Hello fellow students and disciples of Christ.
Jews and Muslims both know who Jesus Christ was, yet willingly choose to refuse Him as Messiah. How can it work, or how can we coexist, if they refuse to accept Christ as Lord? What do, pol?
>>75701564
Save, slay, or enslave
>>75701564
"This religion I preach, you shall spread by the sword." - White Jesus, the First Protestant Christian
>>75701564
i dont know man, im starting to worry about it
how you can be saved so easy and yet nobody is believing in Jesus? i mean he said there was people who wont believe, but why?
>>75701564
If God was sending his Messiah shouldn't the religious leaders have recognized him? Obviously Jesus couldn't have been the messiah.
>>75701908
tfw eveyone's messiah is our antichrist
>>75701699
So pretty much do what the Muslims did?
>>75701564
"Acquire a peaceful spirit, and around you thousands will be saved." - St. Seraphim of Sarov
>>75701564
Since Christianity is a cuck religion, he wants you to obey the Jews and share your wives and daughters with the Muslims
>>75702327
this fucking cucks are on fire blaming Christ
>>75702231
Turbobased orthoman
>>75701564
I'm not a very good christen but I grew up in a religious household so I'll do my best to explain it the way I see it.
Christianity is all about trying to be as good of a neighbor as you can. It also states that there is a time for peace, and a time for war. Jews were peaceful for the most part(Yes I know they killed Jesus) and were easy to get along with(for the most part), they are the kind of people you turn the other cheek to as Jesus would say it.
Islam was formed by the False Prophet Jesus foretold before he died, a religion that undermined and twisted all of his teachings. For those of you that don't know, Muhammad was a warmongering pedophile who crucified and butchered people by the thousands. Muslims don't believe on compassion, empathy or coexisting with people who have differences. Muslims are the people Jesus would go to war with.
>>75701564
>>75701564
If they come to Christ, no problem
>>75702327
Nope read the Bible
>>75702734
More about having a relationship with Jesus
>>75701564
All white Christians are traitors to the white race
>>75703222
How?
>>75703132
It's too broad and vague of a topic, if Jesus wanted just one of his teaching to live on forever, it would be something involving treating your fellow man with compassion and respect.
Atleast that's my opinion
>>75703346
I mean your opinion is wrong read John 3 and 14. I'm not trying to be mean to you, but you need to make Christ your lord and savior, pray that God will save you
>>75703274
Arab religion created by Jews
>>75703798
Created by God, who used the Jews as a vessel to save his elect from condemnation, if anything he Jewed the Jews
>>75703222
You're wrong.
>>75701564
It is their problem. Do not try to convert them, you will fail. But be ready to protect yourself and christian fellows from them.
>>75701908
Well, that was exactly his plan. King of kings disguised as a vagrant. All what jews had to do is ignore his appearance and listen to his words as he spoke the truth. Most of them failed this simple task. Besides, most modern people would fail it as well.
>>75702878
They choose to deny Him. Muslims know who he is yet idolize the pedo. Jews believe the Messiah hasn't come
>>75704058
I convert no one, the Holy Spirit does that; all I do is share the Gospel
>>75701564
>tfw Pagan
>tfw I'll die before Iceland becomes a religious Christian majority again
FUCK
MONOTHEISTIC
SAND
RELIGIONS
>>75704132
I have no problem with messianic Jews (Christian Jews), But Islam is not compatible with western Civ, but Christian Arabs are alright
>>75702052
There's a difference between proselytizing by choice and by force. Guess which one Muslims do?
There is nothing in the bible that says you cannot defend the life of yourself, your family and your neighbors.
>>75701564
As long as they are not a threat, we leave them alone.
Threats are to be dealt with like normal, of course.
>>75704423
It's mandatory for a man to protect his family
>>75703222
Hi shlomo
Romans 12:19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
>>75704280
Jesus is Lord. He died and was resurrected so that you could be saved. Accept Christ and have eternal salvation.
>inb4 proof
>>75704645
Amen
>>75704486
are they not a direct threat to life in the West? We are goyim and infidels to them...
>>75704334
I hope you do realize the term "Messianic Jews" was term used back during, well, the Messianic Age. Before Christianity became its own religion all Christians were know as Messianic Jews.
>>75704799
I was talking about Jews who accept Christ as their Lord and savior
If Muslims and Jews know who Jesus is but reject him, the blame is obviously on Christians for not working hard enough to be good examples of Christlike behaviour.
>>75703999
Trips of lies, its always trips.
>>75705013
Not everyone who says they are Christian are
>>75701564
Sicut Judeas Non is the Medieval Catholic way of dealing with Jews
-Ban them from positions of power within society (government, military, police, education, media)
-Ban usury (their source of wealth)
-Confiscate rich jew money (if gained unfairly through usury and give back to the poor)
-Make blasphemy against Christianity illegal
-Make them wear ID that is easily seen
-Force them to live in ghettoes
But here is where the Nazis went wrong
You cannot harm a jew physically and you cannot force them to convert
>>75704952
Yes, now they are known as Christians, Messianic Jews are no longer a thing. Furthermore, please don't tell me about "Jews for Jesus" that is a hate group created to convert Judaism to another faith by making them feel bad for themselves, and to demean them.
>>75701564
>thread about christ
>posts picture of white dude
>>75704645
Jesus was shit. He died so his followers could destroy my culture. Fuck Jesus, hail Hvíti Guð.
>>75705315
>i miss raping and sacrificing children to the blood god
>>75705288
Is Jesus Christ your lord and savior?
>>75705162
>cannot harm a jew physically/force them to convert
Is this what Hitler did?
>>75705406
What's it to you?
>>75705300
eh, kind of looks brown to me. If he had blond hair and blue eyes then I'd see your point, kike.
>>75705788
Not Hitler, he wouldn't touch us because we are "dirty". He had his lackeys touch us, and, hey, it just showed how resilient we are. Maybe, we are roaches, and that's a damn fucking good thing.
>>75705798
It's important.
>>75705899
I thought he just wanted Jews to take their Jew practices back to their homeland.
>>75705922
No, he is not, and he will never be. I am a Zionist, I am a Jew, people have to deal with that, and if Judaism never diverged from Zorastrianism your little Psuedo-Jewish religion would never exist. You should thank us, and your JEWISH God that you even have a religion.
>>75706039
We had no more homeland, don't you remember, Constantinople? Byzantine?
>>75705402
There is no blood god, we're not Mexicans.
>>75706155
You do have to admit the Aztec blood god is fucking rad.
>>75706143
Israel?
>>75706072
Well I mean the Old Testament talks about a messiah, all through out from the Fall, Abraham and Isach, the sacrificial lamb, all of its there pointing to Jesus
>>75701564
Im thinking its like this.
We save them, if we can.
If they kill us for following Christ, then we wouldnt be the first.
>>75701564
>Jews and Muslims both know who Jesus Christ was
No, they don't know who he is. Show them who he really is and if they still refuse then move on.
>>75701871
Because when you take on faith you take on responsibility to follow the law.
Some prefer to be lawless
Its that simple
>>75701699
>White Jesus
Holy kek. You win.
>>75706288
"Israel" as we know it today wasn't established until 1948. We originally had 12 tribes, but they, with time, spread out to do their own thing. Historically, the entire land of Sinai, i.e. Israel, Palestine today was the original Jewish homeland. However, during the time of WWII that entire area was Islamic.
>>75704523
This..
If they kill us, pray for thier forgiveness with your last breath.
Thats a real Christian.
>>75706840
Self defense and serving your country are both biblical
>>75706552
Examples of how one could show them?
>>75706333
How can you be certain it was Jesus? According to the Tanakh, or the Old Testament in your views, not even the Messiah knows he's the Messiah until he has the vision of God, in my honest opinion Jesus of Nazareth was just like all the messiah claimers before him, however he was just better at public speaking. So, people bought into it.
>>75706143
Constantine was a traitor of Rome.
>>75706965
Muslims believe that Jesus was simply a prophet of God, and Mohammed was the true Messiah. We Jews believe the Messiah has yet to come.
>>75706788
So why is it that the Jews basically get kicked out or at least are not wanted by most societies? Adding the fact that they don't believe in Jesus Christ
>>75706465
>We save them, if we can.
No only Jesus can save, we are just simply servants of God and Followers of Jesus.
All glory belongs to the Lord.
>If they kill us for following Christ, then we wouldnt be the first.
>Matthew 16:25-26
>For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
>For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
>>75706987
Or He was actually the Messiah...
>>75707052
And that's why he formed Constantinople in what it today Istanbul, Turkey. He also was a devout Christian, which, at the time, was rare, however he was powerful enough to be an influence across the globe.
>>75706957
Sure. Jesus never told a soldier to stop being a soldier. But he also said those who live by the sword die by the sword.
The whole point is youre supposed to be preparing yourself for christs kingdom on earth after the times of revelation when he conquers death.
Things in this life dont matter enough to risk damming yourself. Pray for your enemies.
>>75706987
Jesus was a normal child until age 12
>>75707114
If not for Jesus, I would say religion was a plague...
>>75707123
I believe it mainly has to do with us for being a minority. People made up stories of the blood libel and well poisoning to scare people into believing that Jews ACTUALLY did this. Mind you, this all started to occur AFTER Christianity became the dominant religion.
>>75706987
Well we're are the other messiah figures now?
>>75707205
Hey, man, you believe what you want to believe, maybe, he was the messiah, whatever, that means we fucked up. What if he wasn't? Well, that means you were lied too. Religion is yes, about faith, BLIND faith, faith being worship without a cause or any factual evidence. I'm a Jew, and I simply believe he hasn't come. Can we respect each other on that?
>>75707469
Theyre waiting for the antichrist?
>>75707332
why do they leave such an important time of Jesus' life out of the Bible? Maybe the most important? As far as developing from child to man.
>>75707549
There is a description of his childhood, thats how we know he was like everyone else until age 12
>>75707338
Why so? Were you around for when there was only one monotheistic religion? No, you were not. Also, I don't believe you have been any other religion than you are now, neither have I. That being said, can't I also say, if it wasn't for Judaism I would think all religion is a plague?
>>75701564
we muslims accept jesus as messiah
we just dont see him as god because were not fucking retarded
>>75707469
Do you mean all the people claiming to be messiah?
>>75707338
Do you not recall what atrocities the Christians committed in the name of Jesus? Historical Christianity is no better than modern-day extremist Islam.
>>75707516
Sure. But what do you believe and practice if not believing in Christ and His message? Do you consider me goyim? Are you allowed to lie and say no, similar to taqiyya, in order to fool me?
Not trying to come across as offensive, I'm serious.
>>75707540
That's really funny as, for starters we do not believe in an evil deity, because God, takes the role as both Just and Unjust, why should he have anyone to oppose him, an omniscient, almighty, eternal being?
>>75706788
Yes and no. The Levant was high diverse, thoroughly heterogeneous. I went to college with a kid whose Palestinian parent was adopted and raised by a Jew. Then Zionism came in and ratcheted violent tribalism up to eleven. Before the Nakba there was no neighborhood that was all one thing. Same in Lebanon at the time of their civil war, every residential block was thoroughly mixed, then overnight they separated into zones.
>>75707241
I'm saved, and cannot lose my salvation John 10:28-30, so I'm not worried about damning myself, but I do seek to conform to Christ, the context for living by the sword was that those men were government officials serving an arrest warrant, so he is talking about raising a sword to the Government, which will lead you to death (Romans 13)
>>75707647
I know. i meant between ages of 13-30
>>75707692
Enjoy your hellfire next to your Jewish friends.
>>75707338
The guy offered a fact of the Jewish belief system and you, like many blind idiots just spewed your bs over it.
>>75707692
There is no biblical evidence for Jesus actually being God. The church teaches that, not the bible. In the bible, jesus is the first creation. There was conversation between God and the first. God was not talking to himself.
Muhammad is a dirty false liar for his own sexual profit.
>>75707733
Popes murdered thier own mothers. Mankind is imperfect
>>75707516
My Faith is more of a trusting Loyalty, not a Blind Faith
One of the 12 tribes of Israel, forgot the one. But their name started with an "N", they let everyone pour their way into their country, their identity was pretty much lost and their territory was full of Pagans. I'm sure there's a lesson to be learned there.
>>75707829
Its litterally in the bible
The abomination
>>75707549
It's called the Gospel, not a Biography
>>75707668
>Why so?
What is Islam? Why do Jews suck baby penis?
There's only 3 monotheistic religions right? Islam, Judaism, and Christianity?
>>75707780
Many of our Jewish practices are traditional, and are passed down for celebration, it's our culture. We celebrate the choice God made to release us from exile, and so on. "Goyim" is plural and "Goy" is singular, and it is not offensive, it just means someone who is not Jewish. Isn't Taqiyya Islamic, though? I'm sorry, but I do not know of any scripture to say that I should lie to anyone.
>>75707719
Yes prior to Jesus,
>>75707854
Yes, that is true, however I was referring to ancient Sinai 2000 to 3000 years ago.
>>75701564
mes·si·ah
məˈsīə/
noun
1.
the promised deliverer of the Jewish nation prophesied in the Hebrew Bible.
>>75707692
>accept jesus as messiah
>am muslim
Prophet muhammed probably is in Hell
>>75707862
Yes you believe. That doesnt mean youre free to do whatever with no reprocussion.
Taking on belief means taking on faith which means taking on responsibility to follow Gods law
Not everyone who calls out, oh lord
Will be saved
>>75707944
Read John 1
>>75708228
>WWII
>3000 years ago
>>75707893
no YOU enjoy hellfire, i HATE you, i will laugh when your skin will melt off and your guts spill out
>>75707944
so..we agree? lol
>>75707887
Im not sure desu senpai
>>75708052
I'm honestly, confused. Isn't it a sin to worship anything but God, and Jesus being a man wouldn't that be a sin? Or, do you believe he is God in, like, human form?
>>75707928
>Jesus came to fulfill Jewish prophecy
>Still practice Judaism
>>75706607
what law? Christians dont have to do shit
>>75708248
why would he be in hell? its WRITTEN CLEARLY in the koran he is the best character
>>75707944
>There is no biblical evidence for Jesus actually being God.
Sooo, according to the Bible, what was He on trial for?
>>75708139
True, but doesn't mean I don't want to know. I want to be able to teach my kids, hey, this is what Christ was doing when he was your age.
>>75708057
Yeah, that was Naphtali. Naphtali, I remember my grandfather stating was one of the Lost Tribes. I also heard a lot of Bukharian Jews here in New York claiming that they are the lost tribe. I don't know.
>>75708326
True, there are Goats in the sheeps pasture, and false converts exist, but once someone is truly saved, they cannot lose their salvation, but it's also not a liscence to sin>>75708412
>>75701564
>But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here andkill them in front of me. Luke 19:27
>Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bringpeace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34
>If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again. Deuteronomy 13:6-11
>>75708341
Seems i was wrong on that one
>>75708341
>>75708156
I mean, what are you going to do if God asks you why you denied His Son?
>>75708412
The Father, Son, Holy Spirit are one God existing in three persons,
>>75708104
The New Testament? Us Jews only follow the Tanakh (Old Testament). We only care about the present, not really the hereafter, as it is rarely touched upon. The closest thing to "Hell" is Gehinnom, which is more like a temporary purgatory to reflect about the things you could have done differently in life. Also, it boggles my mind how you Christian folk were taught to take the Bible literally. All us Jews were taught to take it allegorically. Meaning, not as a history book.
>>75703222
Absolutely checked.
>>75708549
There's plenty of stuff on honoring your parents
>>75708481
exactly why I said if not for Jesus, I would prob hate religion. Islam is not Christ like in nature. It promotes death and killing. Now slimes believe killing me will please their God.
>>75708821
you jews got it easy, i think every one of you who follow God will believe in Jesus as messiah in the 2nd coming and be saved
>>75708677
The first ones a parable, so it's not instructions
>>75708677
Are we quoting old testament because thats all void since Christ brought a new covenant with man.
Nobody should be stoning anybody today fyi
>>75708216
They either died of something, or were scoffed at. Jesus was the first person to actually pose a threat to the entirety of the traditions and religion of Judaism, that's why we "tattle tailed" to the Romans about him.
>>75708713
Yeah, but most people don't read their bibles, Jesus atoned for the sins of his believers, you need to repent
Muslims do accept Jesus (as) as the Messiah. Why are you ignorant?
>>75708821
Jesus was the fulfillment of your book, no? You just hate his guts and wanted to see him dead for "blaspheming". Murdered a man who only wanted us to love each other. Were happy to see Him die! But then he arose from the grave...
>>75708746
Honestly? I do not know. But, how can you be so certain that he wouldn't say "Why did you spread heresy that I HAD a son?" Honest question.
>>75709340
taqiyya. he's a faggot and i wish i could kill him before he kills me. muhammed was a pedo and he bows at the foot of the cross like everyone else.
Can we have a /rel/igion board now?
>>75709448
It's not a lie, look up "Jesus in Islam" on Wikipedia or read the Quran. You are obnoxiously arrogant and misinformed.
>>75708994
Easy? You can say what you please, I for one have it easy. My father, has it easy, his father, had it easy. We never have been physically in exile. But, please read Exodus, and Numbers to really see the strife that us Jews have suffered through.
>>75709384
Good question. Religion is crazy... Life is crazy. I just think, Jesus was said to be sinless.. I can't be sinless even if I tried. Jesus died for me and rose from the grave. idk, people went through great suffering in Jesus name.
>>75709340
They literally don't
>>75709114
It was all Gods plan, the Lamb of God had to die, so he could pay for the sins of the Elect, so I can't be mad at Jews for that
>>75709369
How can you be so certain this is what happened? The Talmud blasphemes Jesus, however the Tanakh was written a long time before Jesus, and it never said anything about him.
>>75709525
wait, so if you accept christ as messiah, why not as savior of your soul? what is the purpose of the sinful prophet muhammed?
>>75709655
Yes they do you bloody ignoramus.
>Jesus, is considered to be the penultimate prophet and messenger of God and al-Masih (the Messiah) in Islam[1][2]:30 who was sent to guide the Children of Israel (banī isrā'īl) with a new scripture, al-Injīl (the Gospel).[3] The belief that Jesus is a prophet is required in Islam
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam
>>75709549
You guys went straight to worshiping a Bull just as soon as Moses left.
>>75709549
you had God by your side all the time, that must be the best thing!
it's like you dont want to prove your worth or something, you need to polish the coal before finding the diamond
>>75709599
The same goes the other way around. Many people suffered under the name of "God" in Judaism. What is the name of God? Well, some of the common names were El Shaddai, Yahweh or YHVH, Elohim, and Ellah. Also, remember, this is also way before Christianity when many pagans from the countries North of Judah sought us dead.
>>75709008
The Christian States killed the heretics and only spared the atheists if they were quiet, this is fact not interpretation.
>>75709735
Nobody can save your soul except God, as recompense for your deeds. Islam rejects the notion that anyone can erase your sin. Rather, you can do good deeds and have firm faith and seek God's forgiveness, and God will forgive who He wills.
>>75709699
Who is the apostle paul?
>>75709689
Wouldn't you be mad if someone ran around telling everyone that what you believe in is wrong and that we should "believe" what he says? This is essentially what we believe Jesus to have done. Alas, we never would have really known what Jesus would have done, or what he did do, because we were not there.
>>75709962
I'm not a Catholic, but a Calvinist, state Christian isn't necessarily biblical
>>75709856
That's true, but that was before Torah was essentially established, there were no rules yet, no boundaries. And then Moses brought Torah.
>>75709902
I do have God on my side, and so do you, and our Muslim cousins. In Judaism, you don't actually have to be Jewish, or pray to my God to reach Olam Ha-bah.
>>75709699
do you believe in the teachings of the talmud?
>>75710068
Isn't he the official creator of the doctrine of Christianity?
>>75708450
We are supposed to guide others to Jesus.
>>75710080
Well there are historical records, Tacitus, Josephus, plenny the younger, etc. how do you explain the empty tomb
>>75710317
I read the Talmud as if it were a newspaper. It's stories of exalted rabbis saying of what they witness and what they believe.
>>75710208
So how does someone get their sins forgiven in Judaism
>>75710449
I'm honestly confused on what you're talking about. Did you mis-reply?
>>75709972
Jesus literally died and rose from the grave so that your soul could be saved. The bible teaches that good deeds do not earn you salvation. Salvation is a free gift.
>>75710562
Nvm
>>75701699
>"This religion I preach, you shall spread by the sword."
Blasphemous misinterpretation of his words.
Here's what he actually said:
>"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
And when he said "but a sword" he actually meant that his teachings of peace and love for your enemies would create a "cutting edge" between you and the natural ways of the world.
>>75710080
Paul was a Jew just like you, no? Who found the light of Christianity and converted?
>>75710585
Amen
>>75710502
does it not teach that goyim are less than animals and should be treated as such?
>>75710700
Not just a Jew, but a teacher of the law
>>75710659
That's one way to interpret it, if you're a faggoty, homosexual, gay faggot.
>>75710585
If that is so then why did he never say he was saving us from our sin? The idea that any person can intercede and remove the burden of your sins for you is rather nonsensical to me personally, no offense. Your sins are forgiven by God if you are worthy and deserving of forgiveness.
Don't Catholics and Orthodox teach good deeds as being necessary for salvation? Do you really think you can be a shitty person and do nothing good and be saved by some claim of faith?
Muslims and Jews should stay in their own countries.
>>75710554
We are told to open up to our family during the days before Yom Kippur, which is the Day of Atonement. We also have a ritual water-based purification, almost like the Christian baptism in which we partake during these days. We don't drench the entire body though, just the hands and feet. I'm sorry, I do not remember the official Hebrew name.
Lol your religion is a joke grow up
>>75710354
Where is it written? Remember, we are NOT disciples nor prophets. The Lord will get his people anyway. While the others are doomed since they were born. I personally do not consider aggressive cultists like jehovah witnesses as christians. They simply take on too much.
>>75710904
t. 17 year old redditor
>>75710842
if you are a true Christian you are doing the good deeds for love to Christ not for the salvation
>>75710700
Paul converted to Christianity. That was by his own free-will. God has no say in what any one person does. Paul spread his word, this is what he believes, and this is now what you believe.
How can you kristosfaggots think that there is one and only one messiah to save us? There are literally shit-tons of them in the Torah (which even though might not be law and canon for Christians, it is the history of your religion), even Cyrus was a messiah. Why must it be the end-times now? Why not think there will be messiahs for all the ages culminating in the arrival of Elijah? The messiah arrives near the end-times, that much is pretty clear. Jesus was signaling not the judgement day but the end of Roman power.
t. high and ranting.
>>75710842
They teach an unbiblical doctrine, Jesus paid for the sin debt of the elect, kinda like somebody paying a fine you can't afford, the bible teaches salvation by grace through faith eph 2: 8-10
>>75711120
nah man no one better than Jesus
even Moses failed at the end
>>75710800
I believe the Talmud states that, and the Talmud was written by hundreds of rabbis over multiple decades. Each rabbi, just like any other human has a differing opinion. Just because one person says it doesn't mean you have to believe it. A rabbi is no more holy than you or I.
>>75710846
Well, seeing as how we didn't have a country until a couple decades ago, that would mean you would have a whole lot of Jews every where, even more so than where they are now.
>>75710894
So if you commit a crime, and you have to pay a fine, will saying to the judge I washed be enough to get out of paying a fine.
>>75711074
So essentially you are saying that good deeds are necessary for salvation, but it is also necessary that they are done with the right intention?
>>75711086
He was hell bent on persecution of them till his Demascus experience
>>75710835
>That's one way to interpret it, if you're a faggoty, homosexual, gay faggot.
There's no interpretation. That's exactly what he meant.
Also, your response is clearly written by someone who is deeply, mentally troubled. Please seek help.
>>75710149
Calvin also quoted the Church Fathers and the love and respect principle should be for your brothers in the faith not for the ones who hate Jesus and the Trinity.
>>75711120
>Cyrus was a messiah
No he wasn't.
>There are literally shit-tons of them in the Torah
No there wasn't.
>>75711171
Those verses are not actually contradictory to the Islamic belief. You are forgiven by God if you are worthy, but your deeds are weighed by Him on the scale as part of the consideration. Your deeds to do not save you from the punishment, though; He does.
>>75711412
Absolutely not. We look at God as a forgiving yet punishing father. A Judge that "judges" laws can deem anyone guilty or not guilty, and they would have to pay. Just because there were Jews in a land full of Jews, doesn't mean there weren't rules.
>>75711477
God changes you when you are born again, your old self dies with the death of Christ. Baptism is a symbol of this Romans 6
>>75711240
Dust to dust. Moses was not a real person, most likely an amalgamation of those who led the Semites out of Egypt. Jesus was a man, an Essene, and who probably was not pleased that a Roman called himself the 'Son of God'.
>>75711611
So what
>>75711526
Paul believed he met the resurrected messiah, and because of this he was convinced to convert.
>>75711477
im saying that if you are with Christ, the good deeds come with him, you aren't thinking, oh i cant do this im going to hell, you aren't doing them cus you love Jesus
>>75701564
>Europe about to fall
>Still support Cuckstianity
Why haven't you all converted to a religion that doesn't want to put filth above your own people?
>>75711843
read the jew history book, Moses was one man
>>75711680
Heh. Look up the definition of messiah. Read about the word and idea 'Messiah'. Find out where it comes from. Isn't the original definition the most true?
then see pic here
>>75708233
>>75711843
Me being a Jew, I also do not believe that Moses was a real "person", however I do believe he was real multiple people. I believe that Moses was a title that us exiled Jews gave to a strong and fortifying leader. One to set rules, Torah.
>>75712064
Oh I have, but I am also a rational person.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses#Historicity
inb4
>wikipedia
>>75711709
If you are one of the elect saved by Jesus, all of your sins are paid for by Christs Atoning sacrifice, so there is no scale to weigh, if there was, everyone would go to hell
>>75712064
As I stated. We do not read the Tanakh as a history book, but an allegorical story book.
>>75711774
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.
>>75711936
I see.
>>75711742
But God is Holy and Just, so if you have sinned once against him, you are held accountable for that sin
>>75712103
Yes, brother. Read 'The Bible Unearthed', it is fucking amazing. When you start to see Abrahamism as nationalism, you can get a clearer picture of the entire process of the religions.
>>75712212
then you can say everything is allegorical, you dont believe in the word
>>75710842
jesus didn't say he came to erase our sin, brother. We are still sinners. He just paid the price so that we could live eternally. Just have to accept his sacrifice.
>>75709962
Luke 19:27 is the end of the 'Parable of the Ten Minas.' "As for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them before me." was said by the man in the parable.
Jesus did not "command that Jews be murdered."
What you posted is an interpretation of the parable by someone with an agenda to make Jesus look bad.
>>75712179
So you don't believe God forgives your sins, just that Jesus (as) saves a group of predetermined people and somehow him being crucified has something to do with this? That his burden of death somehow removes the burden of the sin of a few elect? I see. Is this Calvinism or what?
>>75712262
When your saved, the works you do are a sign of your salvation
>>75712357
I am primarily Ashkenazi as well. By Abrahamism, do you mean all three of the main monotheistic religions.
>>75711086
seems like a smart lad imo
>>75712490
I prefer reformed theology or the doctrine of grace, but essentially yes
>>75712444
So if I accept his sacrifice I can engage in whatever immoralities I desire with impunity?
>>75711250
you know who was holier than all of us, though? You guessed it. Christ Jesus.
>>75711582
You're a gay ass faggot m8
>that's what he meant
>no interpretation
wat
>>75711477
good deeds do not are not necessary for salvation. it is a free gift. just accept christ as lord and spread his gospel as well as loving your neighbors as yourself.
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
1 Corinthians 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
>>75712685
Nope God saves you, you don't do anything, and if you truly are born again, you will start to hate your sin, and strive to be like Jesus
>>75712353
I agree, Holy and Just, however, Just is also connected with its antonym Unjust. When someone who has sinned in Judaism goes to Gehinnom they are temporarily made to reflect upon their actions and look at what they could have done. After this they are resurrected to do as they reflected upon. God is our father, and a father doesn't throw you in a closet as punishment for all eternity.
>>75701564
"Jesus" (Yahshua) was an "anti-semite". That is why they killed Him:
Yahshua condemned the jews of his day in the strongest of terms, as literal "children of the devil", "full of hypocrisy and iniquity", and "children of hell" (Matthew 23).
Yahshua speaking to the jews:
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." - John 8:44
"Ye serpents, ye generation* of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?" -Matthew 23:33
*Note: "generation" in the above verse is from the Greek "gennema", literally meaning "offspring". Check for yourself in Strong's Concordance and a Hebrew and Greek Lexicon.
Harold Rosenthal was supposedly murdered for giving this interview in 1976 during which he boasted about how a group of jews are manipulating the stupid and gullible Goyim.
As with the Protocols of Zion, many jews claim that Rosenthal's interview is yet another hoax created by those mysterious and elusive "anti-Semites".
However, as with the Protocols of Zion, what Rosenthal says seems to be true, so hoax or not, it is important to look at it.
http://iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rosenthal.html
"We are god's chosen people . . . Most jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer - so I wasn't lying - and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive."
Harold Wallace Rosenthal - 1976-25.4
>>75712179
amen
>>75712616
Seems like a rational lad. However, he really did believe what he saw. That's where the rationality ends.
>>75712925
But that's what mankind deserves
>>75712701
That is your belief, and I disagree. We'll leave it at that.
>>75712875
So then it's just a matter of being "truly born again" which is by God's will and has nothing to do with your own actions or will?
>>75713135
Yep
In another thread, someone questioned me about why fapping was defiling. I prepared my reply, but the thread was closed.
For anyone interested:
How is masturbation defiling?
The physical act of masturbation is not defiling your body to the degree that perverse fantasies entertained while masturbating, and lusts of the flesh defile your mind/soul.
Romans 8:5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
Romans 8:13 for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Galatians 5:16-17 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.
Galatians 5:24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.
>>75713135
Eph 2:8-10
>>75713060
Eternity is fire and damnation? I'm sorry, but I can, in no way, agree with that. I am sorry.
>>75712685
if you actually believe in jesus and his message you wouldn't engage in impurities like that. You would still sin, because you have no choice. But you wouldn't kill women for showing skin or marry and impregnate children lol
>>75713254
If you can masturbate without lust, than it is not wrong
>>75701564
>Jews and Muslims both know who Jesus Christ was, yet willingly choose to refuse Him as Messiah
Because he is not Messiah, The Messianic requirements are very clear. Also do check Talmud.
Christians try to circumvent it with absurd word play "muh kingdom not of this world" etc.
There is a reason why Christianity became far more popular amongst Gentiles than the Jews. I would say had mormonism started in 15th century, it might have been accepted by the new world native masses but would still hold the obscure weird sect reputation in the old world.
In this was Christainty to Judaism is what Mormonism to Christianity. One weird ass sect.
>>75701564
>>75713254
In Judaism, masturbation is no more sinful as eating, or earning money. The loss of one's seed, is sad, but it does come back. The Jewish people are just upset because what could of one of those sperm cells become?
>>75713272
there is no punishment at all if hell is temporary followed by eternal blessedness
>>75713201
I see. Thanks for taking the time to explain.
>>75713272
Well I mean the truth doesn't conform to opinions. I wouldn't be a Calvinist if that were the case
>>75713124
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." - John 8:44
"We are god's chosen people . . . Most jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer - so I wasn't lying - and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive."
>Harold Wallace Rosenthal
>>75713428
Can you masturbate without entertaining perverse thoughts or lusting after the flesh?
>>75713448
What is your religion Turkish brother. Here in New York, I know a couple Turkish Jews. I'm just curious.
>>75713482
if you can jack off without being lustful then you are good. i don't think that's possible though.
>>75701564
Qaddafi - Why did we kill this guy?
Beause he defied the jew banks and built his own near perfect banking/money system that primarily benefited his people and deprived the stinking jews of their customary usury tribute.
That's why. Anyone who claims anything different is either a lying jew or a lying jew lover.
Libya Truth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek
>>75713508
No, Gehinnom, yes, while temporary doesn't mean afterwards you get eternal blessedness. You a resurrected again to fix your mistakes. Furthermore, one does not get into Olam Ha-bah on the first, second, or even third try, it could be hundreds of times.
>>75713529
Maybe God is calling you, maybe your part of the elect, if you feel the Holy Spirit moving you, you need to get on your knees, ask God to give you a changed mind, and put your trust and loyalty in Jesus Christ
>>75712579
Yes. Judaism is pretty clear in that regard. The genealogy connects the diverse semitic tribes of Canaan as one people. Their culture was based on survival amongst great empires in all directions. Christianity is less obvious: before his time there was not a sense of cosmopolitanism anywhere. The Torah is extremely tribalistic because it was written in an extremely tribalistic time. Why do you think you see Jews conquering Canaan but also swearing "Thou shalt not kill"? By the time of Yeshua ben Yosef, half a millennium had passed since the Torah was finalized. It was very clear to him and everyone that the laws of Yahweh were meant for the Israelites only, but surely there is some way that the heathens could pseudo-worship Yahweh, right?
>>75713537
I'm sorry if this is off topic, but what is the general viewpoint on Calvinism?
>>75713646
That's the problem with it, and the point I was making
>>75701653
Natural selection
>>75702734
Since 1913, jews have stolen the wealth of America, Germany, and the west in general through their usury, treachery, terrorism, and falsified victimhood.
Israel is a rogue terrorist state, which threatens to destroy the rest of the world with its illegal nuclear arsenal if it doesn't get its way.
It was founded on terrorism, is run by a group of soulless inbred megalomaniacs, and is ultimately responsible for all of the terrorism in the world today.
It is also behind the "multiculturalist" movement whose primary goal is the genocide of the white race.
Also 911.
The Samson Option - How Psychopathic Megalomaniacs Blackmail The World With Nuclear War:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq1-oFjuPeI
Norman Finkelstein "Israel Is A LUNATIC State!!":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6weY6FxyEhI
Barbara Lerner Spectre and jewish implementation of multiracial multiculturalism in the Europe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Vq_e2Z1ug
911: An Israeli Operation from Start to Finish...:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itBeud9Cqoc
Fuck jews, and fuck Israel. I wish them both a speedy demise.
>>75713612
"And the Nachash said unto the isha, Ye shall not surely die" - Bereshis 3:4
>>75713997
Ah, then we are in agreement.
>>75713830
Not what I was told, because with masturbation, comes lust. It's completely fine, and normal. Any rabbi would say the same.
>>75701564
He wants you to kiss and wash their feet.
