http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36385839
>The Government Accountability Office said the Pentagon was one of several departments where "legacy systems" urgently needed to be replaced.
>The report said taxpayers spent $61bn (£41bn) a year on maintaining ageing technologies
>The report said that the Department of Defence systems that co-ordinated intercontinental ballistic missiles, nuclear bombers and tanker support aircraft "runs on an IBM Series-1 Computer - a 1970s computing system - and uses eight-inch floppy disks".
>"However, to address obsolescence concerns, the floppy drives are scheduled to be replaced with secure digital devices by the end of 2017."
whoa..............
More secure than modern software.
>>75132863
So what
If it works don't fucking touch it
I'm sorry our country isn't part robot like your's is, chingo.
>>75132863
>"However, to address obsolescence concerns, the floppy drives are scheduled to be replaced with secure digital devices by the end of 2017."
Ya secure just like Clintons emails and other things the Chinese have hacked, holy fuck we are screwed.
>>75132863
>However, to address obsolescence concerns, the floppy drives are scheduled to be replaced with secure digital devices by the end of 2017.
I doubt the government is still able to do things like that.
>>75132863
I can't believe that in this current year we have to pay for the military extra to use Save icons
>>75132863
If it works who gives a shit? Security is paramount so change for the sake of change is discouraged.
>>75132863
Oh let me use a computer that can be hacked!
The BBC needs to stop pretending that they're geniuses.
>>75132863
It's actually more secure than any modern system. New doesn't always mean better.
>>75132863
This is it guys. The US is fucked when they replace those computers.
Prepare for happenings
>>75132863
>and uses eight-inch floppy disks".
and you post a 5 and 1/4 inch disk.
I thought japs where good with technology.
>>75133142
Yes, people in Japan still use floppy dicks.
i agree, lets move our nuclear launch codes to the cloud
>>75132863
Doesn't surprise me at all
There is whole factions of the government copying notes by hand and shit
>>75132863
And my phone has more computing power than most satellites in outer space. What's your point?
Proven and resilient technology > modern and flimsy bleeding edge
>>75132863
> Implying we'll all still be alive by then
>>75133142
this
>>75132948
Fpbp
They're full proof when it comes to security and everyone around the world never really had time to adapt to the tech and the ones that did destroyed everything related to them decades ago
It's full proof really
>>75133231
I think I trust the government to be able to change a floppy disk. I know they mess up a lot, but I really think we can do it this time.
>>75132863
Don't space ships use ancient computers as well because if something does go catastrophically wrong you can fix it on the fly without being two hundred chinese children with soldering irons?
I sure as shit wouldn't want the nuclear arsenal going offline for 12 hours because windows 10 automatically installed itself.
>>75132863
All modern hardware is full of backdoors.
>>75132863
Good.
We let Russia into our computers on thumb drives.
Those old floppies were so comfy. I remember how amazing it was to save my little beginner's text-based adventure games on a floppy.
>>75133303
>full proof
>>75133260
>4chan leaks nuclear launch codes
>the nukening brings a giant wave of normies and international spies to the site
jdimsa
>>75132863
pro tip:
any piece of technology being upgraded/introduced into nuclear systems have to be tested and tested and tested and retested to ensure that shit wont accidentally the midwest.
>>75133303
It's "fool proof" you dip.
>>75133303
Yep, spot on. No way to access the data on a floppy disk without getting your hands on it. More secure than keeping the info in a database somewhere
>>75132863
Is it true that using these old computers is more secure? To hack these older systems, you would have to have physical access to them? Once the transition to digital devices it complete, would it be reasonable to think that they could be hacked without having physical access? Am I wrong?
>>75133334
It's a huge mistake. The closer to analogue the better.
>>75133464
its a doggy dog world
>Inb4 Windows 10 upgrade
There's also a reason SKYKING transmits on open channels. One Tine Ciphers can't be hacked, either.
Can't hack what you can dial-up on a 28.8k baud modem.
>>75133407
There are no spies on this website. Please continue discussing this topic as planned.
>>75133296
Right, it is fully functional and runs fine the way it is. Not everything is about speed and power, in fact a lot of new stuff I get like phones tablets and custom built PCs, things fail a lot and some things are still laggy as fuck...
>>75132863
Wow, we should really upgrade these systems. Connect them to the Internet and give all the silos their own twitter accounts so they can communicate better. Also they should all be running on foreign made hardware, what could go wrong?
>>75132863
The PS2 has more computing power than an entire SSBN. so...yeah, fuck off.
We use hydraulic computing as one of the duplicates for the control system of dead hand
Dont think using modern electronics matter, it is not
>>75133363
i don't like the idea of aliens flying around with a bunch of ching chong tech workers. enough!
>>75133510
Basically they're "hack-proof," by the popular misunderstanding of hacking as unintended access, since the only way to mess with them is to already have access at the physical site and deliberately misuse them.
It's not all progress, kids, some of it goes backwards.
>>75133510
It's true. Modern hardware is designed to prevent airgapping.
>>75133563
Have to install 8.1 first
Maybe the disks contain a .txt file with all launch codes
>>75133334
These days, hackers are a diamond dozen. It's opened season on our nukes for all intensive purposes
>>75132863
What kind of individual would laugh at that.
I know, an uneducated one.
Dumbass, magnetic tape is by far the most wear and age resistant way of storing data that we have right now, maybe soon they will develop some other way, but for now it is.
and?
does it STILL launch the nukes?
then what they fuck does it matter?
you don't want that in some kind of vulnerable format
why "modernize" it?
that doesn't always mean better you know
>>75132863
thats good very good
>security by obscurity
why is everyone thinking this shit will be connected to the internet, it'll probably be isolated from other wireless/outside communication sources. i'm worried those "secure" devices will end up being simple USBs that will be hacked a few months after they are made
>>75132863
Why would they change it when it works?
>>75132863
reminds me of Battlestar Galactica
>>75133734
>what is bit rot
/pol/, stop mouthing off about shit if you don't know anything about the topic
>>75133624
It's for hardest EMP ever, when your balls literally can boil, computer will still work.
>>75133624
You need to move гвapдeйcкaя тaнкoвaя Кaнтeмиpoвcкaя дивизия AWAY from Estonia, NOW.
We see what you're up to. Don't try to take Narva.
>>75133956
Have you changed your roational volicidencer lately?
You really should.
>>75133363
Not necessarily. The computers on newer vehicles like Dragon are modern.
Older vehicles like the space shuttle had computers that ran on 1MB of memory (after an upgrade in the 90s), because the thing was designed in the 1970s.
You don't actually need that much processing power to control a spacecraft. You do all the heavy calculations on Earth, then radio the commands to the spacecraft.
>>75133956
hold on, are you telling me, hold up, that the registry is getting rusty?
>Putting your nukes under control of Windont
>>75134050
it's actually better that way really, keep the super computers planetside to do the heavy lifting
Floppies are secure. The best security us physical security.
A lot of business still uses em tape for backups too. Safe, secure, and high capacity.
>>75133303
>they're full proof
>the real reason they still use the old systems is because they are a diamond dozen.
>>75133698
Leddit pls go.
>tfw they'll use Chinese electronics with in the new system
>Get hacked by China who will remotely launch nukes to kill their enemies and have the US get nuked for it
arr according to pran
>>75134273
Suomi, plz tell Marju I love her.
>>75133251
>Indian dicks don't even flop
And in comes literally the only nation on the planet and in all of human history that has no vantage point from which to make dick jokes at Japan.
Modern computers are just as hack-proof as old ones so long as they aren't networked.
You would still need physical access in order to hack it.
>>75134239
>full proof
>diamond dozen
>>75134237
Former database administrator here.
This is 100% true. Our worst fears were someone coming in with a USB thumb drive, copying information, and then leaving unprotected. 100% complete isolation from the network doesn't mean shit if someone can waltz right in and hook up a wifi dongle or storage drive
This is why a lot of corps are still using AS/400 even though it's "outdated". We had IBM 9404 systems. No USB devices. Most everything done with physical tape backup.
if it aint broke, dont fix it... pic related
>>75132863
Can't be wirelessly fucked with? The horror!
On a tangentially related noted:
As it turns out, our safest reactor designs are forty years old because those fuckers knew what they were doing unlike our current generation of No Child Left Behind fuckwits.
They didn't get there easy, though. It took a lot of fuckups to clear the air and quit stapling Metal Gear engineers to the bunker ceiling.
By Metal Gear, I mean we had several nuclear tanks in experimental phases before we decided to stop designing reactors like the Russians.
>>75132863
We still use nukes too, so what?
>>75133464
"full proof" means that the security of the system can be fully proven, you au jour.
>>75132863
For real though, can you imagine some fucking Russian mole finally getting clearance to a high security area, rolling in with his super duper hidden USB device and finding a cabinet full of sleeved up floppies?
>>75134656
this so fucking hard.
just god damn.
having to account for human antics.
fuck my life.
>>75134840
Also; Imagine having to shelve a portable 5 1/4 floppy drive up his ass to get in and copy some material?
>>75133698
military nuclear networks are an intranet, closed off from the internet. Its been built that way since the beginning of ARPANet.
>>75133404
>>75133464
>>75133303
>Mfw even drunk I an still aptly fuck with grammar whores
You guys are more fun than a barrel full of monkeys
>>75134239
No they've literally kept them because of how hard they are to just steal outright.
Also
>8" floppy's
>A dime a dozen
Let me know when you can find someone who will burn an old laserdisk for you cunt and then we can talk about the cost of making floppy's that literally had the shelf life of less than a decade
>>75134840
>Implying they haven't already
>>75132863
They use them for a reason.
>>75134840
This is the reason.
>>75134656
Dude, i find so many unsecured mongo databases daily and its just simple connection on 3389 and switching to another database inside and you can take whatever you want.
>>75134697
RIP
My ID wills it, TRANNY WAR NOW
>>75132863
I haven't read the thread, so I apologize if someone has already mentioned this.
Projections for the federal budget use Fortran, a program from the fucking 50s. The government tried to move to a different program and it wasn't as accurate for some reason, so they just said "fuck it" and kept Fortran. I would not be surprised if the same thing happens with the DoD.
why would you tell people this?
>>75134840
[gulags internally]
>>75133303
If it is full proof I would like to see a fool proof deriving your conclusion. After all, it's a doggy dog world and posters are a diamond dozen.
>>75135117
>tfw still have a bunch of shit from childhood saved on floppies but can't be fucked buying a floppy drive
I should eventually, before they disappear.
Also my Video Vinyl is worthless now that my machine broke. Buying a new one is so expensive.
>>75134840
Just need a unit to copy from floppy to internal hard drive. Not hard to do.
Just a Multi Game Doctor except not for games.
http://videogamedevelopmentdevices.wikia.com/wiki/Multi-Game_Doctor_2
>>75132863
That's it!!!
I'm a nippon nao!!
>>75135232
Ada is still used for embedded programming in the aerospace industry. And many places still use COBAL, chiefly finance.
>>75135265
>Millenial Russian mole gets in
>"What the fuck is this?"
>Desperately looking for a photocopier so he can copy the discs
But yeah, floppies actually sound like a good idea now that I think about it. Less space than tape, more secure than USB accessible terminals.
>>75133723
This
I have cassette tapes with programs on them my dad wrote from the 70s, The dye on cd's starts to degrade after 7 to 10 years hdd's WILL eventually fuck up but there no certainty when they will, flash memory only has so many write cycles and degrades slowly throughout its life.
Tape Is still the best choice if you want to keep data intact for a long time.
>>75135332
Its COBOL. I'm worried I might need to learn it.
>>75133624
>dead hand
>not automatic
it's not really a dead hand... it just lets the military launch without any politicians input.
>>75135423
How many write cycles are you realistically gonna use for nuclear secrets?
not many
>>75135280
See my post below that but;
Imagine shelving this thing in your ass cheeks.
>>75133723
>Mfw my dad used to run ticker tape for TELECOM back in the 70's
>Mfw where he worked they kept the info hub running but using magnets in the floor that basically created unlimited energy
>Mfw that shit was built in the early 60's
>Yfw you realize that the US solved the energy crisis back in the 60's but never told anyone because you don't make money off unlimited free energy
>>75134949
Honestly, things haven't changed that much in a decade. Just like my old company was still using an antiquated timelock vault system from the 1960's because it was more secure than a new "digital" system.
How many people nowadays can crack one of those old systems versus cracking some computer code?
Now I do consulting for network/data security and I move all of my clients towards "legacy" systems.
It's also a reason why you see so many businesses sticking within Windows XP.
>>75132948
>>75133142
These two points, it's on purpose.
>The Government Accountability Office said the Pentagon was one of several departments where "legacy systems" urgently needed to be replaced.
Holy crap, screw off accountability office. That's like the mentality of the iphone 6 must be better than the iphone 5.
>>75135508
this hasn't gone wrong so far
if anything we should find a way of making the giant floppies better at what they do
>>75135542
Yes but flash cant hold onto its memory for nearly as long a tape.
>>75133723
There have been a lot of arguments about this in the film industry.
Guys like Scorsese have pointed out that it's actually safer to preserve celluloid prints (certain celluloid answer prints) because they've found from experience that so many people in charge of storage basically feel overly secure with the digital storage and don't take proper steps to constantly back it up.
But honestly, that's more human error than technological.
Although - see Star Wars. Fucking George Lucas.
>>75135332
I have some friends in finance that are still using vintage HP 12C calculators to this day.
Does what they need without the extra bullshit. That is often lost on the younger generation.
>>75132863
I've asked this before and I'll ask it again: Tell me why the United States is considered the first world again?
What a joke of a country.
>>75135267
>doggy dog
It's "dog eat dog"
>>75132948
....he has a point
>>75135750
very weak bait, if you were going to try this it would have had to have been at the start of the thread to pull anyone at all.
2/10 apply yourself.
>>75133251
your missile system is poop
>>75135627
Vendors want to sell their new products for lofty government contracts, and they'll promise career officers nice cushy jobs and salaries after they retire from military service.
>>75135674
Apparently in the 1980s they made Streamer Cassettes who could hold 50-160 Mb of data.
Maybe they could have been better if they kept working on them, who knows.
>>75135750
Because they'll be the first to roll your ass into a toothbrush if you get too uppity.
DOOM started on a floppy, ya tellin me that shit ain't total cash?
>ancient systems that no one remembers how to work
>physically incompatible with modern systems
Why the fuck would we want our nuclear control systems to be compatible with anything else?
I actually think software and even hardware was better the more you go back in most cases due to it's cost and where it was built.
>>75135816
>not an argument
>>75132863
Makes perfect sense, try hacking some computer from the 1970s, or pirating those bigass floppys. I'd be worried about them switching to modern digital devices.
>>75132863
Don't fix what isn't broken.
>>75134840
just take a picture of the floppy drive
now a days the resolution on cameras is so good you can just take a picture and record all the data that way
>>75132863
EW Guy here. I work in bomber electronic warfare avionics for a living. Just because it's old, doesn't mean it isn't working as designed. We use equipment from the 19 80s that literally does the same shit new equipment would do. The difference is that people immediately assume a flash drive is better than an older means of data transfer ing or holding such as a card. Flash drives aren't designed to have 0 fails for thousands of hours of use and hard use at that. All this equipment (especially in aircraft) is ruggedized, tested for hundreds of thousands of hours to make sure there are 0 failures. I'll leave off with if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Some things do need updating, but most of the time it's cost affective and efficient to continue using older systems.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I still have some programs written in assembly that are flawless because they had to be. Good stuff bad for wrists though.
>>75132863
well at least the general public doesnt know that the icbm project was a lie. even the acronym is just a poo joke
all thats on the flopys is a old game called missile command. there is no missile defense strategy for america. its all smoke and mirrors
>>75133696
HOLY SHIT, TELL ME THAT'S NOT REAL! HAHAHA
>>75135264
"Transparency "
>>75135267
>are a diamond dozen.
Is this a meme now?
>>75135274
>Video Vinyl is worthless now that my machine broke
I can still run and burn them. I've kept every single hunk of tech I've ever owned and when I noticed new shit coming out to replace it I would buy the most advanced versions of them while they were still avalible on the market and then store them in a safe place. You would be surprised just howuch of the old shit still works desire not bring touched in over 30 years.
>>75132948
/thread
>>75135991
>millenial Russian super agent gains access to secure area
>Several days later his control agent picks up the package at the dead drop
>Hundreds of pages of photocopies of floppy drives
>>75136184
You can bet the Russians are using something archaic too.
>>75135788
no it's doggy dog.
>>75136279
>the russians are encoding their data on the DNA of single-stranded RNA bacteriophages.
Whoa.
>>75133696
They're in the readme file.
>>75135500
Its not that hard. If you look at the code it flows like a book. Hopper knew what she was doing.
>>75135829
No. Not at all.
>>75135863
>Maybe they could have been better if they kept working on them,
Thats the story with every US military venture desu senpai
We used to do a great many things but due to politicians and weak faggots who couldn't justify continued exploration due to not knowing enough about the work and the actual tech junkies doing it couldn't it it into English so nobody was able to go to bat for stuff like that.
Kinda sad desu, we peaked at the 70's and then have been making garbage ever since just for quick cash
>>75136279
Already ahead of you.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/russia-reverts-paper-nsa-leaks
>>75136345
Trump becomes President and the USA and Russia become close allies creating a supreme superpower. BBS becomes popular again as well as usenet. IRC efnet and dalnet return as well as ICQ. Earth is great again.
>>75132948
No it isn't
You don't know anything about technology. Leave
Older architectures have bugs ingrained in the metal, so to speak. Plug in a USB and a program can turn on, exploiting code that ascends permission levels inside the CPU.
And I honestly don't think it has the processor speed to even do 1 SHA1 hash in a reasonable amount of time
It's all depending on the architecture, OS, and software found on the computer. It'd be easy to exploit something if you were near it
>>75136184
thanks for the kek comrad
>>75132948
FPBP
The less compatible it is to modern tech the better
Low tech used wisely is better than modern tech used by retards
See Vietnam War
>inb4 Russia gave them good guns
It was the traps that won the battles in the war anon
>>75136419
I already had to learn SAS, SPSS, Stata, RStudio, MATLAB, and ArcGIS. Its hard enough to remember what goes where.
>>75132863
If it ain't broke...
>>75136041
AR was always better senpai
>>75136157
this, my gramophone from 90's still works flawlessly, only rubber hardened so much that it's pulverized itself
capacitors looks brand new, you'll not going to get similar quality in modern hardware
>>75136540
>FPBP
>The less compatible it is to modern tech the better
>Low tech used wisely is better than modern tech used by retards
>See Vietnam War
>
>>inb4 Russia gave them good guns
>It was the traps that won the battles in the war anon
Most of the time it's the people who are the weakness not the technology anyways.
>>75132948
This.
I fucking hate when people talk about this shit. Why put nuclear missiles on networked computers?
>>75134656
>my company uses AS/400
Makes sense now. I just thought they were being cheap.
>>75136464
>we peaked at the 70's and then have been making garbage ever since just for quick cash
This.
Neoliberals got into power in 1980 and steered the US into a wall. They've been in power ever since and they're ruining everything.
>>75136345
>bacteria mutates slightly
>third false code of the day is actually now a true code
It's like fuzzy logic
>>75136540
the Vietnamese got their shit stomped at all times
they won no battles
>>75136528
60 Minutes did a story on it a couple years ago. Pretty big thread in /k/ about it.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/whos-minding-the-nuclear-weapons/
>An Air Force officer showed Stahl one of the disks, marked “Top Secret,” which is used with the computer that handles what was once called the Strategic Air Command Digital Network (SACDIN), a communication system that delivers launch commands to US missile forces. Beyond the floppies, a majority of the systems in the Wyoming US Air Force launch control center (LCC) Stahl visited dated back to the 1960s and 1970s, offering the Air Force’s missile forces an added level of cyber security, ICBM forces commander Major General Jack Weinstein told 60 Minutes.
>“A few years ago we did a complete analysis of our entire network,” Weinstein said. “Cyber engineers found out that the system is extremely safe and extremely secure in the way it's developed.”
>However, not all of the Minuteman launch control centers’ aging hardware is an advantage. The analog phone systems, for example, often make it difficult for the missileers to communicate with each other or with their base. The Air Force commissioned studies on updating the ground-based missile force last year, and it's preparing to spend $19 million this year on updates to the launch control centers. The military has also requested $600 million next year for further improvements.
Worth a watch if you can.
>>75132863
Two possible reasons come to mind to not upgrade
1. its not broke so don't fix it
2. security
Its the same reason that George Are Are Martin uses an antique computer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5REM-3nWHg
>>75136701
>Neoliberals
I think the communists and socialists have sort of warped the meaning of liberal now where it's anathema. It's a damn shame really. Now it's almost a curse word.
>>75136528
100%
People who can't into /g/ need to kill themselves. Eating into the whole "China has infinite cyber-warfare capabilities and regularly hacks the Pentagon" is fucking retarded
They made fucking worms that had 50 lines of code that completely hijacked a computer back in the day
>>75136540
Actually China gave them far more weapons and literally thousands of troops
Vietnam was a proxy war against China just like Korea was
>>75136500
if you still can access it, a 5 digit icq is worth big bucks
also, checked
>implying the bbc knows how the worlds biggest superpower handles their nuclear arms
sweet thread retards
>>75132863
>mr. best korea comes and steals the floppy
>now when we have this piece of modern technology, we can destroy us and a and worst korean doggu, heh-heh-heh
>3 years later, after a long and hard work which required sacrifice of entire country and another 4 million starved, we have finally reached a floppy disk age!
>nukes deployed, bye, bye america
>>75136785
>They made fucking worms that had 50 lines of code that completely hijacked a computer back in the day
source on the name?
>>75136622
>greentexting everything I said
But good point anon its the people who fuck up 99% of the time
The rest is just planned obsolescence by the Jews who wanted sales rather than quality
Now to think about it these old tech were made when planned obsolescence is still a foul in the industry and has the longer lifetimes on it
>>75136775
>Now it's almost a curse word.
>Now
It's always been a curse word
Do your homework lad
The problem with continuing to use legacy systems is that eventually the government will run out of people who have the neccesary expertise to maintain them.
However, if the alternative is to replace everything with Surface pro tablets, then I say we ride those old-ass computers until they (and their operators) grind to dust.
>>75136775
>I think the communists and socialists have sort of warped the meaning of liberal
Well, in 1980 the Neoliberals threw out the American School of Economics. The American School had turned the US into an economic and military superpower:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_School_%28economics%29
The US started going downhill the day Reagan took Office.
>>75136965
There's a reason 70's movies are arguably the height of film
>>75136772
This
If it ain't broke don't fix it
Plus you have to be in the actual launch console, which is heavily guarded, to be able to hack it
>>75136965
Watching a show and flubbed. Yea the whole planned obsolescence was happening the 90's for sure as they started putting fuses on toner carts and inkjets. You would have to take a hot iron or poker of some sort cut a hole and refill with bottle and short the fuse.
If the government wants to use old technology why aren't they putting some of the the trillions of dollars they have into a factory that would still make old computers and floppy discs?
>>75135873
They're free to try... again....
>>75137046
>Implying the military doesn't teach new techs all about them
I know they come off as stupid sometimes
But you seriously need to give the US military more credit
>>75136854
you don't need a 5 digit icq though right
does it have any advantages other than bragging
>>75137176
A FUCKIN LEAF
>>75137174
Because they do
Who o you think owns the patents for all that shit lad?
>>75136928
hory shit... at least best korea still has their balls attached, unlike nips.
>>75137070
Here another tidbit to help shore up what you're saying. It actually does get exponentially worse when Reagan gets in office.
https://youtu.be/h6KQY5gbEAM
>>75135788
the misspelling was your bait, and you fell for it.
>>75134734
safest reactor designs are forty years old
I think you have to prove that one there, m8y
>>75137046
This is probably a bigger problem for private business than it is for the military. For a business its really just some simple cost-benefit math that determines when you upgrade. Eventually you reach a point where the knowledge is so specialized that the only people left who know how to service the antiquated equipment are charging a premium price for their service because of supply/demand. In contrast the military can pretty much train new people forever if they want to.
Also people need to realize how intensive the process of upgrading something that sensitive and critical would be. Years of assessment and auditing would be involved before they could even pick a replacement candidate, then more assessment and auditing. The end result would be a system that still does exactly the same shit as the current one.
>>75137176
We did cuck
And we won
Also
>Cucknadia ns burnt down he white house
>Not British and Scottish soldiers who traveled to Canada and then marched their way down to DC
>>75136772
Martin's computer didn't sound antique. Running DOS and Wordstar 4.0.
>>75137176
wrong uniform and country
>AFUCKINGLEAF
>>75137306
Fucking national hero
>>75134734
>As it turns out, our safest reactor designs are forty years old
Only because the reactors under construction in the 80's were shut down by hippies.
https://youtu.be/QiNRdmaJkrM?t=3907
>>75133510
You are wrong on the second part. You can still require physical access.
>>75136528
>Plug in a USB
>IBM-1 had USB ports
>>75137442
>Implying a girl would ever use comments
>>75136528
>IBM-1
>USB port
>>75132863
>New PSA from National Security
"Don't copy that floppy."
>>75137128
Fun fact: We're only now just barely starting to see digital cinema products that can rival the average celluloid product from the 90's.
People are going to see this weird gap in movie history where for a period of 10-20 years image quality dipped before getting better.
>>>75137277 >>75137411 >>75137442
lmao I never said it was Canada. It's just a warning that it'll end in failure.
LMAO THIS TRIGGERS THE AMERIFAT HAHAHHAHAAH Honestly, guys. You got your asses kicked. You tried to take a territory and suffered a humiliating LOSS.
lmao I love triggering Amerifats with this picture.
>>75137167
Nah m8 planned obsolescence was a thing in the 20s where light bulb Jews purposely limit the life of the bulb (look at the 100 year old bulb, guess what time it's made)
Then GM transitioned to a "buy a car yearly" model and gimped every car they produced then and made mad dosh
Ford hated this practice because it compromised quality and it was unethical to the consumers (This is one of the reasons he hated Jews)
Then decades after every industry adapted to this strategy bit by bit until the 90s where the tech industry was one of the last industries to adapt it
>>75136528
>if you were near it
How easy would that be? Even if you were assigned to that desk you would not be there alone. They don't let one fat guy sit with his finger on the trigger, there is always redundant responsibility for stuff like that. You may be able to buy off a single technician, but it will be much harder to buy off an entire staff shift. They probably keep the scheduling unpredictable as well for sensitive stuff like this so you don't even know who you will be working next to a few weeks from now.
Can someone explain how the fuck floppy disks are more secure than firewalled offline computers?
>>75132863
They should probably connect everything to the Internet
That would be the best idea in the history of best ideas.
>>75135500
To know COBOL is a fucking rarity in the industry nowadays. Everyone that knows it is either retiring or dying, creating a massive void and demand for people who can maintain these old legacy systems.
>>75136500
>BBS becomes popular again as well as usenet. IRC efnet and dalnet return as well as ICQ. Earth is great again.
I need this. Social media and cheap smartphones have ruined the internet. Most people should not have a voice.
>>75137823
I had noticed that some things from the late eighties and early nineties are just absolutely gorgeous and wondered, why doesn't everything look like that now? Why did we decide to drop that?
>>75137307
The US needs to drop the ideological bullshit and return to the American School of Economics.
>all engineers maintaining these retro machines die out
>no one knows how they work
>all systems forced to upgrade
>US nuclear warheads operation center staff 100% girls
>written in ruby and javascript
this is the future you chose
>>75137863
Planned obsolescence anon
Floppies used here are made before the tech industry practiced planned obsolescence
Plus you have to be in the actual console to hack it
Any modern tech today gas some gimp to it compromising quality like smartphone that lasts 3 years max before it lags to hell
Plus everyone transitioned to modern tech dumping anything that counters this tech
Why do you think SKYKING uses old ass tech?
It's more secure
>>75138069
>The US needs to use common sense economics
Agreed. Boggles the mind how things were allowed to progress to this point.
>>75137840
>Then GM transitioned to a "buy a car yearly" model and gimped every car they produced then and made mad dosh
The fuckers bought out a guy who had managed to create a 100 mpg engine back in the 80's for millions
Then they went and locked it away in some shelf and it hasn't seen the light if day since.
Shit, VW has a car that could hit 300 mpg if you drive it right and the US government outright banned them from even showing it off here
>>75135557
???
no free energy fool
>>75138216
They also had fuel cells back then too. Perhaps if the too big to fail crap stop s and we get government out of most of everything we'll see some real progress.
>>75138071
They have manuals Spürdo and the military considering WMDs doesn't give a fuck about quotas since the state of the world is concerned they have to hire the best people trained by the old fucks who use these
>>75137867
>catastrophe
>worldwide conflagration
>end of humanity
it depends on how you look at it
Why fix what's not broke?
>>75136528
>USB on an ancient IBM
>>75138233
Once you buy it you wouldn't have anything to pay
Most likely it would have been a rent basis because the government isn't stupid and tends to be greedy.
Remember anon, there is no profit in solving only temporary patching
>>75138296
>we get government out of most of everything we'll see some real progress.
That is literally been the struggle for advancement basically since the dark ages
>>75137867
>Connect the launch console with everything else on the internet
>Where millions of cyber attacks happen everyday
Sure thing Sergei
Connecting this shit on the internet will make them the primary target with the possibility of annihilation through nukes
>OH NOES floppy disk am badz, why dont nukes have OSX?? :^(???!?!?
This was brought up years ago. The shit works. Being /g/ illiterate is no excuse.
>>75138041
Switching to digital. Has huge advantages in terms of cost and ease of production, and just because that's the way it's going.
At the same time, as digital picks up, analogue technology becomes obsolete and you can't use it anymore.
When Tarantino made Django Unchained, he wanted his cinematographer to use the analogue systems he had used in the 90's to produce really beautiful images - But that system required a specialist lab technique that costs a fortune now and is hard to do, so the studio said no - shoot on film, sure, but finish digitally. He tried to replicate the look but it just wasn't as good.
By the 90's celluloid tech had 100 years of tinkering and refinement behind it, whereas digital has (in cinema terms) really only got 10-15 years behind it.
All digital cinema cameras are equipped with one chip - now that chip can be adjusted for a wide range of ISO's, but it really has a sweet spot. Celluloid had a huge range of stock with one fixed ISO, but that stock was tailored to work at peak performance at that one ISO.
Also, the technological capability is there to produce cinema tech that rivals or surpasses the image quality of these analogue formats - but like any tech it takes forever to filter down to actual working, usable consumer tech. You could theoretically build a camera that allows for change out chips, with each chip specially designed to do one job really, really well (like analogue formats) and it will happen eventually, but it's just going to take a long time.
>>75136528
>USB
>on Gen I IBM
>>75136528
>plug a USB into an IBM 1
Nigga wat
>>75136758
From the 60 minutes report
>>75138844
Saw a thing on U.S. subs - They still had their launch codes and shit on cards in spin lock safes.
Curious how the British operate.
Up until the Cold War at least, they had the best information gathering and dispersing systems in the world, by far.
I assume since then they have deteriorated and been eclipsed.
>>75138776
>and you can't use it anymore.
Nice meme
>>75132863
None of you lesser countries were really part of this mutually assured destruction thing and most goys here are too young or stupid to know, but there is a good reason for this.
Older computers are MUCH more resistant to radiation and emp. We intentionally used the nm processors and storage devices that we had for surviving indirect nuclear attacks so that through the fallout radiation we could survive long enough to shoot back everything we had.
Bunkers were built and hidden all over the countey with such sites. Powerful underground fortifications that could withstand anything but a direct nuclear strike. We built them all over to force the enemy to choose between those sites or cities. To force them to have to find those sites. It was all a war game about forcing the enemy to need more info and spend more money on more rockets.
Those days were brutal but we made damn sure no one could nuke us without having their own homeland recuced to a glass parking lot. That took a lot of effort and no it wasn't good for mankind's progress. We took many steps back just to be locked in a death grip with a powerful enemy. We flew lodes bombers and sailed loded subs around each other for decades.
Those floppy discs worked with tech that could handle the radiation in an actual MAD event. That's why we had them so long.
>>75139068
I'm talking about in reference to cinema tech.
And yeah, you can't use it anymore. The companies are out of business and no longer produce the material and have packed down (at best) their production equipment and in most cases destroyed it.
There are no labs even set up (globally) anymore than can handle cross processing for cinema, for instance.
>>75138844
The fact that his was shown on public television and that they were even allowed in there proves the government is trying to destroy our country
>>75139179
It all depends on patents mate, he who control them decides how long the product gets to last.
If they were given to real companies that could weather the storm and foot the bill there wouldnt be an issue.
Friend hade watch Regular Show once to try to get me into it and in it their entire world still runs on old school tech because everyone was proved on its reliability and because the show is weird as fuck. Technically you could still run most of the world on what is now considered outdated while still having normies use the bullshit plastic we push out now
>>75139068
Air Force vetted all the footage. It was more of a PR thing at the time, a bunch of "missileers" got caught cheating on proficiency tests, but they talk a lot about the silos and the missiles themselves. It's all pretty dated in the silos, blast doors propped open with crowbars, some rust and water dmg, and really shitty phones.
One of the airforce silo techs posted on /k/ when this aired, he had some interesting stories but I can't remember them well enough to recite.
>>75139474
woops meant to quote >>75139181
>>75138014
Even though I still use that shit, I agree. I could live without my twitter IG FB accounts and was fine with just online forums online chats and having my phone number + texting.
Now I use snapchat just for the bitches but it's dumb... The convos I had on stuff like DC++ and Ventrilo TS and IRC before that were more engaging, intelligent, and meaningful.
Sub 90 IQ people (mostly "minorities" but not exclusively) ruined the internet. Fuck them.
>>75138642
1.) that's not a Russian flag
2.) he's obviously being sarcastic you monkey
>>75136391
Pretty safe, then.
>>75138836
>>75138817
>>75138423
>>75137628
>>75137531
Fine. Find a floppy on craigslist. You don't even need that. Write a script in real time on the keyboard. Old software is outdated one way or another. Bugs are still being found in software that's being used for decades. Latest example of that is Bash.
>>75137854
Last time I read a report on the base. They said that they couldn't find the parts to fix the door at the front. So anyone could get in
>>75139506
Gotcha, but still
>>75139612
1.They arr rook same anon
2.Whoa this.... is the power of... Ironic shitposting
>>75139648
You have never even been near any kind of high security facility and have a dodgy knowledge of both software and hardware. It's time to stop posting.
>>75139648
>a base
There's probably a very big difference between the security at a base where infantry peons are kept in storage and a base where strategic missile stuff is handled. A friend of mine worked in a bunker for the AF, he said the security was exactly as hardcore as you could imagine.
>>75140117
That's literally not an argument.
>>75132863
What do you expect of a country that still uses the Imperial System?
>>75132863
Still use my master race Zip Disks for backing up documents.
Anyone still use obsolete storage technology for backing up small files?
>>75140184
It is because you're just making up hypothetical scenarios in which you could get software onto a computer in a high security facility, while pretending you know what you're talking about. You're making a fool of yourself.
>>75140179
When my father worked at TELECOM their entire shift was spent in isolation and they received orders through a latch hole in the door like in a prison drunk tank as well as food.
They had escorts to and from the facility at the beginning and end of shifts where they had to look at the floor while they walked through the building and if they looked up or around at all they would be court marshalled on the spot and dishonorably discharged. I'm not joking
>>75132863
>old tech no one uses anymore isn't secure
>>75140364
There is literally nothing wrong with the Imperial system you commiefuck
>>75140576
>Anyone still use obsolete storage technology for backing up small files?
Zip user here, too.
>>75132863
Electronic disk storagefags BTFO!
>>75132948
Less chance of getting hacked
>>75140832
so the escorts had clearance to look around, but your dad didn't?
>>75139648
>implying the US military are dumb enough to show the actual bases
They're the ones who denied the existence Area 51 until recently anon
Plus those bases are heavily guarded inch by inch anon
>>75140184
>hurr not an argument your post means nothing
He wasn't arguing retard
>>75137948
COBOL is extremely easy though. I picked it up for a job about ten years back and I had never studied any programming whatsoever prior to that.
>>75140724
How fast do you think that computer can go? Can it even compute a sha1 hash? I doubt it can even do blowfish hashing with a reasonable level of iteration
That means that the nuclear launch codes in that system, are either unprotected or weakly protected. And security through obscurity never works in the long run.
And specifically when designing complex systems, you must always ask "What If?"
I don't know about you, but I don't feel comfortable having my life on the line hoping terrorists who were successful in overthrowing a base, that they don't have floppy drives on hand. I'd rather have everything encrypted with 2 million iterations of a 10 word password using a modern blowfish framework than to pretend we're safe
>$61 billion a year
>billion
>a fucking year
>welp goys i guess it's just more secore
>>75141643
>terrissts seize base
>find nuke launch system
>get confused by floppies
>snackbar them as an affront to allah's will
>>75141403
Correct, and the escorts were only cleared for looking around in that building, otherwise they had access to fuckall like anyone else.
If I were to dig out my childhood mini desktop from my parents garage and start browsing the Internet on windows 95 what would happen?
I think I need to find out!
>>75141643
Maybe the password could be on a different device and you'd have to use that before you could use the legacy system.
Whatever it is though, just make sure it's fucking impossible to be connected online whatsoever. Even intranet is a risk if somewhere else in the network is breached.
>>75141765
That's fucking bizarre. I wonder if the escorts had clearance to look at each other?
>>75141643
no. your whole post is conjecture, it's meningless and you're just making shit up.
>>75141801
What part of my comment did I say I want it connected to the internet?
>>75141755
Okay. Chinese army then. Russian army. Whatever it takes. This hypothetical nuclear base must pass all "What If" questions
>>75141864
You're trying to be funny but I'm serious
>>75141991
Literally not an argument
>>75136743
>Vietnamese
>won no battles
>>75142044
No it's a pretty sound argument. Stop memeing and fuck off back to your thinkpad board.
>>75133083
>by the end of 2017."
Plenty of time for Trump to be sworn in and stop it.
>2011
>not keeping your nuclear missile silos on 1970s computers
That based old hardware was MADE IN AMERICA and guaranteed to not be compromised with some kind of chinese or israeli backdoors that were made on the physical manufacturing level.
USA USA USA USA USA
>>75141643
How the fuck do you sneak into a secure nuke base? This is pure conjecture.
>>75142384
Let's make a comparison. The security behind this machine is at about 50 years old. It took MD5 about 15 years to get broken
If we follow the rule where the amount of transistors on a chip doubles every two years, well modern machines are 2^25 times faster than that machine.
Let's say worst case scenario. China attacks and takes over the base. Do you really trust the security of a 50 year old piece of machine when 20 year old security is considered deprecated? And simply because there's no floppy disks?
>>75142594
Did I say sneak? I said overthrow
They cannot risk going from a secure system to a compromised system. Using modern hardware and software decreases the security of the system. Unless there is a massive performance benefit, you don't risk your nuclear arsenal by changing to a less secure environment.
>>75139648
>They said that they couldn't find the parts to fix the door at the front. So anyone could get in
"Hey Lt. we don't have any parts to fix this high security door. What should we do sir?"
"Whatever you do Sgt. for God's sake don't put armed guards on it while you wait for replacements, that would be stupid."
>>75136743
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lima_Site_85
And there's many more.
>>75142044
I have never wanted a meme to die as much as this "not an argument". It is, ironically, not an argument to say "not an argument", and it results in a circular "no u" conversation every time.
>>75141991
This is true. Your post is conjecture. It IS a valid rebuttal
>>75141643
>how fast can it go?
Let me guess...you probably buy gamer RAM, right? What color are the lights on your DIY Aliumwear?
>dude better connect it to internet and control it through facebook... ITS 2016 FOR GODS SAKE!
How are we supposed to keep our shit secure when everything is made overseas other than using old tech
>>75132948
Anyone on /g/ay will explain to you how it isn't , m8
>>75142039
So am I.
>>75132863
As long as the nuclear arsenal doesn't use Windows 10 I can sleep safe at night.
>>75142638
The security on this machine is not 50 years old. It is probably more like 25 years old and looks like pic related. If the Chinese defeat this security system then we were probably well past the point of totally fucked a few weeks or months ago.
You get more retarded with every post. Keep going.
>>75142744
not an argument
>>75142694
>19 Americans
into the trash
>>75135508
Where did you get that its not automatic?
>>75141129
>>75140576
I still have those and use them for backups. Those are definitely not for frequent use though, like flash drives or even old floppies. Around the time those were at their peak, I took a computer graphics class that required the use of those to store our projects. I lost most of my projects by the end of the class when mine started making the clicking noise. The ones that I use for backups though and only use when I need them still work just fine.
>>75142744
The point of "How fast can it go" is in relation to modern hardware. There are mathematical equations that is difficult to solve but easy to test. This is called hashing.
If the equation is too easy to solve, then it's worthless, because it's easy to find a preimage. For security reasons, modern frameworks use blowfish. It allows you to set the amount of iterations it goes at, meaning you can increase and decrease the security of the test. Generally speaking, higher is better, but the test will be slower. A 50 year old machine won't have the processor power needed to keep up with supercomputers brute forcing the password
>>75142989
So you'll be fine with giving them even more nukes? Real good plan there, buddy
>>75143078
Vietnam won the war you stupid fucking cockstain virgin
>>75141129
>>75140576
>>75143203
lol I remember playing Grand Theft Auto 1 or 2 on Zipdisk.
Can't believe you guys use those.
What port did they use? Scuzzy? Usb?
>>75143203
Zip disks are a long lasting storage medium. I still use Zip disks I bought in 1998.
>>75141643
>How fast do you think that computer can go? Can it even compute a sha1 hash? I doubt it can even do blowfish hashing with a reasonable level of iteration
Why are you arguing that the coffee maker doesn't make toast?
>>75143245
>So you'll be fine with giving them even more nukes? Real good plan there, buddy
At this point they could just salvage the warhead anyway, the integrity of the computer system is meningless in this scenario you've made up. See where your whole argument ended up? It's based on pjure conjecture and the little bits and pieces of knowledge you do possess, and has gone from "you could just plug in a USB-stick" to "China takes over the base". Just stop posting.
>>75143377
>What port did they use? Scuzzy? Usb?
My external uses parallel port, the internal drives use IDE.
It is a Zip+ so it can use 40 pin SCSI, too.
There are newer USB versions, never tried one.
>>75143245
ITS NOT PASSWORD PROTECTED YOU FUCKING MOOK
IT IS PROTECTED BY MEN WITH GUNS AND PHYSICAL KEYS
WHAT THE FUCK DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS
THERE IS NO FUCKING PASSWORD
YOU WATCHED HACKERS TOO MANY TIMES
NO PASSWORD
KEYS
FUCKING KEYS
PHYSICAL FUCKING KEYS
ITS PROBABLY NOT CONNECTED TO ANY NETWORK
NO PASSWORD
NOT NECESSARY
FUCKING
KEYS
IF THE CHINKS ARE IN THAT ROOM IT WAS ALREADY OVER A LONG TIME AGO WE ARE NOT GIVING THEM ANYTHING AT THAT POINT THEY ARE TAKING IT
TAKING THE FUCKING KEYS
BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT YOU NEED TO LAUNCH THE MISSILES
FUCKING
KEYS
>>75143078
Down the cliff, more like.
>>75143613
Reading through his posts it looks like he thinks there are nuclear launch codes sitting on some old desktop in a folder called "Passwords"
>>75143613
and if the base is compromised to the point where shit is so fucked that it's overrun, they'll shoot the fucking keys or just fucking YOLO the missles at wherever they're aimed before the base goes down
>>75143703
and a technician with a VR headset and a nintendo powerglove navigating a 3d gui
>>75143790
if the chinks are sitting at that console then the missiles have probably already flown
>>75143613
You sure about that buddy?
>>75143531
Not really. Plenty of ways to stop that happening. Deadlock the actual silo after a power outage. Or even after any alarm. They'll need months to break it open, depending on the steel
>>75143703
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Codes
>>75142011
Are you fucking stupid? Don't you think the people in the facility are ordered to simply destroy the floppies if such an attack happened?
>inb4 m-muh ninja black ops units from the hollywood movies
>>75143363
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Peace_Accords
>>75143917
They can brute force whatever protection exists on those machines buddy
>>75143914
I'm sure there isn't a salted password in an SQL database that can lead to armageddon if compromised
>>75143975
Which is why there should be. Are you even listening to me?
>>75143613
>ITS PROBABLY NOT CONNECTED TO ANY NETWORK
It's connected to some kind of network since the computers themselves receive president authorization.
>>75143914
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Codes
posting this just makes you look more ignorant dude
>>75144074
Saying that makes you sound like a retard
That's literally a password that is used to send a missile
>>75143703
They sit on a floppy in a folder called "don't click".
>>75143613
But sir....... The launch codes!
>>75132863
if it aint broke dont fix it
>this is coming from japan
>the country responsible for a nuclear reactor being built on a fault line and melting down for no reason, poisoning all life on the planet forever
Thanks chink
>>75132863
People in intelligence and top military positions use old machines, many use just paper and pen. It´s when you want to be 100 % sure.
>>75144142
Rotated daily and not stored on a computer, I doubt they're even put into a computer my understanding is they're VERBAL authorization codes.
>>75143971
What makes you think some of the code aren't in the floppies? Come on...
>>75142011
>Russian
we already took over that base once. we found the computers too modern for us, couldn't understand how to use them, so we left.
>>75144029
what why? Are you fucking stupid?
>>75134734
>unlike our current generation of No Child Left Behind fuckwits.
hahaha
>>75144142
No that is a password used by humans at one set of computers to verify that the authorization comes from the president. Then humans use physical keys to launch the missiles.
>>75144029
not anymore
>>75144041
No, the presidential authorization from the "football" does not launch the missiles. It is not connected to the missiles. It simply sends the message to the appropriate people over the appropriate channels that the launch is authorized and should happen. At that point the two man rule still applies, and the message will be witnessed by two people who have FUCKING KEYS that they use to physically authorize the launch.
The main security system here, aside from the concrete and steel walls and armed guards with hair-triggers, is the two man rule. Nobody can every trigger a launch by themself. It always requires two people at every step of the process to verify that everything is legitimate. It stops the possibility of a Dr Strangelove scenario of a high-ranking guy going crazy (it is unlikely that two highly-vetted people lose it simultaneously) as well as the possibility of treason (again, unlikely to happen twice on the same day)
>>75132863
>Eight-inch floppy disks date back to the early days of computer systems
first, the early days wasn't 20 years ago
second, please dont explain it like it is a history lesson, ive been feeling really old lately
>>75141864
Makes perfect sense. The escorts never know what any of the workers do
>>75144469
> ive been feeling really old lately
Me too. I'm 42, and seen a lot of computing "history" first hand. I feel young when I chat with my drinking buddy, he programmed the London Stock Exchange. It still runs on his code.
>>75139636
kek
Tfw they just upgraded to Minitel Videotex
>>75139648
you're a fucking idiot dude
