Is socialism actually a problem? Or is it just the jews behind previous socialist regimes? If the jews were purged from Cuba, or Soviet Russia, or America and borders were secured, why should one political system triumph significantly over any other?
>>75147143
Cuba was the USA's fault due to both Jews and butthurt.
Otherwise yeah mostly it comes down to usury! It creates constant debt and that becomes a massive negative.
>>75147143
The "Socialist" regimes that dominated Eastern Europe and the Russian Empire for much of the 20th Century were not Socialist.
This was the entire point of George Orwell's "1984". The theme of the book was "double-speak", or "double-think" - for example, "war is peace", ignorance is strength", etc... They say one thing, but mean the opposite. The regime in 1984 called itself "Socialist", but it wasn't. It was "double-speak". This is what happened in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union.
>>75148288
They were socialist, Soviet-style socialist.
Orwell was a socialist of different kind.
Saying they weren't socialist is like saying Singapore isn't capitalist for example.
There are different types of capitalism and socialism, as well as mix of both.
Jews could fuck up a cup of water.
>>75148430
As if that's not what fluoridation is for.
>>75148377
>They were socialist, Soviet-style socialist.
That wasn't "Socialism". It was totalitarianism.
Under Socialism workers own production. In the Soviet Union workers did not own production, the State owned production. And, the State was controlled by a small elite of Party members, and ultimately a dictator. This is not "Socialism", by anyone's definition...
The Soviet elite used the rhetoric of Socialism to justify their rule.
>>75147143
How do you force everyone to share?
What happens when the demoralized no longer produce for the leeches who only want to leech?
In a fully Socialist state, what incentive does anyone have to better themselves?
Venezuela was once prosperous, they sit on vast oil reserves. Thanks to the socialist takeover, the citizens are now attacking cops to take their weapons.... so they can hunt cats and dogs because they have nothing to eat.
Watch. Learn from history or repeat the same mistakes.
>>75148658
Totalitarianism doesn't preclude socialism.
>Under Socialism workers own production
They owned it in USSR too. It was collective property.
Sorry I understand your point and aim but that's ultimately a SJW tactic.
>>75148712
Idiot.
>>75147143
socialism is enforced charity where those in power decide how much of your earnings to spend on others, a form of slavery, with the threat of force
charity is voluntary
>>75148923
Yes, Chavez was an idiot.
>>75149010
>a form of slavery
Nope, since you're always free to leave.
>those in power
Are usually elected.
>spend on others
Not just on individuals, but on a collective, which you are a part of.
If you wanna live in libertarian paradise, you always have Somalia. Or gather your like-minded friends and go live in Western Sahara or something like that.
Otherwise, stop fucking crying, your ideas are childish.
>>75147143
Getting rid of Capitalism is literally self-destructive, however having a Capitalist society with elements of Socialism is fine. Due to the coming automation of most jobs more Socialist elements will be necessary in the future.
>>75147143
>Is socialism actually a problem?
Yes because economics is not some arbitrary "DUDE WE CAN JUST DO WHATEVER WE WANT LMAO" field where intentions and goals magically equal results. There are actual laws in place that govern what happens when you do X, and they do not magically disappear when you don't have jews/minorities/degenerates/etc. allegedly causing it to not work around.
Although there are many other reasons, the Economic Calculation Problem ALONE makes centrally planned economies incapable of being anything other than horrendously inefficient nightmares.
>>75149229
>Nope, since you're always free to leave.
without government papers? and to go where? to another socialist state?
>Are usually elected.
selected, not elected, it doesn't matter who you pick if they are all socialists who think your money belongs to them to do with as they choose
>Not just on individuals, but on a collective, which you are a part of.
take my money then spend it on me? what? why don't I just spend it myself, reduce the bureaucracy?
>you always have Somalia
don't worry, they're importing somalia and western sahara so we don't have to go there
>stop fucking crying, your ideas are childish.
oh, your so butch, can't argue so makes and homs, lazy and stupid
you just want free stuff
>>75149229
Nonsense. East Germany built a wall to keep people in and those that 'chose' to 'leave' were shot. Cubans risk their lives regularly to 'leave' the Cuban Utopia. When there's nowhere left to run, the 100,000,000 killed by the 20th century marxists will seem a drop in the bucket.
>>75147143
>Not realising both socialism and capitalism must fuel each other for society to truly progress
I thought this was a 18+ board
>>75149657
Even in the United States the Federal Government still claims a right to your income even if you leave the US and are no longer a citizen. This argument is fucking bullshit even if we take the (enormous) assumption that states magically have a right to you and your assets.
>>75148896
>Totalitarianism doesn't preclude socialism.
It is an anathema to Socialism.
>They owned it in USSR too. It was collective property.
No. The State owned production, not the workers. There was no worker representation, at all. The Soviet Union abolished the worker soviets and replaced them with a single Soviet of the Party elite.
Production served the elite, not the people. It was an Imperial State, in all but name.
