>be jew
>Go to FB
>See the dumb " Scientist Are Now Saying the Trauma May Be Encoded In The Genes of Black People"
>Check name of the scientist
>Rachel Yehuda
>YEHUDA
G-guys, i-it's not funny anymore...How can I get them to stop? I don't want anything to do with any of this...y-you wouldn't hurt me, would you goy-kun?
You will be fine
No of course not heh heh heh... No hard feelings at all *rubs hands jewishly plotting while revenge*
>>75621493
Trauma is passed down through the generations didn't you know? That's why it's so hard for natives to get their shit together, because the white man stole their land all those years ago. It's SCIENCE anon, you wouldn't go against FACTS now would you? I shit you not they teach us this at my school
>>75621708
>they are actually trying to bring back Lemarxkianism
what a strange new world we live in
niggers
>>75621675
But I don't want any of that goy-kun :( I don't know why my ppl do it I swear
>>75621493
You Jews says the same crap about the holocaust. You aren't better.
It's just victim card bullshit
>>75621708
If that's the case, then why aren't Slavs committing a disproportionate amount of crime? Why aren't Germans going "We demand reparations due to Viking invasions"
Dindu's are trying to find excuses, and my people are doing their damned best to provide it for them. I'll be damned if I know why.
>>75621971
I don't goy-kun, in fact when Germany announced paying reparations to survivors I argued against it, because people alive aren't responsible for things random people in the past did.
>>75622064
Just read your Talmud, Chaim. It's all in there.
>>75622132
Good. Now.
Jews need to pay reparations now to Germany for attempted genocide.
>>75622190
I really couldn't care less (and honestly don't know) what the Talmud says, goy-kun.
>>75622244
Flawed logic goy-kun, same fallacy as those dindus are committing. You're better than this.
>>75622296
Fucked up the grammar there, was busy eating. You probably got what I meant.
>>75622296
Perhaps you should look into the driving force of your people for the last 2 millennia such as these gems.
Sanhedrin 59a
To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.
Libbre David 37
A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.
>>75622515
You're assuming that all of us follow the book word by word, goy-kun. I don't even know what "Sanhderin" and "Libbre David" are.
>>75622296
Cultural marxism.
When is Germany getting east Prussia back?
>>75622515
Can I just point out, I find it hilarious that the average person in this board can recite way more stuff from both the Koran/Torah than the average Muslim/Jew.
In fact I'm not sure if I could recite any at all.
>>75622703
I honestly don't know why and heavily hate that my people have fallen for the Marxism meme goy-kun, it's poisoned their minds.
>>75622638
And here you are calling us goy. Keep playing stupid, kike, then kill yourself.
>>75622782
It's a joke goy-kun, don't be so harsh. It's to go with the origins of this website. I thought /pol/ out of all could take a joke.
>>75622782
May I add that I've never even heard the word "goy" outside of this board ever, and only people here use it. I asked my parents and they had no idea what it meant.
>>75622871
Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b
When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves.
Tosefta, Tractate Erubin VIII
When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it.
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156
If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth.
>>75621785
>the emancipation of women
I'm at a loss for words about how fucking entitled this stupid cunt is/was
>>75622776
You're not a Jew. Quit larping.
Americans didnt trust German American translators in world war ii. So they used jews fleeing germany who fled to america instead to translate. These jews became torturers in occupied germany extracting false confessions by exploding testicles in a vice.
The atrocities against Germans go on and on...
>>75621493
>Jews being paid to say shit like that
>paid
If you pay them more they will shill for you instead.
>route s
>>75622934
I'm sure. I've never heard the word nigger before /pol/. I asked my parents and they didn't know either.
>>75623094
Hahaha I'm not larping at all. You just assume that every jew is as devout and cult-ish as the guys with the funny hair styles you see on TV.
>>75623136
Bad analogy. The word is not even used by anyone that isn't some kind of mad ultra-religious cunt or some marxist author.
>>75623248
How about toehead?
wow op was it your first time witness the jews jew?
don't you watch tv at all?
Looks like Lysenkoism is making a comeback.
Science be rayciss n sheeeeiiitttt.
>>75623248
So you're an atheist jew but cultrally and genetically Jewish?
>>75621493
I damn for not public calling your people out like Bobby Fischer had the balls to.
because I will say openly
Fuck the Irish, papist cock sucking socialist cucks
>>75623391
>toehead
literally what?
>>75623400
No not my first obviously goy-kun (I'll keep using it cause it pisses the mad kid off), but for a while I just dismissed it as a joke. Every time there was some rampant cuckoldry I'd send it to some of my jew friends and go "LOOK AT THAT LAST NAME, EVERY TIME"
It was a joke for the longest time, at this point I'm not sure. I legit feel like something is up, but I don't know what.
>>75623511
Irreligious? Yes. Atheist? No. And whether you believe me or not, a lot of us are like this. I haven't been to a synagogue since I was 13.
>>75621493
If you aren't an elite you're essentially a goy.
>>75621493
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsD8yCcCZ5Y
>>75623602
The hierarchy fucks us over. People don't even seem to think that much about it, do they.
Take Europe for example. One of two things will happen:
A - Eurabia, in which case we're (the non elite/rich ones) are royally fucked
B - Whites finally decide that they had enough, and the backlash will not be pretty. Again, we're fucked. I hate the globalist/marxist kikes WAY more than you do mate.
>>75623694
Again, no idea why a lot of my people fell for that meme.
The other day I met this Jewish girl on my Math tutorial. Checked her up on Facebook and the first two things I saw were Bernie Sanders memes and shopped """""funny"""" Marx pictures.
I was like "of course..."
Don't hate yourself OP.
Just adapt to the situation, and use your position to help and do what is best.
I plan on marrying a Jewish woman and becoming a Freemason.
>>75623596
*towhead
Jews use it as a derogatory term against blond people. Why do I know how to be a better Jew than you?
>>75623804
You didn't watch the video niga.
Why they fell for it... Babylonian Talmud bro.
>>75621493
You're a Jew. You're the eternal enemy. We will never forgive the amount of lies and deceit you have harvested this past century.
You stand in the way of beauty and greatness.
You will be removed.
>>75623400
Jews have tribal loyalty that makes the SS look like feminist conference deciding on the colour choices for their flyers.
Everything they do is pro jew, one thing we should really learn from them.
>>75621493
>kikes being kikes
Who is even surprised anymore?
>>75623712
holy fuck I'm bad with the grammar today, excuse my misuses guys.
>>75623824
I don't hate myself, I hate socialists/marxists/globalists/white guilt faggots/white genocide advocates. It's stupid that there are so many jews advocating those in positions of power. I want them removed.
>>75623874
Apologies my friend, internet slow tonight so I can't load vids really.
>>75623848
KEK mate, everyone on /pol/ knows how to be a better jew than the average jew.
>>75623943
And how's your logic any different that SJW's going "WHITE PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM, YOU'RE CRUEL EVIL BLABLABLA AND ALL OF YOU ARE GUILTY FOR SLAVERY"
Not all of us want to see Western civilization die (most don't), and certainly not me.
Also
>Argentina talking shit
>>75621785
>>75621675
>>75621493
Fucking Jews.
>>75623596
if you jews want to preserve your kind you guys need some movement within your jewish community against the batshit crazy jews in power. but i doubt it will happen because your rich charities always back you up. if i was a rich jew i'd go full nazi and expose every dirty jew there is and then went to live on some isolated island in the pacific with an asian chick
It's in our genes, man. I'll help the whites towards the great day of the rope and then put myself in the very last gas chamber.
>>75624050
You carry filth in your genes, just like niggers carry stupidity, and chinks carry soullessness
You will be removed.
>>75624020
Not really mate, only the super devout ones are like that. I don't like those guys at all, and most ppl I know don't either.
>>75624074
I KNOW senpai, I wish I could stop them.
>>75624102
How? I want to stop them, but who's gonna listen
>>75624157
>just like niggers
>ARGENTINA
>implying implicit implications
>>75624142
Nah dude. I find jews very obnoxious in general yes, but there are the rogue ones like you and I against the status quo. Don't hate yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEAmtWd6aD0
>>75621493
Now it's infinite shekels, the death of all "Holocaust " victims won't end the freebies
>>75621493
So the study says blacks are genetically butthurt.
Means we cant treat them as equals as we need to respect their feelings.
Like retards
So black = retarded.
Good job leftists, so clearly progressive
>>75624050
While I don't like Jews, I've come to embrace what the big Jews are doing. Eventually all of the fucktards, the little Jews included, will be mixed slave mud people with no history or enough intelligence to resist. All they're really doing is making people like us stronger. We're able to see through their plans and once it's all said and done we'll be the only ones standing to inherit the Earth.
>>75624298
Did you see my other posts? I argued against this and any other reparations for past events. It's not morally right.
>>75624299
I mean the IQ thing was known for a while, what this does is solidify their victim card. Don't be surprised if some dindu retards use slavery as an excuse for murder.
>>75624354
I disagree, I don't think they'll ever have their way. People are already waking up, which is kinda scary because they don't know the difference between those big guys and people like you and I. We'll all be treated the same, and it won't be pretty.
>>75621785
Bullshit.
Just Newton alone makes up for everything.
Anyone seen the top comments btw? They're suggesting that whites have evil and "slave master" thingy in their genes. They're dehumanizing whites to feel better about wrongdoing them. This has to stop.
>>75624554
Agreed.
>>75623712
>Eurabia, in which case we're (the non elite/rich ones) are royally fucked
This is madness, yet few Jews in Europe say a damn thing about it - in fact I don't know one that has even voiced slight concern..
>hurr durr racist be paranoid jew haters
>>75621493
Just don't be like the rich Jews.
They aren't powerful because they're Jewish, in religion or race, but because of nepotism and making themselves seem like victims.
>>75624608
Dutch Jews ran the slave trade, and Jews and freed blackshad the highest levels of slave ownership
>nice try tho
>>75624159
>how
I have no Idea. I know some Jews IRL and most of them would rather be silent about the whole jewish question in public although they talk about it within their circles. They like their live stiles and never take a hard job, that means they don't want any big changes.
>well you can also troll them on google+ or fb
>>75624666
Because the rich ones will be long gone before it even begins, use your head. The secular ones aren't vocal, you wouldn't hear anything they said.
>>75624761
I do.
>>75624756
eh, kinda silly. Would you assume that every Christian would follow the bible word for word? People lie, no one needs an excuse for it if they're going to.
>>75624233
>>75624142
I've met Jews like you before. In the end, you'll embrace your identity as Jews, because you will *never* be, or feel, white. In the end, you'll secretly back Israel, promote your degenerate agenda, and give a fuck-all about true art (and that's not Da Vinci, by the way -- something your Jewish mind will never grasp).
In the end, I know we'll inevitably face off against each other. Just know that a white man had the greatness to predict this... and not a Jew.
>>75624877
>Anecdotal example
Seriously Argentina, no one cares.
Also you're not white stop trying.
>>75624463
No, they won't have their way, but everything they're doing is waking up normal white people. There'll be a schism of the white race eventually and that's when our new cycle of civilization starts.
You on the other hand... I would go to Israel. There will be a lot of hate towards your people. It's already on the rise and with their intensify campaign it'll only get worse. This is all part of the Zionist strategy to get the Diaspora to go to Israel though. Anti-antisemitism is their most ingenious tool.
Read this. http://www.truetorahjews.org/naziismzionism
>>75624969
I don't wanna go to that shithole. Israelis are the most pushy obnoxious people you'll ever meet.
How do I get off this ride
>>75624962
Who said it's an anecdote? The very winds of time whisper of such things, if one has but the time to listen, and the eyes to see...
>>75625088
Time whispers much, it is up to you to repeat it or not. I refuse to let the cycle happen. This MUST be stopped before it gets ugly.
>>75625059
Perhaps we'll never live to see that day but it seems to be coming.
>>75625183
>Perhaps we'll never live to see
I hope not. Society is imploding mate, and it won't be pretty.
>>75621493
It's not just the blacks, you know?
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/21/study-of-holocaust-survivors-finds-trauma-passed-on-to-childrens-genes
>>75624969
>I would go to Israel.
Well that's fucking stupid. Why would anyone go from a place that doesn't have bus bombings to a place that does?
>>75625306
BULL
FUCKING
SHIT
What's to be gained from all this? So fucking what if it's "passed on trauma" or some bullshit? All this is doing is dividing society.
People alive today will not be held guilty for actions of random people in the past (I can't even say ancestors, because less than 4% of whites were slave owners).
Wake me up inside
>>75625546
This desu senpai
>>75621493
>trauma gets passed down by ancestors
>It's genetics goy
>be European, 2000 years ago
>constant rape and pillage all over Europe
>1000 years later
>continent became a bit more civilised
>still rape and war everywhere
>can't go from town to town without some bandits putting a arrow in your father's/husbands throat, raping you brutally and looting everything
>this continues for a few hundred years
>after that rape and violence gradually go down and wars and conflicts become somehow rare
>some of you emigrate
>fast forward a few hundred years
>people say niggers and injuns behave like scum cause they had their land taken away or their great great grandfather got whipped 300 years ago
>burst into tears when you realise the "white devi" meme is real
Feelsbadtobewhite.jpg
>>75625561
When will the whites pay for their sins???
>>75625546
>>75625574
Anyone remember the 1940's? How about the Alhambra Decree? The other hundred places you all have been kicked out of?
>>75621493
It's actually true, proven by torturing lab rats.
>>75625746
GERMANY YES
>>75625771
>sins of our fathers meme
Never.
>>75625868
A - Do you think niggers actually understand the science behind this
B - It will be narrated in a way that ONLY blacks will claim benefits, even though literally every ethnicity on this planet has gone through insane hardships that could be passed on as "trauma". Any knowledge of history would help, but then again dindus don't read.
>>75624877
What art do you mean? I've always thought they are this way because they're incapable of creating beauty. They lack the depth of conscious and soul, therefore they corrupt or destroy.
>>75626081
>they're incapable of creating beauty. They lack the depth of conscious and soul, therefore they corrupt or destroy.
You've been on /pol/ too much
>>75626081
Can you name a Jewish artist that isn't in the film industry? I can't. I would hardly call making cuck porn and anti-white propaganda art, though.
>>75626282
Hollywood does suck, but that's a really silly projection. There's gotta be some jewish artists that aren't J J Cuckrahams.
>>75626282
No, there's some. Think of the old songbook and old school music of Goldwin and Irving Berlin. But I mean to say I don't know of any Pietas or last suppers inspired by the Jewish religion.
>>75621493
There is definitely a sizeable proportion of Jews who are smart enough to realise that the typical Jewy behaviour is actually bad for Jews long term. I remember reading about an old Jewish BBC executive who took a lot of flak because he came out on the side of Nazi Germany in some internal debate and justified it by saying "guys you really need to calm the fuck down here". I wish I could remember that guy's name now. But there's also Moldbug, Leo Strauss, Weininger, Gilad Atzmon and plenty more Jews who have noticed this and the reason they exist is the reason I refuse to write Jews off.
>>75621493
Get an irreversible visectomy.
>>75621493
>trauma encoded in their genes
>they are literally, unironically, seriously genetically inferior
>mfw
>>75626702
My kids will NOT become like that. I'll die before my kids are commie retards.
>>75626529
Oh a sane one, how's your day been mate?
I'm not as nice as you are. I want all those cultural marxist jews in positions of power prosecuted and made examples of.
>>75626784
They won't notice the irony.
>>75626891
How old are you?
>>75626973
21, why? If it's the English, my grammar's just not up to par today I don't know why
>>75626081
To name a few:
Caspar David Friedrich (the greatest example)
Arnold Boecklin
Carl Gustav Carus
Charles Marie Bouton
It is as you say. There will never be Jew artists such as those I mentioned, for the Jew comprehends not beauty. At most, he only understand beauty in the most basic sense of technical skill (Da Vinci, pre-Rafaelites), but it's the themes the artists I mentioned portray what makes them stand out: they know what is beautiful to paint, and what is not.
>>75621493
Yeah, it's called epigenetics. If you're depressed or suffer trauma your kids will be depressed. Maybe L Ron Hubbard was right with the thetans stuff, it was just a metaphor for the accumulated trauma of humanity.
>>75627436
What I don't get is, what's the implication here? What do they want us to do about it?
>>75621564
Yep, he will be completely fine.
>>75627564
Eat each other
>>75626891
I don't blame Jews for rolling with it and riding the wave of victimhood, self-aggrievement and degeneracy. If it's profitable for them then when shouldn't they milk that shit for all its worth. I just see their pre-eminence as a sign that Westerners have basically taken their eye off the ball and give up. yeah, it doesn't exactly make things easy when you have Jews relentlessly working overtime to spread all manner of insane shit into our public discourse, feminism and "homophobia" e.g. are literal direct Jewish inventions, but I'm pretty much with Nietzsche on this one and if those things are strong enough to take us down, then we were gonna fall anyway.
>>75621675
With Jews you win.
Only Jews get Walls with Gun Turrets
>>75621493
Could be an anti-jewish person trying to pretend to be jewish to make jews look bad.
(also i'm not jewish)
>>75621708
>>75621971
It can be passed down if the parents traumatizes their own children with their pain.
>>75622244
Right
>>75622296
On one hand you talk about trauma and history as not being correlated.
Then suddenly you label people as dindus when its about your own group.
>Its fine that non-collectivist individualized
>Westerners are harmed because our made up
>God tells us that we are superior.
To be fair, killing and torturing people in
Concentration camps is much more severe
Than letting in migrants that rape and in some
Instances kill.
>>75621493
Even Hitler had Jewish officers. You'll be fine.
>>75621493
epigenetics is real and if you're a race realist you should believe. Epigenetics can not only explain differences between individuals, it also explains some racial differences. There's even evidence that some differences between humans and chimpanzees are epigenetic
>>75627564
i honestly just think they're pushing the idea that "past trauma is real and must be atoned for" because they know it's a dynamic that also works well for them. if people accept that, then it's only a hop skip and a jump away from bawwww deposit ur shekels into my bank account cuz muh 6 trillions.
or maybe softening white people's guilt centres by appealing to how badly blacks have had it keeps the goyim supple and malleable, i honestly don't even fucking know
>>75626282
Mark Rothko, Andy Warhol, Morton Feldman, Marc Chagall, Sol Lewitt, Amadeo Modigliani Peter Silberman, Paul Simon....
>>75627643
Just like people got fed up of political correctness with Trump, so too will the people get fed up of Jewish shilling. Give it another hundred years or so, senpai, the shadow WWII casts is still long and dark.
>Rachel Yehuda
>ethnic version of "Judas"
She probably got 30 silver pieces for her scientific work.
>>75627801
>mentioning all that filth
This was hopefully sarcastic, but this is 4chan after all
>>75627667
Yes......
With jews you lose
Around jews always question the news
With jews behind your backs, never relax
>>75627815
problem now is that whatever extent Germany went after Jews during WW2 all they basically did was murder the stupid retarded Jews who were dumb enough to stay behind, which almost certainly had a direct selective pressure of increasing the average IQ of the next generation of Jews.
if you look at it like that, Nazi Germany was basically just a giant eugenics program for augmenting Jewish intelligence.
so any way of suppressing the eternal Jew from now on has to be something that's probably been thought through a little more
>>75627801
>Andy Warhol
>Paul Simon
Never heard of any of the rest. Must not be all that great...
>>75628000
>being this much of an absolute pleb
>being proud of it
nowthatswhaticalltheusa.jpeg
>>75627801
>Andy Warhol,
Christian you dumb arse
Isn't this a dangerous precedent, just throwing pseudoscience shit out like that? It's not like theyre going to peddle gene therapy for this. And while we're at it, why not revisit Shockley and Watson's research?
>>75621708
In my school they teached us that we should actually praise Judah as our Lord for he "intentionally" betrayed Christ (and took a bunch of shekels in the meantime woops) so the prophecy of the Old Testament would be fullfilled... I shit you not. The teacher also stated that the Jews didn't actually hate Christ but they were manipulated by the authority at the time.
And when I raised my hand to ask questions like: "okay, but why did he then take them shekels?", "if Jews of today know that they were deceived back then, why don't they finally recognize Christ as their Messiah?", aand she just replied with: "I don't have an anwser."
>>75621675
Hitler would have prevented this if we had just listened
>>75628356
John 8:44 is very clear about the nature of the Jews:
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."
>>75621493
>See the dumb " Scientist Are Now Saying the Trauma May Be Encoded In The Genes of Black People"
Huh... you're doing the same thing about the hoaxacost
Why are you fuckers so hypocrite
>a fucking leaf
>>75628522
And John 8:42
"Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me."
But bad goy!! Jews cannot ever be blamed for anything, did you forget that?
>>75627643
You can also look on the current degeneracy as Hitler's revenge.
Every point he made has been proven. Without NS, Bolshivism will win as liberal democracy is too weak to resist the basically religious levels of hard left commitment.
Jews see their program as essentially leftist but we understand it as pro jew. Its the reason they are now allies with muslims in Europe and have generally helped leftist niggers in the US.
I think some are smart enough to look objectively at what this will lead to, not sure if they have much influence though.
>>75621785
>the white race is a cancer
>what? move to a brown country? but they're all shitholes
>>75628522
>>75628674
Just read this now and:
> The Jews answered him, “Aren’t we right in saying that you are a Samaritan and demon-possessed?”
>“I am not possessed by a demon,” said Jesus, “but I honor my Father and you dishonor me. I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the Judge."
If anybody has read Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthey this quote is pretty insane.
>>75621493
>BE JEW
>see this thread
>oy vey the cana cluck betrayed us
you will be seeing orthodox jews near you're house/apartment to come and take you goyim
>>75629178
because whites invaded them with dank imperialism. now all whites will be held down and fucked in the ass to extinction.
YFW it's actually true. Epigentics (mostly methylation changes on DNA) can be inherited. Blaming your struggles on epigenetics is asenine though. It would be the saming their lot in life was due to being born with black genes.
>>75629442
>>75627797
Probably a ploy to get people to fully focus on the emotional aspects and not balance it with logic when looking at the subject. It's a form of manipulation to get people to feel and then react vs seeing info, thinking about it, deciding how you feel about it all then acting accordingly
>>75621493
Hello Jewbro, Mischling here. I know this is hard to accept, but they're never going to stop. It's why the Menorah is still a symbol -- it's the eternal hatred of non-Jews. It's an ancient hatred, and it's encoded in the religion -- if not the DNA, if anything this bitch says is even remotely accurate.
I've renounced my Jewish heritage completely. I'm a Christian, I will live and die in Christ. And I've learned a great deal about fascism and national socialism with the help of the evil librarians of /pol/.
The only way to redeem what our people have done is for us to become more Nazi than the Nazis.
>>75622064
>I'll be damned if I know why.
This is what Jews have always done: use other minorities as their proxies against the majority of whatever country they're subverting.
>The Talmudic basis of Jewish supremacy
https://youtu.be/CEAmtWd6aD0
>Noel Ignatiev
https://youtu.be/BOyBO-ts20c
>Barbara Lerner Spectre
https://youtu.be/oZ1BRHBErH8
>Jewish Supremacism
https://youtu.be/w1SmKle95MU
>Miscegenation illegal in Israel
https://youtu.be/5NdQXOPARWI
>Jews push immigration to white nations
https://youtu.be/XpnYpQaHAuc
>>75629840
>The only way to redeem what our people have done is for us to become more Nazi than the Nazis.
Andrew Aurenheimer intensifies
>>75621493
Or maybe male/female genital mutilation, and being raised by/being around niggers traumatises them younger then the age group the studies were done on. Anyone who had to suffer through public school most likely know how traumatising it is to be aroung stupid people, and nigger have like 70IQ average, and they have that at home too, so this is not a shocker, and that some jew tries to spin the study to push the victim narrative for blacks is not surprising either.
