>"Ah need mah AR-15 so ah can over-trow the gubbmint!"
Do you gun nuts even hear yourselves? Why won't you support COMMON SENSE gun regulation?
>>75599134
SHALL
I don't have a vagina.
>>75599134
Dindu with a criminal record can't buy guns legally, the man behind the counter would not sell to him. Horsey is so full of shit.
>>75599134
>posting the edit
Horsey didn't sell his soul for this shit.
>horsey
Fuck off
Saged
Time to redpill you idiots on statistics
>>75599134
Has anyone done a nigger edit of this one?
You can't otherthrow the government... So what? May aswell make it harder for them
>>75599134
Even if I wanted to ban them, the second amendment specifically says that it shall not be infringed. I don't think that it even says that for basic rights like freedom of religion.
>>75599677
how many nig nogs Merca got?
>>75599643
Not a single one of those statistics is a valid argument for more 2nd amendment restrictions.
>>75599677
that's because they just get knifed instead
>>75599784
We've always been able to get guns in IL, just not in Chicago. Luckily the Supreme Court struck down that ban
>>75599223
NOT
>>75600157
Educate yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj_3M_RvKVY
A hostile, tyrannical government can't suppress an armed civilian populace.
US army has been beaten by rice farmers in Asia, goat fuckers in Afghanistan and camel jockeys in Iraq.
And every nation on the Earth would recognize the legitimacy of an insurrection and be sending them aid the second the internationally-condemned illegitimate government in Washington began deploying Death Squads from their allies in Saudi Arabia and narco cartels in Mexico and bombing "their" nation into submission.
That's the purpose of gun ownership. Tyrants can't oppress guerrillas. The Revolutionary War against England was a guerrilla, terrorist war. And it WORKED.
>>75599677
>does not include northern ireland
haha oh fuck
>>75600104
WELL REGULATED
>>75599391
>dindu
I think you need glasses, m8.
>>75599134
>horsey cartoons
>>75599828
Do you know what constitutes a militia?
What makes it different than the standing military?
Do you know that militias are hastily thrown together in times of crisis?
Do you realize that would be hard to do if citizens didn't already have their own firearms?
Are you starting to understand why the 2nd amendment explicitly states that every citizen has the right to bear those firearms?
>>75599134
HHEYE YTEHAT REALLY MAKES ME THINK UHUHUHUHUHUHU
>XDXDX
>>75599134
I AM SILLY
>>75600104
INFRINGED
>>75600354
WELL REGULATED it's not some rag tag group that gets thrown toegether you stupid peace of shit
>>75599932
>right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
I doesn't say anything about how many, or what kind. If everyone is allowed a handgun, their right to keep and bear arms is not infringed.
>>75599134
Really makes your neurons fire.
>>75599134
>what is gorilla warfare
can you go back to the UK or some shit you coward cuckold
>>75599134
The manufacturing and sale of weapons needs regulated.
It has nothing to do with "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" because that's only the ownership of.
There's an easy way to refute retards against gun control.
Do you own a rocket launcher? Do you own a nuke?
You don't need an AR-15 either.
>>75599828
>"What is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.”
>George Mason, co-author of the 2nd Amendmnet
Listen up.
I don't care what Hillary has promised when she is president. There won't be any new federal gun regulations.
Want proof? Look what happened after Sandy Hook. Maryland and Connecticut created some new restrictions. In response, 10 other states relaxed restrictions! Not exactly an American Port Arthur.
If shooting 20 children won't cause major reform, what do you think will?
/thread
>>75600238
>Watch something I believe and agree with me
Fuck you, faggot.
The only education anyone needs is reading the fucking amendment.
It's plain as day and for good reason.
You commies won't subvert it, no matter how hard you try
>>75599134
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IULSD8VwXEs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZrcR3guGG0
>>75599134
Constitution tells you to go fuck yourself faggot
You don't like it get the fuck off our clay
>>75600396
I laugh at your sillyness
>>75600313
Dindu's can be white or black, niggers come in all colors, just so happens most of them are black. We found the rare white unicorn dindu, but the same holds true, when a fire arm is purchased even at a "guns show" it goes through a federal background check at all FFL dealers.
>>75600608
Shooting ALL the children.
Give it time. It'll happen.
>>75599643
Yes, stricter gun control laws mean less deaths by FIREARMS, but what is fails to take into account is that a lot of the people killed in red states are criminals. The gun control state's firearms deaths are all committed BY THE CRIMINALS shooting up the place.
>>75600428
It is exactly that.
As far as the Constitution states, I am my own well regulated militia.
Prove I'm not, within the bounds of the Constitution.
God, you're retarded
>>75600493
>>what is gorilla warfare
I don't know. Maybe you should ask the good folks of Cincinnati?
>>75600608
Kill forty! Eighty! Six million!
>>75599134
>You can't overthrow the goverment with your guns so you may as well ban guns
>Makes a petition on change.org to overthrow the US goverment because Bernie can't win
>>75599134
I actually prefer AK's to AR's
>>75599134
he's been posting this thread for 4 years
please just stop responding
I should know, ive been here that long
Impartial opinion:
Whereas I do not want to see guns becoming commonplace in the UK, I wholeheartedly believe that in a society where guns are already established, taking them away, or limiting their availability, will absolutely seem like a move designed to strip power from a populace.
It irks me when people seem to ignore this train of thought.
>>75599784
>Illinois
>not able to get guns
My local Walmart sells guns (including handguns) and hunting licenses. Sorry, bad graphic with bad information.
>>75600252
>The Revolutionary War against England was a guerrilla, terrorist war.
No it wasnt
It was conventional warfare with the backing of two european powers militarily stronger than Britain
>>75599784
>>75599726
>>75599677
>>75600716
>Dindu's can be white or black
You should check your dog-whistle, m8. We can still hear it.
>when a fire arm is purchased even at a "guns show" it goes through a federal background check
Are you entirely sure about that?
>1911 – Turkey disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1915 – 1917 they murdered 1.5 million Armenians.
>1929 – Russia disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1929 – 1953 they murdered 20 million Russians.
>1935 – China disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1948 – 1952 they murdered 20 million Chinese.
>1956 – Cambodia disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1975 – 1977 they murdered 1 million Educated people.
>1964 – Guatamala disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1964 – 1981 they murdered 100,000 Mayan Indians.
>1970 – Uganda disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1971 – 1979 they murdered 300,000 Christians.
"That would never happen"
If I went to a restaurant and every time I went there I got food poisoning I would avoid that restaraunt entirely, not try my luck again.
But hey, maybe this time it won't happen, if it does I expect you to welcome it with open arms.
>>75601204
I'd be willing to bet our knife murders are lower than those other countries.
I can't imagine why that would be, though
>>75600252
This. Plus, it's not like everyone in the army would side with the government, the desertion rate would be very high. It would be a huge clusterfuck-jets and tanks would largely be useless. Gun's are necessary and the founding fathers knew this. Faggot leftists man...
>>75601204
Is that stat before or after the FBI excluded Hispanics as white?
>>75600608
>If shooting 20 children won't cause major reform, what do you think will?
One Supreme Court Justice
>>75600608
Hilary couldn't even do her job as Secretary of State.
I'm still waiting for her to be indicted.
>>75601204
>>75601436
Oh, never mind. I didn't see the text under.
>>75599643
Death by deadly assault hammers and vehicle related deaths beat guns.
So, what now?
>>75601415
>Rebels control city
>Bomb the city
How are they useless?
>>75599643
>firearm deaths
from what ethnicity might these crimes be occurring from????
makes you think
>>75599134
Kikes instinctively know that if the second amendment gets modified or repealed enough then the first amendment can be severely modified and/or repealed as well.
There is a reason why the second amendment was created and that was to protect the first amendment, how is it that I, as an Australian, can see this more clearly than you moronic liberal leftists in America.
You know I honestly hope you leftists get your way and have all your free speech taken away, then you will appreciate Orwell's words "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face, forever."
inb4 "I don't want your guns taken away, just regulated", it is the same as "I don't want to ban free speech, I just want to stop certain speakers because they say stuff I don't like." you absolute fucking pillocks.
>>75599134
>Why won't you support COMMON SENSE gun regulation?
It won't make any difference.
>>75601527
Whites create the guns so even though a black man uses it to kill someone, a white man was behind it.
>>75601311
FUCKING
>>75601588
kek
>>75601144
I'll see you irk, and raise you a qualm. Given a society which is a world leader in gun deaths; in which, 2nd amendment notwithstanding, the populace is ill-equipped to tackle the increasingly militarised police, let alone the actual military; isn't it possible that the fiction of good folks with guns is actually causing more harm than good?
I'm on the fence about gun control. However here is my question to those in favour of more strict gun control. How many deaths is too many? As in how much do we need to restrict guns before you feel as though it's enough? When it comes to reality, especially USA we have a massive amount of fire arms here. If we made all guns illegal accept the fire arms that are already illegal do you think we would see a major drop in violent death?
>>75600608
Obama tried to follow the rules.
Hilldog will not.
That is why i fear her presidency.
>>75601525
Largely useless. How did the US fair in the Middle East? Or Vietnam? All the technology in the world and we couldn't defeat goat fuckers or rice farmers.
>>75599677
>UK*
>Doesn't include NI
This makes sense because the laws are different but it made me laugh anyway
>>75601564
Based 'Roo speaks the truth. You're welcome to help us on The Day of the Rope if you'd like.
>>75599828
Go figure, a Burger who can't grasp grammar...
>>75599134
Oh no, the common sense buzzword again.
Here are some other buzzwords:
SHALL NOT INFRINGE
Well regulated militia.........Who would do the regulation. ..?. The elected goverment
>>75601674
WHITE MALE
>>75601796
>Obama tried to follow the rules.
Is this a meme?
>>75601204
What the fuck is going on in Luxembourg?
Don't be a little cuck, gun violence is rare.
>>75601620
>It won't make any difference.
So what's the problem?
>>75599134
Op replied one time.
Sage
B8
>>75602033
But, but, but, muh emotions!
>>75601903
"Regulated" meant disciplined or trained. Think of the British Regulars when you try to understand the taken meaning of the word.
>Being killed or wounded by a gun is somehow inherently worse than being killed or wounded by literally any other sort of weapon or assault
>Several people being shot in a ((designated shooting street)) Gun-Free Zone is worse than the same amount of people being shot in several places or over a long period of itme
>Men, women and children should not be allowed to have access to the greatest equalizer in defense of themselves, their families, their property, and their fellow citizens
Lefty/pol/ is never right
>>75599134
>COMMON SENSE
Why do leftards always think their opinions are "just common sense"?
>>75602079
This.
Abandon thread.
Lefties sufficiently btfo, and in record time
>>75599134
The only nut is someone who lacks the common sense or courage to defend himself.
>>75601525
What's the point of bombing the cities that they are trying to control? Sure, you'll kill enemy combatants, but you will also kill civilians in the cross fire and cause damage to infrastructure that could hurt you later on. If the city is of strategic importance, destroying major infrastructure could effectively cut off your supply lines. Tanks in a city scape would be useless as well
>>75602042
The media constantly advertises violence. If people don't have guns, they'll kill some other way.
>>75601819
Mate the only thing I want to do is to go full Pinochet and start hurling this cancerous, traitorous leftist regressives from a helicopter.
Jesus Christ, every human should struggle for more freedoms, not give more away to the state, I just don't understand how people can be this mentally retarded.
>>75599134
Fuck off, Horsey. Sage
>>75599643
>all those gun suicides
but my friend hung himself with a belt.. maybe we should ban belts anon.
btw those statistics are bullshit and I will tell you why, legit infographics have SOURCES
>>75599134
Why are the gun-baddies always portrayed as whites. From what i've seen from statistics its the niggers you need to take the guns off!
>>75602149
You're actually asking me to back up my position with facts, evidence, or a reasoned argument?
ARE YOU KIDDING ME
ALL OF THEM
>>75602267
That's not the point you, or I, were making. If common sense gun regulation won't make any difference, but we sad deluded lefties believe it will, why not throw us a useless bone and allow it?
>>75600458
Considering, when it was written, it was applied to all military grade arms...
(Cannons for ships required a permit)
I don't see why a civilian populace shouldn't be allowed to.
>>75599134
>COMMON SENSE
You're afraid of otherwise inanimate objects in the hands of law-abiding citizens. There is no common sense too be found anywhere in your stance. Here's your other fucking (you).
>>75602175
OP is a paid Hillshill, it doesn't matter how much scientific stats you goys throw out.
They are here to make you waste time and trick you into not making Trump memes.
WHAT you need be doing is getting a jump on the DNC trying to cheat. By making exit polling memes.
>>75599134
This country was founded by a bunch of drunk farmers with no formal training and homemade weapons that managed to fight off one of the strongest military forces of their time. Every single revolution was fought by jackasses and regular folks who were heavily outgunned. Why would it suddenly not work? What makes 2016 so special?
>>75599134
Good goy.
>>75602510
So you have the right to keep and bear nuclear weapons?
>>75602563
BECAUSE IT'S 2016
>>75602222
Check'd AND kek'd
Lads.
>>75602563
>the redcoats are coming
>>75602493
>That's not the point you, or I, were making.
That's not the point I was making??
Wow.
Liberalism = totalitarianism.
>>75602700
You better believe it.
>>75602577
Why not the NWO has Nukes at Bouvet island, in the Atlantic Island.
They also have quantum computers and HAARP tech there too.
They have unregistered nukes, on their little doctor doom paradise.
>1 Post by this ID
>>75602518
Funny how Liberal is derived from the latin Liber (book) but they don't seem to read much.
>>75602222
>>75601627
Liberals, everyone.
More guns = less crime. More good guys with guns means less bad guys with guns.
Is this kindergarten?
>>75602493
Because the common sense bullshit is a ruse, they really want an extra registry, with even locations in the home and all types of details.
They want a registry for confiscation.
>>75599134
0/8 b8 harder
>>75600458
>allowed
Who "allows" me a handgun? Since when was the government in a position to "allow" me anything?
>>75601525
That would only cause more problems, not everyone in that community was a rebel, they were just being occupied, mostly indifferent to the entire situation. By killing them, you only piss off more people.
>>75602948
Pretty sure they are literally retarded.
Sounded like a "WE" moment.
>>75602768
Not trying to coerce you, but, on the subject of sensible gun control, you said:
>It won't make any difference.
I pointed out that, if it won't make a difference, you could surely have no objection to it.
You then replied with some nonsense about the media advertising violence. I pointed out that was not your original contention. You then accused me of totalitarianism.
I think you may need to go back to school.
>>75599134
>Why won't you support COMMON SENSE gun regulation?
Why don't you use some COMMON SENSE and realize that the law has no COMMON SENSE in it. If it did, you wouldn't have to go to school for 10 years to be lawyer.
It's just a painted up term for them to lay down the foundation to take eventually err gunz.
Doesn't it make more sense to realize that the 99% of gun involved crimes are committed by criminals and underage kids who shouldn't have been able to obtain a gun in the first place. What do you think more regulation is going to do... except cost us (the legal tax paying, law abiding citizens) more money.
>>75599726
>N times more likely
>than X in Y other countries combined
lmao aggregating rate statistics and then using "<big number> of other countries combined" like they're talking about a counting statistic.
>>75603114
Shut the fuck up you dumbshit nigger cunt.
>>75600512
Madison told a citizen that the 2nd Amendment justifies having cannons for your ships. So yea, it probably would apply to rocket launchers.
And laws aren't the only thing preventing me from getting a nuke.
This pic should be the only response these threads have from now.
>>75599726
>$4.5 billion
yeah, nah
>>75602959
>They want a registry for confiscation
Suppose they don't. Suppose the actually want a registry to keep track of firearms, to make it easier to trace those used in the commission of a crime. Would that be so bad?
>>75600252
This is a very good point.
However, you speak about a country in a state of war.
As long as there is peace, weapons are to be controlled.
If a citizen wants to possess a gun, he better be sane and knows how to use it.
That's a simple rule, and if well put in practice, should lead to very little problems.
BTW, you said that tyrants can't oppress guerrillas, but remember that guerrillas are led by tyrants, whom often don't want to go when war is over, weapons or not. Manicheism is not a thing here.
>>75599784
>California
>"May Issue" mean you just need to say "Hunting" and submit to a background check
lol, deceptive control-cucks.
Horsey is a piece of shit and so are you. Gun grabbers fuck off.
Sage.
>>75603051
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K4kHiUAjTvQ
>>75599922
The best comeback to "you can't overthrow the government" is "why yes, helicopter gunships should be legal."
>>75602967
>Who "allows" me a handgun?
The same authority which is abused ad nauseam in this type of thread. The US government (you know, the folks that wrote the 2nd Amendment). Do try to keep up.
>>75599643
>no sources
Really makes you think
>>75603398
> they Want
Today's rulers will not be the same as tomorrows. Don't count on those measures taken today for the best interests of all to not be abused tomorrow by those acting in the best interests of themselves. This is of course assuming that the leader you were naive enough to trust in restricting you today had no ulterior motives to start.
>>75603575
The US government didn't write the Second Amendment. We hardly even had a government when the Amendment was written. The Amendment was written by James Madison in an effort to end the debate over whether to adopt the current Constitution or not. It probably wouldn't even exist were it not for the pressure of the Anti-Federalists, who opposed the Constitution to begin with.
It seems to me as though your whole understanding of US government is wrong.
>>75603841
remember: it only takes one Caesar to dismantle a republic (or in our and the Roman Republic's case, the shadow of one)
>>75603841
If that's your position, why even bother with the sham of representative democracy. You are clearly an anarchist at heart. So go, be free, live your dream. Just not in the US.
>>75599134
Where's the common sense in banning a firearm that is virtually never used in crimes?
>>75602222
Nice quads
>>75604083
Caesar did not dismantle the republic, he became dictator of it like Sylla before him. Caius Octavius dismantled the republic.
>>75599643
nogs
your argument sucks
As a mexican who is unarmmed I can tell you life is shit in my country. One of the countries with the strictest laws on gun regulation. No one can sell, make or buy guns here.
The only ones that can are the criminals because that's what they do.
You fucking think you can make business here? All it takes is you to make something better than those who are in power so that they can send you some obese cartel head-cutting member, with an ar 15 to stop you.
I had a good business going. But one of this fucking corrupt politicians didn't like it because one of his relatives or some shit like that was too incompetent to beat us straight so they sent 2 guys with guns and confiscated all of my fabric's machiney. Fuck that shit.
If trump wins Im seriously going to seek his help to take a shit on the mexican governent.
>>75604013
>The US government didn't write the Second Amendment. We hardly even had a government when the Amendment was written.
Ah, okay. Then the entire constitution and bill of rights can be discarded, since they were written by ????
>>75599134
/lgbt/
>>75603556
You can overthrow a corrupt local government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29
>>75604498
Why do you act as though a constitution has to be authored by the government that it creates? That makes no sense. Your entire understanding of legislative authority is fundamentally wrong.
>>75599134
I own guns for self-defense and hunting, as the vast majority of Americans do
take your strawman elsewhere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE
Gun grabbing red coats BTFO
>>75604485
Very interesting post.
Literally everyone (including me) would have to die before I give up my guns.
I wouldn't care if the murder rate was 1,000,000 people per year (it's only 8,000, really) I still would not give them up.
>>75599828
>A Supreme Court Justice can't read or refuses to read for his own agenda
>>75603575
Actually, those rights are inalienable rights which are not provided by the government, simply guaranteed. they exist outside of government. 2nd Amendment is a guaranteed right of self defense against others and country if necessary. Stop being a literal retard.
>>75604485
If you live in a country with organized crime, you have to pay a fee for "protection" for the strongest gang in the neighborhood, did you do it?
>>75599643
>deaths by gun
>not gun murders
Nigger
>>75599134
Here's one problem with COMMON SENSE gun regulation, ironically the only problem it's designed to solve:
It doesn't prevent bad guys from getting guns
>>75603398
>Suppose they don't. Suppose the actually want a registry to keep track of firearms, to make it easier to trace those used in the commission of a crime.
To bad the real world has proven that this doesn't work
>Would that be bad
Yes
Relinquishing liberty for safety or even worse a false sense lf saftey only destroys both
>>75599134
I need my AR-15 so I can have firefights with communists in the streets.
>>75604271
No place on earth where you fascists wouldn't bomb me and take any natural resources I worked to produce. But I'd gladly hop on the next shuttle to some verdant world to set myself up a homestead away from all the sheep who need their strongmen to fuck anyone who thinks an independent thought up the ass. It's what my ancestors did with the American West, and it's what we'll do once we're free to explore the universe.
>>75599134
Hes right, but you need to replace that guys skin color with black and it will be accurate.
>>75599134
>I'm voting Democrat cuz muh freedoms
>Waaah people don't deserve the right of owning guns!
>>75599134
i really hate the terms "common sense gun control", "logical gun control", "reasonable gun control", and "compromise".
no one grasps their own reliance on weasel words and their blatant intent to pursue a slippery slope. not even a possibility of a slippery slope, but they almost always blatantly admit they want to incrementally increase it later.
>>75603575
The government does not "give you" rights.
The Constitution does not "give you" rights.
The government's purpose is to protect your natural God-given rights, as enumerated by the Constitution, through the methods the Constitution established.
>>75599828
>Supreme court judge hasn't read the Federalist Papers
Shame on him
>>75599134
A WELL REGULATED MILITIA, BEING NECESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!
>>75599828
What a shock, a SCOTUS judge that can't fucking read.
>>75605644
1) God doesn't exist.
2) God given rights are unlikely to include AR-15s
>>75600428
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311
>Basically the militia is everyone
>Well regulated used to mean "normally functioning"
>The Federalist Papers outline a militia system very much like Switzerland's; this was to ensure that we had a reserve force if we were invaded or had a riot/rebellion, while not having an army large enough to be abused
>>75605767
Stay cucked.
>>75599134
>A
>FUCKING
>HORSE
>>75605241
Love my FAL, built it with my own two hands
>>75600428
Let me shine some historical context on this.
So a well regulated militia was basically 1776'er talk for "in case of a draft" the justification is that in the event of a draft (or mandatory militia) the government could depend on two things from every male citizen:
> he will have a gun or will have the means to acquire one
>he will know how to shoot it, clean it and use it.
Today, this would mean that every citizen fit for military duty ought to own a military style assault weapon in the event of a draft.
That isn't to say everyone ought to own a gun, obviously unstable persons and felons ought not to, but in general, everyone who would be called in a draft ought to own a gun.
>>75605767
If you reject the notion of supreme morality as a basis of government, then you are only left with gunfire as a basis of government. So why do you want the public to be deprived of arms?
>>75605767
You got any proof for that?
>>75605767
How about "natural and immutable rights as a human being" then? The government doesn't grant rights to its citizens, it merely affirms what's already possessed by its citizens a sign of trust.
>>75602222
This guy should draw some porn sometime
>>75605402
Is that a round tin can full of fucking ammunition?
>>75605767
God is a placeholder for "creator" even if you believe it is nothing more than your parents.
It is a philosophical idea where one's rights come from their humanity.
Considering the vast majority of Europe has utterly lost the distinction between inherent rights and state granted privileges it isn't surprise this concept goes over your head
>>75599258
/out/ is pro-gun, you faggot
>>75600307
kek, thank you. These guntards that don't understand the first thing about our Constitution, their entire argument consists of repeating a select fraction of the 2nd amendment
>>75600354
Second Amendment was only supposed to apply to feds, and states could regulate their own militias. So the federal government couldn't prevent the states from having a regulated militia. Where the state selects who gets to bear what arms
>Are you starting to understand why the 2nd amendment explicitly states that every citizen has the right to bear those firearms?
Are you starting to understand that you're a fucking retard who's never even read the fucking constitution?
>>75606076
>If you reject the notion of supreme morality as a basis of government
But I don't. I just don't tend to dress it up in the costume of a sky fairy.
>lets call it common sense gun control so i when ppl disagree, i can say they have no common sense
fucking shills, its called the second amendment. fuck off
>>75599134
When you stop including suicides in your bullshit numbers & arguments. Maybe
>>75606088
>You got any proof for that?
Back at ya, senpai.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_Act_of_1903
>>75600307
do you know how to read though?
it says a militia is to be well regulated, the people shall not be infringed.
the whole purpose of the amendment is to disallow the government from having a standing military while the people are unable to defend themselves should the military turn on them
>>75606233
Oh, so you're a pretentious asshole. Got it. When you're done being a special snowflake, feel free to make interesting input.
>>75599134
>muh big, scary, AR-15 meme
Why are anti-gunners so stupid?
>>75601246
>he's never heard of wiggers
Lurk more, pleb.
>>75599134
Man, those Việt Cộng sure didn't stand a chance.
>>75606125
What part of natural and immutable rights as a human being includes a 30 round clip?
>>75606417
Right where it says you shouldn't have them.
>>75605177
You think crime is organized in Mexico? Then why the need to chop each other's heads?
Also, the fee was that I shut down my business so that they could keep their shitty businesses going, ever heard of monopolistic practices? (But with a twist that if you don't obey you are in very serious risk of getting your lims cut off, literally)
>>75599134
>You don't need guns, you could never fight the government. Just submit to the state! It's hopeless!
We should have never banned firearm banning discussion from /k/, now we have a bunch of idiots who know nothing about firearms from countries that have very strict gun laws speaking like they have any kind of authority on the matter. You should only be able to argue about owning and using firearms if you have owned or used a firearm, period.
>>75605767
shut up you infidel if i ever here you say god doesnt exist ill suicide bomb you into next week
>>75603398
In Florida it's actually illegal to register your firearms if you're not a criminal. Mad?
>It is a felony under Florida law to create, maintain or publish any list, record or registry of legally owned firearms or law-abiding firearm owners.
http://flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2013/790.335
>>75606417
>clip
>>75606357
Ultimate morality may come from:
A) A supreme deity
B) The common will of the people
C) The will of a small clique, pretending to divine authority.
When I need lessons from a C-tier faggot, I'll be sure to ask you.
>>75606417
The right to own property provided you aren't using it to hurt anyone (self-defense notwithstanding)?
>>75606417
>clip
What part of natural and immutable rights as a human being includes a regulatory council?
>fags that have never seen a gun in real life think they're qualified to regulate them
europoor union of retards :^)
A society without weapons is an imprisoned society. Our guns are the only thing ensuring us of a free society, witbout them, the government can do whatever they want without fearing retribution by free people.
>>75601204
>>75599784
>>75599726
>>75599677
>>75599643
Can you fags research on TOTAL VIOLENT CRIME
>2011
>323 killed by rifles
>496 killed by hammers
>650 killed by knives
>12k killed by drunk drivers
>195k killed by medical malpractice
So banning "assault rifles" is a good idea?
Would you rather defend yourself against an intruder/s with
>a glock with 7 rounds?
or
>an AR-15 with 30?
>>75606718
That isn't interesting at all.
>>75599134
An AR is ideal to quell level 4 chimpouts.
>>75606369
Geez, even when it comes to firearms, modern aesthetics have fallen behind.
>>75606076
>tfw an image I made is still be circulated
Feels good desu
>>75606169
as in get /out/ you cocksocket
Why do the Liberalfags depict gun owners as paranoid trigger-happy freaks?
>>75599643
>>75599677
>>75599726
>>75599784
>>75599828
gun grabbing libs btfo
>>75606727
Really? You genuinely believe there is a natural and inalienable right to own any kind of deadly weapon? I guess I'm going to have to agree to disagree, senpai.
>>75599134
>obvious bait thread
OP
>1 post by this ID
>300 replies
everytime
>>75606993
>liberals knowing how to argue in anyway other than straw manning
>>75607017
Remember this...
>>75606927
I get it, /b/tard. Just fuck off. /out/ is nice board.
>>75607017
kek the britfag is angry that England has a higher total crime rate after the gun ban
Do these dumbasses know that criminals don't follow laws?
>>75606540
See what I fucking mean? Look at >>75606417; If I went ahead and said that spoilers on cars needed to be banned because they make the car go too fast, but actually didn't know shit about cars and called the spoiler something completely different. why on earth would my opinion be taken seriously? Also, brits like >>75606417 have been exposed to stuff like that one simpsons episode which originally had Marge keeping the revolver in her purse while the UK went ahead and showed her throwing it away. Every single british person who does not hunt or own a firearm should be immediately dismissed as unknowledgable about Firearms and the right to bear arms.
>>75607092
In the context of a debate about natural, inalienable rights, I'm not sure the point you're making there.
>>75599134
Because fuck you AND your wife's son- we get it, OP, you have a micropenis and no father.
>>75607195
Kek, /pol/ack is making claims that he cannot possibly substantiate.
Do these dumbasses know why I come here in the first place?
>>75607195
British friends still mad they didn't get on the ships to America when they had the chance to escape.
>>75607213
What are the natural rights to you? Can you prove that you actually have them?
>>75601936
>Obama tried to follow the rules.
>>75606417
Would you rather defend your home with 6 rounds with possible of another intruder or have as much as possible?
>>75607212
There seems to be a high degree of butthurt over the use of the word 'clip'. Seeing as you seem to be a /k/mart, perhaps you could explain exactly what the problem is? Thanks.
>>75607375
Lol Obama... He's the father of the AR-15 becoming the most popular gun evar!
>>75599397
>give me that cake
Stopped reading there. Nobody wants your guns Jethro. They just want to regulate gun buying a bit more.
>>75607370
>Can you prove that you actually have them?
No. For the record, I don't necessarily agree that there is any such thing as a natural, inalienable right. I was responding to the faggots ITT who seem to think that the US constitution somehow ratifies a mysterious set of external rights. It doesn't.
>>75607506
I would be happy to help. The difference between a magazine and a clip is that a clip acts as a loading mechanism to feed rounds into the magazine. The magazine is what holds the rounds that will be loaded into the action of the firearm.
Here is an article that can explain further
http://www.minutemanreview.com/2008/09/clip-vs-magazine-lesson-in-firearm.html
Cheers!
>>75606854
Why are you leaving out "human weapons"? They're typically about 4x the rate of homicides committed with rifles.
With all the corruption going on in the USA how can anyone be opposed to guns. You have to be stupid if you think gun's need to be banned.
>>75607768
So are we meant to ignore the Declaration of Independence when it says "all men are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights"? When the Second Amendment says "the right... shall not be infringed", is it really saying "lol the government can regulate guns i guess"?
If you don't know what you're talking about, then leave.
>>75607330
>"After the ban was enacted, homicides trended up until they reached a peak of 18.0 homicides per million in 2003."
>>75607768
Guns give an atheist like me a reason to keep a Bible by my bed.
>>75607814
Well, OK, then. What part of natural and immutable human rights includes a 30 round magazine?
>>75607452
OK, how about this? You are within your rights to have as much firepower as is humanly possible while in the confines of your own home. Just don't expect to be allowed to take it out onto the streets.
Uhhg, I get really tired of posting my long-winded pro-gun rant; but you anti-gun shills just never learn, so I'll simplify it.
>muh, muh US has the most gun deaths!
60% of US gun deaths are suicides; and it's the same relative amount of suicide as other countries like the UK and Japan, they just kill themselves in more gruesome ways because they can't get guns.
The US is also 111th in murder-per-capita. Countries like Mexico, Venezuela, and Brazil with strict-as-fuck gun laws still have higher murder rates. The reason we have lots of murders is because of shitskins; which leftists want to import more of for some reason.
The major city in the US with the lowest murder rate is Plano, Texas - where lots of people are gun owners, and the gun laws are lax.
>we can take ur guns away if we want, you don't need big magazines, etc.
The Supreme Court case of Heller v. Disctrict of Columbia already ruled that owning a semi-automatic gun is a Constitutional right:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller
From a philosophical/Constitutional perspective, gun ownership should be a right. The Preamble to the Constitution states that people have a right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". If citizens have a right to life, that means that they should have a right to defend their life by adequate means. Women, old people, and the disabled can't defeat a gang of dindus in melee combat - thus, guns are necessary.
>b-b, but, you don't need guns because you have cops!
The Supreme Court Case Warren v District of Columbia ruled that the police do not have a duty to risk their life to protect you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia
Also, aren't you lefty types always shitting on the cops? I thought if a cop gets anywhere near you, it would trigger you.
>Stefan Molyneux shits on gun control:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hyQDQPEsrs
>Bill Whittle shits on gun control:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE
get rekt
>>75608552
What part of natural and immutable human rights includes a knife?
>>75608121
>So are we meant to ignore the Declaration of Independence when it says "all men are endowed by their Creator with...
Well, clearly, yes. Since all men were not endowed with any rights by primordial ooze.
>>75608765
>Let me tell you what your rights are.
>Let me tell you what you're allowed to do.
No.
>>75608328
ketchup?
>>75608552
This is like saying that you should not have access to more than thirty post stamps at a time for the fear that you could use those to send anthrax to several homes at once. In the real world, I would consider you sane and confident enough to handle a magazine that can hold thirty rounds, which is contrary to the media rhetoric that anyone with any magazine over ten rounds is just a crazy person on the edge of murdering others. You have the absolute right to defend yourself, and if you don't want to use that right, it's okay. Just remember that if you were a citizen of the United States of America that you would have the CHOICE of wanting to either own or not own a firearm.
>>75608466
Meh... see >>75608765. Guess I can't argue with you.
>>75608901
>I reject the Declaration of Independence.
>But I'm still an authority as to the true meaning of the Constitution.
Yeah sure.
>>75603398
Fuck you commie, the government always misuses and steals power from THE people.
Just look at your rainy little hellhole, y'all are getting sent to Her Majestys Royal Buttfuck Correctional Center for not chanting GOD SAVE THE REFUGEES loud enough.
t. Citizen of Commonwealth of Virginia
>>75608833
Um... no part? I think that was the point I was making.
Do try to keep up.
>>75600428
All well regulated means in that context is "working properly", not regulations as restrictions, in the modern sense.
>>75607768
>faggots ITT who seem to think that the US constitution somehow ratifies a mysterious set of external rights.
How is the "right" to bear arms mysterious? Just because the popular firearm is no longer a smooth bore musket doesn't mean that an AR-15 isn't covered by the constitution. James Madison almost definitely foresaw the inevitable advancements of weapon technologies when he wrote the bill of "rights".
>>75609177
Sweet. Now go up to any American and say "Knives should be banned". My work here is done.
In the UK only the criminals and some police are armed. Normal people are not allowed to have weapons or to defend themselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacification_theory
>>75599134
I used to think that """gun nuts""" were crazy as well until the closet commie cuck sanders decided he was going to run for presidency and realized that maybe the NRA's fears were genuine / valid.
>>75604271
> leave the U.S. for wanting more Liberty
Said the bong
>>75608909
And round and round it goes. Your rights are enshrined by law.Those laws are created by the government. If you want rights, you have to accept the government.
The system doesn't work if you simply choose to believe you have rights that come out of your own arse.
>>75605767
It's not a positive right to an AR-15. No one has to buy one for you. It's that no one can stop you from getting the tools to defend yourself.
>>75609379
>cuck sanders
>not whore of babylon Hillary
>>75602322
Sauce on pic?
>>75609432
>thinking a leftist Brit believes in any sort of right other than positive rights
>>75605767
Says the fag who never shot a gun before
>>75601738
We arent ill equipped though, seriously, millions of insurgents is a big problem. Can some post the red team wargame thing that details an insurrection scneario?
>>75601409
Kek, are you saying America is also a third world shit hole like those places?
>>75605767
Come and take it
>>75609117
Mein bro! :)
>>75609397
>If you want rights, you have to accept the government.
>This proves that the government gives you rights.
What? You're accusing me of circular logic while committing that blunder?
The law is created by the will of the public and is maintained only by the will of the public. The government is a necessary evil that is maintained only by the will of the public. Governments are instituted among men, not the other way around. If the system is immoral or non-functional, it will be surmounted as easily as yours was in 1776.
>>75604485
Despite my personal negative feelings for spics who have illegally entered the U.S., I hold a great deal of respect for the people and culture they left behind. Other cultures are fascinating and beautiful in their homelands, but despicable in another nation.
>>75602493
It wont make any difference in crime prevention he obvioisly meant. It would just infringe on our rights for no reason.
>>75609437
Watch the movie "Sicario".
Mexican gangs hang their enemies from lamp posts and bridges to terrify the citizens (who can't own guns) and show them who's boss.
>>75609037
Well, OK, let's break this down:
>In the real world, I would consider you sane and confident enough to handle a magazine that can hold thirty rounds
Well, perhaps you are too trusting? But that's not really the point.
>the media rhetoric that anyone with any magazine over ten rounds is just a crazy person on the edge of murdering others
The justification for weapons in the US is twofold:
1) Recreation
2) Self-defence
Neither of those require a 30-round magazine (and of course, I was being conservative when I suggested the idea of a 30 round magazine for an AR-15). Perhaps you might consider that there is some other scare story going on which suggests you need dozens of bullets to defend your family.
I would suggest you stop watching any movies in The Purge series.
>>75599134
kek, we honestly do say Black Helicopters are coming. its a social meme.
>>75606631
God I love this state. Feels good knowing your state has your back against the feds when it comes to the 2nd. As Supreme court justice Kagan said, this is "settled law".
>>75608774
KEEP THE HOOD SAFE H
>>75609235
It's mysterious if you believe it is inalienable. It isn't.
>>75609997
There are some Americans with a bit more money than most that don't use magazines....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTwkM7gpx5E
>>75609308
I'm not suggesting they should be banned. I'm simply saying you don't have any supernatural right to wander about with them.
You really aren't even trying to keep up, are you?
>>75607017
High capacity guns like the girandoni air rifle were well known but the founders chose not to regulate them, for a reason.
>>75609997
I have a question for you; would you consider yourself confident with handling and using a firearm? A lot of people confuse their own personal confidence with the confidence of an entire population of people. A good example of this would be that I should not trust others with using a crane or tow truck because I do not have the confidence or skill to handle either. I reccomend you try to use a firearm at least once to gain a bit of perspective on what we are talking about. I believe that it will be a very rewarding and enlightening experience.
>>75609768
Ayyy, good to see more Sigs here.
>>75609997
The reasons are manyfold, actually, but you've missed 'abolishing tyranny' in your list.
We will need 50-100 round magazines to do that.
>>75606191
Are you fucking retard don't even understand kike Jew faggot bitch
>>75610329
Then are you also saying that 30 round magazines shouldn't be banned? Be consistent.
>>75609997
>The justification for weapons in the US is twofold
No. You missed the part of the amendment that says "necessary to for the security of a free state." Those are good reasons, but the most important reason is repelling foreign invaders or resisting a tyrannical government.
>>75607506
Other countries dont understand natural law, big surprise. If the State GIVES you your rights, they can be taken away at any time. Just look at free speech in England, its a joke.
>>75601737
1/10
>>75609772
>The law is created by the will of the public
Quite. But that doesn't mean that the laws they create have any authority beyond the will of the people. I have been arguing ITT that laws exist as an expression of popular will, not a ratification of divine will.
So it seems we agree.
>>75609997
> don't need
> isn't required to
Irrelevant based on the U.S. Constitution's understanding of the right bear arms.
As for more dangerous weapons like explosives, remember that bulk storage of explosives and gun powder was kept far away from from the rest of the cities and towns in the period of the founding.
>>75609885
But it won't have any tangible ill-effect? So why oppose it then?
>>75600307
Beautiful
>>75611020
The negative effect is not being able to protect my other rights.
>>75610306
Belt and braces. The only way forward.
>>75609308
>Sweet. Now go up to any American and say "Knives should be banned". My work here is done.
If they take away are salad knives then this...
>>75609997
It's nice to add that the San Bernardino terrorist didn't even use 30 round magazines when they carried out their attack. You could clearly see a giant pile of 15 round magazines lying on the ground in front of the bullet-riddled SUV. Magazine capacity is a massive fucking retarded meme that will only lead to a slippery slope into more regulations that don't affect the national crime rate or amount of victims in mass shootings.
>>75610884
Authority is an integral part of law. You've been ignoring the fact that the government has no authority to do what you propose. We don't agree at all. It's just that you've chosen a small, irrelevant point to not be retarded about.
>>75610396
I think you're entirely wrong. If anything, I have too much confidence in my ability to handle a firearm, based on my good experiences with .22 air rifles.
>>75610447
You genuinely believe that you, and your 100 round magazine will abolish napalm tyranny?
Good luck.
>>75611447
Well, those are very small caliber rifles, and they are also air rifles. I think the ones we are discussing are firearms that use powdered cartridges. Are there any local ranges and/or hunting lodges you could go to in Britain?
>>75610487
I'm saying you don't have any innate rights to them. Your rights exist as a result of societal consensus. If society as a whole deems them to be adversely detrimental, then you ought to be big enough to accept that.
>>75611561
>You genuinely believe that you, and your puny little musket, will abolish his majesty's royal navy?
>Good luck.
Same shit, different day.
