So wait -
Catholics actually believe that watching porn and masturbating is a sin?
And if you don't repent of it you're going to hell?
I mean, I knew they had some weird stuff about not having sex with someone you love unless go through an elaborate ceremony that no circumstance, no matter how terrible, could change, but masturbation? Watching a half an hour of porn every couple of weeks will send me to *hell*?? Who could possibly think that?
>>75297556
This is why I'm not "catholic"
I believe in God but if a God exist he would want me to masturbate because it's just what I do
>>75297784
Yes because religion should cater to our personal preferences, not tradition.
>>75297888
Tradition is just some old dead people's personal preferences
>>75297888
Why would God put us on this Earth to not enjoy ourselves
That's stupid
Yes, now that you know this if you willingly masturbate then you have committed adultery and broken your personal covenenant with God.
If you have not been baptised, then visit your local catholic priest and ask him to, and help your confirmation into the church. Do this and you will be rewarded umpteen times in heaven what you would have received for giving into your bestial needs
>>75297888
you know the Christian tradition isn't what Catholicism is now right? Read about the Reformation sometime
religious people are fucking dumb
/discussion
>>75297556
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
>>75297990
Why did they come about
>>75297999
>God should feel the same way about things as I do
>>75297999
We are on earth because Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit. They like you thought hedonism was the way the life and truth, when in fact Jesus, fully God and fully man, is
>>75297556
well, your title for the pic headed off my first statement, but i guess i fail to understand the purpose of the post in general.
is it that Catholicism has no truly strange teachings? or, maybe that Mormonism is no different than Catholicism in these regards?
>>75297888
I think there's a middle ground here. I mean, masturbation is a pretty storied tradition in human history. Only the most obnoxiously petty reading of the word "adultery" could possibly lend itself to a pro-tradition argument for not masturbating.
>>75298024
Oh look.
>>75298117
The thing with both of these Catholics is that neither actually presents an argument why Catholicism is right about this. They just say "the Church says so, so it is so." Which is not a great tactic to convince unbelievers.
>>75298117
everyone on 4chan should just cut off their dicks, it's not like they're of any benefit or any of us will ever marry, and it's not worth the risk
>>75298075
Catholicism is the closest of all forms of Christianity to mediveal Christendom, which was a continuation of the persecuted church. Thus making Catholicism the closest to the truth
>>75298078
>/thread-ing your own post
>>75298178
The point is that I am utterly baffled by this being something the Catholic church even deigns worthy of comment, much less labels a sin, and I'm interested either in proof that this is actually something Catholics believe in, or an argument on why it isn't as overwhelmingly ludicrous as I think.
>>75297556
>Not knowing the difference between Mortal and Venial Sins
>Being this uneducated
>mfw the only reason you are not Catholic is because of your lack of education...
>Read Catechism
>>75298187
No need to be a nihilist, but then as a gentleman of course I know I will end life in the embrace of my spouse
>>75298186
>I think there's a middle ground here. I mean, masturbation is a pretty storied tradition in human history. Only the most obnoxiously petty reading of the word "adultery" could possibly lend itself to a pro-tradition argument for not masturbating.
usually the Biblical example that is set forth as being an anti-masturbation admonition (which it isn't; he was supposed to do something specific) is the story of Onan in Genesis.
>>75297556
Remember! You need to follow natural law at all times even though it's clearly retarded and unfounded!
>>75297888
Dont bother arguing with pagan hedonists. They would rather live to enjoy their bodies than live to enjoy their minds. They are the barbarian that rapes and drinks because it gives them pleasure.
for thousands of years we have built a moral code which promotes independence, family, and culture, but these barbarians will have none of that because it is not rewarding enough for them. They are why we have laws, why we have to lock our doors.
Carry your weapon, the barbarians are at our door and in the spare room.
>>75298350
Masturbation is a mortal sin
And so is sex before marriage
>>75298186
Adultery is orgasm without the intent of creating life. Call me a prude but that is why masturbating, anal and oral are all sinful desires
Also according to Catholic teaching when the pope invokes the Holy Spirit he cannot be wrong, also that the pope and all his cardinals are aided by the Holy Spirit like the Holy Spirit descended upon the disciples when they were locked in the room
>>75298440
All it took was modern technology to undo all the traditions in a few centuries.
people don't realize how much of the root of degeneracy electricity and everything it spawned was.
>You have heard that it was said to them of old: Thou shalt not commit adultery. But I say to you, that whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart. And if thy right eye scandalize thee, pluck it out and cast it from thee. For it is expedient for thee that one of thy members should perish, rather than that thy whole body be cast into hell. And if thy right hand scandalize thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is expedient for thee that one of thy members should perish, rather than that thy whole body be cast into hell.
>>75298309
It's true, it is technically a sin. There actually are studies that show the more you masturbate, the more likely you are to unsatisfied with your life/depressed. Luckily "sexual" sins are the easiest to forgive (as long as you aren't doing them over and over again on purpose and treating confession as a get-out-of-jail-free card and depending on the act).
>>75298380
>this meme
>again
>>75298350
I know the difference, but if I masturbate because I like it and find nothing wrong in it, don't repent, and plan to continue doing so, its no longer a slight sin done under force of habit or thoughtlessness. It passes from Venial to Mortal.
Read your own damn Catechism, heretic.
>>75298270
fuck that shit bro, the very existence of the Pope is anathema to Jesus' teaching on how we are all equal spiritually. It's like communism, the Pope just happens to be more equal than others?
Fuck the Pope and fuck the Catholic hierarchy which was built to benefit themselves. I live according to Jesus' original principles as Martin Luther promoted the same as the Disciples.
>>75298605
Using the internet is partaking in witchcraft.
I'm 100% serious.
Think about it for a second, it's scrying demons. That's what using a computer really is
>>75298350
Mortal = Ten Commandments
Venial = post teaching
Thou shalt not commit adultery
Adultery is orgasm without procreation
Therefore masturbating is a sin
Source I wanted to be a catholic priest once
So drawing hentai or erotica is a sin? People get married for sex and benefits. Nothing sacred about marriage anymore.
>>75298501
"Circumstances that range from 'affective immaturity' to the 'force of acquired habit' to psychological factors such as anxiety and even to 'social factors' can mitigate a person's moral culpability if she/he performs the objectively disordered act of masturbation. In such a case, the 'Catechism' is insistent that masturbation would not be 'a serious mortal sin' because of any one of those extenuating reasons." - "Father Philip" at Catholic Q and A"
4chan and internet memes are idolatry and violate the 2nd commandment yet you never see anyone here talking about it.
>>75298548
>Adultery is orgasm without the intent of creating life
What was it I said earlier? "The most obnoxiously petty reading of the word adultery?" This is like SJWs rewriting the definition of racism to include being mean to black criminals.
>>75297888
>catholics
>traditions
>lmao guys pray at the left feet's big toenail of this saint you never heard about
>it'll solve your problems I swear don't forget to tip
>>75298381
Natural law is to fill the gaps between teachings, explain how it fails
Also Christian just means followers of Christ
>>75297556
No clue why anyone cares what catholics think.
>>75298309
well, i would never pretend to speak for the Catholic Church or explain its teachings (i am not Catholic), i *can* tell you that the Bible is (rather oddly) silent on the issue. Paul speaks of abusing one's body, but it is not explicit that he has masturbation in mind there.
personally, i think the only sinful aspect is the lust that usually accompanies it. that is undoubtably sinful.
the fact that just about everyone lusts from time to time is a reminder of our fallen, sinful state - and that reminder, in the heart of a spiritually healthy and wise Christian, serves no other purpose than to drive us to the Throne of Grace, and remind us that God knew we couldn't do it ourselves, so HE did it FOR us.
>>75298686
Human technology != witchcraft
Neither does the Holy See or the Catechism have anything against the general existence or usage of the internet.
>>75298846
>Not understanding Ausgustine when he talked about the Saints
>Being this much of a protie
>Luther pls go
>>75297556
>>75297999
It's pretty obvious why it's wrong, once you actually take the time to understand it. This lecture should help:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMlMofdjKrU
>>75298806
Wow cool one priest said that
Too bad the bible doesnt
Maybe you should let refugees in the ass like the Pope says if one person in the church can convince you anything
>>75298963
>implying I listen to the jewery of any church to begin with
Reading the book myself is more than sufficient. I don't need some shitgut who just wants my money to tell me what to think like you
>>75297556
Worldly overindulgence and hedonism is sinful.
It's not just Catholics who think that - it's most Christians. And rightly so.
>>75298677
As a Brit you should surely understand constitunal monarchy is the best form of government
This carries on into religious matters. If church teaching changed upon a majority then it would just be an echo chamber of hedonists
>>75298931
As a Christian, if you're spending your life trying to eradicate the sin in you, you're a victim of the devil robbing you of the joy of your salvation.
All sin was forgiven and forgotten at the cross.
Asking God today to forgive your sin is absurd. It's a done deal.
Tetelestai. Paid in full.
>>75298963
Most catholic saints are in hell.
>>75299064
They're more Pharisees than anything else. They're Pharisee Lite.
>>75298309
Fornication is a sin. Masturbation requires fantasizing about fornicating with a woman. Sin is not to be encouraged even by something as simple as thinking about it in a positive manner. Why? because it's a fucking sin.
You're basically acting mind-fucked that it's a sin to fantasise about chopping up six year old girls even if you don't actually do.
I should stop masturbating. My brain chemicals are out if balance.
>>75299072
Stop speaking for Christians, Deist. You're not one of us any more than a papist is.
>>75298816
Idolatry is the worship of an object as holy, Catholicism is about worshiping the holy made material, therefore statues are totes legit
>>75299246
Stuff it hellbound man. Nobody cares.
>>75299276
>It's not idol worship when we do it.
>>75299316
Heavenbound, you should say. If you cared one whit about the truth, that is.
Protties need to go. Pol is a Catholic Board
>>75298825
So ....
Marriage means different things in different circles, for Catholics it should be something used to help create children and last until death. To liberals it means the crazy cat lady finally gets laid
>>75297556
the bible has a ton of stuff in it that people no longer practice because its to hard.
Corinthians 11:6
For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head.
>>75297999
This countrys fucked
>>75299381
Because only you know the truth, obviously. Not much different than a cucklic there shorty.
Just how long does it take to make my balls drop further? All that porn I've seen makes my look like a joke.
>>75299051
You seem to not understand. The Church that sainted him. That he belonged to... COMPILED THE BIBLE... Why? Because they had the authority to do so...
>>75297556
You type like a woman making a troll post
>>75299390
Never has been, never will.
/pol/ confirmed as a christian board.
>>75299115
AMEN, Bro.
thoroughly agreed.
you got it right.
>>75299064
That is how heresy is started... Look at the 40k + denominations of Protestantism... Are they all right or are you the only one right?
>>75299493
You don't even know that the truth is a person.
That's how lost you are. You're highest and best identity is a weeabo.
>>75299072
>overindulgence
But that's not what the Church is talking about. Its talking about *any* masturbation.
>>75299211
You can masturbate while thinking about your spouse. You can masturbate while reading about married people having sex in fiction, rather than imagining yourself having sex. You can watch porn of married people, and get aroused at them, while removing any thought of yourself fornicating.
Do you see why this blanket ban is a little extreme?
>>75298846
>>75299246
How are Catholics not Christians, christians are those who are merely followers of Jesus. Even Arians who certainly believed he was not divine were his followers
>>75299599
Name 40,000 different things Christians believe.
Question: Could I sin my entire life but on my deathbed go "lol I repent" and have all my sins forgiven.
So women. They divorce, steal half your belongings, and go for the next man and repeat. Isn't that adultry or something? Using marriage as an excuse for sex and money?
>>75299693
They don't even call themselves Christians.
They don't know how to become Christians.
They have no idea what being born again in the Spirit means.
All they have is their membership in the Roman Catholic Church, and their faith that the church will save them.
No church ever saved anybody, and no church ever will.
>>75299139
If someone wants a miracle they first pray to God and then to the Blessed, if they were in hell they would have no power to help thee
>>75299636
Truth has a colloquial meaning which apologists use. Not that you'd know *ANYTHING* about proper Christian apologetics, given all you ever do is rant and rave in a dogmatic fashion about everything you ever talk about.
Nobody expects you to change though.
>>75299739
Christian, singular, which you would know if you knew how to samefag, cancer.
>>75299707
Literally everything from the persons of Christ to the Trinity, To salvation, To rites and sacraments. The denominations exist because everyone was allowed to draw the conclusions that they felt from their feels and not what was actually true...
>>75299820
Being helped by demons is not my cup of tea.
>>75299390
no.
no, it's not.
no one cares about your old men with expensive hats who claim to sit "in the place of" Christ (vicar de Christi)
>>75299435
I'm convinced Anabaptist (like the Amish) are the closest to the original teachings, at least here in America
>>75299708
If you were baptised yes
>>75299802
Oh so The Church that Christ established cannot save people? That is blasphemy..
>>75299838
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
The truth is a person. A person you have never met.
Why do women want a man from god like in the military?
>>75299854
Give me 40,000 different opinions on those things.
>>75299716
For Catholics marriage only ends when death occurs, that's why Henry 8th split from the church
>>75299739
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Brunne
>thought it was b8, maybe satirical
>reverse image search it
>get to tying that noose
>>75299675
>the Church
I'm not a cucklic, so I'm not about to speak for cucklics except where I'm confident I've got enough background to make a statement. Which is only that they regard most hedonistic shit as sinful. Which isn't wrong.
>>75299599
Oh, should I listen to the cuck pope who kisses muslim feet and tells us we should allow them to breed with our girls? Is that your solution?
I'll take my "heresy" over """real""" christianity, if those are my options
>>75299936
Boring false claim by papists is boring false claim by papists.
>>75299693
Where in my post did I say they weren't Christians.
I was saying that they don't uphold traditions like they claim they do
>>75300018
"heresy" to papists is merely not swallowing the pope's full load.
>>75299968
Here are 5k churches...
http://www.biblicalcatholic.com/DENOMS.php
>>75299854
>The denominations exist because everyone was allowed to
please explain what the opposite would have looked like.
i am curious.
>>75300018
If he did not invoke the Holy Spirit before he spoke then he spoke as Francis if he invoked the Holy Spirit he spoke as the Bridge Builder
>>75300119
Still waiting for you to prove your inference that Christians believe 40,000 different things.
>>75300018
You fail when you imply the Pope is Infallible always... on everything... which is heresy itself
I've wanted someone for years,but real life takes a nasty turn when it comes to disability, medications, and relationships outside school. People I've known are married or have kids. I hare the fact she married her marine boyfriend and just forget about me.
>>75299802
>Being this jealous of not being a glorious Catholic
>>75298187
It's not meant like that. If your eyes cause you to sin, (by looking at porn or something of that sort) rather than cut your eye out, cut the porn out.
>>75300186
It would look like the Nazi Party. Catholic Hitler's Nazi Party as established by the Nazi Pope's Concordat with Hitler in '33, following the Nazi Pope's Concordat with fascist Mussolini in '29.
It would look like death camps.
>>75300186
A single religious entity in Europe and The West in general...
>>75297556
>Catholics don't want their men to be neet losers who sit inside jerking off to traps and questioning their sexuality
>4chan is offended by this
Sounds about right. Sorry cucks, people don't want their men to end up whiny losers like you.
>>75299847
>"N-no! We're n-not "Protestants"! We're Christians! Unlike y-you... Catholic...?"
>>75299915
the Amish believe in Salvation by works, baptismal regeneration, and a host of other unScriptural heresies.
>>75300239
>You fail when you imply the Pope is Infallible always
I'm not the one saying that.
What I AM saying is that your leader is the biggest heretic around
But hey, don't come calling to me when your sweet innocent girl gets that thick muslim seed
>>75298187
But then how will I pee?
>>75300259
I could be a catholic today.
I will never be a catholic.
>>75300195
Why would there be different churches if they didn't believe different things...
>>75299937
'Truth' is also "that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality", which isn't most of the shit you spout - you assert shit and just dog people to accept it. Quite literally one of the worst attempts at converting people to a position I've ever seen in all my days have been in the threads you're in in which you dog people with your inane assertions. It is astounding to me that you can even think to post when you look so fucking stupid every time you do.
>>75297556
Eh I've seen christians that think that works have nothing to do with getting into heaven which is fucking hilarious.
>Be a rapist
>Also a pedophile
>Also I murder my victims
>After torturing them
>Eventually get caught and sentenced to death
>Before my execution some priest dude tells me if I repent I can go to heaven
>After I am executed I go to heaven and have my own loli harem
>>75300317
Do Catholics just not grasp the concept of "moderation"?
>>75297556
> what is lust
Will not masturbating help my dick?
>>75300326
Yes, Christianity is based on the New Covenant, and entrance therein.
Catholicism is based on membership in the Roman Catholic church.
Two totally separate things.
>>75300317
Jews created 4chan
what do you expect?
get out of here while you still can.
>>75299009
>56 minutes
Yeah I'm not watching all that shit. Either sum up their points or drop me off in the right spot of the lecture.
>>75300392
Alcohol
>>75300356
It's your retarded inference. You back it up.
>>75300337
The thing is that... The Pope can be wrong. Listening to the teachings of the Church and beleiving them is what makes you catholic, regardless if the Pope is bad or not...
>>75300362
You don't have to keep proving to me that you're lost and don't know the truth. I'm aware.
>>75300367
Gee, that's in the bible.
And there is nobody who is not a murderer, not a pedophile, not a liar, not a thief, etc., etc., etc.
Now what?
>>75297556
This whole world is sin. It is literally impossible to be sinless
>>75300316
i mean, how would this be accomplished?
explain what some Scriptures advocating such a thing might look like (obviously, this is a *very* hypothetical exercise)
"everyone follow this one guy, who shall be elected by some other guys, who would be appointed by the first guy, etc."
sounds familiar.
but Scripture, in reality, says no such thing.
>>75300347
For you.
Why do women want the perfect man? A high paying job. A decent car. A house. Anything else. God i am a loser.
>>75300482
Which is why the claim of infallibility is non-falsifiable.
When the pope is wrong, it's because the man is wrong. When the pope is right, it's because the office made the man infallible.
>>75297556
>every couple of weeks
>>75298740
So you mean to tell me, if you have sex with your wife and it doesn't result in a child you have committed a sin?
That's absurd.
>>75300482
>Listening to the teachings of the Church and beleiving them is what makes you catholic, regardless if the Pope is bad or not...
Yeah, you should just listen to what the church has to say, even though the head figure of the church is saying that you should take Ahmeds cock
You're really not helping yourself here, buddy
Just fucking admit that Catholics need to get their act together already and we can all go home.
>>75300562
>Now what?
Your religion is retarded and arbitrary to the point where most toddlers understand how to abuse it.
>>75300621
Cute little every day church located in virtually every city in America.
I can see why you hate it so much.
>>75298740
Where the fuck did you get that definition of Adultery from? The strawman company?
>>75300392
Yes, because moderation is such a natural trait of humans. Look at this country, there is no moderation. Shoveling pills, food, booze, sex and every other depravity down your gullets like you just got out of a 50 year stint in prison.
Catholics don't have a problem with moderation, they encourage it by making things a sin. If you think Catholics don't jerk off you're a fucking idiot, they just feel guilty about it so they don't do it all day like you cucks here on 4chan.
Look how passionate about self pleasure you are, you're literally upset that others choose not to paw at themselves like a monkey.
>>75300479
it is common deduction.
>No disagreement
>No schism
>No new church
>Disagreement
>Schism
>New Church...
common sense buddy
>you'll never marry your childhood friend due to numerous reasons.
>>75300514
You don't have to keep driving other people away from the faith with your inarticulate rambling, but you're gonna do it anyway.
>>75300680
I don't even have a religion.
Now what?
why you let religion control your every day lives?
you modify behaviour based on what a really old book says just because it says so?
>>75300702
First Baptist Church of Lexington.
First Baptist Church of Louisville.
What do they believe that's different from each other?
>>75300446
>making up semantics
>he didn't click the image
"Christianity" defines all of Christendom, be it Orthodox, Catholic, or Protestant. Generally, it means any and all religion based on, to a large extent, the teachings Jesus Christ.
Dear lord, your arguing like the Atheists that argue they have "the lack of belief in god" instead of "the belief there is no god.
>>75300693
Cause its literally a cuck shed masquerading as a "humble work for God" faggot
>>75300643
No. Infalliblity is only there when he speaks Ex Cathedra... otherwise he can be wrong or right like everyone else...
>>75297556
>pic of mormon pajamas
>>75300736
You now know you are lost.
Before I got onto your case, you thought you were a Christian.
You cannot be saved if you do not know that you are lost.
If you want to go to hell to spite me, that's your business. You're responsible for what you do with the Truth, not me. I'm only the delivery man.
>>75300704
Abandoing arranged marriage was a criminal error of the West. Compulsory education was the final nail in the coffin for the family
I wish people ate in moderation, not consume over 10 pounds of meals a week. Seeing morbidly obese people should be a sin.
>>75300799
Christianity is the collection of all born again believers from Pentecost to the Rapture.
It includes very few catholics.
>>75300678
So are you saying that I am wrong when I say what makes you Catholic regardless of the Pope and his opinions...
>>75300799
>Generally, it means any and all religion based on, to a large extent, the teachings Jesus Christ
It's funny that you have to explain this to the autists here.
>>75300694
My local bishop
>>75300821
Your opinion is duly noted.
>>75300880
And don't forget the media brainwashing idiots.
>>75299708
You will still be judged by your works.
If you kill and rape and go lel I didn't mean it you are still going to end up in hell most likely.
>>75300786
Personal leadership and how they conduct their church, what bible they read from, etc.
>>75300831
Never. Not ever. A pope made two of the most blasphemous declarations ever ex cathedra in the 1850's deifying Mary.
>>75300944
Then you will give me his name, because I have to send a letter to the inquisition for an investigation, because that's nowhere in the cathechism.
>>75297784
Who is this cum nun?
>>75300738
You are being an autistic retarded when I obviously meant the religion you were defending.
>>75300674
If you used condoms yes, if you did it bareback and didn't pull out then it's fine because you want a child
>>75300866
You keep telling yourself that. God will set you straight, whether it be in heaven or upon heavy-handed judgment. Not a moment of your life will go unanswered for.
>>75300831
And I guess you'll personally decide when he speaks Ex Cathedra and when he doesn't?
Sounds to me like that's that heresy that causes schisms
>>75300933
You talk about the churches teachings yet you refuse to listen to them when you personally don't like them
>when I say what makes you catholic
Gee, there we have those personal opinions you so detested before again
>>75297784
God could be a sneaky bastard. You don't know...
Good nightmares.
>>75300981
People full of the Holy Spirit of God do not run around raping and killing people.
>>75301008
Wow. Got 39,998 more differences?
>>75297556
It's almost exclusively protestants, specifically American protestants, who believe that bullshit.
>>75301009
>deifying
>Mary
>kek
He did not deify mary... have you even read the Council document?
>>75300928
>Doesn't know shit about what he's talking about
>is proves wrong by other anon multiple times
>too hard headed to just fuck off or admit he was wrong
>Catholicism (from Greek kαθολιkισμός, katholikismos, "universal doctrine") and its adjectival form, Catholic, are used as broad terms for describing specific traditions in the Christian churches in theology, doctrine, liturgy, ethics, and spirituality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholicism
You are dumb.
>>75300328
Saved by faith.
Judged by works.
>>75301054
I have never defended any religion.
>>75301067
That is awesome news to me, not the terroristic threat you think it is.
>>75301009
She isn't deified but idealised like Joseph is the ideal man, teaching his son his trade, walking whilst his wife rode, caring for a child that was not his
>>75301073
I never said it was my opinion. and he can only speak Ex Cathedra in specific instances... and only has twice...
>>75298118
Because primitive faggots can't even into critical thought, much like modern theists.
>>75297556
>catholics actually believe that pornography and masturbation is a sin
no shit... if you knew anything about theology of the body, you wouldn't be stupid enough to ask this question.
>if you don't repent you're going to hell?
this is the only reason i'm replying. Catholics have no damned clue who's going to heaven or hell. Frankly, anyone who tells you that they do is probably a cult leader. Pope Francis (and actually every pope since Vatican II) has asserted that humans have no clue God's final judgements, but we know from observation what drives us away from a relationship with God (which is required for heaven). Pornography is one of these things. Is it enough to keep you from heaven? Only God knows that. Is it a sin? Absolutely.
>>75297999
>bbbut it feels good
>bbbut muh feelings!
read the bible for once. If getting in heaven was easy then Jesus wouldn't have had to die on a cross.
If someone goes to hell,what happens to the people in heaven? Do they just forget? After the Book of Revelations is another big question. The souls in hell will disappear in a ball of fire.
>>75301055
So you're telling me my wife and I can't have sex while she is pregnant?
>>75301140
Born sinless.
Did not die but ascended into heaven.
Deified. And 1800 years after the "fact", said "fact" not being recorded by John, Mary's caretaker, in any of the five (5) books of the bible he wrote.
>>75301122
Literally what I just told you... They are all different... that is why they exist!
>>75301122
Everything from Jesus being an alien to Jesus being a father. Denominations aren't churches, by the way, multiple denominations have multiple churches, so your argument is even more retarded.
>>75300701
>If you think Catholics don't jerk off you're a fucking idiot, they just feel guilty about it so they don't do it all day
But they why do they do it at all?
Self control is not that hard. I don't approve of smoking weed, so I just don't do it, despite the fact that I really liked it while I was a freshman in college. I really liked cigarettes too, but I stopped doing them and here I am.
Catholic sexual theology is weird enough, but now you're telling me catholic people don't have self-control? Jesus Christ, your religion just sounds worse all the time.
The prots seem to have it down; "these things are bad in excess, don't do them too much or you go to hell." There we go. Simple. No need to do complex sin-accounting to correct for an assumed inability of people not to masturbate.
>>75301082
That has 100% nothing to do with what I said.
>>75300701
Well put! I'm jerking off way less after I converted.
>>75301145
Catholic used to mean universal, and heretic used to mean against the scriptures.
Language changes. Now catholic means Roman Catholic, and heresy means against the Roman Catholic church.
>>75301287
You wouldn't want to potentially damage the child would you
>>75301230
There's a movement to deify Joseph too?
kek
The more gods the merrier!
>>75297556
Christians believe light came before the sun
that a wood boat held 2 of every animal
that the first few humans to live lived over 500 years
and that they can do whatever they want as long as they say sorry before they die.
>>75301212
Great. I hope that's true. I certainly don't know it to be, or even think that's more likely the case than not. Your "apologetics" are too flashingly brilliant.
>>75301289
The offical word of the Pope doesnt mean that people didnt believe it before hand. Like in the case of Christ and his Persons... Which had to be clarified by the Pope...
>>75301252
And both times were blasphemous abominations.
>>75301284
They live on forever and ever on a remade Earth in complete and absolute perfection.
>>75298117
The point of this sermon was to illustrate the importance of believing in christ. And having faith and asking forgiveness. God knows no one is actually capable of cutting off their own appendages, so that is why it is important to ask forgiveness. It's like this God is love and perfect, like a shining light, and the definition of light in this case meaning the absence of Shadow or sin. You cannot stand in God's presence with sin, the closer you get to the light the more you realize you are dirty... The only way to be with God is to ask forgiveness and have faith in Jesus christ.
>I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the father but through me.
>>75301334
So, they're different because they're in different cities.
Are any catholic churches in different cities?
>>75301342
Please show me 40,000 different denominations.
>>75301410
Any evidence of this happening? During what stage? You're telling me we can only have sex with each other if we produce a child? Absurd.
>>75300779
>mudbaby is confused
back to the swamps with you
>>75299390
Explain to me using only Scripture and patristic sources why
1. The Host is physically transformed rather than given a spiritual dual presence of Christ just as his mortal flesh was. Also, why is the mass viewed as a "sacrifice" when it detracts from Paul's point in Hebrews that it was the once, perfect, and sufficient sacrifice that did not need repetition like animal sacrifice
2. Mary was born sinless, had no other offspring, and died sinless
3. Christ conferred sole decisive authority over all Christendom on Peter AND each successor to his bishopric despite James, physical brother of Christ, being the first president of the Apostles and various points of disputed apostolic succession in the papacy with split popes
4. The concept of purgatory, described nowhere in the Nicene Bible, is true
5. It is better to have unwed men preside as priests despite the handicaps he will deal with advising couples in marriage and the fact that Apostles such as Peter and many great Church Fathers were married.
Protip: you can't. You can just plug your fingers in your ears and chant the Roman hugbox lie of circular logic.
Rome is right because it's muh "One True Church." It's muh "One True Church" because it's right.
Wycliffe and later Cranmer and Cromwell (Thomas) had it right.
>>75301455
An eternity has to end. There has to be other universes and worlds with parallel selves of us.
>>75301351
It refuted it entirely. Get some salve.
>>75300701
I'm Catholic and I don't masturbate. It's pretty easy to avoid, in fact. All it takes is self-control and knowing your limits (knowing what an occasion of sin might be for you personally, for example).
>>75301448
By who's authority do you call it Blasphemous? Did you receive the keys of Heaven from Christ himself?
>>75301434
First three are correct, last one is not.
>>75300928
Let me explain this slowly and in a manner that your fundamentalist mind could comprehend via simple infograph
>>75301530
what??
>>75301434
God is light, said Light Be before He made the sun, and light was. We believe the rest of those things too, as they are properly in the bible.
So yeah, we believe the truth.
>>75301498
You seem to not understand Protestant Churches... They have no unity... There is no code agreed upon. They all vary in their beliefs...
>>75301443
While your dullness limps on.
>>75301394
>Even though people define it as such, I define it the other way which makes me right
Great argument lmao. It's still defined the way you say it isn't, even google defines it that way when you google Catholicism.
I mean really, you're using liberal argument tactics now. You lost this argument a long ass time ago to that other anon.
>>75301447
Keep kidding yourself junior.
>>75301524
>75301524
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_by_number_of_members
Have fun.
>>75301548
No. Not necessarily.
>>75301559
No, it had absolutely nothing to do with it. We weren't talking about people filled with the Holy Spirit dude.
>>75299675
> You can masturbate while thinking about your spouse. You can masturbate while reading about married people having sex in fiction, rather than imagining yourself having sex. You can watch porn of married people, and get aroused at them, while removing any thought of yourself fornicating.
Except we both know you're not doing that when you jerk off.
>>75297784
> Zzziiiiiing
>>75301637
>God is light
nice save! Guess god just had some lasers or some shit to do that one
>>75301561
He got it. Orthodox Christian here, and I never masturbated myself. Are you people really this empty that you cannot find pleasure in anything but jacking off?
>>75301634
i know that your village still worships various poop gods and sacrifices cows but holy shit dont be so clueless
>>75301539
>Wycliffe and later Cranmer and Cromwell (Thomas) had it right.
Yeah they did. How we forgot that the papists murdered over 68,000,000 Christians and Jews over the past ten centuries is nothing short of demonic interference.
life on earth is temporary and is simply a test.
If u masturbate u are a weak mind spirit and u fail the test
>>75301548
An eternity by definition never ends.
>>75300701
>catholics don't have a problem with moderation
moderate masturbation is still a mortal sin. there's certain things that cannot be "moderate" but outright sin.
>if you think Catholics dont jerk off
this is because catholics are victims of sin, too. not because they're okay with doing it every once in a while.
>>75301344
because pornography and masturbation is an addiction, which nowadays is very cheap and easy to satisfy.
>there's at least seven tabs just at the top of this page for easy access
>>75301711
Not me, but plenty of married people masturbate while thinking of their spouses. More to the point, it could theoretically happen, and if it did there would be no room in catholic theology for that. It is a blanket ban, despite the fact that extenuating factors can in theory exist.
>>75301728
God created the entire universe. You think producing light is a challenge?
>>75297556
>Catholics actually believe that watching porn and masturbating is a sin?
it is. masturbation does nothing productive. its cheap pleasure just like every other masturbatory act (drugs, random sex with strangers, hedonism, etc.)
you heathens need to learn that man must go through hardship to truly perfect himself. diamonds are not formed without intense pressure.
masturbation distracts one from gods love and loving god. it is the love of self
>And if you don't repent of it you're going to hell?
potentially.
hell is not the eternal fire pit that protestants would like you to believe. its separation from god. a good analogy is addiction.
>>75301564
By my High Priest's. Same High Priest Who gave Peter those keys, and watched Peter use them twice. And twice was the maximum number of uses for those keys, and nobody but Peter ever had possession of them.
>>75301730
When you feel like you are falling into the woes of temptation, is there any particular prayer you have?
>>75301797
what the fuck are you talking about? i'm not religious
>>75301604
That may be what you believe, but it is as false as your church is false.
It all ways amazes me the amount of stupidity I see by Americans in threads like these. All you Protestants do you actually look into the history of Christianity? Or do you just blindly accept whatever your parents were doing?
And to the people who say "God would want me to enjoy myself" stop justifying your sin. If you were into smearing shit on yourself, God would not want you doing that. He doesn't want you smoking weed and drinking to the point of blacking out. And he certainty doesn't want you fucking 50 people before marriage. Masturbation is a sin just like the rest, don't try to justify your sinning.
Look into the history of Christianity, rather than spouting shit you have no knowledge about. Or spouting shit just because of your feelings. Or even worse misinterpreting the Bible to fit how you want something done.
i.e - reading the Bible so it justify homosexuality
>>75301730
>Are you people really this empty that you cannot find pleasure in anything but jacking off?
No, they also get pleasure from shoving shit up their asses and watching other men fuck women on a screen. Completely healthy life style though. Us religious people are the crazy ones apparently.
>>75301684
Do you know about the heresy of Arianism or Nestoriansim? They had to be clarified as heresy when they appeared to challenge the Truth...
>>75301829
So wait after the world ends just what is this new heaven and earth? Another big bang? What of tye people who died early on never born? I hate the concept of dating. Ruined marriages and what people want. Some just use each other.
>>75301644
I understand them well as they are full of my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus, and I love them all.
>>75300693
Think about this for a second, these fuckers are in just about every single little small town and village in America, a relatively newer country compared to eurozone. Religion is powerful
>>75301662
Both of our posts are all over the archives - who is the more rational and articulate anyone can judge.
Ja ne~
>>75297556
one word
lust
>>75299999
check'd
>>75301644
B-but the word of God is unchanging!
>>75301682
It's RCC catechism that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic church.
So no, it's not "universal".
And as I know that I know that I am saved, and I know that I know that I have no part in the Catholic church whatsoever, I know them to be false.
>>75297556
Point of sex is to create offspring, if you're jacking off and indulging in a lot of lusts all the time outside of creating offspring you typically grow warped or delude your essence. Go look at /d/ if you think this isn't true, people that delve into lusts grow a bit insane.
Reason you don't indulge in foolish lusts, and instead use your lusts correctly is because lusts for the sake of lust tend to lead people to foolish places in life or ruin them. There's maybe a dozen stories in the Bible alone of people being ruined by their own lust, not to mention all stories of all time. You're more virile if you don't jack off and instead use that semen in a women correctly, and you're more motivated for society since you have to work for it.
You can't be living for lust in itself, sex isn't evil according to the Bible, but it does have the potential to lead man astray pretty quickly. Same is true for all the deadly sins. None of them are innately evil by themselves, but when done outside of moderation man quickly loses his way.
Eating isn't bad at all, but gluttony sure leads a man downward at times. Sex isn't bad, but lust can lead man to strange places and degeneracy. Anger isn't bad, but wrath can make a fool of yourself that you can never take back afterwards.
>>75301905
When did peter use them twice? And then who propagated the Bible as it is that it is the word of God without question?
>>75301686
I said Christian churches, not churches that wiki thinks are Christian.
>humanity existed for 120 million years
I, i can't comprehend.
>>75302163
>Oh, I don't accept your list because it shows I am wrong
Are you a unitarian by any chance?
>>75301995
Doesn't matter how it happens. The point is that it will happen. Do you believe that? If so do you want to be a part of it?
That's all that matters.
>>75301996
Even the ones that deny the divinity of Chrst?
>>75301961
Or from living vicariously through people posting on Jewish-created propaganda forums like this one while they rot in their rooms and never do anything in real life. really, 4chan is just verbal masturbation
>>75301931
A prayer? Why bother God with something a simple self-control can help? I just don't fall for a temptation.
>>75302151
>women
Some are manipulative cunts who want the perfect man like Jamal.
>>75301853
>moderate masturbation is still a mortal sin. there's certain things that cannot be "moderate" but outright sin.
So is coveting thy neighbor but catholics do it. You're not supposed to live sin free, it's impossible and christ knows that. That's why you confess your mortal sins and repent for them. I don't know if you're arguing with me or what.
>>75302203
Possibilities and many universes. Seeing other versions of us in the after life.
>>75302095
That's... an amazing claim. To say you can simply declare yourself saved and that makes it fact and therefore everyone saying otherwise is wrong. I am really curious what denomination begins with the position "I am saved becaused I say so" and then develops a theology to back it up.
>>75301706
Your idiotic idea that christians think they can run around and rape and murder people and still get into heaven is completely and utterly refuted by saying that's what non-christians think; Holy Spirit filled Christians do not engage in that behavior.
You cannot be a Christian without being filled with the Holy Spirit of God. It's literally definitional.
So are you saying Hitler is in hell?
>>75301728
He is light.
Like, He literally lights up the world with His presence in the future from atop the New Jerusalem.
>>75298440
Comparing rape to masterbation.
This fucking guy...
Some people use the church as an excuse for a getaway, even though they don't put faith in god.
>>75302151
Good post.
>>75302232
You must be closer to Him than I am.
Prayer also leads us closer and is necessary is it not? Shouldn't all Biblical study be performed after earnest prayer?
>>75301988
I do! Do you know that Arius was Constantine's adviser, and that if Constantine ever became a Christian, it was on his deathbed at the hands of this heretic?
Remember Constantine?
The creator of the Roman Catholic Church?
>>75297556
catholics also often believe that sucking off big schnoz ethnic khazar kike priests is not only a good thing but it should be kept secret so it can continue...
a dumber conspiracy theory... well i heard about this giant kike nigger in the sky that judges you after you die...kind of like santa but no presents
this giant kike nigger in the sky had a big nose rape baby with some other kikes wife and the little rape baby bastard said "turn the other cheek whenever kikes fuck you over and let them fuck you over some more"
i think that is the dumbest conspiracy theory ever... and i doubt anyone will ever believe that stupid shit...
>>75297990
Tradition is the only thing separating us from animals. But go ahead and stop celebrating anything because those are just lame traditions. Go ahead and shit on the street because the tradition of shitting in a bathroom is oppressive.
>>75302317
By definition there is only one Universe.
This multi verse theory isn't based on any sort of empirical evidence.
Do you want to be a part of it, or not?
>>75298186
Or we could point out that science later proved that masturbation is awful for you from a psychological standpoint.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMJgZ4s2E3w
>>75302343
That guy.
But Catholics also wallow in dogmatic absurdity, except instead of "I'm saved because I say so" it's "I'm saved because my priests tell me if I believe this I'll be saved, and I think I believe this, so I think I'm saved".
>>75302230
>really, 4chan is just verbal masturbation
No argument from me. I'm ashamed for every minute I spend here. 4chan doesn't stop me from building a good life though because it doesn't satisfy any my of urges or drives like masturbation does. I went out, got a job and an education and made myself attractive enough to find a woman to have sex with because I couldn't just go to my room and jerk off in my bed.
Justify your life however you like though guys, it has no impact on me.
>>75301942
>That may be what you believe
Are fucking serious. I'm not arguing which is the "true church" you brain-dead evangelical.
I'm arguing the actual, unbiased definition of Christianity, which literally means "anybody that believes in Jesus".
>>75302249
you made it sound as though masturbation was acceptable so long as you moderated it
>either that or i misinterpreted the fuck out of it
I wanted to clarify. Yes, it is impossible for anyone outside of Mary to live sin free. It's not that you aren't /supposed to/, it's that it's impossible.
you're /supposed to/ strive to be sinless, and accept your faults and reconcile them as soon as possible. but as i said before, we're all human, and sinning is inevitable.
>>75302548
"In addition, if any writing composed by Arius should be found, it should be handed over to the flames, so that not only will the wickedness of his teaching be obliterated, but nothing will be left even to remind anyone of him. And I hereby make a public order, that if someone should be discovered to have hidden a writing composed by Arius, and not to have immediately brought it forward and destroyed it by fire, his penalty shall be death. As soon as he is discovered in this offense, he shall be submitted for capital punishment....."
—Edict by Emperor Constantine against the Arians[30]
How strange...
>>75297556
>Catholics actually believe that watching porn and masturbating is a sin?
Is one of the basic prohibitions of the sects that emerged from the old judaism. You can't waste your seed because you'll have to use it all to produce more kids that will be indoctrinated to expand the organisation.
Catholic.com
>Catholics, on the other hand, recognize that the Bible does not endorse this view and that, in fact, it is repudiated in Scripture. The true "rule of faith"—as expressed in the Bible itself—is Scripture plus apostolic tradition, as manifested in the living teaching authority of the Catholic Church, to which were entrusted the oral teachings of Jesus and the apostles, along with the authority to interpret Scripture correctly.
In the Second Vatican Council’s document on divine revelation, Dei Verbum (Latin: "The Word of God"), the relationship between Tradition and Scripture is explained: "Hence there exists a close connection and communication between sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture. For both of them, flowing from the same divine wellspring, in a certain way merge into a unity and tend toward the same end. For sacred Scripture is the word of God inasmuch as it is consigned to writing under the inspiration of the divine Spirit. To the successors of the apostles, sacred Tradition hands on in its full purity God’s word, which was entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit.
>>75302369
I didn't say that. You want to talk about how filled with God you are. Yet you have done nothing but insult nearly everyone ITT. Quite ridiculous and God is ashamed.
>>75302622
Then what happens to relatives or friends who condemn to hell? There will be a hole in your tree.
>>75302423
Both are forms of lust. Though one is obviously worse than the other.
>>75301995
>So wait after the world ends just what is this new heaven and earth?
Yes, after God judges the earth, there will be a new heaven and a new earth, and the things unseen will come into our space and be seen. Including God, and including the New Jerusalem, and including the assembly of the angels.
>Another big bang?
I don't subscribe to the theory, but essentially yes:
2 Peter 3
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
> What of tye people who died early on never born?
Anyone, including babies, who never reach their own personal age of accountability are not guilty of anything under the Law. They all go to heaven.
>I hate the concept of dating.
Do it more and get better at it.
>Ruined marriages and what people want.
Picking a mate is 95% of your joy or 95% of your agony. Pick well.
>Some just use each other.
Welcome to the depravity of mankind.
>>75302056
I'd say.
>>75302642
I must have worded my prior post poorly because I'm 100 percent in agreement with you.
>>75302632
I didn't know Catholics practices Sola Fide, Praceteom.
>>75302632
correction: Catholics don't believe (or rather aren't supposed to) that they're saved. They're supposed to strive to be saved and when they die and meet Christ in heaven (or be reformed in purgatory), THEN they will be saved.
>>75302542
That's correct. But let's not put Biblical study and a prayer to ward off the desire to wank on the same pedestal.
>>75302634
It's harder when you're literally autistic (and this was before I ever masturbated or used the internet) and completely lack the nonverbal skills necessary to ever be a father. I need to choose a path of celibacy I think, I can't see myself ever being able to raise a family especially given my horrible genetics
>>75302765
What about them?
>>75302060
The worldly will likely agree with you, and the godly will likely agree with me.
Do you enjoy that company? Friendship with the world?
James 4
Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
>>75298118
Probably because the customs worked out for the previous generation. Just because something is "tradition" doesn't make it right, and it doesn't make it worthless either.
If we are being honest our ancestors in the 1900s were getting the fingered wagged at them for sullying the traditions of their ancestors.
>>75302156
Pentecost to open heaven to the Jews in Jerusalem, and at the house of the Gentile Cornelius to open heaven to the Gentiles.
Heaven is now open to both Jew and Gentile, and everyone is one or the other.
Protestants are mentally ill. It's hilarious how they criticize Catholics for being dogmatic when they have spawned the absolute worst tyrannies and fucked up practices. See:
>Resurgence in circumcision
>Temperance movement
>Sharia-esque commitment to imposing religious law on others.
>Christian Science movement; i.e let my kid die to typhoid at age 3 because antibiotics are against gods will.
>Destruction of beautiful statues and works of art under the pretense of destroying "idolatry"
> Resurgence in Witch burnings
>"Whipping the devil" out of people
>Puritanical demonetization of sex, causing white birth rates to plummet as a result.
Time and again, Protestants have proven themselves to be the enemies of Western civilization.
>>75302193
I also don't see 40,000 different listings.
And no.
>>75302908
Some people don't attend church for decades until death and can they be forgiven in purgatory despite not attending mass? Even if you're not a cruel person?
>>75302893
Okay, so I'm asking for some help. I'm a wretch, that why I asked for a prayer that may help. You are stronger in spirit than I, how do I become stronger?
>>75302208
Then they are not my brothers and sisters, now, are they.
Churches do not save people. Nobody has ever been saved by a church.
>>75302856
With real faith necessarily comes works unless in extraordinary circumstances in which someone comes to faith right before they die, and are thus unable to do anything with their faith in the world. It's a completely inane non-distinction.
>>75302735
god should be ashamed for what his chosen kikes have done
"god" shit out one little kike named heyzeus who said "gentiles are less than dogs"
no big nose pharacees supremacists have been using gods catholic bullshit to rape and pedo and cuck the dog gentiles for a millenia... god should spank that stupid big nose nigger bastard
>>75302862
It should be noted that nobody goes straight to heaven, except the utterly holy, such as the saints. All go through purgatory if they have at least confessed their sins.
>>75302343
Epignosis is awesome, yes. It doesn't come from any "denomination" or "religion".
Of course it's a sin, and you don't even have to be religious or believe in God to realize it's harmful for both body and soul. 'Hell' is a metaphor, such place doesn't exist physically, it's a metaphor for state of your mind and soul without God, and God is, again, a metaphor for all the good that exists, love, empathy, compassion, morality and truth. Satan is the ultimate evil, all bad that exists, and porn and masturbation lead to his path.
>>75303056
Can the Church that Christ created not save anyone?
>>75298270
Catholicism today in zero way represents the christian traditions of even the 1600s let alone the middle ages.
>>75302423
If you lust after a woman and rape her in your fantasies, you're guilty of rape in the eyes of God.
The Law takes into account opportunity and power. If your heart wants to rape someone, and you are given opportunity and power, you will commit the act.
>>75302905
How is autism holding you back though? Is it just self doubt? Honestly, most autistic people don't seem as bad they think they are.Your post doesn't come off as somebody who has severe autism.
>>75303026
Purgatory as far as I know is completely unbiblical.
If you are baptized and truly repent for your sins you can be saved.
>>75300944
>My local bishop
>>75302980
I have always found
>>75303019
Again, what denomination are you?
Also, I said "start". Open all the links to the denominations. They are there.
>>75303068
Ah, so you don't believe in Sola Fide and agree with catholic theology. Welcome to the fold.
>>75303131
No, it really isn't. That's how you get scientific Jesus and you.
>>75302635
The devil believes in Jesus.
Is the devil a Christian?
>>75297556
NICE STAND UP ROUTINE KIKE WANNABE
> But seriously whats wrong with that belief?
I'm irrevocably atheist but that isn't what i take issue with.
> Wanking might be frowned upon in a social system.
> Why does OP single this out?
>>75303224
Check the OT they pray for the dead... meaning that there is a purgatory....
>>75297556
No catholic actually believes that
That is a nutty evangelical christ thing.
You'll be very hard pressed to find a catholic who has a problem with fornication.
>>75298440
Pff says the man whos pope was kissing the feet of the muslims ur religion is crap
>>75302862
I don't find many Catholics who are capable of arguing Scripture that don't assert their own salvation.
I'll take your word for it for now. Though the concept of purgatory is absurd.
>>75303335
You are confusing a man with a Church...
>>75303214
I can't read facial expressions normally or ever be able to really "put myself in someone's shoes" and feel empathy the way other people do. I have a massive amount of trouble regulating my voice level and even judging volume of sound in conversation, among other things. I've trained myself but I know I'm just faking and repeating rote memorized skills, it's not intuition.
2 Timothy 3:16
Every scripture is God breathed and useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness
John 10:35 If he called them gods, to whom to word of God was spoken, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Matthew 19
The proud religious law-keepers came to Jesus. They tried to trap Him by saying, “Does the Law say a man can divorce his wife for any reason?” 4 He said to them, “Have you not read that He Who made them in the first place made them man and woman? 5 It says, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will live with his wife. The two will become one.’ 6 So they are no longer two but one. Let no man divide what God has put together.”
7 The proud religious law-keepers said to Jesus, “Then why did the Law of Moses allow a man to divorce his wife if he put it down in writing and gave it to her?” 8 Jesus said to them, “Because of your hard hearts Moses allowed you to divorce your wives. It was not like that from the beginning.
>>75301080
nah, god is life and he hates everytime you do something stupid to your body, like drugs
or too much sugar
or too much watching tv
or too much sitting in your hole of a home
or too much doing of nothing, doing nothing at all
literally all this, just describes the cringing of your body, your body just dries out
its not the ultimate trouble, but if you don't have a chance anymore to come out of your shithole of life, then my friend, your doomed
even if you just have eaten lil bit too much fat and done no sport at all, might send you to hell
because in the end you might look like the average wallmart american, you're just not an organism anymore at that point and I wouldn't want to share my time with such things also.
yes those are "things" not humans.
>>75303289
The Devil doesn't believe in Jesus. The devil knows that Jesus is real and is the son of God.
>>75298548
That's insane
No priest is going to tell you this. Stop listening to nuts and spouting bullshit.
>>75302932
Most of the apologists I know would say you're one of those people who push people away from the faith, actually. But of course the most selfless, educated, and God-fearing people I've ever known pale in comparison to Dogmatic Shitposter #7 on 4Chan's /pol/ board.
>>75303303
And why do they pray for the dead?
Can you post exact verse you are referencing.
>>75302643
Despite the efforts of the emperor, the Nicene Creed did not completely settle the issue. The emperor soon began to listen to Arian sympathizers. He even reinstated Eusebius of Nicomedia. He also removed some pro-Nicene bishops. After Constantine’s death, his three sons allowed many of the pro-Nicene bishops to return to their positions.
Keep reading.
>>75303042
Pray for God to help you be stronger against your lust. It will take time to kick the habit, I won't say try kick your habit cold turkey but try not to give in to easily. And when you fall, pray again for strength and you'll get stronger and stronger.
You've got a good start acknowledging you're a wretch and wanting to make a change. Just keep trying. As for prayers that you can do, not sure on your faith. But if Catholic maybe try pray the Rosary every time you want to have a wank? It definitely kills your lust.
If not maybe just drop to your knees and pray to the lord the 'Our Father' or your own personal prayer asking to keep away from masturbating.
Also may I recommend this video for you;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuTPylRXKd8
please give it a watch
>>75303289
Are you stupid? The devil is the anti christian. He doesn't worship Jesus as the son of god, he goes against all of Jesus's teachings and even tries to tempt him in the desert.
No, Satan isn't a Christian. He's a Christian figure though.
So drawings of erotic fiction is a sin.
>>75303182
Of course not. And especially if you're talking about Mystery Babylon that came around 300 years later.
>>75303510
this applies to all 4chan/internet users including you.
I literally question whether computer programming is a sin. It changes the brain to be.. inhuman
>>75303281
No, I think faith is what matters, but works necessarily comes with real faith. The faith precedes the works. That's both what Catholics believe and what Protestants believe; they constantly bicker over a *complete* non-point by failing to understand what the other means when they talk about faith and works respectively.
>>75298270
Way off base, britcuck.
>>75303577
II Maccabees 12:39-45
>>75303374
Hes the pope therefore he represents the interests of the church, therefore go kiss some syrian feet ur church has been degenerating for a long time such as pedo priests and other popes have protected them.
Then there's people who want immortality or uplod our consciousness into the computer.
I always thought that if there is a God, why would he make us want to masturbate if he didn't want us to do so? Seems like an exercise in pointlessness, which doesn't seem appropriate for a God. Unless he's an asshole, but in that case there's really nothing to do anyway.
>>75303581
Thank you based New Zealand anon. Thank you.
>>75303289
>arguing semantics
>again
Did you even bother to look at pic-related?
Before, I at least had some respect in protestants, but now, with your utter insolence, you've lowered that respect to none.
>>75303578
So which is it? Did he want to kill them or did he kinda like them? So did he switch from killing heretics to liking them?
>>75299211
No its not, jesus never said that.
The only person who said that was that kike paul
>>75303281
How many times do I have to say I'm not of any religion or denomination? Shouldn't once suffice?
You provided me with a wiki page that included Catholics, Orthodox and other pagans. I'll pass.
Epignosis is awesome. If you ever had it, you would know. No clue what "scientific Jesus and you" means.
>>75303303
Bullshit.
>>75303753
That line of thinking is what led me to realize that programming and computer science is just witchcraft in disguse.
>>75303669
So Christ could not create something that could save? So he was limited in his actions of saving? That is blasphemy...
>>75303309
So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth.
~ Revelation 3:16
Get out of here with your luke-warm Catholicism, we accept all of Gods will not just what we feel like accepting. Masturbation and fornication are sins.
>>75303344
They're told by their church they cannot know for sure they're saved until the afterlife; hence extreme unction is one of their "sacraments".
Do you know anything about, well, anything religious?
>>75303812
People =/= ideas.
>>75303788
He doesn't. All temptation comes from the devil. So when you ask, why is God making me want to masturbate? You are asking the wrong question. Satan is the one trying to lead you away from God.
>>75303819
Paul wasn't a Jew my man.
>>75297556
No such thing as heaven or hell. Religions are all man made and Christianity is jewish made.
But watching porn and masturbating is degenerate and will fuck up your life. Fact.
Avoid all "sins". Not because of some God or some afterlife that may or may not exist. Vices give you a small amount of pleasure but result in a large amount of unhappiness.
Avoid degeneracy. Practice self control and self discipline. You will have a better, happier life.
>>75303401
As long as you know you lack empathy and think like a psychopath, I believe you can condition yourself to behave as though you could. You just have to exert effort where other people do not, and that can also become awkward.
Keep up the good work.
>>75303525
So, the devil does more than just "believe in Jesus".
Is the devil a super-Christian then?
>>75303026
>can they be forgiven in purgatory despite not attending mass?
this is the problem with people today... they don't understand what the pope has actually said on this matter (and not just Pope Francis who /pol/ loves to hate):
We do not know how God will judge his children. [so, who am i to judge?] No man knows the soul of another person but God, and thus only God can judge him.
>this is supported by scripture, see the splinter in one's eye comment
point being: no human person can ever tell you if someone is going to heaven, hell, purgatory, whatever. It's not for us to decide this. Only God can determine this judgement, as it is based on HIS relationship with YOU. That said, if you're relationship with him is only visiting him on christmas while your parents are in town meanwhile jerking your unused wiener till it falls off, then chances are your relationship with him is as poor as your relationship with your totally existent girlfriend.
>>75303344
>i argue with tons of catholics but evidently not a single educated priest
cool.
>>75303669
I am deeply confused. Are you saying that s
>>75303715
Not really a non-issue considering the deep implications of Sola Fide, but whatever rationalization you have to make, Praceteom.
>>75303825
A denomination literally built upon the concept epignosis who also believes Jesus was an Alien who travels in a spaceship. And a non-denominational christian? The Scientific Jesus comparison was not wrong, I see.
Your theological base is impressively week if self-delusion is its core.
>>75303848
I see we have reached the zenith of your argumentative skills.
>>75303943
I was unaware I was obligated to study a group of people who I hold as completely misguided and wrong beyond those points wherein I find them entirely misguided and wrong.
You've blown my mind.
>>75301798
I don't care about the Jews though. They were typically either killed by mobs for usuring to the point where the populations dealt with them harshly or in cases like the Inquisition where Jews pretending to be Christian and still enacting heinous usury on people were requested to be tried by the Church (who dealt more fairly with them than the civil authorities). With Jews demanding your daughters in payment for the 200% interest on grain they lent you last year, you didn't have many humane options.
Additionally, some protestants like the anabaptists, particularly like King Jan of Munster, were horny, bloodthirsty sociopaths who needed to be put down like rabid dogs. I like a lot of things about Rome, but some of their dogma is pure autistic fantasy.
Anglicanism, Lutheranism, and a lot of Presbyterianism as well as Eastern Orthodoxy agree on many things and are good in that they seek to emulate the Early Church without the theological contamination of neo-platonism that snuck in during the medieval period. Especially the Anglicans and the Orthodox. Anglican patristic scholarship is viewed as the best in the world.
>>75303566
And yet here you are, unsaved by their efforts as well.
I think I'll just keep being me.
>>75303805
Best of luck to you anon. And if you don't watch the video, the jist of it is the following:
>God does not believe you have to be perfect
>He does not instantly expect you to quit your sin straight away
>When you fall, he does not hate you. He loves and forgives you and wants the best for you
>Keep on trying and eventually you'll get there
>>75304056
Behave yes,
the thing is, I don't want to be lying I want to actually feel it normally. The one thing I know is I hate lying, I have an obsessive honesty. That's really one of the differences between autism and being a psychopath. I can't stop saying everything I think all the time. I would never even be able to be a serial killer or anything like that, I'd end up killing myself first. Though I really don't think of violent stuff at all
>>75303655
I was told by Anon here that to be saved you just had to believe in Jesus.
All the demons believe in Jesus.
Are they saved?
>>75304111
No. Is this an actual question? I won't answer unless I believe you are sincere, in which case, your mental state has been thoroughly damaged by Satan.
>>75303812
Jesus didn't start a religion though. So maybe wiki is wrong, and the bible is right?
>>75297556
>Catholics actually believe that watching porn and masturbating is a sin?
Sounds more like america
>>75303401
So what's the problem? Do what you're already doing but don't doubt yourself. You need to read some Hemingway and realize life is your adventure and the people in it don't matter than much. Talk however you talk and lead yourself through life. Autism is just a challenge for you to overcome as a man. Sounds corny but you just have to dig deep and have some faith in yourself. People aren't as bad as they are on 4chan.
>>75303788
God gave us our libido so we would go forth and multiply and procreate. As for masturbation its part of our inherit nature that God did not make us with. We weren't supposed to be sinners.
>>75304132
I've argued with priests too. It doesn't end much differently than chatting with other laymen Catholics, except they're often a little more polite - except for one who was an impatient man and dogmatic, just like sir fhHxyaddayadda.
>>75304111
For fucks sake.
"Believe" as in worship him as the son of God, not believe as in "I believe there is X".
A protestant once again proving why sola scriptura is heretical- can't even comprehend basic context.
>>75303818
I'm saying the Nicean council ended with Arius in disgrace, but that the exile ended, Arianism grew in power, and it was Arius at Constantine's bedside at the end.
>>75304157
Faith necessitates works. What, then, is your issue with Sola Fide? Unless you can articulate one, I'm just going to hold you're being contrarian for no other reason than to be so.
>>75304209
I will definitely watch it. Thank you again. God bless you.
What about people who don't watch their diet and wound up 400 pounds?
>>75303906
Why are you talking about salvation when you haven't a clue what salvation is?
Why are you talking for Jesus, when you have never met Him?
>>75304263
They are already damned. That is what hell was made for in the first place. For Satan and the fallen angels.
>>75304263
Christianity as defined as an established religion here on earth, fucktard.
>>75303951
This is not true. There are three sources of temptation.
Your flesh.
The world.
The devil.
And there are three types of sin:
Lust of the eyes.
Lust of the flesh,
Pride of life.
Porn hits on all of those issues from all of those directions. That's why it's so powerful.
You like it.
>>75304204
>if I keep repeating it enough it'll be true
Literally Catholic-tier reasoning. Tell me, oh great mind-reader, what am I thinking right now?
>>75304028
He was a Pharisee, part of the Sanhedrin, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Jew Jew Jew.
>>75303951
I find the notion of Satan to be bullshit, God is supposed to be all powerful, so how would some whiny fallen angel cause him trouble at all? Seems like Satan is just another horror story told to keep people in line hundreds of years ago.
>>75304361
But he made us, so why are we sinners? He could have made us not to be, but didn't, so all I can follow is what I've been made to be. It's probably worth mentioning that I don't follow any church in particular, I just interpret reality in the most reasonable way I can based off the idea of a God.
>>75304609
>>pride of life
that's what worries me the most.
I'm afraid that even enjoying what I do, working with technology , is sinful pride of life, it's trying to make man into God. I worry that I need to give up my job and comforts, literally to go live as a farmer or hard laborer to lose my pride of life.
>>75302095
Presumption is a sin against the Holy Ghost.
>>75304157
Epignosis does not refer to any particular denomination; it's just a level of knowledge.
Nobody in the OT prayed for the dead with any effect. The claim is bullshit. I remain a Penn and Teller fan.
>>75304609
Your flesh is part of the world, Jamal.
>>75304609
All of which that has the possibility of sinning or leading to sin is of the Devil. It's not of God. It's not of man. That leaves the Devil.
>>75304186
You don't have to do anything. It would be nice if you revealed that you don't actually know anything, rather than us having to drag it out of you one obvious piece at a time.
>>75304188
88 check'd
Having a problem with the Jews is having a problem with God. Poke them, and you poke God in the eye. Best to leave them to their own devices.
>>75303670
Yea, I questioned that too and the ones who I met were computer programmer were some huge manchilds but they did their job which actually made them also "mans"
I dont know, but Im sure its the same as masturbating and playing video games all life long, it doesn't fullfill your life, actually there isn't anything which fullfills your life because you need many things in the right pattern that they will fullfill your life with happyness
so, aslong as you have the right amount and affiliation of everything, maybe even drugs,
you will be ok, but a human always should watch his body and his mind, if he realise something got worse he should change something, the most simple thing in the earth but the earth is still full of shit, its like I could smell and hear and watch that the beast was just released.. Humanz do much shit nowadays, much more than ever before, theyre all ill, I hope god will find somewhere in the future a resolution for even those who might end up in hell, because thats something which is hard to believe that it should actually exist but it still does because of free will...
it makes only sense that hell exists because god lost the interest in those creatures which are there, but this is wrong for some reason I think because he is infinite. and the hell is just a place of the number 0
there isn't anything colder than 0° C and -1 is a lie
>>75297556
the tl;dr of catholicism is "don't be a self-serving degenerate"
>>75304748
You might want to read what I said: the denomination of the Scientific Jesus bases it's validity upon the idea of epignosis, while also holding Jesus was an alien in a spaceship. Their believes, under your understanding, are as valid as yours.
Also, 2 Maccabees 12:46.
>>75304908
Kinda?
>>75304236
I think just the fact that you're willing to put in the work is pretty awesome. I did not mean to infer that you were violent, merely that many current studies have shown links between how autistic people think and how psychopaths think, especially concerning a lack of empathy.
You can be the opposite of a psychopath, and are well on your way to doing it.
Again, good job.
>>75302726
>>75303505
You can see Jesus Cherished the scriptures and used it as proof for truth of God when going against religious authorities.
Where's does scripture say anything about the holyness or sanctity of tradition? Especially in relation to scripture.
If you read the Greek in this scripture the terms used for rock and Peter are different; Peter being used to show a small pebble like rock and the second word referring to a large boulder like stone leading me to conclude Jesus is speaking of Peters faith rather then Peter himself. Just like how our faith gives us the Keys to heaven, and are to attain the same spirit that judges the tribes of all nations upon judgement day.
>They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
“But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
Belief that Jesus is the promised one begets us God, not belief in the pope
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/16-18.htm
>>75304655
Because Satan leads us away from God. Satan causes God problems because he turns Gods creation against Him, which lands them in hell. Which God does not want.
>>75304277
It's my way of pointing out how absurd it is to say that all you have to do to be a christian is to "believe in Jesus".
>>75304807
You couldn't find a single thing I've ever posted as if I knew about that I knew nothing of. Unlike our glorious king Jamal the Mind-reader fhHxndyD, I actually utilize logic and intellectual honesty/humility when I articulate my arguments.
>>75304372
So now all you have to do is worship Jesus as the Son of God, and you're a Christian.
Mind backing that up with a bible verse, just for kicks?
>>75304585
Christianity is not a religion.
Religion, from religio, is a system of bondage.
Pharisaical Judaism and Roman Catholicism are religions; Christianity is not.
>>75305062
And I literally never said that. I think you confused me with another poster anon.
>>75304872
>muh chosen people
When Paul says God curses those who curse Israel, he's talking about the children of the New Covenant (also called the New Testament). That's the Church. Christ-denying jews who spit on the Church should live in mortal fear of hellfire and spat on by God-fearing Christians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im-ik2jTKVo
http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/are-jews-gods-chosen-people
http://goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/spiritual/home_study/romans11.htm
>>75304761
Holy fuck you can't get the simplest concept right. While your flesh is in the world, the world is a system with principalities and powers.
>>75305038
I don't believe Ssatan exists. If God is perfect, how could he have accidentally created Satan capable of falling in the first place? Unless God intended for Satan to fall, in which case you have to assume that God intended for Satan to mess with his creations for all of time, but as you say, God doesn't want any of that.
>>75305109
I've never seen you make a single valid argument.
Not one.
And I've been here for years.
>>75305282
they aren't even worthy of christian spittle
>>75305257
Read the post again. I did not attribute the error to you.
>>75305282
God told Abraham that before Saul was conceived.
Reminder that arguing poorly or cruelly and insulting each other while trying to speak about God is the product of Satan.
>>75305147
>>75305231
>self-fufilling circular reasoning
>arguing with semantics even further
Alright, >>75305109, lad for once I wholly agree with you, this guy's grade-A retard.
>>75305342
There are no accidents.
In order for you to properly use your agency, you have to have apparently viable alternatives.
For Jesus, Against Jesus.
Satan is there if you want to choose Against Jesus.
>>75305475
So, no bible verse backing up your nonsense.
Because you don't know what salvation is.
And you don't know how to be saved.
Proving you are not saved.
>>75305342
He didn't. He created Lucifer and Lucifer rebelled. If you tell your child not to do something, and they do it, you are not responsible for their choices.
>>75304472
Because a distinction exist in sola fide informi and sola fide formata, where as the terminology always refer to the former, while the later cannot be said to be entirely faith. You can't wish yourself into salvation, my grandmother would not quite as orthodoxically will say.
>>75305231
>Religion, from religio, is a system of bondage.
But that's completely wrong, no matter what current or past etymological school of thought on it's origin you attest to. At worse, it means scruple, which has nothing to do with either systems, bondage, or anything else.
Again, your historical and theological base is weak.
>>75305463
Arguably, but then again defending against heresy and false christians is an obligation of the faithful. How one goes about it is a bit of a difficult question, but you know.
>>75305487
Why would God give you agency, then punish you for using it when you have no real way to know what's right? No religion on Earth is proven, so God wouldn't excpect anyone to be able to discern what is true or not.
>>75305596
Having a child isn't anything like creating a being from scratch. God can do anything, he can insure that Lucifer would never have rebelled.
>>75305690
That would make God a dictator. You don't have children to make them your slave minions. God gave everyone free will including the Angels.
>>75305147
Romans 10:9
If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
>>75304209
Shhh, you have to wait. An omnipotent deity only has time for one insignificant thing at a time.
>>75305544
For the love of god, I'm arguing that "Christianity" encompasses Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestant.
Catholics- believe in the teachings of Jesus and apply their interpretation of them in their lives here on earth
Protestant- believe in the teachings of Jesus and apply their interpretation of them in their lives here on earth
That's it.
And there you go, moving the goalposts and throwing red-herrings here and there.
It's a fucking cover-all term with no respect to denomination.
