https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJ05NfM-4Y
Why the fuck would anyone vote for UK to stay in the EU?
Please explain to me why ~47% of the country wants to stay in. Are they just retarded?
>>76229062
Same reason there are actually still Hillary supporters. People just don't give a shit or care to understand
>>76229062
Maybe they don't pay income taxes.
http://www.wnyc.org/story/164728-53-percent-take-99-percent/
>>76229228
I wonder if they were presented with all the facts they would change their mind or is it an intrinsic part of them.
The truth is out there it's not exactly hard to find so I don't understand their excuse.
>>76229062
many have their salaries paid by the EU. artists, cucks, etc
>>76229062
>If you vote leave, bread will go up a gajillion dollars, aliens will come down from the sky, WW3 will start, and Poseidon will level our little island. So vote to stay, goy, and remember the six trillion.
>>76229062
>Why the fuck would anyone vote for UK to stay in the EU?
Maybe these people don't trust your government?
I mean this is literally neoliberals fighting against neoliberals who want to stay.
There's likely a plethora of hidden motives at play on both sides and to be honest I don't think neither is good for the people.
I had a lad on my normiebook laying out why he's voting out.
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If this was a general election, I would expect to see a manifesto at the very least with a detailed plan of exactly how the process will work, but instead all we hear is the usual facts and figures being taken out of context.
Trade - if your plan is a single agreement with Germany, we will still lose out since we have fairly substantial trade agreements with most EU members, especially France.
Business - the EU doesn't have to "agree" to any trade agreements made with anyone outside the EU unless there's reason to believe the money is being used for nefarious purposes (i.e. funding terrorism). It's a moot point. All the EU does is make it easier for us to trade with EU members.
As for the subsidies, yeah we haven't received money directly from the EU because we've never needed it. When the financial crisis occurred, all members had the same problems, not just the UK. I'd argue that the amount we've received back from the EU thanks to open trade deals far outweighs this point, but I'm assuming we're never going to agree on that.
Scientists - sorry, but no. We are utterly terrible when it comes to funding scientific advancement in the UK, and being able to reap the rewards of places like CERN, I think, is fantastic.
Education - I'm confused about how your point about EU subsidies applies at all to education.
>>76230846
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EU citizens - "worst case scenario is they have to fill in visa paperwork"... You mean that process that every non-EU asylum seeker has to go through that regularly takes 4 years or more to process? Yeah, good luck finding the funding the Home Office sorely needs to process that entirely pointless shit.
Citizens Abroad - Depending on the decision of the EU, they may have no choice but to "kick all that revenue out". Personally, I agree, I don't think it will happen.
Investors and financial organisations - Speak to any banker on this topic and they'll all tell you the same thing - the market is balanced permanantly on a knife edge. The issue here is that large scale changes like Brexit make investors incredibly nervous, since it's difficult to determine an outcome. It WILL and already is putting off investors in the US from investing in UK industry, and that stands to get worse the closer we get to the vote. Private banks in the UK have a hell of a lot of power, and a lot of businesses are already moving to outsource labour elsewhere. Current EU human rights laws prevent companies in the UK from using foreign workforce in some areas over concerns of child labour for example - unless something is put in place, many companies may end up legally outsourcing once this law is no longer an issue, taking more jobs out of British workers hands.
The biggest issue for me is human rights. We've seen the travesties that the DWP have been handing out for years, and I worry that without the EU to contend with, there may be far worse to come. Yeah, It might not happen, and yeah the EU is currently pretty broken, but I don't think that throwing our toys out of the pram is the best way of dealing with it. We should be fixing it, not leaving it to rot.
>So what do you think /pol/?
>>76230484
I'd rather be controlled by a bunch os snidy cunts I voted in that by a bunch of snidy cunts who were picked arbitrarily.
EU, more like Pee-ew!
aha am I right!?
>>76229062
Brainwashed normies who don't know what they're voting to support,
Immigrants and subversion agents voting for greater centralised control,
Ruling elite that want to extend their power.
>>76229062
>not wanting to be part of a pan European super power
What are you, some kinda faggot? When Trump becomes President and dissolves NATO you'll be begging to be part of the newly reorganised European Army
>>76231374
Wouldn't mind being part of a European super power if Europe wasn't a cucked continent.
Don't want my family being raped by Mohammad ty.
>>76231740
That's still going to happen dipshit.
Leavers talk about closer ties with the Comminwealth, you know the commonwealth contains Pakistan and Bangledesh right? That's 300 million Muslims.
>>76232211
Will happen in 20 years if we leave the EU, will happen int he next 3 years if we stay.
20 years gives the continent time to realise what's happening. We will see the rest of Europe collapse and the UK normies will get red-pilled.
A combination of university/college students who are indoctrinated with liberal ideas, the Scottish/Welsh voters who are pro EU, Indians/Pakis/Poles who fear an independent UK, and just liberal voters in general.
It's an economic stability question. It goes without saying that neither EU policy nor TODAY'S UK policy favor economic growth in any meaningful way.
The EU actually has higher potential to do so (but it rarely acts on it) -- that's the reason to stay. The UK is signalling they might take action SOONER -- that's the reason to leave.
Either way, it's about probabilities of curtailing government spending, socialist policies, etc. while maintaining as much trade as possible.
Our main media outlets are shilling pretty hard for the 'stay in' vote through routine fearmongering of economic turmoil.
>>76233155
There will be economic turmoil. The question is how long, and how horrifically does the UK respond to it.
Believe you me, if the UK pulls out of the EU only to enact the same retarded socialist policies the EU was going to impose upon you anyway, you have not succeeded in doing anything other than making it harder to take a vacation in Spain.
>>76233295
It will make no difference to holidaying in Spain.
But sadly, that's the sort of crap normies believe & that's why they'll vote remain in droves.
>>76233787
Well, it will make it more expensive for one, and it will likely make the regulatory environment around doing so bigger. These are things you impose upon yourself by not being a member of the trade union known as the EU.
But those are mild things I only mentioned for the sake of the joke. The capital market repercussions for England and for foreign investors will be staggering. As I said, the concern for you should be limited to:
>how long will it take for the UK government to respond
>what action will they take as a response
Anything remotely socialist and you might as well have just stayed, because UK is fucked 'n cucked forever.
However, if I wake up on January 1, 2018 and the NHS is gone and people actually have to pay for their own healthcare, then there is hope for your country.
>>76234207
That's such bullshit. It won't made holidaying abroad in the EU any harder, that's been debunked 1000 times.
If the EU do introduce laws that make it harder for UK citizens to enter the EU on holiday, then they are snidy, spiteful cunts for doing that and it will make me even happier we left.
>>76229062
>Are they just retarded?
Yes. And scared, misinformed, greedy, lazy, cowards, etc. etc.
>>76233295
>>76233787
Going on holiday is a privilege not a right
CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE
Democracy is a right
People who don't care/ are uninformed are more likely to not vote...
It should pass leave if theres no ((tricks))
>>76231374
>wanting globalism
are you mentally ill
>>76229376
What makes you think you're right and they're not? Nobody knows what will happen, if the Brits vote to leave.
You'll still get immigration from Pakistan and India (where most migrants come from, anyway), you'll get all the Calais migrants that are stuck in France, who knows what shitty trade deal you'll get from the EU and the US after that, etc, etc.
I'm not advocating for your staying or leaving, since I don't have the right to do so, neither do I care, but some Brexiters really are living on cloud 9.
Paul is kinda cute.
>>76236185
Facts. Statistics. Stupid little things like those.
Also the fact that every news outlet and the government are pouring money into Pro-EU campaigns and mis-reporting stuff.
>>76233295
>believe you me
Yeah ok Bisping
>>76236491
The second part may be true, in fact, it most certainly is, the first part of your post is not.
The statistics show that you get most of your immigration from countries outside of the EU, mainly, as I said - India and Pakistan. You also get a lot of immigration from Poland, who are white.
Brexit won't fix your immigration problem, it may even deepen it. The treaties that you have in place that bind France from releasing the Calais migrants will shatter and then you'll have to deal with it. You may get a Switzerland-style deal at best, but I doubt that will help you at all since you'll be entirely at the mercy of the EU, and that includes immigration. Nigel "Can't Barrage" Farage gives you great promises, and I really think he is sincere about it, but delivering them seems wishful thinking. Johnson is a corrupt fuck who only uses the Brexit as a means to an end.
Now, I know this may seem like a pro-EU statement to you, but I can assure you, it's really not. I hate how the EU is being run, as well, how 90% of the budget is going to Poland for example (kek), the immigration, the censorship... everything. However, I'm looking at this from an objective standpoint, and I can't seem to see any future where things will be fine and dandy for any country leaving it.
>>76236349
>Cute
Watch as he kicks you with his 50 inch long legs
>>76237591
He looks like Gondola.
A cute Gondola~
They're either retarded or benefit from the EU at the expense of everyone else. My sister, for instance, wishes to remain in the EU because of travelling and that one day she may decide to study at a European university (even though she's currently a drug addict and skips her fucking BTEC lessons). When you point out that it's governments who deny people the right to move freely, and governments again that issue tariffs or prohibit trade between certain nations, and that the solution to her concerns might actually be less government intervention, certainly not the monster that is the EU, she simply ignores you and repeats the same points.
A woman I saw on television yesterday claimed that she supports the EU because labour unions do, I believe she was an elected politician.
I don't know why so many people on the left wish to remain in either; haven't Keynesian economic policies, or at least monetary expansion, been effectively banned?
>>76229062
I've always been skeptical of using Switzerland for any comparative analysis, but once again Watson is right about the rest.
