1)be told nationality is great and something to be proud for
2)grow up and be successful and happy with my abilities
3)realise that there is no logical reason to feel pride for being born in x
4)realise that the people who mainly are strong nationalists don't have anything to be proud off themselves and would probably suicide without their national identity
5)realise that there are stupid and smart people all over the world irrelevant of nationality
6)realise I can have way more things in common with someone in the US or other side of the world than people around me thanks to the Internet
7)realise nationalism is a stupid fake artificial form of unification with many disadvantages when a single unified world where people would be united by common interests is superior
So why would anyone be a nationalist unless they are miserable and want to feel better or get fake unified friends?
>be told first post is best post
>>75247790
its easy to have no understanding of nationalism when youre greek
>>75247790
Hello paid Hillary shill
>>75247913
>>75247911
>>75247860
>>75247923
>post detailed process of how one realises nationalism is stupid
>no arguments and only memes
Sasuke /pol/ ;^)
without nationalism in the first place you wont get comfortable safe societies that give you opportunities to meet ppl everywhere.
At the end of the day, when shit hits the fan, it is your neighbors and nation you will have to rely upon.
Globalization fails as soon as you reach moral dilemmas involving different cultures or geographic boundaries.
Our society, economy, and technology just isn't good enough to overcome that yet, and it's gonna get worse in the forseeable future.
>>75247964
the first replies are always shit posts bud
>>75247790
This, really. Nothing wrong with wanting to help your own country and see it grow. But modern nationalists are using it as a crutch for their mediocrity. Look at me, I'm an Austrian, we invented waltz! No you didn't. Several men did. How many times have nationalists help pick up thrash, or worked at a soup kitchen, or done anything to help their country? They don't actually want to help their country.
>>75247964
Hello paid Hillary shill
Ideally I'd want a nation of like minded white individuals with whom I could form my White Utopia. But since that is not feasible I have to settle for natonalistic ideals that will unite my current people and elevate them.
Taking pride in the things your people did is not claiming you took part in them, likewise why all the white guilt but I'm not allowed to take pride in the things my people did?
Nationalism and success on a personal level have nothing to do.
I'm successful and nationalist, and in fact what I want to see less of in my country is leftist cucks and immigrants. Being nationalist means wanting less of those, and I'm all on board with that.
Out with the migrants, out with the leftists, out with the socialists and out with the white guilt retards.
>>75247790
The pride and all that is for the ignorant masses. It is a means to an end. And the end is W I N N I N G until you're sick of it
>>75248069
probably because their country has been stuffed full of 3rd worlders from different races and cultures than them.
I've worked at a soup kitchen
was nothing but Mexicans and Blacks there
>Implying nationalism is based on hatred
>Implying people don't have different languages, cultures and histories
>Implying nationalism is about you and your friends
>implying
>implying
>implying
You're just too retarded to waste my time here. Fucking communist.
>>75247790
to be fair ideology is more important than nationality.
I feel closer to a Frenchman or German who share my ideas than I do to my prime minister, even though he's fully Italian.
It would be great to create a new country for like minded Europeans (no non whites)
>>75247790
JIDF is getting stronger, also saged.
>>75247790
How many false premises can one post make?
>>75248069
It's unsurprising that a shitty ex-british city state colonised by chinks is unable to comprehend national pride and identity.
Please don't weigh in on something you don't know anything about.
>>75247971
The fuck? Are you saying society's can't exist without countries? The way you act makes me things companies ruling the earth would be better.
>>75248003
Or you know, I have brains and money and rely on Myself and money ;^)
>>75248069
True often times they just want to feel better about their sad selves, a thing I know all to well with worthless Greeks going around and saying they invented everything and democracy as if democracy is good
>>75248108
>white
Actually I would prefer a group of people similar to me that likes similar games and structure ideas instead of literally SKIN COLORADO as if that matters
>>75247790
I love doug stanhope, But his entire routine is based off hating people on generalizations.
Nice try shill, you're a fuckin retard.
>>75247790
That's why you are anti-white Communist
Give it a couple of years and you will see that we are right
>>75248382
You retard, can you even read.
I said like minded individuals that happen to be white.
So in my case niggers that like the same games as I do would be excluded.
Doubly exclusive system, you have to be white and you have to be like minded to be part of my utopia.
>>75247790
Pay denbts costa and let horses do the thinking, they have bigger heads.
>>75248444
tfw not invited
>>75247790
a healthy dose of nationalism is better than none at all as a defense mechanism against globalism.
if you have no nationalism, you're ripe for the taking for internationalists
>>75247790
kill yourself jew
>>75247790
shut up alexis sipras
>>75247790
>So why would anyone be a nationalist
Because borders work
The idea of citizenship is actually quite a noble one. It is the idea that in a world of potential threat, you are willing to branch out to others and recognize them as a shared identity. With it we have co-operation and shared burden, without it we're left to defend for ourselves with little feeling of responsibility to anyone else. This is a product of Nationalism, if you do not find this worth preserving, then you are a very low human being.
>>75247790
>Doug Stanhope
Not reading your text OP
>>75247790
Because this country has enabled me and my family to safely live and pursue the life we want. So I think I owe it some gratitude. My country paid for most of my medical bill's, education and provided a safe and stable environment to become who I am and that's why I'm a Nationalist.
>>75247790
Congrats, this is literally the worst attempt at a green text I've seen since '09.
>>75248257
Don't be an idiot. Migrants are even in your country 13% of the population. It's single digits in most of Europe. And what's wrong with migrants? Everyone's a migrant, if you go back far enough.
What, once? You worked once in a soup kitchen once? You call that loving your country?
>>75248369
Ad hominems aren't arguments.
>>75247790
>grow up and be successful and happy with my abilities
>realise that there is no logical reason to feel pride for being born in x
You are not very smart are you. Putting those two statements one after another and failing to see the connection.
If not for your homeland, created by the people who belied in the freedom of your people you would not grow up the same way, and probably you would not be happy, or have that many abilities.
>realise that the people who mainly are strong nationalists don't have anything to be proud off themselves and would probably suicide without their national identity
Many great Generals, Politicians, Scientists, Writers were and are nationalistst, take your head out of your arse
>realise that there are stupid and smart people all over the world irrelevant of nationality
Ratio, quantity and quality are hard concepts to understand, in Africa the smartest person is on average with a normal Europoor. While the average African makes a clinicaly retarded man seem smart
>realise I can have way more things in common with someone in the US or other side of the world than people around me thanks to the Internet
Genetics, culture, mindset, appearance... You don't share those
>realise nationalism is a stupid fake artificial form of unification with many disadvantages when a single unified world where people would be united by common interests is superior
Hello Shlomo nice proxy.
>>75247790
Culture always has national character and roots. An international culture is impossible.
Moreover, nationalism offers a great advantage to the nation, as people who feel motivated by love for their country are capable of doing things others would never do.
>>75248317
Thanks for sharing that edit. It is very good.
>be happy and successful
>stop because of shallow self loathing
Common interests are bullshit
Your interests aren't the same as a Chinaman's, and everyone knows it but western liberal cucks like you
Everyone else is still competing for a bigger share of the Earth's limited resources and opportunities
The east asians are
The arabs invading your continent are
The jews sure are
Only whites are pretending this isn't happening
Pride in your ancestors is to be grateful for what they did laying the foundation for you and continuing their work so it isn't wasted, and these decadent times and jewish subversion have dealt a heavy blow to both drives
>>75247790
>not being proud of where you come fomr and just letting a kike like OP hijack your cultures and morals
no
>>75247790
Nationalism is pretty bad, patriotism isn't.
>>75248919
>Nationalism is pretty bad
t. morrocan.
>>75247790
I'm not going to put stock in anything a degenerate drunk says.
>>75247790
>realise nationalism is a stupid fake artificial form of unification
No, OP, nationalism is the only non-fake form of unification there is. I know the internet makes you feel like you live in LA, but you don't. Politics are just as nationalistic now as they were a hundred years ago. Every country is still out to get the best deal for themselves and fuck the rest. Either you play that game to win or you lose, your country gets fucked and then you promptly realise that becoming poor in a country ravaged by war is a much more real thing than the concept of globalisation and the feeling you got from the internet. So either you play for your team or your team loses and you get fucked up the butt. That's the only reality there is.
Your country was built by your ancestors.
By betraying your homeland, you are betraying your ancestors.
>>75247790
>Islam does nothing but teach you to hate people you never met, and to take pride in accomplishments you had no part in
>>75247790
>7)realise nationalism is a stupid fake artificial form of unification with many disadvantages when a single unified world where people would be united by common interests is superior
not correct
the entire list is bogus but the last point is directly contradicted by the research
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTROCGb5qj8
>>75248974
The history of my nation is pretty interresting but a concept like heritage should not limit your life.
But the main gripe is that the nationalists want to force certain aspects of the culture their existance, what the people decide to be their main culture is what it should be. Without any shame, some things just change over time.
I believe in the core values of my country though, for actual practical reasons. Which is what matters more to me personally, actually in a sense I'm even very traditionally Dutch in this sense.
>>75248878
>Your interests aren't the same as a Chinaman
we both play wow
we both like pandas
we both discuss about philosophy
We both discuss about being gay and wanting a bf
while in greece
people talk about non internet things like spots and i dont give a shit
people talk about dogs and i dont give a shit
people talk about girls and i dont give a shit
So try again, facts say otherwise in my case
>>75249284
Your interests aren't the same as an Islamic State supporter.
>>75249284
Yeah hopefully GD purges you
>>75249284
Yet when you country has a financial crisis, you're the only one who's getting poor. When EU takes away your democracy, you're the only one who has no control over the destiny of your city and your country. Stop pretending reality doesn't exist. What are you, 12?
Dan needs to go live in Johannesburg for a year.
The red pill will be forcibly inserted.
>>75247790
>grow up and be successful and happy with my abilities
And how do you think you got the chance to grow up and gain those abilities?
>>75249284
>we both play wow
A game
>we both like pandas
Who doesn't?
>we both discuss about philosophy
Only if approved by the state
>We are both gay
No that is only a greek thing
>>75249335
Actually ISIS want's to remove borders and replace all countries with Islamic law. That means OP and ISIS are both anti-nationalist. So in actual fact their interests do align. But I think that speaks volumes as to what sort of person OP really is.
>>75249520
I think OP has an interest in staying alive. How do you stay alive in the face of something like Islamic State? By the enforcement of borders.
>>75249657
Being Greek, I can't imagine he would care for living much longer.
I am a product of millions of years of unbroken evolution. Not just biological, but social too. My ancestors worked hard for what I & my country have. There was no welfare or section 8 or foodstamps when my ancestors came here.
And what am I, if but the most important thing my ancestors could leave behind in this life? In a way, I AM my ancestors — I'm the product of every single thing they did in their life from the moment they were born until they died.
I can be a nationalist — proud of my country, because I'm proud of my ancestors for their accomplishments.
AND YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT TO TAKE MY ANCESTOR'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS AWAY FROM ME.
I WILL NEVER ALLOW YOU TO POINT AT MY CHILD AND TELL HIM THAT HE CANNOT BE PROUD OF WHAT I HAVE ACHIEVED IN MY LIFE, BECAUSE I DID IT FOR HIM. I WILL NEVER ALLOW YOU TO TELL HIM THAT HE DOESN'T DESERVE WHAT I WORKED FOR WHEN I DID IT FOR HIM.
YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT.
>>75249335
obviously, that is why there would be global laws stopping people from being hateful dangerous extremists
>>75249379
Too bad i got $$$ and intend to move to US ;^)
>>75249424
No i am not, i make good financial choices and didnt depend on my country for support.
So clearly, if you depend on your country, you are the one who fucked up.
Cant wait for all those neets to suddenly start suiciding once neetbux are removed
>>75249501
Games are important to me
We like cute pandas and the pandaren race cuz furries :3
philosophy is philosophy, nobody stops you from talking about it
Gay people and husbandos are everywhere
>>75249912
>i am a cuck and will follow
ye sorry, my future is MINE
>>75249284
These are all surface level things you retard. Wow, you like pandas, tell me how you create a relationship out of this?
The chink in question may be 'nice' but you won't on average establish the same kind of bond you would with a fellow countryman, the biological factors, reference points and countless other elements go into this.
Few chinks are ever openly gay (their culture does not work like that) and few of them play WoW for anything other than insectoid monetary reasons. Even obsessive otaku in Japan don't like talking about their interests in the same way Westerners do on a variety of subjects
>>75247790
Because of the social contract where I pay taxes to the state, and they use my money and my vote to take care of the land I live in in ways that I have neither the clout nor time to do, and knowing all my peers equally chip in to make the nation a work of greatness where we can all foster our dreams and hopes and we could fall back on if ever we run into extremely bad luck.
A sort of owner's pride. Have you no pride in your house despite not being the man who built it?
Of course, Greeks don't pay taxes, so it's natural you don't understand.
greek
furry
faggot
globalist
Doesn't get much worse than this
>>75247790
This is your second thread on the topic, did you get tired of being BTFO of the last one?
Why would anyone want to absorb Africa when those fucking people can't build a society to save their lives?
>>75249959
>Games are important to me
Are you 12?
>Cuz furries
the germans are more your thing
>nobody stops you from talking
The state does
>Gay people are everywhere
BS
>>75247790
PAY
>>75249959
>obviously, that is why there would be global laws stopping people from being hateful dangerous extremists
AHAAHAHAAAHA, oh jesus fucking brilliant. So you replace the idea of nationalism with just another idea of nationalism. Fucking brilliant, well just so you know, countries started off as states and counties. They were the nationalism of their time. Nationalism allows for growth of people's shared identity when they are collectively ready. Even to achieve what it is you want, you'll need nationalism to get it.
>>75249959
Who's going to enforce those 'global laws' when everything in the West turns into Brazil/Venezuela/Pakistan 2.0? The UN as it is can barely enforce anything with shit tons of money and capital behind it.
And also, some chink is not going to be interested in philosophy anywhere near as commonly as a Westerner. I've had friends who privately tutored people over there and they were invariably far more interested in the prestige of saying they are learning something to their friends and family than the thing itself, which they only learned to a toddler's level at best. Seriously the level of common ignorance in China is shocking.
>>75247790
If you actually happen to have been born in objectively the best country in the world, nationalism makes sense.
>>75247790
>1)
Good
>2)
Nice thing Greece managed to defend its interest and provide decent free education, health services and an above average economy.
>3)
There is no logical reason to feel pride in being part of a group you have contributed in that has done well? Just saying, you don't live in a void; if you have done anything to contribute to your society (that includes payed work), then you should feel proud that you're turning society in the right direction.
>4)
Retarded argument, and you're wrong. Yes, there are many people who are strong nationalists and don't have "anything to be proud of ", but what does that really prove? That people with no achievements cling to anything they can?
>5)
My compatriot >>75248785 makes a good point here. Proud of you, fellow român.
>6)
So you share the same genetic background and language? I'm sure you also completely share their worldview as this is *totally* not because you have a distorted view of americans leading to an easy subversion of your prior considerations, now is it?
I'm also sure this has nothing to do with the fact that the USA and Greece are both deeply christian-background countries with european heritage, sharing similar moralities and philosophies because of this. No, not at all, I'm fairly sure if you switched USA out for China you'd find that you both share a common taste for eating dogs and ignoring injured people on the streets out of lack of empathy.
>7)
It's way less stupid and fake than your "success and abilities". Turns out, people sharing a common history, language, religion, philosophy, government and are close geographically tend to have a lot in common.
Also - "common interests"? Sure, there are common interests in eradicating certain diseases (which we are already working on without having to delete borders because borders are bad) and in making sure this planet stays inhabitable (in which case you might find China does not believe in the same "common interests" as you.
>>75249959
>global laws
>>75247790
>So why would anyone be a nationalist
>Recent agent-based computer simulations suggest that ethnocentrism, often thought to rely on complex social cognition and learning, may have arisen through biological evolution. From a random start, ethnocentric strategies dominate other possible strategies (selfish, traitorous, and humanitarian) based on cooperation or non-cooperation with in-group and out-group agents. Here we show that ethnocentrism eventually overcomes its closest competitor, humanitarianism, by exploiting humanitarian cooperation across group boundaries as world population saturates.
http://jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html
>>75250469
this
we don't even enforce them now lmao
my country isn't even an ICC member and there's nothing any other country can do about it
>>75247790
Its being proud of what your ancestors and people achieved, and live and work to further IMPROVE it.
I have a job, I contribute to my country.
I help out my friends and neighbours ( as long as they are my people ).
That is nationalism.
Due to immigration your countrymens population gets seperated, getting criminals with no history here to devide the neighbourly bonds, and since most of them dont work, it means you pay taxes for lazy fucks that dont want to improve the country but leach on it.
Immigrants that assimilate, contribute and choose their new home over their last are welcome.
>>75247923
>>75248317
>>75248422
>>75248487
>>75248560
>>75248596
>>75248675
>>75248975
>>75250061
>>75250312
I like how /pol/ claims to be "red-pilled" and able to see the world for how it is. Yet, despite your sophomoric claims of enlightenment, the first time someone presents you with arguments that contradict your shitty worldview you just spam memes and tell them to gtfo.
How can you be so fucking sure you're right about everything when you can't even come up with an argument about what this person has to say, /pol/?
>>75247790
That is the point.You need to contribute, build up pride and prestige for your country so people see this and want associate with it and do the same thing.Its self-sustaining mechanism and it works perfectly.The problem is two-faced pseudo patriots who only brag about how cool they are and do nothing, they should be put to public shame.
he's the same greek furry from this thread.
>>75249279
I tried debating him, but it's just bait
>>75250222
>2016
>games are for children
go away granny
You are right there, germans have some cool chubby bara gay furries but i havent found anyone to play with yet since i play in US wow servers
The state rly doesnt talk about philosophy that much to stop me from discussing ideas with people on the internet
And gay people are everywhere, if there werent i wouldnt intend to GTFO from greece
>>75247790
>So why would anyone be a nationalist unless they are miserable and want to feel better or get fake unified friends?
Have you ever considered that higher morale ("feeling better") contributes to higher productivity, which is both better for the person in question and society?
Furthermore, have you considered that *not* being nationalist leads to a general apathy for things that affect the whole nation but not you directly? Why would you do anything that benefits society as a whole but has a minimal impact on you such that in any situation you are slightly worse off than if you didn't, even though in the grand scheme of things a population that does not take that action is individually worse off than a population that does take that action?
Nationalism is quite possibly the last level of group adhesion that actually works long term. Things break down rapidly after that.
>Let's replace nationalism with globalism, which is practically the same shit as you'll descend into monoculture
Besides that, what kind of retarded motherfucker legitimately thinks everyone is going to get along with each other? Have you missed the last millenia?
>inb4 it's that gay wow globalist who shitposts on /vg/
People, just point and laugh. He's a deluded fella who'll deny anything for the favour of his own viewpoint.
>>75247790
People born in shit holes are often confused about nationalism
>>75250726
>games are important to me
That's the issue here lad. I play a lot of games and I wouldn't call them "important to me" in any sense other than professionally, that is making them.
>>75250032
>>75247790
Also, let me point out a glaring flaw in your line of thought.
When we were the basest of animals, we only cared for ourselves, as many base animals still do. As we evolve and gain sophistication, our sense of community broadens, and we start to care for those around us.
We started to care for our families. We started to care for our extended families and tribes. We started to care for our towns, our cities, our city states.
The nation is just one more abstract in a long line of abstracts meant to unify us, and they still affect us to this day; town/city sports teams, universities, regional rivalries, national regional rivalries, etc.
>Self
>Family
>Tribe
>Town or other community
>Region
>Nation
And you want us to care for more. to care for a unified world, to care for every single person out there.
But, even as you ask me to care for a complete stranger, thousands of miles from my home, whom I've never met and will never meet, who shares nothing with me. Not a language, not a faith, not a culture, possibly not a single interest. Nothing beyond the most basic want to survive.
You also tell me to let go of my love for a nation. To stop caring about people who share my direct environment, people who share my language, my ideals, my culture, my hopes and dreams, and people who I will have dealing with for the rest of my life.
Do you not see the problem there? Do you not realize all unification is artificial? Do you not realize that kicking out one rung on the ladder is counterproductive to getting to the next rung?
That the world would be in a much better position if we stopped promoting false tolerance and encouraged the genuine care for your neighbour that comes natural?
>>75247790
I'm a nationalist in that I live in the country that has at one point in time granted the most amount of simultaneous economic and social freedom and I want to preserve that for myself and family and neighbors and preserve it as well for those that live elsewhere trying to get here that also want to preserve these basic fundamental things that make the USA what it WAS.
When crony capitalists and democrats, jews and socialists and other fuckwads openly advocate and enable the injection of more peoples whose values and cultures are not compatible with ours, and in most cases directly confront ours, I will continue to do what I can to have those people removed and disallowed to come back because if not we will become Sweden and Germany as we see it right now, we will eventually go the way of the Native American but with much less dignity being shown as we are stamped out of existence possibly in the next 200 years and the dark ages will come again and the European blood that built western civilization will be lost forever and all that will be left is a brown mass of barbarians and the fragments of our monuments will become wonders like the pyramids to these "men" of lesser blood.
>>75250493
We are humanitarian, muslims are still ethocentrists.
They'll just exploit us until they destroy us.
>>75250672
I love how every single comment I posted was ignored for the sake of someone like yourself to just state complete bullshit (as if this is the first time /pol/ gets raided by shills) just so you can pretend that logical arguments was not presented by anyone. How about you or OP actually respond to the people that are countering you claims.
>>75250710
Guy has like 3 threads up.
He seems very triggered by /pol/
Same fag in >>75244901
>>75247790
It's much better to take pride in your skin color (unless you're European) and sexual fetish. Now these are really defining features, not the region you grew up in, the culture that surrounds you and the language you speak. Nope, buttfucking should be the greatest source of your pride and self-identification.
Just going to warn you blokes, take a look at /wowg/ and other three threads he's shilling, don't bother replying.
>>75247790
Nationalism is fine as long as you don't hold it above yourself.
>>75248382
>likes similar games
this is why your country is dead
>>75247790
Hundreds of thousands of years of your ancestors thinking otherwise is exactly what got you here. Your culture, your beliefs, they paved the way for all of it. You are letting that struggle, whether biological, cultural, religious, or political, die out.
Why do you hate your ancestors?
>>75250469
I lol'd at this. Laws are only as good as the force and threat of violence that backs them.
Laws have been a tool of the elites to project their power since laws were first established and created.
I laugh at how naive he is.
>>75250949
>Nope, buttfucking
Entry-level fetish.
Not one to be proud of.
>>75249959
>No i am not, i make good financial choices and didnt depend on my country for support.
No you're not. You're probably 19 or something and you don't believe that your country can have ACTUAL poverty. The kind of poverty that makes crime go crazy, that makes shops close down, makes your streets fill up with the homeless and the drug addicts. That's what happens when your country is poor. That money that you have on your account won't save you from that. And that's if your bank doesn't collapse or the government doesn't just decide to take your money, that happens too. You don't seem to understand just how fucked an average person can get.
>>75251064
>muh ancestors
>>75250672
I did argue
And all he does is retort about his fucking hobbies and how he doesn't care what happens to any of his countrymen despite them creating the environment that he thrived in
He's a miserable cosmopolitan hypocrite and I hope he gets his head bashed in by some peaceful proselytizer that he invites into his land
>>75250848
Fucking burn.
>>75247860
Fpbp
>>75247790
you have fuck all to be proud of any more greece
and id rather love my nation and history than be ashamed of it and say sorry for things i never had no part in.
>>75247790
Try being successful in some African warzone.
>>75247790
Also, nationalism doesn't teach you to hate anyone else unless they are direct competitors wanting to go to war to take your land as an end game through any means like direct invasion, subversion, etc.
It also doesn't make you take pride in things you had no part in, but it often advocates that you take pride in the people that share your ancestors and racial group who did in fact accomplish those things and not to let them down by being a lazy shallow hypocrite who doesn't care about keeping his homeland and traditions that were fought for and paid for by the blood of better men in the past.
"Civilization is not inherited; it has to be learned and earned by each generation anew; if the transmission should be interrupted for one century, civilization would die, and we should be savages again."
Or, to put it another way, don't be proud of another generation's torch. Be proud that you're keeping it lit.
>>75247790
You can use this same logic to say that it makes no sense to be proud of accomplishments made by your family members. Anyway, nationalism has nothing to do with hating people from other countries. People on /pol/ have a lot more respect for the average black African nationalist than they do for the average white European globalist.
>>75247790
8) Realise you are a marxist
I swear it seems Greeks are some of the most leftist, globalist people in the western world.
I really don't understand it. An incredibly proud and history, a distinct and unique identity, beautiful country, unique language, and a recently restored independence after centuries of occupation under an arch enemy, an enemy that is still at the gates and STILL occupying their past jewel.
Everything suggests they should be hugely nationalistic, it is all in place. Yet they seem to be mostly globalist, and eschew patriotism. Why is that? What's wrong with them?
>>75249284
This is pathetic
Your nation is everything you are.
It's the environment in which you learn your values, the environment in which you touch, smell and laugh.
To be anti-nationalist is to be self-hating and more realistically plain masochistic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UCm6LNj7P0
>>75251712
hope you guys leave the eu.....it's a sinking ship
>>75247790
your nation is who you are, i'm not asking you to hate others because they're from another place. I'm asking you to hate niggers.
>>75250672
These seem like legit arguments to me
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>>75250455
>>75250417
>>75250061
>>75249912
>>75248785
>>75252088
>>75251712
Thank you brother
>>75248974
sauce?
>>75247790
That's great but denouncing nationalism doesn't help you get rid of capitalism or oppressive religions.
>no real arguments
>muh emotions
>>75252276
why get rid of capitalism? The most skilled and smart aka most deserving people get on top
>>75252325
>>75251712
Denounce my argument then pleb
>>75247790
>hasn't read all of nietzsche's work
>hasn't read any aristotle, descartes
>probably hasn't read book
>is becoming self aware and redpilled
welcome to the club greekbro, i probably don't have to tell you about the islamic cancer on your doorstep
>>75252088
How about hate worthless people, which includes every failure, white and black ;^)
>>75247790
>Non-nationalism does nothing but teach you to disregard the love and work of people that accomplished ten times more than you ever will and to ignore the responsabilities towards your folk.
And BLM teaches us to hate people we've never met for things other white people did that we had no part in.
>>75252407
i was talking to OP senpai
>>75247790
>Nationalism leads to hate
This is some phantom menace yoda bullshit
Antifa please leave
>>75252599
>>75251712
Sorry famalam, this is 4 (e)u
>>75248069
No need to continue reading the thread from this comment
Singapore said it as it is
>>75252632
>>75251712
Nah, he's right cus if you love your family it means you hate everyone else's family, fucking pleb
>>75252325
What's your argument to defend nationalism then, cock gargler?
Your blatant insecurity and lack of self confidence aside
>>75247790
Doug Stanhope is a degenerate failed comedian, a very poor man's Bill Hicks at best.
>>75252513
sounds like a fair compromise, still though
>>75247964
>the OP
>detailed
And this is why you're poor,in debt and have no national pride. The entire OP is all about YOU as a person. Nationalism teaches you to take pride in where you're from, which is probably why in Greece you Turks don't feel pride.
>>75251712
see
>>75252775
>MUH NATIONALISTS HAVE NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF
t.neurologist with family of 5 children at 30
>>75251174
I'm talking about faggots
>>75252896
>he is so void of any meaning he has made 5 kids by now
not helping your case much desu senpai
>>75252892
But i dont NEED pride in things that arent my abilities ;^)
If you take pride in anything but your abilities and skills you are clearly desperate
>>75252885
Wait a minute, what if i find a cute chubby hairy bara gay black guy who is good at his job and has a nice career and future and also plays similar games with me :o
>>75248069
>>75248769
Turns out, working in a soup kitchen is not the most effective way to help your country.
As for
>Everyone's a migrant, if you go back far enough.
Yes, and I'm pretty sure if I was a neanderthal I wouldn't be happy with the stupid sapiens niggers invading my european clay, nor would I be happy as any indigenous species.
>>75252775
Sovereignty and liberty for the people who are forced to pay into a government that is importing people who have never and will never build a society worth remarking on that will only succeed in driving down the wages of the working class that do which only creates a wider gap between the people who make society operate and the people attempting to rule us.
Nationalism keeps you safe, and keeps you free.
The end of nationalism is directly followed by the death of your nation, every time.
>>75247790
The reason you could grow up to ponder these things in a nice, free country, instead of being a minority in T*rkey is because some stupid, miserable nationalists fought to free the piece of land you inhabit.
>>75253351
are you saying greece isnt shit and i wont GTFO and move to the US?
Capable and smart people will escape shitholes no matter what.
>this is why I dropped this tard
>>75253464
You need to deal with the consequences of the country you made into shit.
No.
>>75247790
Another jewish comedian telling me what to think.
What a surprise.
>>75247790
OP is too stupid to realise that same line of thinking can be used to undermine morality and human exceptionalism.
Logic is a false god.
It is entirely reliant upon your beginning assumptions to make a conclusion.
There is no logical reason to believe that rape and murder is wrong.There is no logical reason to believe that humans have any more value than a spadeful of earth let alone any other animal.
Objectively human life has no value and it doesn't matter if I were to bash your head in with a brick either. Yet I guarantee you cling desperately to such things despite them having no more logical backing than the nationalism you despise. Why? because you know that morality and valuing human life is useful. Yet you would sit back and pretend that the concept of nations is not useful neither, despite all the clear evidence of the benefits they bring to mankind.
You are a godless leftist hypocrite OP and you probably voted for Syriza, assuming you're old enough to vote at all.
>>75253527
Too bad i am not and i am moving to seattle ;^)
>>75253572
I want YOU to give me a reason to give a shit about any greek when i can have friends from all over the world with similar interests and hobbies unlike most greeks that i just use to chat and kill time with.
Especially when i have a brain and wasnt stupid enough to depend on my government so i have the cash to have a good future anywhere i choose.
Liberalism does nothing but teach you to hate people you have met.
and to take pride in accomplishments you don't have.
>>75247790
The lesser races are just as hungry and greedy and
Superiority and privileges are earned.
To take them is thievery.
It is necessary until human beings live with integrity which they almost wholly do not
>>75253834
>Superiority and privileges are earned.
agreed, but apparently nationalism wants to give them away for free to any worthless person just because they happen to be born in X
>>75253689
>Too bad i am not and i am moving to seattle
Don't lie, I know how hard it is for anybody on the other side of the pond to get here.
Its incredibly difficult for most people to get to US unless they have money or they can walk across the border to work for less than minimum wage thanks to your globalist ideals.
Get fucked by your own fucking ethics, retard.
>>75248317
You can't sage and post an image and think you won't bump the thread
>>75253954
>maritime operations office job
>muh minimum wage
oh you have no idea
>>75253464
No, it's not "shit". "Shit" is being born in Congo or some place with Sharia law. You could do much worse than Greece.
Go wherever you want, but mind that as a Greek you have one of the strongest passports worldwide. You wouldn't have that as a t*rk.
>>75252497
>>75252497
Faith restored a little bit in your people
thanks for that it's a rarity.
Do you look into trying to figure out actual science too? I.e. tossing most of current physics and going back to people who built shit with the principles of the universe like Maxwell Steinmetz?
>>75253916
>>75253916
That is only a problem in multiculturalism.
In homogeneous societies it's no different than leaving things to your children and nieces and nephews after you die.
My children have earned my stuff.
I bring them into the world for task they have no choice in
As such I'm obligated to give them everything so they can succeed in that task.
Continue the linage.
>>75254578
>having children
Nope, i am enjoying my life and gonna waste all my money before i go.
The rest will go to pandas :D
>>75247790
Lazy olive nigger has no idea what social cohesion is
>>75254648
Then why care what you think.
If I but a bullet in your head what have I then robbed humanity of?
Are you a new Tesla?
If not, you're not even human. You're fertilizer, like an animal that will never matter to humanity in the long run.
That is not having children.
That is life as an abomination of itself.
>>75254843
>still desperately clinging to a "purpose"
Welp, looks like it is just another cucked dude in /pol/.
Sorry deary, my life is to be enjoyed
>>75247790
1. Liberty and justice for all.
2. Betterment of a people that believe in #1.
3. I'll agree. Just selfish one color on earth would suck. Fine white chicks fine black chicks fine Asian chicks. so on so fuck you. Im mixed and shit I like variety.
4. Maybe in your country. But you can always turn that around.
5. Ya don't say. Factious statement.
6. Internet was paid for by the Pentagon for NATIONAL defense.
7.So you don't mind if we take all your resources hippy? Ok boys you heard em. Have fun waiting in line for food in you new caliphate.
8. So family's can die with dignity for what was create instead of in the streets of Greece starving. Lack of unity to pay taxes and now your living in hell.
>>75247790
> oh look its this thread again
Bait threads get so many (You)s these days.
>75255097
OP doesn't get (You)s
and neither do you
>>75254922
This life is
to achieve
to create
To scream at existence is that the best you have infinity? Well I am Greater than that will ever be.
You live animal. Should I run across you after the global economic collapse
I will be sure to torture you before you execution all publicly, because you live in the moment and that bares consequences I will make evident.
Without purpose you are slave, at the very least to you own pettiness.
>>75247790
Nationalist societies look like fucking idyllic paradises where you can leave your doors unlocked.
Globalist societies look like absolute trustless shitholes with garbage everywhere and nobody wants to talk to anyone.
this is my experience and I live in the fucking UK in the most multicultural city. You will never change it, fuck off dumb smelly globalist scum.
>>75253689
i smell roach, north cyprus roach
>>75254308
hey bro, allittle bit of experimenting which lead to nowhere really, goethes theory of light etc, things like that. a real love of maths though, degree an all.
>>75255241
>without a purpose you are a slave
>says the guy who is a slave to the purpose
Oh god you are killing me xD
And i am sure all that anger and hate for my existence sure is normal and healthy ;^)
>>75255294
>>75255294
You should check out Eric Dollard's work
If you want I'll send you an email with his books in PDF he basically went back and polished all the old maths to electrical systems
Fucking hates Einstein
>>75247790
wait isn't that the stand up comedian with
all the puppets?
>>75255348
>>75255348
I choose my purpose. Out of infinite sea of possibilities.
I hate what you are not you. You could have/be so much more. I hate what you are because you could have been beautiful.
I believe humans come in 3 forms.
Child
God
and the vast majority
Abomination.
The latter two are choices
Separated by One thing
Integrity
>>75255783
>i am a cuck instead of enjoying life
enjoying wasting your life, at the end, it will all be meaningless ;^)
>>75255844
Don't deflect on others just because your life has no meaning anon.
>>75255917
But it has a ton of meaning, it is full of enjoyment and entertainment :D
Compared to yours that literally everything is mental rewards that everyone can get from the most autistic beliefs.
Sorry, i prefer real pleasure ;^)
>>75255783
So much more is Nationalism. When its done right your doing it and you don't even know Yank twit.
>>75255489
will have a look bro, looks interesting. yeah einstein was too jewish. though the agnostic chimp in me cant help but marvel at his work at times.
>>75256009
> enjoyment and entertainment
Doesn't sound to intellectually or spiritually fulfilling to me. Maybe once you grow into an adult you'll see things differently and realise what's truly important. It's almost like you think we didn't all think like you at one point in time.
>>75256174
>he needs to self masturbate to feel good about himself by doing intellectually and spiritually fulfilling things
Stops projecting your young age onto me deary ;^)
Maybe if you grow up you ll realize you dont need to be a slave to your base nature like that and truly be free.
>>75253689
I don't care if you give a shit about Greeks. It's entirely irrelevant to my argument.
There are Greeks that do though and you should stop undermining them simply because you Skype with some faggot over seas.
>>75254578
exactly. from the older generation i know of in mine, they toiled away in coal mines and died young, farmed or lived hard lives in the navy. all to provide for their children and make room and time for others to achieve in more esoteric fields. to slowly get better.
they didnt shag goats and inbreed for generations, like people in other regions.
>>75247790
Notice how the people who most strongly support globalism live in shitty, failed states and third world countries. They want what they haven't earned.
>>75247790
liberalism today is the opposite: you have to take blame and feel guilty about things that you didn't do and that happened during a time when you didn't even exist.
i'll take nationalism over that, thanks.
>>75247790
Countles generations of your ancestors were contributing to your nation culture and identity. They often gave their life for the future of their children and the future of the nation. They worked hard their whole life for a better future of those that come after them. Your duty is to continue this and protect your culture, country and identity, to contribute and pass on to the next generations.
Leftards enter here and brainwash generations to become hedonists and think only about themselves. They stop having families, stop contributing, allow other cutures replace your own without any opposition making scrifices of previous generations worthless.
All in an attempt to take over absolute power, even if all that's left are smoking ruins.
>>75257777
It actually feels good to laugh at all the wasted effort they spend xD
Stupid fucks, i wish they are rolling in their grave now getting mad at their mistakes
>>75247790
>1)be told family is great and something to be proud for
>2)grow up and be successful and happy with my abilities
>3)realise that there is no logical reason to feel pride for being born into a family
>4)realise that the people who mainly love their family don't have anything to be proud off themselves and would probably suicide without their national identity
>5)realise that there are stupid and smart people all over the world irrelevant of what family they were born into
>6)realise I can have way more things in common with someone in the US or other side of the world than people around me thanks to the Internet
>7)realise familyism is a stupid fake artificial form of unification with many disadvantages when a single unified world where people would be united by common interests is >superior
>So why would anyone be a familist unless they are miserable and want to feel better or get fake unified friends?
>>75257842
You are either 3edgy5you underage or parasite immigrant.
>>75256024
When what about what?
Rewrite that buddy and stop being lazy be exact.
Also am American telling a Brit his writing is shit is deplorable to occur given how power my educational system is by comparison.
I won't knock spelling or grammatical problems to bad, however not stating what you are referring to is pathetically lazy.
>>75258002
>he actually thinks family is an excuse for love or care
You actually dont even realize the meme you made is true, that is how truly deluded you really are.
Family means nothing, only common interests and likes are a true unification method
>>75258102
Oh no, i am honestly enjoying the thought of punishing retards
>>75257842
i would beat the shit out of you if you said this to my face
>>75258121
poor* not power I don't know what's wrong with my head this morning I've been mistyping for most of it.
>>75247790
uhh muh spooks, everything is a social construct including morality and nationalism
>>75257842
how is their effort wasted? what are their mistakes?
are you talking about yourself? I don't get it
>>75247790
WE WUZ ACOMPLISHED N SHIEEET
>>75258262
>tfw no chubby hairy bara gay furfag german bf
Man, i wish i could have a husbando like this so we can laugh at your close minded face
>>75258459
They ve wasted their lives for a purpose they mistakenly thought i would follow and waste my life on just like they did .
Their stupidity was punished accordingly.
>>75247790
>3)realise that there is no logical reason to feel pride for being born in x
your argument fell apart here when you drew this arbitrary premise
try again once you know what logic actually is
>>75258247
The super rich elites, all they care about is family. That's why their families have been so rich and powerful for generations.
They laugh at people as stupid as you.
>>75247790
>5)realise that there are stupid and smart people all over the world irrelevant of nationality
Just a reminder that OP was well into adulthood before she realized this. That alone makes her opinion invalid.
>>75247790
Not me but my burger friends on the other side of the border.
>be born American
>have freedoms because he's American
>be proud of freedoms
>be proud to be an American
Honestly what's so difficult to understand about that?
>>75258592
have you ever thought that maybe you were that mistake?
but desu you don't really need to 'waste' your life or follow anything, you're free to do anything you want, but that choice was given to you by them. If it weren't for them you'd probably be a turk slave and you wouldn't even have the freedom to talk shit about other peoples life values. you should be more tolerant to people with different opinions and views on life.
>>75255489
Thank you, that's my bachelors thesis in waiting.
>>75255489
Where do I find his books?
>>75257421
I think it goes the other way around, failed states happen because of lack of nationalism. Just take a look at brazil, noone here has pride in the land and everyone wants to leave to the us or europe.
They call me crazy for wanting to stay and improve the country.
>>75260190
It's called civic pride, anywhere that has it tends to be a nice place to live.
>>75248265
this
>>75258247
Family is the base unit for society. You might think you are some radical free thinker, fueled by rationality, but destruction of the family is simply the easiest way to make easily controllable people. The only deluded one is you, you are being played by those praying on your need to feel 'logical' to the point where you are forsaking logic.
>>75247790
>So why would anyone be a nationalist unless they are miserable and want to feel better or get fake unified friends?
Because man does not exist in a complete unified state, to do so would be to go against life itself. Life evolved through two means, one being natural selection of an individual being, and the other being the natural selection of a group of individuals that share similar traits. Animals, including humans, have a biological imperative to not just protect themselves, but other individuals that share similar genetic traits. This is called group altruism, or in-group preferencing. It's the basis of tribalism and nationalism, and is the natural state of man.
It has nothing to do with fulfilling you life with achievements of others, to find fake friends, or to feel better about yourself. Rather, to protect and cultivate the capacity of a people to achieve greater feats. Nationalism is simply the ruthless self-application of mans natural state in order to advance him.
To support human equality and to value the blood of another group over your own would be greatly dysgenic, as well as against your own evolutionary struggle.
>>75247790
Op needs to watch Mosiquito coast.
>>75248108
You are memeing too hard """"""""""white"""""""""" boy
>>75248668
>let me explain why nationalism works
>defines globalism
>>75247790
HURRRR I GETS MY OPINONS FROM DA COMICS COS DEY IS FUNEEE
except they are shit, especially that cuck
>>75247790
And liberalism does nothing but teach you to hate people that you've met and love people you never met.
Everyone using the ancestors meme, a question for you. Exactly where does it end? You realize we all have one common, universal ancestor. Are you proud of it for being the only bacteria to survive in the soup? Or, if you don't believe in science, are you proud of Adam just for existing?
>>75263824
Not all ancestors are equal. Your post assumes they are. Genetics matter. This is a matter of scientific fact.
>>75247790
>Implying nationality hasn't been shamed in public education for decades
>Implying you are not an unemployed smelly greek
>Implying that nationalists are stupid based on the fact that the greek are in general stupid
>Implying that there is never merit for generalization (Eventhough thats what you JUST did)
>Implying your personal relationships (or lack there of) is in anyway relevant to the topic
> Implying internationalism isn't fake and doesn't have disadvantages at all.
How gullible can you be? I know education sucks in Greece, but man you are daft as fuck.
>>75263987
And of course I mean globalism, not internationalism whatever the fuck that is.
>>75259077
how?
>empathy = guilt
are you stupid or just a child?
He's right, but nationalism is a necessary evil.
Because you cannot thrive in a hostile environment (or in a vacuum).
Your nation is the foundation of your success. You could not have made it in a corrupt shithole where tribal affiliations and cronyism determine if someone succeeds in life. Your life would be much worse if it wasn't for your nation—those as brilliant and enlightened as you, but also the ignorant and dumb masses you spite—maintaining an orderly, peaceful society and functioning infrastructure.
You are successful in an environment created by your ancestors and maintained by your countrymen, one that grants you the opportunity to make the best use of your abilities without discrimination or arbitrary hurdles. If you toss that all away, you will find yourself surrounded by people whom you find little common ground with, have trouble communicating with, and will treat you worse than their own because in-group favouritism is a basic human instinct you can never get rid of. And you will be a despicable, ungrateful traitor.
But who am I talking to? You've probably already gone to drink a coffee with your foreign exchange student friends, whose lovely company has convinced you that borders and laws are stupid and everyone is the same.
>>75247790
>Tolerance teaches you to love people you've never meet and to feel shame for things you had no part of.
I used to think like that, then I became a West nationalist.
Also this
>>75264341
>>75263969
You want to talk about genetics, yet you selectively ignore the fact that all humans share the same genome. I guess the source of the pride in your ancestors is the 0.0001% mutation in X gene that occurred 10,000 years ago. Which was by complete chance, too.
Also, the proles of your own nation—who are dumb and simple-minded and nationalistic because they never achieved anything—keep your ass save from the proles of every other nation, which does not feel such an oh-so-irrational loyalty to you and would prefer to simply take all that you own and kill you.
Unless you'd prefer living in a small gated community with successful people like your own; barbed wire, walls, and security guards defending you against the low-achievers around you.
>>75264496
Going to use this now, maybe with "Globalism"
>>75247790
>nationalism is taking pride in accomplishments you had no part in
as opposed to
>being white is taking responsibility for hardships you didn't cause
>>75247790
>using doug stanhope as your inspiration
Yeah, listen to the chronically drunk junkie comedian who looks like he's costantly struggling with the idea of killing himself.
>>75264632
>all humans share the same genome
Nope, there's plenty of between-group variation.
How about you start with some basic overview of a field that you are apparently entirely oblivious to?
https://jaymans.wordpress.com/jaymans-race-inheritance-and-iq-f-a-q-f-r-b/
http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/
>>75263248
>mexican intellectuals in charge of saying who is white
>>75264864
I used to really like him. Now...
I recently heard him argue that we don't know that exercising and eating right are good for you. He claims he is a libertarian, but supports Bernie. He keeps his girlfriend who sleeps with other guys around.
Turns out he's just another lazy pseudo intellectual liberal cuck.
>>75255097
I blame the american elections.
>>75247790
Being anti-nationalist is basically being against the society that you grew up in and live in. It's anti-social and anti-society. This is the logic of the liberal, that instead of either changing to adapt to the way things are and finding your place in society, or going and finding a place that conforms to your ideal society you instead demand that everyone else conform and change to please your capricious fucking whims. Your entire shitty argument is basically saying that people shouldn't have a shared culture and identity, and that by taking part in such a person lacks value and is racist.
Isn't it funny though that the only people saying this don't want to join the culture they're trying to subvert and destroy? Why is it generations of immigrants used to come to America to be fucking AMERICANS. I remember my grandfather telling me stories about how when he was a child his parents beat him for speaking their native language. They told him, "We're in America now, we speak English." Immigrants used to fucking WANT to be a part of the national identity, and took pride in being American. Now? They want us to learn their ways and customs, to speak their degenerate language, and for us to change so they can corrupt our country from within. It isn't happening you fucking anarchist. You want to be a man without a country, a culture, a society you Greek fucking twat? Go preach your degenerate anarchist philosophy to your Turkroach cousins and see what their answer is.
humans are inherently social creatures.
humans form social groups based on what they have in common.
>culture
>ancestry
>language
>religion
>...
strong in-group loyalty strengthens the entire group. strong in-group loyalty protects against outside aggression.
you cucks who try to bring down national pride and unity are literally trying to destroy your own people's defense mechanism. you're working to bring down your own kind, for the benefit of hostile foreigners.
>>75247790
Just because Greece is absolute shit does not mean all countries are.
>>75265079
God I wish George Carlin was still alive, he'd be having a walk in the park with all this shit.
