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Which is better the NIV or the ESV?
>>75838057
It usually depends, people will argue the quality of the translations, others will argue the validity of the translations themselves.
I read a Catholic Bible myself.
>>75838180
Do your catholic bibles come from the Greek Septuagint?
>Jesus
Is the antichrist
>I bring freedom
Then goes and forbids everything
What freedom do you jesusbois have?
Actual believer here, I believe in God I believe there's a christ, I just hapen not you believe YOU.
>>75838222
Yes and No.
You have to remember that Catholic Bibles contain what would be considered non-canon or apocrypha by Protestants. So some of it is from the Vulgate, coming from Hebrew text.
I'm pretty sure that modern translations try to use both the Hebrew and the Greek anyway.
It often depends.
>>75838389
>forbids everything
What do you mean, friend?
>>75838389
Okay, any evidence to back that claim? Or do you just personally believe that as dogma without any scriptural evidence.
>Protestants are welcome
>>75838673
I'm Catholic myself.
I welcome Atheists too. I'm not going to try to exclude anyone.
Hail Satan
>>75838717
Okay.
Who is best Pope?
>>75838493
I need to read more of the Septuagint cause that's what Paul and the apostles used to reference the Old Testament.
Hail Satan 666
>>75838879
Of course, the Septuagint is essential. Greek was a universal language back then.
>>75838903
Satan is Going to lose and go to hell, he wants you to follow him, and he cares nothing about you
>>75839032
You're going to Hell
>>75839082
I was, but my sins were paid for on the cross
>>75839032
He's a literal Fedora who thinks he can trigger us with anime pron.
Ignore him desu famalam.
Hello, cucktians, did you washed dirty, smelly, moslem feet today?
>>75839158
Should I be upset that it's sinful or that he is defiling anime
>>75839158
I just like anime porn actually, nice try christcuck.
>>75839135
And who told you that your sins are forgiven? You're going to Hell buddy.
>>75839238
I'm not catholic
Reminder: Christianity is Cuck™: the religion.
Joseph got cucked by god and he is a saint now.
Adam got cucked by Cain, who fucked his wife, Cain's mother, after he killed her favourite son. Imagine that?
>>75839274
The Bible did, and Gods wrath is upon you, repent,
>>75837697
>thread theme is 4 minutes
pleb.
>>75839341
You'll be cucked pretty hard when you stand before God
>>75839402
You can't get people into hour long gregorian chants right away anon.
>>75839348
Did the Bible speak to you? Did you follow the "steps to repenting" very carefully? LOL
>>75839257
Neither.
REMINDER:
Christians are not allowed to defend themselves against evil. You are the ultimate cucks. If someone wants your wife, you are required by Jesus to prepp the bull.
Matthew 5:39-40:
38You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you NOT TO RESIST AN EVIL PERSON. If someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also; if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well;…
Your priesthood will rebuilt your churches to mosques and refugee centers and there is nothing you can do about it.
>>75839511
God Grants you repentance via the Holy Spirit, you need to get on the ground beg for it
>>75839565
Your an idiot, and in the bible context counts, so try again, or a million rapefugees will descend upon your women
>>75837697
Trump is the second coming
Cristianity was created by jews as a religion for good goyim, to keep them meek and subservient.
>>75839565
>Psalm 144:1
Praise the LORD, who is my rock. He trains my hands for war and gives my fingers skill for battle.
>Luke 22:35-36
Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you out to preach the Good News and you did not have money, a traveler’s bag, or an extra pair of sandals, did you need anything?” “No,” they replied. “But now,” he said, “take your money and a traveler’s bag. And if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one!
>>75839730
That's worked well in the US, :>)
>>75838562
>Okay, any evidence to back that claim?
Yes. You can't do miracles and you should be able to.
>>75838764
Last I checked fucking was an invention of God.
>>75838815
ALEXANDER VI
>>75839711
What about:
>But I tell you NOT TO RESIST AN EVIL PERSON.
Is open to interpretation, faggot?
Also, it is you're an idiot. (but I guess that you already know that, given the poor education system in america...)
Also, don't you have some muslim feet to lick, cuck?
>>75839768
And my favourite
>Jeremiah 8:8
The bible is a lie as the law was changed
>>75837697
>but try to be constructive
Buddy what you guys have that's broken isn't something that can be fixed
>>75839889
I have an easy interpretation.
There's no point in arguing with someone who won't listen to reason.
Like you for example. You aren't here to reason with people. You're just here because you have an edgy angst against Christians.
>>75839768
Sure, it is totally useful to have battle skills when you are not allowed to us them.
Or sword for that matter.
Exodus 20:13
You shall not kill.
>>75839414
>threatens someone with something they don't believe in
Not an argument.
>>75839952
Im just pointing out that you are a member of the most cucked cult on the surface of this earth.
>>75839661
I'm not going to beg to something that's not even there.
>>75839889
Everything is open to interpretation to satan, you see, he rewrote the bible, so in order not to have to follow his own lies he pretends he's interpreting them.
But if an enemy (a human) is considering these words, they become literal this instant.
Nobody should trust a "holy scripture" that consists on hating on mankind and its nature to the most basic level, meaning that it already speaks ill of us because of sex and pig eating.
Very clearly rewritten by a demon.
>>75839969
Exodus 20:13
"You shall not murder"
There is a difference.
>Luke 11:21
“When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed"
>>75840021
As if the Bohemians have any right to talk about surrendering or being cucked?
>>75837697
>BELIEVING IN JUDAISM 0.2: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO
Jews + Christians = together for refugees and multiculturalism
>>75840064
Jeremiah 8:8
>inb4 cherrypicking translations
>>75840041
> he rewrote the bible
proof needed
>>75840121
Aren't you the guy who believes in hedonism and is amoral?
That's basically why you believe what you believe.
You have no scriptural evidence. You have no historical evidence to your claim that the scriptures were changed.
You have opinion which is backed up by NOTHING.
I've seen you before.
>>75840064
Well but what you do when evil men come to your house and slap you? Will you defend yourself or turn the other cheek, as a good goy-cucktian should?
You are pathetic.
>>75840215
Maybe I'll just follow the example of the strong Czech people.
>>75840186
What does jeremiah 8:8 say.
The moment you cherrypick a translation you're proving that the bible is constantly, not just once, rewritten.
Christianity. KEK™: the religion.
All of you are either meek pussies or not a christians.
>>75840250
>>75840095
This has no bearing on the fact that your religion is cuck™: the religion
>>75839889
>Is open to interpretation, faggot?
No, it's not open to interpretation. There is only one way it is to be taken.
The whole lesson that line is a part of is about not returning evil with evil. To seek the good of things in spite of the evil that people do to you. This doesn't mean let do what they will because what they do is part of the evil that's discussed. To not resist an evil person is directly in reference to the teaching of "an eye for an eye" and meant to overtake such a judgement.
That's why it reads:
>“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person.
Anybody here have good reading material on seeking the heart of god?
>>75840254
Jeremiah 8:8:
>How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.
DUDE ARE YOU EVEN SERIOUS
How can you base a whole argument on this shitty piece of text?
it means litterally NOTHING
>>75840254
You may as well be Islamic then.
>>75840353
What are the Crusades exactly?
Everything you are talking about is misinterpretation.
You're spamming is a result of you projecting your anger against Christianity.
If you didn't care you wouldn't be here.
What has made you so bitter?
>>75840405
"'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of God," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?
My bible says a different thing than yours, it looks like somebody's rewriting bibles, just like I said.
Christian = cuck
>>75840476
What does your Bible say?
You have one?
Could you post pics?
Socrates: Then we ought not to retaliate or render evil for evil to anyone, whatever evil we may have suffered from him. But I would have you consider, Crito, whether you really mean what you are saying. For this opinion has never been held, and never will be held, by any considerable number of persons; and those who are agreed and those who are not agreed upon this point have no common ground, and can only despise one another, when they see how widely they differ. Tell me, then, whether you agree with and assent to my first principle, that neither injury nor retaliation nor warding off evil by evil is ever right. And shall that be the premise of our agreement? Or do you decline and dissent from this? For this has been of old and is still my opinion; but, if you are of another opinion, let me hear what you have to say. If, however, you remain of the same mind as formerly, I will proceed to the next step.
>>75840386
you may find it easier to have one on one discussions in person with someone who is religious.
>>75840524
I can forward you to a website that has lots of translations, the translations seem to disagree with each other, this again, proves my point.
www.biblehub.com
Why does one translation of the bible disagree with the other?
>the ones I don't like are fake!
How are you proving true the ones you like?
>I say so
Wow, so believable, do a miracle or get ignored, it's this simple.
>>75840386
Yes.
In what respect however? A philosophical understanding of such a thing? Texts on the spiritual life? If the latter, how much do you know on the topic?
>>75838815
>best pope?
the orthodoxy has like 20 of them, ask them. catholics have 1, protestants understand that you dont need a high priest covering the house of God.
>>75840729
I get what you're saying.
But what I understand is that you believe that hedonism is acceptable.
On what grounds do you claim that this is so?
Is it just your opinion? What backs up your claims?
>>75840374
Sure, so please stop resisting, accept the rufugees and prepp your wife, like a good cucktian should. lol.
>>75840442
Pic fucking related. Only thing crusades achieved was giving Constantinopol to the filthy turks. They lost everything and were heretics.
Crusades are shit. And your religion cucked.
>>75837697
Wrong board retard
>>>/his/
(you can click on that)
>>75840818
forgot the pic
>>75840664
>you may find it easier to have one on one discussions in person with someone who is religious.
Possibly, though having reading material helps.
>>75840818
So what are you? Atheist?
>>75840524
>you have a bible
this poor soul has no bible and has no righteousness in his heart.
>>75840821
>Implying that the body politic of Christianity isn't relevant to /pol/
>>75840765
The haters really seem to come out at night.
>>75840818
Why the fuck would I? It serves the common good better to improve their situation in their homes rather than them come to us.
>>75840879
Of course he is. He's just one of the modern destructive types.
ITT: Christ is cuck.
>>75840862
reading the core gospel (mathew mark luke and john) is a good start, takes a half a day. almost any church would probably give you free reading material. if i was walking into service and you asked me i'd give you my personal bible if only you would read it and find the lord.
>>75840796
>On what grounds do you claim that this is so?
The enjoyment of humans and their freedom is an acceptable thing by common sense, slavery of humans and unhappyness is unacceptable by common sense.
Before you speak, consider that you may be safe in your home now, but this won't be so forever.
I don't like this pope. Right from the start he started saying thing that were too good.
And now what he says is like what I'd say as fallen as I am. Does anybody have a reason for me to believe him to tell me the time of day, I do I understand correctly that what matters is between me and God?
>>75840944
>Implying that the body politic of Christianity isn't relevant to /pol/
It isn't, at all.
Fuck off newfag, you're using greentext wrong.
>>75840860
if not for the crusades, the muslim invasion of today would have occured a thousand years ago. you should just believe memes, become a student of history yourself. it really will benefit your outlook on life!
>>75840476
Bibles have been translated and rewriten for over 1800 years you stupid inbred! How can you trust a single version? they will ALWASY differ!
Most of Jesus' life has been wtitten nearly 200 years after his death!
The Bible and the New testament is most likely a litteraly style before anythign else, like I could use Goku as an example for life lessons in many diffent parabolas to explain how to behave
you have the brain of a child if you take the bible as the litteral word of god, no better than muslims thinking that a guy tripping out in his tent in the desert gave them the REAL word of god
You either believe in the Five Solas and SEA TULIP or you're in error.
'Five Solas'
Bible alone
Christ alone
Grace alone
Faith alone
Glory to God alone
'SEA TULIP'
Supralapsarianism
Eternal Justification
Active Decree
Total Depravity
Unconditional Election
Limited Atonement
Irresistible Grace
Perseverance of the Saints
>>75841051
Nobody likes this Pope, we're reaching end times in my opinion. But we've had bad Popes before, and we'll prevail against this one.
That shouldn't stop you from following God.
Remember that the main thing is that you follow God with all your heart. God doesn't turn away people who actively seek him.
>>75841140
Translation work consists on making russian be understandable to english people, not on making a russian novel about astronauts who save puppies be about terminators who murder kitties.
>>75838389
I once thought like you anon, but if you read what he supposedly said, a lot of it is stuff like "treat fellow man how you would want to be treated' which alongside the belief that god is present in all things, literally translates to 'treat others as if they were yourself. For god is in me, and you and your neighbour and so on.
Tldr modern society has taught us to take things to literal and we miss the metaphors. Hence atheism.
>>75841037
>Common sense
A vague abstraction takes precedence over the word of God? Common sense should tell you that's fucking dumb.
>>75840879
How is that relevant to the levels of ckoldry in your religion?
Did you noticed that they are huge?
How do you feel about churches hosting muslim refugees?
How about churches being rebuild to mosques, because christians and jews imported so much muslims and the churches are empty anyway because your religion is dying?
Did you know that only gains your religion has recently is in black africa? Thats why your holy father licks their dirty feet.
>>75841140
I don't take the bible as the literal word of god.
I take it as the bunch of lies it is, proved by the fact that none of you can do a single miracle that proves you come from God.
I DONT NEED ANY MORE EVIDENCE TO PROVE YOU DON'T COME FROM GOD OTHER THAN THE LACK OF AUTHORITY FROM HIS PART.
>>75841051
now you understand what martin luther understood 600 years ago. there is no need for a high priest to act between the Lord and the people.
What do you guys think of infant baptism? My parents did it to me when I was younger as it was traditional to go to church back then but I really don't see the point with my child. It's not like the kid knows what's going on. Wouldn't it be better to just let her do it when she's like 7-8 and can decide? That is after the age of reason after all.
>>75841269
If you come from God, prove so by doing miracles, people that came in the name of God but were fakes received the stoning treatment, get ready for that if you persist.
>>75841133
Yeah, sure, you can keep telling yourself that...
Anyway, what they didn't managed then, they will manage now and christians will be helping them all the way.
>>75841325
That's what confirmation would be for.
>>75841140
what emotions are you feeling right now? i'd guess not positive ones. you are voluntarily choosing to be an angry mess. how does this benefit you in the moment we are sharing together?
>>75841295
It's relevant because I want to know if you think Atheism can save us.
and if so, how?
It's the liberal atheists who want to bring in muslims and cuck your shit up. Not Christians.
Christians are the ones screaming at you and tell you not to.
It's your liberal feminist faggots who are saying you should be more tolerant.
Maybe Christians should have slaughtered your kind by the thousands. But then you wouldn't be here posting in this thread.
God is merciful and forgiving.
When you're older you might appreciate that.
>>75841361
>>75841295
It's always these same two posters shitting up the thread. At least use a proxy.
>>75839565
It's about biding your time to prove the person is a heathen and should be slain
>be /pol/
>complain about jews and cucks all day erryday
>"/pol/ is a christian board!"
>following a jewish religion, worshipping a jewish god and Joseph's wife's son
How does this add up?
Christianity is death and in its death throes it will destroy west...
>>75841385
>confirmation
And this would be a better choice, no? Because me forcing my child to be a member from like 3 months old (if your church even defines it that way) means that she really does not know what is going on.
>>75841522
DON'T TALK TO ME OR MY GOD'S SON EVER AGAIN!
>>75841438
you didn't answer any of my questions, why do you expect me to answer yours?
Also shut up and prepare your wife for me, pussy. You have no say here. Turn the other cheek.
>>75841446
It is not we who shit your thread, is your religion shitting the world.
>>75841522
this
>>75841178
>God doesnt turn away people who actively seek him.
the catholic and orthodoxy churches say you cannot attain salvation without 3 things: faith, the saving sacraments, and good works. this is of course contrary to what Jesus said "verily verily i say unto you, he that who so ever believth in me shall not perish but have everlasting life"
if the catholic/orthodoxy church is wrong about salvation... why would you listen to anything else they say?
>>75841549
Infant baptism actually helped me spiritually I think. My mother had me baptized secretly.
I didn't know I had been baptized as an infant until recently, but it explains the feeling of peace I always felt inside Catholic Churches.
I think that's a lot of the reason why I was led back to it.
>>75841178
>we're reaching the end times
>seriously gaiz it will happen this year
>mfw it doesn't
That's not your fucking decision to make. You may want to see if your reason to say that is based in pride. You serve god. You don't make bets on what his plan is like a fucking horse race.
>>75841616
My answer is easy, if you want to look to Mankind and say "Oh look how bad and cucked they are" then you'll have plenty of evidence.
This has nothing to do with God.
Because if God teaches us anything, it's that mankind will cuck themselves every time if he does not save them.
>>75841308
i love you my brother and will pray that you listen and open your eyes to the proof of God that surrounds you in every waking moment.
>>75841697
You can see that there is a clear Globalist agenda being pushed upon us, yes?
That's what I am talking about.
>>75841528
>ahmed huber
lmao
>>75840021
Isnt arguably one of the worst types degenerate ways of life named after something in your country? This makes sense if its true.
>>75841325
>>75841385
it sounds like you are catholic or orthodox. i cannot give you any advice other than to say absolutely none of that is necessary (baptism, sacraments) and salvation can only be attained through faith and belief in the Lord Jesus Christ.
>>75841640
>if the catholic/orthodoxy church is wrong about salvation
They are not
Jesus also said:
>Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Ok, hell is described, but can anyone tell me about heaven, also if two descriptions of heaven are given which one is correct? Do people I don't like still go to heaven?
>>75841522
Not a Jewish religion at all, e.g. acceptance of "gentiles" and being able to eat "unclean" foods.
>>75841616
Christianity built the modern world you fucking idiot. You're confusing Christians with Jews.
>>75837697
What do guys think of 7Q5-7Q9 and 7Q15 manuscripts? is it legit?
>>75841872
>None of that is necessary
That's sort of like saying that a tree is a successful tree if it only grows to be five feet tall.
You're not wrong to say that the tree is successful. But at the same time, the tree should probably grow bigger if it can, and should be nourished further.
>>75841794
I see the possibility. I just get fucking triggered when I see people claiming to speak for god when it's just their own egos talking.
>>75841549
It's not a "better choice", they do two very different things.
>forcing my child to be a member
Most people, hopefully yourself included, would like to give their children a proper education and proper environment based on what the parents think is true and accurate. Church would be part of that for many.
>>75841522
/pol/'s generally smart enough to realize that the Jewish conspiracy they uphold is deliberately trying to move away from Christianity and Christian values. They know how badly the Jewish people react to Christianity.
While Christianity has its origins abroad with Judaism, its most powerful developments and culture were shaped throughout Europe. And where the view of our god extended from geographically matters very little. What matters is truth.
>>75841178
It doesn't shake me. I've always been what I am.
It makes me worry for those who fail to question who might or might not be a false prophet.
>>75841930
Ps
If heaven is everything you want who is more likely to make this barter?
Oil is made from decomposed dinosaurs but earth is only 6000 years old?
As humans we first wrote on stone or in caves, does anyone have the bible tablet? And doesn't printing tons of religious books world wide sort of destroy forests and stop the wood being used for Noah's ark 2.0?
>>75841872
>it sounds like you are catholic or orthodox.
Actually no, it's a protestant practice too.
>>75841930
>Do people I don't like still go to heaven?
You know your God is false when he hates all the same people you do.
>Describe Heaven
Revelations 21
“Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband
It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal.
It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates.
There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west.
The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city, its gates and its walls. 16 The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia [or 1,400 miles] in length, and as wide and high as it is long [1,400 miles wide and tall].
The angel measured the wall using human measurement, and it was 144 cubits [that is 200 feet] thick.
The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, 20 the fifth onyx, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst [these last two stones are unknown or only exist in heaven today].
The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of gold, as pure as transparent glass
I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
>>75842169
But, what If Jesus was a fake one? See devil said he tricked man into thinking he doesn't exist, lots of people don't believe in God...
>>75842032
Well I did mention that it was only my opinion.
>>75842311
To some Protestants. Baptists and those following Baptists, like >>75841872 , reject sacraments while Lutherans would not.
>>75842363
Then I would have to be convinced. Should be pretty easy I guess if Jesus could be.
>>75841907
good works have a place... sure. so does baptism have a place in christianity, alms to the poor has a place, church attendence, reading the bible, prayer and fasting all have a place... but when it comes to salvation, it's what must i do to be saved? the bible cannot be more clear in words and in examples: believe on the lord and you shall be saved.
the man who says 'jesus, jesus'... i do not think that jesus ever knew him.
>now i'm hungry for a pizza
thanks italy, that looks delicious.
>>75842340
Why did god kill Egyptians? Also in Egypt a desert where did they source lambs blood from sheep it's mainly camels and goats there?
>>75841951
A jewish sect that allows gentiles and is less restrictive with food regulations is still a jewish sect.
>>75842109
>What matters is truth.
And by that you mean what matters is what you proclaim as Truth™.
Because the truth is that Christianity is egalitarian and universal nonsense that's either using our resources to help shitskins in their own countries (which leads to them breeding like cockroaches) or shipping them into our own countries.
The sooner we move away from that the better.
I don't see Jews calling us "Christians!" and "literal Christ!", so if you want to argue with their reaction to something, we now have a better and stronger option to pick from, and that option was laden with pagan symbolism and völkisch ideology.
>>75842363
I've talked to Priests who said they didn't believe in the Devil as anymore than a concept.
How do you know a Prophet is true? The answer is simple.
Ask this: "Did his prophecies come true?"
If so, then he is real.
>Bunch of people come claiming to be heralds of God
>They claim bullshit commandments
>they don't seem to have any authority
There is one (1) treatment for your ilk.
>>7586510
http://putlockerr.ac/tt3464018-watch-Patterns-of-Evidence--The-Exodus-online-putlocker.html
>>75841908
i consider this idolatry and sin... not damnable sin, but still unnecessary road blocks to salvation.
>>75842512
I'm guessing God isn't vegan?
>>75842506
I am honestly tired of having to explain how this stuff works to protestants. Believe what you want, just don't complain when you find out you are wrong.
>>75841930
Dont take it to be so literal anon. Christianity is a religion, but religion is spirituality which usually has a lot to do with the individual experience.
You'll end up where you think you deserve to be. Of course, that means you should live your life to reflect your next destination
>>75842562
But wasn't the bible written After the prophecies?
>>75842512
Because the Jewish people were a Bedouin tribe before they were slaves in Egypt, and Bedouins were known for tending sheep.
A tradition which the Jews kept in Egypt.
>Why did God kill Egyptians?
Because they wouldn't let his people go.
>>75842562
>"Did his prophecies come true?"
In the case of jesus, his prophecies became real only in text form. When we deal with real life however, they don't.
>>75842512
well they also said you have to slaughter your sons, paint newborn blood on your lintel to escape the Egyptians, you have to engage in ritual gential mutilation, and alll kinds of other unbelievable things they wrote down in their book, and that's not even all of their books
Whoever "they" were.
>>75842685
Book of satan, writen by satan, claiming satans prophecies were fullfiled by satan because it says so in the book of satan.
We dunno what was in the bible originally.
>>75842562
>How do you know a Prophet is true? The answer is simple.
>Ask this: "Did his prophecies come true?"
>If so, then he is real.
“For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16:27-28)
Uh-oh.
>>75842685
It depends. But generally prophecies are written down after the visions are received and not before.
>Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
This prophecy of the Messiah was written over 500 years before Jesus was born.
>>75842706
The first Jews was exhiled from Romans in 139bc for doing naughty cult worship of Jupiter sabazios, history says. Which was later confirmed in 1000ad as Dionysus, a Roman god and some German dude in 1800s said that was also Jesus, it seems to me they just plod about stealing all the information and all empires they interacted with met death.
>>75842891
>This prophecy of the Messiah was written over 500 years before Jesus was born.
There were a lot of people running around back then claiming to be the Messiah because of that.
Almost as if having that story around causes people to use it as premisse and frame for their own shenanigans.
>>75837697
They created an entire board for this horseshit...
>>>/his/
>>75842891
There's another prophecy claiming the antichrist would be claiming Godhood.
And another prophecy saying scripture would be rewritten.
And a mandate detailing to butcher anybody claiming to be a prophet of God that sets laws of God but isn't able to prove his authority.
>>75842000
they are rituals, physical expressions of faith... i can see that... but they are claimed as absolutely necessary to enter the kingdom of heaven in your church. i could not disagree more strongly. i do believe that a baptism is an empowering experience and would recommend it... and that good works are a natural side affect of walking the Lords path... also a few other catholic rituals.
>paul: For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel
the Lord died once, not everyday or every week on sunday service for communion. so why you gotta go to worship a godly high priest and watch him in a funny dress (luke20:46) and eat his cracker for jesus to love you.
>>75842942
The Jews were exiled from Jerusalem by the Romans because they were always plotting rebellions and it was just a pain for the Romans to deal with their uprisings all the time.
That's why they wanted to save Barabbas who would lead a rebellion instead of Jesus from Crucifixion.
I'm taking a stab at, Jews are demons and warped paganism from nature to death worship, the bible ends catastrophically. A nice dude wouldn't do that.
>>75843064
The first Jews who settled in Rome were expelled in 139 BCE, along with Chaldaean astrologers by Cornelius Hispalus under a law which proscribed the propagation of the "corrupting" cult of "Jupiter Sabazius," according to the epitome of a lost book of Valerius Maximus:
>>75843092
Well, the basically killed Jesus because he was trying to say we didn't have to be such a bunch of assholes.
But they said it went against the Rabbinical law, whatever that is. But not even Rabbinical law could could execute Jesus, so they had to ask a higher power.
>>75842978
Yes, but this prophecy was very specific.
Born in Bethlehem.
>Micah 5:2
But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
though you are small among the clans of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins are from of old,
from ancient times.
Virgin Birth
>Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son.
The Nazarene
>Matthew 2:23
and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets, that he would be called a Nazarene.
The Betrayal of Jesus
>Zechariah 11:12-13
I told them, “If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it.” So they paid me thirty pieces of silver.
>>75842603
i'm open to hearing anything you have to say, i'm not hear to preach, just to give my understanding of things and why protestants have rejected certain aspects of the catholic/orthodox church. i do think that the quote you gave is very relevant and i will be looking deeper into this, yet i feel i am doing the Lords work in almost everything i do so maybe it is the "seeking of approval" of a high preast part that i also disagree with.
>honestly tired
if you cannot find the patience to describe it then dont.
ITT: Cuck's swearing to god they are not cucks.
>>75843203
I wouldn't be surprised if they had some Kabbalah shit going on too desu senpai.
You are REQUIRED to love the refugees as you love yourself.
Go prepp the moslem bull, cucks.
Your religion is pathetic.
>>75842311
what >>75842401 said... all of that aside only one thing is absolutely necessary:
believe on the lord and you shall be saved.
>>75843244
>Yes, but this prophecy was very specific.
So? My point was that you can customize whatever you want to push to prophecies like that and the claim that the prophecy legitimizes what you're trying to push.
>>75843405
That's not very nice to your neighbors, though, if you don't do anything to help out around here.
>>75843047
By saying that the Sacraments are necessary for Salvation it's not saying that it is necessary for every person to receive every Sacrament. It's saying that Christ established the Sacraments for the Salvation of Mankind. Holy Orders are necessary to provide for Bishops and Priests. Bishops are necessary for Conmfirmation and Ordaining Priests. Priests are necessary for the Eucharist, Reconciliation, Anointing of the Sick. Marriage is necessary for building up the Kingdom.
Baptism is the only Sacrament necessary for Salvation for every individual able to receive it.
This is why the Church permits ANYONE to Baptize in case of emergency, validly and licitly.
>>75842401
reject isnt quite the correct word. some of those catholic sacrements are entirely rejected, most aren't, and are a part of it, just not speaking on what is "absolutely necessary"
>>75843444
Kek, I doubt anyone would volunteer to fulfill a prophecy that required them to be tortured horrifically and then crucified by the leaders of the temple.
He could have easily led the Jews against the Roman Empire, they would have followed him as a fanatical rebel leader for the Jews.
DAILY REMINDER:
Christians are required to love their enemies. Either you turn the other cheek or you are not a true christian.
Love Your Enemies
Matthew 5:39-40
You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you not to resist an evil person. If someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also; if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well;
>>75842542
>And by that you mean what matters is what you proclaim as Truth™.
Do you really wish to parse facts from assertions of facts? That's just being obtuse and missing my point.
>Because the truth is that Christianity is egalitarian and universal nonsense that's either using our resources to help shitskins in their own countries (which leads to them breeding like cockroaches) or shipping them into our own countries.
>Because the truth is that Christianity is egalitarian and universal nonsense that's either using our resources to help shitskins in their own countries (which leads to them breeding like cockroaches) or shipping them into our own countries.
Pagan Rome was, itself, very multicultural and eager to move into other's countries. Most the world was like that, in fact. . To say charity is a Christian concept would be disingenuous to Europeans. Christianity only upholds and reinforces what charity is already there.
>I don't see Jews calling us "Christians!" and "literal Christ!", so if you want to argue with their reaction to something, we now have a better and stronger option to pick from, and that option was laden with pagan symbolism and völkisch ideology.
Oh please, look where the term 'kike' even extends from. The core of their religion was shifted in reaction to (to oppose) Christianity. The Jewish conspiracy dealing with the Frankfurt School (Specifically extending from Marcuse) attempts to spark revolution through a coalition of disenfranchised groups in society and the intellectuals. Doing so would mean to entirely oppose western moral structures which would mean to oppose the ideology that had the largest moral influence on the west (Christianity).
Yes, Nazis are hated by Jews as they overtly hated those Jews but you need to be not so crude as to not separate differentiating hatred in name from hatred in essence.
What Hitler stood for is hardly understood in the west now. 'Fascism' is an abstraction to ANTIFA.
Why do these threads not get deleted by the Mods? Christianity is not politically incorrect only a strict interpretation is. But thats also true for Islam and Judaism.
>>75843284
>if you cannot find the patience to describe it then dont.
I don't have the patience right now, so I didn't.
A way I like to describe, using my own words, how justification happens, it that the relationship between man and God is that of an eternal, ever-renewing covenant (the Bible undeniably shows us this). A covenant always has to parties. That covenant is renewed not only collectively, but also individually. You renew it every moment of your life with your beliefs (faith) and with your interaction with the world (works). The point is that the works are not something that happens outside of you by Jesus forcing you to do them because you have faith. They are an inner movement of conscience based on your free will. You freely choose to love God, and to do good to those around you, in whom you see God as they are part of his mystical body and are made in his image and likeness. Basically you are saved by Jesus, but you preserve that salvation with your works.
>>75843575
We love you as well, my friend. All that means is that we're not psychopaths.
>>75843659
Christian Generals persist without cause.
Christianity is the most cucked religion ever, traitor of the west and downfall of western civilization.
>>75839238
>1 person away from the QT mos grill
>>75843695
> loves your enemy
> not a psycho
Yes anon, when you kill your enemies, they win, sure...
>>75843736
I can never thank you quite enough for bumping the threads
>>75843309
Exhiled with astrologers, stone henge visited by Romans - is a sun clock, via Windows, Egypt exhiled, Gaza - is a star clock, via chambers, Greeks exhiled - had blood moon clock and Greek "fire" gods gave us fire...they're just thieving fuckers.
So what is it, pol?
Do you want the wall, or do you want to be cucked?
>>75843781
I don't mind.
Christ is a king of what exactly?
And if Christ is the king, how come that jews and muslims are owning you so badly?
>>75843736
Which is entirely why the Frankfurt School was interested in overthrowing western values instilled by Christianity to incite revolution, right?
The modern left derives itself from this interest in overthrowing.
>>75843309
Also sabbath comes from sabazios. So they can't deny the shit.
>>75843773
I don't know if you're trying to get Christians to do even more killing or what.
To me it seems like the people who aren't very Christian are forcing people who didn't used to need to kill each other as much into situations where they might feel the need to once again.
>>75843820
That pope is an agent of Satan.
>>75843889
This doesn't change the fact that modern christianity is cucked beyond redemption.
>>75843888
King of slaves.
>>75843787
Hah. Well you're not wrong.
They Biblically did succeed in annoying God. I think they actually annoyed him more than anyone else in the Bible ever did.
>>75843567
>I doubt anyone would volunteer to fulfill a prophecy that required them to be tortured horrifically and then crucified by the leaders of the temple.
There are people on /b/ that cut their dicks off for trips. Looneys aren't that exceptional.
>He could have easily led the Jews against the Roman Empire, they would have followed him as a fanatical rebel leader for the Jews.
He could also have easily stayed around as moral guide for humanity like a God Emperor, but for some reason that didn't happen. It's very convenient to have religions like that because it always boils down to "it's real in my mind" while something like an immortal sheperd would be a pretty tangible and real thing. And we don't have that, which likely means that we just can't.
>>75843912
Pope is:
"the Bishop of Rome and the leader of the worldwide Catholic Church. The primacy of the Roman bishop is largely derived from his role as the traditional successor to Saint Peter, to whom Jesus is supposed to have given the keys of Heaven and the powers of "binding and loosing", naming him as the "rock" upon which the church would be built.
You heretic.
>>75843951
Only in western europe
>>75843951
Propose something better, friend.
>>75843888
>Christ is a king of what exactly?
of everything
>how come that jews and muslims are owning you so badly?
Pic related
>>75844008
That's all a load of garbage and you're all fools for believing it.
>>75843955
Nice one. What about this:
Jesus the Nazarene, the King of Cucks
>>75844106
It was king of the jews, wasn't it?
And didn't that really piss off the jews?
>>75843959
No like I've looked at their every movement, organisations
Vlad dracul - order of dragon
Knights Templar - baphomet worship who later became Freemasons who worship a "supreme being" founded America and likely are now the guised illuminati, they are actually demons if to say of evil intentions
>>75843951
>ignoring my point
That time we had a big movement thinking the system was fucked and couldn't be reformed shit just got worse and we got a dumbing down of Christianity and 30,000 more sects. You reform and work off the foundations of your ancestors to build a better future. Not abandon their work for your best guess otherwise.
If you have a problem, fucking fix it. If you see someone wrong, say they are wrong and don't listen to them.
You accuse us of being a cuck and instead of working to preserve the good that is you just find something else instead. That's fucking weakness.
>>75844058
Like the bible, right?
>>75844024
As I said, the mentality of cuck is strong here.
Wash my feet Jamal, wash them with your tongue.
>>75844018
Where else is christianity relevant? In russia? Where it is equal by law to islam? Or in black africa, where it has the greatest gains recently? Yeah, that right, christianity is dying, only ones dumb enough to fell for it are either sub-saharan niggas or cucks, because it is religion for cucks.
>>75843972
So your conspiracy right now is that Jesus's entire plan was to perform miracles and heal the sick in order to get his name spread around like wildfire for a decade, while at the same time actively avoiding people who wanted to kill him, and then get betrayed by Judas in exchange for 30 silver coins, and then get tortured and killed on the cross.
On the exact day of passover.
and breath his very last breath precisely on passover day?
The Islamic version makes more sense than that.
>>75843492
i mean, i know what the common differences are between catholics/protestants are... and i try to find the applicable bible verses to think it through and not just blindly follow the teachings of a church lest it went astray itself. so i dont mean to call you out.... but why have holy orders, why have a priesthood with robes and heiarchy when the bible seems to specifically say not to do this (luke 20:46, mark 12, mathew 23:5) ... you shall not be called rabbi (or priest/pope/father/abbot). why is it necessary to have a high priest. it seems acceptable to me to call the Lord the high priest and myself and every follower a preacher (or teacher).
i hear what you are saying about "hey we need a dude to perform the sacraments"... but why must he be the one who gives his approval ... when he thinks you have been confirmed... that a man could decide when you have salvation.
it just doesnt objectively work for me, and i dont see where i am wrong when the sacrements are a stretch to begin with.
i hope i'm making sense
>>75844290
Nah the Bible is legit, just not the Catholic church.
>>75844290
>>75844276
Christianity is wrong and a lie.
>>75844020
Islam?
>>75844106
Nazarene was a magician. Like Dynamo but before tv, Egyptians made playing cards as a fun fact: 52 cards 4 suits/ 4 seasons 13 weeks
>>75844273
>Knights Templar - baphomet worship who later became Freemasons who worship a "supreme being" founded America and likely are now the guised illuminati, they are actually demons if to say of evil intentions
You really bought that conspiracy bullshit, didn't you?
Baphomet was a ploy to find a reason to get the Templar killed because of finance politics.
The idea of the Templars surviving comes from conspiracy theorizing as to the king that got the Templars killed dying not too long after.
>>75843486
i try to imagine "not having done good works" and being a christian with a relationship with the lord... the two seem incompatible.
who is this person that could possibly do that? and surely then they couldnt claim to know Jesus. and Jesus would not know him.
>>75844396
I have a wife and a kids, something you can only dream of, because mohammeds are ficki-ficking all italiand women en masse.
Being Italian and christian is like thir worst level of cuckoldry you can get. Worst are only germans and swedes.
>>75844020 (You)
>>Islam?
Yes, that was when Mohommed told the Roman Empire to Takbir.
>>75844437
>as to the king that got the Templars killed dying not too long after.
Also someone from the crowd lifting his decapitated head up immediately after and shouting "this is revenge for killing the [templar guy I don't remember the name of]"
>>75844510
>I have a wife and a kids
lying on the internet does not work, anon
I mean, how much more then pick related can a man be cucked?
>>75844513
No, that was when Saudis payed huge fuckton of money to islamize west and jews and christians sold it. You cuck. And traitor.
>>75844678
And guess what? We are forgiven for not doing that.
>>75844678
Jesus is right. I love you anon, even if you are so hateful towards me. That does not mean I wouldn't slap the shit out of you if you dared insult God in front of me in real life
Christians are traitors of the west.
>>75844777
nice trips
>>75844472
I'm no official judge, but why wouldn't a person even not want to do at least a few good works?
Maybe I'm just dense. It seems to me as though the good book is all about like a hadyman's manual for how to do some good works.
I'm RC so they didn't really teach us about this stuff explicitly. It's just what I got out of it.
>>75844763
You are not allowed to fagot. Only god can judge me, who are you to judge? Are you without sin?
Pussy faggot, like you would/could slap anyone anywhere, especially IRL.
Also, god's a little bitch. If not, he should strike me with lightning right here where I sit.
>>75844328
>You shall not call anyone Father
You call your Father, Father.
You also call your wifes Father, Father. Or you call him Dad. Same thing.
It's not talking about that. Think about what it is talking about.
It's saying that there is only one true Father, and that is God.
>Luke 20:46 and Matthew 23:5
True and still applicable today. But it doesn't forbid Priesthoods or men who dedicate their lives to study theology and live Godly lives.
Otherwise there wouldn't have been Priests in the days of Moses.
>But why have Holy Orders.
For the purpose of Unity. Right now we have Protestants running around and just taking what they want to believe of the Scripture and taking what they don't want to believe and throwing it out.
You probably knew this, but the Book of James and Jude were almost removed from the current 66-book Bible because of their references to Enoch, and because James pretty much contradicts a lot of what Martin Luther was saying(not that Luther didn't have some excellent points)
The Catholic Church ensures that there are certain doctrines that people can never fall away from
>Jesus is fully God, fully man. As God, he has always existed with the Father and the Holy Spirit.
>Only Christ forgives sins; the priests and sacraments are simply the means through which Christ acts to accomplish this.
>Jesus, the word of God, became man to save us by reconciling us with the Father
>Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary
>"The Holy Spirit, whom Christ the head pours out on his members, builds, animates, and sanctifies the Church. She is the sacrament of the Holy Trinity's communion with men.
>God created everything in existence, material and immaterial
The following greentexts I just listed are a few essential doctrines of Catholic teaching.
When we don't have authority and leadership in a Church, we start seeing heresies, such as Mormonism, or Calvinism where people claim that God does not give us free will, or that Jesus wasn't God.
>>75844777
KEK has spoken, christians are traitors of the west.
I sometimes struggle to believe how an honest man can be Protestant. Doesn't it take literally 2 seconds to realise that Protestantism started 1500 years after Christ and did nothing but fracture Christendom into thousands of pieces? It takes literally 2 seconds to realise that and dismiss Protestantism as a farce at best. God is One, he does not promote division, ergo God does not promote Protestantism; if the Holy Spirit did not found Protestantism, which spirit do you think did? This is so obvious it astounds me how so many intelligent people refuse to acknowledge it.
>>75844777
The west is traitor to Christians.
>>75844745
The Saudis only came about well after the Anglicans were Christianized enough to go subvert them into a toy monarchy.
>>75844413
>This fucking weak bullshit
Don't give me that bullshit. You have not even begun to talk about legitimacy. You're grasping for straws because you can't win the argument over cuckoldry.
Look at what you're fucking doing. You work towards no goal for the improvement of our nations, you offer no alternatives and you aren't productive by any means.
You
are
simply
destructive
Do you not see what you're doing? Notice that all the major nationalist groups are explicitly Christian (mainly Catholic or Orthodox). Notice how the damage to western culture has come through lots of little attacks to destroy and weaken the west's foothold in culture. You are doing nothing but aiding them.
Now I do not know why you're here on /pol/ pretending to act like a nationalist if you just mean to uproot shit but at least recognize the bullshit you're doing. Get the fuck out and let Trump General someone else sort you out.
>>75844763
>>75844924
Guess what, no lighting. You know what it means? it means that god IS a little bitch.
ME: 1
Cucktians: Cucked.
>>75844437
No the Chinon parchment found in September 2001 proved it, but appears the Jews did a dance because something else happened to stop you believing it.
>>75844944
Jesus isn't god. Stop with this.
>>75844924
>You are not allowed
I am
> Only god can judge me, who are you to judge?
I didn't say I would judge, I said I would slap the shit out of you. Big difference.
>Pussy faggot, like you would/could slap anyone anywhere, especially IRL.
lmao. I can just picture a teenage pimpled manlet writing that.
>Also, god's a little bitch
You shouldn't say stuff like that. I may not judge you but God will
>he should strike me with lightning right here where I sit.
He won't because it would be a tangible proof of his existence. You don't deserve that. That is an honor for those who already believe without seeing.
>>75844653
He was literally never beheaded. He died from a stroke.
>>75845030
>I don't have cancer so cancer does not exist
this is how illogical you sound
>>75845098
you are right, I am talking about Louis XVI, so not the same king, but a descendant of him
>>75845089
>>75844328
See what I mean?
>>75845009
I have kids faggot, something you can only dream of. And to ensure their future, I must get rid of all of this trash equally - jews, christcuck and rapefugees. All of these are simply destructive and humanity will be better of without you.
What did you do to ensure our nations survival, cucktian?
>>75844986
you cant beat the trips faggot.
>>75845005
Saudis came to power when americans gave them bilions for their oil and then tons of weapons for their bilions.
>>75844986
Oh yeah, you have to compound what I said with the fact that all Protestant polemics against Catholicism are fear-mongering bullshit: "paganism", "whore of babylon", "the pope is the antichrist", "they worship Mary", "the crusades and the inquisition were eeeeeevil", "they sell the forgiveness of sins", etc. 99% of Protestant propaganda against "popery" has always been this fear-mongering bullshit. Protestantism was forced on my country by an adulterous and murderous tyrant and his bitch daughter, who totally trashed the ancient religion of my ancestors and killed anyone who dared to defend it.
Protestantism is SHIT
>>75845097
You are not allowed to slap anyone pussy. Not even when you get slapped.
God won't judge me, and you know why, because he does not exist.
Fuck off, lick some dirty muslim feet.
>>75845137
I called god a little bitch and double dared him to strike me with lightning.
And you know what he did? Nothing. Because that what he does. Because that what he is. A lie.
Knights Templar was not all soldiers they invented cheques and banking, and charged rent of the church, Jew Jew
>>75844986
>>75845227
pretty much
>>75845198
>Saudis came to power when americans gave them bilions for their oil and then tons of weapons for their bilions.
Saudis came to power when Britilsh Petrolem found sufficiently radical natives to keep the other natives in check so that the oil would keep running.
Never underestimate the Eternal Anglo. They were the worst Bedouins available. Now the are Wahabbiate global Islam importee terrorists. The ride never ends.
>>75841438
This times 1000
Most Christians sympathise with those christians who've been persecuted in muslim countries. Most Christians denounce homosexuality and other forms of degeneracy
>>75845156
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew%2027:46
So he was talking to himself then? Get real.
>>75845320
I asked God for a bicycle, didn't get one, "the Lord shall provide"
Lying fuck.
>>75845320
I hope we meet one day and you attack me.
Then you can ask me why I'm kicking your ass.
>B-but...I thought it says not to do that?!
>>75845429
That's because you didn't pray to Santa Claus like the nords do. You live in a nation full of miserable, drunk, fuckwads.
>>75845320
>You are not allowed to slap anyone pussy
I am allowed to fight for truth. If you slander God and act all edgy in front of me IRL, I will slap you as much as I want.
>God won't judge me, and you know why, because he does not exist.
Repent anon. I beg of you, it's for the sake of your soul:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1rz_fsLH7I
>Fuck off, lick some dirty muslim feet.
This sounds a lot like projecting
>>75845320
>And you know what he did? Nothing.
Do you punch a 3-year-old kid when he tells you "stupid"? No.
God lets you do and say what you want until you are alive. You will pay with more than just lighting in the afterlife if you don't repent.
Daily reminder
Whilst Abrahamic faiths exist
Jews are winning, they killed your precious Jesus and hitler and any other fuck that stands in the way of Jew banks.
>>75844018
it's so plainly obvious as the cause of their loss of identity... yet they dont see it. they were tricked into abandoning their God... and in such a short time God is smiting them. if anything this has strengthened my own faith.
>>75837697
Loving these threads. Seeing so many brothers in Christ is truly a wonderful sight.
Keep up the good work anons. God bless you.
>>75845386
>Not understanding the Law of Redemption
You probably don't even know why Jesus was there on the cross
Here, read what is prophesied about the Messiah
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%209:6
>Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
>>75844777
OH SHIT NIGGA
TRIPS HAVE SPOKEN
