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>>76324671
You should have the right to. The community and the family should enforce values and how we conduct ourself instead of letting the state.
>people wonder why nobody takes them seriously
This is your brain on libertarianism.
>>76324810
hahaha what the fuck?
>>76324810
I fucking hope this is real. What a fucking lunatic.
>average lolbertarian
>>76324671
cringe compilation, here ya go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb8cErokGFs
>>76324810
W-wat
>>76324810
Hardcore shit or batshit insane?
Probably good old lies
>>76324810
That's not how quantum immortality works.
>>76324671
Libertarians used to run this place, where'd they go? Seriously?
Voting third party in USA is like staying home and not voting at all.
>>76325775
>WE WUZ LIBERTARIANS
>>76325775
They got red pilled.
>>76325775
they got hardcore memed out of existence
>>76325829
What made you change your mind? Are you still anti-authoritarian, or did you do a 360 on that because of a celebrity?
Some libertarians only care about being an ideologically pure libertarian, and not about actually shrinking the government. That's why some of them embrace open borders, despite open borders being a death sentence for small government.
>>76325933
>360
don't you mean 180?
>>76326056
it's a meme, you dip
>>76325933
Demographics. Also, religious adherence to free markets is stupid.
>>76326036
How do open borders destroy small government exactly?
>>76326056
>>76326088
wew lad
>>76324671
You have anything against voluntarism, Vilhjalmur?
>>76325775
Huxley got it right.
>>76326126
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/04/04/v-politics-values-and-religion/?src=prc-number
>>76324810
based Living Meme McAfee
>>76326036
Open borders has nothing to do with being a "pure " libertarian, that's just literally one of the things you believe in as a libertarian because libertarians believe in self-ownership over state ownership
>buttmad statists
>>76325775
Pushed out by Trump fans the same way they pushed out Nazis before them.
>>76326126
Everybody turn into fascists.
>>76326430
>Open borders has nothing to do with being a "pure " libertarian
>proceeds to explain why all true™ libertarians believe in open borders
>>76325538
Just awful. How can they build roads if they can't even hold a simple convention?
>>76326126
Because the people who come in are not libertarian. And their future children won't be either. Look at the demographics of people who vote libertarian.
>>76326126
no borders means people will come in who will vote in a bigger guburment
>>76326621
all libertarians believe in open borders idiot, even the Republican ones.
Here's a revelation, Trump isn't a libertarian.
>>76326731
>no true scotsman again
Okay kiddo.
>>76325781
low quality b8
>>76324789
This.
If your kid is buying heroin you're the problem.
>>76325775
well the name is embarrassing because of the depths the LP sank to in order to get attention in DC.
>>76326731
So what the fuck were you disagreeing with me for then? Your post makes no sense.
>>76326815
what is libertarian about closed borders? Absolutely nothing, which is why every libertarian philosopher was for open borders. Read a fucking book for once.
>>76325775
Libertarians don't reply to non arguments.
>>76325775
Stop spreading this lie.
>>76325775
They SERIOUSLY had no good answers to questions a five year old could think of, all within the "In a libertarian society, what is stopping me from doing X?"
>>76324789
>>76326832
Are you fucking retarded?
Small Government is actually the solution for most of our problems though.
Funny how people here all seem to hate the idea even though early America was basically Libertarian in most sense.
You're all dummies.
>banning child prostitution violates the NAP
>>76327009
Off the top of my head, Hoppe isn't exactly for open borders.
Anyways, you're missing the point of the Brit's argument as well as mine.
>>76327119
not an argument commie
>>76325775
They finally graduated college
>>76327152
No, I actually support smaller governments in general, but religious adherence to the non-aggression principle is stupid. Coercion is not automatically wrong.
>>76327164
child prostitution is an initiation of force. Children do not want to be prostituted.
>>76326540
The Trump contingent is the Nazi contingent desu. Half the libertarians became Trump fans and abandoned any pretense of consistency and the other half migrated to 8ch
>>76327009
>he is a minarchist
>doesn't think the government should own the land that borders foreign countries
>that should belong to its original owners, private citizens
>private citizens have a deed which lays out their own property borders
>the government's job is to secure his private property, among other things, against aggression, because that's libertarianism! private property rights!
>but they shouldn't build a wall and stop people from just walking right over and into their land! closed borders aren't libertarian!
you guys aren't even libertarians. you're just insane.
>>76326832
>>76324789
A significant number of people are too stupid to raise their kids as it is.
You think removing all these laws would somehow make society better as a whole?
>>76325775
I became an anarcho-primitivist
>this guy lost to Gary "Open Borders" Johnson
>Gary "gun control is libertarian" Johnson
>>76327355
A lot of libertarians are just micro fascists. They prefer the absolute power of propriety to the arbitrary power of the state.
>>76324671
does anyone have the video of OP's pic or a timecode for it and the video?
I'll make one if there isn't one on youtube yet that shit is gold.
>>76325362
>What's adoption
>>76327298
yes it is. government isn't a moral institution. your opinion is that coercion should be used when warranted, and that's fine, but that will never be Morally Right. it doesn't have to be, to have a functioning society, even if it ought to be so when a utopian idea is being expounded. who says we can build a utopia? nobody serious, no matter what their politics are.
but, the fact of the matter is you will never do anything right unless you have these facts straight in your head first. government is force. resorting to force before it is warranted is aggression.
if instead you try to rewrite the rules of morality to think what you are doing is blessed by god -- for what else is the point of moral behavior? -- then no matter how small of a government you start with, you will end up with an islam-like religious state and you will fail.
>>76327820
Why would you even need nukes in an ancap utopia? There would be no war.
>>76327915
to set them off for fun, obviously. somewhere safe.
>>76327448
Government is stifiling the elements of humanity which prevent less intelligent human beings from making better choices.
Without the government, raising children would be a job done with about a hundredfold of today's responsibility.
Funny how you are avoiding the argument of local voluntary participation in communities forcing people to make meaningful choices in wether or not they choose to participate or be ostracized due to bad parenting.
Life would be much much better for children. They would spent much more time with family / people that are supposed to fill in family roles.
Today it's daycare and daytime tv and government subsidized tenure-up-the-ass-teachers.
>>76327792
Good luck breathing when I own all the air bitch
>>76326467
>ha statists r stoopid
>how r u questining me u cant ebin driv in her
>>76327869
Don't you realize you yourself are literally guilty of the exact same thing you accused me of? Have some self-awareness.
>>76327984
Ah yes. All because we've banned the sale of heroin to children.
>>76325775
i've never been full libertarian (anarchist). I lean libertarian economically and socially.
but the biggest change is I'm realizing non-whites are mentally unable to sustain a civilization. i still don't like the republican party on most issues but Trump isn't a republican.
>>76324671
darryl perry has my vote
>>76327792
>Hoard water
>Don't trade
>Die of hunger, weather conditions, lack of safety because everybody else voluntarily chose not to offer you a single thing
>Le unstumpable froggy pepe meme
>>76327984
Schools are an ancient institution
They spend too much time in daycare because women spend too much time working because kikes and feminists wanted to double the labor force
>>76328099
assuming that people are allowed to leave Rapetown, what's wrong with this?
>>76324671
The correct answer would have been
>I believe the person selling heroin should have the moral fortitude to deny the sale, however, if he still completes the transaction... Then the community, small group of individuals, or maybe just the parents or relatives of the 5 y.o. should find resolution.
True Kekbertarian A.M.A.
>>76327820
>Be american government
>Nuke the shit out of Japan
>Destroy middle-east
>complain about ancap society having potential nukes and shit
Libertarians sacrificed their integrity to win the Meme Wars and STILL lost
>>76324789
Do your realize how many kids would try drugs just out of curiosity? Half of the fucking population would be worthless drug-heads in 4 years.
>>76327858
this please.
>>76326637
The party is in complete disarray, and most of them hate their nominee. He got booed at constantly. If it weren't for the fact that they are trying to be a catch-all for protest votes, they'd be dying along with the major parties.
>>76327164
>democrats
>worshiping the constitution
pick one
>>76324810
What's the secret to the magic trick? And gun guys know?
>>76327903
Nothing wrong with that
>sociopath gene dies out
>tfw you live in a government ruled society and your sociopath gene continues and spreads because of government funding for your 7 improperly raised children.
>>76325698
How does it work then?
>>76324789
>Absolutely retarded
>>76328255
People who dont want to be raped?
>>76327858
http://www.c-span.org/video/?409916-1/libertarian-party-holds-presidential-debate
this should be the vid..just gotta find the spot
>>76328600
people who don't want to be raped can leave, if you are ok with getting raped, you can stay. The only problem I can see with this is children being raised there
I knew the Rand Paul fanfiction I saved would come in handy one day
>>76328600
>conscript people to go die to take over rape down because rape is bad and those people chose to live there
statist/10
>>76325775
A lot of the people you see in le alt-right meme were libertarians who moved over to fascism to secure the existence of their people.
>>76328125
But this one is true. If you can't fire anybody over any reason at any time when you OWN the company, it isn't yours anymore. If the people want to organize and strike for a better deal, that's another thing but if the government is forcing you to hire/keep certain people when you don't want to that's wrong. Even if the reason is noble and reasonable like better working conditions.
>Nazis' only argument against Libertarianism is claiming that we're AnCaps
You're just proving us right with your stale memes.
>>76326278
wew lad that chart boils my blood.
http://www.c-span.org/video/?409916-1/libertarian-party-holds-presidential-debate
FOUND IT
2:00:50
LOL
>>76328117
Strawman? Really?
>>76328241
Calling something ancient is not an argument. School is an amazing institution and it's sad that you cannot see that because all you know is government education and the stifling of private education because of the unfair (theft money mobster funded) competition from government schools.
Women spend too much time working because government subsidizes people with kids.
People change their behaviour dependant on incentives. Women would not have the incentives to avoid spending time with their own kids (same thing for men by the way) if there were not government funding of dem prohgramzz.
>>76328889
This.
When will the libertarianism/classical liberalism = anarchy meme die?
>>76328681
great
2.5 hours of libertarian autism
>>76325538
holy shit
This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy.
I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. Then, I brushed my teeth with that water, filtered to standards set by the EPA and my state.
After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.
At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank and printed by the Federal Bureau of Engraving and Printing. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.
>>76328727
What normal human would want to be raped? And no it wouldn't work at all.
>>76328393
Taxation.jpg
>libertarian
>>76324671
>>76328889
A disturbingly large portion of you people believe in completely retarded things like open borders or selling heroin to children whether you are a full anarchist or not. You're all also free traders.
>""natsocs"" hate freedom
color me surprised
>>76329026
yea cpsna is good at finding spots, i found the spot it's like one did in the background see
>>76328962
>>76326825
Because of the electoral college, yeah it basically is
>>76329079
>What normal human would want to be raped?
up to 90% of women depending on what poller you ask
>And no it wouldn't work at all.
other than your feelings, why not?
>>76329075
I park my car on the street, paved and maintained by the Department of Transportation, and put quarters issued by the United States Mint into the parking meter.
Then, after spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, I drive back to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and the fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.
I then log onto the Internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on freerepublic and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right. Keep government out of my Medicare!
The irony of laws enforcing morality is that more authoritians societies become more degenerate they become
When Goverment becomes the people's God. Society decays.
>>76329008
Never. These twats have to willfully keep themselves ignorant to continue believing in socialism/collectivism.
Small govt works, but you need laws and no open boarders/
Sounds like you are anarcho-caps.
>>76328889
Too bad the NAP practically forbids all drug-related enforcement and anyone from getting involved in the affairs of other families' choices. In practice you must allow 5-year-olds to buy heroin.
>>76328632
>here's my proof that libertarians are dumb by showing people complain about libertarians!
>>76329210
No, because most women don't want to be raped.
(uness chad thundercocks does it.)
>>76328535
It's just probability math. You're making an assumption based off inductive reasoning through your knowledge of probability. That's all.
>>76324671
Capitalism = Property Rights and Rule of Law
No government = No law = No property rights
>>76327347
How do you know?
>>76329178
Ok I'm going to upload it to jewtube
>>76326271
they were both correct. The control of information is getting tighter by the day.
>>76329026
what stops the peasants from revolting?
>>76328889
Of course they do that- every 'le alt-right' faggot has an IQ under 100. Pretty much by definition, because authoritarianism and collectivism appeals to the lowest members of society because it justifies attacking their betters- their 'ideology, ' just like communism, is nothing but organized thievery and organized murder.
>>76329495
If they wanted it they would ask for it.
>mfw people are actually defending Rapetown
>>76329079
Then what's the fucking problem you moron? Rapetown wouldn't even exist.
>>76329110
Putting yellow and black in your picture and calling it libertarians does not make it libertarian. Replacing populace is an initiation of force.
>>76329390
Business wouldn't have it any other way. Only edgy teenagers and grown men with the minds of teenagers are actually unironically libertarian.
>>76329276
suck it, literally no one likes people like you
Libertarians are a joke, a waste
>>76329110
>replace
You think anyone's going to push you somewhere else?
>>76325538
Holy shit.... literally the party of autists
>>76328125
then your company will fail lmao
syndicates are allowed in a libertarian society, they are voluntary associations.
>>76329339
so Rapetown would be populated by a bunch of hot guys and kinky sluts, and everyone who didn't like it wouldn't go there
>>76328140
Neither of those things contradict each other
>>76325775
An image board is an absolutely horrible platform to formulate arguments about how market forces would replace the need for arbitrary legislation.
Also, the "I could own a nuke in a libertarian society lol" can't wrap their heads around the difference between libertarian and Ancap
>>76329137
Open borders is not retarded. Without government subidization dumb useless losers would not want to get into high IQ societies. Also since private property is all over, immigration would come to find borders pretty fucking quickly.
Selling heroin to kids is the parents' fault not to mention this would literally never happen.
If someone voluntarily enters rapetown then it's not rape, is it.
Checkmate libertarians.
>>76328727
Riddle me this: how could you be raped if you are willingly living in rape town?
>>76329811
kek
>>76325775
Starved to death after they found they couldn't survive on 0.25/hour.
>>76324671
libertarians are awful
>>76329786
Immigrants are attracted by economic opportunity not welfare. Unless you prohibit the employment of non locals then yes it would still be a problem.
>>76329879
except stealing water is considered an act of aggression you retard, and people will revolt against that
why are statists so retarded with their memes?
>>76324671
>libertarians
>just making anarchy shittier and capitalist
>>76329644
He will have to move elsewhere unless he wants to live like a mexican making less than minimum wage and 10 people living in a house.
>>76324671
a big fat joke
>>76324671
>the authority to sell medicine to the guardian of a 5 year old should rest with the town/municipality, not the federal government
>saying that is somehow a bad thing
retarded...
>>76329539
the NAP
revolutions are violent, all the land is the private property of the king leased to barons and landed knights
>>76329786
More fantasy.
Lower IQ people will move to higher IQ societies since there would be more economic opportunity even without the existence of the welfare state. In the long run, that drags us all down.
>Selling heroin to kids is the parents' fault not to mention this would literally never happen.
Some parents are really fucking stupid and might make decisions that fuck up their kids. Shouldn't we have laws in place that deter them from destructive practices like giving kids heroin? There is literally no social benefit to people using heroin.
>>76329787
>>76329811
you guys got me, libertarianism is finished
>>76329539
Fear of death. They would prevail but who would go first?
>>76327119
Are you fucking retarded? If the kid isn't rich then yeah it's good
>>76329539
The people used to "protect' them will also surpress them?
>>76330031
modern liberals corrupted classical liberalism in the same fashion
>>76329026
>what the fuck is the second amendment and the right for everyone to bear arms
>>76325538
an actual, real-life politician literaly said "muh roads"
>>76330103
Your labor isn't worth very much to other people if you'd make less than minimum wage selling it. Maybe you're not worth much yourself?
>>76326825
leave troll.
>>76326815
sure bud
>>76327009
Read a book
>>76324671
>implying the feds have any business regulating heroin sales to 5 year olds
>>76324810
opposite effect
>im converted
>>76329572
No one like you people you FREAK! non-libs are a joke.
>>76329390
You're an idiot
>Hey I made this cool constitution type thing to go along with the policing company we have set up. Would you guys like to join in on both of these services?
>yeah sure, where do I sign to agree to the terms?
>Seems cool but I'll pass. Good luck to you guys!
There, voluntary justice system.
>>76328554
it doesn't
>>76329658
STFU autist.
>>76330272
>what the fuck is the second amendment and the right for everyone to bear arms
spooks
>>76330146
This argument is against lolberts right?
>>76329178
Ok it's up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2Nad1b_3yY
>>76330123
You're a joke.
>>76330439
awww u are like baby.
>>76324671
Isn't Libertarianism just a stage in someone's political evolution most often during their late teens?
It's like acne.
Most people shed it in their teens, but some poor unfortunate souls are tormented with this brain rot into their old age.
>>76330146
You don't own something just by claiming you own it. Which is all that virtually all "kings" or states have done throughout history.
>>76330422
>implying the policing "company" won't go full stirner
wew
>>76329539
The NAP also known as feudalism in disguise.
>>76328978
You mean they'd be incentivized against having kids because the alternative is working for more money. And by the time nature punishes their wombs it'll be too late for them to fix their behavior.
>>76325775
Muslims happened . Libertarians don't have a solution for Islam .
>>76330439
>here let me post le memes
>>76330498
HAHAHAA it's even better in this format, good man.
>>76329548
You might not realise this, but people play out rape fantasies all the time and rape town will never exist because what you call rape is just a surprise sex party a bunch of weirdos organised.
That's literally it: surprise sex for those who wanna.
>>76330506
>You don't own something just by claiming you own it
of course I do
>>76330504
I don't know in what world someone "outgrows" the idea that violence against people who haven't hurt anyone is immoral.
>>76329539
this
>>76330550
>>76330422
>voluntary justice system
>justice
>voluntary
0/10
What happens when the mob not part of your "voluntary justice system" comes to loot your company?
Why would anyone invest in a lawless shithole?
>>76326056
It's surprising how easy it is now days to spot the new fags with old memes.
>>76330506
You own everything by claiming the ownership and successfully defending your claim before a higher power legally or before the highest power, life itself - by force.
>>76329390
this. the most obvious and basic flaw of anarcho-capitalism.
Can we stop with conflating an-caps to minarchists, all of these "criticisms" are aimed at an-caps which make up a minority of libertarians, please stop strawmanning.
>>76330645
I own everything you own then. And the rest of the universe.
Like, woah. I'm so rich now.
>>76330504
Oh my god your brain is rotton you are STUPID
>>76329568
>Replacing populace is an initiation of force.
okay, lets asume a very rich Saudi Prince buys a company in Belgium.
He emplyoes 100.000 shitskins from the middle east. A few years later, they demand more thatn minimum wage. He fires them all and importes the next 100.000 Shtiskins.
Is this libertarian?
>>76330504
Libertarianism is really just a special snowflake condition. It lacks any real thought, or ideas not surrounded by legalization of pot or self interest.
>>76330648
The world doesn't run on morality kiddo
>>76330606
I honestly can't believe no one else had uploaded it yet
>you'll never be able to buy a pound of pre-marinated baby sirloin at the downtown marketplace
what's even the point? i hate this commie country.
>>76325538
that lady in the beginning literally gave me cancer
>>76329572
There is nothing wrong with child workers. What you think is child workers is really child slaves. A kid helping his dad in his store is a child worker and is cute and probably not very economic.
Child workers is dindu aids land is forced labour.
Also great arguments, I'll try your approach:
Nobody likes you authoritarians, you are a joke, a waste!!
>sure got him now.
>>76325538
Lmao
>>76330780
Indeed you do
I'm starting to realize how crazy most mainstream libertarians are. I refer to myself as a libertarian, which is accurate, roughly speaking. But I am much more moderate than many of them and I don't share their ethical (NAP) and epistemological (Austrian School) shibboleths.
I will still vote for the party, but I do not really want to call myself a libertarian. The most accurate term for me would be classical liberal, but this is 'merica, so every time I say it people will get confused and mistake me for a leftist, as in American liberal. And then I will have to awkwardly explain the distinction between classical liberal and American liberal.
What the fuck do I call myself?
>>76330711
"Life" isn't a power. It's a state of affairs.
Pleading with other people to treat something as if you owned it ownership does not make.
>>76330780
come and take it
>>76328337
I can agree with this.
>True Kekbertarian A.M.A.
Could you recommend some books?
>>76330863
Join the club senpai
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequentialist_libertarianism
>>76325538
fucking lol at the last few minutes, that guy is a savage
>>76330780
You sure aren't defending it very well. You didn't stop me from spunking on my stomach an hour ago. Are 19 year old boy sluts your fetish?
>>76330804
No, but it does run on God. And God says be moral. You can ignore Him if you like - your funeral, not mine.
>>76324810
>make up stupid sci-fi shit
>add quantum to its name to sound scientific
>>76325538
>I'm not smart
the libertarian candidate for president
>>76329658
High trust would not exist
People would go into contracts and both parties would sign a policing and justice company into this contract to make sure the terms are met.
>>76330886
I don't have to - I already own it. All I had to do was say I did.
Mind = blown.
>>76330921
Nah I was just trolling with that first post. Wanted to "/pol/BTFO"
>>76330870
It is the highest law. If you kill someone he won't bother you anymore.
And yes, you get something by claiming it and defending your claim. Every ownership starts out through this method.
>>76327099
Or they abandon threads when their arguments are countered with things based in reality.
>>76330981
I allowed you to do that, obviously.
>>76330996
>God
>moral
stay cucked my friend
>>76330716
>no right of conquest
>no de jure leiges or homages
>return to feudalism
It's almost like the guy writing this has no idea what he's talking about.
>>76330977
and he lost, the Libertarians nominated a guy they booed the entire time
>>76327164
What is the NAP?
>>76330863
A not so special snowflake
>>76331120
>if you kill someone he won't bother you anymore
You can tell him that in hell as much as you'd like. Neither of you will be going anywhere.
>>76330996
Replacing the government with God is not libertarianism.
>>76331164
Your funeral~
>>76331059
ownership is derived from force and/or law
since you want to abolish law through the government anyone at any time can take whatever they want and there is nothing to stop them.
You'll have mercenaries taking whatever they want at gun point. Libertarians are simply to autistic to understand how life works without a government.
>>76331167
90% of the memes posted here are made by people who don't know what they're talking about
>>76331167
>>no right of conquest
he's saying that's all there is.
That's exactly what he's saying
it's almost like you have no idea what you're talking about
>>76331234
If you kill someone he wins the moral scoreboard. Thanks justin
>>76331245
God's laws are utterly compatible with libertarianism. Do not steal. Do not murder. Be good to others.
Not a single incompatibility.
>>76331189
The "non-aggression principle." It's what all libertarians fervently worship without any question.
>why is coercion always bad
>I don't know son, but it just is
Don't tread on me or my wife's son's utopia XDD
>>76330939
That is exactly what I am, but I wish I had a more concise and mainstream term for myself. I want something I could tell someone on the street, like "I am an X".
>>76330288
This
Kinda shocking t.bh
I wonder if hes an oldfag /new/ lurker or simply stole that from reddit
>>76331169
this could only happen in orlando
>>76330863
Call yourself a normal guy who wants small government and less state interference. Why go looking for a term? This is a totally normal political belief that exists everywhere.
It's just in /pol mainstream views are drowned out by hardcore fascists and hardcore libertarians.
>>76331254
Nope. It's an existential state of being, allotted to someone by God for fulfilling the criteria of ownership. Neither man's law nor man's force can do jack diddly shit to change it.
>>76331337
I'm a lolbertarian and I don't follow the NAP
Libertarians are PATHETIC
>>76331311
He doesn't win. You just lose. You sinning someone else's victory does not make. It just makes you lose.
>>76331260
when you remove the government you get feudalism or slavery
libertarians are just too autistic to understand that.
>>76331400
>you can't take what you want with an army God will stop you
>>76324789
>this is what lolbertarians actually believe
>>76331325
Except according to you, God effectively becomes your acting State authority. Only difference is he doesn't dish out punishments until you are dead.
That's not libertarian.
>>76331404
It's a fundamental tenant in American libertarianism. It's like saying you're a feminist, but you don't believe in a patriarchy.
>>76331441
kys fagit
>>76329569
Only edgy morons and grown mens with minds of little babies don't support libertarians.
Big businesses biggest fear is libertarianism thats why they love communism.
>>76327864
A transfer of guardianship overseen by the government to ensure the child's well being.
>>76325538
>someone actually said MUH ROADS
Can memes be stopped? Will libertarians ever actually be able to solve the muh roads problem?
>>76329981
Yes and economic opportunity would be real hard to find unless you have shit to offer yourself. How can you be so daft to realise this? Private property. Immigrants literally come up to a company and say: gibsmedats economy! Company says: what are your skills, credentials, etc.
Immigrant leaves.
Am I going to have to explain the word private property ten times over? Do you not realise what private property implies?
Maybe I'll give you this thought experience. Let's say you are rich and profitable and some immigrants shows up at your doorstep saying he wants to come live in your kitchen and work for you.
I'm sure you let him because there is no government to kick him out and therefore (given that you are a complete moron) you cannot say no to an immigrant because that would be a little too libertarian for you.
>>76331542
>>76331563
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequentialist_libertarianism
>>76331400
How come that namefags are the most obnoxious stupid fucks, who keep parroting the same circular non-arguments?
>>76331325
>Be good to others.
Selling heroin to 5 year olds is not being good to others.
>>76331361
Ja ne~
>>76331441
Yea, cause you know, assault being define as any unwanted touch isn't a complete fucking overstep.
Get off the fucking bandwagon, where ever you're at. Take a good look at the view and form your own opinions.
>>76325933
Reality. Globalism. Open borders. Age.
>>76331476
Doesn't matter what you do when someone owns something. They own it. You can take it - you won't own it. And nobody gives a fuck.
>>76328548
>there's nothing wrong with letting a child starve to death
ancaps, everyone
>>76331610
and yet big business calls for endless deregulation, privatization, globalism, mass immigration, outsourcing, cutting government spending and neoliberalism the exact same shit libertarians want
funny how that works.
>>76324671
drugs, does bad things to ya
>>76331624
the foster care system is flawed as fuck anyhow. Why does it matter?
>>76329769
T.bh most libertarians are AnCap or AnCap light, even if theyre not gonna state it
Heck even Rothbard was an AnCap
>>76331735
>if you take something by force and no one can stop you or get it back you don't own it
are you Justin Truduea?
>>76331526
God literally gives us freedom. It's not like government, which wants people to *think* it gives them freedom - God *existentially* gives you freedom *and everything else*.
He can't *not* be an authority over you - it's written into reality itself. There's nothing more libertarian than establishing every other farce of human "authority" as being existentially false.
>>76324671
>state of the alt-right
>>76331638
>muh obscure branch of libertarianism that no one prescribes too
Most of libertarians are in the "feels" crowd with muh NAP and muh free markets.
>>76331935
>the guy who created AnCapitalism was an AnCap
woah
>>76325538
>green party shit
gtfo
Even at their worst lolbertarians are better than greenfags.
They also left out the funniest most autistic part of the convention.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_toYr_Hcdo
anyone got that tweet where the fatty is dancing around on stage at the convention on TV and the dude says "well everythings going well at the libertarian convention"
>>76331669
You're the lowest tier of posters I prefer leftie/pol/ shills and baitfags to your kind.
>>76331654
Nothing is circular about what I've said, and you can't establish anything about it has been.
J a
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>>76326430
I don't understand how the hardcore classic libertarian jewish economists were so fucking redpilled when it came to everything.
>>76329137
>large portion
Source?
>>76329268
Children aren't adults, therefore they receive a higher level of protection and less responsibility. The rights of man are for men, not children.
>>76327820
>transactions using cash money
>Ancap society
pls
>>76331662
In what world is a Christian obligated to sell heroine to *anybody*?
>>76331610
Nope, only stupid edgy teens and manchildren support libertarianism and communism.
Just like spoiled middle class communist retards believe they are going to be card-carrying comfy party members rather than toiling in a field when the revolution comes, libertarian idiots believe they are going to be le succesful free businessmen rather than slaves to the mob.
Both libertarianism and communism are different forms of mob rule.
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>>76332055
It's weird how Austrians tend to be an-caps when Mises and Hayek said anarchism doesn't work.
>>76327009
There are numerous libertarians who don't believe in open borders, actually. Ron Paul and the paleolibertarians didn't. But now that movement has been co-opted by the left.
I think libertarianism on it's own is a very valid political party. The issue is that a lot of the people that are in the party are heavy ideologists. They want as few laws as possible. So for instance a lot of libertarians want no drunk driving laws, no speeding laws, no school zones. And having any law like this in their eyes means that they are a slave to the state. This is the type of people that are largely in the party; not people who are just fiscally conservative and socially liberal, but people who label themselves as slaves. And this is why I can't take a lot of libertarians seriously even though I consider myself to be libertarian-leaning.
>>76331970
lol ok then
>>76331949
So if someone takes walks into your house and takes your TV, it's theirs?
Is that what you're implying?
So why do you get so mad about it?
>>76332180
>Source?
The libertarian party in the United States.
>all this strawmanning
Ancap =/= libertarianism
>>76324671
Libertarian-ism isn't ancap, those who claim libertarian yet are anti-capitalist dont know wtf they are talking about, usually they are just socialist's, muh gubment wil fixer evraytang
>>76326467
Okay, seriously, give me one argument against forced vaccinations that isn't "muh freedom."
>>76330186
Please explain to me how immigrants will 'move' to high IQ societies when the land there is privately owned. By millions of people separetly.
And no we shouldn't have laws in place that deter them from making dumb decisions. That is both immoral evil and fucking useless utopian dreaming that has been tried, tested and failed over and over again.
Dumb people will do dumb shit no matter what and their dumb decisions' consequences are theirs to bear. Same thing for the children: surrounding communities will come to the rescue of kids in need and retarded parents will gladly take all the help they can get.
In reality you don't see a parent shooting up heroin with their kid as fun father daughter fun time.
These ridiculous (really fucking ridiculous) examples of 'HAH GOTCHA' mentality always imply pure evil and chalk it off as mere stupidity.
People are stupid indeed. They are not evil.
>>76324810
The absolute madman
>>76324789
fpbp
if only to highlight the retardation of the libertarians.
literally orthodox
grow the fuck up
even the founders which you faggots love so much recognized the need for community intervention over damaging individual behavior.
>>76325775
I'm right here, goober.
>>76324810
Gotcha nigga
>>76332115
I'd say the lowest kind of posters are those who can't articulate their own positions, have shit genes, and start meme'ing immediately when they run out of things to say. I think you meet that criteria pretty solidly.
>>76332288
Brilliant and witty response. You have enlightened me with your intelligence, oh great moral relativist.
>>76332102
>>76332102
>>76332102
>>76332102
I'M RAPING VERY FAST. COMON
>>76332148
>Final Argument:
>God
>any violation of the NAP spook
>God will get u
>look guiz
>I'm arguing on /pol/
>you sure can't beat me :P
>maybe because God is on my side (^ ^)
>>76332315
It effectively is if I can never get it back and the police never identify it or get it back to me.
>So why do you get so mad about it?
Because it used to be mine.
In an ancap society you effectively become a slave to whoever has the biggest army of mercs so I don't know why you get mad about the government.
>>76332433
>implying that post wasn't just a falseflag to paint libertarians as retarded
>>76324789
I'm going to shoot you in the face. I'm sure the family and community will have some choice words for me, but I think it will be worth it
>>76332478
Your final argument for anything is "I want to believe that" - can't say that's much better, gayboi~
>>76325538
That ending
>the guys dancing without clothes violated the NAP
My fucking sides, the memes write themselves.
>>76324671
Libertarians eventually become the worst
>>76328099
>anarcho communism
>in any way beyond tangentially related to ancap
>>76332512
>implying they need a fresh coat
>>76328889
>>76329008
thank you
>>76332506
The money you paid for your groceries also used to be yours. You don't seem to treat the guy who takes your T.V. and the cashier who takes your money the same.
*I wonder why*?
>>76332180
Doesn't matter. Regardless of your personal moral considerations, the NAP is clear. If you are a libertarian, regardless of the specific points of your moral system, you're saying that you would not object.
This is the difference between "your beliefs" and "your beliefs in practice."
>>76332194
In a lolbertarian world such transactions would be completely legal.
>>76332460
>Brilliant and witty response
Well nothing you said refuted my point.
All you said is "Hurr it is written in the fabric of the universe. It's just the way things is."'
If anything you are saying true libertarianism can't exist, because everyone answers to the ultimate authority, God. States and governments are all just false authorities.
>>76332460
Yes, after you said God gave ownership over property to man there isn't any place for a counter-argument.
You're Grand Master now, pigeon-kun, the FIDE can mail you your certificate any day now.
>>76324671
libertarianism the magazine
>>76332778
Yeah, they would. And?
>>76325829
AN CAP!
>>76332385
Oh so you are full anarcho-capitalist.
>Please explain to me how immigrants will 'move' to high IQ societies when the land there is privately owned. By millions of people separetly.
Oh so this is basically feudalism. The richest will own the most land and want the cheapest labour which will be low IQ people.
>And no we shouldn't have laws in place that deter them from making dumb decisions. That is both immoral evil and fucking useless utopian dreaming that has been tried, tested and failed over and over again.
What's immoral about forbidding the sale of a destructive narcotic that does absolutely no good to people? Your scope of morality simply just "well we shouldn't force people to do things who cares about the negative impact on society."
>Same thing for the children: surrounding communities will come to the rescue of kids in need and retarded parents will gladly take all the help they can get.
Conveniently Utopian view there. Bill Gates and the like have poured literally billions into Africa and life there still sucks. But it'll magically work this time.
>In reality you don't see a parent shooting up heroin with their kid as fun father daughter fun time.
There are dumb poor mothers that drink alcohol while pregnant. Allowing the trade of heroin just introduces more vices into society for dumb people to fall.
>>76332812
>Except according to you, God effectively becomes your acting State authority. Only difference is he doesn't dish out punishments until you are dead.
>That's not libertarian.
To which I responded
>God literally gives us freedom. It's not like government, which wants people to *think* it gives them freedom - God *existentially* gives you freedom *and everything else*.
>He can't *not* be an authority over you - it's written into reality itself. There's nothing more libertarian than establishing every other farce of human "authority" as being existentially false.
That's a *DIRECT* response. You having trouble reading there?
>>76329268
It's my store. I don't feel like selling this incredibly strong, addictive opiate to a five year old.
If I do, I'm a bastard. It's not against the law, but yeah, I'm a bastard. Trying to get kids addicted to drugs for my own profit. Bastard.
Maybe when you find out where he got it, you'll know I'm a bastard, and I doubt you're going to be willing to shop here anymore. You may even tell other people, and they won't shop here anymore. My evil plot for making money has a high change of backfiring.
A 14 year old approaching a heroin dealer in a park is not going to get carded. The State isn't protecting your children from anything, you are.
Maybe reputable shops where people want to raise their families don't indiscriminately sell heroin. Maybe pharmacies where drugs of all uses and varieties can be legally obtained enter into contracts that say they will not allow people below a certain age to make purchases of narcotics independently without an adult or the permission of a doctor, because that makes them more attractive to most people.
Maybe if you're a pharmacy and you pay for insurance which protects you in the event one of your products leads to someone's damage. I mean hey, there could be a manufacturing error or your dumbass highschool employee could screw up (errors/omissions) and label the Oxycontin 80mg as Ibuprofen 200s. As a thoughtful businessman, you know that being liable for one fuckup of that magntitude could completely destroy your business and then your reputation. So, you have insurance. As it turns out, the insurance company has no interest in covering you if it turns out you distribute heroin, or ESPECIALLY if you sell ANY medication to children.
You guys are weak.
Sure. Your benevolent overlords are here to protect you from bad problems you could never solve yourself. You need us. ROADS HEROIN DE-FACTO FEUDALISM BE AFRAID
>>76332288
>responding to a religious poster with a fedora
Thanks for visiting /pol/, stay a while and learn not to meme improperly, newfag.
>>76332979
sorry but it's non sequitur
>>76332999
You're making the false assumption that all people will act rational.
>>76331362
same senpai
>>76332846
You can say I'm being assumptive, to which my answer is "yes I am".
You can not like how I'm going to treat the world, and I can not like how you're going to. There's no room for discourse when it comes to axiomatic commitments.
>>76330863
a dumbass
>>76332621
No, that's actually what happened, delusionfag.
People claimed something. Others contested it, then they fought and the winners formulated a solid ownership.
If you inherit something you go to court/to the government mandated authority and the will of the deceased is presented and the property is transferred. If you renounce your claim, you don't get the inheritance.
>>76333077
The conclusion
>There's nothing more libertarian than establishing every other farce of human "authority" as being existentially false
Follows from there being no state of affairs more free. And there is no state of affairs more free. It's not a non sequitur at all. Learn your propositional logic dude.
>>76333027
Religion has become a fedora tier position. Sorry m8
>>76332663
yeah that part is great
my favorite part is after that fat guy dances, and the guy is so angry and says "I've read 100 books on this ideology!!".
>>76330533
>Wew lad this useless pack of retards would sure be a big popular company that people would love to employ and willingly allow taking advantage. Freedom has been stumped!!!!
>>76330551
So what? These genes die out. Also women who don't want children on what fucking planet do you live? Try and use reason next time.
>>76330588
Private property is the solution for Islam. Europe is full of muslims shits because of the existence of public property.
>>76330703
You being blind is not an argument.
The voluntary part is where both parties sign a business agreement/living agreement/property sales agreement/ any fucking agreement including a set of laws/lawbooks/policing company
That looting would be a violation of the NAP and the police company would have every right to fuck the mob's shit up.
>Why would anyone invest in a lawless shithole
That's why people with half a brain would always include policing companies and write up (include existing) lawbooks
>>76333135
I agree. Your axioms are groundless assumptions and they are interfering with reality, thus you're delusional and only a good psychiatrist can help you at this point.
>>76333302
This.
Western Atheism is the same like Christianity though.
>>76332999
Everything you have just said is either obscene or condescension of the highest order.
This is why you will never receive support from anyone.
>>76328889
the argument against you is everything you say and do, its nonsense and you would all be the first to die in your unregulated nigger society because you're autistic simpletons with no real sense. call it a strawman all you want, you will never be relevant
>>76328193
id rather the child was with someone making money, working a sustainable high paying job like a dealer of addictive substances than some drug addict
>>76333368
>Wew lad this useless pack of retards would sure be a big popular company that people would love to employ and willingly allow taking advantage. Freedom has been stumped!!!!
>organized crime and gangs don't have intelligent leaders
wew, in the absence of the state, there is a ton of profit to be had in these kinds of groups.
>>76333228
You're calling non-ownership ownership. You can call something whatever you want - I don't have to agree to your terms, nor you to mine. Having some random idiots say "yeah I think you own that" doesn't mean you own something.
If I stole your car from your driveway and convinced a judge/jury your car was mine, it wouldn't make it mine.
>>76333382
Yours are too. That's what an axiom *is*. And everyone has axioms.
>>76333294
If 'God' is what gives you your freedom then how is that any different than a government?
Except for the fact that you believe one is unjust.
>>76330752
No dipshit, the faulty logic is equalling government to law.
>>76330795
And where do you think he will put all those shitskins? I'm sure if you lived within a couple miles of this company you'd gladly expect a dozen tents setting up camp in your garden.
Again, blind statist:
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>>76333523
Because libertarianism is about maximizing freedom. The state of affairs in which liberty is maximized is the one that is the most libertarian. God necessary exists as authority - thus God, assuming God, is a non-conditional for freedom maximization since He can't be affected. Worldly "authority" can be.
>>76333627
This is the actual problem with the Libertarians, just because you have the freedom to do something doesn't mean you should
>>76327586
*edgelord faggot
>>76333771
It seems to me the way to maximise freedom would be to reject God.
Then you could do whatever you want, and he can't touch you until you're already dead.
>>76333720
>And where do you think he will put all those shitskins?
He'll buy all the land (like slaveowners did in the past) to house them if he's nice or possible get hired thugs to push people out because there's not state monopoly on violence.
>but muh private company will protect me
Yeah good luck with that.
>>76334045
God is there whether you want Him to be or not.
You can't *actually* reject Him in that sense of rejection - you're held to His Judgment and authority necessarily.
You don't maximize your freedom by rejecting reality.
>>76334203
> you're held to His Judgment and authority necessarily.
Yeah but not till you're dead. And by then it wont matter anyway.
>>76331753
The real answer is that this would never happen and the only arguments statists ever come up is shit that never fucking happens.
>>76332444
well you sure are outnumbered
the right-populists and far-leftists here hate you with a passion
ITT: trumpfags using memes to disprove libertarianism the same way the left uses the bigot meme to disprove Trump
>>76334393
I think all of leftypol is here as well to join in on the fun
>>76332195
>I am retarded, don't understand the NAP and use an IOA to deny the NAP: the post.
Also democracy literally is mob rule by proxy.
>>76334393
There are plenty of arguments in this thread. Better start identifying them.
>>76334311
I don't know in what world eternity matters less than a finite period.
You not obeying God doesn't make you more free, it just makes you not obey God. And there's nothing God commands you that ought to be objectionable. Most of it is no-brainers just in terms of normative moral goodness.
>>76334390
Doesn't make them any more intelligent for doing so.
