes to shit.
>>76391228
Where did the soviet union get its technology from in order to become this massive super-power?
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/ford-signs-agreement-with-soviet-union
>(A week after the deal was announced the Soviet Union would announce deals with 15 other foreign companies, including E.I. Du Pont de Nemours and RCA.)
>>76392360
in truth I think it only works when you have a small homogenous population that's like minded, which is why it was working in Europe for awhile before this refugee crisis (I could be wrong but that's my take)
>>76391377
Most Russians I know and speak to him (there's a lot in London) don't feel that way about the USSR.
My general impression is for a long period of time Russians were more-or-less satisfied with it, since it was built on a trade-off between giving up basic democratic rights and liberties in exchange for a quite generous degree of social welfare provision - the USSR had a welfare state nearly as comprehensive as that of Western Europe despite historically being much poorer than western Europe.
>>76391377
How do you think the American Empire was made, Ivan?
Banana Wars. Ecuador. Bolivia. Guatemala. Venezuela. Any time a real democracy arises, they are swiftly crushed and they become part of the American shadow empire.
A mixed market, worker owned economy is the way forward.
Except it hasn't. I can quit my job anytime, my savings are fine, I get a vote like everyone else and I have the freedom to have more than others
>>76392523
Wouldn't the blame for that lie with the people who refuse to act in solidarity with a non-white person the way they would with a white person?
I always thought it was a great historical irony that the racism of the American working class and their hatred of the idea of "them" getting free stuff cheated them out of a welfare state and healhcare system of European standards.
>>76389765
Didnt some big leader of the kkk endorse hillary?
>>76387736
Sanders was too good to be president of such an ungrateful country.
>>76392523
The refugees are social problem not a fiscal problem. The welfare State In Europe became unsustainable in the late eighties. The State wasn't able to face all the needs of the citizen. The Social democratic dream ended in the late eighties. You all anti capitalists live in the past. Since then, every country has been making efforts to curb State expenditure and ease the fiscal pressure. Special interests and corruption spread like flies on a steaming pile of shit. You neo-social democrats think the solution is an old problem. This is unbelievable.
>>76392579
Keep in mind the Russians you know and speak to and are were "satisfied" are not the ones who were sent to gulags as slave labour for the crime of not being "satisfied".
>>76387736
Its not the end but a beginning.
>>76388005
They aren't dems. They're a growing faction of communists in the left and its scaring the shit out of me
>>76392996
Yeah but we're also talking about people who grew up in the 1970's and 1980's, not during Stalin's purges of the 1930's.
People talk of the Soviet Union and forget that it lasted quite a long time, 73 years or so, and that some bits where much better than others.
Also worth remembering too that the regime the Sovet Union replaced (the Tsars) were every bit as autocratic and ruthless as the Soviet Union but without the willingness to embrace modernity. The society that replaced the USSR, the IMF sponsored oligarch gang-rape of the early 1990's, was also a damn sight worse than the Soviet Union.
Add this all up then all those polls of Russians who regard the fall of the Soviet Union as a bad thing and who have a positive attitude towards communism start to make a lot more sense.
Helps that I work teaching a lot of ex-Soviet people English a second language so I get chance to talk about this without all the hyperbole of westerners drunk on anti-communist propaganda.
>>76393228
>They're a growing faction of communists in the left and its scaring the shit out of me
This current demographic that's young right now is the most left-wing economically since the 1920's. The Sanderistas are just the vanguard, the current democratic establishment has about one election cycle left in it before these millenial socialists take the whole thing over.
>>76393499
Millennial social democrats will ALL shift to the right when they will start to save for their future and/or they will start to work and pay taxes. This happens all the time with all generation. The dream ends when reality knocks on the front door.
>>76392731
Robert Byrd.
There is a statue of him in the capital building.
>>76392579
The nostalgia is huge. You can find a shitton of soviet-branded stuff in stores because people love it. But it's how the memory works: they remember nice people and not caring too much about things you buy (because you could buy almost nothing), but no the queues in stores with empty shelves.
Background is important as well: Moscow and Spb never were complete shitholes, Latvia kicked major ass.
Free higher education and hospitals though. It's still working, by the way.
Also, if they're in London now, chances are they come from a rich background, and this might imply having strong government connections and, thus, different access to goods.
>>76393635
>Millennial social democrats will ALL shift to the right when they will start to save for their future and/or they will start to work and pay taxes.
This is commonly stated but rarely backed up with facts or evidence. Some might - and you're making a very big assumption that every young person out there is going to end up with a decent secure job paying income taxes - but generally people stick with the political views they develop in their late teens and early 20's, just as with tastes in music.
>>76391402
"Disposable income"
Right until you have a dire need of education, health, or in between jobs. Then the income goes from "disposable" to "not enough", because you haven't been putting some income into state-regulated insurance policies that pool the risk between everybody so that no-one, on average, goes needy.
It's not that capitalism is failing its that middle class business is being legislated against through lobbying.
The left seeks the eradication of the middle class and that is what we are seeing with this erosion of economic liberalism.
The problem is lobbying. Originally it was used by the rich to promote free market ideals but nowadays it is being used to eliminate competition.
This is the problem.
Government owning business or business owning government, There's very little difference between a communist government and a corporate one.
Capitalism isn't a government type.
>>76387736
>tfw no McCarthy
we literally need witch hunts again to get rid of these commies
>>76393754
Political beliefs and social beliefs may remain the same but fiscal policy becomes increasingly important to them, to the point that anyone who dares to raise taxes loses the vote of the sane worker. The idealistic worker, who enjoys tax raises, is generally sadomasochistic and mentally ill and nothing can be done about him.
>>76391228
What would have it been like if the Mensheviks (moderate socialists) had kept control, and thwarted Lenin's revolution? Opening themselves to Western markets could have been a more efficient way to grow without killing everybody and destroying their own culture.
Also, you're forgetting that the Soviets got a lot of their wealth by conquering their neighbors. Russia sucked the life force out of the surrounding Slavic countries, and they are suffering today as a result. Poland managed to catch-up relatively well due to its close ties to the West.
>>76393714
>But it's how the memory works: they remember nice people and not caring too much about things you buy (because you could buy almost nothing), but no the queues in stores with empty shelves
That's true even in countries like Poland and East Germany y'know, and they had much reason to hate the soviet union than Russians did. My Polish students hate the USSR as a general rule, but they've all got stories about various little things they miss and how things are how they were in the old days.
The Russians I speak to on the other miss it cos even if it was a one party state with tons of problems, at least it was stable, at least the infrastructure functioned. Compared to the chaos of the 1990's I can imagine the late 80's USSR under Gorbachev as being a much better time and place. I remember one guy, who worked driving an excavator and had been a party member at one point (so he said) told "it was shit, but at least things functioned, in the 1990's government was just taken over by gangsters" he's the most articulate one that I teach by miles too.
>>76394004
That's a strong "what if", but I have a better one.
Ever heard of NEP? Lenin and Trotsky remembered that economy is a thing and actually turned to state capitalism. It worked, and the country actually made it past pre-WWI figures (don't forget about Civil War that happened after).
Then Stalin came and everything went full retard.
>>76394004
>What would have it been like if the Mensheviks (moderate socialists) had kept control, and thwarted Lenin's revolution?
They were a minority though - the words Bolshevik and Menshevik mean Majority and Minority respectively. As such I doubt they'd have been able to survive the civil war and the wars of intervention. The Soviet Union would've ended some time in the early 1920's and all those moderate socialists would've been shot.
The reason why Lenin succeeded and the other groups (Social Revolutionaries, Mensheviks etc) didn't is because Lenin was ruthless as fuck, and following the collapse of Tsarism only the most ruthless bastards surived, a sort of weird revolutionary Darwinism. Even though the SR's and Mensheviks had wide popular support, only the Bolsheviks had the sort of disciplined party structure and organisation that could effectively take over the running of a huge empire with a power vacuum like Russia was after 1917.
>>76393813
Truth has been spoken. Lobbyism ruins everything because it does the interest of a few at the expense of others. Lobbyism takes many forms: lower classes lobbyism, trade unionism, private trusts, state monopolies, oligopolies, secret agreements.
You clearly haven't lived in a socialist country right? You have no idea what are you talking about.
First of all Germany, Sweden and all the Nordic countries that you will probably quote, are not socialist, they are social democrats.
Second socialism has always fail and lead into poverty and misery.
Third, communism is a socialist country with no state, in other words there is not such thing as communist government.
>>76387736
> Everything we feared about communism
Personally what I fear about communism is being put into a camp for my political views or starving to death due to shitty economic policies.
>/pol/ will defend this
>>76394540
/pol/ loves Trump because he rustles leftist jimmies. No one thinks his policies are sound.
>>76394540
Umm, both?
Moron
>>76393228
i'm sure it's very scary for a child who has never worked a day in his life.
thanks for the laugh
>>76394099
Everybody says that, actually (the most used phrase is that "Gorbachev ruined all the factories"). Late 80s were interesting though. Gorbachev started slowly implementing free speech and there were first commercial structures ("cooperatives") appearing.
I'm not a big fan of communism, but it seems that the country was slowly moving to something similar to what we see in Europe - social government with market. Needless to say, IMF-style shit didn't work at all.
My father has some nice stories. He finished university and he was sure that his life is more or less over, and it will be only designing anti-tank rockets from now on. He took some money, called his mother and went travelling across western part of USSR for 3 weeks. It was the 80s, and he really enjoyed it.
>>76394666
>>What I said makes no sense? j/k!!
When in doubt, run for the lulz
>>76394540
>Workers number one priority
>Lower taxes so everyone can have more money
I see no problem with this
>>76394764
I don't understand your point.
>>76394540
Like, workers will have their tax money. It's how economics works.
>tfw responding to bait
>>76394540
How is that false equivalency? Lower taxes help middle America and gives them more buying power.
However the extent Trump goes is to rip up free trade deals and balance trade deficits while kickstarting the secondary industry and have more shit made in America, how is that not a Workers Party ideal?
>>76394861
Maybe you can't read. That's OK, all you have to do to vote Trump is go into the voting booth and shit on the ballot.
>>76394540
>rich people are always evil and can't help the working class!
Bernie is a millionaire. Most politicians are rich and/or famous before and during their career, it's a sign of capitalist meritocracy.
>working-class interests
This is true. The working class benefits from reduced immigration, that reduces the competition for labor jobs and keeps the wages for labor jobs high. Also, tariffs and protectionist trade laws are another means of increasing the value of native labor.
>lower taxes across the board
More money in working-class hands, also less burden of them having to fill-out tax forms, and thus less risk legal punishment for not doing their taxes correctly. Also, this is statement is not fully explained in that pic. Trump wants to reduce taxes, but he also wants to eliminate the current tax loopholes, so that the businesses won't be able cheat. I most cases, it will be a more effective means of taxation. Trump also supports state-based government healthcare; like what Romney passed in Massachusetts.
>>76394226
Lenin and Trotsky were actually acting in a more genuinely Marxist way than Stalin.
If Uncle Joe had even bothered to read some Marx he'd have known straight up you can't go from being an agricultural fuedal economy to being an collectively owned communist society with no private property in the space of 10 years. It took England nearly 2 centuries to go from feudalism to agrarian capitalism (1500-1700 ish) and another 2 centuries to from there to being industrial capitalism (1700-1900) and that's not even taking into account the hypothetical stretch of time need to go the next state in Marx's iron law of history, socialism. Lenin knew this, so he modeled the NEP on agrarian capitalism, the idea was to have something like a mixed economy up until such time the Western states had their own revolution, but Stalin comes along and wrecks the whole fucking thing.
>>76395039
Damn nigger. Do I seem like I'm going to vote Trump? What's my flag again? That pic is a meme and it does not represent Trump's policies. His policies are dangerous in the long run if you take all of them into account. No sane person can vote for him. But if I were American I would vote for him still because I want the left jimmies rustled to the max. Then, if things get really bad I would emigrate.
>>76388555
This except you forget that it works (in part) in Europe due to a good culture (which is currently being undermined by multiculturalism).
>>76391228
>
kek.
>>76394764
Ask somebody who knows, not an Italian memer.
see: >>76395050
>>76395050
>>politicians are rich = meritocracy
>>mysides
Take money out of politics. Eliminate lobbying.
>>reduced immigration and protectionism
Enjoy paying 40 bucks for a T-shirt at Wal-Mart. Salaries will rise but that won't make up for the increase in cost of life.
>>lower taxes is good because American tax forms are too complicated
Simplify the forms and the tax code by all means, it takes me one hour to do my taxes in Communist Europe. But the rich are sliding by without paying their fair due and the top tax rate should increase.
>>76394540
>Pinko Commies will defend this
>>76395220
>His policies are dangerous in the long run if you take all of them into account.
Proofs?
>>76395256
It does not work in the long run. All Europe's governments are taking measures to lower State expenditures. The refugees are a meme. They represent a social problem. The State's waste is way greater than that. The social democratic meme state is unsustainable and taxes can't be raised more to finance all that semi socialist shit.
>>76395155
>thinking the Western states would've allowed a bunch of capitalist farmers to exist if they could've just taken all their land and oil
>implying Stalin didn't built a superpower
>implying Lenin's fantasyland where no country would attack a weak looking country and where everyone can hold hands and work hard and be comrades forever xoxoxo could ever exist
keep dreaming senpai
>>76388140
Not an argument.
>>76394835
>lower taxes across the board
>middle class gets 2000 dollars more a year
>rich get millions or billions extra
>social security dies
>medicare dies
>military dies
AMERICA STRONGK
>>76389765
>le parties didn't change meme
>>76395546
True, that's why I placed the "(in part)", because it works for a few generations, and then it kind of falls apart. Thing is, is that due to inherent problems due to social democracy, or due to immigration fucking shit up or other external problems, or due to internal problems caused by politicians or the people who've forgotten to value their wealthy lifestyles and have fallen to decadency
>>76395737
>implying rich people are stupid enough to get taxed on their millions anyways.
Fucking poorfags don't even understand how rich people stay/become more rich.
>>76391893
nice meme
>>76395155
Totally agree. 20's were truly glorious - the art was top-tier, science was booming as well.
I feel that Lenin and Trotsky, however crazy some of their ideas might be, genuinely cared about country, they actually wanted USSR to become a nice place. Stalin only cared about power though. Lenin actually warned the party that Stalin was the least suitable candidate to rule.
>>76392583
Shhhh no truth allowed
>>76393929
ebin
>>76395828
So you just come out and say that the rich are parasites?
>>76395494
>Enjoy paying 40 bucks for a T-shirt at Wal-Mart. Salaries will rise but that won't make up for the increase in cost of life.
I doubt the costs of goods will go that high, though I do know it will increase at little bit; as will wages.
Even if the prices go up, does that disqualify the other benefits of having a nationalistic society? Let's face it, the working class has strong ethnic, nationalist, and religious values. They are also at the highest security risk, because they have to actually live among the minority settlements; while the rich, including leftist politicians that get huge salaries, live in gated white communities. Bernie Sanders spent most of his life in the northeast, and Vermont - which is 96% white and borders Canada. Maybe that's why he doesn't give a shit about people who live on the Mexican border.
The problem with both hardcore communists and hardcore capitalists, is that they ignore national/cultural plights. Is getting shekels the most important thing in life? Also, aren't you a bit hypocritical for wanting chinks and poos to slave away for you, while you claim to be helping the working class globally?
>>76395520
Berlusconi is a living meme.
I'm talking about the protectionist measures of Trump. He wants to protect the interests of American firms by curbing competition with tariffs and deregulation. Outsourcing to Mexico is a good thing, it boosts competition and lowers prices. You do want low prices do you? If Trump enforces tariffs the prices of foreign goods will skyrocket. When countries curb imports, they will expect their exports to be curbed by others. American firms will find increasingly difficult to export to other countries.
The tariffs will close the markets and relieve American firms of foreign competition and outsourced competition. Lower competition means efficiency and efficacy will become secondary, at the expense of the consumer. First, American firms will see their revenues go up because no competition makes firms raise prices. Then, closed markets saturate and the limited possibility of exporting goods will erode revenue and many jobs will be lost.
Trump is lobbying with the American entrepreneurs. They want more revenues and curbing competition is a way to achieve that. He makes no mystery of this, he always says he has a lot of business world friends. He only wants to make muh job meme real but it will be detrimental. There is no proof except historical events like the protectionist wave of post WW1.
Other policies are sound. Lowering taxes and state intervention are sound policies, but they can be achieved only if he does not raise military expense which is already huge. Federalized education is sound.
Anyone have that comic of the guy telling the capitalist he is stealing from the workers and then the capitalist gives a long diatribe why he's an idiot and wrong?
>>76396616
>Outsourcing to Mexico is a good thing, it boosts competition and lowers prices
>You do want low prices do you?
Not if it comes at the cost of American live-able wage jobs.
Try harder Jew.
>>76396331
Rich people are doing the same thing poor people are doing; trying to maximize their standard of living given the situation they are in. Instead of trying to punish them for doing that or removing the incentive to do that try to channel that motivation into a system that benefits everyone.
>>76391228
>Russia went from a poor farming country to a poor farming country that claimed to be America's rival superpower in only 50 years... and millions of dead slave laborers.
Ftfy
>>76396995
So you have conceded. Anyway -
What system would that be, anon?
Those poor rich people, trying to make 6 million a year instead of 4.
>>76396706
You mean this?
>>76397175
Danke, brother. Seems you have a bunch more. May I ask you to do a cleanse dump?
>>76396934
I'll always be thankful that there's an entire country between us and Mexico.
>>76396904
>>76396934
Immigration policies are sound too. Enough with the spics and the muslims. But his trade policies still are not.
It's not the State's job to secure low wage jobs. If a company outsources they can do it. Who cares. The worker must accept it and move on and he has to accept that fact that his poor education made him expendable. The state should create programs to make it possible for the worker to find another job quickly.
I think /pol/ needs to shill hard to keep bernouts donating, not only that we need to convince people to write him in on the ballot in Nov. A vote taken away from Democrats is a win for Trump
>>76392954
my first post was a joke m8, guess I shouldve added pic related.
>>76393799
>because you haven't been putting some income into state-regulated insurance policies that pool the risk between everybody
and have such bad terms no one in their right mind would buy them in a free market
>>76397175
Why do these leftists always complain about muh means of production?
You can own the fucking means of production collectively in a capitalist society, it's called a fucking partnership.
>>76388452
NOT AN
>>76395220
shit im voting for him to see system collapse.shit is beyond broken here.
extremes are bad in any system and when capitalism fails it gets cannibalistic.
top 1% are sucking the tit dry and to make $ up for more leeches in the system and declining revenue in cities cities are fining and jailing people all over the fuckin place.
jail isnt just for niggers anymore.
debt felonies are now real.you dont pay tickets that are non criminal-shit like parking tickets and ur going to jail.And tgat shit is indefinite.till u pay ur in jail.
if you dont have money in this country you are a criminal,period.And with rising defecits and a major major fucking crash on the way under current laws the entirety of the united states will end up in jail.capitalism is just another system that can be good but when unchecked turns into a misery machine.family courts are based on soviet era communist shit u dont pay support-no matter if its way beyond what u even make u go to jail indefinitely.theres no law stating u couldnt sit in jail for life,never committing a crime.
>>76397645
Funny offtopic fact: working in a factory in Moscow actually pays well. Qualified workers - like good wielders, for instance - get even more. It sounds crazy, but you easily get a better paycheck than a teacher or a doctor. A friend of mine is has physics diploma and works calibrating various machines - he gets much more than actual physicist can even imagine to get.
Yet, people don't go there, because relevant professional education is unprestigious.
>>76398180
That's called crony capitalism
What you're thinking of is a worker co-op, and that's a social democratic idea.
>>76398215
what's the pay in ruskie bucks?
>>76392348
Found the 100-level gender studies fag
>>76398307
>and that's a social democratic idea.
Every range of ideas are possible in a capitalist society as long as they don't interfere with the freedoms of others. Socialism and Communism can exist in a capitalist society, it just has to be agreed upon by all the involved parties. That means on a local level.
>>76393754
>This is commonly stated but rarely backed up with facts or evidence.
Oh yeah? So every boomer is still a communist hippie who rolls around in mud-pit orgies?
>>76398331
My friend gets 120k russkiebucks a month after tax. About $4k pre-devaluation, around $1,8k now. Average salary in Moscow is around 50-60k
ha!
>>76398521
Except when the idea isn't expressly private ownership of the means of production.
capitalism isn't just the "western world", it's an economic and/or political ideology build on the idea that individuals can own the means of production
most of the programs americans like - social security, medicare, medicaid - those are group owned and government operated. they aren't capitalist in any way
