Capitalism is about adding value using your capital. Robots are capital which are incredibly effective at adding a lot of value.
Seems more like the goal capitalism than the end of capitalism senpai.
Robots mean that a factory can produce even more for the same amount of money. That will reduce prices, encouraging further consumerism.
Anyone who thinks automation, and by extension cheap manufacturing will lead to some socialist utopia needs to look at how the reduction of manufacturing costs in the Industrial Revolution and the development of the assembly line (which also reduced costs while increasing productivity) increased the scale of capitalism.
>>74956289
But if you want consumerism, you need a market. The more jobs lost due to automation, the less money for consumers to spend. In order for automation to be sucessful, you MUST create a near equal number of jobs in relation to those lost. Mass unemployment is obviously bad for Capitalism.
>De tuk ar jerbes!
Is a more serious matter in this context than we give credit.
Unless robots want nice cars and in-ground swimming pools then no
I see out group preferences as more threatening to employment levels than automation, those things still need to be programmed and manufactured themselves.
Meanwhile, hiring only black transsexual lesbian Muslims with half limbs and a learning disability is going to get you a lesser worker than if you just hired the white man that you honestly think you're going to feel bad for hiring. IMO, this kind of bullshit has had more of an effect on youth unemployment than automation or even outsourcing. If all junior and grad positions are diversity hires, where does the guy who's not a diversity hire get a job? Oh, he doesn't, thus rising the youth unemployment rate.
Automation is seriously a non issue for luddites. Ending affirmative action would much greatly benefit everyone.
>>74957040
>Australia
>Not shit posting and actually adding to the discussion.
I hope they replace retail fucks who think they deserve $15 to ask if I want fries with that? Or how was my day?
>>74955806
Automation will only create better jobs. The people who used to lick letters shut all day didn't just go homeless, they got a better job after the economy of scale allowed for it and the automatic letter sealer took over.
That's the ultimate goal for anyone, to earn more from working less. Pushing that to its logical limit isn't really useful, but I find it hard to imagine that under near full automation that employment would be an issue.
>>74957756
100% chance that many fast food workers will all get fired and replaced by tablets that take your order.
Bonus is that they can't screw your order up because they don't speak english.
>>74957847
Most are on SSDI for "Depression" because now they don't fucking have jobs anymore.
>>74955806
Did the industrial revolution end capitalism because it made horses and slaves useless?
>>74955806
Venus Project marxist kike shills pls go
>>74957857
I hope so anon
>implying a robot can run wire, hook up plumbing, install HVAC, or do really ANYTHING that commercial contractors need to do
Remember kids, Trade Skills will never be obsolete.
>>74955806
if those lazy bastards in wellfare services etc. don't vote yes for the universal basic income they'll have nothing in near time.
vote? yes, we're having a vote in june regarding ubi.
>>74957857
Still room for human error, as cooks will probably stay a job in fast food. Only cashiers are likely to be replaced.
>>74955806
Never did before and wont in the future. Are you that retard from the /v/ thread?
>>74958150
It won't get passed because the idea that you deserve someone else's money for simply existing is proposterous marxist nonsense
>>74957969
sure as fuck sent a lot of horses to the glue factory though...
No, it will better it.
>>74958048
this.
>>74958277
you don't understand UBI.
>>74955806
as i understand it we will just build more factories, nothing will change but a massive increase in quality of life. think of it like this, one person can make one cup in an hour with his hands. a specialized cup making tool might be able to increase that to 5 cups in an hour, so that person now has 5 more cups than he would have otherwise, thats the only difference.
and for those who would say "oh well who needs 5 cups! there be no demand!" there will always be demand, for example when automation makes it possible people will want every wall in their house filled with laptop level curcuits instead of just one laptop, demand can always increase so automation just makes things better
>>74956599
This.
When 90% of jobs are automated, how are those people going to earn money to inject into the economy?
>>74958392
Unemployment in Switzerland is less than 5%. So why do you need free money exactly?
>>74957857
Already happening. There's a new McDonald's just opened here in Manchester that has tablets that you can order from.
>>74958530
Because you won't have 90% automation. Lots of jobs CAN'T be automated, such as Contractor type work, transportation (muh google car that just crashed), financial, economic, etc.
Learning to use CNC, you got to get with the times man. It's usually socialist who want to preserve dying fields oppose to having people learn something new and move the market forward.
>>74958530
automation will bring new jobs, the only problem will be educating retarded plebs into the new more complicated jobs it creates. we will probably have to genocide africa and introduce some sort of eugenics program but thats not really a bad thing
>>74958530
Automation doesn't cause unemployment you subhuman marxist britcuck shill
The best decision I've ever made in my life, was to study Automation Engineering.
>300k starting
>>74955806
okay as long as we get more immigrants to go with it, otherwise shit.
>>74958560
it ain't free as it is already present in the system and is wasted on a bloated government. and the UBI can be fully automated.
What is the governments plan on dealing with the massive influx of jobless and unskilled civilians when all the CEOs replace them with robots?
>>74958048
>This
Well, until we get a perfect AI but by then we could actually have a functioning commie society since we would just have a bunch of robot slaves doing our bidding.
>>74958644
>denial
the post
>>74955806
>Will automation end capitalism?
What are you? Some communist hippy who can't think things through?
Automation will enhance capitalism and turn it into a dystopia.
>>74957910
You luddites are nuts.
Completely ignorant of the idea of scale. No one is building sky scrapers if it still takes the whole village working in the fields to grow enough food.
Automation like any advancement allows production to scale better (cheaper products for less work) creating form for more businesses. If circuit boards were still drawn by hand 80% of people wouldn't have the job they have today.
>>74955806
Yes, but it'll take around 200 years.
>>74958687
>evidence to your argument
wew
>>74958530
Who do you think is gonna be building and maintaining the robots? And who do you think is gonna be killing people from flying robots?
and don't forget the race war :^)
>>74955806
did the industrial revolution end capitalism?
>>74958818
How is that denial when it's a fact that there are tons of jobs that literally cannot be automated?
>>74958750
for white people? birthrates are already tiny
for niggers? let them starve and use robots to kill refugees
>>74958750
Hey you retarded marxist NEET shill see
>>74958687
>>74958687
>Automation doesn't cause unemployment
Prove it then.
>>74958644
Yeah but the majority can. The service industry can pretty much be entirely automated and that's the vast majority of the western world's economy.
Capitalism won't last forever. You realise that right?
>>74958694
hey dude. I'm cutting jobs with DeltaV.
>>74958644
>4chan gold
>doesn't see the captchas with road signs, shops etc and has missed deep dream
>>74958959
The "Service industry" is too vague to say that it can be automated. Construction is a "service industry" if you're vague enough.
A majority of jobs CANNOT be automated. Capitalism won't die.
>>74955806
Yup. That's always what Marx had predicted.
>>74958921
>transportation
this WILL be automated, but please argue that it wont lol.
>finance
>economics
even if this shit isn't automated in the next 10 or so years, stockbrokers and even bank tellers are disappearing because they aren't needed anymore.
>>74958644
>Contractor type work, transportation
trucks are going to be one of the first automated things and you labor babbies need to face the fact that robots will replace all the heavy lifting that is 90% of your job so that instead of 30 workers on a job you have 5 or less
>>74958959
>Prove it then
I have a 120 year graph that shows no secular increase in unemployment other than recession periods. You are the one who has to prove that automation will end capitalism or whatever you marxist subhuman inbred trash
No.
Technology can always be improved and even if we hit a brick wall, the arts and cultural industries will simply expand as more people have free time.
>>74959130
Cringe
>>74957910
It's SSRI
Selective Seretonin Reuptake Inhibitor
Learn2drugs
>>74959147
Transportation will never be automated simply because of the detail involved. You going to automate an 18 wheeler driving on interstates for 12 hours? How about a freight train on a non-stop schedule for days?
>>74959148
Hahaha, a leaf talking like he even knows what a job is.
>>74959120
I wonder what it'll be like in a few years with 30% out of work.
UBI would enable people to reduce their hours and the freed FTE's could be shared over a larger workforce. more time for kids, ageing parents, painting the shed..
>>74955806
Nah, but is will end the lower classes being able to make "career" out of fast food, grocery stores and minimum skill set jobs. When we were young we took those jobs and they built character and a desire not to be someone elses bitch. Now? I have no idea how people continue to work low skill jobs and never make anything of themselves.
Automation will cause a split if anything. Thos sticking their hands out and crying "we are equal" but have never earned anything will likely become a large blemish without better educational systems.
>>74959175
the weak shall inherit the earth mein friend. that lad will be breeding your future daughters and you will be reffering to him as "ya-lardship"
>>74959290
Why should I pay taxes to people who don't want to work?
>>74958277
>Comes from a greek
That's like an american talking about eating healthy, or a swede lecturing a polack how to deal with their immigration crisis.
>>74956599
>>74958530
By working different fucking jobs. How many people where farmers 300 years ago, and how many people are farmers now? Jobs will always exist. when a person simply exists, and requires food, water, shelter, and whatever else they want to fill their life with, that creates demand for service and product.
That demand will be filled by people and machines as is appropriate and economical, and if there is excess labor, it will be used to produce new things in an attempt to create a market, as it always has.
Seriously if we have a massive dearth of labor leftover, demand for entertainment will skyrocket. Robots cannot produce TV shows and video games, those markets will continue to grow and demand workers, like they do right now.
Japan has the highest number of industrial robots per capita
The unemployment rate is under 5%
HOLY CRAP SUBHUMAN AUTISTIC MARXIST SHILLS BTFO!!!!!
How can they recover from that????!!!!
>>74959246
it'll run 24h, 7 days instead if that is required. look at everythibg else around logistics, it's all been highly automated.
>>74959246
yea, pretty much.
Wait, you're not a truck driver are you? lol more like cuck driver now am I rite?! lol
>>74955806
Not more than assembly lines ended capitalism. People lost jobs, new jobs got created, and everything began anew.
>>74955806
Only if we manage to create AI that doesn't exterminate us.
>>74958921
Name one.
>>74958921
Maybe not today but heres the plan pf automation: Blue collar repeatable work (assembly line style)-->Blue collar support roles (shipping and transportation)-->white collar management roles (scheduling production,managing employee headcount)-->creative fields (art, music, tv {there is already a robot who writes music})--->White collar stem jobs (medical, science research, technology and automation systems production)
>>74959175
>being this butthurt about marxists
I know your country is in shambles Dimitris but it's because you guys are lazy fucks not because of Marxism.
Also you little graph proves nothing since mass automation hasn't yet occurred. Nobody knows for certain what impact it will have on the economy.
>>74958894
>Who do you think is gonna be building and maintaining the robots?
Other robots?
>>74959358
because you already pay them. it'll be shared differently and don't tell me you want a bloated gov.
>>74959246
>You going to automate an 18 wheeler driving on interstates for 12 hours? How about a freight train on a non-stop schedule for days?
yes
this is exactly what robots will do, a robot 18 wheeler is far safer than a human on drugs to stay awake
>>74959468
Penis model
>>74959147
Trading is almost entirely automated these days.
>>74959433
Logistics is just the numbers side, not the physical side. Can't automate UPS, USPS, freight trains, or truck drivers.
>>74959438
Nope. Just not an idiot.
>>74958915
>did the industrial revolution end capitalism?
It killed serfdom.
>>74959212
>industries
My friend, a much as I'd like to see it, we'll never see n economy based on paintings and poems.
>>74959246
Actually transportation is one of the easier things to automate. Roads are static entities, smart vehicles can communicate with each other, permit specific passings and the like to allow vehicles to reach exits every time, avoid accidents, and maximize fuel efficiency. A freight train is literally even easier because it just needs to be told when to stop and go based on a schedule and its GPS position.
And a smart truck can drive all day long, only requiring breaks to refuel it.
>>74959468
Contractor work. Any trade skill. Any transportation.
>>74959525
i rest my case then
>>74959534
welp, if you're not going to prove how transportation can't be automated friendo, at least prove how you're not an idiot.
>>74959495
Lol double digit iq inbred ugly marxist retard
>mass automation hasn't yet occurred
How do you even define "mass automation". You are just making stuff up. Pure cringe
>>74956289
Consumerism has its limits. There's only so much shit that can be produced before the market is saturated and nobody wants to buy it anymore.
At some point you pro-capitalism types are going to have to admit that we've become so efficient and productive as a species that a model of resource and labor allocation based on scarcity for both resources and labor is no longer going to work.
Soon so much will become automated that labor will become a useless commodity. It's been happening exponentially for the past several hundred years and the curve is growing so steep that we're reaching a kind of economic singularity where the old rules no longer apply.
>>74959534
>Can't automate things that go to designated places at designated times using designated paths
come on m8. Even janitors would be harder to replace with robots
>>74959319
Look at his build and complexion.
I predict heart failure before age 35.
>>74959606
The Google car was extremely inefficient with its self driving, still required a human passenger, and could only go 25 MPH due to being unable to accurately notice traffic at higher speeds. You really think we could automate a truck going 75 MPH down a busy interstate all day?
>>74958664
But AI will surely make even 'educated' people obsolete.
The clamoring multitudes will spew forth geniuses desperate to find economic purchase in a system that rapidly needs less and less people. They will scramble to create the tech that will displace ever more people until they create the tech that displaces themselves.
I would say even the wealthy could be easily made obsolete. What is a corporation but a form of AI with human components. As the components are phased out the will to grow remains. Why are owners needed for corporate governance when you have automated CEOs?
>>74959585
But what about literature, music, film, and vidyamagames?
>>74955806
>>74956599
Well, STEM jobs will not end by automation that is for sure. If anything the demand for these professionals will only grow exponentially with the growth of automation.
>>74958048
Those jobs cant be outsourced either.
>>74959417
You say robots can not create video games but AI can already create musics or write articles by itself. What i mean is that robots can and will be able to do both manual and intellectual works
>>74959736
well at that point we will die off as our 7ft tall 12 inch dicked robot overlords explore the galaxy without us
>>74959671
>Soon so much will become automated
Proof?
>>74959718
Well, first planes weren't able to break sound barrier too, so what? It's not impossbile, so everything else is just a matter of time.
>>74955806
jobs will shift is all
the robot makers and service men will need to hire people to spitshine their shoes
humans will have to be exterminated. There are plenty of mouth breathing retards roaming the earth who don't have the proper genes to push innovation further.
these people will be the first to go, otherwise governments will have to provide month NEET checks and we simply can't have that shit.
>>74959718
the googlecar is also drawing maps and is what is going to make automated transportation possible in the first place
hopefully within the next 10 years we will have 90% less human drivers killing people
>>74959655
How are you this buttblasted about socialists that you have dozens of pics saved on your computer?
You don't get out much do you?
Anyway, I'm referring to a post-scarcity economy which, in case you hadn't noticed, is the topic of the thread.
>>74959736
By then hopefully we will integrate ourselves with AIs. If not - humans will just slowly become obsolete and extinct.
>>74959676
>Even janitors would be harder to replace with robots
For now. But general purpose AI robots are developing at a remarkable pace.
50 years ago if I told you cashier jobs at McDonalds would be replaced with a computer you would've told me I was insane. Because back then the typical computer cost several million dollars and required an entire room.
>>74959671
And at that point we will have achieved a post-scarcity economy, and literally everything we know about economics will collapse.
>>74959718
Yes. The first cars were absolutely trounced by horses for years. Given time and development it will mature like literally every technology has. Assuming a prototype of an early concept is the peak of a technology is pretty short sighted of you.
>>74959788
When we have created a robot that is capable of individual and creative thought and creative application of that thought, we have basically created a sentient machine. Even then, they will not simply replace humans. A robot might be able to create a hundred unique ideas. A human might only make ten unique ideas. But one humans idea might be better than hundreds of other ideas. Just look at steam greenlight to see that in action.
>>74959417
>Robots cannot produce TV shows and video games
You think production of these things won't become mostly automated? Instead of seven cameramen, you'll have one guy controlling seven cameras.
Instead of an orchestra to produce music for a game, you'll have one guy tinkering with software that lets you emulate an orchestra recorded 10 years ago like vocaloid today.
Your scenario of entertainment replacing technical and physical labor only works if there is excess capital to demand those services. Where would that excess capital come from when there is less capital flowing into consumers? Wealthy people do not spend as much money of their money as laborers, nor do they consume pleb entertainment as heavily.
We're going to have universal income unless humanity develops a taste for genocide again.
If you NEETs only knew how many people are required to operate automated facilities you would stop talking out of your ass about robots ending jobs.
If anything, robots will bring more jobs to the world.
t.automation engineer.
>>74958644
>>74958818
But he's right.
I suspect a decent amount of jobs that could be automated won't be, because a human is behind the decision.
And I'm not saying that the human behind the decision will consciously think "I'd rather employ a person than buy a fucking robot"
No, it will be because "fucking corporate won't give me any capital equipment funds to buy stuff, even though it saves me money!"
I work for a fortune 10 company that makes damn near everything. If you are in a 1st world country and my employer's logo isn't somewhere in your house, I'd be very surprised.
>currently working at a power plant
>power plant updated the system about 2 years ago
>question comes up "hey guys, I know we only NEED X units per minute production, but should we just scale up 50% of potential production to alleviate any maintenance/repair downtime?"
>unanimously everyone else there says "are you stupid? You want to spend 20% more on this project to get an extra 50% production that we don't need?"
>So here I am. Running mobile equipment out of a four semi-trailers to give them the extra 50% capacity.
>four semi trailers, hauled in in SHORT notice from across the country.
>me and another guy flown out working 24/7 because the mobile equipment is all manual, while the stationary equipment is automated and needs little human input.
>86.5 hours last week.
>3-6 months of this. Minimum.
I have another site that we have one of these trailers at. We charge them 20k a month for it and they run it.
>>74959946
>post-scarcity economy
Which is pure marxist nonsense. Kill your self cringy sperlord
>that you have dozens of pics saved on your computer?
I have those images from trolling various marxist retards on reddit and leftypol. It's a passion of mine. Why can't you handle the bants you hilarious subhuman tard?
>>74959676
this,
janitors have a hard fucking job. Not only because of the back breaking work that wears on you day by day, but their fucking union bosses are lazy shits.
Where I work the carpets haven't been vacuumed in ages. This black janitor lady takes it upon herself to wash the windows, vacuum and clean the bathrooms when thats the night shifts duty.
automating a robot to clean every fucking nook and cranny of a building sounds like a total nightmare compared to automating transport.
Fucking shit, this is getting as bad as the faux diversity gook, the calibern fag, or the black cock idiot.
>>74957857
It's already happening. Slowly cooks will be removed, soda machines are already automated. My vision is each store will have 12 employees, 2 on at a time, 3 shifts a day. Will be a 2 year degree in Business/Accounting for management and 2 year degree in Mechanical Engineering to service machines and keep the hoppers full.
>>74958644
>Transportation can't be automated
Oh my God, how little you know about this world.
Ignorance is bliss I guess?
I just hope UBI comes ASAP.
>>74959212
Arts and Cultural industries inherently rely on relatively few producers selling to a high number of consumers.
The idea that the economy will run Itself while everyone can sit back and focus on their hobbies and maybe make a buck on the side by selling something that has entertainment value is inherently flawed
Just look at youtube, anyone can start up a channel, and It's still growing at an extremely fast rate. There is literally so much good content on youtube, and yet, to actually make a liveable income off youtube you need to get hundreds of thousands of views per videos. Unless someone produces content multiple times a week that gets lots of views, I guarantee you their channel is not their main source of income.
When an entertainment market gets flooded with content because It's easier to get into, It kills the profitability in the industry. I mean just look at film, music and video games, film and video games especially. More games and films are coming out than ever, and the largest games and films are making more money than ever, but the Indie markets are absolutely flooded so there's no way you will ever make money, and consumption patterns are changing to reflect the market and this is resulting in lots and lots of medium-sized film and video game projects losing money. And because medium-sized projects are no longer profitable, people are less likely to be risky so they just make what they know will sell, and that's brings us to 2016 where the best selling video games and the highest grossing movies are literally sequels or remakes.
>>74956599
this. I think one way of assuring that there would be viable consumers may be to enact a universal basic income.
>>74960040
more like "we already have that"
>>74960180
You should really get a hobby.
Like I said, capitalism won't last forever m8. Labour is only a means to an end.
![happy-old-man-29332682[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cijNZWr.jpg "happy-old-man-29332682[1].jpg")
>>74960040
>general purpose AI
>>74959774
this,
blue collar fags will get btfo and WILL need to get into the STEM fields by the time they're in their 40s and 50s lol.
Gonna be so fucking funny bossing these fukkos around.
>>74960341
Humans will never stop laboring.
>>74960294
More free time means more views, in that case.
The existing entertainment industries have plenty of niches that need to be filled. Just look at Hollywood and the gaming industry being so terrified of trying new things. They could use some new blood.
>>74955806
It has no need to end capitalism.
You just need to give people money to keep it going, professional consumers that never build up their capital and feed all they have back into the machine.
We already do this with widening disability and social welfare programs to take care of the aging or stubborn population it is not worth training up for newer jobs. At some point we will just become more honest about it though
So are STEM majors the only ones safe? Won't that destroy the economy?
>>74959246
Anon, automated cars don't have to be 100% perfect. They just have to be better than the average human driver, and they already are.
Hey marxist kike shills explain why the number of people employed in leasure and hospitality keeps increasing despite the automation.
>>74955806
Yes, in about 15-20 years.
>>74960509
Because Obama knows only how to create temp jobs in the service sector xD
>>74960469
They're so terrified because it's not profitable, you fucking retard.
Why are so many of you economically illiterate?
>>74960341
k
>>74960438
Of course they will.
People only work because they have to (i.e. they're too poor to afford not to).
>>74956289
You are fucking retarded. The people affected by the industrial revolution had industries to flee and get new waves of revenue.
The automation process is only sustainable if it generates more revenue than it cost to maintain it and develop it. The industrial work got a hit in the last 30 years with people fleeing towards the service industry. When automation happens in those industries where will the people being replaced move towards? Maintaining of the machines? That is retarded not enough new jobs will be created to keep working most of the displaced workers.
This new brand of automation will KILL an entire class of people and will further separate the classes between capital owners and not capital owners, this will end in a bloody revolution or in the biggest socialist government ever where people get money just from existing as a form of universal welfare since it would be impossible to find low skill jobs that will create a class of people COMPLETELY dependent of the state.
Craftsmanship coupled with population control.
If a population is stable then automation can ensure people will never have to work and there basic needs can be met.
Craftsmanship for people who want to have better shit than everyone else because human made original shit will still be of value.
It all falls apart if shitskins and noodle niggers keep spitting out tons of kids though. Then we can expect disease, famine and war.
>>74960509
>manual and technical labor being phased out
>service sector grows
>service labor gets phased out
>???
Do you think everyone is going to be managing a portfolio or something? Even in the finance industry, trade is dying because people are losing faith in portfolio managers and just buy indexed funds instead.
>>74955806
Well, my job isn't going to be automatized until full AI, so I can sleep safely. You all, on the other hand...
>>74959417
>Robots cannot produce TV shows and video games
not yet
>>74956289
>That will reduce prices
Prices never go down son. If by some rare occurrence they do go down, they do not stay down for long.
TLDR, name one commodity that has gone down in price and remained there.
>>74960294
The cost and competition of development have killed the profit of the games industry.
In the 90's if you made a great title, you were a must-buy for everyone. Now there are so many good games the market is spread out. The cost of making games was lower so you didn't need tons of outside financing either.
even if it ruins the economy it will be worth it just to see all the teen mcdonalds workers become jobless
fuck those kids
>>74955806
>automation meme
https://johnhively.wordpress.com/2016/03/22/this-is-how-academics-and-the-corporate-propaganda-machine-called-the-news-media-work-to-keep-us-ignorant-of-reality/
>>74960580
>They're so terrified because it's not profitable, you fucking retard.
How the fuck do you know, idiot? How do you explain shit like Minecraft then?
>>74960610
>This new brand of automation will KILL an entire class of people
You say like it's a bad thing. We need less people. Thankfully, white countries are already on the decline, and all other can just kiss their asses. By 2100, you are going to be scientist or not going to be.
>>74960692
>service labor gets phased out
Proof? Even those entry level no skills needed restaurant jobs are growing. Where is the unemployment you marxist shills are whining about?
>>74960469
Most times they try something new It doesn't make money, so they go back to making sequels and remakes. Every so often something new will strike a chord and do very well, and suddenly everyone thinks this new thing is suddenly a new market, but It isn't - It was just that one thing that did well, and all the clones that It spawns will be inferior and likely lose money. This trend of -
>try something new
>it doesn't work
>Go back to sequels and remakes
>Eventually someone finds something new that worked
>Jump on the bandwagon of this new thing
>Turns out it was nothing and the demand didn't actually exist
>go back to making sequels and remakes
Has literally happened so many times, and the droughts are getting longer and the bandwagons are getting more intense.
The middle class should of never existed in the first place. It was being artificially kept alive with menial jobs. There really is no such thing as a middle class. There is only a poor class and a rich class.
>>74960768
>TLDR, name one commodity that has gone down in price and remained there.
Computational power.
>>74960610
> The people affected by the industrial revolution had industries to flee and get new waves of revenue.
I think your the fucking retarded one mate. Robots don't just run infinitely forever. Robotics requires human input to maintain, program, and design.
There's your fucking massive booming industry, automation and programming. Then again, considering your country posted a three billion dollar trade deficit for 2015, I guess you people don't understand how to economy
>>74960768
I mean based on competition. Prices for goods will drop for the consumer because of competition for consumer dollars, increasing consumerist tendencies as people can afford more.
>>74960768
>what is competition
What was the price 5 years ago of the device you use to type these idiotic comments?
>>74955806
Yes. We could easily have a 25 hour week already if were not for capitalism creating bullshit jobs to perpetuate the system.
>>74955806
The simple answer is yes.
Just as the steam engine and car allowed for the creation of what we call capitalism, technology will change economics in the future. I won't be some hippy communism or "post scarcity" garbage, but it will not be what we call capitalism today. Only a fool would believe that one system is going to last forever.
>>74960108
Another story because im bored
>working a brewery on east coast, purchased some equipment from us for something like 1.5mil
>job is sideways as fuck, commissioning on our end has passed the 1 year mark
>I get brought in to help out for a few weeks because I have fuckall else to do
>while I'm there, we see that they had a robot installed to move kegs from the line onto a pallet
>thing has some insane force behind it, picking up 160lb kegs like it was a 12oz can
>see it fuckup and drop a keg, tossing it into a fence at 30mph
>engineer in there the next day. And the next 3 weeks trying to get it to work right.
Companies who are trying to automate everything are showing that they care about one thing.
>profit margins
People making the decisions are white collar idiots who have usually never been in their manufacturing facilies or picked up a wrench in their life.
Maintenance costs are abstract thought to them.
They will pick the cheapest equipment from the manufacturer who claims it will do what they want.
And it will always fall the fuck apart.
>>74961042
>>74961086
Where are you all marxist shills coming from?
Wtf?
>>74958213
Just wait for the 3D food printers
>>74961203
>Didn't read my post
>calls me a marxist
>>74961042
Capitalists don't want you to have too much free time to think.
Just work hard, earn lots of money and spend it all on pointless garbage as quickly as possible.
Good goy! You're now a "contributing member of society".
>>74959130
this tbqh
>>74959225
fuck off retard , he litteraly wrote it , said that industrialisation and automation will blow workers out of the market thus creating a class of even more miserable people who would then eventually grow in number and revolt after much pain
Marx advocated a preemptive revolution to avoid the step of complete misery
>>74960876
>How the fuck do you know, idiot?
By fucking paying attention to the industry, you fucking mouthbreather.
>How do you explain shit like Minecraft then?
Have you ever heard of what a unicorn is? It's a rare success that shits money. Examples would be things like Facebook.
Go ahead and suggest that the loss of jobs will be solved by infinite Facebook-like successes. It'll cement my point that you're economically and financially illiterate.
>>74960922
>restaurant jobs are growing
The "Yum!" industry is growing because we're on the upswing after a global economic downturn. One of the first industries to outpace the rest in growth are food services. This has to do with business cycles, not long-term projections. This is because the food service industry is one of the most sensitive to consumption.
You can go on Yahoo finance and look up what the stock prices for utility companies were in 09. You'll see they were outpacing the S&P500 in price growth. The utility industry didn't uncover a new market to sell electricity to. It was because of the economic phase we were in.
>marxist
I'm not a Marxist. I believe we need to find a new solution to future economic problems because capitalism and marxism are not equipped to handle them.
>>74960988
>Robotics requires human input to maintain, program, and design.
I work in a power plant. Literally two people run a 1GW plant.
A panel operator that responds to alerts and a guy that walks around twice a shift making sure local gauges and remote sensors agree. Once every few mounts oil is changed or a leaking valve is replaced.
In theory you could take that panel operator and give him a phone app that he only had to check when it beeped and not even show up for work. Secondary sensors could reduce the need for inspection from 4 times a day to once or less.
We can't employ enough people in maintenance and deployment to keep running the economy as it is without a change to how we generate and distribute money.
Lastly with general purpose robots what stops one robot from servicing another robot?
>>74961408
>socialasm don't want you to have too much free time to think.
>Just work hard, earn loaf of bread and corner in the communal apartments
>Good goy! You're now a "contributing member of society".
>>74960986
That's not a commodity. That's not even a thing.
You can just say CPUs or something, but that isn't a commodity either, just a product. He's referring to raw material.
>>74961526
>Have you ever heard of what a unicorn is? It's a rare success that shits money.
Thanks for proving my point, retard.
Also there have been knockoffs that were wildly successful too (Terraria) so your argument is horseshit.
>>74961379
I read your post you are spewing the typical "economic relations determine the superstructure" marxist crap.
Kill your self go back to plebbit
>live in a comfy village
>cheap ass robots work the field to provide food
>enjoy life
The future is bright.
>>74961607
Why do consumer capitalists always assume that the only alternative to capitalism is some soviet style communism?
>>74961408
Cringe
You're going to see a lot of people start rural communities that don't use much technology
Not Amish-tier
But generally pretty basic
Especially during the next market crash
>>74961686
How many more of these do you have?
>>74961659
Not while we have gypsies taking them for metal.
>>74961640
Fucking hell, you're really stupid.
>Rare: (of an event, situation, or condition) not occurring very often.
Go ahead and try to fuel a fucking 300 million person economy off of RARE successes.
>knockoffs that were wildly successful
And employ maybe 12 people? Do you understand how many people drive trucks in this country? Do you think when all driving is automated that they can go work at Mojango?
I mean fucking Christ, this is basic logic. Do you lack a basic sense of scale?
>tfw I got a STEM degree and I work for a industrial robotics company maintaining legacy software for last generation robots as well as developing the software and human interface analogs for the next generation robots
Feels very very good knowing I am helping humanity reach a point where the production is high enough for a universal income to be implemented for the people of this country ( after lot of the undesirables are deported of course )
;)
>>74961613
>That's not a commodity. That's not even a thing.
>You can just say CPUs or something, but that isn't a commodity either, just a product. He's referring to raw material.
You can buy and sell access to computational power, trade it with other people that need data crunched. It's actually a lively activity for researchers.
"I have 5 hrs now that I'll trade you for 10hr later."
Anyway you want a raw resource that started expensive and became and stayed cheap? Aluminum. It once cost more than gold or platinum now we make drink containers out of it.
>>74961776
Ciganin hunt Sunday is coming Ivan, wanna go?
>>74961762
I have plenty you autistic marxist kike loving shill. Kill your self
>>74959225
Here's one for your collection, debtfriend
>>74961804
More companies, more employees, more competition.
Just because your pea brain can't comprehend it doesn't mean it cannot happen.
>>74960922
how can you be so ignorant? your problem is that greece is financially fucked over and doesn't have the cash to make investments. here in the west it is massive, our mc d's has had self-service terminals since about 3 years.
>>74961203
>marxist shills
greek education.
>>74961867
Shame you don't have an argument though.
Or a life.
>>74955806
If all jobs become automated there are two possibilities for what will happen.
Either we will experience another major employment shift such as what happened during the industrial revolution where instead of being farmers most people became factory workers shifting their lifestyle to some new kind of industry that robots cannot do or automation simply will not happen at all.
Even if the technology to automate every job exists it would not work to go that route if it results in mass unemployment of the majority of the population because that would mean that nobody would have the money to purchase their goods and they would suffer for that.
So even if it seemed like a brilliant move on paper to lay off your human workers in favor of robots that you don't have to pay in the long run it would ruin you.
>>74961804
who cares about trucks. any imigrant or a trained monkey could do that job, so why should a neural system not be able to compete?
>>74961890
>more companies, more employees, more competitoin
Yeah, that's why mid-sized studios have all shut down. Because more companies = more money flowing in.
>>74955806
>What is creative destruction
>>74961593
And that power plant would have been designed by a large number of engineers. Built by people too, but lets assume most construction gets replaced by robots. Unlikely, but possible.
The power plant has remote sensors and managing systems running on computers. That software would have been designed and maintained by a large team of software engineers.
As for the general robots servicing each other, nothing prevents a self oiling or cleaning robot, but a robot capable of identifying and replacing specific flawed or degraded parts in a robot is reaching a significant level of awareness, for a robot that wouldn't be doing much else very often. That job is likely to remain human simply because of the technological complexity, combined with the fact that it doesn't fit the advantages of robots, which is doing identical, menial, precise tasks over and over again. Repairs are irregular, sometimes complex tasks.
Its going to shift hard from people running the systems to people making the systems, but it'll change. Advanced robotics factories will require MASSIVE computer systems, which will need network engineers, software engineers, probably a handful of security specialists, and so on. That's where the workers shift too, they go off the production lines and into the server rooms.
>>74962108
If you're whining about the failures you might as well shill for communism, you sad cuck.
>>74961852
Da Slavko, we will make rakia out of their bones.
>>74961973
So fucking mad. Go back to your safe space if you can't handle it you ugly inbred britcuck trash
>>74962091
>Even if the technology to automate every job exists it would not work to go that route if it results in mass unemployment of the majority of the population because that would mean that nobody would have the money to purchase their goods and they would suffer for that.
that's when capitalism is kill , you will have to go to a nice basic universal income, otherwise the plebs will burn everything
>>74962098
>who cares about trucks.
The families whose livelihoods depend on it.
>why should a neural system not be able to compete?
Did I ever say it shouldn't? It's not a matter of should or should not. It's inevitable. I'm talking about what comes after.
If you're a fucking retard, you can think these truck drivers are going to go develop platform indie games. If you're remotely lucid, you'll recognize that massive population control with universal income is going to be the end result.
>>74962189
>HURRRRRRR EVERYONE WILL JUST GO MAKE VIDYAGAYMS
>Companies are closing doors every day, an entire sector of the industry doesn't exist anymore.
>C-COMMIE!
Kill yourself, retard.
>>74961850
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/commodity/aluminum
Look at the 10-year span.
>>74962300
this is learnt. how many ceo's have been detained by workers in france?
>>74962468
i don't know , though the guys who did this got buttfucked by justice afterwards
>>74962445
No one gives a shit about 'em families. UBI would spare them from hunger and not cost more than the current bloated systems.
>>74962445
Are you flustered?
Just because there are some companies who go out of business due to poor decisions doesn't mean the industry is dying.
Now get angry again.
Most jobs can't be automated yet. People crying for UBI and shit now are just lazy retards who don't want to work.
However, this will in 50-100 years be possible. Automation does in fact kill jobs, but we've had enough excess labor that wasn't being done to not notice. It's one thing when everyone is busy on the farm and can't spare time to build computers, but the machines that replace them now won't need half as many people to create and maintain them. (If they did, it wouldn't be profitable to switch, retards)
It's also going to be a lot rougher for the newly unemployed when these changes start hitting the economy, they'll find it hard to get new 4-6 year degrees to get back to work.
When all of the necessities and tangible leisure products are automated, all you'll have left is an oversaturated and unprofitable creative industry and a lot of hungry mouths.
And the people who still work for their own survival are just as likely to leave you in the cold to die as they are to vote for basic income.
I hear many arguments about "people will lose jobs, what to do?". The same thing happened when stocking frames, spinning frames and power looms appeared - they will re-educate and find new jobs, or die out.
>>74962565
history has shown that it can end very differently. especially the french history that sprouted democracy. heads will roll without a re-arangement.
>>74962745
>Automation does in fact kill jobs
Source? Show how automation causes permanent secular increases in the unemployment rate
>>74962606
>No one gives a shit about 'em families.
People will when they're burning down factories and power plants.
>UBI would spare them from hunger
Not if there are too many of them. This is why I advocate population control and abandoning Africa.
>>74962628
>poor decisions
Nothing to do with poor decisions. An entire sector turned out to be no longer economically feasible because of a massive influx of content. People do not have infinite free time or attention. They got pushed out of the market.
All of those closed down mid-sized developers did not get employed by huge publishers like Activision or redevelop their skills to make mobile/indie games because they were older than 30.
The competition is growing, but not the demand for labor. We're talking about jobs here, not revenue. Competition theoretically improves the quality of games, but it does not in any way increase the demand for labor.
Take a basic economics course for fuck's sake.
>>74956599
then everyone can be artists or something, dang dude.
>>74962189
We're discussing the employment prospects of people in the entertainment industry you say that more consumers, means more companies and more jobs in those industries and yet the exact opposite is happening. There is less jobs in entertainment industries than there has ever been.
Entertainment is a unique industry in many regards, It is not something you can apply a basic economic theory to and explain how it works. Normally, competition works by creating the best product because the people who create the worst product lose business.
Not so in the entertainment industry, where the highest selling products are usually stretched thin to appeal to as many people as possible. That's not to say they're all shit, or that you can't find good things in the most popular areas of entertainment, but generally you can assume that most people have specific demands and enjoy niche entertainment more than they do than popular entertainment. This has been, for a very long time, filled by the medium-sized producer
But with the rise of the Internet the medium-sized producer is going extinct. You only have two - the massive, and the indie, and the indie usually can't make money off their work so It's slow to develop and there's so much indie that It's difficult to find what's actually any good. Meanwhile the massive continues to make more money than ever while employment in the industry declines with the loss of the profitability of medium-sized producers and the subsequent flooding of the indie market.
>>74962182
It was constructed over 8 months. 20 years ago.
You can't build enough power plants to employ all the people that could be put out of work from mass automation.
Further you can copy paste this plant anywhere. In fact that's exactly what happened, the plant I work at is a form made plant.
Someone designed this power plant once about 25 years ago and other then small incremental changes to make it better have been made but it's never been redesigned. Literally if we wanted every gas power plant in the world that we could use has already been designed and can be made from known off the shelf parts and software.
>That software would have been designed and maintained by a large team of software engineers.
It's not maintained by anyone because nothing changes. Or if it is that's maybe 1 guy with a profile of other industrial systems that never change. So we can employ 1 guy to take care of every gas plant's software.
>but a robot capable of identifying and replacing specific flawed or degraded parts in a robot is reaching a significant level of awareness
Not really. It does self assessments and reports failure in X part and this set of measured metrics.
I don't check water filters to see if they are blocked, I read a pressure gauge before and after and take the difference between them, when it hits a level I swap the filter. If it doesn't fix the issue then I need to check more things, but every filter change I can remember has been problem free.
A robot with modular parts will simply pull a broken part and send that off for higher level maintenance.
>>74962159
>go to rust belt
seems like regular destruction to me
>>74962182
you don't know anything about industry, industrial software doesn't have to be 'maintained.'
>Advanced robotics factories will require MASSIVE computer systems, which will need network engineers, software engineers, probably a handful of security specialists,
why the hell would a factory need this, it is a factory, industrial robots are pretty simple. You don't need a network engineer for automation, what would require MASSIVE computer systems? The robots are just repetitively running a set of instructions. Industrial controls are not simple, but they don't require massive computers. Any computer hardware that can run crysis can run a factory. Most industrial machines have the computing power of a first gen gameboy.
>>74963003
>>74963067
>take a basic economics class!
>you can't apply basic economics to that industry!
You two should fight each other.
>>74957756
Then the guy who got fired stabs you and takes your money.
>>74962890
Pull your head out of your ass and realize that there's only a limited amount of employment opportunities for any fixed amount of humans. It's a fact that less people are needed to maintain these systems than they replace. All we've been doing is moving people around to undermanned industries, but those disappear when automation becomes widespread and sophisticated enough. We've already resorted to giving millions of people dead-end busywork, like encouraging all those useless degrees and overstaffed HR departments.
>>74963173
>I'm a software engineer
>Develop software for oil processing plants
>Doesn't know anything about industrial software
K.
>>74963185
I revise my post: Take a basic reading course.
I'm explaining that competition /=/ increase in demand for labor.
He's explaining that entertainment "products" are too unique to be simply explained on a demand versus supply graph, especially with niche sectors. In other words, there will not be simply more demand for x games that can be met by an increase in supply for x games.
>>74962445
>Look at the 10-year span.
It's the same price it was 26 years ago in 1990 as it is today. Which with inflation is a price drop.
However the price has slowly fallen from the advent of modern aluminum processing.
>>74955806
Who services the machines?
>>74960768
Salt
>_______ will mark the end of the evil capitalist bourgeois! rejoice, comrades!
how many times have i heard this before
>>74963409
One guy services 20+ machines
>>74962745
>People crying for UBI and shit now are just lazy retards who don't want to work.
You actually like working, are you sure you aren't the retarded one?
>>74963309
>only a limited amount of employment opportunities for any fixed amount of humans
Lump of labour fallacy. Learn some basic economics retard. Automation decreases the real cost of products and services and facilitates more consumption. Automation has never caused a secular increase in unemployment. The shift from farms to cities has happened countless times in many time periods in different countries and never caused unemployment. As a matter of fact it raised living standards.
Stop believing everything various marxist shills feed you you braindead fuck
>>74963459
I like programming which happens to be my job. Am I retarded?
>>74961807
>after a lot of the undesirable are deported of course
See, you at least understand that if UBI is to become a thing two things need to happen.
1) Breeding must be selective
2) Not everyone can enter the country
However, leftists will NEVER agree to those terms, so UBI is failed from the start.
>>74962890
>Source? Show how automation causes permanent secular increases in the unemployment rate
How many horses are employed today? All those working animals are out of jobs.
Same thing for niggers. At one time every nigger had a job, now they are sitting at 40% unemployment.
>>74963390
And it's higher than 22 years ago, lower than 7 years ago, but higher than 8 years ago.
My point is that aluminum's price hasn't been falling in a predictable or smooth way at all. it's extremely variable with an average ceiling of about 2300 and floor of 1000.
That's a fuckhuge range for a commodity that's supposedly been falling over time.
>>74963370
Contractor jobs exist in that industry. If you're so devoid of creativity and risk-averse then be some other's company's contractor for a flat fee.
Now backpedal again, squirt.
>>74959175
that fat fuck was trying to write "viva la revolucion"?
>>74963610
>contractor jobs exist in that industry
And? Read my post again. More competition /=/ more demand for labor.
Why would contract work increase in your fantasy world?
>>74963409
left leaning people with college educations far beyond trumps 4 and done joke bachelors.
>>74959750
Wh... What the fuck?
>>74963592
See
>>74959427
Also niggers refuse to work that's not relevant. There are more people employed in America today than ever before
>>74963692
>left leaning people
>doing STEM or learning a trade
Pick one new friend.
>>74963689
Because there is never a shortage of ideaguys.
Keep trying kiddo, you might get me eventually.
>>74962745
I think we'll be much too busy worrying about how to feed 10-15 billion mouths in 50-100 years to focus on such technologies
>>74963337
Industrial robotics don't use much processing power let alone a "massive amount". Further with semi autonomous robots each robot will have a computer running it, no need for some data center to remotely control the robots.
>>74955806
Why the hell would it end capitalism?
>>74963757
That doesn't prove that automation doesn't cause unemployment. The basic logic is, remove all the McDonald's workers, they become poor, and McDonald's owners become richer. You wouldn't care until the unemployed guy stabs you.
>>74959788
Engineering student here, the whole "AI made music meme" is literally a joke among anyone who has done any kind of formal education in AI/machine learning. That music thing was nothing more than a machine that chopped out and regurgitated PRE-encoded music sections according to harmonic rules in music. In fact if anything the music thing is even less impressive when you realise the very logical/mathematical nature of music lends itself to derivative replication. If the machine exhibited any form of strong AI with the speed at which it processes information it should have been programmed to interpret classical music and create NEW genres (i.e. jazz). The whole thing was a sensationalist grab for funding/glory and it worked remarkably well considering how often it is trotted out.
>>74963567
>I like programming which happens to be my job. Am I retarded?
But you would like any job right? That's the statement against lazy retarded people that don't like to to work.
Most people can't be employed in jobs they really like. Most people do jobs that can stand.
>>74963985
>That doesn't prove that automation doesn't cause unemployment
Then why isn't the unemployment rate rising?
>they become poor, and McDonald's owners become richer
My little manlet sandnigger cannot be this dumb. Learn basic economics before posting
>>74963985
>Rare
>>74964056
>it didnt make new genres so it isnt music
newsflash, most popular music is repetitive and derivative.
>>74963868
>there is never a shortage of idea guys
Are you 14? There is no such thing as a demand for idea guys for a shortage to exist in the first place.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/sorry-idea-guy-position-game-industry-david-mullich
>>74963559
Dissolution of wawa
Sheetz wins
>>74964117
>why isn't the unemployment rate rising
We actually have a record high of non-participation in the workforce. So much so that the definition of the unemployment rate had to change.
>>74961613
Value of production by humans have been dropping, at least in northern europe. (Due to poles and Shitskins)
>>74959427
They have a lot of bullshit jobs, like 20 guys holding glowsticks around a roadwork site, though. Good luck trying to get people to waste money on shit like that in the west.
>>74963598
>And it's higher than 22 years ago, lower than 7 years ago, but higher than 8 years ago.
>My point is that aluminum's price hasn't been falling in a predictable or smooth way at all. it's extremely variable with an average ceiling of about 2300 and floor of 1000.
>That's a fuckhuge range for a commodity that's supposedly been falling over time.
The claim was that every commodity was getting more expensive. And yet here we have one that's bucking that trend.
Although we need to expand the graph back further to get a real idea of the price. Back to the start of the industry it was 'expensive' that got cheaper as methods improved then a huge spike during WWII, then a return to normal followed by a steady price drop as electricity became cheap and mining got more efficient.
>>74963757
>Also niggers refuse to work that's not relevant.
Yes it is. They were replaced by machines.
>>74964178
>Ideaguys don't exist
Contractors working for ideaguys is a common practice in the industry, not that you'd know anything about that.
Keep trying.
>tfw got my degrees and training in nuclear after years of suffering in the Navy
>$135,000 a year, three days a week
>>74964117
>then why isn't the unemployment rate rising.
New industries are rising. I get it that it is efficient to automatize and will result in growth but there are extremes. Mcdonalds robots taking over people won't result in human advancement
>dumb sandnigger
Care to explain basic economics, my white greek (kek) friend?
>>74964156
That's because of my aforementioned point, music lends itself to very formulaic rules that allow for you to generate it at an overwhelming speed, the same with novels and movie scripts, just because people make them that doesn't suddenly give them artistic value. But if you follow the pattern of music, which by your tone you seem to think is beneath you, you'll notice that because of trends and very successful individuals who create entirely unique styles/sounds there has been a steady progress in the development of new genres. Unless you honestly think dubstep, pink floyd, coltrane, and scott joplin are all totally derivative of each other and no one between 1900-2010 has contributed anything new to music.
You run that "Lisa" program or whatever for 1000000 years it will generate the same repetitive patterns, its no more a significant "step" in AI than a computer that can generate increasingly large prime numbers.
>>74955806
>artificial intelligence is created
>finally the most demanding, basic needs of production of the society are fulfilled extremely cheaply
>the least of our worries are that low IQ unskilled wageslaves won't be able to afford products despite the incredible reduction of prices that this will result in
>the dindus chimp out and start rioting and stealing products
>capitalists decide it would be easier to let the robots build more robots to produce for them so they would fuck off and live off welfare
:4)
>>74964239
>record high of non-participation in the workforce
Stop making stuff up you are losing all credibility. You know everyone can check those things pretty easilly right?
>>74963923
>Why the hell would it end capitalism?
Because the centralization of capital to the capitalists would end because mass unemployment would force a monetary policy change that would give people purchasing power to people rather than to the banks of the capitalists.
>>74958915
It sparked it actually
>>74964390
>They were replaced by machines
Sounds legit. It's either that or niggers are just too lazy to work. I wonder what's right...
>>74964501
How many women worked in the 1950s?
That we are halfway to a rate when half the population never worked should tell you something.
>>74963459
No I just don't think the large numbers of workers should be taxed to subsidize me sitting on my ass all day
>>74963559
And I explained that was because there had long been more work that needed to be done but couldn't because of the demands of sustenance farming. In the past we had more work than humans could possibly do. In the future, we'll have more humans than we can employ.
I'm not a Marxist, I can just see where the world is going. There's only so much people can consume in their lives. Most of the new demand will be for industries that were also automated. Jobs will be restricted to only creative pursuits and the highest level of intellectual ones.
Population would've declined fairly naturally and it would've been a peaceful transition, but now that the west is being flooded with subhumans I wouldn't count on it. We're exploding the uneducated working class to fuel pyramidal revenue schemes. Most of these people won't be able to adapt. Factories only required brief training. New careers will require years of study and expenses.
>>74964331
>The claim was that every commodity was getting more expensive.
That's wrong, you're right. It just isn't true that commodity prices are always falling over time either.
>>74964398
>Whenever I meet a new group of game production students at The Los Angeles Film School, I ask them what role they want to have in the game industry. Every so often, I get one who says, “I’m really good at ideas. That’s what I want to do in the game industry: be the guy who comes up with the ideas for games, stories and characters.”
>Join the line. At the back. Behind the guy who can draw; the girl who can code; and the ones who can write, plan, create, evaluate, debug, submit and deliver. They’ve all got ideas, too
>Ideas are, as they say, a dime a dozen, and no one is going to pay you to come up with one. What employers and clients pay for is the ability to execute ideas; that is, turning an idea into a finished product, preferably one that is popular enough that it will earn more revenue than it cost to develop.
I'm going to ask again. What causes the increase in contract work in your fantasy world? Where are these idea guys getting funded? Mid-sized companies don't exist anymore. Do you think a hipster with college debt is hiring people on contract work to make his bejeweled clone?
>>74964501
>when women started working, labor participation went up. Take that automation!
Retard.
>>74964501
>unemployment rate didn't rise
>so automation doesn't cause unemployment
>let's go extreme and replace all repetitive jobs.
Dumb logic. Are you considering other factors why employment rate increased? Are you considering what happens if we go full extreme?
It seems like you are using one irrelevant fact, claim that history will repeat itself to prove something.
>>74964430
>Mcdonalds robots taking over people won't result in human advancement
Yes it will. Real cost of Mcdonalds will fall enabling consumption in other areas to emerge. The resources that will be released will be allocated to other sectors increasing real consumption.
Again that's basic economics pic related
>>74964833
>an anecdote about Californian dipshits
Wow, you sure showed me.
>>74964990
>someone who is actually part of the industry explaining the demands companies have of prospective employees
>lolanecdote
What causes the increase in contract work in your fantasy world? Who are the idea guys hiring these contract workers? Where do they get their funding?
Not in our lifetime.
>>74964949
>enabling consumption in other areas to emerge
This is assuming the workforce has capital to spend by being reallocated to undermanned industries.
Where do you think people will work when the transportation industry is almost entirely automated?
>>74964949
I am not an expert in economics but aren't resources released and allocated to other sectors even if you pay the employees?
I'm literally working to replace your job right now, we do image modelling, augmented reality and MMI. We literally teach robots to recognize their work place and what they have to do by cameras and other sensors.
We have a test apparatus for stacking containers and it can not only accurately move containers within say a courtyard to the destination, it can also dodge obstacles, detect and stop before them and find alternate paths to the target. It can also detect impossible destinations and origins. If you ask it to lift a container that it either can't reach or can't lift because it's under another container, it will solve this problem too.
Top 3 lines of work that are going to be replaced by robots first:
- Logistics, think forklifts, moving freight from A to B in an enclosed or private property, smart cars (not the ones you think right now), cranes, shit like that. See above.
- Planes, yes seriously. Modern planes barely need pilot interaction at all, take off speed is programmed, flap settings are programmed, total liftoff weight is known and programmed, fuel is calculated and programmed. The flight computer knows all those things. The take off phase in modern airliners is to push the thrust lever to the takeoff speed position, wait until the rotate speed (the computer knows that one too) and pull back into the rotate, then pull the thrust lever to the climb position at which point it's already autopilot. You then NEVER touch the thrust lever again during the rest of the flight until touchdown.
Freight planes will be the first to be automated, followed by passenger planes.
- Semis and Trucks for transport. They ALREADY work, companies are just waiting for them to be more cost effective than human drivers. The robots will take over the long distance interstate/intercountry travel and go to special depots where a human driver will drive to the final destination within a city. A single human can do the job of 20+ people that way, the rest are robots.
>>74958048
True, so 50% of jobs are safe from automation. Leaving us with just a 50% unemployment rate once it kicks in.
>>74965156
>Who are the idea guys hiring these contract workers?
The people who hypothetically lost their jobs due to automation.
>Where do they get their funding?
Same place all starter businesses get their funding from. Bank loans, personal funding, friends and family, etc.
Keep up, junior.
