Holy shit you faggots grow up
The evidence against the Holocaust narrative is overwhelming
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1slx74zKQMc
Victim testimonies are thinly veiled propaganda filled with inaccuracies, lies, and contradictions
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80GgRWuXcO8
The infrastructure of the camps is unsuitable for the purpose of mass extermination
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruD4I4f5LkQ
>>75955126
The holocaust is a religion in the modern world. It's tied up in modern conceptions of good and evil.
It's like dawkins trying to disprove god by pointing out that the bible is factually false.... It's a waste of time.
>>75955126
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkqR0DCIJRM
>>75955126
I have to believe, its the law and i will be sent to camp if i question it.
>>75955126
All Jews from my grandparents village, including his family, were killed by an Einzengruppe while he was fighting on the Leningrad front. how do I know this? Well, they found their mass grave
>>75955126
sorry op i dont believe you, there is no evidence agaisnt the holocaust since all the vids you posted are blocked in my country
>>75955410
>sent to camp if i question it
>not wanting a free vacation with a new playstation
Err, I guess that's Norway, but it can't be worse
>>75955608
use this;
https://www.torproject.org/
>>75955707
cba desu, was just joking it obviously didnt happend
>>75955126
the holocaust is obviously real
way to commit social suicide and make yourself look like the autistic manchildren you are
nazi-cucks and nazi sympathizers are the ultimate dindu faggots
uh hello, america they were trying to fucking kill you as well, and you were definitely on their genocide list, after the jews, its was me, then you!
>>75955707
>>75955787
type t b h, it transforms into desu ? is this a plot of the jews ? desu desu desu
[COMMENT HIDDEN TO PROTECT VIEWERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EUROPEAN HATE SPEECH CENSORSHIP ACT]
>>75955850
it's called a wordfilter, newfriend.
it filters annoying dumb phrases such as "t . b . h" and replaces it with something slightly less annoying
Enjoying your stay?
>>75955126
/pol/ has gaslighted me so hard with this holocaust denial bullshit I don't know what's true anymore.
>>75955953
i'm here since 2010 and i never used t b h so yea this is news to me
>>75955126
>People here still believe in the Holocaust
No we don't.
>>75956005
>2010
how are you finding it so far newfag?
>>75955980
>gaslighted
Don't say gas goy.
>>75956106
pretty shit as allways
>>75955823
The nazis weren't trying to kill americans antagonistically. America invaded germany. They were just acting in self defence.
>>75956005
>been here since 2010
sure thing roody-poo candyass.
>>75956164
other things that are filtered:
desu
senpai
baka
"back to rebbit" (if you spell reddit correctly, and yes this one was the kikes)
>>75956320
errr. spamfiltered.
Was cuck filtered for a bit too? Yeah it used to say kek after the filter. I didn't notice it changed back but i've been seeing cuck a lot lately.
>>75956373
cuck becomes kek if you type it in all caps
KEK cuck
>>75955126
6 Gazillion Lampshades produced behinde wooden doored gas chambers
>>75956064
Introducing: meme history
Anyways yeah about the holotoast.
OP,
answer me this: why would they lie? I mean come on.
>>75956453
>(((flag)))
>>75956514
>(((You)))
>>75955126
Reported to the European commission of tolerance and diversity for inciting violence against protected species.
>>75956572
oh shit! bye OP
>>75955485
>therefore, millions of jew babies were tortured gassed and incinerated in mass murder factories.
>>75956469
because holohoax "survivors" get a check every month from Germany. The kikes even say that holohoax trauma is passed down through DNA so Germany will have to pay forever.
>>75955126
I agree with you but that Pepe is infuriating
>>75956469
>why would they lie? I mean come on
Exactly, it's not like they stand to benefit financially from books movies or outrageous reparation claims. Next thing you know people will accuse the poor rabbis of creating an entire guilt industry. Get with it people it's 2016 and there is literally nothing wrong with being jewish
>>75956572
>all these shit tabs combined with /mlp/
I know this is bait but I'm taking it anyway.
>>75955485
My grandfather died at Auschwitz in WWII as well, you see he was drunk while on guard and fell from a watchtower.
>>75956514
SO???
Years and years of historical research, shitloads of testimonies and documents are available for you to research, but two sentences about typhus and you have EVERYTHING figured out.
The holocaust wasn't a single event you nitwits, its not ONLY Auschwitz (which was a complex of three different camps!), it's a set of events that started at the early 30's!
>>75956795
Yeah it's an insult to /mlp/ desu
>>75956894
OLD
>>75955485
Just never forget that over 60 million goyim perished in a war your kind caused. Of course, you don't care because only G*d's chosen people matter.
>>75955126
Muh LoLocaust was real in my mind. You dirty Nazi goyim.
>>75955126
>lol never happened!
>Das juice mad it hup
>German Nazis were all about recording data
>you can find documents about how much fucking toilet was used at aushwitz
>detailed paperwork about every jew and his or her belongings
Yes faggot, it was all made up
>>75956904
Yeah cool, that post was definitely the extent of everything there is. Did you ignore the OP?
Have you ever questioned it on any level? Or did your creepy Rabbi who sucked your bleeding dick as an infant convince you it must be true?
>>75956894
Oldest joke ever.
>>75956904
Oh shit are you actually not baiting and are a genuine JIDF shill?
Where's that mass grave located that you mentioned a few posts up? (I ignored what I assumed was low-tier bait)
You'd think a smart Jew would get a non-Israel proxy to shill for the Holocaust from
>>75956630
There's no therefore. I'd bring every person that has a similar family story to post here If I could, maybe things will look a it different.
Actually that's exactly what Yad Vashem are doing, they have a massive archive of testimonials and artifacts from people that lived and died at that time
>>75957187
>a smart Jew would get a non-Israel proxy to shill
That could cost upwards of a dollar per month
wow stop being Hitler op
>>75957373
this database that takes anyone's random contribution?
>>75957046
http://www.holomemory.ru/Photos/23276ea9-003e-46d5-9a7c-3d3ad8c34187.jpg
That's the plaque
It's in Rudniya, smolensk oblast
>>75957890
Whoah that is a weird looking mass grave! It almost looks like a plaque and not a mass grave at all!
"oh buy goy, you see, it's against our religion to actually verify that it's a mass grave!!" - heard it.
anyone can make a plaque saying anything and put it anywhere.
I want to be very clear about this:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I'm an atheist, I don't believe in god. Because the existence of god is an extraordinary claim and there is no extraordinary evidence supporting its existence. When I apply the SAME scrutiny to the holocaust that I do about GOD, I find no extraordinary evidence. And something SO.. PHYSICAL as the holocaust, it should be easy to come up with something more than memorials, plaques, and Spielberg movies.
There is literally nothing wrong with being Jewish.
The rampant holocaust denial and anti-semitism makes me disgusted to come on this website anymore
>>75958299
Then fucking leave.
>>75958299
I know you were just b8ing tho.
>>75958242
Will the official government report will satisfy your critical reasoning, sir?
>>75958486
LOL obviously not. Which government though, for the keks?
>>75958242
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar
>"Once undressed, they were led into the ravine which was about 150 metres long and 30 metres wide and a good 15 metres deep … When they reached the bottom of the ravine they were seized by members of the Schutzpolizei and made to lie down on top of Jews who had already been shot … The corpses were literally in layers. A police marksman came along and shot each Jew in the neck with a submachine gun … I saw these marksmen stand on layers of corpses and shoot one after the other … The marksman would walk across the bodies of the executed Jews to the next Jew, who had meanwhile lain down, and shoot him."
false/forced testimony, right?
>>75958486
(governments are the ones to conspired together to engineer the hoax in the first place)
See this Churchill quote and try to think about what could have been falsified or exaggerated.
>>75958546
USSR
And being an atheist has nothing to do here, The holocaust is not an extraordinary claim. Mass murder? just a lazy Tuesday in human existance.
>>75958486
All you'd need is some Ground Penetrating RADAR like they use on Time Team. Wouldn't disturb the grave in the slightest.
>>75958702
So, what should I know in order to know the truth? Who should I ask?
>>75958242
>"The victims were made to lie face down on top of those who had already been shot and were still writhing and heaving, oozing blood, sing of brains and excrement. With their Russian automatic weapons set on single shots, the marksmen murdered the Jews from a distance of about two meters with a shot in the backs of their heads. One bullet per person was allotted in the Jeckeln system."
Jeckeln himself described Rumbula at his trial in early 1946.
Q: Who did the shooting?
A: Ten or twelve German SD soldiers.
Q: What was the procedure?
A: All of the Jews went by foot from the ghetto in Riga to the liquidation site. Near the pits, they had to deposit their overclothes, which were washed, sorted, and shipped back to Germany. Jews - men, women, and children - passed through police cordons on their way to the pits, where they were shot by German soldiers.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumbula_massacre
>>75958891
The videos in OP would be a good start.
>>75958760
>most corrupt government of them all
ok there bud
It's not about atheism, you missed the point entirely, it's about applying a consistent standard of scrutiny across important things.
And no, the holocaust is the most important/relevant historical event to us at the moment. Nothing else compares.
>>75958891
it's pointless and actually well psychologically documented, the leaf is unaware of his confirmation bias.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
>>75958954
No I don't care much for personal testimonies. There have been many false things in the trials that were PASSED that have since been debunked (see videos in OP).... That calls the whole trial into question.
>>75958829
They later dug up the bodies and reburied them in individual graves
A funny story actually, the non jews (LO GOYIM) who lived in Rudniya reported that the local head of police was the one who told the Germans where Jews live, they walked the streets and he pointed at the Jewish homes. After the shootings they couldn't find him, they thought he vanished because he was afraid to be trialed etc, the mystery ended when the grave was dug out; his body was on top of the pile. The Germans offed him when they didn't need him anymore
>>75959171
GPR can also see if your soil profile has been disturbed. Getting a nice soil profile takes thousands of years (basically layers of organics down through muds to rock), and fucking it up looks okay on the surface, but you won't have any layering underneath.
>>75958829
>All you'd need is some Ground Penetrating RADAR like they use on Time Team.
Like Polacks did in Treblinka?
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363
>She was one of those ordered to march to the ravine, to be forced to undress and then be shot. Jumping before being shot and falling on other bodies, she played dead in a pile of corpses. She held perfectly still while the Nazis continued to shoot the wounded or gasping victims. Although the SS had covered the mass grave with earth, she eventually managed to climb through the soil and escape. Since it was dark, she had to avoid the torches of the Nazis finishing off the remaining victims still alive, wounded and gasping in the grave.
you believe this shit?
If the holocaust actually never existed i would go right now on the streets and shoot every government official i could get my hands on to avenge for lying to me, corrupting my identity and blackmailing the world with lies.
Yet im not a childish faggot and holocaust denial is literally a faith followed of edgy meme boys
>>75959345
Why not? Shit like that could happen. Even nowadays there are people who've managed to escaped ISIS mass-executions.
>>75955126
There's people here that don't believe in the Armenian Genocide but you can't change what they think.
>>75959121
Are you a christian?
Also calling into question anything that relies on personal testimony would mean calling into question pretty much anything from the quartenary til about 1980, when cameras and such became commonplace...
So according to your point of view, Henry VIII might as well have been a fictional characted made up by the people of England?
>>75955485
I think you mean Einsatzgruppen, you illiterate kike. And for the most part, it was civilian co-operation that really spurred their efforts along. Jews turned each other in to the Einsatzgruppen and the Police Battalions in order to try and save their own skins... and then got executed anyway as soon as they were done sniffing out the other Jews.
Gotta love that German efficiency.
>>75959364
>If the holocaust actually never existed i would go right now on the streets and shoot every government official i could get my hands on to avenge for lying to me, corrupting my identity and blackmailing the world with lies.
That's why everyone's working so hard to repress it. But don't worry shlomo, things can be patched up and no I DON'T want to do a "real" holocaust, i'm not calling for death to Israel or anything. We can get along in peace. I'm thinking an apology and, basically, just to fuck off with the media monopoly and things will be fine.
This won't happen anytime soon, not in this generation. I'm thinking ahead. And what I described above is just what should happen IF it turns out that the evidence just doesn't hold up once the goyim start asking pressured questions. (they will eventually)
>>75958891
I don't think anyone will ever get to the truth. History is written by victors after all. Imagine what would be taught in schools if Hitler had won.
There's no getting to the real truth. But the one thing which makes me doubt at least parts of the narrative is that it is a criminal offence to deny the Holocaust in Germany and most of Europe.
This is a thousands of years old trick. You just ban speech which is inconvenient to your narrative.
>>75959576
Some things are more important to closely analyze and scrutinize. The holocaust is one of those things. I'm an atheist. I'm also a mathematician and I happen to have an idea of how big of a physical number 6,000,000 is, and it's an absolutely outrageously large number. If 6,000,000 jews died in a 4 year span or whatever, then we would have more problems HIDING the evidence than we do in FINDING it, that's for fucking sure.
>>75959842
>"I commanded Auschwitz until 1 December 1943, and estimate that at least 2,500,000 victims were executed and exterminated there by gassing and burning, and at least another half million succumbed to starvation and disease, making a total dead of about 3,000,000. This figure represents about 70% or 80% of all persons sent to Auschwitz as prisoners, the remainder having been selected and used for slave labor in the concentration camp industries."
what made Höss say this? Was he forced to?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIBs27l_NyQ
>1:20
>...gased and then burnt in of of 5 crematoria, CLEARLY seen here
>shows pic related
that's a funny looking 5 crematoria
>>75959576
in previous posts you literally brought up babi yar and treblinka which have both been slightly excavated where they believed mass graves to be and they found fucking NOTHING
there are no 10s and 100s of thousands of bodies buried across the soviet union. this is all side stepping the major point in that the gas chamber/cremation theory of execution is totally fucking infeasible and bizarre. whenever holocausters try to protect their dogma they try to posit the 'realistic' notions of mass murder rather than what has been agreed to happen by the holocaust industry.
people can't stomach bullshit and lies. it isn't just /pol/. it isn't even in the category of fringe conspiracy theory anymore. so, grab at your straws cause the people of the world are done believing in the jews claim to fame.
>>75959029
Well, I think that you're just atheist-dropping because it has no correlation with the subject, it's not even a good comparison for a process of thinking. I'm not making information up, on the contrary, I probably know way less then my mother and my grandfather about the story of their town, but I do know some stuff and that's what I'm passing on. If you want to touch the bodies of the dead, meet the old people who still live there and can tell you what they saw, you're welcome. The old crumbling reports are still there, crumbling in some cellar. In 50 years people could disprove with much scrutiny your own existence, because there's no evidence of you and the tonnes of "dad's cookies" you've consumed
>>75960153
That confession is partial payment for allowing Germany to continue existing as a country, and for the German people to continue living.
>>75959648
read
>>75959171
>>75960198
>which have both been slightly excavated where they believed mass graves to be and they found fucking NOTHING
what? Polacks literally found the graves
>>75959842
what about the Posen speeches?
>"I also want to refer here very frankly to a very difficult matter. We can now very openly talk about this among ourselves, and yet we will never discuss this publicly. Just as we did not hesitate on June 30, 1934, to perform our duty as ordered and put comrades who had failed up against the wall and execute them, we also never spoke about it, nor will we ever speak about it. Let us thank God that we had within us enough self-evident fortitude never to discuss it among us, and we never talked about it. Every one of us was horrified, and yet every one clearly understood that we would do it next time, when the order is given and when it becomes necessary."
>"I am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, to the extermination of the Jewish people."
>>75960366
do you have any evidence for that? otherwise Hitchens' razor will be applied.
>>75959648
Isn't Einsatzgruppen is plural? I think there was only one involved at the case I mentioned
>>75960277
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ6dVy1-Jok
>>75960198
>Before the Nazis retreated from Kiev ahead of the Soviet offensive of 1944, they were ordered by Wilhelm Koppe to conceal their atrocities in the East. Paul Blobel, who was in control of the mass murders in Babi Yar two years earlier, supervised the Sonderaktion 1005 in eliminating its traces. The Aktion was carried out earlier in all extermination camps. The bodies were exhumed, burned and the ashes scattered over farmland in the vicinity. Several hundred prisoners of war from the Syrets concentration camp were forced to build funeral pyres out of Jewish gravestones and exhume the bodies for cremation.
>>75956202
newfag
>>75960277
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGwn5R1PC9Q
rather not talk to or touch any dementia'd jews like this hag shown here
>>75960386
>the graves are in my mind
from your """"evidence"""" link
"Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves."
>>75960541
omg, you really believe that? you are either a cuck or a kike. i'm guess you're number 2.
stfu czechfag you slimely little kike loving faggots aren't a nation nor an ethnicity
>>75960747
spoken like a true woman.
>>75960747
The weapons delivered from Czechoslovakia proved to be of paramount importance for the establishment of Israel, leading prime minister Ben-Gurion, to declare in 1968:
>(these weapons) “saved the country ... The Czech arms deal was the greatest help we then had ... without it, I very much doubt we could have survived the first month”
can't let you slander out greatest ally.
>>75960391
Like I said before, I don't trust personal testimonies. Too many possible ways they could have been corrupted.
6,000,000 bodies. There would be blatant physical evidence, physical evidence that would be impossible to scrutinize. Hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of skulls and bodies, should have been basically IMPOSSIBLE to cover up. Especially while fighting on multiple fronts in the greatest war of all time.
Only newfags and trolls on /pol/ claim to believe in the Holocaust.
>>75961135
u n c o m m o n
>>75955126
The holocaust is just a tired meme and muh six million is pure satire. Literally no one outside of a few inbred kikes still believe this crap. Someone let them in on the joke, this has gone on for far too long. The paranoia is real.
>>75961124
should we pardon all murderers that were convicted on the basis of witness testimony and wirtten evidence?
>>75960653
So lets round up the evidence
>There was a large Nazi camp, that had no military purpose
>Nazis stuffed it up with large amount of Jews and other """""undesirables"""""
>Large amount of European jews went missing
>Then they tried to cover it up, so they destroyed the camp and build a farm on top of it
>Later excavations found the remains of the camp and "large quantities of ash and bones
gee I wonder what would the conclusion be.
>>75961124
>Hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of skulls and bodies
And like what do you expect to see? Ukraine and Poland covered with Skulls and hipbones, rivers poisoned by corpses? Shitton of other people were murdered by the Germans in Eastern Europe and yet ordinary guy wont see any evidence except for tales from his granpa.
>>75961428
Can you think of any murderers that were convicted solely on witness testimony in the absence of physical evidence?
I mean from the west of course, not from your corrupt country. I'm sure you have tons of these criminals.
>>75960592
>>75960592
the first "Isn't available in my country"
the second is, well, what the fuck is that?
what are you saying?
I've asked you, what is a good enough evidence for you?
>>75961706
>Ukraine and Poland covered with Skulls and hipbones, rivers poisoned by corpses?
Well that certainly would have qualified as some physical evidence.
>>75961748
What would be good enough for you to disprove the holocaust narrative? Lying witnesses, confessions made under torture, planted evidence, doctored photos? All of that exists. Why would such an obviously horrible act need so much embellishment? Why does a historical event need legal protection from scrutiny?
>>75961707
>3 of the first 62 DNA exonerations of people who turned out to be innocent of charges of capital crimes in the United States were convicted on eye-witness testimony
>Analyses of DNA exoneration cases since 1992 reveal that mistaken eyewitness identification was involved in the vast majority of these convictions, accounting for more convictions of innocent people than all other factors combined.
>Wells, Memon, and Penrod
luckily we have written evidence backing up eye-witness testimony.
how do you enjoy being totally BTFO on every one of your points throughout this thread? Do you think there will ever come a point when the penny will drop or are we just destined to be combating your confirmation bias for ever?
>>75961794
Then I am sorry mr. Atheistic Mathematician. But the world does not work like that.
>>75961748
>"Isn't available in my country"
Hmm I wonder why.
>>75961748
You don't understand the insinuation with the second video?
In terms of evidence... I'd prefer PHYSICAL evidence. Yes, physical. Bodies. Skulls. Nasty shit. Mass graves. It would still exist even today, if they existed in the first place.
An official Nazi document showing plans and details to exterminate jews in "death camps", dated BEFORE the end of the war (preferably before the holocaust), would also be strong evidence of the holocaust.
>>75962061
I probably should have added motives to my original question there though. If there is an identifiable MOTIVE for the crime, then eyewitness testimony becomes a bit more reasonable. Also helps if the witness isn't related to the criminal in any way. That's why I asked you for a SINGLE case, so I could look at the details of the case. I didn't mean "single" to imply that there HASN'T been a single case of it happening, although that's how it came out.
>ANYWAYS
All you've done is post eye-witness "testimony" and ask a hypothetical "should we question EVERYTHING?"..
You've done no BTFOing.
>>75961972
I don't even understand what you're trying to tackle, The holocaust is just an umbrella term for a set of events.
If someone tells you his personal story, about how the Nazis came and put him and his family in a ghetto and later sent everyone to a camp from which he escaped/managed to survive till the end of the war while his family was murdered, his so called "Personal" holocaust", will you argue that his entire story is false because of someone else's inaccuracies/ lies?
That's a borderline fallacy fallacy
>>75961706
>large quantities
People really add up though.
>>75962321
>I'd prefer PHYSICAL evidence
Like this?
>>75962647
>I don't even understand what you're trying to tackle
Holy shit I hate when people play dumb.
>>75962758
>6 bodies
See >>75962732
>>75962321
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference#Wannsee_Protocol
BTW, if you expect to be """"BTFO'd""""", that's probably your problem.Things don't work this way.
>>75962566
I posted statements made by nazi officials themselves.
>>75962758
Aight now find 1,000,000 more of those. Oh but apparently there were 11 million total deaths. So 11,000,000 more.
Lol why would they have such a nice little grave for only 6 people? 250,000-300,000 apparently died at that site. Giving a grave like that for 6 people is inefficient to the point of it being impossible if that's what the average grave looks like.
>>75962732
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B6fle_Telegram
Thank you, I'm actually learning a lot in the process
>>75963271
Reread the post you just quoted.
>>75963271
Oh I thought you were quoting the one where I explained the evidence I was looking for.
Read this:
>>75962321
I legitimately don't know what to believe
>>75963601
Eh I wouldn't even call myself a denier. I just want evidence. I'm agnostic towards it. But as I dig for evidence all I find is lies and the fact I can't find any hard evidence i'm starting to get impatient and pissed off. (not impatient and pissed off from this thread, just from all the holocaust research i've done throughout my life... (most in the past year or so))
>>75963580
allrighty
>pic related - Authorised by Himmler himself, this original page of the final edition of his speech made on 4 October 1943 bears the Reichsführer-SS's statements to his audience that the extermination of the Jews, a policy of the Nazi state, is being carried out.
>I am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It's one of those things that is easily said: 'The Jewish people are being exterminated', says every party member, 'this is very obvious, it's in our program, elimination of the Jews, extermination, we're doing it, hah, a small matter.' And then they turn up, the upstanding 80 million Germans, and each one has his decent Jew. They say the others are all swines, but this particular one is a splendid Jew. But none has observed it, endured it. Most of you here know what it means when 100 corpses lie next to each other, when there are 500 or when there are 1,000. To have endured this and at the same time to have remained a decent person — with exceptions due to human weaknesses — has made us tough, and is a glorious chapter that has not and will not be spoken of. Because we know how difficult it would be for us if we still had Jews as secret saboteurs, agitators and rabble-rousers in every city, what with the bombings, with the burden and with the hardships of the war. If the Jews were still part of the German nation, we would most likely arrive now at the state we were at in 1916 and 17
>>75963580
>"I ask of you that that which I say to you in this circle be really only heard and not ever discussed. We were faced with the question: what about the women and children? – I decided to find a clear solution to this problem too. I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men – in other words, to kill them or have them killed and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of their children to grow up. The difficult decision had to be made to have this people disappear from the earth. For the organisation which had to execute this task, it was the most difficult which we had ever had. [...] I felt obliged to you, as the most superior dignitary, as the most superior dignitary of the party, this political order, this political instrument of the Führer, to also speak about this question quite openly and to say how it has been. The Jewish question in the countries that we occupy will be solved by the end of this year. Only remainders of odd Jews that managed to find hiding places will be left over."
Goebbels on HImmler's speech:
>Regarding the Jewish question, he [Himmler] gives a very unadorned and frank picture. He is of the conviction that the Jewish question can be solved by the end of this year. He advocates the most radical and most severe solution, namely to exterminate Jewry, bag and baggage. Of course, if brutal, this is a consistent solution. Because we must take on the responsibility of entirely solving this question in our time. Subsequent generations will doubtlessly no longer dare address this problem with the courage and obsession as we are able to do today.
>>75962732
The guy who did the comparism should consider sudoku. Comparing the volume efficiency of burial and sport-event is beyond retarded. Just look at the fucking huge pitch taking like half of the space.
900 000 corpses of normal European people would make up 60 000 cubic metres. But in case of malnutrishioned cremated people the volume would be way smaller, like 20 000 cubic metres?
>>75963423
>So 11,000,000 more.
Feel free to contact the archeologists concucting the research.
>>75963601
I think it would be fun if local deniers decided to gather all the counter-evidence they have and write it to adult historians.
>>75964004
>extermination of the Jewish people
There were jews all over the world not just in Nazi occupied countries. The Nazis knew this, they weren't that stupid. 'The Jewish people are being exterminated', no, no, no. They obviously aren't. Nazis were well aware that jews were fucking everywhere. The passage is exceptionally horrid but it doesn't make that much sense. Our of German government roles? For the most part-- yes. Being exterminated? No.
>>75955126
Holocaust is very real, but:
a) the numbers are hugely inflated
b) Poles were the main victims, not Jews
>>75964243
>The guy who did the comparism should consider sudoku. Comparing the volume efficiency of burial and sport-event is beyond retarded. Just look at the fucking huge pitch taking like half of the space.
Ugh, okay here's Woodstock '69 which was ~400,000 people. So more than double that in the corner of a little paddock.
>>75964297
wait, what? So, when Jews are being killed in nazi Germany, and a high ranking official confirms this, it doesn't make sense? what???
also look at this
>...wir hatten die Pflicht unserem Volk gegenüber das zu tun, dieses Volk, das uns umbringen wollte, umzubringen.
>Himmler thus confirms that the context is explicitly physical extermination, since umbringen simply has no meaning other than "to kill".
>all this hate speech
You are offending my european values
>>75964004
judenvakuierung = evacuation or expulsion of jews
austrottung = uprooting or liquidation as in financial and social
the bit about corpses is talking about germans being buried in mass graves due to allied bombing and how that has steeled them against capitualtion
>>75964522
>>75964477
Can't find that listed. Got a direct link pls? Just to check if it's blocked here too (the ones I can find aren;t blocked)
>>75964679
you've just be meme'd
>>75964679
it's the third link in the OP, leaf
>>75964914
>>75964927
shiiet blocked for me too
well this one is watchable, same video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD5dqWrTpvE
>>75964522
>>75964647
The bodies from Treblinka were burnt on large "grills", reduced to ash, so your model is inaccurate
>>75965058
and then all traces of the human ash remains were atomized and then the atoms were fed into a dark matter singularity and the singularity was teleported back to the jurassic period and thats how the dinosaurs were killed by jew ghosts
>>75955126
I wonder who could be behind this
>>75965173
I'm not familiar with the theory, please elaborate
how does /pol/ feel about Dean Irebodd (Denierbud)'s work?
>>75965173
kek
>>75965058
So yeah they just cooked the jew like hot dogs? Bone doesn't turn to ash at typical "fireplace" temperatures. Never mind all the flesh it would have to work through, and other bodies. That's why crematoria exist... They get a lot hotter.
>>75965258
basically if 900,000 people were executed exhumed cremated to ash it would take years and there would still be a shit load of evidence
>>75965275
Pretty thorough and academic, funny too, much respect.
>>75955126
:/
White desu
>>75965636
What does the error message on the first one translate to, aquafresh? (still works for me)
>>75965485
what about einsatzgruppen
>>75965693
It isn't available in my country leaf.
>>75965468
>Bone doesn't turn to ash at typical "fireplace" temperatures.
say that to any serial killer whos done that
Smh desu senpai cuck Nigger nigger Penis penis moot
>>75965749
That has nothing to do with the point he brought up, you're trying to divert back to square one. We're not denying that WW2 happened, we're questioning the planned and deliberate genocide of 6,000,000 jews during the years of 1941-1945, mostly at "extermination camps". And more specifically, discussing theories on how those 6M bodies could have disappeared or been hidden. (protip, 6M is a big number)
>>75964647
So two fields like this? Thats a better guess. Now it is not so unrealistic.
>>75965894
Are you trolling? Fuck off leaf.
>>75965749
what about carpet bombing cities full of civilians? the greatest crimes of the war aren't even deniable they're just whitewashed by tales of a humongous mass murder network that never existed
>>75965973
2 million were killed by the einsatsgruppen, almost a third of the claimed 6 million, so even if only that happened, it is still considered genocide.
unless you somehow deny the armenian genocide too.
>all this shilling
JIDF, how much do I get paid, because your shilling is low-level.
>>75966113
You should read the whole thread tbqh.
>>75966176
i see you havent addressed the posen speech, which is a huge piece of evidence.
>>75965058
https://youtu.be/gD5dqWrTpvE?t=22m30s
>>75965468
It feels like I'm having a debate with a creationist that "questions evolution" because "it's like believing that a hurricane would create a Ferrari"
>>75965485
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderaktion_1005
>>75966318
Hey, my grandfather made a speech on UFOs kidnapping him, it totally happened, because he would never dare lie to me....
>>75963436
>all these people ignoring this
>>75966318
this guys addressed it:
>>75964629
speaking german seems like an important skill for addressing something written in german.
I kind of wanted to question the translation but not speaking german is a bit of an issue.
>>75966113
the einsatzgruppen were a special task force their number one job was to filter soviet pows and find commisars and party members and waste em. the soviets were doing the same to the SS.
the holohoax is built on the lie of disproportionate fantasy. einsatzgruppen only ever was like 3 battalions strong and to have killed a hundred thousands much less 2 million is a fucking ridiculous accusation for that unit.
>>75966412
out of all the arguments against that speech ive heard, that has got to be the dumbest one.
Sure if some random civilian said that, we could ignore it, but not himmler at a fuckin conference
>>75966318
posen speech was already brought up
i sunk that ship here:
>>75964629
notice the poster i replied to suddenly disappeared and now poof you're here
cram it up your fucking ass you kike shill
>>75966484
yes, main task, however the actions were directed by the 3 main heads, which decided themselves to rush and clear the terretories they were responsible for out of jews
>>75966606
ahh the classic "but its mistranslated"
Although Himmler's handwritten notes contain only the word "Judenevakuierung," above page 9, line 5, in the transcript of the text of the speech right, page 65, paragraph 2, lines 1-2, he defines 'evacuation' as a euphemism for Ausrottung (extermination). Both speech notes and large- type reading list are included in Nuremberg document PS-1919; the sound recordings of parts of this and other Himmler Speeches are also held by the National Archives, and a contemporary, typed transcription directly from the wax disk recording of the first quarter of the speech is available on microfilm. (NA RG 238, PS-1919 -- text; Record Group 242, 229 -- sound recording.)
>>75963436
You are wasting your time, people on this board are retarded burgers.
>>75955126
>>75966982
mostly muslims
>>75965468
Even still, there were maybe only 15 at a time being cremated and cremation takes hours, you would need a fucking Blast Furnace to be able to do it quicker
>>75955953
>slightly less annoying
>weeb shit
Pick one.
>>75966778
You're stretching to argue that Himmler declared that the Jews are being exterminated, but honestly I just don't see it as a logical thing to say in any context, even if it were true. Jews were all over the world at that time. It's like if I go into my backyard and kill all the ants in my yard and then declare that ants, as a species, are being exterminated.
Overall I don't really see any strong motives for the Germans to try to exterminate jews. They successfully got the jews out of power in the govt and media, and that was all they really needed to do. Why exterminate? Wouldn't they be more helpful working for the war effort, if anything?
Explain this then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk
>>75967250
>Why would a people who believed they lost WW1 to Jewish sabotage want to kill the Jews?
>Why not just let them contribute to the war effort?
>>75967340
>british person talking
don't ruin my morning please
I think this video does the same thing at the start.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMPSt92jZNQ
all the 6 gorillion references. It's some sort of biblical number for them.
>>75967250
a very strong motive, all the propaganda and writings at the time, the speeches against them made by the leaders, and near the end of the war, the instability of hitler.
Hitler could of just told himmler, i dont care what or how you do it just get rid of them, and himmler followed through his own way
>>75967457
It certainly shouldn't have been a priority. And Germany wanted peace with the world and america. Hitler knew jews controlled america, he probably knew that genociding the jews would make peace with the world impossible.
But the holocaust wasn't "discovered" until after the war, so don't try to say America somehow knew about it and that's why they attacked Germany...
>>75967726
>Germany wanted peace with America
>That's why they symbolically declared war alongside Japan
>>75955410
I heard you liked camps, so i put a camp in your camp so you can camp when i make you go to the camps.
>>75967726
>And Germany wanted peace with the world and america
Thats why they've invaded Poland?
>>75967792
>symbolically
Just like they symbolically killed 6M jews.
>>75955126
>YOU FUCKING ANTI SEMTIES THIS IS ANDUDDUH SHOA THIS WILL BE REPORTED FOR BLATANT ANTISEMITESIM
>YOU FILTHY GOYS NEED TO REMEMBER THE 600 MILLION THAT DIED YOU FILTHY ANTI SEMITES
>>75967937
A declaration of war is a declaration of war.
Declaring war against a world power as a symbolic gesture towards your ally - who just bombed them - was not a wise move.
>>75955126
Fucking Germany
>>75966606
lel, what. What about all the other of Himmler's speeches?
>>75964153
>>75964004
>>75964530
you didn't debunk anything
>>75967900
liberated them from the great depression, communist takeover, and holodomor*
>>75967900
>>75968104
Shit anon, now I cant tell if you are dumb or just pretending to be.
>>75968065
it's all the same thing vague references from poor sources. where are the plans, where are the materials, and where are the fucking bodies. at ridgeway hill in england a mass grave was uncovered of 50 viking bodies from a thousand years ago.
if there are millions of bodies of the executed from these camps buried about the camps than why haven't any been uncovered?
>>75964522
Just think of how much better the u.s. would be now if a nuke had been dropped on those filthy degenerates
>>75968104
>holodomor
>poland
>>75968459
>a record of Himmler's speech that Himmler himself authorised is not a good enough source
>o-okay.jpg
well, in case of Babi Yar
>>75960541
>>75968673
>>75968343
Germany just took over Poland before the communists did.
See the map too.
>>75968784
>Germany just took over Poland before the communists did.
Then how the fuck did they liberate them from Communists?
This post actually makes your point even less clear.
Next you'll bring up "Muh radio towers, it's actually the war of Polish aggression"
>>75968894
Liberated from great depression.
Enjoying the daily holocaust denial thread
>>75968696
himmler talks about the removal of jews in these speeches, why no communications about actual kill process or contemporary evidence of this systematic mass murder from neutrals or enemies
yes yes babi yar, they all were atomized and yet somehow the word got out. and that claim about the headstones being used as a crematory oven is just chutzpah yet someone who is gullible enough would get clinched by it.
soap and lampshades and holocoasters oh my
>>75968959
>It's okay that we took your national sovereignty, so long as we improve your economy [citation needed]
Merkel, is that you?
>>75969010
Aren't you happy you got saved from those evil evil Germans?
>>75955485
>>75968459
>if there are millions of bodies of the executed from these camps buried about the camps than why haven't any been uncovered?
Because the archaelogical surveys started only recently.
>>75968784
You know nazis and Soviets attacked in coalition, right?
>>75955485
We are not denying it happend we are denying the numbers stupid kike. Let go of my country please. I never cared much for the Jews until I noticed how much control you guys have over American politics and my religion. Your people are cancer and where ever you go you reap misfortune. Hell, even in the OT you guys could not stop fucking up.
>>75956993
>no detailed paperwork anywhere at all about killing all the Jews
>"oh but they got to it and destroyed every last trace of it besides the camps themselves!!"
>>75959439
>being able to time a shot and jump making it look good enough to a soldier that she died
yeah okay then Neo
lmao okay
>>75959747
except it happened at a time when we can still verify the truth, moreso with all these technologies and easy access to information.... if it were not prohibited to research it by these fucking kikes
>>75969334
so you're admitting there is no actual hard evidence of this mass murder of innocents by germans, but at some point in the future there will be?
does that not seem like a far fetched conclusion when it has already been 70 years
>>75969167
The fuck are you rambling about m8
Do you think I scream LMAO KEK TRUDEAU every time I see some canadians ? Memeposters are cancer
>>75969090
why would a high ranking nazi official talk about something so horrid without it actually happening? what would be to gain?
You are cluthing at straws here, bro.
https://youtu.be/n05TelLnZps
>Emil Wolff pushed his recently gassed parents together into a crematory oven at Auschwitz-Birkenau and collected their fat so it could be sent to Germany to be made into soap
>>75969563
>really mad
Aight it was rude but you can take it down a notch.
>>75969806
Yes I'm mad when I see 12 years old sticking on their meme every time they see a flag, you're just following the flow trying to act cool
Do you think I give a single fuck about these leftists dying, I was literally laughing when this happened
Now let me enjoy some free speech about those lying jews
>>75969764
>talk about something so horrid
why can't we find anything more elaborate than a vague statement that literally to me means jewish influence is being destroyed and not the jewish people being exterminated as the nizkor project would have me believe
>>75969560
>so you're admitting there is no actual hard evidence of this mass murder of innocents by germans
No, there are the camps, there are the photographs, there are the demographics etc. The conclusion was made by people who saw it with their very own eyes.
But the sites were in the hands of Soviets, who didn't really bothered about the Jewish holocaust and also the technology now allows for better investigation.
>>75970022
>jihadist massacre in the name of muhammed
>a meme
ok
>>75970104
>>...wir hatten die Pflicht unserem Volk gegenüber das zu tun, dieses Volk, das uns umbringen wollte, umzubringen.
>>Himmler thus confirms that the context is explicitly physical extermination, since umbringen simply has no meaning other than "to kill".
>>75970147
You ever think maybe their eyes aren't that reliable?
Dhabi him shkcx
>>75970174
Yes it's a meme since it has nobody to do with anything. You're just "bringing the bantz lmao" for no reason. You saw a french flag and you were 'wow a french flag, I have this picture so I can be cheeky right here, ahah it will be funny'
>>75969461
>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iraqi-soldier-survives-isis-mass-execution-by-lying-on-floor-and-pretending-to-be-dead-9708998.html
Unlikely, but not impossible
>>75970206
> simply has no meaning other than "to kill"
it is a synonym of beseitigen or elimnate, take away.
>>75955126
If you post this thread again I will fucking beat you anon, I will find where you live and beat the shit out of you, you lowlife scum, If I meet you on the street one of us is going to the hospital, and that one is gonna be you
>>75955126
>it was posted on youtube so it must be true
Tell me more. :^)
>>75955234
this exactly. but on an anonymous theres no reason to pretend war propaganda is real
>>75970373
Well we were talking about countries that Germany invaded right when you came in. I was specifically talking about how Poland was better off under German control (for Germans in Poland at least)... So when I saw your flag I thought about the other major country they took, Iuno felt in context to me. Anyways. SORRY
>muh posen speech
Literal Translation:
"I am thinking now of the evacuation of the Jews, the extirpation of the Jewish people. It is one of those things that's easy to say: "The Jewish people will be extirpated", says every Party comrade, "that's quite clear, it's in our programme: elimination of the Jews, extirpation; that's what we're doing." And then they all come along, these 80 million good Germans, and every one of them has his decent Jew. Of course, it's quite clear that the others are pigs, but this one is one first-class Jew. Of all those who speak this way, not one has looked on; not one has lived through it. Most of you know what it means when 100 bodies lie together, when 500 lie there, or if 1,000 lie there. To have gone through this, and at the same time, apart from exceptions caused by human weaknesses, to have remained decent, that has made us hard. This is a chapter of glory in our history which has never been written, and which never shall be written; since we know how hard it would be for us if we still had the Jews, as secret saboteurs, agitators, and slander-mongers, among us now, in every city -- during the bombing raids, with the suffering and deprivations of the war. We would probably already be in the same situation as in 1916/17 if we still had the Jews in the body of the German people
>>75971092
>"I ask of you that that which I say to you in this circle be really only heard and not ever discussed. We were faced with the question: what about the women and children? – I decided to find a clear solution to this problem too. I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men – in other words, to kill them or have them killed and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of their children to grow up. The difficult decision had to be made to have this people disappear from the earth. For the organisation which had to execute this task, it was the most difficult which we had ever had. [...] I felt obliged to you, as the most superior dignitary, as the most superior dignitary of the party, this political order, this political instrument of the Führer, to also speak about this question quite openly and to say how it has been. The Jewish question in the countries that we occupy will be solved by the end of this year. Only remainders of odd Jews that managed to find hiding places will be left over."
>>75971473
there is no record of that being written or spoken by himmler and was written afterwards as a speech supposedly made two days later
all of this was found in rosenbergs office suddenly after he was executed. what was actually found was the 04oct43 speech i quoted
Is there an actual back-and-forth debate on the questionable events from the Holocaust. The only debate I every found was David Cole on Montel Williams in the early 90's, and the holocaust people got BTFO by the revisionist, even to the point where the audience was actually on revisionist side.
Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNsbGKqjXcs
I'm guessing this is the reason there are no public debates on this topic anymore, because it will red-pill the fuck outta people en masse.
I'm going to tell you something you will find hard to believe.
Before the war I was a champion sprinter. Furthermore I was a world renowned concert
pianist!
But then the SS rolled into town and shot everyone - except me. I only escaped because I was so fast that by the time they got a bead on me I was out of range.
I ran into the forest where I was adopted by wolves. I learned to run on all fours and
was soon the fastest in the pack. Because I had a PhD in mathematics and could climb
trees I was elected Alpha male! We fought the Nazis to a standstill. We were so
successful the Nazis mobilized a platoon... errr... company... errr... division.... Yes! An entire SS Panzer Division to counter us!
But my packmates were captured when Mengele himself made a net trap, then baited it with Bacon Bits. I had to surrender when the SS threatened to gas my furry friends unless I turned myself in.
I was taken to Auschwitz where Mengele himself chose me to be gassed. Oy vey! We prayed the Shema as we obediently filed into the gas chamber. But I noticed there was a three inch crack at the bottom of the door. And because of that I was able to breathe and live, though the other 2,817 Jews in that tiny room died agonizing deaths while the Germans watched through the windows.
I played dead until I was thrown in the oven, then crawled up the chimney and shinnied down outside. But just as I got to the bottom who should see me? Mengele himself! Ach! He ran over, whip in hand, and asked what I was doing there. I told him I was the camp chimney sweep. But he took one look at my hands and said, "Those aren't the hands of a chimney sweep! Those are the hands of a world renowned concert pianist!"
He then marched me back to his quarters, where to my astonishment there was a concert grand piano! "Play some Wagner! I want to hear Lohengrin!" Mengele roared while he whipped me. Fortunately, I was able to play the entire score of Lohengrin from memory - as only a Jew could.
>>75972217
cont.
His massive German shepherd, whose name was "Shotzi" was watching me very closely. This dog, as everyone who was in Auschwitz remembers, was one of Mengele's maddest experiments - in which he had stitched together random pieces of Jews and beasts to make monsters.
I especially remember Shotzi's eyes.... Shrewd, hard little eyes. Like a suspicious rabbi's
eyes. And where once had been dog ears, Mengele had sewn on Jew ears. Oy vey!
I played often for that tyrant. But if there was the slightest lapse in my performance
Shotzi immediately pounced and bit me - while Mengele laughed hysterically.
When I was finally rescued from this hell I weighed only 20 kg. And although Mengele escaped justice, Shotzi was not so lucky. In 1997 the Mossad finally tracked him down. He'd been living quietly in Brazil as a street cur. But Jews never forget... and never forgive.
Shotzi was spirited to Israel, where he was given a fair trial, then taken out
back and vivisected.
So, don't anyone dare tell me the Holocaust© is a hoax!
>>75956572
>tabs
fug you get an honorary aussie award this is hilarious
>>75972217
>>75972249
oy vey what a shame some people still dont want to donate to israel
>>75956630
Just explain the massive order of Zyclon B made WITHOUT the scent triggers to auschwitz
Why would they make this particular order during the war?
Fuck the testimonies of like hundreds of soldiers who had to dump in the pellets and close the doors. They could have been coerced. But give me a break there is clear evidence of gassing going on.
>holohoax conspiracy
Even if it was a number a million less than the official count... It doesn't mean that the entire story is a fabrication.
So when you guys start these threads just know you are so fucking stupid it challenges other peolples faith in humanity.
>>75973103
I don't even think the Israeli and Slav shills in this thread are even going to defend the gas chamber myth....
>>75955126
DELETE THIS
>>75955953
>no shitposting nigger talk
Feels bad 2bh pham
>>75955485
>All Jews from my grandparents village, including his family, were killed by an Einzengruppe while he was fighting on the Leningrad front. how do I know this? Well, they found their mass grave
No different than what you kikes did and are continuing to do in Palestine.
It's not even possible to question the narrative anymore without being degraded and having your life destroyed.
Like I do believe some bad shit probably happened to Da Joos in WWII, but I believe it was more a side effect of limited resources and wartime scarcities rather than a conscious decision by like almost all of Europe to systematically destroy an entire ethnicity.
>>75956904
>16 shekels have been deposited into your JIDF account.
>>75959336
Did you even read the article?
>>75963436
Top kek love it when new data gets slid.
>>75967250
>no strong motive
The elimination of ZOG isn't a strong motive?
>>75955126
>still not believing in astral reptilians controlling the world from hollow earth
Holy shit you people are stupid. Stay blue pilled sheeple.
>>75958486
>Will the official government report will satisfy your critical reasoning, sir?
Nice evidence you got there, Chaim
