>As fast-food workers across the country vie for $15 per hour wages, many business owners have already begun to take humans out of the picture.
>“I was at the National Restaurant Show yesterday and if you look at the robotic devices that are coming into the restaurant industry -- it’s cheaper to buy a $35,000 robotic arm than it is to hire an employee who’s inefficient making $15 an hour bagging French fries -- it’s nonsense and it’s very destructive and it’s inflationary and it’s going to cause a job loss across this country like you’re not going to believe,” said former McDonald’s (MCD) USA CEO Ed Rensi during an interview on the FOX Business Network’s Mornings with Maria.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2016/05/24/fmr-mcdonalds-usa-ceo-35k-robots-cheaper-than-hiring-at-15-per-hour.html
>>75005758
dude, i say let it come.
i don't understand why the whole "automation" thing is a bad thing. there used to be a time when more automation was good, a sign of success, both technologically and financially.
i understand that less people will have jobs, but that's literally inevitable. i mean, isn't most of whole point of technological advancement to make human lives easier to live?
conversatives crying about this remind me of people crying about how trains are going to put an end to the horse business, and all those poor farmers that have been replaced by advancements in agriculture.
if $15 an hour is what puts us further into the future, why is that BAD? all i ever hear is welfare arguments.
>>75006130
The singularity
>implying they wouldn't use burger robots either way
>implying burger robots aren't the realization of the collective American dream
Every company already rolls out automation as and when it's ready. A minimum wage hike won't change anything except the PR spin they put on it.
>>75006130
Because its an artificial subsidization. The machines are coming at a pace they wouldnt have naturally.
Good. They fuck my orders anyway. Taking human error out of the picture is a good thing.
>>75005758
Merely the natural progression of things. It's in the interest of the state to look out for its own people however. A lot of the problem is because people have to work long hours chasing after the dollar. You don't have much time to advance yourself being a robot. I say let the robots do their thing.
It's not even a new concept. The basic tech to do this shit is decades old. It's just improving it to handle more of the steps that require better dexterity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmXLqImT1wE
>>75005758
I bet the robotic arm doesn't pay taxes
>>75006383
top kek. in the 1950s people dreamed of generic purpose robots and flying cars.. 50 years later it never happened because those boomers kept dreaming rather than doing.
>>75005758
35$K sex robots cheaper than paying a teen $15 an hour?
Oh wait, you meant for burgers, nevermind
They can't even count coins. I give them complicated change on purpose.
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>>75006130
The point is that people just cant let it go. Poor first worlders think they are entitled to all the comfort of a developed country while doing third world/robotic tasks. The whole point of immigration/automation is to free westerners from menial tasks, but they cling to it because even if you're white you not free of lazyness/incompetence
Sometimes I wonder if in the future, rural communities will increase.
In the past centuries people started migrating to cities as industrialization increased, and now as automation starts kills jobs, rural communities of people living off the land increases.
discuss
>>75006383
>artificial subsidization
No. It is another variable in a very complex equation. Look at the changes in construction for an example of how things are changing. Burger-bagging robots are just another step and there's nothing particularly fast or slow about the change, it's just changing.
mcdonald's only exists because the government allows them limited liability and corporate recognition, so the government is fully within its rights to ban automation.
>>75006130
>Conservatives are crying about this
>Le conservatives le conservatives
Talk this to the leftwing employee who wants his $15 and hour but instead will lose his job, moron.
>>75005758
no more cum in secret sauce?
>>75006130
>conversatives crying about this remind me of people crying about how trains are going to put an end to the horse business, and all those poor farmers that have been replaced by advancements in agriculture.
What Conservatives are crying about this?
Fucking Liberals man! They are noting without projection.
>>75005758
Wait so they don't even pay their cooks 15/hour?
>>75006383
So dumb.time is an illusion. If it's bound to happen, hardly matters when
>>75006130
well see the problem with automation is the following
its not a bad thing .. everyone agrees on this
the bad thing thats going to happen is that the companies get away with it ... they should pay higher taxes if they automate all their employees away
what are the people going to do?
lets say you have jobs humans can't compete against machines in anymore .. what should these people do? there arent an infinite number of jobs available
we need a form of transfer payments to account for that. Automation should serve society after all and not the other way around.
Unfortunately whats bound to happen is that the rich are only getting richer and suck us dry.
The biggest argument in favor of capitalism has always been that it relies on the brave risk taking individual to take it upon himself to create jobs and prospertity .. if he uses machines to do this this argument is out of the window
>>75006239
This, automation has always been coming no matter what. That's why we should be investing in our young people so they develop the skills they need to succeed in the future economy.
>>75005758
Fuck it, I hope this actually happens.
>no niggers touching your food
>no possibility of spit, piss, cum, blood, etc in your food
>food will be the exact same every time because robot follows algorithm to make food
>all the niggers calling for their $15/hr will be out of jobs and will not be able to collect unemployment because they will be fired, not laid off
This would be so based.
They'll pay $15/hr in the ghetto McDonald's because that's cheaper than replacing the robots every time a nigger steals one.
>>75005758
if that or robot "rights" happens im either leaving the society forever to live on a hippy commune or ill fucking kill those kike scum and their crying contraptions
anyone who believes in this shit is like someone who owns a pitbull
they only deserve and need to be shot
there is no arguing with them
>>75006130
How will having a permanent 30-50% unemployment rate affect the USA? That wasn't a potential side effect of automation at the beginning of the industrial age, because the rest of the economy was growing very fast, but it is now.
>>75006970
>Wait so they don't even pay their cooks 15/hour?
>cooks
the most technical thing they do is slice the onions and tomatos
I don't get why people demanded $15/hr minimum wage
just go get a better job, manual labor can pay a lot if you're willing to do something more complicated than flipping burgers
>>75006630
Go to your local bank and get $2 bills and $1 coins.
Have fun. Fucking sheboon at Carl Jr's didn't even know what a "quarter pound" was the other week
>>75006970
No one "cooks" at McDonalds. The closest you get is picking up a fry basket when a preprogramed machine dings.
>>75007108
>slice the onions and tomatos
Nigger what? I worked at McD's for 3-4 years. We don't slice either one of those. All of the toppings come in packages pre-sliced.
>>75007051
people will take out their frustrations on each other through digital means like what is already happening today
drugs will become plentiful, as well
>>75006912
Perved robots will leak lube onto your buns
What if we lived in a fully automated world where all the shit people do for "work" was done by machines? We could all actually live our lives, pursuing whatever we wanted to do.
Of course, first, we would have to find a way to make money obsolete. Or perhaps once automation really started to catch on, money would become obsolete on its own.
>>75006130
>if $15 an hour is what puts us further into the future, why is that BAD?
Because millions will probably starve you autist
>>75007216
kek, holy shit
do you apply the sauces at least?
>>75006130
We really should be pushing for automation now, so we can have systems and safety nets in place for when the Singularity does come (or at least the inevitable progress in automation)
>>75007051
>lets say you have jobs humans can't compete against machines in anymore .. what should these people do? there arent an infinite number of jobs available
Humans have been inventing labor-saving technologies for thousands of years and none have ever caused a shortage of jobs. Why do you think future ones will? Because you want something for nothing?
>>75006809
never said they're any better, but i'm obviously not in a conversation with any liberals. besides, personally, i think minimum wage should increase along with inflation. otherwise, what's the point? a useful minimum wage also helps companies make steps towards modernizing, which i think will pay off in the long run. if Japan can into robots, why not us?
>>75006667
best answer so far, but i'm familiar with this train of thought. i don't think the best way to stop laziness is to encourage these kind of business model. especially when they're jobs with no skill, and part-time.
my problem lies with the fact that i don't think automation will affect out welfare that much. it will, certainly, but the amount of part-time jobs this economy has created are disheartening to me, and has already created a welfare problem.
>>75006383
already answered, and you're wrong. the pace isn't FAST enough. your opinion is very boomer-esque. comfortable enough to not care about improving the world anymore.
>>75006219
lol
>>75007045
Literally everyone will eventually be dead.
It is bound to happen.
Hardly matters when.
>>75007307
>first, we would have to find a way to make money obsolete
>have skill
>use skill to trade with other skilled people for goods or service
>do whatever the equivalent of profit would be
let the service industry cucks starve off
>>75006686
I hope so. Rural communities are the best.
>>75006449
>All the dindu does is take the tray and put it on the conveyor belt
>chef hat
Fuck that's subtle.
>>75005758
Good, I don't want niggers and spics handling my food anyway.
>>75006239
15$ is simply a catalyst. A number at/over a threshold at which automation becomes viable. Who knows tho 10 might have been more reasonable and bought the unskilled labor enough time to gain a skill and move on in life. But they got greedy and went with 15$
>>75006449
>nigger in the kitchen serving fast food
man it's like they never held any other jobs.
>>75005758
DO IT FAGGOTS!!!
>>75005758
Of course they are
Robots also don't bitch, whine and file lawsuits
>>75007142
I picked up some eggplants at Walmart a few weeks ago. The Shaniqua at the counter asked me what they were, she was completely baffled.
I can understand not eating them but how the fuck do you not know what a god damn eggplant looks like?
Daily reminder - the more we push for automation the sooner we get Artificially Intelligent sexbots
>>75006383
other way around retard.
they've been delayed because there isnt a machine that can compete with pajeet at 50 cents an hour, ching chong at 30 cents an hour, and pablo working construction at 3 dollars an hour.
machines wont be able to compete with near slave humans for centuries.
>>75007216
Jeez Wendy's at least cut lettuce and tomato
>>75007363
All the sandwiches were built by hand.
>>75005758
Hopefully they keep fighting for their 15 just to see if these business owners will put their money where their mouths are.
The real problem that no one wants to address is the hourly worker in general.
I'm sure we've all had / have hourly paying jobs. I'm sure we are all familiar with the people that just do the bare minimum to not get fired, and we, the hard worker, have to pick up their slack.
Hard work is no longer valued by employers that follow an hourly pay wage system. As long as they have the bodies that will do the bare minimum, they are okay with it. The fact that those employers are okay with allowing this behavior is the root of the problem.
But now with so many fears of lawsuits due to discrimination, employers that do want to change, can't make the changes they want for fear of legal repercussions.
This is what happens when you give in to the left.
>>75007955
>all those seams to get your dick snagged on
back to the drawing board Johnson
>>75007955
Sexbots shouldn't be AI, I don't want it to kill me in my sleep
A sexbot should be a regular "smart" bot
I hope other fast food places also go to machines. Then there would no more poo in the loos touching my food
I'll start eating at fast food joints again as soon as I don't have to deal with nigger min wage workers who tend to be a bunch of females with liberal arts degrees and their aspiring fellow sociology majors.
>>75006967
i singled out conservative because i don't come to /pol/ for leftist opinions. grow thicker skin, you little bitch.
>>75007051
i suppose, but people have been using technology to their advantage since forever. that's why most of the world speaks English, because the US and Britain dominated the world through this very same process.
besides, everyone who doesn't have a job can just enlist.
>>75007102
this is my biggest worry, but a lot can be solved by making abortion mandatory and reducing the population size. i don't consider it a big problem for us as a nation though. our population is so small, considering the amount of land we sit on.
>>75007335
doubt it. can you prove that at all? future speculation of doom with no proof isn't convincing me of anything.
>>75008073
>trying to fuck her ankles
>>75007645
That is literally how utopian societies function. Skills are currency.
>>75007955
artificially intelligent sexbots wanting a romanian
>>75005758
I prefer my burger being made by a robot, it has to be much cleaner than some fucking illegal or a teenager putting it together.
>>75006686
Idiot. They won't be able to afford the land or the tools used to farm it. A square mile of farmland is worth millions of dollars and the farm equipment is worth about a million. The only people still farming are the ones who built up wealth over generations or an entire working life, or in some cases corporations.
>>75008130
just turn off the power at night
you gotta save the battery anyway
>>75008130
>Meatbags thinking their safe
>>75007907
>What dis be?
>It's an eggplant.
>Wha~? Nah~! Dis aint no eeeegg plantuh! Dis be sum finna SKWASH, nik-kuuuuuh!
Fucking niggers touching my food. Reeeeeeeeee.
>>75005758
>my burger will be nearly perfect every time
I'm ok with this
too bad kids won't grow up until they're 30 years old because there are no jobs for 16 year olds after the fast food market is gone
>>75005758
K, keep me posted.
>>75006130
Because it hurts small business' that can afford neither robots nor 15$ hour employees
>>75008354
>I'm ok with this
I once went to McDonald's and received a Quarter Pounder without the meat patty. Automation can't come fast enough.
>>75007051
>The biggest argument in favor of capitalism has always been that it relies on the brave risk taking individual to take it upon himself to create jobs and prospertity .. if he uses machines to do this this argument is out of the window
That actually doesn't make sense, if machines are there it would be foolish not to use it, especially looking at it from global perspective. And capitalism is a global game.
You make it sound like capitalism is a company vs employee thing, or that the number of jobs is a fixed.
If it does cause distress upon a large percentage of the population however, the state should do something about distribution of wealth and it would be in it's interest to do so.
>>75005758
Jobs are supposed to produce something. It can bee richness itself or just to provide a service, but it must have a reason.
To give someone a job for the sake of giving someone a job is the same as telling him/her to simply pretend not to be a leech. There is always something that the person could be doing that would bring something back to society.
If a machine can do it better, then let them do it better.
This goes extra when you consider literal brainless jobs like packing fries.
>>75008354
At the rate our education system is going, people won't be "ready for the work force" until they are 30 years old and have a Ph.D anyway.
>conservatives don't want this!
>liberals don't want this!
Both parties have poorfags that dont want this. Pinning this on the rise of minimum wage is disingenuous though, this machines will be cheaper than the current minimum wage. You are damn fool and a tool if you think companies haven't been researching this prior to the wage debate and were content to losing money on paying workers out of the kindness of their hearts.
>>75005758
Wonder how long it will be, before king nigger decrees that all business' have to employ a certain amount of people no matter what.
>>75008354
I'm teaching my nephews woodworking, one is a real artist with a dremel tool.
>CURRANT YEAR
>not teaching your younger family members skills
>>75008456
thats why trump should lower taxes on small businesses to make up the difference.
the only problem is that kikes might start making an array of small businesses to take advantage.
>>75005758
Sweet, maybe they'll actually get the cheese ON the fish fillet now
>>75006667
They may or may not be able to compete with third-world labor costs, but they sure as hell still have to pay first-world living costs. Something has to give. I am an automator, but I don't want to end up pitchforked someday. Anyway the anxiety and stress of having no job security for most of the labor force is starting to negatively affect society.
>>75008504
sums up my thoughts exactly.
>>75008540
This is the first wooden spoon I carved on a camping trip using only a Mora knife.
>>75008006
>All the sandwiches were built by hand.
>built
what a mammoth task, how long did it take you to get certified?
>>75008765
beautiful, sell them at farmers markets
>>75008511
Conservatives will just blame the liberals for the wage hike while the libs will claimed that it was the ebil corporations' fault. Meanwhile both groups will continue reciving money from these industries and everything will stay the same for them.
>>75007733
It's nowhere near the threshhold where a 35k robot to make burgers would be viable though. At that price point they'ld be viable against sub 5 dollar minimum wages.
We can't outsourcing burger flipping and human resources that demand basic standards of living and working conditions are gutter trash for menial labor compared to robots.
>>75008765
Nice. Reminds me of the one my parents used to beat my ass with
>>75007984
Yup. And the globalist are doing everything they can to make it as easy as possible to move their money around to take advantage of that labor.
>>75005758
robots > immigrants
I for one welcome my new robotic bulls.
So what jobs will be automated in the next 5-10 years?
>>75008670
Did you know that mainstream bioweapon authority Francis Boyle, author of the current US treaty on biological warfare, believes that Zika was engineered?
I wonder what they'll do with all those "useless eaters."
>>75006630
Kek I thought I was the only one that did this. The blank stare you receive is priceless
>>75008670
This.
The shit about low skill workers wanting all the luxuries for none of the effort is a total jewish meme. People talk about why there are so many westerners who aren't having families and tanking our birth rates is because we have a generation of people of which most are basically going to be stuck in service/retail sector jobs with no real prospect of advancement.
> we could have had a paradise where all basic tasks are automated, our population is small enough so everyone can receive livable welfare but instead we let in countless niggers to exploit our welfare system and dumb down the population
>>75008945
also this. i haven't looked into it enough to really argue from this perspective, but if there were less incentive for illegal immigration then more immigrants would be forced to return to their country and not bother returning.
these part-time no skill jobs are the only reason they bother coming here, isn't it? god knows a dollar is worth a hell of a lot more than a fucking peso, or whatever rocks they use for bargaining over the boarder.
>>75008841
5 minutes
It's just the word they used
>>75006630
>total is $17.17
>give them $20.25
>they get confused about why you gave them the quarter
>people freaking out about fast workers losing their jobs
>People not freaking out about truck drivers being BTFO
>there are 4 times as many truck drivers as there are fast food workers
>>75009092
The best is, let's say your total is $11.24. Give them $21.24. They usually had me back the $1.24 and say "oh you gave me too much money"
>>75007405
sweet doom mod
>>75009020
Any driving jobs.
Imagine truckers that don't have to sleep.
>>75006635
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>>75008290
>They won't be able to afford the land or the tools used to farm it
They don't buy land.
We are imagining a chaos scenario here, where people simply realize that life in the system is completely impossible, in the sense that they don't know what to do to adapt in the city.
Then they unite and create a completely independent society, where they produce what they consume. They don't interact with the 'city caste'. They don't use technology, nothing.Just people living off the land like our forebears did for thousands of years.
The world becomes divided in two. People living in the city and people living isolated between themselves. A 'city caste' and a 'rural caste'
>>75009295
people get stuck behind trucks in traffic and blame drivers instead of physics, meanwhile fast food workers provide them their daily burger.
>>75007121
This
I worked McDonald's when I was 16, like you are supposed too. Why now all of a sudden flipping burgers is a valid career choice baffles me
Large scale automation needs to be followed by a basic income welfare system.
You have to substitute those jobs with something.
Oh if only shitskins didn't exist.
Here's the natural progression of our species:
>things become automated
>less people work menial jobs
>as prosperity increases people have less kids
>population starts to level out
>most mundane work is automated now
>welfare system gives people who don't work a wage
>eventually the population levels out entirely and all labor is automated, humans are free to pursue hobbies and passions
>utopian society of leisure with no population problems
How things actually happened:
>instead of automating labor is outsourced to the 3rd world
>instead of the population leveling out the 3rd world is imported en masse to inflate the birth rate
>no need for robots when shitskins will work for pennies
>social welfare systems collapse through the strain
We already reached a point in countries like Switzerland and Canada where basic income was actually being discussed as a viable project and the White birth rates around the world are leveling out and becoming stable and sustainable.
Instead of making that necessary social change to a welfare system propped up by automation we're drowning in the 3rd world.
>>75007434
Because automation is being used to replace people instead of make them more effective. Also because far more has been automated at this point. The remaining jobs involve coordinating the the activities of the machines, which is often quite complicated -- many people are not intelligent enough to do it or lack the years of education and experience required by employers for it in any given tiny niche sector.
>>75009295
Yeah, as soon as the whole driverless car thing started, trucker started shitting themselves - and rightfully so.
Not only truckers, but train conductors and pilots as well.
>>75009073
>ZERO sources except infowars tinfoil hat schizophrenic paranoia garbage
neck yourself
>>75005758
>The McDouble will be back down to $1 in our lifetime.
The most telling indicator of Obama's economic failure is that the burgers went from $1 to $2.59.
>>75009478
>yfw all the cars are linked via wireless connection and traffic jams never happen again
>>75009126
It's the middle class who is not breeding mostly
Low iq trash of all races breeds profusely
>>75005758
Need to boycott McDonalds. Capitalism is turning every first world country into a multicultural third world country
>>75007051
>the bad thing thats going to happen is that the companies get away with it ... they should pay higher taxes if they automate all their employees away
>what are the people going to do?
You get a job fixing the machines.
You get a job installing the machines.
You get a job maintaining the machines.
You get a job designing the machines.
You get a job developing the machines.
And you get paid more to do it, all while working easier.
>>75009524
>Because automation is being used to replace people instead of make them more effective.
You really think this is the first time a job has been "replaced" by automation?
>>75009624
>traffic jams never happen
i'll believe it when i fucking see it! holy hell, i love driving my car, but i don't think anything stresses me out more than traffic. especially after i quit smoking cigarettes.
>>75005758
Always pros and cons for making decisions like this. If they are smart, they will move slowly and phase it in while learning the real costs and its impact on sales.
Unfortunately, I don't see this savings being passed onto the customer, so they'll have to deal with the new wave of local competition when their food gets passed off as "artificial".
>>75009676
yea but that requires people to be educated which is too much effort for your average burger flipper
>>75009505
>followed by a basic income welfare system.
it doesnt, good try shekelstein.
worst case scenario for these people is they start doing shit robots can do like general manufacturing that china does.
>>75007463
Japan is overrun by NEETs, who were created by the same challenges that we have: mass automation and a suppression of aggregate demand due to high wealth disparities and thus limited consumer spending. Japan has fewer problems because it has a more culturally homogenous and work-oriented society and because it lacks the large low-IQ subsets of the population present in the U.S. It will likely turn out worse here.
I Would much rather have robots make my food than shitty teens and ex cons. This can't come soon enough.
>>75009729
It's the first time that jobs in the base of the pyramid are being replaced.
We are talking about millions of people here, not an isolated sector, several sectors at once.
>>75009546
Oh young one it goes much MUCH deeper than that.
First truckers/couriers
Next Insurance companies are no longer need
Next no longer need traffic cops
Next no longer need local car repair places cars will drive themselve to the factory to be repaired
Next cars will no longer be owned by anyone but a group of people will share a few cars and call the car up when you need a ride
Next mass transit becomes useless since you have a car anytime you need one
Next I fap to the tears of the mass unemployed
>>75009624
>traffic jams never happen again
tell that to my road network in cities:skyline even with the cheat mode AI
Daily reminder SJW's will use arguments seen in the 1800's by the luddites.
>dem machines takin our jobs
>>75008196
>besides, everyone who doesn't have a job can just enlist.
Except the military isn't that large. Technological advancement has done away with the need for large numbers of bodies in the military.
>>75008196
>but a lot can be solved by making abortion mandatory and reducing the population size.
Congratulations idiot. You just destroyed your country.
Automation is not and has never been compatible with the modern system. It requires pure libertarianism with NO form of social security or it requires a strong national socialist government that takes the proceeds of those machines and uses it to support the people.
Aborting a lot of people will only accelerate the decline of the West. We live in a social security ponzi scheme that can only be funded by ever expanding future generations. Why do you think governments are so obsessed with third world immigration? Because they're deluded enough to think the chimps will work and fund the ponzi scheme.
So you have three choices. Become pure libertarian and let millions of people starve to death when their jobs become redundant. Become a fascist and use automation to provide first world living standards to the people of the nation. Or just stick your thumbs in your ears until the system collapses.
>>75006219
and what? You prefer entropy? Please kill yourself on this and every subsequent repetition of reality.
>>75009126
College isn't for everyone, not everyone is smart.
>>75006130
>dude why don't we just make robots do everything man wouldn't that be awesome
>>75010063
sjws dont have jobs.
they just want free shit so they dont have to work.
meanwhile they want more illegals to work shit jobs so that they pay taxes for their shit.
they want the top and bottom classes to pay for their shit right in the middle.
>>75010009
The cars are made to be inefficient by not working together.
With AI driven cars the cars can all be driven by the same AI unit and controlled so they can drive 1 foot from each other at 95 mph
>>75009884
But if you have a society where EVERYTHING is automated and there are no more manual labor jobs, what do you do with that huge subset of the population who now just has no place in society and can't eat?
If you want to transition to automation you MUST have a basic income welfare system, or those millions of factory workers and bus drivers and farmers will just destroy everything.
And they would be right to do that if you eliminated their jobs and provided no alternative.
Or do you think everyone should be hilariously overqualified and work in invented managerial positions?
>>75005758
Do it, burger fags.
It's not as easy as they claim.
>muh $35,000 robot arm
Still has to be cleaned on an hourly basis
Still has to be maintained every day
If it breaks down it has to be replaced until original is repaired.
Has to be fed materials.
Run be a computer that fucks up.
Cannot think creatively and retrace after a fuckup in making an order
Cannot also cleanup the work area after its shift.
Fucking bullshit scare tactics.
>>75007645
What happens when increasingly sophisticated AI makes many skills redundant all at once, and limits demand to only the most advanced and complex versions of those skills? Tax preparation (automated unless you need complicated business tax planning), truck driving (about to be automated unless you are driving unusual specialty equipment), secretarial work (automated away by Google unless you are a high-end executive who wants the best possible service and hires an assistant to use such tools), etc. Or a protected profession like medical specialists (AMA cartel limits the number of them intentionally). Jobs will increasingly be treated as rare entitlements earned by knowing the right people-- many of the best jobs already are.
good, one step closer to basic income
>>75010280
Everything becomes so cheap its basically free
The only limit is energy at that point and if they figure out fussion all problems will be solved.
Factories will build other factories to build robots that build the first factories
20-35 years time
>>75009884
This go- I mean guy gets it.
Society should have no form of basic income. These fucking leeches need to learn to work. And if there is no work, they need to work for less. And if that doesn't work, they should just starve to death and die. Life is about making money for yourself and putting money in the pockets of those smart enough to build their own companies.
This is where your grandchildren will live.
>>75010280
>But if you have a society where EVERYTHING is automated
wont happen for centuries.
theres still random shit to do like picking up trash, cleaning rivers, cleaning the ocean, cleaning the machines, cleaning offices, cleaning buildings, cleaning your fucking home, manufacturing new designs from random kikestarter projects, website design, interface design, advertisement design, literally millions of things robots wont be able to do for a long time.
there's also something people have forgotten about and thats the money involved in developing a country OTHER than the US. the money will be in places like mexico, china, india to develop their countries as well.
labor will continue to move to where its needed basically.
>>75010486
sounds pretty fair to me
>>75010207
Yeah. Then a deer walks onto the parkway and everyone in that gay robot car train rear ends each other when the lead car spirals out of control.
>>75010486
what a elitist poofta. go on redd1t plz
>>75009897
i get the whole NEET problem, but how do you solve that? because all i see is the eventuality of either: basic income, having NEETs and dealing with it, or not advancing technology that can easily advance.
anyway, Japan is a different beast entirely. their population to landmass compared to us is so extreme and different. while it may seem weird mentioning that, population density plays very much into this conversation.
then again, Japan didn't seem to have such a huge service industry as we do right now. they've even managed to hold onto a lot of manufacturing jobs for a first world nation like theirs.
>>75010454
Doesn't matter how cheap things are if these people can't earn any money because they're unemployed and you won't give them welfare.
>>75010207
>The cars are made to be inefficient by not working together.
that's why I specified cheater mode AI, where you mod it so they work together. There are still basic and inescapable limits on volume.
>>75010486
>These fucking leeches need to learn to work. And if there is no work,
>if there is no work
almost had it but good try.
its no surprise all the kikes are pushing basic income aka communism lite.
>>75006492
That's it, innit?
>>75010368
It wont be robots walking around...
Think of a vending machine on crack or... on wheels
Imagine a pizza van that contains everything including a oven to cook the pizza. You order a pizza on the website and it starts making the pizza inside the vans and is cooking while driving to your house. You walk outside and it spits out a pizza.
All the labour that would be need in the short term is someone to load the raw materials into the van in the morning. Shit like flour water cheese ect
>>75006130
> i don't understand why the whole "automation" thing is a bad thing. there used to be a time when more automation was good, a sign of success, both technologically and financially.
This doesn't increase automation the way you think it does. It just diverts valuable resources (engineers, time, capital, etc) into automating an artificially expensive task rather than more meaningful ones that are genuinely expensive.
Imagine you have a bunch of tasks that can be automated with similar effort. Which do you automate first? Obviously the most expensive one.
Now imagine the state comes in and picks one of those tasks at random and says this task now costs X dollars more. That task now moves up in the line even though it is not as important as the tasks it is skipping.
Prices are the market signals that we use to determine where we should allocate resources. Minimum wages distort these signals and result in a mis-allocation of resources, making us worse off as a result.
The only reason that this hasn't already happened is because the elite enjoy modern day slavery in the form of the wageslave, or hourly employee.
It's all a huge Rothschild, Carnegie, Rockefeller conspiracy.
>>75009866
You don't need an education to serve coffee or clean the rooms where the people that fix/install/maintain/design/develop the machines work.
>>75005758
i am ok with that.
its wrong to think we need work.
work needs to be done thats all.
but there should be a gigantic tax per month for that robots to pay the unemployed
Good. When are lawyers going to get automated? I'm tired of paying $150 or more every time I need to challenge a speeding ticket.
>>75010368
>Still has to be cleaned on an hourly basis
One or two highscool pizza-faces with a rag and some cleaning spray
>Still has to be maintained every day
They already have a technician or two on call to fix all the other machines in the store
>If it breaks down it has to be replaced until original is repaired.
See on-call technicians, as well as the fact that these things would probably use replaceable and modular parts.
>Has to be fed materials.
SO DO NORMAL WORKERS, YOU IDIOT.
There are these things called hoppers, that can all be serviced by the same two greasy kids that are keeping the damn things clean and unclogged
>Run be a computer that fucks up.
Computers don't "fuck up" if the company that manufactures and programs these machines is even half-way competent.
>Cannot think creatively and retrace after a fuckup in making an order
Again, they don't fuck up, any error would be on part of cashier/data-entry dude, or the customer themselves if they use an automated cashier
>Cannot also cleanup the work area after its shift.
Why would is spill shit in the first place? In any case, refer back to the two kids that are cleaning and stocking the machines.
>>75010570
Unless the people say no. There's still more of them, and if they have sufficient force to say that society will not work that way, and can enforce their choice, then that will be the fact.
Whomever can enforce their vision of the future is correct, ipso facto.
>>75010664
Yes but currently humans are the reason why traffic jams happen not because of volume.
Shitty reaction times + lane swapping + people slowing down to look at shit = traffic jam
>>75010775
>Just poking at it with the iron
Where's her solder? Fake as shit.
>STILL NEED PEOPLE TO LOAD THE MACHINES
>STILL NEED PEOPLE TO CLEAN THE MACHINES
>STILL NEED PEOPLE TO BUILT THE MACHINES
>STILL NEED PEOPLE TO ENGINEER THE MACHINES
>STILL NEED PEOPLE TO SERVICE THE MACHINES
>STILL NEED PEOPLE TO TRANSPORT FOOD
>STILL NEED PEOPLE IN THE STORE UNLESS THEY REPLACE THEIR WHOLE FLEET BY MCDONALD VENDING MACHINES
>NEED MAINTENANCE WORKERS
>NEED CUSTOMER SERVICE WORKERS
>IMPLYING OLD FARTS KNOW HOW TO USE A FUCKING SCREEN
>IMPLYING THEY CAN AUTOMATIZE THE WHOLE RESTAURANT
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH MCDICKS JUST TRYING TO SCARE PEOPLE
worst case, mcdonald fires the shitty 2$/hour jobs and at the same time loses a shit ton of customers. All it does is put those people on full welfare instead of partly on welfare. Bump the fucking minimum wage, it hasn't caught up to inflation. Not the 15$/h bullshit. 10.50$/h is good enough, McDonalds can afford it in other countries, they sure as hell can afford it in burgerland,
>>75010817
stop speeding?
>>75010925
She is also hold the metal part is which is white hot
>>75010925
missing solder isn't even whats wrong with the pic dipshit
>>75007102
the automation of the industrial age wasn't as advance as this. horses riders lost their trade but new, similar trades took its place they could easily move into.
trades where lost, but 5+ other trades took its place that people could flee to.
>http://www.techinsider.io/high-salary-jobs-will-be-automated-2016-3
>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/white-house-robot-workers_us_56cdd89ce4b0928f5a6de955
>http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-robots-are-coming-for-jobs-that-pay-20-an-hour-or-less-white-house-finds-2016-02-22
>http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-wright-robots-jobs-data-mining-20160328-story.html
as we all know, not everyone can be a engineer, a chemist, little einsteins.
the whole point of this level of automation is to truly replace human workers. in all fields.
right now? currently we don't have enough decent paying jobs for college grads. if everyone ditched liberal arts for useful trades such as engineering, bio, and such there still wouldn't be enough jobs for all those grads. the universe of high paying jobs are low.
this level of automation will not only effect "minimum wage" but also higher paying jobs. unlike the industrial age people don't have many options to flee to. this new automation isn't creating many new jobs for humans as a by product. yes new jobs will be created, but the kind created won't require the shear amount of available work force.
then more people heading off to college for degrees in engineering and such.
you don't need 1 million maintainers. you don't need 2 million engineers. you don't need 2 million plumbers. with everyone and their mother trying to get into these fields we will see wages decreases due to the huge supply and little demand.
even if we reduce population there still wouldn't be enough decent paying jobs for the population once automation is in full swing.
a living wage will be a must.
>>75010724
No its because cheap computers and new manufacturing process is why its happening not and not 10 years ago. Only recently have we had cheap small powerful chips that can run complex algorithms that are required to automation
>>75010864
>never worked in fast food or with machines
>>75005758
This is such a stupid, see-through lie.
Oh no, there will be surplus labor on the market? Jee-golly, how ever will the economy endure?
Oh right: this is the USA. The most entrepreneurial nation in the history of planet Earth.
Replace all the fast food jobs with machines. Fuckin' go for it. Sure: it'll cause a bump in the road. But there are plenty of people will find ways to make money off the labor of someone earning $15/hour. Americans really can get that done.
>>75011012
>>75010925
nope you both missed it.
she never even plugged it in if its not burning her
>>75011101
>im fucking plying
Two years at mcdicks in highschool, you're move, faggot.
>>75011068
>even if we reduce population there still wouldn't be enough decent paying jobs for the population once automation is in full swing.
So what everyone else end up doing? Space exploration? Community service?
>>75010640
Welfare will be part of the process
I suspect a massive increase in taxation on companies that automate a large part of their workforce.
Tap water is so cheap now its basically free this is because of automation. People used to have to haul water around but we built a system of pipes that does all the work
Same concept only reason water costs anything atm is because the cost to maintain the system and retard alert green fags pushing taxes on everything
>>75010486
t. white suburban kid
>>75010099
well, as i said in the second post you quoted, i don't think we have the same population problem that China had, or anything near it. i was just pointing out that, giving a huge population that is largely uneducated and without skills (worst case scenario), mandatory population controls have worked.
i'm not gonna get into some argument about saving the white race though. i don't see how it's related, and there's a million threads every day about that boring topic.
also, your military might not be that large, but ours certainly are. and even with drones, you need people to design them, build them, maintain them (in field mind you), people to operate them, people to build the computers to do that operating, people to maintain that. well, you probably get my point.
you think automation kills jobs, but it only kills useless jobs, all the while creating a large web of other jobs, usually in manufacturing, operating, and blue-collar work in maintaining them.
i do think some thing need to change, like our lack of national manufacturing jobs and the fact that less people go to trade schools for technical degrees. but i have some hope that tides are changing on those fronts.
>>75010170
>implying it ISN'T awesome.
do you fucking solves incredibly complicated math problems with a calculator or an abacus? Jesus fucking Christ, go back to 1600 you peasant. robots/machines doing menial work is ABSOLUTELY awesome.
damn, never thought i'd sound excited over fucking calculators.
>>75010565
Almost half of unskilled jobs will be gone within 20 years
>Cooperations and all across the board spend $100,000s on robots to replace workers
>Congress bans automation
>All franchisee owners become butthurt and in denbt
Word
>>75010368
>half dozen or more workers per shift
>now replaced roboburger v1 and whichever pedro you had cleaning during that shift before
>b-but a handful of jobs in IT will be created to do programming for the million machines replacing several million jobs!
I like automation but you're still retarded. There's no room to spin this as a net gain in jobs available.
>>75011263
Ideally, everyone would be doing what they wanted to do, with the only "real" jobs being those in acedemia, technology, and so on and so forth.
The general idea is that the prosperity caused by full automation, coupled with a stable population, would allow for sustainable universal basic income for everyone that doesn't want to work, allowing for them to still participate in the economy, albeit for leisure and luxury.
>>75011340
It's a good thing that all developed nations have decided to import millions of unskilled brown people to work those jobs in the interim though. I mean can you imaging what would happen if we hadn't?
>>75010992
have you ever seen a self checkout?
8 self check outs. only one to two humans max needed to operate and manage them.
8 self checkouts that fired 6 - 7 cashiers.
you don't need many humans to preform any of those tasks. more jobs will be lost than created by this new form of automation.
also automation is already taking over the >STILL NEED PEOPLE TO TRANSPORT FOOD
>https://medium.com/basic-income/self-driving-trucks-are-going-to-hit-us-like-a-human-driven-truck-b8507d9c5961#.i00vs9yl0
>http://www.wsj.com/articles/truckers-gain-an-automated-assist-1438939801
>http://techcrunch.com/2016/04/25/the-driverless-truck-is-coming-and-its-going-to-automate-millions-of-jobs/
>http://www.informationweek.com/mobile/mobile-business/first-automated-truck-licensed-to-operate-on-public-roads/d/d-id/1320311
>>75005758
Rise of the machines !!!
>>75011340
Like what?
>>75010992
>IMPLYING THEY CAN AUTOMATIZE THE WHOLE RESTAURANT
Its been around for 5 years now automated restaurants will be called... suprize vending machines
>>75011263
this
>>75011433
essentially a star trek type society.
>>75011438
They don't really work in unskilled jobs over here. Eastern Euros and younger people do. Browns are mostly on welfare
>>75008456
One major effect of automation is that many businesses begin to benefit even more from economies of scale. This means prices are increasingly set by the largest most efficient firms, and at some point it becomes extremely difficult or impossible to break even below a certain size of business. Then starting it ends up requiring tens of millions in VC money and therefore very strong connections in the VC community. And most of the population gets shut out entirely and forced to sell labor to the owners instead. This is called late capitalism for a reason. Eventually the corporations acquire such systemic importance that they increasingly fuse with the state-- we are observing this even now.
WE HAVE THE ISSUE OF OVERPOPULATION ON THIS EARTH. WE MUST FIND A WAY TO REDUCE THE WORLD POPULATION.
Carls Jr. Fuck you! I'm eating.
>>75011438
They want the white middle class and the white working class exterminated. I honestly think thats why they are doing it. Shitskins and robots are two fronts of the same war.
>>75010170
lets say ALL jobs are taken by robots
however they're just single jobs (So a burger making robot wont be able to cook you a steak or drive a bus)
Humans wont be employed so what happens to money, goods, value
robot farms the shit
robot transports it
robot makes it
robot gives it to human
but will human need to pay>
they only was this system could work is eliminating greed, aka a card / id of sort meaning everything having a value and everyones entitles to the same amount, but u can change and save up this exchange thing just like cash, only you dont work for it, time gives it you.
>>75010992
Canada strikes again!
>>75011586
>And most of the population gets shut out entirely and forced to sell labor to the owners instead.
That's actually called "proletarianization" and it's a marxist concept.
>>75011586
This; there is functionally little difference between sufficiently advanced capitalism, and sufficiently advanced socialism; just replace "dollars" with "resource credits" or "citizen's labor vouchers" or some other.
>>75011576
Can a utopian society ever exist while we still have niggers living in the population?
How do you end violence?
How do you end greed?
How do you end prejudice?
How do you end illiteracy?
How do you end ebonics? (okay, I know the answer to this one)
>>75011012
>>75011015
>>75011151
My bad, the not accomplishing anything part made me overlook the way she was holding it.
It's like seeing a guy take an oxyacetylene torch to metal with an orange flame.
>>75011604
Its already happening
We are in a great extinction event right now. My guess is some arab country is going to create a super bug that fucks everyone up and clear 80% of the worlds population
Guessing the Happening will happen 25-40 years from now
My country got rid of unskilled manufacturing in the 1980s. Now Northern England is destitute. LMAO @ people saying that this won't fuck up your country.
>>75011513
Service industry and travel, logistics and transport, garbage pick up
There are a bunch of articles about industry 4.0, these are just off the top of my head
>>75008540
>family member skills
Like teaching him how to fuck his own mum?
So you're saying my burger won't be crushed?
>>75009020
>So what jobs will be automated in the next 5-10 years?
The manufacturing jobs Trump promises to bring back
>>75011398
Then they should quit stalling and do it.
Truth is, it's still a bargaining chip.
Can robots spit in your food?
>>75011831
>your country
More like your whole planet desu senpai
>>75009319
Even better is that modern cash registers are retard proof. You enter the amount given and it will hold your hand and tell you how much change to give. Some of the newer models will put up images of the bills and coins to return to the customer, because the designer knows a pavement ape is running the damn thing.
does anyone even need to work if robots did everything for us?
>>75007307
Have you ever spent more than a couple weeks unemployed and out of school? It's fucking mind-numbing.
>>75011398
obviously the new jobs are gonna be created elsewhere.
>farming machines replace millions of farmers
> just some thousand work in building these farming machines
>but those millions of farmers find other jobs that didn't exist before
whats the difference?
>>75011530
Then it's not a mcdonalds anymore. I already gag every time I step in a mcdonalds for a soft drink, but the idea of ordering that shitty food from a vending machine is just beyond disgusting.
>>75011977
Did the same thing happen in the USA? See that was just manufacturing, now they want to take away service jobs too. The unskilled will be pushed into a corner until a revolt breaks out.
>>75011340
Is sex an unskilled job? I mean the one just lying down taking it.
>>75012021
i have and its fun if you have interests outside of working or studying. think outside that box and you're set.
>>75012021
Only because you are restricted on what activities you can participate in due to money - that includes bills, etc.
You wouldn't need to worry about that and you could literally do whatever you wanted to do when you wanted to do it.
Unqualified workers should be genocided
>>75011073
>Only recently have we had cheap small powerful chips that can run complex algorithms that are required to automation
and yet they still dont compete with 50 cent an hour chinks.
its going to be centuries before we can compete with humans, they're basically advanced androids when you have them as slaves.
>>75011997
Art and other gay shit like that will still be a thing
People buy hand made overpriced shit right now and that will always be a thing
But for the vast majority not really Maybe some service type jobs but not many.
Entire healthcare field will be automated
Entire food chain
Entire goods manufacturing
Entire energy sector
Entire law system
>>75012138
In the town I grew up in they got rid of all manufacturing jobs after NAFTA, although it was in decline since the 80's.
Population plummeted and now it's a mexican infested shithole.
>>75005758
If I ever eat fast food again, I'd much rather have a robot make my meal than some dirty schlub from God knows where.
Currently in a tractor that drives itself planting chick peas. Getting $25 an hour.
>>75011530
>ordering pizza from a vending machine
>There are people out there who invested actual, real world currency to make this a reality
As a recovering fatass, this is repulsive
>>75006130
There is a substantial economic fear that there won't be jobs to take its place.
There will not be as many jobs created by this machine designed to eliminate jobs. The creative industry is already bloated.
The overreaction to minimum wage jobs becoming automated is just another layer of vast ignorance on display by the uneducated and lazy dregs of society. If you're scared a robot will take your job your priorities are fucked up. The dumbest people I know are the ones who do this menial work and the even dumber are ones are those stuck in factories doing assembly line tasks. It takes a lot of effort, or a complete lack of it, to be stuck doing that shit. Yet somehow those same morons delude themselves in to a false sense of security since they work for "big car company x" not realizing the plant can be shut down at any time.
>>75008497
Capitalism involves the capitalist uniting the factors of production (land, labor, and capital) to produce goods and services for customers. Capital is becoming much more important than labor. Low labor prices reflect that reality. I agree that "creating jobs" is not inherent to capitalism. The problem is that "customers" are not either, by population share at least. A pure capitalist system does not care if 99.9% of the population is marginalized out of the economy due to having little to nothing of value to sell -- the remaining owners-of-things will merely sell goods and services to each other and ignore everyone else. This is a societal problem because it causes people to stop having children and at some point start rioting. It also slows down economic growth because the lack of consumer spending reduces aggregate demand, causing overcapacity and potentially debt-deflationary spirals if it gets bad enough (e.g. the Great Depression). The cure is nationally-focused socialistic policies like FDR's New Deal and World War II. It may actually be the only cure, short of mass murder and eugenic replacement, or effectively economic slavery for the vast majority of the population. If you don't believe me, consider how limited the participation of e.g. Africa is in the global economy. I don't want large proportions of Americans to become analogous to that while my top-5 university friends and I ride off into the sunset automating until no one buys anything anymore.
>>75008196
>but a lot can be solved by making abortion mandatory and reducing the population size
Jesus Fucking Christ.
Isn't like, the whole liberal dogma, "her body, her choice?"
Have we gone from now ring wing factions saying people can't get abortions, to leftists demanding them?
>>75012087
What? It will produce food the exact same quality as a normal mcdonalds
>>75006130
Business should be business. The free market should decide what is and isn't the future. I'm not full Austrian and don't even consider myself libertarian. But you can't be making these predictions from your position. If automation is progress, it won't be more expensive than the next best thing.
>>75012428
Skilled labor will be next. You think a computer cannot be programmed to diagnose ill patients or research case law? Eventually no one will be safe. Not even fucking programmers.
>>75011380
Implying Congress is not bought and paid for by elite financial interests.
Implying the administration will not unleash robot, cyborg soldiers on the unwashed masses rioting because the only want an extra helping of Soylent Green with dinner.
>>75012138
see detroit, many parts of ohio and pennsylvania.
shit even southern california. a good portion of those factory jobs turned into warehouses but even those positions are being replaced by automation.
>>75011831
i think everyone here would agree that exporting manufacturing to third world shitholes is a problem. but it's a problem that has much more to do with trade deals than automation.
Germany, for instance, as cucked as it has become, has done very well when it comes to manufacturing and selling their products on a global market. i hear more about "German engineering" these days whereas i used to hear "built American."
same thing is happening here tho. hard to fight against it when both parties are for trade deals.
it seems sort of related to the thread, since manufacturing is exported due to cheap slave labor in other countries without citizen rights. but the service industry can't be exported as easily as manufacturing.
>>75012021
What is summer vacation?
>>75012138
Correct. The US transitioned from a manufacturing based economy to a service based economy. Of all the things people blame the "wage gap" and "eroding middle class" on, that transition was the overall cause.
>>75011484
That example is probably the worst example you could of came up with. The jobs haven't been replaced by robots, all they did is remove the cashier, and showed the middle finger to the customers by outsourcing the job, not to a robot, but the customer itself. You think the cashiers are gone? Nope, the cashier is the customer. They literally reduced the quality of their services by putting up self checkouts. If you were to apply your example to a mcdonalds, it would be the equivalent of removing the cooks and moving the grills in the store, and let them customers cook the burger themselves.
>>75012138
>dindus riot natonwide
>day of the rope
>population levels controlled, society benefits
>won't fuck up my order
>won't spread disease all over my food
>won't spit on my food for whatever reason
Works for me senpai
>>75012675
Anybody who has dealt with 90s and 2000s VAG cars can tell you german engineering is a meme.
>>75005758
>it’s going to cause a job loss across this country
bye bye spics and nigs
>>75012191
We really need to start introducing incentives to cull low iq people breeding, all memes aside. People below a certain iq level will never be able to master a job that requires university tier education and will essentially exist to eat and shit in the future.
>>75012745
It's still automation, since the machine automatically gives change and takes money, as opposed to the customers having to make their own change like a cashier normally would.
>>75012822
>niggers
>having jobs
>>75009336
Automated trucking would be one of the first things to get banned considering how shit google's self-driving cars are
>LOL JUST REPLACE THE NIGGERS WITH WORKERS
That isn't going to work for really really painfully obvious reasons. Do you really think Jamal is just going to take getting replaced by a robot lying down? He isn't afraid of going to prison, plenty of his homies are there to keep him safe if he does.
>>75012497
not a leftist. i was really just pointing out that population control measure have been implemented en mass and have been successful. not to say that China didn't experience some bumps in the road from it (male population vs female, for instance.)
do you consider China to be leftists? if you view things so simply, you don't have much hope
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/magazine/the-robots-are-coming-for-wall-street.html?_r=1
Fuck.
>>75011530
>>75012087
i can see bums pissing into the opening and waiting to see who buys the next pizza. would not touch or eat anything coming out of this machine.
>>75012936
The niggers that do have jobs work in fast food, retail, and bottom-tier healthcare shit like nursing assistants, whom do little more than wipe asses and dress cripples.
And they do all of those things terribly until they quit or get fired.
>>75012821
lol, i was one of those people and it's absolutely true. i think that just shows that they're marketing tactics are very successful.
anyway, Germany manufactures way more in small electronics than they do in cars. cars is just the one everyone thinks of.
just look up who builds the parts to an iphone for a good idea of where the real manufacturing jobs are. spoiler: China has very little to do with advance manufacturing. all they bother themselves with is cheap steel and assembly jobs.
>>75007405
Woulda been funnier if her tits were out.
>>75005758
>>75011340
>>75011838
>>75012271
For the love of all that is precious. Are there any jobs that won't be affected? I'm not smart nor clever, I have accepted this. I do my absolute best in school and still am far from top grades, and I'm not a nigger so can't get a scholarship based on race.
>>75006686
This is what I think, my goal is to have a few acres of land near a forest. Farm some of it to sustain some crops with my family. Leave the rest to nature. Maybe have a chicken coup and a greenhouse as well.
>>75009336
>>75012961
Also you can tell just how retarded someone is if they think automated trucking is only 10 years away. People seem to think all it is is driving a bigger car on a straight road in perfect conditions.
>>75010864
>See on-call technicians, as well as the fact that these things would probably use replaceable and modular parts.
So you have to close the restaurant everytime something breaks so you can wait for a tech because a bun got jammed in the hopper and fucked up your machine. Factories that deal with food usually have maintenance onsite for exactly that reason.
>Why would is spill shit in the first place? In any case, refer back to the two kids that are cleaning and stocking the machines.
Jamal and Shanikwa are in the back room fucking around because they can get away with it, as long as shits stocked and clean at the end of their shift they don't give 2 fucks..
>>75008506
Try getting a job out of grad school. 5 years of "wtf is this super narrow irrelevant nonsense" unless you picked *exactly* the right sub-niche to focus on (and your thesis advisor, who has nearly absolute control of your work and working conditions, allowed you to do so...). Or 'we only hire from these 10 schools, in building our automated systems that the entire world uses all at once; they only need X people to maintain and improve'. And forget about going back into academia -- 700 applicants per tenure track position; you will end up as a near-minimum-wage adjunct lecturer because there is an oversupply of your kind and your entire field's knowledge is free on the Internet anyway. A PhD won't save you. Only connections and elite-university credentials and exactly the right subject area will give you a shot at that.
>>75012961
>Automated trucking
>Banned
what? googles cars have had zero issues and we already have self driving cars on the road
Mass trucker layoffs will happen within 10 years with widespread availability of trucks within 5 years
>>75012643
I thought Detroit was caused by niggers?
>>75005758
At least we can be sure the robots won't be spitting in our food or spreading hepititus. I say bring on the Mcbots.
>>75013134
FUCKKK
ngl anons, i thought i was immune. well, at least accounting is marketable and not a super-specific niche degree.
>>75013325
Healthcare won't be automated outside of nursing.
>>75008539
That better be accompanied by tariffs, then, or the companies in question will either leave the U.S. to survive or they will go bankrupt due to foreign competitors not subject to that rule.
>>75006130
I don't know any conservatives crying about this. Can't fight progress.
>>75013516
truckers unions lobby to change laws that would regulate them all the time. just like google lobbied to change the definition of a driver.
>>75013325
Being non-nigger you have the potential to achieve success. Pick a career that is in demand like engineering. Even average IQ people are employed as engineers when they can act the part.
>>75013325
Artists and actors
Maybe some high end chefs
Sex workers will be around for a long time
Sports players including E sports will be around for a long time maybe forever because of tribalism instinct
Cant think of too many more
>>75013637
Doctors will be automated
Health insurance will be automated(mostly already is)
What part of health wont be automated is a better question
>>75012745
>The jobs haven't been replaced by robots, all they did is remove the cashier
>remove the cashier
>jobs haven't been replaced by robots
>removed the HUMAN cashier by robots
but wait
>outsourcing the job, not to a robot, but the customer
the customer still uses a robot to check themselves out
the robot still weighs the bags to ensure proper sizes
robot still scans the food and creates a tally
the robot handles all transactions
sounds like a robot replaced the job of cashiers. all the customer does it bag their shit since the lack of courtesy clerks / bag boys.
>oh look more jobs lost
>trucks will make horse breeders out of bussiness
>cars will make horse transport out of bussiness
>washing machines will make manual washers out of bussiness
>television will make theathers out of bussiness
>printers will make printing media out of bussiness
>PC will make card pushers out of bussiness
>internet will make television out of bussiness
>mp3 will kill the music industry
>cellphones will kill the professional photography industry
>roombas will kill the maid and janitors industries
>automated burger flippers will kill the flipping burgers job
>>75011744
Yeah but Marx was talking about the move from farming to manufacturing....which actually improved workers lives.
>>75013859
>Doctors will be automated
not until we have androids that can pick your fat ass up and carry you in.
there's also a huge need for nurses to help your fat ass get up out of bed every day.
>>75008765
Robots can do them once every couple minutes. Your skill is worth almost nothing. Try again.
> Ok I'll become a synthetic chemist! I'm so smart, it will guarantee I get a job.
We are automating that right now with tree-search algorithms on massive databases of synthesis reactions. The algorithms even predict which new experimental syntheses to try next, to fill missing links. You know, like research chemists do currently.
>>75011824
>My guess is some arab country is going to create a super bug
If there are going to be a couple of billion more unemployed people in the next few decades, then getting rid of them will be a necessity for governments. They won't wait for some outbreak, they will actively kill off big chunks of the useless population via killer 'vaccines' or other bio-warfare efforts.
>>75013749
Its inevitable nothing they can do to stop it. If we dont automate we will be left behind in a global sense
I dont give a shit if jimmy fucking hoffa is running the union they will not stop the automation of OTR trucks
>>75013516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neFqatFxwnw
They've had lots of accidents, it's just google is a massive company with billions of dollars and most of the other cases didn't have video and got settled out of court. Later tech articles said it was all the drivers fault and people kept repeating it then that got turned into facts.
>truckers unions lobby to change laws that would regulate them all the time
They aren't very effective at it. There's tons of bullshit regulations now.
>>75012087
If that makes you gag, just wait til they start making the food in china, flash freezing it and shipping it back to the US and putting them in said vending machine restaurants.
>>75013409
>So you have to close the restaurant everytime something breaks so you can wait for a tech because a bun got jammed in the hopper and fucked up your machine. Factories that deal with food usually have maintenance onsite for exactly that reason.
M8, the drink machine got fucked up every three hours at my resturant and we worked around it. Regardless, it's all but guranteed that something which is going to totally replace an entire aspect of the restaurant will be both robust and redundant as needed.
>because they can get away with it
That's why you keep some low-tier manager on staff too;
One manager, two slavewagers to keep the machines going, and another slavewager (if the first two are actually too busy keeping the machines clean) to clean the lobby, if there even is one.
>>75010602
>How do you solve that?
It solves itself. They stay NEET, spend money and help the economy. But this has an effect: Drop in population.
Now in Japan it's not a problem, but in the West the goddamn Leftists think "less people? BRING IN MORE" and now we have fucking hordes of Africans and Arabs heading into the US, with no jobs that they can get and a government to leech.
>Minimum wage should raise with inflation
That's the whole goddamn problem to begin with. If you get the money for free it cheapens the value of the credit. EVERYTHING has consequences.
>>75008858
Likely correct in the short run. Politicians like Trump and Sanders make me believe this status quo is unlikely to persist. The parties need to be careful not to rig the elections too much -- elections are the release valve that has largely prevented violent insurrection in this country for most of its history. Though I suppose at some point they could just start deploying killbots to restore order instead -- already kind of happens to some degree.
>>75014025
But it will be played as an "accident" or blamed on some terrorist.
We are already drumming it up with all of this talk about people using too much antibiotics and shit becoming resistant to it
>>75005758
They use robots in every step of food processing and packaging. It is time they take the next step and get rid of the fat lazy diasgusting "servers" who can barely get your order right. I'll take a fembot at the drive up window anyday over a disgusting slug who hates their job.
>>75014025
there's 2 billion workers in third world nations working at 300USD a month.
there's another 2 billions workers waiting for those jobs working at 1-2 USD a day.
jesus christs why burgers think companies need to catter to them when there's 4 billion people waiting to work at 1/10 the price of a burger?
>>75014237
>Leftists think "less people? BRING IN MORE" and now we have fucking hordes of Africans and Arabs heading into the US, with no jobs that they can get and a government to leech.
I don't know about african and arab immigrants but mexicans get jobs in the US all the time.
>>75013484
I was not implying that our education system in the US is working. I think it's totally broken.
A return to apprenticeships would far more productive.
After getting a basic knowledge of say a k-12 education, at age 18, and even during that later years of that education, between the ages of 15 and 18, one should be able to experience jobs they are interested in.
This is literally what millennials are doing, only waiting until they are out of college with massive amounts of debt before hopping from job to job because they don't really know what they like, or what they are skilled at.
Most companies have horrible employee retention rates and are less likely to hire someone like this because they are a risk.
>>75014381
shit, shouldn't cite that guy.
>>75014381
Because the law doesn't allow them to. Unless they make everything in third world countries and ship the final product by plane or something.
>>75006130
They cry because their ancestors were too stupid to buy stocks a century ago.
>>75007059
you can get unemployment after being fired
>>75013937
but all of these things have happened to some extent...
>>75014022
There are still plenty of people that appreciate something that someone else took the time to create. Just fucking look at Etsy mate.
>Hate taxi drivers
>Try to run me off the road when I'm on my bike
>Refused to take me to the hospital when I was rolling around in pain from a bladder problem
>Got rude to me when I suggested a route to him
>Been spending most of my wages on a flying car prototype
>Fully automatic
>Dodges traffic
>The thought of their unemployed tears fuels every late night CAD session
Even if that doesn't catch on the Google cars will definitely fuck their arse. Fuck cab drivers, fuck them to hell.
>>75013859
>Doctors will be automated
"I have no idea of what I'm talking about" - you
>>75005758
Isn't this common knowledge by now?
>>75009020
Most of them that don't involve either controlling/servicing the machines or require some kind of 'human touch', or have too much variety at too low of cost to be practical to automate (e.g. janitors), or require advanced conceptual and language skills (e.g. law, but needs are becoming increasingly specialized since so much is free on the Internet, much like accounting).
Think in terms of barriers, "moats" in investment terms. What barrier protects a given job from automation? Because I guarantee that is how the companies doing the automation are looking at it, and they are sizing you up.
>Ctrl F "Mathusian Catastrophe"
>Phrase not found
Why am I not surprised?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusian_catastrophe
>>75014504
>>75014560
do you think there's a single product being assembled in america today?
hilarious level of delussion.
China literally has hundreds of poor farmers waiting to get those factory jobs.
not even counting bangladesh, india and africa.
you need a big reason to employ an american when you can hire 20 thirld worlders by less.
>>75012478
I'm not interested in how you define capitalism, I'm just saying how real life works.
>>75014725
t. shekelstein.
>>75014721
fuck off with that pseudoscience retard.
google the green revolution retard.
>>75012908
It really isn't automation, it's literally the same cash register that the cashier use, with the only difference being the change is dispensed automatically instead of having a drawer open and let a human count the change. In most cases the cashier will be more efficient at scanning and bagging, and give better customer service. If you look at the efficiency of such system, they literally took 8 cashiers, replaced them with 8 customers, and then added 2 extra workers to watch the 8 customers. Yes the company pays less worker, but overall it doesn't involve much automation or increases the efficiency. The point of automation is most importantly to increase efficiency and output. All it does is reduce the quality of service, which could possibly have an effect on sales too, without taking into account other problems such as easier way of stealing stuff, or making errors (especially when they enter fruits/vegetables code). It is just a way to cheap out. As far as im concerned, they could just put a calculator and a drawer where customers ring up their own shit (this of course assumes that the customer will be honest) and it would be the same thing. It is definitely not automation, it's just a cheap way of shifting the work from the employees to customers, which does not require automation at all, but a decline in customer service.
>raise minimum wage to 15
>replace waitresses with robots
>automation
yeah ok... or just make the customers move a bit and let them come and pick the order themselves. Literally no difference.No use for automation when it doesn't increase efficiency or output or any other significant benefits. By Mcdonalds own numbes, it would be more cost effective to automate all jobs right now at the current salary. Why aren't they doing it? Because its just a scare tactic to dissuade a wage increase
>>75014626
Even then, they're nepotistic assholes who keep bringing their poo in loo relatives over. I'm glad Uber is making them suffer.
>>75009427
All land is owned by someone. In the current legal system in most agriculturally-dominated U.S. states, I could simply shoot the squatters if they refused to leave. Your proposed solution fails.
>>75007984
Interesting because it's often said that the deep south and the Roman empire would have industrialised were it not for reliance on slave labour
>>75014626
>taking cabs
Uber is a thing, you know. For now, until the Taxi lobby legislates it away.
>>75014721
Which is why automation is contingent on a stable (or linear but sufficiently slow growth) population.
>>75014849
Or, perhaps consider the fact that cashiers and bagging is such an absolutely minimal and trivial amount of work already that having the customers scan and bag their own stuff is the best way to go about it?
>>75014725
cars are being assembled in america, just not as many, one of numerous examples
>>75014797
Enjoy your shitty globalization before it all comes crashing down.
>>75014917
Stop being nitpicky. I think the point is that if automation removes economic barriers due to distance there will ultimately be no reason for urban populations to exist as these barriers have created them in the past. Something will happen because that is not a sustainable situation.
>>75011586
Finally an intelligent response. This is already happening with supermarkets, petrol stations,, and now with Taxi industry (Uber is planning to replace all taxis with self driving cars that uber owns). My father lost his grocery business because supermarket down the street undercut his prices by more than 20 percent because of economics of scale. We are relying more and more on soulless corporations for our jobs and nations wealth. And corporations arent loyal to any nation unlike a family business or a mide size business. We are going to he slaves to the multinational corporations
They're probably cheaper then $1 an hour too, just after a bit more time.
Mcdicks started testing these in Calgary before the NDP (leftists) won, and the conservatives had a 40+ year lock on the province that absolutely nobody thought was going to change anytime soon least of all the minimum wage.
And yet Mcdicks was rolling them out anyways.
You should probably stop letting strangers turn you against fellow workers.
Or don't, I have mine, so whatever. Be cucked if you want.
>>75009546
Pilots and train conductors have regulation-protected and often union-protected jobs. Modern airliners are almost entirely automated already, as are modern trains -- that hasn't done much to the labor demand for them because of the regulations and unions, though there will continue to be a slow decline over time. It's the huge number of independent and non-union truck drivers who do genuinely have reason to be concerned.
>>75015087
>cherrypicking
>>75015149
>le globalization maymay
so it's 1980-90 again?
>>75013900
Read the whole comment.
>they removed the cashier
>replaced it by a free customer
The cashier's job (which is to scan and bag shit) hasn't been automated. The customer still has to scan and bag everything.
>>75015271
nations are an obsolete french revolution concept.
before that we had kings and lords, guess what will happen?
>>75009676
Far, far lower number of jobs. There may be enough capital to replace current production with automated systems, but there sure as hell isn't enough to build so many of them that the same level of employment is attained. We have excess capacity issues already. You know why? Because people can't afford to buy all the stuff we're already making. Replacing the workers with robots makes that problem even worse, but it's a tragedy of the commons -- the Nash equilibrium favors it so it will happen.
>>75015369
Having 1 person and a machine do all that is more automatic than having a total of 2 people do that.
Is an assembly line not automatic because there needs to be a technician there to keep it running?
>>75014917
I'm limited by my language skills.
In the hypothetical scenario I talk about, I'm implying an almost civil war scenario. Millions lost their jobs and millions can't get a job back.
Capitalism shrinks until it reaches a balance, but the thing is, is that non qualified workers are out of this balance.
What people did when industrialization started to affect the life of the farmers in the past centuries?
They moved to cities, to work there.
Now they are not needed there anymore, so a 'reverse renaissance' is born, they start to move back to rural life. People in order to survive unite and start taking land and living off it.Producing what they consume. Remember we are talking about an hypothetical civil war here, people are rioting, fighting both government and themselves.They don't care if someones owns it.Laws are almost nothing.
I would be glad if someone with native tongue privilege started an OP with this reverse renaissance theme
>>75015589
>this meme again
>he wants to return to a time where 80% of the jobs was farming your family farm
fuck off
>>75015601
That's not the same.
They really didn't automate anything. They literally just fired the cashier and made the customer do that job for free.
Automating it would be having a robot scan the items and put them in a sack for you.
>>75009729
Almost every single sector at once with nothing apparent to replace them. Yeah I think that is new.
Last time, the machines were a complement to the workers -- they produced more, prices fell, everyone could afford extra pairs of socks, or a car for the first time. This time we're just replacing them entirely with machines. Whole factory run by 5 guys with MechE degrees, 8 technicians on staff, and an outsourced technician company employing former-3rd-worlders.
>>75015601
What are you talking about?
>There is one machine (the scanner) and one cashier (scanning the items)
>There is one machine (the scanner) and one customer (scanning the item). On top of that, the scanner is then plugged into a computer that is then monitored by another cashier. Doesn't seem like a lot of automation to me.
>>75015826
luddite pls, it's obvious there will be a basic income if only to give people to being able to eat.
most of the hard work to sustain society will be done by machines.
do you even read some economists talking about post scarcity shit?
>>75016009
>luddite pls, it's obvious there will be a basic income if only to give people to being able to eat.
>basic income
>>75015826
I would add how much we depend off society to live.If most of us lose a job we literally will starve.
>>75009809
The only reason to pass on savings is when competition forces you to do it. There is not enough competition anymore since the companies simply merge with each other instead, and only the biggest have the economies of scale necessary to produce the best goods at the lowest costs. Every sector becomes an oligopoly. We're just watching economic forces play out; it is mathematics in action; this progression is inevitable and the only useful question is what to do about it.
>>75016009
>do you even read some economists talking about post scarcity shit?
no.
Suggest please.
>>75016009
>most of the hard work to sustain society will be done by machines
So, most of Society just earns money to eat?
>>75006130
I'm of this mind as well. We could even hit post scarcity in our lifetimes the way things are looking.
Let's assume for a moment that were talking about a 24/7/36X and has 10 total employees during the day shift and 2 during the night. These employees are being paid 15$ an hour to work there. For those twelve employees, it rounds out about at 950,000$ to pay their wages for that year. This doesn't include overtime pay on the holidays, any possible worker's compensation, etc. Not to mention, supervisors and managers would want a high pay rate as result.
One automated machine could produce fewer errors and have a higher efficiency than that of the average worker. Regular maintenance and someone behind the scenes is all that is needed to run the show.
Automation is far more efficient, cheaper, and reliable than potentially paying whiny, irresponsible teenagers to flip patties for 15$/hr.
On another note, there are tax breaks for depreciation of machinery.
>>75010099
I suggest the nationalist and socialistic option, personally.
>>75016157
you can't sustain social order if all the work can be done by just the 5% of earth population.
how are u gonna even make them to eat?
>>75016324
look up santiago niño becerra, he explains how we are transitioning from capitalism to a new economic model.
http://trumanfactor.com/2012/nino-becerra-interview-8319.html
dunno if you can find translations to portugese or english, he's a spaniard economist.
>>75016759
>http://trumanfactor.com/2012/nino-becerra-interview-8319.html
Fine, I'll look him up
>>75016759
>you can't sustain social order if all the work can be done by just the 5% of earth population.
wont happen, there will be loads of shit to do still.
Automation will only affect retarded niggers that can't save money if their life depended on it.
Personally, i can already live 7 months for every month i work.
As automation become more prevalent, this ratio will keep changing in my favour.
I can actually live 200 years on my savings alone right now, the only reason i keep working is that i love my job, and more savings can't hurt, especially if cyborgisation ends up being more costly than anticipated ( then again, no reason 3D printing/molecular assembling won't make it cheap as fuck, like any other physical process. Especially is you bypass the intellectual property and just pirate the blueprint ).
>>75010454
Cool I want to work for the companies designing the meta-factories. Then my friends and I will control the world. Of course, I won't own it; some infinitesimally small number of multibillionaires will. But at least we will have more power than the endless wasteland of plebs. Read Player Piano sometime!
>>75016872
acording to santiago niño becerra, to sustain current 2010 production of goods there will be needed only the 5% of workers in 2050.
>>75010502
Nope. They will live in tiny capsule-apartments in the giant buildings, probably plugged into VR nonstop. The small buildings wouldn't meet building codes.
>>75010565
They have their own labor. They will hire a tiny nunber of our best managers to train them, and off they will go. This already happens all the time anyway.
>>75008130
Somewhere someone is going to build an advanced sexbot waifu that connects to the internet like a trapper-keeper-2000 and then the world is over.
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