CAN WE DO IT LADS?
>>76264214
Its a shame that this thing cannot be helped by /pol/, like /pol/ helped trump. That would be neat, but perhaps it means that we dont have such a great amount of power as we imagined.
I expect the news and polls will broadcast as close to 50/50 as possible and cheat you out. RIP
>>76264287
>like /pol/ helped trump
>he actually believes this
>>76264287
That's not the spirit that beat the Japanese
>>76264214
I hope so
the EU needs to die
>>76264440
>msm spends close to 1 billion dollars on tv attack ads and other crap to stump him
>they cannot stump him
So where did he get his support? Where did he go? Surely it cannot be to the places that anons frequent...where they made a propaganda campaign with nothing more than a bunch of autistic, basement dwelling neets
>>76264440
you missed quads, wow.
>>76264440
Run away
>>76264214
I fucking hope so.
>>76264526
>So where did he get his support?
From the rednecks voting for him?
YES WE CAN
>>76264635
>rednecks
>twitter...or anything internet related for that matter
>>76264635
>rednecks
fucking Persians
Makes sense you cunts would be anti Trump since he is anti neocon
I always knew you really did want war in the end.
when will I know the results of Brexit?
>>76264783
June 23rd
but the EU has to rig the election like in Austria so probably the 24th
>>76264713
In the end all that matters is votes, and THE WALL™ is pretty enticing for Americans.
>>76264768
>anti neocon
Did you see his AIPAC speech?
>>76264214
No there will be fraud or vote leave wins but the eu makes us vote again or uses other means to prevent leaving
>>76264214
Let the memes fly.
Seed the social networks.
Place OC which reinforces existing groupthink for the group you are seeding.
LGBT group? Brexit is best for LGBT because "reasons".
Like gibs me dat? Brexit gives Labour ability to blow more money on gibs.
Like steel workers making worthless product? Brexit allows more state aid than EU.
No you can't! I'm voting stay. Memes aside, why would you want to leave? Think about trade and holidays. It'd be a disaster. I'm fairly content as is. There's no use in causing this unnecessary disruption.
>>76264635
Don't you have to pray to Mecca or something
>>76264922
>but the eu makes us vote again or uses other means to prevent leaving
They can't do that mate.
But I reckon there will be some fraudulent activity - especially with postal votes.
>>76264214
I'm scared that the over 1 million young voters will ruin it.
>>76264984
>Think about trade and holidays.
Britain trades globally anyway.
Brits often have holidays outside of the EU . . .it makes no difference.
>>76264783
Looks like we'll know the result with a high degree of confidence by about 04:30 on June 24th
>>76264986
>>76264854
You don't know what a neocon is
Let's just say there won't be any invasion plans of Iran if Trump is president.
>>76265120
Damn you really are a cunt
this is what the head neocon thinks of Trump. They hate him. Everyone who knows anything about foreign policy agrees he's the "peace" candidate and Shillary is the "war" candidate.
http://www.unz.com/jpetras/clinton-and-trump-nuclearized-or-lobotomized/
>>76265203
relevant paragraph
>The third theme that draws millions is Trump’s notion that the US should reject the policy of serial ‘regime change’. We should not initiate and engage in perpetual overseas wars against Muslim countries as a way to avoid domestic attacks by individual terrorists. During an early foreign policy debate, Trump shocked the political establishment when he accused the Bush Administration of deliberately lying the country into the disastrous invasion of Iraq. This ‘truth-telling’ elicited wild applause from the mass Republican electorate.
>>76265134
>>76265203
Fuck off with your Trump shit . .. . go and spam a Trump thread.
>>76265264
and relevant video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8cxTaaNZrw
>>76264997
> They can't do that mate.
Never stopped them before.
I really don't think they're stupid enough to try actual fraud in something like this. But I can see the EU offering a new "deal" and Cameron using it as grounds to make us vote again.
>>76265272
Ok
but just a reminder on how bad Obama is cucking you
>>76264214
We absolutely can. I am still voting to leave as are 14 of my and my wife's family members.
These polls are just noise, the error is at least 5%.
>>76265319
What book is that?
>>76265380
Polling is bullshit and always has been. Look at the last general election and then look at what the polls were predicting. I don't see any Labour/SNP domination.
Also why would you care what other people are voting for?
>>76265319
I knew you were going to post this.
This is different mate, this is Something the EU has no control over, seriously, it's a British Parliament thing.
>But I can see the EU offering a new "deal" and Cameron using it as grounds to make us vote again.
I don't think the British public would have that mate.
>>76265470
If Britain leaves, Cameron will be gone first.
>>76264854
When the opposition is Clinton, who followed the neoconservative "100 year" framework to the tee in her time as Sec of State, than Trump is the less neoconservative choice.
>>76265502
He'll be gone no matter what, to be honest.
His backbenchers are openly discussing a vote of no confidence, the public already viewed him as out of touch, and he's acted atrociously throughout this whole campaign.
>>76265465
They did play an interesting role in the Scottish referendum however, when leave was ahead a few percentage points project fear kicked in. It resulted in the government promising Scotland even more devolution.
47-53 split;
fixed to 51-49 after postal
>>76265502
I'm not so sure mate, I don't know what his plans are . . .but we know Boris is going to have a stab at being PM.
>>76265470
The referendum doesn't have any actual legal authority. They've ignored them before in countries where they do have authority. All Cameron needs to do is politically worm his way through the situation, legally he's fine. If we vote out and he comes back with a new shiny EU deal, he can just say the deal is significant enough to justify a new referendum. This is exactly what they did with the EU Constitution which became the Lisbon Treaty.
Whether it'd work on the public is another matter, but don't doubt they'd try it. I'd like to think something like that would just piss people off and he'd get a louder "no".
Dare I say it, one major happening between now and voting day might just swing it our way
>>76265571
He knows that fear works and doesn't care about his image because he has already said that he is leaving in a few years. I think just like in the general election he is commanding a large silent block of voters.
The only way it happens is if the ragheads pull a snackbar before the vote, then it happens.
Failing that, all the hear-onds worried about their "gap year" will keep it from going through.
Also, here is BBC (the station) documentary on the Ethnic Cleansing of Whites that Jewtube keeps removing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na_wxwhgDMA
>>76265571
It's amazing how many people have dropped out of their political positions over the past couple of years. British politics has become very entertaining.
>>76265735
>blocked in my country
fuck my shit up
>channel 5 blocks it
>BBC
hey now
>>76264214
You're too big pussies to leave the EU. It will be a close poll, but you will remain. You are way too cuck'd, I mean look at your capital's mayor.
>>76265711
I disagree, leaving because of a terrorist attack would make us look bad, who leaves their friends when they are in trouble?
While other happenings have been delayed until after the 23rd.
We can if it's not rigged and given the global forces in favour of remaining I can't imagine it not being so.
>>76265735
I watched that expecting the second coming of hitler to be interviewed from the massive buttpain online. How disappointing it was to see nothing offensive at all (aside from the white genocide that we all knew about).
If that is classed as racist now in Britain I am even happier I moved.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36457120
REEEEEEEEEE CIVIL WAR NOW!
Brexiteers are more likely to go out and vote.
everyone arm yourself with these arguments and this degree of eloquence when debating the eurocuckbots:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC9nDCmqjn8
a truly rousing speech. made me feel proud of the commonwealth
>the state of this BBC debate
>>76265921
why are they calling it a market again?
Why do they always call it a market when it's clearly your new "sovereign" overlord.
>>76264511
>the EU needs to die
Nope. Union must remain, the rules and rulers shall change. Without union Europe can not compete.
>>76265849
That's right, if there's been a load of robberies on your street the best thing to do is leave your doors all unlocked so your neighbours don't think you're a meanie.
>>76265921
Brexitards BTFO
>>76265921
As a Remain voter that seems really fucked up, the ballot options should have had an extra question:
If we leave:
-Stay in the EEA
-Leave the EEA
>>76266065
Europe isn't competing now. The EU economy is stagnant.
By the way your flag always reminds me of a refresher ice lolly.
>>76264214
What are the real pros and cons of leaving though?
not the retarded conspiracy stuff but the real issues.
>>76266088
>As a Remain voter
Please shoot yourself Ahmed
>>76265849
I don't think the British public would look at it that way at all. You don't leave yourself open to attack just because your neighbours had it happen to them. It'd give deafening weight to the security argument and I think would be enough.
>>76266088
>As a remain voter
Hang yourself you fucking traitor.
>>76266134
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC9nDCmqjn8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gHLfMXb0Yg
Why are gingers such cucks lads? How do we solve the ginger problem?
>>76265827
>>blocked in my country
download "proxyflow" for google chrome and turn it on.
>>76266188
Lack of potatoes.
>>76265921
Let them. Those MP's are voting away their careers by defying the electorate.
>>76266134
>not the retarded conspiracy stuff
>things that are documented on the eu parliament's own website is conspiracy stuff
>>76265653
>This is exactly what they did with the EU Constitution which became the Lisbon Treaty.
Not in Britain they didn't.
>The referendum doesn't have any actual legal authority.
There is No actual 'legal authority' in ANY referendum . . .but it would have to be honoured
The backlash here would be off the scale . .no Government could withstand that.
>>76264526
Focus testing, catch phrases, simple messages, frequent tweets and other cost-effective advertising, a weakened Republican establishment, establishment infighting, crowd working skills, frequent rallies, and constant attention in the media keeping his name relevant 24/7.
/pol/ played a roll, but honestly, the impact of a Tibetan basket weaving website is always going to be minimal.
>>76266140
Also voted for Sadiq if that makes you feel a bit worse.
>>76266134
1. EU makes laws which UK must follow. - Image in an "African Union" decided that you living in Cape Town or wherever were allowed a maximum of two televisions. That type of shit.
2. No control over immigration. Anyone can come and live here, even illegal immigrants that illegally enter Greece.
3. Waste of money, billions.
4. National pride is humiliated.
Leaving the EU is a no brainer.
>>76266088
>As a Remain voter
>>76266128
>The EU economy is stagnant.
Same shit with US economy.
These brainless fucktards controlling stuff screwed everything up really hard...
>>76264287
I'm sure we can.
Britfags, gear up, you have British interwebz to conquer
>>76266065
> Compete
Compete against whom? All that matters is prosperity. Europe has some of the most prosperous countries in the world. We don't need to fuck it up by mimicking the Soviet Union.
>>76266088
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp6FZ-V8w_8
>>76265921
>if we left, the Leave campaign would have no democratic mandate for a specific economic/trade model to follow
>therefore, it's perfectly okay for MPs to completely disregard the biggest democratic decision ever taken and just keep us tied to the EU anyway
FUCK THESE GUYS
If that shit happened, I'd hope that the public everywhere would call for mass by-elections. Eurosceptics, potentially around 50% of the electorate, could sweep huge swathes of the seats into UKIP or independent hands.
Reminder for newfags from UK/Europe-- to get around the Ejew blocking videos on Jewtube, just add the "proxyflow" extension to chrome.
Takes less than 2 minutes, works. Also works for murricans who want to watch BBC (the channel) programs.
>>76266309
Also, UK will not be 'joining' Switzerland. Instead we can lower taxes and remove regulations to COMPETE with Switzerland so lots of banks move from Zurich to London if we Brexit. Also, if UK leaves the Danes will also. Maybe the Dutch too.
>>76266288
I believe that even though the EU has a lot of problems that a retreat into the nation state is a disaster for Europeans, we need big institutions like the EU to deal with refugees crises, global warming and to regulated large transnational corporations.
>>76266309
Compete against US, China, Russia, India.
Only united Europe can stand against these giants. Think about US - it's like saying that every single state should stand on their own now which is pretty much impossible in current economic climate.
>>76264635
i'm personally rooting for hillary clinton now just so that the U.S can invade your country, rape your women, and kill you as you shitpost on /pol/ about trumps "redneck" support
>>76264214
So what would likely happpen in case of brexit outside the normie "hurr durr muh economy"
the economy is sheijt already so clearly, what they are talking about when they say "its gonna hurt britain" is obvisouly worse than an economic meltdown
Would the brexit mark the likely beginning of WW3?
>>76266412
>refugees crises
The EU is forcing rapefugee quotas. It's simple. You deport the illegals. Every. Single. One.
>>76266412
>regulated large transnational corporations.
We already do that on our own back.
And the EU should be dealing with the migrants . . .. it's them allowing them free access . . . .they have to go through Europe to get here.
If you vote to remain and Britain stays, it will be the last time your vote means anything. If you're fine with being controlled by unelected and unremovable officials in foreign lands then perhaps you have missed the point of democracy.
You can kiss goodbye to the pound eventually and your way of life as it will be replaced by "European" culture.
If you are thinking "well we would never do that!" May I remind you that you are handing over control of your country to foreign powers who don't care what you want.
>>76266412
I understand where you're coming from, but I disagree with you on the final point.
Large transnational corporations are in bed with the EU. Having a single, overarching legislative body means that essentially, these corporations only need to lobby at one level to tighten their grip over 28 countries. If you want to make things harder for them, you need to ensure that they have to spend the time and money trying to influence each country individually instead.
>www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/06/eu-referendum-brexit-row-david-cameron-tim-farron-boris-johnson/
>David Cameron intensifies Tory civil war by uniting with left wing leaders
Thank god I didn't vote for this C U C K last year lads
Remaintards think the EU will last a hundred years. It's dying. The EU will be history in ten years.
http://crossfade.io/#!/rphrsrylug
kek wills it
>>76266619
>The EU will be history in ten years
Let's hope so.
>>76266418
The US states were not, for the most part, founded as individual countries with thousands of years of history, culture and individual languages.
Europe will remain prosperous without merging into an undemocratic superstate. The UK will prove that to the rest of you cucks, as Switzerland and Norway currently do.
>>76266619
T-t-the 100 year EU!
They're just as delusional as any other dictatorship in history.
>>76264214
DO IT FAGGOT
>>76266619
the EU will be a 1000 years reich. I can feel it
>>76266520
I'm saying it is easier to tax and regulate a company with a big transnational institution than with a nation state. If the UK decides to raise corporation tax or increase the minimum wage it is easier for the company to just relocate offices to a nearby country, the EU makes this somewhat harder.
>>76266509
Deport them where? That would be deeply inhumane, if EU countries work together they can spread the pressure from the migrants around, making it easier for everyone.
>>76266412
I think it would be far more efficient and democratic if the European member states directly co-operate, but without the erosion of sovereignty and national identity caused by the EU and its army of bureaucrats. The leaders of the EU are faggots and we need the right to choose who controls our country. That sentiment is not just exclusive to the UK anymore.
>>76264214
We haven't summoned Kek hard enough. It may be lost.
>>76266412
IN what fucking universe has the EU dealt with the refugee crisis?
>>76264440
Actually... Imagine the prestige if we get a president elected.
>>76266782
>I'm saying it is easier to tax and regulate a company with a big transnational institution than with a nation state
The EU helps those multinationals get around taxation by allowing them to only pay tax in one EU country. Strangely they all choose the ones with the lowest tax rates.
Also, Remaintards thinks having big lands and populations is important. Yet the tiny city of Singapore has an economy that is more than ten times than Indonesia. Being small and different is better.
>>76266582
It works the other way around too, politicians only have to apply pressure to one body to impose laws they want on corporations. The issue at the moment is that the European left is in crisis, but that may change.
With individual countries you get the so called 'race to the bottom' which is great for corporations and bad for workers.
>>76266188
>Liberals at war with blue collar workers
I can feel it lads. This is it.
>>76265470
>I don't think the British public would have that mate.
Really? What are we going to do?
March in London? That helped with Iraq, student loans et al.
>>76266541
This.
Anyone watching this Victoria Derbyshire bollocks?
>>76266782
>I'm saying it is easier to tax and regulate a company with a big transnational institution than with a nation state
Actually it's not.
Britain chased Starbucks for example over Tax Avoidance . . .. the EU didn't want to know.
This has happened with lots of other global companies too . .. .none of them have pulled out of Britain . . .that's just scare stories.
>>76266782
>I'm saying it is easier to tax and regulate a company with a big transnational institution than with a nation state.
You mean like all those big multinational corporations that headquarter themselves in the Irish Republic or Luxembourg, make billions of £s in Britain but pay hardly any tax because of their corporate structure basing them in low-tax EU states?
Yeah, makes it so much easier.
>>76266782
>Deport them where?
Back to wherever the fuck they came from?
Or we could make Northern Ireland our Nauru.
>>76265203
Give me the choice between peace and war with trump rather than the choice of fight and surrender.
>>76266412
Nobody is talking about "retreating." The EU isn't about cooperation, it's about becoming a superstate. Do you see any campaigns to get us out of NATO? That's because NATO is simply about cooperation. It doesn't presume to legislate for us.
> institutions like the EU to deal with refugees crises
The EU caused the crisis. Merkel decided to let in millions of refugees without asking any of the people's of Europe whether or not they consented to it. Now the EU is forcing member states to take "quotas" whether they like it or not. Now economic migrants are drowning in the Mediterranean by their hundreds on a weekly basis to get into Europe and enjoy the gibsmedat.
By contrast, the Australians put a stop to the exact same problem by putting their foot down and saying any immigrant caught trying to get to Australia by illegal boats or otherwise will be automatically deported no matter what. And the boats stopped coming. The EU has blood on its hands because it doesn't have the moral fortitude to put its foot down.
> regulated large transnational corporations.
Please. The EU works in the interests of corporations, not you and me. Look at TTIP for gods sake.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-ttip-and-six-reasons-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html
Does that sound appealing to you? You can't even vote the fucks who are about to sign this out. You're just stuck with whatever they give you.
>>76266900
>That helped with Iraq, student loans et al.
They are minor issues mate.
Are you old enough to remember the Poll Tax marches?
>>76266268
You're a traitor
>>76266679
We have very different concepts of union.
In no way I am saying that European countries should merge into single super state.
Europe should have single monetary system (prefer decentralized).
Europe should have taxeless internal trading.
Europe should have common foreign trade policies.
...and that's pretty much it.
>>76266980
I'm starting to think that people that vote to Remain just want Britain to die faster. Like the Austrian Greenie that said Austria is shit and yet got elected - just.
>>76266888
>It works the other way around too, politicians only have to apply pressure to one body to impose laws they want on corporations.
Of course, but we then need to rely on politicians in every other member state backing our cause. Not to mention hoping that the EU Commission bothers to give the matter any thought at all.
>>76267028
Yes, but this is different, this issue is too close to call. The Poll Tax was universally hated.
>>76265284
Unfortunately this is wrong. My dad is in an SF community and told me we found the same chemical weapons there that assad used against his own people.
>>76267077
>In no way I am saying that European countries should merge into single super state
What you're saying is irrelevant because line one of the EU charter is the call for ever closer union.
>>76265630
Stay- leave or leave stay?
>>76265878
>massive buttpain online
curious, where did you see "buttpain" over this show? On Goybook?
It was...there was only one White family on the program, the other guy was a halfing and one was a Bangledeshi (complaining Brits were leaving while setting up a mudslime prayer group for his new buddies).
Also, do we have any Brits here who leave near Essex, where they're all moving? Is it really a White area?
>>76267104
>Yes, but this is different, this issue is too close to call.
This is not about a few students complaining about loans . . .this would be a Government ignoring a democratic vote . . .that's a big deal in anybodies book.
>>76267110
>My dad is in an SF community
are you for real? please tell me you're a troll?
how many "asians" are allowed to vote on this
MOMENTUM IS WITH US NOW
DEAR LEADER GOVE AND GREAT LEADER JOHNSON WILL LEAD US TO VICTORY
>>76267205
>curious, where did you see "buttpain" over this show? On Goybook?
On the linked plebbit comments and Twitter screenshots that get posted on here.
>>76265449
'Why Vote Leave' by Daniel Hannan
>>76267133
Nobody is preventing to change those rules, right?
After all this is peoples union, not those brainless fags making stupid decisions...
>>76266782
Fuck the migrants.
These stupid faggots are leaving its country in its greatest time of need.
The migrants are falling victim to their own stupid fucking religion.
And obviously they can't fucking respect the countries they're going into. I don't care if 1/1000 is a terrorist, which actually might be a generous assumption. 100% of the mosques within a certain mile radius of the bataclan were found to have jihadist recruitment found.
Fuck all the refugees, fuck all the Muslims I don't not care if they all drowned.
>>76267212
Perhaps but when 48% get what they want anyway, they're not going to start marching. I'd be willing to bet that a large chunk of people who vote leave would roll their eyes and say - I knew it - and get on with their life.
You guys have got to be doing everything you can to get old people to vote. I just read that 1.6 million new voters have registered recently, and most of them are young.
If Leave loses, it's going to be because they haven't organized the way Remain has.
>>76267264
Well London is allowed to vote so that at least a few million to remain.
>>76267212
>this would be a Government ignoring a democratic vote
The only people who stand to lose out are the White middle and lower classes, and do you really expect them to riot?
Esp in an age where everyone has a camera on their phone, and they will then not only be arrested, but arrested for "racism?
The Jews have managed to put "racist" in same league as "pedo" now.
>>76267339
Old people always vote. It's getting the youth on our side that's the problem.
>>76267339
>You guys have got to be doing everything you can to get old people to vote.
Older people are more likely to vote anyway mate.
>>76267077
Do you not realise merging into a superstate is the whole point of the EU? They openly admit this. It's in the treaties.
>>76267264
All the muh commonwealth (colony shitskins) which would be 3 million.
>>76267279
Didn't see any. Saw a few on a DM article with the usual suspects threatening not to pay their TV license fee, but that was it.
If the Brits don't get out of the EU now, they are finished and most likely all of Europe is finished.
Even if you think the UK should Remain you should vote leave. Why? Simple: If we vote to Leave and yet we still can't leave the EU then everyone else in the EU will know that the EU its extremely corrupt and everyone will want to Leave - hence the end of the EU. Either way, it's the end of the EU so why bother voting to stay in something that is going to end. Therefore, even if the UK should Remain you should vote Leave.
>>76267021
We have a duty by international law to help refugees escape from war, quotas are the most humane way of dealing with it. Turkey has already taken a very large share of the refugees, the EU has to help. Anyway Germany needs the young workers and Syrians are often quite well educated and respectful. Many will return home once the fighting stops too.
Many within EU politics are fighting TTIP hard, movements like DIEM25 are growing and promise to democratise the EU. The EU has many problems now but it also has a lot of potential, we can't give up on it because it's not working right now. If we leave then the hope of a large european block of countries projecting European values around the work is lost.
However bad you say the EU is it is still the best place in the world to live, I want it to come out of this dark period renewed not deeply crippled by losing the UK.
>>76267394
The Government would not ignore the vote anyway mate . . . .despite kids saying otherwise, it just won't happen.
>>76267339
It's more likely that celebrity endorsement sways it with young voters. If Obama and Paloma Faith think we should stay, that must be for the best.
>>76267290
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/05/european-churches-growing-flock-muslim-refugees-converting-christianity
>>76267452
if only native brits were allowed to vote would it even be close?
>>76266280
Just the immigration issue by itself is enough to leave.
Anyone watching victoria darbyshire? Shits hilarious.
>>76266188
based negro
>>76267438
B-but nobody forces to do that; ES countries can disagree,
>>76267474
Turkey are letting a fuckton through and they are filtering through to the rest of Europe. Erdogan will close his borders - if Turkey can join the EU.
>>76267277
KEK WILLS IT
>>76266325
Who is this verbal magician?
>>76267474
> We have a duty by international law to help refugees escape from war
The vast majority of these people are not refugees. Where are the women? And why isn't the Arab world taking them?
> Many within EU politics are fighting TTIP hard
Well if you're truly comfortable leaving your fate in the hands of unelected bureaucrats who have been bought and paid for by multi-billion pound corporations - that's your own stupidity I suppose. Don't moan about it when all our public services are sold to American companies and you're eating rat feces in your oatmeal.
> However bad you say the EU is it is still the best place in the world to live
Not for long.
>>76266188
Followup
What is the accent of that rag wearing cunt
>>76267637
>ES countries can disagree
Lel. They can "disagree" all they like but the EU makes them pass laws anyway. Look at this hate speech legislation they just introduced. All member states WILL have to adhere to it.
Every time a smaller nation votes against the EU the Commission just ignores it and makes them vote again.
>>76267666
Turkey is about to get visa free access to the EU as well. Hope you guys enjoy that.
>>76267531
Also, the Common Agriculture Policy means that it's impossible to import foods outside of the EU such as biltong into the EU. When we leave, expect South African biltong exports to the UK to soar by a couple thousand percentages.
>>76267723
They cannot force countries to change constitution, therefore unconstitutional changes are impossible.
>>76267694
Most of these bureaucrats are elected in their home nation, they just aren't directly elected to their EU position, so they do represent people.
>>76267720
Sounds like a slight American accent mate.
>>76267817
God why are we letting non citizens even take part
The Beebs can fuck right off
>>76267804
Someone post a smug anime reaction image to this for me.
EU law supersedes national constitutions, cuck.
>>76267856
She looks like a student of some sort.
>>76267817
Southern England + Jamaican
Brexit is kek approved.
>>76267805
False. You have to lose an election (be rejected) before you can enter the European Commission. It's not undemocratic, its anti-democratic.
>>76267805
Mate... Often these people are appointed to legislate over us after being expressly rejected by their home electorates. They are not democratically accountable to ANYONE. Watch this, Daniel Hannan is one of our MEPs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp6FZ-V8w_8
>its a woman who says she doesn't know how to vote episode
Why are they so stupid? They want people to tell them how to vote, they are literally children.
>We have no information on how to vote
? ? ?
>>76267955
wew
>>76267887
>EU law supersedes national constitutions
Nope. It doesn't.
>>76267678
Daniel Hannan, Tory MEP.
>>76267923
>Southern England + Jamaican
kek NO!
>>76268015
You guys have some stellar speakers.
>>76268004
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_(European_Union_law)
You should probably learn a bit about this institution you've been cucked into trusting. Why do you think we want to leave?
Why is Mrs Balls even relevent?
Remainers are all cucks, all the Brexiteers on this Vic episode are all non white too
>>76268004
You're wrong, refresher lolly. EU law is dominant over all national law. That's the entire point.
>>76267723
You know that if the EU law is in conflict with a state law, it gets dropped by that country? Do your reasearch, fucktard.
>>76267794
Don't forget the common fisheries policy which has absolutely decimated our fishing industry.
>Mfw foreigners vote leave
>Tfw they actually save us
I'm conflicted lads. What the fuck?
>>76268169
That's literally the opposite of what happens you fucking moron.
>>76268109
>Please tell me things
>I don't want to look them up on my own
FUCKING THIS FUCKING COUNTRY
WE NEED A CLEANSING WAR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJ05NfM-4Y
>>76267474
>We have a duty by international law to help refugees escape from war
Funny, I think Saudi Arabia has the same obligation and already has room for 2 milion set up for their Haj.
How about the UK does its "duty" right after the Saudis do theirs?
>>76268137
>>76268109
> it means that any norms of European law always take precedence over any norms of national law, including the constitutions of member states. Although national courts generally accept the principle in practice, most of them disagree with this extreme interpretation and reserve the right, in principle, to review the constitutionality of European law under national constitutional law.
Take a look at this particular part:
>Although national courts generally accept the principle in practice, most of them disagree with this extreme interpretation
I know that "on paper" it overrides constitution, but in reality - FUCK OFF - our soil our rules.
>>76264214
No chance. Remember the Austrian elections? We thought we got this, and then we got jewed. You can be sure the brexit polls are getting rigged somehow.
>>76268249
Give an example along with which state law it violates if you're so confident. There's gotta be a fuckton.
>Be current year
>Most people will vote Brexit
>Polls falsely show that it is close even though UKIP won the Euro elections last time and polls did not predict that
>Brexit will win
>Postal votes will be counted
>Votes will be rigged
>Brexit votes will the thrown away and irregularly turnouts will swing towards Remain.
>Mass suicides across UK
>2020
>UK joins the Euro
>2030
>PM Khan implements Shariah law nationwide
>>76267961
He chats shit, I don't care if other countries are growing they don't have good welfare, healthcare or environmental policies. They would be a bad influence on us.
I do agree the EU has a large democratic problem though so I'm not going to try to argue it further. I just don't think leaving is the solution, I think we need to work to make it more democratic.
I'm basically taking the long view, when capitalism turns even more sour bureaucratic structures like the EU will be really useful in restructuring our society for the better.
>>76268330
>>Although national courts generally accept the principle in practice, most of them disagree with this extreme interpretation
GENERALLY ACCEPT THE PRINCIPLE IN PRACTICE
As in they uphold the EU law. It matters not if they "disagree" with it in principle you stupid ass mother fucker.
Besides, even if they did not do this in practice anyway, what good does it do your country to have a superstate of unelected officials with the power to override your laws?
EU must die.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJ05NfM-4Y
SHARE THIS
>>76268330
>vote to decline EU law/regulations
>EU makes you vote again
>EU makes you vote again
>oh they finally got the vote right
>EU accepts it
no you are right they totally dont make people do what they want and respect national law over EU law surely they do irish vote is a great example of this r-right?
>>76268329
yup, fuck saudi
>>76268329
This. Why don't Cameron and Merkel print a letter in the newspaper asking Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, etc.. why they are so rich, in the case of Saudis have so much free space, have the same language and religion as these people, yet are doing nothing and expecting a European, Christian people to do everything?
What suckers we are.
Wow this Victoria debate really boils my blood
>hurr ruling ourselves is hard
>>76268446
Why do you hate Britain so much?
>when capitalism turns even more sour
Go to North Korea if you hate capitalism so much. Even China is economically capitalist.
>>76268574
whats your take finland?
>>76264214
what do I do if I'm moving house on the 16th? how do I vote?
>>76264214
No. We're going to vote overwhelmingly to stay.
The demographic war has already been lost and with it went all hope of a democratic solution.
>>76268568
Why do you think I hate Britain? What does it even mean to hate a nation? Its such a broad concept..
Maybe you are confusing my hatred of the Tory government for hating my own country.
North Korea is a hell hole, china has capitalism with Asian values which is the worst kind. The only model with some hope left in it is the European one.
This will never not make me laugh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na360I-dfXg
>>76268446
So you'd prefer bureaucracy to democracy?
What makes you think they'll reform? We've been trying to reform them for 40 years. We've achieved precisely nothing, and just given up more and more democratic power.
> EU will be really useful in restructuring our society for the better.
Why in gods name would you want unelected foreigners to be in charge of "restructuring the country for the better"? You get ZERO SAY in what they implement. You don't get to vote on a manifesto, you don't get to hold them accountable for their decisions. You just have to accept what they decide is best for you.
>>76264214
The fact that the polls are even that close frankly disgusts me. Take it back Nigel
>>76268421
Postal votes are counted with normal votes
>>76268446
>I think we need to work to make it more democratic.
Good luck you retard, people have been trying for 45 fucking years and gotten the sum of jack shit out of it.
>>76267961
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp6FZ-V8w_8
Thanks for sharing that video m8
>>76268815
fucking same i genuinely cant believe it
I just tried to fart and accidentally shit my pants.
Thus I have decided to leave the EU
>>76268882
Well it's a better reason than cheap holidays I suppose.
>>76268758
>wanting to stay in the EU over a tory government
Oh look, another remainer loving the anti-democratic EU because a party he dislikes won an election. Of course.
>>76268882
thanks obama!
>>76268882
*shat in my pants
Try proper grammar next time.
>>76265921
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36457120
Wow, fuck, check this slimy shit out:
>A Vote Leave campaign spokesman said MPs will not be able to "defy the will of the electorate" on key issues.
No, they'll just "defy the will of the electorate" on SOME issues.
Holy fuck. What the hell is this?
>>76268869
Really? This only started this year: https://diem25.org/
OC INNIS BITCH
AMERICA LOVES YA, LADS
>>76268758
>Maybe you are confusing my hatred of the Tory government
What is it that you fucking anti-Tory cucks do not understand
You can vote out the Tories, you cannot vote out the EU
VOTE OUT
MEME MAGIC
>>76268974
>No, they'll just "defy the will of the electorate" on SOME issues.
They can try, but the tory backbenches would call a vote of no confidence in the government. Unless Labour wants to fuck itself forever by alienating their voter base and supporting a tory government (protip: they won't as it would be political suicide) there would be snap elections won by Eurosceptics.
>>76268984
And it will go nowhere. Do you think they care what the people say when every time a nation has voted against new treaties they just forced them to vote again? The EU elites want their superstate and don't give a shit what you think about it.
>>76268984
The EU is a dead parrot.
>>76266134
have a look at "brexit the movie" on youtube. gives you a good idea
>>76269018
I can vote for MEPs in the European parliament. Which is actually one of the only votes that uses proportional representation.
Leaving the EU will mean less democracy for us. Firstly we will stay in the EEA so will still have to obey their rules, we just won't have ANY say in how it is run. Secondly our politicians will have less contact with european politicians, our influence will fade and we will become some pile of shit low tax nation who servers global capitalism, a british version of saudi with massive skyscrappers surrounded by slaves.
>>76268984
Good luck. They openly defy democratic reform and always have. These people do not believe in democracy, they want an autocracy with them being the ruling political class. The EU is what it is. You need to look at it and decide whether you want to commit the country to "ever closer union" until we become a member of a superstate. It's not reforming for anyone.
https://www.democracy-international.org/eu-commission-blocks-democratic-reform
>>76266412
BTFO cuck. Watch this video and learn something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJ05NfM-4Y
>>76264214
On a scale from 0 to Austria, how rigged will this vote be?
>>76267329
they may not nigger out in the street but the next general election will be won by ukip.
>>76269292
>I can vote for MEPs in the European parliament.
Rubberstamp body with no power to initiate legislation itself.
>he's worried about neoliberalism when the EU is a hugely neoliberal institution
Are you retarded?
Victoria is so utter shit and biased it's not even funny
She only got a show after the jew in charge of the BBC wanted more women on tv
>>76269292
>I can vote for MEPs in the European parliament
So you can vote for the advisors, but not the executive or legislative - so democratic
> Firstly we will stay in the EEA so will still have to obey their rules, we just won't have ANY say in how it is run. Secondly our politicians will have less contact with european politicians, our influence will fade and we will become some pile of shit low tax nation who servers global capitalism, a british version of saudi with massive skyscrappers surrounded by slaves.
pic related
The funniest thing about you Remain cucks is that you are living in the 1800s where Europe was the only continent worth anything.
It's 2016, the World is bigger and better than the EU
>>76268758
What the fuck has the EU got to do with whether the tories stay in?
Are you saying you want to import more immigrants so they vote the tories out?
>>76269306
It will reform when the euro crisis fully unravels. I want the UK to be there to rebuild it from the ashes.
The reason it has remained stable in this undemocratic form is because the neoliberal model gave us prosperity for almost half a century so people could swallow the bullshit, now that times are changing the EU will change for the better, it is the worst time to leave.
>>76269306
>In February 2016 the European Commission declared it would not improve the legislation of the European Citizens’ Initiative (ECI). This refusal occurred in spite of demands by the European Parliament and by thousands of people from all across Europe to reform the instrument of participation at EU level.
Holy fuck remainers are dumb
>b-but the commission listens to the parliament I swear
>I-it's not a powerless body
Cunts.
>>76269117
>vote of no confidence in the government
One of the benefits of a parliamentarian model.
Even if the UK should remain (not) you should vote Leave. Why: nobody is going to party if we remain. If we vote to leave, most of the UK will party and celebrate. Come on... do it for Nige. Make him happy.
INDEPENDENCE DAY
>>76269483
What if they use the crisis to merge into a federal superstate (for our own economic good!!!) and take all democratic power from individual states? The next thing they want to do is form an EU army. An army, in the hands of these unelected bureaucrats. What could go wrong?
>>76269483
>It will reform when the euro crisis fully unravels
You mean the EU will federalise using the euro crisis as an excuse. They're already talking about EU control over national budgets because of the Euro crisis anon.
>now that times are changing the EU will change for the better
You are literally delusional if you think the EU elite will allow any change whatsoever.
>>76269445
Nothing I was just trying to figure out why I was accused of hating Britain.
>>76269575
Are you guys hoping that Scotland will set sail and leave to be an independent nation should the Brexit happen?
Is that a general hope as well?
>>76269483
>I want the UK to pay for the wood the fire the ashes and clean up so we can be outvoted in every decision we have ever opposed
>>76269605
>merge into a federal superstate
>for our own economic good
So Singapore should merge with Indonesia? No. You're a retarded remaintard.
>>76269544
Yeah, they make for bizarre nights sometimes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_vote_of_no_confidence_in_the_government_of_James_Callaghan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBJFssfH2Z8
>tfw Europe cucks the UK out of leaving
>>76269687
I'm saying that's the excuse they'd use you plank. Not what I believe. Of course it's ridiculous, but it's the line of bullshit everyone seems to buy when it comes to surrendering more and more power to these people.
>>76269605
Honestly sounds better than the EU falling apart, europe falling into an even longer economic depression, nationalism running wild etc.
>>76269687
That was clearly sarcasm
>>76264214
Honestly the direction of travel here is fucking appalling.
>Scottish Independence is backed by zero daily newspapers
>SNP take it from 30-5% opinion polling to a peak of 51% opinion poll and an actual result of 45%, at minimum a 10% movement.
>Brexit starts at ~42% with much stronger support in the press and greater cross-party support overall.
>...Stays at 42% pretty consistently.
>>76269643
Don't really want the Scots to leave but it's up to them.
To be honest, the Scots will try to fuck us over on Brexit but I think also many Scots are regretting their choice of SNP too.
At this stage we only care about Brexit . . .the Scottish issue is for another day.
>>76269338
austria
>>76264214
Gonna be like Austria where some last minute votes change the outcome and everything will proceed as usual.,
>>76264214
As a show of American motivation, if you don't Brexit we are going to drop a lot of freedom on your asses, so you know what to look forward to if you fail. Also look over the freedomized collateral.
>>76269778
>implying nationalism running wild is a bad thing
