Redpill me on Waco. What really happened during the siege and who was at fault?
>>76033920
Fucking Kevin sperged out and almost got everyone killed.
Prayer circles.
Some thicc woman they trusted babied them on the phone.
Eventually they stood down.
The ATF refused every one of Koresh's offers to search the premises then set the compound on fire.
>>76034014
I wanted Kevin to be a hero. He was sperging hard.
I was waiting for his last gunshot.
Korresh got some loli pussy didn't he?
They died over a rumor that they were drilling holes for sear pins in a bunch of ar15 stripped lowers.
>>76033920
Glorious FBI/ATF was rosting heretics and cultists.
>>76034061
this. It's pretty well known.
The sheriff came and went from the "compound" all the time and had a list of all the weapons and so on, which were all legally owned.
There probably was some nasty stuff going on there, with child abuse and incest and so on. Nothing that would warrant torching the place.
>>76034014
that was oregon homey
>>76034245
>There probably was some nasty stuff going on there, with child abuse and incest
>>76033920
>who was at fault?
The FBI and ATF, fucking Fed pig bastards.
>>76034201
That was made up afterwards as part of the campaign to justify murdering them.
>>76033920
Allegations of child-fucking in this weird semi-cult of gun nuts.
FBI tries to raid it. Gets BTFO. Standoff ensues for weeks.
Final push, tanks armed with tear gas hoses. Gas "somehow ignites" and tanks don't stop pumping. Tanks spew fire and death onto the house. 70 people die.
Survivors swear no kiddie fucking. Nothing left to prove either way. FBI fucked up royally.
Gun nuts get outraged. Fast forward: Oklahoma City.
The ATF needed to repair it's image following Ruby Ridge so they decided to burn down the branch Davidian compound with everyone inside
>>76034224
I've done some googling and got an idea what the sear pin does, but why does that matter? Does it make the gun fully automatic?
>>76034441
>Gun nuts get outraged. Fast forward: Oklahoma City.
go on
>>76033920
The government testified that at one point they pumped tear gas into a part of the where they knew the children were. There reasoning being that the women's instincts would be to get the children to a safer location outside of the house. They killed all of the children with CS gas.
Bout sums up how fucked up their plan was
http://articles.latimes.com/1995-05-29/news/mn-7278_1_cs-gas
or you can do further research by googling "Janet+Reno+is+a+horrible+cunt"
Bush then did the 9/11 to stop the militia movement and start his neo-con wars.
>>76033920
The Feds claimed there were illegal weapons and drugs there of which there weren't and after being BTFO they burned the place to the ground to cover it up they claimed there was under age sex but as far as I know nothing below 13
>>76034231
Well... You're not wrong.
>>76033920
Bill Hicks shows footage on this local tv show of the tank using its flamethrower towards the inside of the compound, through the window. I've never seen this footage shown anywhere else, not even documentaries about the event. Probably retconned out of history by the kike overlords.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZkO779Vgjg
>>76034551
Waco was seen by the quasi white supremacist gun-nuts as a direct assault on their sovereignty as citizens. This snowballed into an earlier attempted bombing of that particular building by a tax withholder, which failed.
The Fed then decides to execute that fat fuckup wannabe freedom fighter on the so-called "Patriots Day" that those gun-nuts are so crazy about. So as a response, tim mcveigh and his butt buddies build a big fertilizer bomb and finish the job just in time for the original bomber's execution.
That's the story the FBI pitched.
>>76034551
McVeigh strikes back and the government can't handle someone challenging its monopoly on violence. Calls him a terrorist for a little collateral damage that pales in comparison to the scale of death they would cause over the next 20 years.
>>76034441
>Oklahoma City.
Was this a necessary evil?
>>76034880
>>76034967
McVeigh intentionally killed children.
We can argue the symbolism and whatnot, but motherfucker intentionally targeted children. In all likelihood due to delusions of being personally at war with a federal government. Dude was probably mentally ill. If he and terry nichols and their gang of jihadists wanted to send a proper message they shouldn't have picked such a soft target.
That attack, more than anything else, killed the so-called patriot movement.
>>76034804
At what time should I start watching?
>>76035221
>intentionally targeted children.
It was a fucking federal building, not a school.
>>76035554
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1vk_-Vuf2rY
>>76035670
It was a federal building of mostly IRS employees (women) with a daycare directly in front of where the bomb detonated.
We know from his own mouth that he targeted that part of the building, at that exact time, for this exact reason.
He claimed that he wanted to kill children, just as the children at Waco were killed.
tim wasn't a hero, he was a troubled man who read the turner diaries obsessively.
>>76035221
McVeigh claimed he didn't know there were children in the government building, shill.
>>76036017
>IRS
>By the 1990s, the building contained regional offices for theSocial Security Administration, theUnited States Secret Service, theDrug Enforcement Administration(D.E.A.), and theBureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms(ATF). The building also contained recruiting offices for both theArmyand theMarine Corps. It housed approximately 550 employees.[4]The building also housed a children's day care center.
>>76034441
>Gas "somehow ignites"
The compound had to resort to kerosene heat after the ATF shut down the power to the facility. The tear gas canisters they were using had a small incendiary that would activate the release of the gas. You know the rest.
>>76036038
Seems I got it twisted, the FBI says he did it intentionally, he claims ignorance. Which says a lot for a guy who owned every other facet of the attack.
webcitation.org/5woyrpnH6
>>76036206
Gasp! I had it so firmly in my mind it was an IRS building. Why else would that fat fuck target it originally? I concede!
OP you should listen to William Cooper discussing what happened, in the background or something.
>>76036548
with Godspeed You Black Emperor playing
Related, pretty good summary. Nr . 6
https://archive.org/details/DrWilliamPierceAudioArchive308RadioBroadcasts
>>76033920
Redpill me on Ruby Ridge.
So... Just a thought. Is there anyway we can pin Hilary to this in order to wreck her campaign?
>>76036526
ATF i presume was the main target, common factor in ruby widge and waco.
>>76034014
>Some thicc woman
???
>>76036729
Jap FBI sniper killed people
Remember Unabomber? That was a good one.
We're overdue for someone like that in our era.
>>76036809
I hear she had her secretary and an intern deliberately hide evidence about Waco.
>>76037027
he's still sittin in a cage in colorado. crazy to think about. he'd probably lose his shit if he saw a smartphone.
>>76036729
Clinton's FBI entraped Randy Weaver into buying a sawed off shotgun in violation of the NFA. Randy missed a court date related to the charges that followed, so the FBI went to his home and killed his wife, children, and the family dog. Randy was acquitted of the gun charge because of the entrapment. The reason the Clintons did this was to make an example of white nationalists/militia types to show they will not be fucked around with. It had the reverse effect.
>>76037027
the government slowed down on the whole "lets firebomb innocent families" thing after the oklahoma bombing. haven't heard of any new MKULTRA programs yet.
could exist htough
>>76036729
>ATF wants Randy Weaver to be Aryan nation informant
>He says no
>charged with some dumb shit about selling a shotgun with too short of a barrel to ATF agent
>Courts are shitty and change dates without notifying so he doesn't go
>Marshals brought in to arrest him
>Marshals kill his son
>Marshal is killed also
>standoff time
>FBI sniper kills his wife holding a baby
>Charges dropped
>>76033920
>Waco
.
the 90s are over
.
dude
>>76037073
He corresponds with at least some people, so maybe he's allowed to have a TV etc
Mount Carmel was culturally enriched.
Died February 28, 1993
Winston Blake, 28, black, British
Peter Gent, 24, white, Australian
Peter Hipsman, 28, white, American
Perry Jones, 64, white, American
Michael Schroeder, 29, white, American
Jaydean Wendell, 34, Hawaiian, American
Died April 19, 1993
Katherine Andrade, 24, white, American
Chanel Andrade, 1, white, American
Jennifer Andrade, 19, white, American
George Bennett, 35, black, British
Susan Benta, 31, black, British
Mary Jean Borst, 49, white, American
Pablo Cohen, 38, white, Israeli
Abedowalo Davies, 30, black, British
Shari Doyle, 18, white, American
Beverly Elliot, 30, black, British
Yvette Fagan, 32, black, British
Doris Fagan, 51, black, British
Lisa Marie Farris, 24, white, American
Raymond Friesen, 76, white, Canadian
Sandra Hardial, 27, black, British
Zilla Henry, 55, black, British
Vanessa Henry, 19, black, British
Phillip Henry, 22, black, British
Paulina Henry, 24, black, British
Stephen Henry, 26, black, British
Diana Henry, 28, black, British
Novellette Hipsman, 36, black, Canadian
Floyd Houtman, 61, black, American
Sherri Jewell, 43, Asian, American
David M. Jones, 38, white, American
David Koresh, 33, white, American
Rachel Koresh, 24, white, American
Cyrus Koresh, 8, white, American
Star Koresh, 6, white, American
Bobbie Lane Koresh, 2, white, American
Jeffery Little, 32, white, American
Nicole Gent Little, 24, white, Australian
and unborn child
>>76037302
Men in Black came out 17 years ago...
>>76037375
Dayland Gent, 3, white, American
Page Gent, 1, white, American
Livingston Malcolm, 26, black, British
Diane Martin, 41, black, British
Wayne Martin, Sr., 42, black, American
Lisa Martin, 13, black, American
Sheila Martin, Jr., 15, black, American
Anita Martin, 18, black, American
Wayne Martin, Jr., 20, black, American
Julliete Martinez, 30, Mexican American
Crystal Martinez, 3, Mexican American
Isaiah Martinez, 4, Mexican American
Joseph Martinez, 8, Mexican American
Abigail Martinez, 11, Mexican American
Audrey Martinez, 13, Mexican American
John-Mark McBean, 27, black, British
Bernadette Monbelly, 31, black, British
Rosemary Morrison, 29, black, British
Melissa Morrison, 6, black, British
Sonia Murray, 29, black, American
Theresa Nobrega, 48, black, British
James Riddle, 32, white, American
Rebecca Saipaia, 24, Asian, Phillipino
Steve Schneider, 43, white, American
Judy Schneider, 41, white, American
Mayanah Schneider, 2, white, American
Clifford Sellors, 33, white, British
Scott Kojiro Sonobe, 35, Asian, American
Floracita Sonobe, 34, Asian, Phillipino
Gregory Summers, 28, white, American
Aisha Gyrfas Summers, 17, white, Australian
and unborn child
Startle Summers, 1, white, American
Lorraine Sylvia, 40, white, American
Rachel Sylvia, 12, white, American
Hollywood Sylvia, 1, white, American
Michelle Jones Thibodeau, 18, white, American
Serenity Jones, 4, white, American
Chica Jones, 2, white, American
Little One Jones, 2, white, American
Neal Vaega, 38, Somoan, New Zealander
Margarida Vaega, 47, Asian, New Zealander
Mark H. Wendell, 40, Asian, American
>>76037335
Someone, somewhere... Regularly opens mail... from the fucking Unabomber.
>>76037055
Hide? Or destroy? One poses potential...
>>76033920
ATF shot first at the raid, FBI knew they would be held culpable and decided to torch the place in hopes all the evidence would be destroyed. Mc Veigh saw through it and took revenge at Oklahoma City.
The ARA was the most insane thing to come out of the 90's Militias.
Led by a tarp and a drunk dude who just wanted to eat burg, drink beer and watch late night tv.
They wreaked fucking havoc through the banks and trolled the living shit out of the government.
>>76037073
He knows about Facebook and shit. His assessment of social media and the internet in general is pretty much spot despite him never having seen or used it himself.
>>76037844
His primary motivation was the AWB. His justification was the inferno at Mount Carmel. He self radicalized during Operation Desert Storm when he felt that the US Government was a bully. He was deeply changed by the amount of carnage he witnessed and his own killing of Iraqis as a Bradley gunner.
>>76034245
You mean those total baseless rumors spread by the atf after they murdered a shit ton of innocent women and children?
>>76034444
Actually pretty much this. No witnesses so they were in the clear. Until they started taking pictures and posing with burnt corpses like trophies
>>76034245
>>76034336
There are similar issues with FLDS communities. One thing that changed dramatically after both OKCBOM and Mount Carmel was the US Government doesn't just run in popping off rounds in standoffs.
