>1999+17
>not being a skilled tradesman
Why aren't you working in the only occupational field that is uncuckable?
>>76149571
people who do this shit barely make 15/hr bro
>>76149571
>work with spics all day
Uncuckable my ass
>>76149571
>working with degenerates
No thanks guy.
I did my time in the trenches and I won't go back to working with addicts, retards. and ex-cons.
No thanks. I likelike makeing more money working in an office.
>>76149712
Military?
>>76149596
Maybe in shitty places and only during apprenticeships. Journeyman plumbers here make ~$35/hr on average.
>>76149651
>spics
>skilled trades
Are you retarded? They do unskilled manual labor. Hardly any of them are certified tradesmen.
>>76149712
>addicts, retards. and ex-cons.
Addicts and ex-cons have no chance of becoming licensed by the state. Apprenticeships have background & drug screenings. You also need a pretty clean driving record since a lot of the sector has technicians going to various sites.
>>76149730
Boring
Even if you're unskilled, anyone can get a job with a fucking railroad and they'll pay you during training too.
>>76149795
Nope, at least the military has the decency to disqualify the ex-cons.
>>76149807
Spics are starting to creep their way into the skilled trades too.
>>76149651
Yeah in general construction.
Like 85% of the people I work with are white. But I work as a overhead lineman.
>>76149596
I started at $23/hr. I know my union starts helpers at $15/hr. But you only work for 4days and you have school on the 5th.
>>76149730
>Tfw I make more than the engineers who design electrical grids and draft our blueprints
Feels good man.
>>76150070
even in america? railroad doesn't sound bad. although i imagine they work 10-15 hour days 6 days a week
>>76149916
>Addicts and ex-cons have no chance of becoming licensed by the state. Apprenticeships have background & drug screenings.
AYY I've seen journeyman and apprentices alike that would show up to sites reeking from the night before. And drug screenings don't mean shit when the foreman lets clean apprentices drop pee for the fuck ups.
Even the foremen are just glorified prison guards and tard wranglers.
>>76150225
Yeah bro. My friend got hooked up with TCU and they paid him to get his cdl. He makes $36/hr fucking with railroad signals. And he is only 22.
>>76150225
Running trades a pretty slow right now but should pick up by fall. They hire heavy duty mechanics, car repairmen, equipment operators, and conductors here with no prior experience.
I'm a locomotive engineer. When I show up for work they have us up to ten hours. Sometimes we're done earlier. We're paid by the mile so you earn the same amount regardless. You can take 24 hours off after every shift if you really want.
Not a job for someone with kids or a family, but for a young guy that doesn't need a set schedule it's awesome.
>>76150349
still workin on my ged but ill def look into it. id the free traininga thing too or just a meme?
>>76149571
yes
go into electrical work for decent pay/working conditions and good job security against robots
>>76150500
Not a meme, they just make you work slave hours.
>>76150265
That sounds like a special anecdotal case.
Go ahead, try getting an apprenticeship anywhere in the country while pissing hot and/or having a criminal record. It won't happen.
>Even the foremen are just glorified prison guards and tard wranglers.
By "foremen" you mean masters, right? And no, we don't take care of the guys under us. They hand us our tools, shut up, and learn on the job/in the classroom.
Your parents are better examples of tard wranglers.
>>76150070
>>76150349
Railroad work in the US is pretty volatile. Layoffs happen all the time.
>>76150500
Yeah they paid for his.
I got my cdl by spending 8 months in coon corps so there is also that if you want to go live for free.
>>76150634
>fuck up once
>crispy
>>76150689
Yeah, it's volatile if you work non-union. But those union railroad folk are fucking spoiled. They have almost double the benifits I do as a union lineman.
Make shit for a living
Machinist here
Can literally make anything
>>76149571
22 here, working for a general contractor right now at $15/hr, but hoping to be a union carpenter eventually.
It's pretty good work. Exercise, some fresh air, don't have to worry about annoying female coworkers.
>>76150812
I was a union plumber before I got a maintenance plumber gig at a hospital. It was awesome but I like this work a lot more.
>>76150723
you won't get electrocuted doing electrical work unless you fuck up big time or are doing high tension shit
>>76150813
Can you make gf?
>>76150813
How much do machinists make in states?
>>76149571
>implying electricians don't get cucked by illegal spics who will do the job for a ridiculously low price and not up to code in the slightest
>>76150723
oh yeah, that's another plus - all the drooling mongoloids you would find in the other trades die during their apprenticeships. Truly the most alpha trade.
>>76150813
How tight of a tolerance can you hold?
>>76150634
>>76151134
Is it true you guys let the helpers take all the scrap copper?
>>76150723
Not if you are doing residential or commercial. All you do is flip breakers.
Now my job you get cooked inside out if you fuck up.
Soon I'll be working on powerlines where I will be vaporized in a glorious 20ft fireball that will destroy the helicopter I will be dangling from. Fun shit.
>>76149712
Literally this.
Tradesmen all have the same lame ass jokes too
>Hey Tony, Jonny over here said you eat shit sandwiches for lunch
>I told him, I said, Jonny you lyin' asshole.Tony doesn't like bread!
>Hahahahaha!! Do ya get it Tony?
>>76151037
>who will do the job for a ridiculously low price
it's not that they do it for less, the welfare they take in makes up the difference
>>76149571
I am and its great.
>>76150890
All I ever see carpenters make is temporary shit for the jobsite.. hole covers, rails, etc. Must be depressing. I love amazing beautiful woodwork but you just never see it anymore.
>>76150813
Do you know how to make firearms?
>>76151513
Bet he could build you a real nice cuckshed.
>>76151813
Maybe a little door for the glory hole? That would be keeyooot
>>76149571
Cool story. I work as a kitchen & bath designer and our business should pull at least ~400K in profits this year. I own 50% of the company. We are expanding soon and those cucked tradesmen we hire aren't making nearly as much.
If you want to be compensated well, start a business with high margins and work hard to get clients over the years. It's the best path to wealth imo.
Could be accounting, legal work, software services, or whatever just avoid any debt early on so you can escape wage slavery and work for yourself.
I worked for a large design firm till 28yo and wish I got out sooner. Am 31yo now.
>>76151228
Oh shit I've heard about this. Helicopter linemen. Insane.
>>76152170
Congrats on your success anon!
>>76151226
Depends on the foreman/company. But yes it happens. When I first started we demo'd a shit ton and split the take. Its a nice little bonus.
>>76152170
Draw me a toilet, faggot.
>>76150216
>Tfw I make more than the engineers who design electrical grids and draft our blueprints
Their earning potential is much higher than yours
>qualified as an electrician
>using that qualification to pay my way through uni to become an engineer
>if engineering fails I can always fall back onto the trade
Being a sparky is a decent paying job, but I don't want to be doing it forever
>NEETs and wageslaves think themselves too good to actually work for a living
>>76149596
I make 30
>Being a wageslave
>Not making the money work for you
>>76149571
how did you get into the skilled trade, anons?
after I finish studying philosophy for personal edification I want to go back to working with my hands, but I want to do something better than general labor / custodial work (which I did for 4 years before going into university)
>telling the plebs who wish to be babysoft for the rest of their lives about the real redpill
Let the children remain children.
>>76153212
Threads like these just prove how stupid tradies are.
Keep telling people to join the trades so they can flood the labor market and drastically lower your wages. No wonder you fucks couldn't hack it in school.
>>76153344
What is your major?
>>76153520
Women's Studies.
>>76153661
>>76153800
Hey if a $100k/year job doesn't fall into my lap I could always learn a trade.
Because when I was growing up I was told if I didn't go to a mainstream college and get a desk job I'd be a failure
>>76149596
I charged a guy about $300 (R4500) just to set the timing on a cummins isx. Took less than 5 minutes because it was already in stripped state.
>15/hour
>Ok
>>76153960
This
I don't know what started this mind set but it is retarded
Been applying for apprentice positions for the past year, no response. Probably going to go to university instead.
>>76149596
Git gud
>>76149730
Cubicle cuck
>>76153960
Brainwashed
>>76153344
Agreed, I actually enjoy that my generation and younger turned into pussies and decided to work with computers or cubical jobs. The last thing I need is oversaturation of workers in my field.
>>76149596
what?
Im a 2nd year pipefitter apprentice, and i make $34 an hour plus LOA plus travel money
what the fuck are you smoking? do you think everyone makes the same McDonalds burger flipper rate that you do?
>>76149651
get a trade that requires brains and you wont have to deal with them
>>76151024
Conventional or CNC? Idk much about cnc but I hear decent enough. Like mid thirties an hour. If you're smart as a mechanic you'll get into a power plant as a maintenance mechanic or similar trade /workplace and you can get compensated very well. I was a nuts and bolts mechanic making 70k in NYC and swapped into ops after passing the test. Make 110k base after built in overtime and night shift differential. Ops is rotating 12s but maintenance is straight days.
>>76151228
>Soon I'll be working on powerlines where I will be vaporized in a glorious 20ft fireball that will destroy the helicopter I will be dangling from. Fun shit.
I love being in the oilfield.
>600V service fucked up somehow
>Hey guy, you know how to turn on a multimeter, right? Go fix that shit, and hurry. Every hour we're down costs $20,000
>>76152482
Unless they have a doctorates or dual masters then nope. Ive had coworkers make 233k the year new Orleans got hit by katrina but they where working 70hr weeks. But if I can become a foreman of a helicopter lineman crew then I will definitely still make more than most of them ever will.
>>76153138
You wanna go union. Figure out what trade seems cool. Electricians and plumbers are versatile and work in cool places. Steam fitters and millwrights do cool stuff as well. Elevator constructors are versatile and make more money than anyone I know in NYC and maybe California. Stationary engineering is cool because you're a jack of all trades. Google for a union apprenticeship in your area. Like ibew "your state" locations. If you're in a right to work state I don't know. Probably craigslist searching for apprenticeship or helper positions where you're fucked wage wise because there aren't unions.
What is the most in-demand trade? I know electricians are saturated as fuck now
>>76155342
Listen to this guy >>76152170 and start your own business and let the trade cucks do all the heavy lifting while you reap the benefits.
If 4chins is anything to go by you could make a killing designing and building cucksheds constructed using strictly artisan techniques.
>>76154496
I thought you should be more concerned about your tanned compatriots..
>>76155342
Only residential ones are. Specialized industrial and power lines need people really bad since all the boomers there are retiring. But boilermakers and wastewater are two more I can think of.
>>76153344
My company is starting to give sign on bonuses for journeyman lineman now since there isn't enough people to do that anymore since all the a class are all quiting.
>>76155544
Seems like if you're in a trade, having your own business is the end game. My friend's dad retired when he was 43 because of his plumbing business.
>>76151226
Yeah I do HVAC and I get to take all the scrap coopper
>>76155736
It is. Like if you're a master electrician, the vast majority of your work will just be inspecting and signing off of the work that the journeymen and such are doing under you.
>>76155545
A mans gotta eat brah, besides with the darkies fucking us up big time economically we all are going to bite the bullet eventually.
>>76152170
>work hard to get clients over the years
How exactly do you do this?
>>76156054
Do good work
Be reliable
Charge a fair price (note that a fair price does not imply a low price -- as a matter of fact, you can fuck yourself by doing jobs for cheap)
Network...get buddy buddy with general contractors (dunno if y'all have the same kind of thing, but they're the guys over construction projects in the US), designers, plumbers, and just in general
Always. Be. Closing.
Because I don't want to be around working class people.
>become specialised in a low IQ field
Why would you do that?
So how do you get into this stuff? The way I hear it you just sign up with the union, they have some kind of interview / aptitude test and then when a spot is open for you they start you on some combination of training and wage.
Is that correct, I don't have to start by going to college or even trade school? I can just sign up and start with some combination of entry-level work and classes (that you also get paid for)? That sounds sweet. I've been working in IT for 10 years and just got up to 17/hr, but I'm really sick of it.
>>76156663
because skilful workers cost shit tons of money, low IQ field or not.
>Went all through high school bring guided into college
>Even took college level courses to prep
>Get to college for Engineering
>STEM teachers spoke worse English than ditchdigger spics
>Ironically the only good professor I had was in a history based class taught by a woman
>Used to actually being taught in HS, not used to learning solo
>Drop out
Now I'm contemplating a tradeskill, though not sure what. Maybe welding, or electrician work. Someone mentioned machining earlier.
Any opinions on trades?
Was also thinking about getting IT certs, but maybe I don't really want to deal with plugging in mice all day and not being respected at all.
>>76156797
Guys in this thread are saying the work for $35 an hour. That isn't that much.
>>76156785
Depends on the field and where in the country you are.
Some unions have waiting lists years longs for apprenticeships.
>>76156902
in what world is that not good enough.
>>76156854
>not being respected at all.
You think being a blue collar worker will be any different.
>>76157026
If you're single it's probably more than you'll know what to do with.
But you can't raise a family on that shit.
>>76156785
Can a bro help me out? How do I go about getting a trade?
>>76157026
The first world, you wouldn't understand.
>>76149571
Story time?
>be me
>fucking white male
>go to trade school to be electrician
>most contractors in my area do business with
>federal government
>diversityquota.blend
>can't get a job after a year of searching
>try to get on with local iron workers union
>also federal contracts, and therefore
>culturallyenriched.pixar
>talk to local hiring agency
>"they'll only take a white male
>if he receives government assistance."
>get food stamps
>go to this weird-ass work camp
>which is a week-long try-out where the union
>takes who they want from a huge pool
>women and minorities
>they are weak and don't work hard
>get hired anyways
>one of three white males to get hired
>boss is mexican
>always cursing at me, calling me names
>much to amusement of his fellow mexicans
>one female worker in our outfit
>she flirts with mexican boss while he
>smokes cigs and stands around all day
>I am literally wiping sweat out of my eyes
>while this slimy spic
>flirts with this disgusting do-nothing
>girl-power feminist
>for 8 hours
I couldn't take that shit for more than a month, OP is a faggot who has never worked for a federal contractor.
>>76157088
72k + wife's 50k = Enough for you and 2 children
>>76157195
>having a wife that works
>only having two children
You're a failure as man and a Finn.
>>76151134
Is this really true, how often is there a barbeque?
>>76157294
>having full grown human under your shoulder
I'm not a charity service, you work or you get the fuck out.
>>76151134
You mean ironworkers, right?
>>76156854
only disrespected aspect of IT is tier 1
once you're past that the money is breddy gud and you're not stuck removing viruses from some dumb cunt's netbook all day
also you can be a complete fucking menace in the right circumstances, you'll be feared rather than looked down upon
>>76157177
>blaming all your problems on your skin color
No better than niggers
>>76157034
Majority of the time IT gets treated like trash because you're blamed whenever anything goes wrong, and not even acknowledged when everything is gravy.
There are tradeskills that garner respect because they require skill and/or expertise that consumers generally want.
Half the degrees that are pumped out of colleges now are dead ends anyway.
I'm a salesperson.
Kill me.
I basically suck up to rich pooinloos and chinky-pies all day for money.
>>76157388
If your wife works then who is raising your kids you cuck? The state? No wonder you're future is fucked.
>>76157426
Playing whack-a-mole with bullpins all day doesn't sound very manly.
>>76149596
>>76149651
>>76149712
>>76149730
lazy liberal faggots spotted.
>>76156854
College is where you master the art of self learning lad, especially in engineering. That's how the real world works, people aren't gonna be waiting around to teach you.
Go back to school, especially if you have a passion for engineering.
>>76157177
Self employment? It's a real thing.
White Power co.
We provide white (safe), clean and fast electric and gas works to your business or home. Contact now 0800-WHITE-POWER
>being poor
>>76149571
lel in australia the government passed rules so foreign tradesmen (chinks) dont even have to have their qualifications checked when they come into the country
>>76149571
Really, really considering it at this point. I never even wanted to go to college. I'm a technician by (personal, not professional) trade despite being a student as well.
I'm a guy who appreciates fixing things and maintaining them (primarily in the electronics department). Unfortunately for me, a trade wasn't (isn't) exactly viable for me as I live where there's no place I can just sign up for one.
The one that I really really want to do is Elevator Technician (who also make the most on average for most trades according to the BLS), but there's nowhere I can go to do that within a 50 miles of me.
I don't know. Basically college sucks ass and I just want to do some honest, skilled labor.
Move to Alberta there's tons of jobs they said
>>76157552
It does when you're 700 feet off the ground.
>>76157177
Sounds like your average day on any job site in California.
You should have stuck it out because even though construction is flooded with shitskins the majority of foremen and project managers are good ol boys.
>>76157525
Well unless you are good at what you do and don't get 10 grand in a month... Better start selling something better.
>>76157464
Where did I blame problems on my skin color? I related my experiences as a tradesman. Are you not aware of the fact that federal contractors and those who do business with the government are required to have a certain number of handicapped/minority/women workers? It's not too much of a stretch of your imagination to think that unqualified people might be hired to meet quotas, is it? You can say what you want. I saw it firsthand- minorities and women always came out ahead of white men in the trades.
>>76149571
But anon, I am
>>76149596
Why are trades in the US so low paying i get £175 a day as a gas qualified plumber in the UK and that can still rise
Who else HVAC here? Making 20 an hour as a first year apprentice. Tons of work and paying off bills feels good man.
>>76157851
True, but sadly they are a dying breed. I only had the fortune of meeting one such man. ONE.
Yeah, I regret not learning a trade after high school.
I'm 23 and in university now, probably will be until 25 or 26.
I know multiple guys who 2-3 years older than me who have bought or built a house already. All of them are tradesmen.
Anyone who is reading this who's in high school atm:
Finish high school
Then learn a trade
If you want, go study in a related field after that.
>>76157932
Electricians and such charge you like $140 minimum just to step in your home.
>>76157683
I'm not sure I have a passion for anything at this point.
>>76157932
Read the fucking thread. Most Union tradesmen in the US make mid $30s per hour straight time.
>>76157829
>he fell for the you'll get rich working the patch meme
Wew lad.
>tfw parents forced me to go into university
At least they are paying for it and not me
>>76156854
There's competition for history teacher jobs while they always need more to teach math
>>76156854
HVAC or bust.
Anything else is plebshit.
>>76157443
IT bro here as well. Can confirm that Tier one is total fucking shit, and I actually started (currently working) upper end tier one, not basic bottom of th barrel tier one.
I'm not just a helpdesk jockey, I also have admin rights to many of the servers and partial admin rights to the domains of my college, plus I can access the servers and switch closets if need be. But even with all that it isn't all that great.
Honestly, and I say this extremely emphatically, the worst aspect of tier one IT is basically the interaction with customers. Customers are the fucking bane of my existence as they are for just about every IT professional. What's great about Tier Two and Tier Three is that you almost never have interact with customers unless you're a manager.
Unfortunately the way you get up to tier two and three is not always by hard work and tenacity. IT is an extremely networked field. The best way to get in is to know others already in, and once you're in you begin networking again immediately and getting to know people across departments, across companies so that you always have a path to traverse through.
Anyways, just giving an industry tip.
>>76149571
I work in IT now but I always wished I went the trade route. I'm by no means an expert at anything but I can hold my own when it comes to brick laying, plastering, electronics, woodworking, plumbing and probably a few other things. I used to uave a more manual job where it was mostly heaving lifting but I'd do a but of ad hoc DIY when it was needed and I miss it, my hands are too soft nowadays.
I think even if you don't work a trade you should at least be familiar with how some things work so you're not completely useless.
>>76158403
I've always been annoyed by the "condescending attitude towards users" thing. I worked in a retail computer shop for years and now do helpdesk. At first I could have trouble with customers as I was new to it, but I never had this "I can't believe how stupid the user is" attitude.
If you're in IT working with users, your job is to help them. It's not their job to understand how the technology works. If they did, you wouldn't have a job helping them. I even like the stupid questions. They're the easiest to resolve and make the user think you're a genius.
>>76158984
You have to keep in mind that the field is saturated with autists and social rejects so of course they'll complain about having to deal with actual human beings.
>>76158054
This is good advice
>>76149571
Learning to program. Im 30.
Gonna be learning aviation electronics and shit from the navy, hopefully by the time i get out it'll be a solid straight into middle class job.
I feel like half the people here are talking out of their ass "I make $35 an hour and I'm a second year apprentice"
/pol/ I'm an illegal, which trade would be the best for me to go to? Am I limited to construction only?
>>76159381
Drugs.
>>76159381
wall technician is always a good field to get in
>>76159381
Pretty much Paco.
Enjoy being a slave to your white foreman.
>>76159381
You can go back the way you came.
>>76158984
>>76159106
Oh believe me, I interact with most of my customers just fine, and I always give them quality service. But that still doesn't mean that I can't call them fucking idiots when they're gone, because they literally fucking are. They almost never have any idea what they actually need, much less want and I end up having to do THEIR work in addition to mine.
You sound like a noobie to the profession, or maybe you've just a heart of gold, but when you've got customers coming in asking for literally impossible things, or request after request after request, coming directly to me as opposed the proper channels like they're SUPPOSED TO, it becomes tiring and fast.
Look, I understand that most people aren't really that adept at technology (despite being surrounded by it fucking 24-7), but a lot of times you get customers coming to YOU for help, and then get indignant and defensive when you correct them and try to push that they're right and you're wrong. If a customer is polite and doesn't attempt to pretend that they know what they're talking about (when the vast majority of the time they don't), then I have no issues with them.
I personally think that you either haven't been in the industry long enough, or you just live in an extremely nice area, but trust me, eventually you will start to see patterns and you will slowly grow to hate a lot of people.
How's bluecollar trade is seen in west, especially with regards to status? Does it have any lower class reputation?
>>76149596
Plumber here.
I make $28/hour Canadian.
Once I get more experience I'm going off as a private contractor at $60/hour.
>>76152482
In the US EE jobs are predicted to either stagnate or decline over the next decade, there are more EE graduates than EE jobs, and around 50% of people with an EE degree sunny work in the field.
Shit is rough, I'm glad I'm a substation electrician desu
>>76159592
It's seen as something that dumb people who couldn't get into college have to do.
Who does all the blue collar work in Turkey? K*rts?
>>76149571
> proud of being a pleb
Because I'm not a fucking loser that settled for mediocrity?
>>76159782
Not really. BLS states 0% change between now and 2024. Literally 100 fewer workers in the field.
>>76149571
>current year
>not being a laborer working in the heat like a sweaty peasant or cleaning shit out of toilets like a filthy peasant
Lol, nice try with the bait. You'll never get paid six figures per year from a trade school, and even if you do, my college degree guarantees me a job where I earn at least $205,000 per year.
>>76158403
guess I got lucky then
started off at a company where a friend of my dad's is in a management position, initially I was just frontline helldesk but I got past that shit fairly quickly
currently tier 2, in charge of part of the VMWare infrastructure and one of the distribution closets
pretty nice gig, sit in the back all day tinkering with this and that, getting things running as smoothly as possible etc.
zero interaction with users except when somebody's internet goes down, then they make a big fuss and I pretend to do something about it until it starts working again
most strenuous thing I've done in recent memory is an emergency rebuild of part of the cluster after a double headcrash
God bless RAID 60, fuck shitgate
>>76159945
>having a boss
You're still a wageslave you bluepilled cunt.
>>76157829
No worries, leaf. When Trump gets elected and the Anglo-Slavic campaign to restore Constantinople begins global oil prices will spike and the gas patch will be great again.
>>76157294
My wife works because if I die, my life insurance policies won't cover her and the kid for their rest of their lives. Maybe 10 or so years at most. The point is, I want her out and able to provide for herself in case something does happen to me. She's not making peanuts either. She's north of $60k and were in Atlanta - which is good for this market.
We're able to set out work schedules so we have plenty of time at home. We usually do 4 work, 3 off weeks. My mom is semi-retired and practically begs to baby sit the kid.
But yeah - your wife should work in this day and age unless you've got a massive ass life insurance policy or your retirement account is already nearing 7 figures.
>>76159832
kurds do the really menial tasks, more like proletariat than blue collar.
I think blue collar work has a far worse reputation here due to the fact that you can be a plumber-welder etc in west and earn a decent amount. Thats not the case here, maybe thats why turks push everyone to college (though they don't make much either)
>>76149730
People like you are genetically inferiour.
Although you `earn more money` in society in it's present form. It shows your characteristic is one of apathy, laziness, selfishness and deciet.
Totally unfit for future forms of society.
Because I want to be a Mountie
>>76159945
>205k/yr starting salary
>>76160116
So a plumber or electrician in Ankara or Istanbul would make far less than some pleb who works in an office?
Don't you have any labor unions?
>>76160064
Sounds like you have some pretty sweet circumstances in your favor but for the most part if your wife works then your kids are basically being raised by strangers.
>>76159574
I've been in a computer store front desk for 6 years and then a small business helpdesk doing internal and external support for 3 years. I feel like I've seen enough bad customers, but I'll accept that some have seen worse.
The thing for me is I don't care if they're pretending to know what they're talking about or if they have an attitude. It's just a problem to be solved either way. It doesn't serve me any to connect it to them as a person and get upset myself.
What I've found is that if you get upset, they will get more upset as they'll sense that you're not in control. If they are acting like an asshole but you remain calm, they will eventually apologize. It all depends on you controlling the tone of the interaction, but not by escalating. If you escalate, you're responding to them in the wrong way. You need to project calm and competence and if somebody is getting upset, you have to show you're paying attention to them, but also that you're not intimidated by them.
>>76158148
You obviously like cars, maybe study to be an ME and go to a school with a Formula SAE program. Do things you have a liking towards, doors will open and you'll find your passion.
you can't stop globalism and jews if you are an electrician
>>76160524
32 hours a week with someone else. 136 at home. I think the kid will survive.
>>76154121
“The Modern Age is the Jewish Age, and the twentieth century, in particular, is the Jewish Century…Modernization, in other words, is about everyone becoming Jewish."
- Jewish historian Yuri Slezkine of the University of California
>>76149571
Based working class people in Austria voted based Hofer, yet libtarded university students made the green difference.
It's over.
>>76161222
I'm sure your kids will grow up to be good shabbos goys.
>>76149571
>he isnt in the legal profession, the most redpilled of them all
Its like you don't even want to understand true politics. Almost every important global leader is a lawyer.
>>76149571
>2015+1
>Taking only one trade
Why aren't you trying to be relevant?
>>76149571
Locksmith master race
You're welcome for making things niggerproof.
>>76163456
In my city locksmithing is basically a protected racket ran by the Armenians.
You're all scum and on the day of the rope you'll be the first to go.
>>76161721
Exactly what is redpilled about figuring out loopholes in written law? If anything it's the ultimate bluepill, hiding people from the truth.
Is there anybody here that's an Elevator Technician (Mechanical or Electical, doesn't matter)?
If so, how did you start? Where did you go and who did you approach? Pls, I need this information.
>>76163624
>Armenians
There's your problem
>>76163818
My grandmother was an elevator technician in the Chicago area but I forgot where
>>76163818
You will take an aptitude test and get on a ranked list. IF YOU DO WELL ENOUGH and are lucky, you'll get called into an interview and they adjust your rank. It's hard as hell to get in, LOTS of nepotism. Look somewhere else honestly. Thousands days of people apply for a single apprenticeship.
Because I did and I reached the top end of the pay scale, $22/hr. Back to school for me now to get a real degree.
>>76163818
Start at the bottom and work your way up.
>>76149571
Hopefully robots that can weld won't cuck me before i retire
>>76164051
Fuck, It's one of the trades I would really love to be able to get into. I guess I'll eventually try my hand at it anyways in the future, but at least I know where to lay my expectations.
>>76164088
No shit? I didn't realize that ethic was exclusive.
>>76164221
Yeah it really sucks. Sometimes.especially they have the audacity to make you pay a fee just for the test.
>>76164342
I was really optimistic about trying for ET because I had heard numerous times that the Electrician trade is very similarly networked, except it's with Mexicans.
Fuck...I suppose I can always work at an airport. I have always loved the atmosphere of airports.
>dont have to work with women or deal with HR bullshit
>not in danger of being replaced by automation
>strong sense of community and kinship among tradesmen
>you're doing something productive and tangible every day and get satisfaction from that
>you're your own boss, work your own hours by your own rules
feels good man
glazier here
>>76164440
Hahaha I feel the same way about airports. ETs are the very top with the best benefits and compensation. That's what I hear at least. Lot's of other trades with much more realistic chance of entry. I don't need to make $80k a year to be happy.
>>76164674
Yep. According to
http://www.bls.gov/ooh/construction-and-extraction/home.htm
ET's make the most of all those trades by a pretty fair margin.
idk. Something in construction seems more viable from my pov. Ironworker looks pretty neat, but I have no experience in welding.
>>76164933
If you have no experience machining, welding or fabricating shit, don't be afraid to try manufacturing courses at your local community college. I say this because "____worker looks pretty neat, but I have no experience welding"
>>76149651
>with
dude dont know about murricah but here the order of command is pretty clear.
we got helpers (usually russians or poles) and trainees and we got the experienced skilled germans who tell them what to do and how to do it.
if you dont like being in charge then i can see this not being for you but Im fine with being an electrician and doing actually important irreplaceable work for good money and taking responsibility.
>>76165127
I guess. I'm still enrolled in college, and there are few manufacturing/industrial type classes available, but like I stated earlier itt, I'm a technician by heart and trade.
I really just fix and maintain things. Currently in IT. Really, if anything, I just need to get the hell out of the academic system. It's driving me mad. The whole university system and the way it's designed and implemented, with bullshit classes being required for my degree and all this shit, is the primary driver of my desire to get the hell out and pursue a trade.
>>76165341
Germany needs more Turkish electricians. I'm writing Merkel.
>>76165631
Damn. I'm in the same position. I got fucked over with athletic scholarships this term and it will be my last one. The biggest thing in my area is being a tower technician.
>>76165895
I think this semester may be my last as well. This will be my fifth one. I plan on taking a few more of the courses actually relevant to my field of study and that I actually want to take/study, but in the meantime find a more profitable venture (though I guess I shouldn't say profitable, more like fulfilling).
Honestly who knows at this point. Only time will tell what happens to either of us. Maybe both you and I find what we're looking for this year.
>>76165631
Not to trigger you or anything but I've got the nepotism to get my way into the elevator technician industry, my friends father is in it and I'm sure he'd help me out if I asked.
Where do you live? I'm in the Chicago area.
>>76166212
Lucky lad. Unfortunately I live in Southern NM, quite a ways away from Chicago, and I don't quite have the resources to just up and leave to a brand new city, much less state out of the blue.
>>76160192
That makes no sense. Why would you not "earn more money" by not doing back-breaking labour, and allowing yourself to have more time for other pursuits rather than having to worry about lost income incase of injury, uncertainty of labour markets, and simply having nothing else besides work because it is so physical that you simply cannot do anything but recover from work when not working?
What does is your person who is fit for future forms of society doing right now? You offer no alternative.
>>76165741
you wanna see turks working you need to look for people cleaning something.
its astonishing how turk-free industry and construction is.
