https://www.dr.dk/tv/se/debatten/debatten-2016-05-19#!/
25:00 (its in danish)
"We receive strangers incredibly well, but no matter how nicely we treat them, the problem is there are too many in Denmark with muslimic background. In some areas we are simply too different"
The question is /pol/ Could this happen in your country? Would semi-important political figure be able to say this openly and discuss in it in your country?
>>75839374
in ameriga they would spout memes like nation of immigrants and ameriga has no culture and be called a racist sexist islamophobe
so not really
If you live in the anglosphere you can't say that, you can anywhere else.
>>75839374
wow denmark congratulations on a basic democratic principle being implemented in your country
>>75839374
Why does a country of only 9 million need immigrants anyways.
>>75839731
no country NEEDS immigrants
>>75839731
Well in the 70-90's we needed guest workers. Now we do not, its just country shoppers.
Although as most western countries, we have a low birthrate that will poste a problem for the future.
>>75839374
Yes but they will then be banned from anything except the FN.
>>75839374
Of course a political figure can openly criticize Islam here in the US.
We have a thing called the "1st Amendment" on our Constitution.
I feel bad for the rest of Europe though. Muslims are obviously walking through the streets of Britain, France, Germany, and Sweden like they own the place and the citizens can't say fuck all about it unless they perfectly fine with going to prison afterwards.
>>75839876
What I'm saying is immigrants in a country of only 9 million threatens your very existence as a people. Unless your country doesn't care about its native population, in which case it's more of a nation-state rather than a country.
>>75839876
And where does this fundamental flaw in thinking come from that we need infinite growth? Why isn't acceptable to have less people? Why do we always need more more more?
>>75839967
It depends how many immigrants you let in. We are not talking german levels here.
>>75840029
It has to do with economy and the growing late-age part of the demographic.
Especially now in a global society, if you are not ahead, and can pay for your growing elder burn, you get left in the dirt.
It is way more complicate than that, but in the end you need growth.
>>75840135
Elder burden*
>>75839567
You can here, shame you live in a shithole
>>75840135
The issue is real, but the refugee 'solution' is laughable at best, they increase the burden even more. Government should instead focus on social programs to increase the viability of having children, Hitler had the right idea.
>>75839374
It's only a matter of time
You vikings all will turn into social liberals and tolerantionists, that's only a matter of time
Sweden is your fate
>>75840278
What programs do that though? The main issue seems to be people prioritizing their career and personal happiness over having a family
>>75839876
>we have a low birthrate that will poste a problem for the future.
There is a much simpler and MUCH cheaper way to solve that problem anon.
Have more children.
>>75840398
You have to prioritize your career and education because the economy is in such a state that both parents working is considered the norm. Having children is also stigmatized by the media as well (movies/tv glorify the 'single life', 'finding yourself' and other such garbage), divorce rates are sky high.
Positive media and economic benefits would probably go a long way already, it's the natural thing to do, to have children and raise them, so I'm sure it wouldn't take much 'advertising' to see an increase.
>>75840398
Because cost of life have skyrocketed. A home is 3 time more expensive now tan for our parents when adjusted for wages and the cost of a kid is now ridiculous. 75% of our pay goes to the state. How are we supposed to afford 6 child like before? Even to get only two is a fucking achievement and since the idea of a common thing worth sacrificing yourself is gone there is no will to try hard.
>>75840381
We are social liberals, and you cannot prove that way of governing is objectively wrong, actually you will find many things we do better.
It has to do with balance.
That does not mean you cant fuck it up like Sweden. But the ideal is arguably the best. Because raw liberalism does not work, and raw socialism only works in theory.
>>75840551
You figured that out huh?
And how are we to effectively solve that problem without using wast resources or force?
>>75840551
>Slowly decreasing population is a problem
Only if you are speculating on houses prices or live on the capital you own.
For everyone else in the country it is a good thing.
>Low house price
>Low land price
>Low unemployment
>Low taxes
>>75840697
Well, If Germany can afford something like:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-costs-idUSKCN0Y50DY
Hell, they could just give a check of tens of thousands for ONE child born and it would still be cheaper than a single 'Refugee'.
>>75839876
>Well in the 70-90's we needed guest workers.
No you didn't. Nobody needs guest workers. The problem is that the capitalists want cheap labor. And the easiest way to do that is to use ideology to convince everyone that we are "kind and tolerant" by letting unskilled sand people come into your country.
>>75840697
Kick all strangers out.
>Prison population in free fall
>Criminality in free fall
>Welfare cost in free fall
Ho, shit, we have money now! Time to invest in our future.
>>75840624
I don't mean social liberalism as only the welfare state, but also political correctness, multiculturalism, libertinism. I think it will come to Denmark as well, to some point it already did, because you have some radical muslims in your country
>>75839374
That would be even relatively tame on what has been said on public debate
>>75840884
What if i told you at the same time the % of people working will drop and the % of people not working will rise?
Slowly, but surely.
Now all you said you might get is void, because nobody can make the demand besides the elderly, and there will not be enough working force to keep up and sustain the society.
So living standards will fall or taxes sky rocket.
And thats only the beginning.
>>75839567
We can
Islam is a political ideology in addition to a religious one, not to mention immigration is a political issue
We have free speech as long as it's political
>>75840938
>100 billions euros
>probability of seeing this number increase close to 100%
The number I have was 20k€/year/migrant.
If we are going to spend that much money, just give a 200 000€ check for every white baby made and we still save money.
>>75839374
Danes, you are always one step ahead of us. Your country can influence enough to make minds change, sadly you're glued to Germany but you lead by example and hopefully us Bongs will widen and cut through those thorns on that path you created.
>>75841137
But are politicians actively using it to speak openly about the problems? Or are they afraid if being punished in votes?
>>75840697
Give "rewards" or benefits to young couples that are looking to start a family?
The state pays for an apartment and some of what the baby will need and you get a bit of cash.
Even that would be 100 time cheaper than letting in illeterate shitskins.
And it wouldent doom our country on the long rum. Quite the opposite in fact.
>>75841198
Some do, yes.
there are worse problems than islam
>>75840947
>Guest
This is the key word.
The capitalist could easily build his factory in Algeria if he wanted more workers. What they wanted was a local unskilled workforce divided and too large for the number of jobs. This lead to low wages and no syndical action.
>>75841204
Anon... which kind of culture do you think gains most from such a law?
There's somebody here doing just that. You may have heard of him; he's likely the most famous man alive at the moment
>>75841204
>Give "rewards" or benefits to young couples that are looking to start a family?
We do, it's called bǿrnepenge
>The state pays for an apartment and some of what the baby will need and you get a bit of cash.
You can borrow 'indskud' from the government, and you still get bǿrnepenge
The solution is Eastern Europe.
>>75841272
>The capitalist could easily build his factory in Algeria if he wanted more workers.
You really believe that?
It's way easier to bribe the political elite to open the borders, than it is to move your entire factory to Algeria.
>>75841204
This!
Back in the mid 2000's John Howard wjo was our conservative prime minister gave out cash for babies.
Called it a baby bonus.
Basically you got a couple grand of cash for each child you had.
Admittedly it wasnt much in the grand scheme of things but it was a start.
WOW SUCH ACCOMPLISHMENT. YOU AHVE FREE SPEECH. WOOOOOOOOOOOW
shit like these are said everyday by some polician here.
>>75841052
>What if i told you at the same time the % of people working will drop and the % of people not working will rise?
Then I will said you have to show me how you reach that conclusion. Capital is still there in the loop, demand is still there, % of the population who ask for a job is low... This lead to low unemployment.
>nobody can make the demand besides the elderly
Are you mentally challenged or are you 70 year old and wanting all the taxes money for the retired? It does not matter who get the money, if he spend it, he create demand.
> and there will not be enough working force to keep up and sustain the society.
The other solution is to invite workers from another culture who will live on welfare en masse because there is not enough unskilled job. We live in your solution, and we see that it somehow keep working. With less people living off state money it will work too.
>>75841287
Of course this don"t work once your population is 30% blacked like ours is. You have to do it before or to make some serious cleaning.
>>75841433
Building a factory here or there have pretty much the same cost. In fact, it would be cheaper to build it in Algeria since the wages are lower there.
>>75841478
Your mid-Western, sorry senpai. Still based if thats any consolidation.
>>75839374
>muslimic
I heard you had a new right wing party, whats up with that? Are they getting support?
>>75841477
So you wanna reward muslims for breeding like rabbits?
>>75841478
But not everywhere. That is the point.
This is not a bragging contest.
>>75841540
>Then I will said you have to show me how you reach that conclusion.
Look up statistics of average max living expectancy and you should be able to figure out the rest.
No, actually, let me give it to you so you dont have to look.
https://www.nia.nih.gov/research/publication/global-health-and-aging/living-longer
And now.. no wait, ill actually just quote the fucking website so you dont have to read it.
"he rising life expectancy within the older population itself is increasing the number and proportion of people at very old ages. The “oldest old” (people aged 85 or older) constitute 8 percent of the world’s 65-and-over population: 12 percent in more developed countries and 6 percent in less developed countries. In many countries, the oldest old are now the fastest growing part of the total population. On a global level, the 85-and-over population is projected to increase 351 percent between 2010 and 2050, compared to a 188 percent increase for the population aged 65 or older and a 22 percent increase for the population under age 65 (Figure 5)."
There you go. Many experts have forseen and can see this elder burden, and it will rise, all the numbers say yes.
>>75841204
>Give "rewards" or benefits to young couples that are looking to start a family?
Won't work in the long run, it bred a shit ton of lower class children here because the mothers that relied on the state saw it as get rich quick scheme. Get rid of state welfare, bring the state down to a very low level, and have women rely on men again like they used to decades ago before state reliance came in. Birth rates will go up naturally.
>>75841477
It was a political stunt. If you need the baby bonus to have a child, you shouldn't have one at all.
>>75841287
Well, this should have been done INSTEAD of shipping in subhumans.
>>75841340
>Bornepenge
Yea, but that is just a given if you know what i mean. Dont underestimate how stupid people are. If you throw in something shiny like more cash or just state given gifts to the child and mother perhaps people would jump on that in no time.
People are stupid anon. And sometimes thats a good thing.
>>75840613
I know WHY birth rates are declining, my question was how exactly do you fix it?
With a shit load of pro-family propaganda?
Denmark is having a babyboom this Summer, it's a pure coincidence due to the cultural enrichment from last year.
>>75842025
>Get rid of state welfare, bring the state down to a very low level, and have women rely on men again like they used to decades ago before state reliance came in. Birth rates will go up naturally.
Great, and how the fuck would you do that?
>>75839374
>They're rapists
>They need to go back
>Build wall
Yeah sure can.
>>75841755
We call it the papy boom here. Thank you but the entire world already know it is a thing.
So, more people will live on retirement than before? How is that a big deal?
I will give you another fact: before the 2007 crisis, the grow of our economy was enough to cover for the increased retirement spending.
Now, keep thinking. Less% of people have the age to work. Demand is still there. Is the unemployment high or low?
>>75839374
It will. The lion will run rampant once again. If I have to pay for it with my life, i'll see my country free again.
>>75842147
It will come naturally if we keep having our borders open. The bad thing is that Europe will be an average of Africa and the middle east by then.
>>75841750
Does not matter much how much support they will get to be honest. They are not the toughest anti immigration political party.
They are just a mix of conservative and liberalism, dressed in new clothing.
If people are against immigrants they will vote DF and not the new party. The new party is more for anti-EU with a mix of liberalism.
>>75842129
source?
>>75839876
>, we have a low birthrate that will poste a problem for the future.
They all identify the problem so easily but they don't want to or try to fix it.
>>75841340
Yes! I will come to your country and make lots of babbies
>>75842321
Be strong /pol/ brother. Do nothing until you're in the majority. Otherwise you only harm your cause.
>>75839374
>Could this happen in your country?
You tell me.
>>75842086
You need the country to be white before any plan could work. As long as strangers are in the same boat than us, they will leach our money a way or another.
>>75839374
>Would semi-important political figure be able to say this openly and discuss in it in your country?
Quite a few things are messed up in Hungary, but free speech is very free. Even moderate leftists agree that Islamic immigration is dangerous.
>>75842449
whites babies are a minority in your country and tolerantists are still stronger than ever. Will this ever happen?
>>75842690
no, and your country is beyond redemption
>>75842147
>Great, and how the fuck would you do that?
Good question. It's pretty impossible these days. Everyone would be butthurt if they lost the state. I'm sure there's a few ways to get rid of state reliance, and bring it down to minimal levels. But look at the birth rates of the West pre-state reliance vs post state reliance.
The West needs to shut its borders completely. With our current open border policies, our own people are saying to themselves "Hey, I don't need many children, the new immigrants will pay for me" - If you shut the borders, there'll be an "oh shit" reaction, and everyone will start breeding again
Although, after typing all of this out. I do see why you would want one of these "baby bonus" programs in Denmark. What do you think fàm?
>>75842387
http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/babyboom-i-danmark-til-sommer
>>75842276
Its a tough call, and depends how you see it in the long and short run.
While the employment specifically might not be that low, the % of people employed compared to people not employed because they are retired, will be enormous.
But sure, most in the working age will probably be employed, but it wont work.
The real problem is not employment % directly, but the numbers that hide under it. You cant pay for all these elders.
We simply cant sustain the standard of living we have to today if we also have to pay for the elders.
In the far-future, without any miraculous intervention or technology, we might even see a total collapse.
Think about it 351% increase in very old people compared to others.
Are you sure you can sustain the exact same lvl of living when you gotta take care of increasing % of your people being over the age of 85, an age we can surely agree most cannot do proper work.
The key word is growing. Its not just big, its growing, and its growing fast.
What are you gonna do when over 50% of your country is 85+ ?
Work harder?
Wish for more natural ressources?
>>75842751
Tasty denial.
Islam doesn't exist in Vietnam... does it exist in yours?
Yeah, that's right crackers.
>>75843022
Is it saying the baby boom is from Danes or its from Achmed fucking your women?
>>75843056
I'm not denying it. I said no, as in we are most likely fucked. We SUBVERTED.
>>75843102
>>75843124
you're in the same boat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4
>>75842937
While closing the borders is a good thing, it wont make anyone think they need more babies.
Making a state liberal probably wont either, and if it does, it wont be the right people getting the babies i think.
You need to change cultural norms. Thats why the solution is so hard and nobody have a real answer for it that does not have a downside, or is simply such a big problem you cant solve it with a flip-
>>75843034
>What are you gonna do when over 50% of your country is 85+ ?
Never going to happen. We are not becoming immortals.
Our projections are 1,5 workers per retired person. This is much less than the usual 3 - 4 worker, but we are nowhere close to your median age of 85 year.
In fact, even with the current crisis, we only need a cut in the highest retirement (more than 100 000 € per year) to get by. This won't be done because no politician allow it but it show you we absolutely don't need million of people living off unemployment allocations to pay for our retired.
>>75843056
>That picture
I hope i will die before i see this in my country.
>>75843181
It doesn't mention demographics, just that there will be 14% more births this Summer than the last, it's most likely due to shitskins.
>>75843208
you need to revert to traditionalism
people marrying in their late 20s just doesnt work for birth rates
>>75843208
Actually, now that you did mention "cultural norms", you're correct. We see in the West that not having a child til the late 20s, and choosing a career over family is pretty much the norm these days. There's not really any other culture out there that has this type of thinking, which is why I suppose they out-breed us.
>>75843297
Enjoy your new countrymen
Looks like you'll have some inbred Arab DNA in your gene pool now
>>75843261
I still dont believe it is possible to keep the same standard of living, when you pay more for the elderly.
It simply does not add up unless everyone else works more, harder and efficient.
Unless a miracle solution presents itself, the standard of living will go down.
Keep in mind working more and harder is arguably also lower standard of living.
>>75843207
Fine then. Let me post the French one.
>>75843496
>I still dont believe it is possible to keep the same standard of living, when you pay more for the elderly.
So do I, the boomers got a better life than their parents and their kids. The question was: do you have a better standard of living paying for retired or paying for retired AND unemployed?
Now with a translation.
>>75843298
People are busy getting educated and pursuing careers (usually the same thing)
And lets just pretend we have more families with more moms going home and men working to get salary, then you cant pay enough taxes as a country (if you want the same standard of living)
Its a competition state, and everyone are soldiers in the global economy race.
It sucks, but its like the CO2 climate meetings. Unless everyone backs down, the ones who did not will get ahead and leave others in the dust.
>>75843652
Well to be honest we only have a few %, (which is needed in a flexible society)
The burden is obviously not zero, but paying a little for it actually helps the people switch between jobs safely.
If it becomes a problem that is big enough to actually pose a huge threat to the sustained standard of living, then the services will probably get cut properly.
If you removed it completely i actually think it could economically backfire.
>>75843965
>If it becomes a problem that is big enough to actually pose a huge threat to the sustained standard of living, then the services will probably get cut properly.
You understand now why social cost are being cut everywhere in my country. Never get 30% shitskin. Once you go black, you don't go back.
I want my welfare to be like it used to be: a social protection for workers willing to work but momentarily in need or injured or too old, but this is just not possible when an entire part of the country steal the money.
>>75839374
Yep. Actually the leader of political party now in power (Jarosław Kaczyński of PiS) said it multiple times during an electoral campaign.
>>75844138
Amen. This is why we already cut welfare for immigrants/asylum seekers by a lot, even if it spurned some hot media debate.
But unless we stop the trend, the welfare system will be abused. I gotta admit the future does look bleak for us, it wont take long for the shitskins to sit on our wellfare in that % either unless something drastically happens.
>>75844286
>This is why we already cut welfare for immigrants/asylum seekers by a lot, even if it spurned some hot media debate.
Based. Here we literally give papers to any illegal who claim he is sick and pay for his healthcare.
