>A new study confirms classroom racism is alive and well. When researchers asked teachers to rank the likelihood their students would graduate, white teachers were 12% more likely than other teachers to say their black students wouldn’t finish high school. Minority teachers who evaluated the same black students had much higher rankings. But white teachers showed prejudices against black boys in particular, estimating their potential at 5% below that of black females. Racism in the classroom is dangerous and unacceptable. Experts say that biases like these affect how students perceive themselves, and could ultimately cause higher dropout rates for black students.
>They found that for Black students, particularly Black boys, having a non-Black teacher in a 10th grade subject made them much less likely to pursue that subject by enrolling in similar classes. Translation: If a white chemistry teacher makes a Black student feel inferior about science, that same student may not want to continue on in that field. This is especially problematic given that the lack of Black students in STEM and other sciences.
http://www.americanews.com/video/social/2016/04/05/new-study-confirms-classroom-racism
http://hellobeautiful.com/2016/03/31/study-white-teachers-racial-bias/
>Another co-author, Dr Seth Gershenson from the American University, expressed concern over how the study’s findings may not be limited to the education system, but, in fact, may have infiltrated the workplace - and beyond.
>He said: “While the evidence of systematic racial bias in teachers’ expectations uncovered in the current study are certainly troubling and provocative, they also raise a host of related, policy-relevant questions that our research team plans to address in the near future.”
>Dr Gershenson confirmed that another study is currently underway, this time into the impact of biased expectations on students’ long-run outcomes such as educational attainment, labour market success, and interaction with the criminal justice system.
http://www.independent.co.uk/student/news/white-teachers-are-significantly-more-likely-to-doubt-the-ability-of-black-students-study-finds-a6962981.html
>make a simple logical statement based on overwhelming irrefutable evidence
>RACYS!!!!!!
i love it how they had to use the word "problematic", it's like they are all getting brainwashed by the same kike manual
nigger tongue my anus
>>70220453
they basically justify blacks not succeeding academically and in the work place due to
- Lower IQ
- Bad culture
- Communities with no fathers and sense of family
with "muh institutionalised racism"
they honestly believe if there was no "institutionalised racism" the average black would be a copy of neil degrasse tyson
so deluded, they are shooting themselves in the food though, because by not addressing their problems for every niglet that gets into college with affirmative action, 25 more go to jail.
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>>70220453
>>70220389
So, according to this study, the correct course of action is to separate students by race, allowing only whites to teach whites and blacks to teach blacks?
>>70220389
But were the white teacher's estimates closer or farther from the minority teacher estimates?
>>70220389
>Blacks aren't intelligent
>Must be racism
>Same excuse for decades
>Not working
>Invent New Type of Racism
>Avoid the obvious conclusion
>Repeat
>>70220734
C'MON JUST SEGREGATE ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>70220389
This issue could be fixed with apartheid, you know
>>70220389
>problematic
>>70220389
So segregation was a good thing then?
>>70220389
My school made me take a Title IX online course for like an hour.
I really don't see a need to have to understand that law.
>>70220788
>ignore overwhelming deterministic evidence about the reality of races
>think that if you repeat the same "racism" mantra over and over something will change
>nothing changes for decades, it actually gets worse
ITS PROGRESS
>White teachers admitting that black students are much less likely to succeed is WHY black students are much less likely to succeed
>>70220847
I think it would be better if we could end criminal culture among blacks but there is just so many enablers it seems impossible.
>>70220389
>be asked to assess your students' abilities
>give assessment
>racist
Now let's do it backwards
>have a class with mufucka whitey cracka
>hate his guts, fail the class
>his fault
>not racist
>>70221056
the funny thing is that americans and SJWs will tell you that there is no criminal culture, and that criminality is a consequence of institutionalised racism
'Experts say…'
Experts can say all sorts of things, I suppose.
>>70220724
unfortunately their train of logic will instead be to re educate the whites to be more like minorities and teach in that way desu
>>70220946
>Claim that we're all inherently the same
>Deny thousands of years of evidence
>Black people ironically denied real help cuz we're all one race - human race argument
WE'RE LIVING MLK'S DREAM!
I fucking hate this gay world
>>70220389
Marxists like to flip cause and effect.
Teachers are overwhelmingly women.
White women are racist.
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.PRM.TCHR.FE.ZS/countries?display=map
>>70220771
This is a serious academic study. Stop trying to confuse the issue with facts.
>>70221130
This. And with that they are avoiding how to stop crime. Well their solution as aforementioned is banning guns and letting them into colleges.
But now they just made colleges more dangerous. :^)
>>70221194
>deny that there are differences between whites and blacks because afraid of racism
>think that by saying people are born a blank slate you will end racism
>actually hinder the progress of humanity by denying reality
>instead of deciding to accept that there are inherent differences, and acting accordingly (you can still give less smart people the same rights and combat racism), you keep pretending that everything that's wrong with the less intelligence race is due to the smarter race
>cycle repeats
>nothing gets solved
>things get only worse
>this is the liberal's master plan
Research shows that white people are more afraid of coming across a black man on a dark street than a white man. This racial bias may actually be what causes blacks to commit murder at a higher rate than white people.
Why are liberals trying to demonize pattern recognition?
>>70220389
>Blacks are fucking useless 9/10 times that's why they're ranked lower
>10/10
There are also studies showing that black students do better with white teachers.
>>70221056
Just let people live and develop separately. It creates a stronger sense of responsability and willingness to improve
>>70221309
yeah, there's also a bit of Gaslighting involved. making the hardest-working teachers, those trapped in black schools, at fault for the black student's poor academic performance
>>70221512
They hate people with freewill.
The Ministry of Truth will think for us.
>>70221510
even black people are more afraid of coming across a black man on a dark street than a white man.
watch this BASED black man tell it how it is.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3RtUvD1p5U
absolute madman
>>70220389
>When researchers asked teachers to rank the likelihood their students would graduate, white teachers were 12% more likely than other teachers to say their black students wouldn’t finish high school.
That's a fucking retarded comparison. They need to compare it to the actual graduation rate. Maybe the black teachers are too forgiving of their tribesmen. Maybe it's a combination of the two. Scientists are becoming as bad as journalists, fuck.
>>70220585
Ohai, 2008.
>>70220629
>shooting themselves in the food
holyshit, Jamal.
>>70221500
Eventually, there will come a time when they won't be able to play their "cards" anymore.
They're actually heading for a position that is going to cause them to have to admit full stop that black people are not succeeding unless they're helped and given favor in every walk of life.
That type of "favor" wouldn't be necessary if they simply just conducted a study that focused on:
1) What is the best environment for black people to learn in
2) What is the best way to teach black people complex subjects
3) What prevents black people from taking a sincere compassionate interest in science, math, etc.
The Liberals are going to be the ones to blame and they're going to be the ones who have to admit all of this sooner or later.
For black people to get sincere help their Liberal handlers must stop treating them like childlike pets.
It is a classic finding in social psychology that teacher expectations can cause black students to do poorly.
>>70221756
academia is fucked. leftists have infiltrated it, and if you don't have a leftist agenda you are shun away from the rest of the academic world.
science is unbiased, and sometimes its conclusion don't line with leftist rhetoric.
instead of doing their fucking job, leftist scientist lobby whoever doesnt agree with their rhetoric out of academia lika a good fucking communist would.
>>70221858
They've already gotten to that point. Their solution has been to simply deny that race exists. That's the purpose of the whole "race is a social construct" lie. You can't say the races are different if race doesn't exist. Ta-da! Problem solved, once again by a Jew.
>>70221751
Also this Uncle Tom:
>There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved - Jesse Jackson
Black teachers should teach black children, and white teachers should teach white children.
#segregationwasbetter
>>70220389
Why are these studies always behind pay wall. I need the methodology.
Reminder the whole "if your teacher thinks you're bad it causes you to be bad" idea is busted, but people will repeat it forever anyways.
>>70220389
So black students don't want to pursue subjects taught by white people? This isn't racist?
>>70222059
tl;dr?
>>70222178
Whites hate blacks because they are racist.
Blacks hate whites because whites are racist.
>>70221868
>Rosenthal
>>70222241
It's a nice read you lazy cunt, get to it.
>>70222178
you are getting it all wrong
the fact that hundreds of years ago blacks were enslaved by a very very small minority of the american population means that in the modern world, or 2016, where people who aren't guilty of oppressing blacks themselves have paid their dues and created programs to help them and spend their money on helping them, blacks are allowed to insult, offend, attack white people without being called a racist, and if a white disagrees with whatever made-up truth blacks and SJWs decide to establish, they are racists.
this is true progress.
>>70220389
>>70221500
>>70221858
You know, wouldn't admitting that it's a problem and true solve the problem in the first place by nuturing an environment where black people individually want to rise above the stereotype? Think about it. What if all the statistics and evidence just came crashing out full force. "Not as successful, all records indicate not as intelligence, all studies show that they're twice as likely to fail, etc, etc..." By admitting it without this retarded "racist victimization" culture the black community has a higher chance to band together to straighten their shit up by not wanting to be losers.
TL;DR THE FIRST STEP TO RECOVERY IS ACCEPTANCE.
>>70222241
Stereotypes are rooted in truth, and trying to ban stereotypes does more harm than good.
>>70222034
Why even bother, of something like 50 of the big accepted results in sociology, less than 5 of them gave the same results when the same experiment was repeated.
In psychology it was something like 20/50 at least.
>>70222332
Watching some blackman talking about niggers assaulting a homeless woman.
>>70220389
>blacks have provably lower IQs
So lefties reject science in this respect and will come up will all manner of pseudoscience and "societal and psychological" factors to not have to face the fact that they're on average mentally inferior. Human biodiversity is real. And instead of accepting it they blame white people.
Don't fall for the meme.
>>70222358
anybody with any grey matter left in their head would come to this conclusion, but apparently those logical and proven statements can just be dismissed as "problematic" and "short sighted" because the issue is "complex".
welcome to liberal dictatorship
>>70222358
Stop being racist, fucking shitlord.
All the work we've done to make blacks equal.
Here are the results.
>>70220389
>problematic
There's that fucking word again
>>70222372
Well that's a little too short. Another big part is that while stereotypes are true in a way, they're also harmless and we tend to dismiss them when we're actually dealing with an individual.
>>70222380
that blackman gives a bit of faith in blackmen. hes a good fella.
An education is a terrible thing to waste on a nigger.
>>70221985
Funny, Jews push the "There is no such thing as biological foundations of race." notion but then they love to exclaim that they are "genetically Jewish and can trace their roots back to the ancient Levant" (which is a lie, they can't, but the point is clear).
Good point. The denial race actually puts them in the position that they never ever have to admit failure. For if no race exists, no race is subject collective failure (or success, funny enough).
>>70221028
I know to some extent this concept is proven to be true that if children are expected to fail by authority figures ( Parente & Teachers) they are less likely to succeed. However to loom at this study and assume that this is the primary reason that these problems exist seems like an extremely far stretch. The prejudice people have is usually developed by experience and not just totally arbitrary and racist like they are suggesting.
>Translation: If a white chemistry teacher makes a Black student feel inferior about science, that same student may not want to continue on in that field.
Pretty sure if a teacher does that to anyone the student will feel that way.
>>70222376
In psychology only like 1.7% of the total amount of studies are confirmation attemps of past studies it's laughable.
But regardless, these study should give us some sort of information right? So at least knowing the methodology shows us what they actually mean through out this attempt.
>>70222280
kek your flag is a down syndrome ribbon :^)
>>70222530
denying races is denying science. race is real. i don't even know how we got to this point where you can deny science because of "muh feelz" and be praised for it, and shunned if you formulate thoughts based on evidence. we are literally going back to the middle ages.
>>70220389
>They found that for Black students, particularly Black boys, having a non-Black teacher in a 10th grade subject made them much less likely to pursue that subject by enrolling in similar classes. Translation: If a white chemistry teacher makes a Black student feel inferior about science, that same student may not want to continue on in that field. This is especially problematic given that the lack of Black students in STEM and other sciences.
So what they're saying is that classes should be segregated.
Read this: http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-298.html
>>70221926
>science is unbiased, and sometimes its conclusion don't line with leftist rhetoric.
Unfortunately, it can be biased sometimes. I wish I could find the quote but there are some good insight on it from other researchers. Sometimes people will skew research for politically motivated research, though a lot of research is generally unbiased.
Also just because they are unbiased doesn't mean they aren't unethical. Some DNA research is extremely dangerous.
>>70222653
what they are saying is that the overprivileged white teachers should check their privilege and apologize for slavery while perhaps giving some money fo mo programz.
>>70220724
We've come full circle. I think the campus side of BLM was calling for segregated housing a while back.
>>70222642
Yeah, we are. That's why I'm spending some of my time studying the Enlightenment to figure out how we can turn this around. We pulled ourselves out of darkness before. We can do it again.
>>70222597
> this concept is proven to be true that if children are expected to fail by authority figures ( Parente & Teachers) they are less likely to succeed
No it's not. There is no data to support this. The studies supposedly showing this are not replicable.
>>70220389
>make a logical statements backed with sources
>racism REEEEEEEEEEE
>>70222034
>Why are these studies always behind pay wall.
>close-up-rubbing-hands.jpg
>>70220389
Marking a black students report harder than a white students report is racist.
Using statistical knowledge to make a prediction on who will graduate is NOT racist. How incompetent are you?
>>70222668
its unbiased in its purest form, but bias is often present, what matters is the degree of bias.
DNA research could be dangerous.
the fallacy is thinking that admitting difference between races is unethical.
what would be unethical would be making legislation or justifying discrimination against races on the basis of scientific findings, but simply point out the difference in races and tackling our differences for the betterment of society is not unethical.
what's unethical is straight out lying and ignoring science because of dah feelz.
>>70222597
>I know to some extent this concept is proven to be true that if children are expected to fail by authority figures ( Parente & Teachers) they are less likely to succeed.
If children are expected to fail it's probably for a reason. Their perception does not cause the reality.
>>70221500
>think that by saying people are born a blank slate you will end racism
>#alllivesmatter
>DAS RASAST!
Even the people preaching that we are all the same know that we are not the same.
>>70220389
I have a high school nearby, and the "kids" are bused to it. I would hazard a guess that a lot of black kids will not only fail to graduate, but will end up in prison. They are still going to school, so somebody disagrees. Some should literally should be in juvie detention center instead of the schools. I think not enough is done to separate clearly violent niglets from the others.
The PC idiots grasp at every straw except the obvious one: negroids cannot function in modern civilization because they have a low average IQ.
>>70220389
yeah good
>>70221028
Is it actually hard for you to grasp why your authfority figure who grades your work pre-deciding that you're a failure might make it harder to succeed?
>>70222885
if they knew we were all the same they wouldn't put so much effort into cluelessly denying evidence over and over with literally no valid arguments other than "if you don't agree with me you literally want all minorities to be exterminated"
Is everything racist these days?
>>70220389
>use biological facts
> become da wacist
>>70222859
It is unethical to make legislation prohibiting discrimination if there is at least a possibility that the races are in fact different.
>>70222859
Oh I'm not saying that is unethical.
I was referring to creating chimeras and destroying the human body. I don't care about it implying racial inferiority if it were true, though in principal it shouldn't change the law.
>>70222920
Except very, very rarely they're pre-deciding anything. They see your results and then make a prediction going from that.
If your past results are not up to par, it's not racist to think your future results probably won't be that good either - and this prediction is also not a self-fulfilling prophecy.
santa loves you
>>70220806
>evidence
Based
>>70223011
depends what you mean by discrimination.
but yes you make a good point.
the fact of the matter is that recognizing differences in races doesn't automatically justify some types of discrimination.
we are basically denying reality and not making any real effort to fix things for fear of racism.
>>70220389
So what you are saying is that White teachers have a better ability to predict which students will graduate than Black teachers. Once again showing a racial bias but now among teachers.
>>70220389
THEN LETS FUCKING BRING BACK SEGREGATION ALREADY JESUS FUCKING CHRIST ARE YOU PEOPLE EVER HAPPY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2sUW8q7uWI
leftists
BTFO
T
F
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Warning: Watching this video while leftist might cause sudden brain aneurysms or severe PTSD. Check with your local Gender Studies professor before watching.
>>70222485
Why do Asians consistently improve? I need their secrets.
>>70221756
Sociologists don't seem to have heard of "correlation does not imply causation".
>>70220389
What is the effect on white kids of having a half dozen rowdy jigaboos cutting up in the back of class every day? Does that make it harder for the white kids to learn?
>>70220389
Are they saying that we should go back to segregation? What the fuck?
>>70223356
- High IQ
- Fathers arent degenerate monkeys that run at the first sight of responsibility
- Strong family and community values
- Intolerance for failure
>>70222920
Someone who grades your fucking work isn't "pre-deciding" anything, they've got evidence of your abilities and drive right in front of their face.
>he thinks blacks even go to class in the first place
Once niggers hit puberty and evolve into Primeape, they show up at least three hours late every day and partake in a combination of the following five activities
>lunch
>gym class
>wander the halls while clapping, rapping, yelling and harassing any passing white students
>smoke weed in the bathroom
>sneak into 'dey niggas' gym class until the teacher notices and kicks them out
>>70223397
No, those young, upstanding youth of color are just expressing themselves in protest to their white oppressors.
You should really check your privilege anon.
>>70222642
The issue is that while we are not different species, we are inherently distinct.
Golden Retrievers and English Bulldogs are both "dogs", but they are inherently distinct.
It's a slick intellectual game. They prey on people's ignorance.
>>70223482
no, you are wrong. Ms. Smithers didn't give Jamal an F because Jamal didn't study, and failed to get the math problems right, it's because the teacher is a privileged shitlord that decided to give him an F before even reading the paper.
>>70220585
>nigger tongue my anus
>mfw some hot black chick will never spread my cheeks and suck my asshole while jerking me off
That phrase always triggered me.
>>70222642
They concede that Evolution is backed by evidence and fact. The body was subject to evolution, but the brain? NOPE, NOPE,NOPE. ALL SAME. ALL SAME. ONE RACE HUMAN RACE.
>>70223390
TWhen it comes to sociology, correlation does equal causation. And I don't say this to belittle the field (even though it would deserve this), but because this is how it is always been. It's a field where you can only observe. It cannot factually determine a cause like other sciences because we don't enough about how the human mind specifically works in the instance in question.
So Sociology looks at various relations between different observed groups and tries to find the most prevalent correlation among those.
>>70223747
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2sUW8q7uWI
honestly, this is the ultimate red pill, even for normies.
>>70223799
>AustralianRealist Youtube channel
Glorious, Anon. His channel is superb. Never seen this video, though. Will watch and then comment back.
>>70223923
Steven Pinker is one of the most based men alive. Read his books too if you find the time.
>>70220389
>When researchers asked teachers to rank the likelihood their students would graduate, white teachers were 12% more likely than other teachers to say their black students wouldn’t finish high school. Minority teachers who evaluated the same black students had much higher rankings
Shouldn't they compare which of the teachers were more accurate? Being more pessimistic doesn't make you wrong or right. You should compare their predictions with reality.
And you should compare graduation rates of black students under white and minority teachers to see if there is indeed a problem with racism.
200 years of selective breeding, and they're still only ten IQ points above their African counterparts. Shocking.
>>70220389
Ever been in a classroom full of black kids? Theyre always the most disruptive kids in the room.
>>70223998
Holy hell. I can't believe I wasn't awared of this man.
I have hours and hours of biological race evidence but not one of this fellow Steven's videos.
How popular is this man? Has he been demonized by the Left yet?
Gonna Google his works right naow.
>>70222013
You should have just used #BlackLivesMatter.
They mean pretty much the same thing at this point, but it's whites that are trying to keep it from turning into full segregation again.
Let the nigs grow up with nigs. Best non-racist population control for them is to simply let them shoot each other and then give the shooters the death penalty.
>>70224161
he is very popular. the left has tried to demonize him but with little success. he is very, very well spoken, level headed, and his conclusion are based on hard, undeniable evidence.
watch and read his material. he is one of the smartest people i've ever had the pleasure to learn from.
>>70222859
A lot of scientists will abandon their research and refuse to publish if it doesn't fit their biases.
>>70220389
so they are saying that niggers never should have been integrated into white society, had they stayed in their nigger places, they would be more interested in school.
back to africa then
>>70224117
welfare subsidizes black procreation and places not obligation on black women in choosing a father; they overwhelmingly choose thugs because that's what they find sexy.
the only surprising thing is american blacks haven't fully morphed back into apes yet.
>>70220724
Guys... what if we started pushing for this?
Like, seriously - convince the BLM types to start pushing for racially segregated "safe spaces" where black students can be taught by black teachers free from "institutional racism"?
... could we con the BLM into advocating for the reestablishment of segregation?
>>70224347
i later corrected myself saying that often bias is present, what matters is the degree of bias
>>70224347
Nah, they'll just go full doublethink and disregard their own results.
Just today I heard on the radio a study has found that 50% of syrians that have lived in Germany for years oppose unlimited acceptance of refugees, yet the scientists were keen to mention that still "generally the majority of immigrants are very tolerant and accepting".
>>70224278
It's always great to see someone who is simply concerned with science. They're people who use science to try and deny race and who use it to try and push the "superiority" narrative (which damages the scientific bases of race).
He really is an eloquent speaker and just straight to the point. Perfect. This will be the man I link people to when it comes to this issue.
I don't understand how I'd never heard of him. His hair is super based, also. It's always funny when the Left tries to demonize someone like Steven. It's practically impossible to demonize a man like Steven so I assume they just play their trump card: WHITE RACIST!
>>70223079
I don't think he's saying that it's unfounded or that it's entirely the fault of the teachers.
Acknowledging that teachers who have low opinions of a student might affect their relationship and self-esteem doesn't mean conceding that this dynamic is the sole cause of black people's poor performance.
I'd guess that a lot of the white teachers who were part of this study actually do go out of their way to help and encourage the black students.
Being 12% more likely to doubt they will graduate may indicate heartfelt concern but the assumption is that it's because they hold negative opinions of black students based on race alone.
12% seems like a pretty negligible percentage anyway considering that racism is supposed to be a major factor in their poor performance.
>>70224792
he is one of the most respected linguists in the world too, explains his eloquence a lot. it's rally a pleasure listening to him
>>70223356
Intact family and a culture that rewards had work and dicipline. Literally the opposite of black culture.
>>70222597
>The prejudice people have is usually developed by experience and not just totally arbitrary and racist like they are suggesting.
Not in the case of feminists. Most have never been raped but all of them have a friend who's claimed they have.
>>70222485
>All the work we've done to make blacks equal.
yeah, all that work we did tearing apart black families by locking up black men for nonviolent drug offenses, and this is all we have to show for it
>>70224893
>Acknowledging that teachers who have low opinions of a student might affect their relationship and self-esteem doesn't mean conceding that this dynamic is the sole cause of black people's poor performance.
Except there have been studies on that very subject and it turns out teacher expectations have virtually no impact on student results.
When a weak student exceeds expectations, the teacher doesn't go "Man fuck that guy, not like helping a struggling student would look good on me, imma grade this bitch down".
>>70225010
So, your reasoning is that the black family was destroyed because of non-violent drug offenses arrests and nothing else?
>>70225331
>and nothing else?
Of course not. What I'm saying is that it is a major factor, and it most certainly is.
>>70225425
To call that "major" would be to undermine all of the other factors. I completely understand your point, though. Any factor could rightfully so, be considered major, when dealing with humans and the reality humans face.
>>70220495
Its actually a 'technical' term in sociology, which is the most Jewed of the social ""sciences"". So yeah, brainwashed by the same kike manual indeed.
Can I ask a quick question? Has anyone read this study or found a link to the paper itself? I ask because I'm wondering if this shitty website took research data and gave it their spin by labeling it racism. Is the study actually called racism still exists? Maybe this study is meant to show that there is a problem with blacks in schools and minority teachers refuse to recognize it. Also, I can't help but chuckle at the idea of a black teaching science...
>>70225612
Major as in a large portion of the problem. We've spent billions on the drug war when the only purpose it ever had was to keep down blacks and liberals.
>>70221393
White women are racist because they learned it from white men.
Also, I can't help but wonder if this study, was done based off surveys around Baltimore (being done by John Hopkins) and if so, no wonder they thought blacks wouldn't graduate. If you haven't seen it, you should watch season 4 of the Wire (which is essentially a documentary). It's heart wrenching. I feel so bad for those young black kids - thing is, it makes me hate blacks all the more because they are the ones torturing these poor young kids. Telling them school is "whack" and putting them on corners "slinging rock." In the Wire (again if you read up on it it's pretty much a documentary) the only person who tries to help these kids is a white teacher - spoiler alert - he fails.
Facts are racist
>>70220734
B-but the teachers are white! They were racists towards the black students so they dropped out. I know this for a fact and need no further evidence cause the teachers are white!
>>70221393
CANADA AND AUSTRALIA IS NUMBER ONE!
>>70226828
Americans dropping bombs again?
>>70222392
People here shit on Guns Germs and Steel, which I guess is fair, but I think its pretty insightful for the most part. Diamond's problem is that he is a leftist Jew racial egalitarian so he thinks that the environmental factors that he outlines are the ONLY reason why Euro's did so well. He ignores the fact that the environment also affected the evolution of IQ. His point is somewhat valid though, to an extent: The Americas and Australia were never going to have advanced civilizations, no matter the intelligence of the people who lived there, but its not like you could have put a bunch of niggers in Europe and ended up with an Industrial Revolution. Pure geographical determinism is just as retarded as pure genetic determinism.
>>70220389
>lack of nigger in stem ?
Why is that a problem ????????????
The most qualified should be there not random niggers just because you feel bad for them.
>>70222241
>social psychology is basically sociology propaganda attempt to explain individual behavior.
>Social scientists care more about leftist progressive ideology than truth
>distort, misinterpret data to fit their narrative.
>Most social psych is based on tenous and shaky research that often cannot be replicated.
>Serious researcher starts doing research on stereotypes
>Finds robust evidence indicating stereotypes are rooted in truth and that perception of society is not the main factor behind behavior.
>Replicates data, indicating evidence is valid
>Social Psych community ignore belittle, and keep citing flawed studies that have not been replicated.
>>70226828
>not posting the edit with the movie clip
Fuck I should have saved it
>10th grade chemistry
>had the kind of teacher everyone liked
>acted like a bro
>hung out with kids at lunch
>let us dick around after we finished our class room
>black students took advantage of this
>played football in class
>blasted rap music
>toppled desks
>bro teacher turned into a fascist after that
>no more fun allowed
I don't blame racist teachers. I can't imagine trying to teach "youths" at a public school.
>>70226618
Did we even watch the same show? There are a bunch of people that try to help the black students. Littlefinger wanted to, but the government was too shitty. Cutty started the boxing gym (with dirty money) to try and help. The one kid that actually makes it out of the ghetto got adopted by a black family. The show actually does a good job showing "institutional racism" for what it is, general corruption that has basically nothing to do with race.
>>70226256
hahahahaha
that is the dumbest shit i've ever read.
>>70220389
So we need to bring back segregation?
The belief in racial equality is like a religion or cult. It starts with certain core ideas that are accepted a priori without evidence, and then all other beliefs, ideas, data, experiences are bent, twisted, manipulated, interpreted, and fit to those first axiomatic ideas.
So the question becomes, how do you break apart this ossified ideological structure? The answer is the same as how you would break apart a religion or cult. The problem is that we don't yet know how to do that. There's something about the human mind that makes it impervious to evidence under certain circumstances.
But if you want your best shot at breaking up the racial equality religion, your best bet is to study deprogramming of cult members. The same processes are at work.
>>70226256
>>70227606
The main purpose of the drug war was to create favorable market conditions for the CIA drug smugglers so get the most funding possible to arm terrorists with.
>>70220389
>They found that for Black students, particularly Black boys, having a non-Black teacher in a 10th grade subject made them much less likely to pursue that subject by enrolling in similar classes. Translation: If a white chemistry teacher makes a Black student feel inferior about science, that same student may not want to continue on in that field.
Perfectly normal
>They found that for white families, having a non-white neighbour in a neighbourhood made them much less likely to stay in that neighbourhood. Translation: If a black neighbour makes a white resident feel inferior about safety, that same resident may not want to continue in that neighbourhood.
Haram
>>70223664
>mfw this has happened
>mfw she gave me a prostate massage
felt so fucking good. pity she didn't like the outdoors and was an alcoholic, might have been stuck with her
>>70228196
*might have stuck with her
>>70227350
They've been like this since after WWII, which is most of social sciences existence in Western universities. They basically just train people to be left wing activists, that they shouldn't worry about being unbiased, and that they should use their positions as sociologists to push an agenda. They actually say that the goal is to push an agenda rather than pursue truth - I'm not exaggerating, this is what they teach. Also, Marxism and critical theory, surprise surprise, are the two central theoretical lenses that they use. Oh yeah and most sociology undergrads are females, who then go into education and government. You can figure out what the impact of 70ish years of this process have been, and will be in the future.
>>70228430
Founders of social psychology: Kurt Lewin, Solomon Asch, Leon Festinger, Stanley Milgram, Erving Goffman, Stanley Schachter, Elliot Aronson.
Guess what.
>>70228129
That is far more palatable, creating black markets out of restriction is something that does happen. Considering the so called "drug war" happened after all that hippy shit died down, speaks to how greedy they got smuggling all the drugs in, they wanted more, end of story.
manufacturing this to be about poor niggers and liberals is stupidity incarnate.
>>70228863
Oyyy Lmao
>>70220389
black males have terrible attitudes, they treat school like a chore and don't do any work, show up high, blast music from their phones, talk and yell during class, walk around and disrupt other students during class, get into fights, deal drugs at school etc etc
its just common sense to assume these types aren't going to do well educationally
>>70220389
>facts and statistics are racist
>>70220389
Sounds like basic science to me. If black students fail at a much higher rate than white students, and the teacher observes this, then it's only natural for him to predict that black students are more likely to fail than white students.
The funny thing is that this fucking retard could have asked the same question about boys and girls. Boys tend to drop out at a higher rate than girls, so if he had asked the drop out rate between genders, the teacher would have answered that boys are more likely to drop out than girls. Using the same asinine logic that he used to judge the black/white students, this would mean that teachers are sexist towards boys.
Of course, that doesn't really fit their narrative.
>>70228863
>the faint sound of hands rubbing together
>emitting from a dark corner of the room
>the clink of metal baubles
>no, HOL UP
>smacks lips
>shekels.
>>70220453
EVERY TIME
/POL/ IS ALWAYS RIGHT
>>70220389
Or
>Avarage tandards applied to western (white) students are too high for other sub races (niggers) to meet
>>70220389
That is retarded. First you have to see the data for drop out rates and then for succeed in college. This is just looking at the data and then blaming the people that see the same data (or experience it) and then arrive to a logical conclusion.
Instead of attacking that conclusion they attack the people that arrive to that conclusion as racist, that is fucking bullshit.
>>70229121
Remember: they have to make the results fit with the premise that all races are equal and that we are all born as tabula rasa, blank slates, totally shaped by our environment. This means that any data that shows one group of people performing worse than another becomes an issue of 'social justice'
Theyre more likely to not finish hs though
>>70220389
HA!
/pol/ reactionaries and racists once again BLOWN THE FUCK OUT by actual scientists and smart people.
>>70229020
Yeah. Guess what else.
>Kurt Lewin is often recognized as the "founder of social psychology"
>Kurt Lewin often associated with the early Frankfurt School, originated by an influential group of largely Jewish Marxists at the Institute for Social Research in Germany
>Prominent psychologists mentored by Kurt Lewin included Leon Festinger
>Festinger’s student and research assistant at the time, Stanley Schacter
>Stanley Schachter left behind him a legacy of highly distinguished, influential psychology students, such as Bibb Latané, Richard Nisbett, Lee Ross, Jerome Singer, Stewart Valins, Patricia Pliner, Judith Rodin, and Ladd Wheeler.
That's a who's who of early social psychologists, all branching out from the Frankfurt School.
>>70220389
>having a non-Black teacher in a 10th grade subject made them much less likely to pursue that subject by enrolling in similar classes.
Sounds like anti-white racism by black students.
Why blacks so racist?
>>70220389
Or maybe the black students are racist--er, I mean prejudiced toward white teachers, and thus feel less motivated to work hard.
Or maybe the minority teachers are more sympathetic to their own kind and are not as aloof regarding their students as they should be.
There are too many reasonable explanations.
>>70220389
How do we know who is prejudice. For are we know black teacher are over estimating the odds out of hope.
Did they compare it to actual hard data.
>>70223356
My guess is that in the past, the Asians who moved to the US were fleeing oppressions and poverty, and were mostly average citizens. Given that Asians tend to do slightly better in math than whites, the early graph would be the average Asian vs the average white American.
However, over time, the US has started to import intelligent Asians who graduated at the top of their class or who attended particularly prestigious universities. I think it's a conscious effort to steal the best and brightest from China and India in order to weaken those countries, while strengthening the pool of American scientists and engineers.
While it may be good for the US as a country, it's bad for white people who have to compete with Asia's top graduates and their offspring.
>>70229594
That is retarded. They are taking how someone see a pattern as an observer and claiming that because you observe it you have an effect in it. That is retarded in a non quantum world.
Teachers having an opinion on the reality they see, so if that reality didn't match their opinions then you would be right, but no way this people completely prove that the teachers reality perception isn't close to the actual reality, that reality being that black students ARE more likely to drop out before finishing college.
You could discuss what are the reasons behind it but trying to argue that the teachers perceiving the reality and reaching to a logical conclusion isn't actually doing ANYONE a favor, even less the black students since even if the "perception" of this new "reality" is enforced on teachers that would NEVER affect reality and black students will still be more likely to drop out.
Also see how the teachers unconsciously put the black kid with a higher probability to drop out that black girls, that is because girls are also more likely to not drop out when compared to kids, but you don't read "studies" where they attack that perception of the teachers of reality as "problematic" or sexist.
>When researchers asked teachers to rank the likelihood their students would graduate, white teachers were 12% more likely than other teachers to say their black students wouldn’t finish high school.
And how does that compare to the actual graduation rate for those students?
Are the black teachers too lenient?
Are the white teachers too harsh?
Both?
The most important statistic - the one that detemines which, if any of these teachers are *right* about the students, is not mentioned.
That leads me to suspect that the white teachers are right, because if they were wrong, we would surely have been told, because no opportunity to denounce the evilness of whites can ever be passed up.
>>70229479
I'm aware. This simple point makes it close to impossible to discuss this topic with people in real life, because you can't bring up the one point that's the basis for your entire line of reasoning.
>>70228430
It really is sociologists pushing its way into other fields such as psychology. When I was in uni there huge infighting between social psych and bio, cognitive, and behavioral psych. The thing is social psych usually wins out because it makes moral judgements, which young women are eager to follow. Also, social psych usually removes responsibility from the individual and places it on society. This is beneficial because it is natural for people to want to blame their faults on some external factor (muh capitalist hegemony, muh patriarchy, muh white supremacy). I would not be surprised if the ideas of sociology will trickle down to other disiciplines (feminist physics, critical history, etc) probably under the guise of critical lense, feminist lense.
>>70225010
Notice there has been no change in black SAT scores, neither improvement nor deterioration. It seems to be uninfluenced by the drug war or by attempts to improve blacks. Such an unmovable characteristic suggests that it runs deep, possibly into genetic makeup.
>>70220389
I understand that leftist are causing this problem by refusing to believe that human outcome may be biologically determined, but can you really blame them for wanting to deny such a sad fact of reality?
It really is a frightening idea for normal ppl to accept that all the qualities that define a person were genetically determined(looks, height, intelligence, athleticism, and etc). And that they were determined thru no fault or merit of the individual.
That fear is what drives leftist to refuse, at all cost, the existence of racial differences. Because if they were to accept it than they would also have to accept that inequality is fixed no matter what any of us do. And honestly, imo, for that reason alone, the problem will never be addressed from a biological point of view, or even culture(even though culture is malleable) .
/pol/ is full of NEET, neckbeard losers so the posters here have no problem digesting the truth, but to normies who actually have a job and sex on the regular, It's just to nihilistic of a truth for society to handle even if comes at the cost of black ppl.
>>70230562
One of the most famous theories in social psychology is the fundamental attribution error.
>In social psychology, the fundamental attribution error, also known as the correspondence bias or attribution effect, is the tendency for people to place an undue emphasis on internal characteristics (personality) to explain someone else's behavior in a given situation rather than considering the situation's external factors.
I talked to a sociology student taking a social psych class once, and she said she didn't like social psych, because it put too much emphasis on the thoughts and feelings of the individual and how they influence behavior, whereas sociology put all the emphasis on society and the individual has no influence over his own behavior.
>>70225010
Leftist policies destroyed the black family unit, the drug war just put it into hyper gear, but don't get it twisted. That shit was falling apart since the introduction of the welfare state.
>>70230562
Nah some areas will never be invaded by those retards. Not in a million years. The areas where you can easily perform an experiment will never be invaded by this "muh feelings and ideals" kind of retards. They could overtake other soft science but hard science will always back them away specially those that are easily quantifiable like the difference in strength between male and females.
>>70220389
Solution:
Separate Blacks and White pupils/teachers.
Bring Apartheit back, white schools for whites and black schools for blacks!
>>70230914
This quote is from before the drug war.
>>70222241
>>70220389
>telling the truth is racist
>>70220389
>yea you know, jamal isn't doing very well I don't think he'll pass highschool
>RACISS
Blacks are the most racist people on earth.
>>70230932
Leftist academics may not be able to influence the hard sciences per se, but they can influence what the non-scientific public thinks about the hard sciences, by saying that the sciences are patriarchal, male-dominated, one-sided, white superior, etc., etc. These two books say academics are doing exactly that.
>>70220389
>Experiential knowledge and judgments made from observed occurrences = racism
next, the libtards will be saying police officers that arrest black people for committing crimes are perpetuating those crimes and if they had never arrested the nigs, then the crime never would have occurred.
>>70230886
True. And this is one of the fights in psych between social and cog psych because of the self serving bias concept in cog psych. It was my understanding that social psych is more about how society acts upon the individual, while sociology is more abould how society affect different groups. Both use the same lense through which they interpret th world. Social psych does talk more to thought and feeling but nowhere near as much as day cognitive, gestalt, or even psycho-dynamic.
>>70231603
Sociology literally has the motto 'personal problems are public problems' - everything is externalised.
>>70230932
Politics can and does influence what hard sciences study and how they report on this things. For instance in biology brain differences between males and females as well sexual dimorphism is avoided by professors because of shit they will catch from administration as well as from other departments which can affect their tenure/career.
>>70231450
Yeah but all that shit will do is to make deeper the problem with hard science students and graduates where every year there are less and less graduates in STEM degrees in the western world, which is why the US and Europe import engineers and STEM graduates from other countries.
That will only regrade society, since it is the STEM degrees that bring out all the useful technology advancements, if this retards take on Science and the scientific method they will only work in the destruction of their own society.
>>70220389
Checkout that confirmation bias. Did they ever consider that it's the black teachers that may have a racial bias and the white teachers have a more realistic outlook, especially given easily available data on graduation?
>>70231954
My point is that those truths can be "avoided" but can't be hidden. They will always be there for someone to tell the truth or see them for themselves if they have the sufficient training to perform an experiment and understand the results.
>>70231977
STEM departments already suck on the feminist choad when it comes to affirmative action etc. what do you think is going to happen when more women are forced into stem? They will find a way to make political the objective.
>>70220389
>cannot be measured in any kind of objective metric
>confirmed
>>70231090
I wonder if he would have killed himself if he was alive to see what those who picked up his cause did to his dream
>>70232329
My experience with women on STEM degrees (I am a civil engineer) has always been of women that were mostly beyond the feminist garbage rhetoric, after all you can't advance in the science world if you don't believe in the scientific method that is basically observe, make an hypothesis, make an experiment, test your hypothesis and draw conclusions of it and see if you can support it. I can't see how this could be corrupted by the "feminist" mentality of a majority of women. Also we have to see the fact that women that are drawn into science usually are the misfit of their gender so I don't see them as a threat not even in the long run. No matter how many "rainbows" or dumb down you make the mathematics, "social retards" (from both genders) will never overcome the math filter of this retards.
UBA is an argie university where in the social studies is FULL of feminist and leftist idiots but the Science and Engineer faculties you barely see those kind of ideals. In here the university has their own goverment body and while the social goverment body is far left the science and engineering goverment bodies are mostly center right.
>>70232431
There are many attempts to measure it, and they all show the same thing. No measure shows blacks as equal. I find it hard to ignore so much converging evidence.
>>70220389
clearly the solution is to hire teachers that are so out of touch with their students that they'll say they think they're all going to pass.
>>70220389
There is literally nothing wrong with being racist.
>>70230738
the thing is the problem has to be addressed eventually. this push for equality for equality's sake can only lead to the spreading of unfavorable genes and dumb policy. the end game of such will either cause a partial collapse of society as the average persons becomes worse and worse while making way for the natural order to resume, or people will finally accept reality for what it is and abandon the idea as a failure. there is no way to force equality and not damage society. it's all just a huge waste of time, money and lives.
