WHO IS BACKING ISIS?
Give me your worst hypotheses!
>>75052949
Russia and pic related
>>75052949
Turkey, Saudi, Israel and USA.
>>75052949
Meme Magic
We wanted proof that the #notallmuslims faggots were full of shit. And lo and behold, the stereotypical villains from an 80s movie start showing up and killing people in increasingly wacky ways.
>>75052949
Looting, extortion, other criminality. A lot of their core organizational leaders are former Saddam loyalists. I'm sure they also receive a lot of money from wealthy donors in the Gulf and some Islamic charitues.
>>75052949
The absolute worst case scenario? No one.
I think the most terrifying option is if there is nobody at all backing ISIS.
>>75054216
good meme
>>75052949
Assad, so that he can maintain his regime through constant state of war
>>75054492
I think this is more likely to be the reason Erdogan is supporting ISIS
Keep turkey at war with Kurds, remove the secularist governing and get a bargaining chip with the EU
>>75052949
Brussels
And what do you think of a superhero residing in south east turkey?
Assad
The rebels had more land, and were actually admired throughout the whole world as the oppressed people who have taken arms against their dictator leader
Assad creates ISIS, and aides them, so that they would infiltrate and radicalize the rebels (this isn't even conspiracy theories, this is ACTUAL FACT - Assad DID release extremist radical Sunni clerics from prison, to go to rebel areas and radicalize them), and make them form a really brutal and violent state, that violates more human rights than Assad, and is hated more than Assad.
Now this state can go around, fighting the other rebels as well, taking most of their territory, while also fighting Assad (just enough, so Assad can tell the whole world how he is in a "state of total war with terrorism", and how he is the only one really fighting ISIS).
Now the rebellion is crushed, having only a few patches of Syria remaining (since ISIS took all of their territories), and once there is no more rebellion territories left, and just ISIS and Assad, Assad can start taking ISIS territories by force, by then having full support of the entire world to do it, because he is no longer fighting rebels, he is fighting extremist terrorists, and eventually either take all of Syria back, or keep his Alawite stronghold safe, while the rest of Syria is a perpetual battlefield
As for Russia, they don't give two shits about Assad, or Syria, and they just want their naval and air bases in Latakia
>>75052949
nazis from argentina
GOD
TURKEY
https://www.rt.com/news/326567-is-export-oil-turkey/
https://www.rt.com/news/327701-isis-turkey-oil-trade/
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/09/turkey-syria-daily-exposes-transfer-weapons-supplies-to-isis.html#
https://public.isishq.com/public/about/default.aspx
>>75054216
I think it's our inclination to believe Occam's Razor, which is why we think someone has to be backing ISIS, and this is all geo-political wargames
>>75052949
Not saying there isn't anyone behind them, but they're just doing what muslims have been doing for 1400 years. A lot of times people who say someone be it the CIA, Russia, Israel, or whoever else are #NotAllMuslim pro-rapefugee cucks who can't believe muh religion of peace would ever do such evil things.
>>75052949
Israel, Saudi Arabia, US and Turkey.
Turkey and Saudi Arabia are practically open about it but Israel and US do it more covertly but in the US case its still obvious as fuck.
>>75052949
Big Brick 'n' Mortar. When the EU finally builds a wall to keep the refugees out, that's when the money starts rolling in.
>>75057166
>(this isn't even conspiracy theories, this is ACTUAL FACT
topkek
>Assad DID release extremist radical Sunni clerics from prison, to go to rebel areas and radicalize them)
>muuh Assad you are so evil! you have to release these poor political prisoners
>MUUUUHHH WHY DID YOU RELEASE THOSE PARTICULAR POLITICAL PRISONERS
Please gas yourself you retarded emu fucker.
>>75052949
>Give me your worst hypotheses!
By the Japanese of course. To boos the sales of Toyota trucks. Just watch the pictures and videos.
>>75052949
Anyone say "Clinton E-Mails"?
Space people and lizards.
No one will ever suspect because no one is sure that they are exist.
>>75057477
Muslims do this shit all the time but some one is giving them all the TOW's and the other shit they are using. The US gives Saudi Arabia knowing full well that they will give them to ISIS and Turkey are openly buying oil from them while the US makes zero effort to bomb their oil fields.
The actual backing is only from Saudi Arabia and Qatar, but the main reason ISIS is 'winning' is because they're perfectly positioned to wreck the problem groups of their neighbors.
>>75052949
USA, Israel, Turkey.
>>75057477
A thousand years ago, Muslims made a caliphate that actually advanced science, and created universities, not burn them down, and call science/maths the work of the devil
I find it hard to believe that ISIS and the Abbasids follow the same ideology, when one literally shut down every university in their conquered territory and replaced them with Sharia schools, and the other built unversities, and had scholars so reputable, that Europeans would travel to the Middle East to learn from them
Or are you suggesting, if ISIS does win, then after a while when things settle down, they would start building universities, and developing, and having scholars and shit like that?
>>75057993
>believing the "Islamic Golden Age" meme
All those supposed advances were stolen from the Byzantines, the Persians, and the Indians.
>>75058034
And to clarify, the Persians under Zoroastrianism were quite advanced for the time, as were pre-Mughal Indians.
>>75057861
Yeah, not denying that. All I meant is that they're acting for their own interests, which coincide with the globalists' interests, such as an incentive for mass emigration to Europe and a bigger market for weapons sales.
>>75052949
saudi-israel-turk-zog axis
who the fuck else
Sweden created ISIS so we could get more refugees.
>>75058078
>>75058034
>translating books and expanding on topics/theories previously suggested (which is pretty much what science has been since forever)
>a meme
By your logic, all modern science is just a meme, because they all built up upon something someone before them did, and those people built up on something someone before them did, and if you go back far enough, it was ancient persians, byzantines, and indians (who also built up on something someone before them did)
>>75052949
its obviously ISIS, but my worst hypotheses is the Vatican
pic very related, fuck turkey
>>75058299
Catholic monks also translated books in the same period the early Caliphate did, and yet it's considered a Dark Age for Europe while it was a Golden Age for the muslims. Why? Double standards. We're so used to muslims being destructive savages that the idea of them sitting down and translating Greco-Roman works into Arabic seems like a miracle.
>>75058299
>>75058498
A lot of Arabic works from the Middle Ages are also considered original because they burned down the Latin and Greek documents they took them from.
>>75058498
We call this 'natural selection' in the realm of science.
>>75052949
Hindus
>>75058498
>It's considered a dark age for Europe
literally no rational person believes in the European Dark Age meme being that serious
And are you actually going to claim that absolutely no Arabic/Muslim scientist has come up with a scientific theory, that wasn't just translated word-for-word from another civilization's text, and nothing was added on to it?
>>75054216
I don't think they are really "controlled"
Initially they were funded by the US.
Just like Germans initially funded communism in czarian Russia
Just like Americans initially funded the Nazis
Just like Americans initially funded the Taliban
country elites and secret services fund movement in other countries, but they never can fully control them. But they don't really have to. Mostly these movements just create chaos. Isis would be pretty easy to destroy, but the west doesn't do it, because chaos in the middle east is more useful to them.
>>75058766
Just as the European Dark Age is a meme, so is the Islamic Golden Age. What I'm saying is the main things they're given credit for such as algebra and "Arabic" numerals are taken from other civilizations, and while they might have made some additions, they didn't contribute anything on the scale of the Renaissance or even Ancient Rome.
>>75057729
>Assad DID release extremist radical Sunni clerics from prison
This is actually true. It happened back in 2001, during the Damascus Spring. Though, he had good intentions back there and really thought that this was a good idea.
>>75058766
It's not like they didn't give credit to where they got their ideas from
eg. The Book of Bringing Together and Separating According to the Hindu Calculation
>>75058967
Khawarizmi most certainly did come up with his own ideas, which had some basis in Indian/Greek mathematics/philosophy, he certainly did put forward radical additions, and huge changes, that form modern algebra today
Greeks talked about algebra, but they didn't solve any of the problems, they just put them forward, and said "there might be a way based on such-and-such methods, to solve these problems". Mathematicians like Khawarizmi actually solved them, and wrote books about their applications
Angela Armstrong write:
"Al-Khwarizmi's text can be seen to be distinct not only from the Babylonian tablets, but also from the Diophantus' Arithmetica. It no longer concerns a series of problems to be resolved, but an exposition which starts with primitive terms in which the combinations must give all possible prototypes for equations, which henceforward explicitly constitute the true object of study.
J. J. O'Connor and E. F. Robertson wrote in the MacTutor History of Mathematics archive:
"Perhaps one of the most significant advances made by Arabic mathematics began at this time with the work of al-Khwarizmi, namely the beginnings of algebra. It is important to understand just how significant this new idea was. It was a revolutionary move away from the Greek concept of mathematics which was essentially geometry. Algebra was a unifying theory which allowed rational numbers, irrational numbers, geometrical magnitudes, etc., to all be treated as "algebraic objects". It gave mathematics a whole new development path so much broader in concept to that which had existed before, and provided a vehicle for future development of the subject. Another important aspect of the introduction of algebraic ideas was that it allowed mathematics to be applied to itself in a way which had not happened before."[6]
>>75052949
We know it's the Saudis with some help of Erdogan, no conspiracy theories needed.
>>75058871
> Russia chimps out after centuries of white slavery
> it's out fault, just blame us for everything t.the eternal kraut
Nigger pls
Russia, at least indirectly. Pretty much all of ISIS' funding flows through Russian banks. The more atrocities and attention on ISIS takes attention away from Russia's actions in Ukraine, especially in regards to ethnic cleansing of Tatars and MH17.
>"Perhaps one of the most significant advances made by Arabic mathematics began at this time with the work of al-Khwarizmi, namely the beginnings of algebra. It is important to understand just how significant this new idea was. It was a revolutionary move away from the Greek concept of mathematics which was essentially geometry. Algebra was a unifying theory which allowed rational numbers, irrational numbers, geometrical magnitudes, etc., to all be treated as "algebraic objects". It gave mathematics a whole new development path so much broader in concept to that which had existed before, and provided a vehicle for future development of the subject. Another important aspect of the introduction of algebraic ideas was that it allowed mathematics to be applied to itself in a way which had not happened before."[6]
This is what I am trying to emphasize in that post
They didn't just "copy" and translate
I know you can hate Muslims, and their history, for completely justifiable reasons, but don't let hatred cloud your view for facts and history. That is such a beta thing to do, and I would expect that from liberals and cucks.
How would you like it if a time comes when whites are so hated, that everyone just denies what whites have done for science, and claim it was stolen from Egyptians and Indians?
>>75058631
POO IN LOO!
>>75052949
>all that yellow
wow the kurds have really turned it around
>>75059851
Iraqi kurds get heavy support from the US and Turkey
>>75058871
>Initially they were funded by the US.
doubt it, all of ISIS territory in syria came from the FSA, who has been backed openly by the west since 2013. if anything, ISIS entering the fight was extremely beneficial for assad and russia.
The Wahabist elements of Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
Also, watch Bitter Lake
>>75058193
Yeah, they are just useful idiots and if you asked them where they think they are getting all the US made weapons they would probably behead you.
The plan was to use ISIS as a proxy army to remove Assad and when that was done they would just move in and put their own puppet in power.
>>75059298
>>75059613
Khwarizmi was, I'm fairly sure, born Zoroastrian, in addition to being ethnically Persian, who are Indo-Aryan as opposed to the Semitic Arabs. But this was about religion and not race, so I guess that's not important here.
You do bring up good points, though. I will admit it's hard to think of muslims in anything other than a negative light given all the shit going on in the current year.
>>75059947
> Kurds get support from Turkey
I believe you, Mehmet
The danes in a secret plot to bring down Sweden, they are still buttmad about losing all those wars hundreds of years ago
>>75052949
Directly
>USA
>Saudi Arabia
Indirectly
>EU countries
>>75060092
That's all their elements. Saudi Arabia is Sunni Wahhabism central and thinks every single Muslim country should be.
>>75060064
FSA are ISIS m8
>>75059267
>This is actually true.
Did i ever say it was false? I am just saying its fucking retarded to blame him for it. The west and amnesty whined and cried about political prisoners and when he releases them he gets the blamed by the western governments for doing exactly what they wanted? Its ridiculous.
>>75060270
nice try igor
>>75052949
ISIS is in Syria
Russia is in Syria
Coincidence?
>>75060301
Not an argument.
just usa. rest of them are its tools.
>>75052949
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk1kX-Tdi1Y
Just look at SW of Syria and I wonder who could be.
>>75060064
The FSA is literally a meme made up by Washington. They never existed as a serious fighting force, just a paper army that the US could send weapons to.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/16/us-military-syrian-isis-fighters
>Senators appear incredulous and call for a new plan after hearing news that US military’s $500m effort has resulted in training of only a handful of fighters
>>75060402
lebanon?
>>75060161
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160524/1040155221/kurdistan-turkey-military-iraq.html
>>75060516
It's "odd" how all the FSA leaders wind up "defecting" to ISIS. The US is arming them too.
>>75060597
> a Turk said Turkey is fighting ISIS
into the trash
>>75060516
>The FSA is literally a meme made up by Washington.
the FSA barely exists now, but in 2012 and early 2013 it matched the SAA and was on track to defeat assad conventionally.
>>75060526
Jee, Lebanon ah yes good goy!
>>75060846
Many of those FSA went to ISIS
>>75052949
who is behind that liveuamap lads?
>>75052949
America, Saudi Arabia, Israel...
Israel, you ask? Who do you think is looking after the wounded?
I do
>>75057781
> Libyan operation had no long-lasting consequences for the region
topkek
>>75052949
The Tibetan porch negros
>>75060846
>the FSA barely exists now, but in 2012 and early 2013 it matched the SAA and was on track to defeat assad conventionally.
>t. mainstream US media.
>>75061668
western leaders are fools for killing gaddafi. now your stupid leaders political solution made shit much worse and you guys are paying horrible price for it.
>>75057993
Well I heard the laws governing slavery are taught in some Islamic universities because they do exist, ISIS wasn't making that up. So maybe they would offer a BA in Slavery. You could specialise in Sex Slavery through a Post Grad course maybe. Online study options would be handy but you'd miss out on prac
>>75062011
yup, I laughed at the statement for that reason
Killed Saddam --> Iraq goes to shit
Killed Gaddafi --> Libya goes to shit
The real problem is the borders that don't fit according the ethnic regions in the area. That's why authoritarian regimes are useful in the area to prevent separatists from gaining support. Saddam was a badass at killing terrorists and Gaddafi kept the border of the Sahara safe from migrants
They were killed mostly to maintain the US oil monopoly (because it is traded in dollars)
-Saddam wanted to trade oil in euros
-Gaddafi wanted to trade oil for gold
>tl;dr the USA did it in the long run
>>75052949
Who is backing the Netherlands?
There are almost 10 million people living in the Islamic State.
The keyword there is state.
They get funding like every other state, through taxation (extortion).
Also they are still selling oil and natural gas, mostly to Assad actually.
>>75062481
i cant say USA without USrael
>>75053110
winrar
>>75062011
>western leaders are fools for killing gaddafi.
Not really, they did it to protect their own currency.
>now your stupid leaders political solution made shit much worse and you guys are paying horrible price for it.
Do you think that is a coincidence? The EU borrows a shitton to deal with the migrant situation. Who creates the debt? Who collect the interests?
