There is literally no argument to support Brexit in terms of trade or economics. Why? People who want to leave simply won't know what will happen or could happen.
hello mr cameron
>>74967907
All UK trade agreements with EU-members have been made before the existence of the Union. Therefore even if the UK goes out those trade agreements will not change
Bullshit. There are several examples of European countries outside the EU that trade and prosper economically. It's the leave camp that want to instil a sense of fear and unknowing.
>b-but muh leap in the dark
>>74968223
Economies of countries like Norway are production based, whereas ours is service based. There's now way to guarantee a good trade deal relative to services especially considering it requires the free movement of people - something I know many in /pol/ are against
>>74967907
We all know what will happen if we stay.
That's reason enough to leave.
We know what will happen because Europe is headed in a clear, obvious direction and they are our leaders
We don't know what will happen if we leave because that will put power into the hands of our politicians, we don't know which way they'll go because we don't know which way we'll vote or what the next run of party manifestos will be.
If we leave, the future will be for us to decide, if we stay, it's already been decided for us.
>>74967907
you are free to trade with whomever you want whatever you want
its your fucking business as long as it isn't violating your countries laws
believe it or not but free trading isn't an invention of Brussels
stop falling for the bait Ahmed
>>74968662
It's something called tariffs and quotas Hans - try some GCSE Business Studies next time
>>74968836
>GCSE Business Studies
tariffs and quotas are actually defined and enforced by the EU upon its members
and frankly most countries just don't give a fuck about it
you are literally gaining nothing at all
at the end they a attempting to create a faux free trade environment effectively blocking out anybody not participating in the communist union they are creating unless its in their own interest to do so
you need to do better than this BBC
3/10
would reply again
>>74968836
Our export tarrifs would be lower than our entry fee to the EU, and we import a great deal from the EU.
The EU would be stupid not to trade with us, considering they're already losing the £55million a day with us leaving, they'd also be losing their biggest market for exports.
They need us, not the other way around
>>74969430
Trade with the EU is 14% of our GDP, whereas it's 3% of the EU's GDP. Do they really need us more than we need them?
>>74969687
They're blocking our trade with the outside, of course they're a high amount of our trade; through quotas on our economy and blocking trade deals we want
We're trapped in the EU, trade-wise, and it's dragging us down.
We might only be 3% of EU GDP, but we're more than double that percentage in french and German economies.
>>74969687
you will never ever get anything more out of the EU than you put in
not in a 100 years
they are playing garrote on a stick just to keep you running
eu is a joke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYqzcqDtL3k
>>74967907
The argument that the EU would deliberately try to fuck England over economically when it leaves the EUdSSR is a strange one when you look at it from a distance.
Brussels never waste a second in telling everyone that the EU is for peace and stability and coming together of Europe and all that. But the moment you want to leave they talk about all the horrible things they are going to do to you. They will put up tariffs and force you to have more immigrants and will exclude you from common scientific projects and so on.
Their, so called, European spirit of brotherhood and friendship is ice-cold.
>>74970730
Could we get some numbers, figures... data? Other than that that's just words which have no real meaning or support
>>74967907
Leaving the EU will result in membership of the EEA, regardless of whether Cameron or Johnson preside over the arrangement.
All that will happen is we will no longer have representation in EU institutions. We will still have free movement and we will still have EU regulations.
We need to change it on the inside.
>>74967907
Divert 10% of EU funds to deal with refugee crisis, says Germany
Asked if Müller’s proposal had been mistranslated, a spokesperson for his ministry confirmed his comments were interpreted correctly. She added that the €10n “should not be on top of the current EU budget, but should be achieved by restructuring the current budget”.
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/may/24/divert-10-of-eu-funds-refugee-crisis-germany-gerd-muller
>>74967907
it's 2016. United states of Europe under an enlightned social democratic guidance are the future. There is no place for ridiculous notions such as "nationalism" in the world.
What are the concerns people have over the EU?
Poor refugees fleeing from war torn countries? Immigration?
The only people opposing immigration sre a bunch of old white racists. There is literally no argument against it from an economic and social point of view.
/pol/ cannot debate this
>German-Austria must be restored to the great German Motherland.
>And not indeed on any grounds of economic calculation whatsoever.
>No, no. Even if the union were a matter of economic indifference, and even if it were to be disadvantageous from the economic standpoint, still it ought to take place.
>People of the same blood should be in the same Reich.
Brexit is not a matter of economics, it is a matter of will and of pride.
And pride in ones country may not be bought.
>>74967907
implying garillions of shekels don't go down the drain that is EU. implying anyone at the EU oversaw lawmaking with the peasant englishman in their thoughts.
i can't fathom why people till think the system is there to help them in any way.
>>74968601
Our leaders are just as shit. My city isn't <70% white from Poles.
Face it, if it wasn't for the EU, we'd probably be bordering on fucking USA-tier levels of whiteness by now.
>>74968460
>all of the factories, refineries, and production plants made during ww2 and the cold war are now gone
>>74967907
On the other side of the coin all of these project fear projections are not facts but made up statistics.
>>74967907
The remain camp dont know what will happen either.
Or are you suggesting that the EU has secretly told them what their 30-year plan is?
Remember.... world free-trade prices are LOWER than EU tariff-wall prices. But you know this is true already, why do you think it is often cheaper to buy goods from the US rather than the UK or EU countries even when you add the increased cost of postage, even when in some cases you add 20% import duty.
The cost of living outside the EU will be less than in the EU.
Im amazed how Bremainers ignore their own personal experience to parrot out the propaganda of EU bureaucrats and their gravy train.
>>74972729
Then they need to make the EU a European Union not and African Union or Islamic caliphate.
It all just becomes a control economy run by corporations and a bureaucracy that throws in ethnocentric separatists from outside Europe.
>The European Economic Area (EEA) provides for the free movement of persons, goods, services and capital within the internal market of the European Union (EU) between its 28 member states, as well as three of the four member states of the European Free Trade Association
with the existence of the European Economic Area and the the European Free Trade Association, what is the actual purpose of the EU?
If you can get free trade without being cucked, what's the point in being an EU member?
>>74969687
Aaaaand there you go in to the elephant trap.
UK may be only 3% of the EU GDP, but why would the EU want to burn that 3%? To spite us? To punish us? To try and get us to re-join at some point? No. They would take the money, every time.
Meanwhile we would be released to strike our own preferential deals with the commonwealth again, our natural trading partners. In-case you didnt know, the whole EU thing is a relatively recent invention, history-wise.
>>74973995
The EU basically just provides more democratic accountability to the EEA.
>>74971013
l2google
>>74972182
>floating a country with a majority of underdeveloped lazy people you are never going to integrate no matter how much money you throw at it but you do it anyway since it will pay off at some point you just have to believe in fairytales and unicorns long enough
on top of it they bring their own religious believe which is totally not inline with the locals
why do we even need the European Union if obviously everybody from all over the world is free to just come in and demand whatever they want?
what are borders?
what is a passport?
its the nigger game all over again
shit is getting old Diego
>>74970983
The EU is like an abusive spouse, a wife-beater, and the UK is the beaten wife, scared to leave. The whole situation is disgusting. The EU has shown its true colours lately.
>>74967907
You can always choose not to implement EU directives you don´t like. What can EU do? Nothing. Member states are just cowards.
>>74968460
>There's now way to guarantee a good trade deal relative to services especially considering it requires the free movement of people
Obviously not considering the UK has never been in the Schengen area.
>>74967907
>There is literally no argument to support Brexit in terms of trade or economics.
Senpai, the UK still use the GBP. One of the most, if not, expensive currency there is. Trade with them is fucked either way.
>>74974874
Schengen area is not the same as free movement. All EU citizens have the right to settle and work in the UK, not being in Schengen just means there are still passport controls at the border - the UK is a damp, soggy shithole of an island anyway, so that doesn't make too much of a difference.
>>74967907
It is correct, in terms of trade, being a member of the European Union helps a lot. That is why pretty much all studies show there is a severe shock immediately after leaving due to limitations that follow.
HOWEVER, should the UK be able to establish a new, better, local, less "red tape" legislative system for businesses and trade following Brexit, then in the long run over 10-15 years, the initial losses may be regained over time.
The EU is a two edged sword, its trade and single market aspects are great, but its bureaucratic, nightmarish red tape, costs hundreds of billions each year throughout the EU.
>>74974292
>j-just ask g-google senpai
Fuck off, find it for me or your argument is invalid
Stay in Britbros! Don't leave us!
Help us fix this thing instead!!!!
Brexit is a cop out
Without you, we are fucked... Germany will have no counterbalance and will swallow us all
>>74975231
>nightmarish red tape
Part of this 'nightmare', however, is wanted by the people. European agriculture and meat production is way more expensive and regulated than the American one - but it's accepted because the people would rather pay the extra money than have their cows pumped with growth hormones, and they'd rather pass on WHEAT (TM) (C) BY MONSATO ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.
Whether that is an economically or ecologically good decision, objectively, that's another question - but it is backed by the people.
>>74974403
Haha. Yeah. Someone meme that onto the pic of the child-abuser.
>No, EU. No.
>>74967907
Absolutely not true. If you went full libertarian, you could defeat EU in a decade as your economy would boom but because you scream "CONTROL", tories will fuck you over and nobody will be happy.
>>74975317
>find it for me
you are a pretty entitled little shit
i smell a economics student who has never worked for his living
>>74975031
I know the difference, and full passport and border checks mean that the UK can check every person comin and turn away anyone it wants to which is the right of every EU state free movement or not which is very difficult if you have open borders in the Schengen area. Nothing would have to drastically change if the UK left, it could still allow in all the people it needs. This idea that the EU is some magical entity that allows things that would otherwise be impossible is the argument of a simpleton.
>>74975578
>WHEAT (TM) (C) BY MONSATO ALL RIGHTS RESER
Soon that will be (TM) MADE IN GERMANY
Ok, that was off topics...
I did not mean agriculture, I meant red tape, as in nightmare regulations which don't help anyone or anything and just add burdens on all kinds of businesses. Trust me, this shit exists, I am a lawyer. I see it every day - the EU is a nightmare for businesses, and it has become increasingly worse in the last 10 years.
>>74976330
>could still allow in all the people it needs
well, obviously. the logistics would still change, i.e. an employer would have to work through a visa process if he wants to hire an EU citizen, whereas now there is practically no difference between hiring an EU cit. and a UK one.
>>74976330
>This idea that the EU is some magical entity that allows things
there's also the common misconception of the EU being this magical entity that exists outside of the sphere of influence of us all. the EU parliament is made up of people that you and I put there, the EU commission is appointed by the leaders that you and I elected. Don't blame an invisible and faceless demon for the EU's actions when they were, in proportional part, the actions of your representatives.
>>74975433
If we leave, the whole EU will collapse like a house of cards.
>>74977709
more like flourish in the absence of an American proxy..
>>74967907
People are prepared to risk losing a few quid for independence and democracy.
Its not all about money you fucking sheep
>>74978020
But the Scotland referendum showed that they are not willing to.
>>74967907
Honestly, I don't care if we have some minor temporary setbacks. As long as we regain control of our democracy I'm happy.
>>74978127
Theyre called scotcucks for a reason
>>74967907
But the people who want to leave are doing it not because of the economy but because they don't want a nigger lover like Merkel and her globalist buddies influencing the country.
