Is Atheism a religion?
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>>74951758
No.
If you want to call science and logic a religion, then sure.
I have the feeling that a lot of people become atheist just to feel superior to others
>>74951758
Sure it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeVzvcSCiDM
It's all ideology anyway idk why people get so bent out of shape about labels
>>74951758
It's not but some idiots treat it like one.
>>74951928
>tfw you realize every atheist is mainly against the religion of their parents and mostly ignorant of the others
>>74951758
It's an irreligious cult with all the worst aspects of religious cults.
>>74951758
sort of, because of >>74951928
retards say they're atheist and yet are all sorts of superstitious, which is just as mystical as gawd stuff
Atheism is a religion that will get raped by a agressively expanding religion, like islam
>>74951920
Science and logic have nothing to do with atheism though.
>>74951758
>Religion
Not what atheism is
>>74951920
>science and logic
Not what atheism is
Hello my name is not John.
I do not live in New York.
My hobbies are not picking stamps, not skiing and not listening to rap.
And my religion is atheism.
>>74951920
>repeatedly afirming something wich can not be proved
>not faith
>>74951758
From the perspective of a religious person, the belief that there is nothing sacred, and that all that is unknown can be made known by science and logic, is a religion.
>>74952121
you don't have to know about other religions in order not to believe in theism
Yeah.
And international waters is a country
>>74952191
Well at least we know his religion
>>74952191
Exactly, your religion is not God.
Glad we cleared that up.
>>74951758
>make a short statement in an argument with proper character case and punctuation
>don't provide any explanation to feel superior
>be edgy atheist
>>74951758
Logical Positivist new atheism is a religion
Lack of belief in a god is not
>>74951758
Yes, it is a watered down form of Judaism.
Atheism is the flat denial of a god, not simply an absence of religion.
That's why there's agnostic atheism and agnostic theism. Two very different things.
>>74951758
Define religion first.
>>74952128
>athiesm
>cult
Not what atheism is
>>74952141
>superstition
>atheism
Unrelated to atheism
>>74952203
>the belief that there is nothing sacred, and that all that is unknown can be made known by science
Not what atheism is
Why does /pol/ fail so hard at this?
Behold: atheism the religion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoicism
>>74951758
Unfortunately, for many people it is.
>>74951758
Atheism means a lack of religion
Theism is someone who holds a belief in God
A-theism with the prefix a means that it's the opposite
>>74951758
To the self proclaimed and adamant athiest
Yes they treat atheism as a religion abd are very fanatical about it. Its not about reason or scientific inquiry, it is simply the mindset of "my idology is superior to yours and you are dumb for believing in anything different from myself". Fuckers won't be satisfied until their paradigm is the only one left existing, well at least until Western religions are no longer existing at least.
>>74951920
Could you be any more stereotypical? Science, theology and religion have always been tightly interwoven.
>>74952326
Gnostic atheism and agnostic theism are rare and more retarded than the other two, so we don't usually consider them.
>>74952421
>Could you be any more stereotypical?
right back at you
>>74951758
If your an autist that can't recognize trends and correlations, and instead uses word play and strict, but unrelatable practicality, definitions... Then no.
In the same way the word, "God", takes on a plethora of meanings(not specific to Christanity), as well as the fact there are over 40,000 Christian denominations, but Athiest memes never talk about which one.... So too does the word Athiest imply certain indirect behaviour that could classify it as a belief system.
There are atheist churches in Britain and atheists all over behave as if it's a religion, so yes.
if you are indifferent to religion you are irreligious
if you actively believe there is no god and you wear a fedora and worship dawkins as the messiah you are an atheist
>>74951758
I think of New Atheism more of like a cult
Leftism is their religion
>>74952544
All scotts are drunks: the post
>>74952498
>If your an autist that can't recognize trends and correlations, and instead uses word play and strict, but unrelatable practicality, definitions... Then no.
>hurp durp I'm retarded and I like to make up shit
>>74951758
It's not, but some people treat it like it is.
I personally think religious practices are totally useless except as a soothing action for troubled people, and that religious institutions do more harm than good. But I don't particularly care to attack people over it or constantly proselytize that there's no god.
>>74952647
>scotts
all nigels have tea and scones.
>>74951758
Atheism belongs to the religion of the left. Leftists worship academia. Their saints are professors with names like Cohen, Rabinowitz, and GoldbergShekelstein.
>>74952005
I'm an atheist myself you nigger
>>74951758
no No No NO NO NO NO.
If you disagree.
>>>/reddit/
>>74951758
anarchy is a government type :^)
Anything is better than being an ironic/cultural christian. Only contrarian children now pretend to believe in god.
>>74952740
Just shows how butthurt christians STILL are over the anal destruction they suffered over the past 15 years
No. Atheism is the absence of theism. Theism being the belief in a god or gods defined by an external religious body of work.
Examples of atheism:
>deism
The belief in a non-interventionalist but nevertheless all-powerful creator entity.
>pantheism
The belief in the existence of multiple divine beings each with their own areas of expertise/governance but without particular ordained characteristics.
>antitheism
The positive belief in a lack of any gods or otherwise divine beings.
>>74952688
>I personally
>>74952688
>I don't particularly care
pol is not your personal blog. GTFO my pol, fuckin' normie millennial newfag.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>74952894
>the anal destruction they suffered over the past 15 years
you lost me there, anon. explain yourself
>>74952981
>>the anal destruction they suffered over the past 15 years
>you lost me there, anon. explain yourself
Rise of dawkins and new atheists trolled the fuck out of christians everywhere. Christians still mad about god being compared to santa clause
Atheism is not believing in any religion, theism is believing in a religion. Therefore atheism is not a religion. There's no need to find other retarded sub-ideologies such as agnostic-theism or whatever.
If anyone uses logic for a second, they'll know the answer. It's unbelievable that you guys are still discussing it.
>>74953065
Either b8 or someone who doesn't get out much
>>74951758
>tfw used to watch and enjoy this guys videos
Now he's a liberal cuck. Feels bad, man.
>>74952666
Words evolve over time anon. Insisting that simply because the classical term "Athiest" means a lack of Gods, does not mean it is not a religion.
Theism Is a theory, it is in no way dependent on following one religion or another(some Relgions don't have Gods you know ;) ). Yet it is correlated with religion by yourself and others.
So to, has Athiesm become correlated with a certain dogma of beliefs as Theism has.
But I don't expect you understand this, cause once again autism.
In simple practical talks atheism is not a religion, but if you wanna get fancy "hurrrr murrrrr i want cock" you need to look from a philosophical point of view and understand what religion exactly means. Atheism is not organized religion. Atheists in fact strive to stay away from it.
>>74951758
Asserts claims which cannot be directly proved, gather the books of idolized figures and spread their words as the truth. Will defend their belief that there are no gods, will spin this statement into "it's not a belief that there is no god, it's a lack of belief" >muh spin. they will Deny that other people could be right, that superiority complex that comes with religion. has a symbol which they have requested to be put up at the 9-11 monument because muh seperation of church and state
it's a religion. because the people who follow the ideals made it into one.
>>74953078
>If anyone uses logic for a second
Conundrum - religious people cannot properly do this :^)
>>74953216
That's why it's not a religion, it's an ideology.
Well, it can be. Jainism is a religion but it's an atheist one. I'd say that there's been hints of something like that forming in society regarding militant atheists.
>>74952906
No, britbong, that's why your country is being overrun by Third Worlders -- because you're totally clueless and naively innocent about the sinister workings of the jew.
Helpful Hint: Atheism is the dogma of the left and they use it to demoralize and indoctrinate young impressionable white children with self-loathing white guilt.
Rejecting the religion, culture and traditions of your ancestors is critical to our plan if we're going to blur the definition of gender and encourage kids to embrace sexual deviancy, muh weed, muh fag marriage, and blanda upp race-mixing beastiality.
>>74953196
It's absolutely true. The ideological flame war rages on to this day. I doubt they'll ever get over it.
Atheism is obviously not a religion. Any moron can see that. This thread is just B8
>>74952351
>unrelated
it's not unrelated when their superstitions equate to divine intervention and boil down to a god. derple.
Technically no, but it's practically become one. Which is part of why I call it a religion.
>>74953383
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontheistic_religions
>>74951817
Finland with yellow id tag.
i think it suits you.
The way some Athiests act you would think so, it's not inherently, but some Athiests are as bad or worse then christ cucks.
>>74953397
What the fuck are you even talking about lmao
Retarded illuminati fanboys like you always talk like there's a purpose behind things that are "corrupt", such as TV, smartphones, or new ideologies. Seriously grow the fuck up you autistic manchild.
>>74953521
you once again proved that you're super autistic, it has nothing to do with what I said
Atheism is denying both creator and religion, so religions without gods are irrelevant.
It's impossible to be an atheist and overall happy. I have tried it.
>>74953397
Sorry, but marxism is just as much as a religion as your preferred flavour of cuckstianity.
>Christ is a new man. The new man is the soviet man. Therefore, Christ is a soviet man.
-Patriarch Justinian Marina
European traditions predate and have survived Christian purgation and will only continue to do so as long as we resist all forms of Judaism.
>>74952351
>Not what atheism is
Oh really.
Explain the perpetual denunciation sessions for non-(non-believers).
Explain the unabashed elitism that allows someone as autistic and lowly as Amazing Atheist to imagine he is superior to believers.
Explain this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAo_rEgR4xU
Perhaps you are right. It's theoretically possible to be atheist without being a cultist, but there can be no denying there are many prominent atheists who are in fact cultists.
I suggest you familiarize yourself with the tell-tail signs of cult-like behavior.
Google is a thing, you know.
>>74953701
If your life has no other meaning, then sure.
I haven't been happier though
>>74953701
Actually, it's only possible to be happy, or at least content, when you reject theism. Liberty is the summum bonum and true liberty is impossible under an imaginary celestial dictatorship.
>>74953401
>Atheism is obviously not a religion
>>74953383
>it's not a religion, it's an ideology.
>>74953242
>atheism is not a religion
>>74953078
>atheism is not a religion
>>74953065
>atheists trolled the fuck out of christians
>>74952906
>Atheism is the absence of theism
>>74952775
>I'm an atheist
>>74952688
>religious practices are totally useless
>>74952401
>Atheism means a lack of religion
>>74952326
>there's agnostic atheism and agnostic theism
Atheism is a tool of the left used for controlling the minds of idiot college kids. Jews push this shit to encourage promiscuity, race-mixing, homosexuality, tranny degeneracy, and many other ways of rejecting of social norms and moral values.
>>74953401
atheism is not a religion but Atheism is.
>>74951758
This is why I don't say I'm an atheist
>>74951758
Atheism is the absence of believe in higher deities aka in religion(s). Ergo no.
theist/pol/lacks can go suck a nut if they don't like it.-
>>74953701
Well, if there's one thing that we can take comfort in, it's that we can arbitrarily improve our lives just by makebelieving the things that trouble us away.
>>74952906
>Atheism is the absence of theism
Maybe
>proceeds to appropriate examples of Theism as Atheism
Then its not Atheism faggot that's Agnosticism. Atheism is the rejection of Theism, the conclusion and upholding there is no metaphysical entity.
>>74953903
Yet you, as a christian, quite literally worship a cuckold born of cuckolding. Do go on about how atheism is degenerate though.
>>74953903
Retarded illuminati fanboys like you always talk like there's a purpose behind things that are "corrupt", such as TV, smartphones, or new ideologies. Seriously grow the fuck up you autistic manchild.
>>74953856
You've obviously never had anyone close to you pass away. To know they are in heaven is the greatest feeling and relief of all.
>>74953745
What you're recognizing is group dynamics. When one group attacks another group, the members of both groups get pushed closer together. They become allies.
Of course, being allies or enemies based on a category isn't a religion.
Although it is a sign of a group.
Of course it's a religion. Just look at its high priests: pope neil degrasse tyson, bishop michio kaku, cardinal bill nye the science cuck, and we can't forget Saint Sagan (may his fedora never stop tipping).
>>74951758
No but most atheists are as idiotic as the religious extremists they gain ego boosts from.
>>74953994
>Then its not Atheism faggot that's Agnosticism. Atheism is the rejection of Theism, the conclusion and upholding there is no metaphysical entity.
Please, stop.
Agnosticism isn't a middle-man/mutually-exclusive; and [rational] Atheism doesn't uphold that there is no "metaphysical entity" because it's impossible to prove/disprove -- thus, making such a claim is nonsensical since it's objective.
>>74953903
Those societal norms are the end all be all REEEEEEEEEE.
>>74954006
cuckold is a husband of adulterous wife
not child born of adultery
get your memes figured out ahmed
>>74953994
Agnosticism is an admission of doubt. It's not a theological position and never will be. Keep calling yourself agnostic because you're afraid of anonymous people on the internet calling you names though.
None of the examples I mentioned have an official body of theology; the necessary and sufficient condition for a theism.
>>74953673
Your playing into my argument now.
>The word atheism comes from the Greek language. It can be divided into a- (ἄ), a Greek prefix meaning "without", and theos (θεός), meaning "god", and recombined to form "without gods" or "godless". In Ancient Greece it also meant "impious".
The orginal meaning simply meant, no God(s). Nothing to do with religion, that was tacked on as the word evolved(as stated before, Athiesm* has evolved into a religion).
The Hindus(which was just a collection of differing ideas) orginal Buddhism had no God, but instead a set of certain beliefs. They were a religion.
A Christian considers what they practice, not just another "religion", but infact the truth.
Athiesm(and numerous implied beliefs that come with that) easily qualifies as a Religion, a Relgion they consider "truth".
>b-but it really is the truth!
If only 1 statement about the implied* beliefs of a Athiest*, is proven wrong(which it has happened before), then ARE INFACT A RELGION.
>>74953401
>Atheism is obviously not a religion
it most certainly is atheism is not the disbelief in religion, its the disbelief in a supernatural god, and religion does not equal the belief in a god. Religion can be any organized ideology which is held fervently by its followers. In that regard atheism( as practiced by the adamant atheists) can most certainly cataloged as such.
Also Christians are almost certainly upset not at the immature comparisons made by 15 year old atheists online comparing their God to Santa Claus, but rather the atheists crusade in whipping out any and all traces of Christian culture ingrained into western civilization (i.e. telling state institutions to remove nativity scenes during Christmas, or the more recent case of trying to remove the imagery of a catholic from the seal of Los Angeles despite its historic importance)
>>74951758
Yeah, they worship the government as a God.
On average of course, not every Atheist is like this but most are.
>>74951758
can the absence of spaghetti be considered a pasta?
There are two things that atheists all have in common:
>they don't take the notion of deities seriously
>they hate each other just as much as they hate theists
>>74951758
>Is Atheism a religion?
Not the way I play it.
>>74951758
I don't even want to be an atheist. It's not a choice, I just can't help not believing.
If I had to describe myself, I'd probably even forget to mention that I'm an atheist, and if I didn't forget, I'd also add that I'm culturally Christian.
>>74954162
Joseph, who you worship as a saint, was cuckolded by YHWH, who you worship as a god, into giving birth to a man, who you believe is also YHWH, who was cuckolded by the Jews through two millennia of lying and lecherous 'theology'.
>>74954085
using religious memes
Is atheism a system of belief? Yes?
It's a religion.
Ever notice how atheists are quick to criticize every other religion but never criticize islam? Atheism is a subset of islam meant for muslims' slaves.
Thus it is no surprise only the lowest dregs of humanity consider themselves atheist.
>>74954256
>He thinks the war on Christmas has anything to do with atheists
You're looking under the wrong kippah, friend.
>>74954142
>You're wrong because that's not my special snowflake brand of Atheism
Recognition of the divine/metaphysical/all powerful instantly puts you in the Agnostic camp.
Atheists are at the end of the day anti-theists by simple reason they do not accept the possibility of the existence of the non-physical.
>>74951758
It is. Atheism is a believe in absense of deities.
Agnosticism is a position of actual unbelief.
>>74954389
>Is atheism a system of belief?
I don't believe it is.
>>74952906
>Atheism is the absence of theism
No it fucking isn't. The fact that the word atheism sounds like the word theism is basically a coincidence. The etymologies of the two words are unrelated except that they both ultimately derive from the greek word Theos. But they were invented independently. The word atheism actually predates the word theism by a century.
>The term "atheism" originated from the Greek ἄθεος (atheos), meaning "without god(s)", used as a pejorative term applied to those thought to reject the gods worshiped by the larger society.
>>74951758
atheism is a spiritual belief. atheists still have spiritual beliefs. atheism is a religion.
>>74954275
well, they believe that there is no spaghetti, but its still acknowledging that spaghetti is pasta.
>>74954338
christians do not worship saints
>>74951758
Atheism is a religion that denies the existence of God or a Maker / Creator. That is all there is to it.
>>74951758
It's a religion without a dogma.
>freethinker society
>communists
etc. They share the world view, but not values.
The world view is cancer, by the way.
>>74954409
>Ever notice how atheists are quick to criticize every other religion but never criticize islam?
No, because I do every goddamn day.
>>74951758
Is baldness a haircut?
>>74951758
sure why not. its the religion of peace. we can just columbus that shit and muslims can be crazy goat fuckers. every one wins
>>74954338
REKT
>>74951758
Atheism isn't supposed to be a religious, it's supposed to be a lack of belief in a god or gods. The problem is in places like America liberals have hijacked the name to push a feminist, racial, homosexual, transgender and other SJW agenda.
I've been an atheist my whole life, never believed for a second. These people have ruined the word to the extent I don't want to be identified with them. It's not a fucking ideology and they've turned it into one.
>>74954142
This logical fallacy...
If something is impossible to prove, it's usually just disproven, automatically.
The only reason religions are not being disproven in seconds is because there are too many people believing in them.
Other than religions, every "fact" gets shit on immediately if it can't be proven.
Before you say, even bigbang theory is not and never was considered a fact, it's just a theory. Many atheists doesn't believe it because there simply aren't any proofs for it.
>>74954231
The fact that beliefs of atheists can be proven wrong is exactly why it's not a religion. Religion cannot be proved wrong according to their rules because they are dogmas.
>>74954389
go throw that brain into a trashcan
>>74954409
I'm Turkish and I'm not only Atheist but also Islamophobic
>>74954512
Good analogy.
>>74954266
You are being silly. If anything an atheist would lean towards annti establishmrnt or anarchy. 'Worshiping the government' indeed
>>74954421
Agnosticism has nothing to do with that you believe, only with whether or not you're certain that what you believe is true. You can be an agnostic Christian or an agnostic atheist.
>>74954492
I'm sorry but the vast majority of Christians do, indeed, worship saints.
Ok I've got a counter argument for atheism being s religion.
atheism is not a religion, my proof?
>all atheists have autism.
>autism is not a religion.
So we come to the conclusion that:
>atheism is autism.
>atheism is a mental birth defect.
>>74951928
No, it's mostly because others are atheists.
The higher ups / elites became atheists because it allows them to be degenerate and irresponsible.
The lower classes became atheists because communist agitators told them to be such, and the middle class became atheist because they copy the elites or the plebs.
>>74954256
>Religion can be any organized ideology which is held fervently by its followers. In that regard atheism( as practiced by the adamant atheists) can most certainly cataloged as such.
What's the organized ideology?
The canadian above posted a link to a bunch of atheistic religions that have completely different ideologies.
"I don't believe in god" isn't a religion any more than "i believe in the right to self defense" is a religion.
>Also Christians are almost certainly upset not at the immature comparisons made by 15 year old atheists online comparing their God to Santa Claus, but rather the atheists crusade in whipping out any and all traces of Christian culture ingrained into western civilization (i.e. telling state institutions to remove nativity scenes during Christmas, or the more recent case of trying to remove the imagery of a catholic from the seal of Los Angeles despite its historic importance)
I pretty much agree with you here. Although I think it was a combination of the two.
>>74954548
>Go throw that brain into a trashcan
I'll throw it in Turkey and accomplish the same thing you fucking Ottoman rape baby. Reconquest of Constantinople when??
>>74951812
reddit fag confirmed, caught using reddit tactics
>>74951928
How do you "become" atheist if its not a belief? Wouldn't your model assume by default people are "atheist" and convert?
I'm religious atheist.
Kek is so omnipotent that he can both exist and not exist simultaneously.
>>74954578
no, you honor saints or venerate or whatever
you worship god
it's not equivalent
Atheism is a mental illness linked to autism.
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>>74954409
ever notice how many religious people like this guy make all of their points by "muh feelings" instead of by facts?
>>74954548
And yet we still have Communist Marxists like you running around, trying the failed State experiment, over and over again.
>but I'm not a Leftist!
And not all Christian denominations believe in God.
Yet because the majority do, that's considered a given.
>>74954177
>Official body of Theology
Theism is not the exclusivity of organised religion.
>>74954548
>Before you say, even bigbang theory is not and never was considered a fact, it's just a theory. Many atheists doesn't believe it because there simply aren't any proofs for it.
You're confusing the scientific and lay definitions of theory. The big bang is a theory in the scientific sense; it's a collection of ideas that fit the current evidence and may be used to make testable predictions about the universe.
>>74954705
>discussing systems of beliefs using facts
This is why atheists are retarded.
>>74953701
Not an argument, your life just sucks.
>>74954635
Hahaha the fact that you think I'd get offended is funny. I don't care about this shithole of a country so don't bother
>>74954663
atheism is the belief that there is no god.
it implies faith, and therefore is a religion.
>>74953903
>rejecting of social norms and moral values
>not catholicism
Your cuck pope wouldn't agree, nor would the kike you worship.
>>74954780
I am not discussing systems of belief.. im saying he made a claim clearly not backed by facts (the claim that atheists protect islam)
Only smart thing Maher ever said
>>74954694
If you believe it's divine and ask it to do your dirty work before bed how can you be considered to not be worshiping it?
>>74954578
Latria-exclusive to God
Dulia-exclusive to Saints
>>74954808
fuck that pagan...and fuck stupid ass atheists.
>>74954770
People usually associate atheism with big bang theory that's why I felt like saying that.
>>74954829
No one except atheists have ever whined about "islamophobia". They're cucks.
>>74954853
>ask it to do your dirty work
have you ever prayed a day in your life?
>>74954917
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60
>>74954745
It really is. If you've got a body of theological work you've got a theism.
>>74954802
Do you also still believe in Santa Claus because you don't have the necessary evidence to disprove his existence?
>>74954917
I'm not only an atheist but also Islamophobic.
>>74954873
>ad hominem
Keep worshiping lies and dead jews.
To everyone above me: science and religion are compatible because they answer different questions.
Religion (of any kind) seeks to explain who we are and what our purpose is. Science looks for physical explanations of how the world works.
There's no reason the two can't be compatible with each other.
>>74954929
>>74954988
>baww I've been exposed so I better make up lies!
spoken like a true atheshit
>>74954576
>Mexican Intellectuals
Agnosticism is very much relevant to what you believe. If you are certain of your belief then you are implying you are certain of your belief and there can be no implication to the contrary.
But if say you are uncertain in your unbelief. You are implicitly acknowledging you do not subscribe to unbelief merely you are uncertain of what/who to believe in.
>>74954917
>No one except atheists have ever whined about "islamophobia". They're cucks.
Why do you guys refuse to research your positions? Is it because you make all of your arguments by "muh feels"?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-mevorach/muhammad-as-spirit-of-tru_b_9389642.html
https://newrepublic.com/article/108856/growing-christian-movement-pushing-back-against-islamophobia
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2015/0729/Moving-beyond-suspicion-Muslims-and-Evangelicals-seek-common-ground
https://www.paulist.org/the-conversation/how-can-christians-respond-to-islamophobia/
>>74951928
Possible.
But I know that I've had this reaction face since the first time I was ever introduced to the notion of an eternal ghostly figure lurking over a universe of his own creation and being frustrated with the irony inherent to it.
And back in the early 90's, there was no internet around to find people who thought that shit was absurd, so I actually believed that "atheists" were people who were deceived by Satan. Since the notion of Satan seemed just as ridiculous, I wasn't aware that my reaction to this horseshit was called "atheism" until I discovered a religious debate community on Yahoo! chat when I was 16 years old.
>>74955054
Have I been exposed? Haha
Doesn't it make sense that I'm Islamophobic? I live in Turkey.
>>74954575
That's what would be logical but I just don't see it in my day to day life. Most "strong" atheists I know are actually socialists and progressives.
http://ffrf.org/images/SURVEYMONKEY.pdf
Then there was the whole Communism thing.
>>74955028
False, religion is belief based on nothing, science is based on experiments that can be repeated and so proven, also theories.
>>74954924
No, because I prefer to act instead of asking my imaginary friends to act for me.
If you pray for actions in the material world you are, by definition, asking your imaginary friend to do your dirty work. Not many christians, by my estimate, pray to Saint Theresa to fight harder in the war against the devil.
>>74954953
santas exists in that each and every christmas, parents choose to give their children gifts, telling their kids that it wasnt them who gave it to them.
>>74955028
this. science without religion lacks direction. religion without science lacks reason.
>>74955054
the liberals you hate also hate the atheists you hate.
http://www.salon.com/2015/09/23/extremism_islamophobia_and_taking_new_atheists_seriously_how_liberals_can_critique_fundamentalism_while_avoiding_xenophobia/
http://www.salon.com/2013/03/30/dawkins_harris_hitchens_new_atheists_flirt_with_islamophobia/
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/why-us-non-believers-must-reject-islamophobic-new-atheism-397694650
>>74951758
Well it's all just Abrahamic religion sans YHWH, they're universalist as fuck and try to force a form of objective morality on everyone so yes. They're a kike based religion.
>>74951758
Is bald a hair style?
>>74955158
https://www.vice.com/print/new-atheism-needs-to-get-out-of-its-old-rut
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/apr/03/sam-harris-muslim-animus
http://theislamicmonthly.com/new-atheists-and-the-same-old-islamophobia/
>>74955028
>To everyone above me: science and religion are compatible because they answer different questions.
That's true for some religions, I guess; but there's usually some overlap.
Metaphysics is the rightful place of religion... But in practice it spills over into making predictive claims on reality.
>>74954853
saints are not divinve in christian theology and prayers to saints are pretty rare these days
>>74955028
The non-overlapping magsteria hypothesis would be nice if religion could keep its paws out of matters of the material world. Unfortunately I know of no example where this has ever happened.
>>74955221
Probably the most apt answer here.
>>74955122
>religion is belief based on nothing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJu0oYvi-cY
pic related to the overall feel of this thread
>>74952098
This. Atheism is to religion as being bald is to have a hair style. Idiots like this guy (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/30/we-can-save-atheism-from-the-new-atheists) think it's ok to co-opt it with other beliefs (leftist nonsense) that are completely unrelated. See Rebecca Watson for details.
>>74955125
what is "faith"? if god doesnt exist, and we ask them to do our "dirty work", and it comes to frutiion, then we brought it to fruition ourselves.
that being said, clearly you have never prayed, because you think people ask god to dumbass shit like you claimed.
youre a dumbass ignorant faggot.
>>74955122
proven until its disproven, or you find evidence that proves your structures wrong.
science is literally just a guess until you find out its wrong. none of our models have remained unchanged since their birth.
>>74954606
>"I don't believe in god" isn't a religion any more than "i believe in the right to self defense" is a religion.
its different in the sense that many people make being atheists a central aspect of their lives. It is a paradigm that they hold as the absolute truth, and see everyone else's view as wrong. It has nothing to do with scientific inquiry, because even though the existence of a supernatural God can not be proven, the lack of existence also can not be proven. Imagine if a group of people rallied behind the belief that Black holes don't exist(in a time where we lacked the equipment to observe them). There is no way to prove they exist, but also no way to prove they don't, but the lack of evidence is strong enough in the eyes of these people that they promote their view point as the only sound and true view their is.
Here lies the religious fervor that many modern day atheist hold. Their ideology is sacred and infallible. They hold their disbelief in God as a personal gospel and surround themselves with like minded individuals, making atheism a crucial if not key component of their everyday life.
>>74954726
This is a valid argument by the way.
70% plus of Athiests are Socialist/Commies.
>>74951758
It isn't, but some retards make it so, with a symbol, prophets, dogmatic texts and zealousy. These people in no way represent atheism as a phenomenon, which is not believing in gods and reject religion.
>>74955221
If bald people went to 'bald hair conventions', were very keen on insulting every haired person and wanted everybody to shave their heads, baldness would be a religion just like atheism.
>>74955342
>See Rebecca Watson for details.
Looking up Atheism+ and PZ Myers will show how badly the word was hijacked as well.
>>74955397
>These people in no way represent atheism as a phenomenon
They do exactly that. Perhaps they do not fulfill the definition of atheism?
>>74951758
It is a religion because saying so triggers them so it is a religion, period.
>>74955402
So feminism is a religion?
>>74955402
Most atheists never go to meetups with atheists or participate in atheist communities, but you've already shown to make all of your arguments from "muh feels" instead of facts
>>74955466
by your definition, people who are Christians are not part of a religion
>>74955121
What do you mean the whole communism thing? The government of the USSR was allied to the Orthodox church from the beginning, North Koreans, Chinese and Cubans literally worship a dead man. Fascism, too, has been historically allied with religion.
>>74955367
its a belief that changes their behavior towards their fellow man. it is a religion.
they have faith in the belief that there is no god. so not only does it effect their behaviour, but it also utilizes faith.
>>74955475
yes. its effects behaviour, and involves the belief that the spirit of women is on par, or superior, to the spirit of men.
>>74951758
Is being irreligious the same as being religious?
Fucking meme needs to die.
>>74955363
What was your last prayer for, then?
>>74955402
By this definition, any form of fanaticism at all would count as a religion.
>>74955475
another leftist cult
Non agnostic atheism is a faith, yes.. that is, being sure no gods exist
>>74955555
QUINT FIVES OF TRUTH
QUINT FIVES OF TRUTH
QUINT FIVES OF TRUTH
QUINT FIVES OF TRUTH
QUINT FIVES OF TRUTH
QUINT FIVES OF TRUTH
>>74955377
>70% plus of Athiests are Socialist/Commies
Well, I would like to point out most of those are Chinks, who dont really have a choice in being commies
>>74955303
>man gets cucked
>says god impregnated his wife
>naive finns still believe this
We call them laws of nature, as they cannot be broken, plain and simple. If you can prove it by an repeatable experiment, then be my guest, break the laws of nature, prove that "outside" force. Untill then, don't spread such lies.
in murica atheism is a religion, for the rest of us atheism is just atheism
>>74951758
Atheism is faith or belief in an unprovable answer just like religion, but religion is more specific.
>>74951758
Atheism can become a culture, but it's not a religion.
>>74951758
No but many of it's proponents defend it with great religious fervor.
>>74952121
>tfw you realize every theist thinks their own religion is the only true one and is ignorant about all the others
Look I can make stupid fucking generalizations too!
>>74955671
Asking you to defend your claims is not defending anything
>>74955558
i was thankful for the day and the weather and the oppurtunities and struggles ive been given and to watch over my family, my loved ones, our friends and their families
>>74955482
>muh feels
Rather, the cults surrounding Dawkins and Internet forums, the Don Quijotes slaying Straw gods. The atheists who vigorously defend their religion in online forums, but keep lubricating their anus for Muslims - or are nowhere to be seen when things need defending.
I'm going to use baldness as an example.
>Final fantasy hairstyles are so horrible
>Yeah, it is better to be bald than to have hair!
>>4955670
cult*
>>74955527
I don't even remember typing out that last sentence but okay.
That's not what I grew up learning at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist_atheism
>>74955742
I dont respect you, so i wouldnt expect you to respect me
>>74955715
>The day
Material
>The weather
Material
>Family
Material
>Loved ones
Material
>>74955571
Essentially, yes.
>>74955598
Now, what kind of religion do you follow? Repeating numbers are proof?
>>74955319
Both are inferior.
No but it was going to be one
http://www.atheistrev.com/2013/10/what-atheism-could-have-been.html?m=1
>>74955609
Nah bro. We're talking Red, White and Blue. So you can be sure it's even higher globally.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DsQunA6Vndg
>>74955617
If your arguments or beliefs had merit, perhaps you wouldn't challenge straw men?
>>74955798
and this is why your atheism is nothing but hate. youre a faggot and deserve everything you dish out.
Most mass murderers are atheist.
>>74955713
Dualism is literally religion yet nearly every atheist I've met relies on it.
>>74955886
i dont respect HIM - he's acting like a jerk
>>74955363
>proven until its disproven
Religion is yet to be proven, lies in books are not proofs. There are things we call laws and theories, try to learn what each means. Science proves it's things by having experiments, which can be repeated, such things are called laws, like newton's laws. Go ahead, try to break one of newton's laws, it's not possible. Religion on the other hand has and never can be proven, as you cannot prove a negative (a lie).
>>74955466
Cool, well at least we know you're just trolling.
Then again, I don't think there are any actual religious people on 4chan. I don't even think anyone other than young children and people with a IQ of <100 take this crap seriously.
>>74951758
>0 is a number
Daily reminder that every atheist you know has no moral compass and could snap at any minute.
Atheists need to be bullied out of their cultist mindset.
>>74955892
>Dualism is literally religion yet nearly every atheist I've met relies on it.
So according to you, the average person belongs to thousands and thousands of religions?
A religion for every belief?
>>74955875
>If your arguments or beliefs had merit
>gives video that focuses on one thing as example
>calls straw men
wew lad, damage control.
>>74955892
Explain pls? Are you referring to the separation of mind and body?
>>74955974
>could snap at any minute
>needs to be bullied
You're not too bright.
>>74955974
>finn
>morals
kek
>>74951758
Most atheists worship the government, so I'd say that's accurate
>>74956051
not an argument
Atheism is communism lite and its logical conclusion is gulags.
>>74955598
Checked good sir. 5 on the 5.
>>74955555
>>74951758
Ayy I used to watch Nerdcubed. Pretty sure he's quite the leftist, or was.
>>74956119
>not imperial cult
Come on.
>>74955984
To some extent you're right. Most "religious" people are merely atheists of one fewer god than atheists.
>>74951758
I fucking hate atheism. A decade or two after it takes root in a country and Christianity starts to fall, the bastards embrace fucking Islam. Now Muslims are even the most rising demographic in Europe.
Atheism goes hand in hand with the post-modern progressivism bullshit pushing the multiculturalism, globalistic, Jew agenda after they weaken the country's religion, tradition, and culture.
Remember when Sweden was the atheistic capital of the world? Now it's sand nigger land. Fuck atheists, bane of the fucking west
>>74955936
your laws are based on religious belief. your belief system is one of pirvilege on the back of religion.
the bible is a historical narrative. its been proven time and time again to be factual. the writers existed. their claims maybe be purely subjective, but the fact is, these people all existed.
your science gets disproven every 50 or so years. maybe ultra-generalized statements about gravitational laws is on par with religion. its so generalized it cant be disproven.
seriously, youre so ignorant, its kind of funny.
proving once again, athiests heads are so far up their ass, they see the light, they just dont realize it.
what happens when you die?
>>74956119
all communist states had cult of leader so they weren't exactly atheist
Fuck Religion, and Fuck Atheism
Both movements should fucking die anyway.
I just left religion because I am sick of the bullshit going on in our world. Atheists are just as bad because they act smug and pompous about being against "Muh Sky Daddy" as they call it.
Fuck them both. We have far bigger things to worry about that bullshit like that now.
>>74951758
Atheism is the easiest religion to bait
>>74956028
There is no unseen or spirit world and we've been able to prove for over a century but it's still used by practically every atheist as a predefined confinement strawman.
Religious people do it constantly as well though but on the other end of the argument.
>>74951758
no its not a religion.
jesus how fucking dumb do you have to be to think it is
>>74956270
>I just left religion because I am sick of the bullshit going on in our world
So you're an atheist. Nice argument mr smug muh sky daddy fedora loser.
>>74956046
Our very societies moral have been shaped by religion for centuries.
Look at societies that developed isolated and independent from our own cultural beliefs.
To say that religion has played a key role in shaping our modern day morals is being willfully ignorant
>>74956211
I can get behind this
>>74956239
You're right. I guess religious people are slightly less religious than atheists. Never thought of it that way.
>>74955742
pretty decent trolling fin.
clearly enslaving, murdering or beating other people is the same thing as not believe in superheroes.
>>74956270
Careful with that edge Mr. "I believe in a higher power".
>>74951758
Yes it is. And an edgy one at that. Terrible people in general aswell.
>>74956302
well, i consider myself an atheist, and agree there is no spiritual world and that mind and body are not separate
the idea of ghost in the machine is contrary to provable scientific findings
>>74955742
but senpai, all of the bottom pictures imply the speaker is grossly violating the rights and freedoms of others, while the top speaker just wants to be left alone. Do you really not see the difference? I guess I just took the bait, didn't I :D
>>74956307
to believe that man can deduct the truth of relaity through observation and experimentation is the belief that man can control the world around him, makign your belief and faith in science, one of religion.
get the fuck over yourself and use soem critical thinking.
atheists are dumb as shit.
>>74955869
If this was true, then right wingers would never win here in elections, since +80% of Czechs are atheists. Also the most atheistic parts of country are the right wing strongholds, while rural religious parts vote left.
>>74956460
>"i love soccer"
>"i dont."
>"so not loving soccer is your religion."
thats you.
>>74955936
>Try to break one of newtons laws, it's not possible
That's what we thought until quantum mechanics happened. It turns out you CAN break them on a small enough scale of time and space.
Scientific laws are not absolute. They're just the best idea we have. Relativity and quantum mechanics could be wrong. It's the nature of science
>>74955999
You didn't understand the point C.S Lewis was making.
'Outside interference' is as scientific as we can get to naming it. It is simply stating that outside forces can interact with our world, and we can't exactly predict them via arithmetics.
>it has to be proven!
Genesis 5, translate the names in order, from Adam to Noah.
>it has to be proven via scientific method, a method which (by definition) is unable to prove it
>>74956256
>your laws are based on religious belief
>newton's laws are a religion.
kek
>its been proven time and time again
It's been change time and time again.
>your science gets disproven every 50 or so years
What law got disproven in the last 50 years? Don't post a hypothesis or theory, post a law that got broken.
>what happens when you die
You die, the end. Ask people that have died and got defibrilated back to life.
You seem so ignorant, it's quite sad, it's like talking to a sjw, he won't give up his belief, that it must be true, even if it has been proven the opposite side is correct, time and time again.
>>74956522
religion is based on faith. i got zero fucking faith for science.
i want hard facts and truths. objective shit. not "well some retard maybe wrote this down 2000 years ago and therefore its true because everything that is written down must be true lolololo"
>>74956522
>babby's first confrontation with solipsistic thought
>>74956561
not loving soccer doesn't require faith in not loving soccer
>>74956593
>What law got disproven in the last 50 years?
Quantum physics replace Einsteinian physics (theory of relativity), which replaced Newtonian physics..
>>74951920
tips le fedora
>>74956356
>Our very societies moral have been shaped by religion for centuries.
True, no denying that. But we have laws, tradition and culture that can replace that. Even christians didn't follow the religious laws, you should have turned the other cheek when the muslims invaded, instead you did the opposite of what your religion told you. Even now, look at what your very own pope is trying to do, religion has become worthless now, it works against our national interests, it's a tool that can and is being used against us.
>>74951758
Depends on how you define either of those words. It's the same mental gymnastics going on here than the feminists have when they define being sent mean tweets as actual physical violence.
It's like words don't even matter to anyone who supports progressivism and can be twisted to mean anything.
>>74956473
Absolutely if there is a god it is 100% observable and anything else is already a lost argument yet on both sides of the coin whether you're using it as a strawman for someone else to fit their god within the falsified confine or for the believer to use it to hide what they consider unobservable.
>>74956702
regardless of your lack of understanding of your own comment, because they arent beliefs, they can be replaced.. anyone that denies new proof is retarded
>>74956649
So if something hasn't been deduced through the scientific method it can't be objective and/ or true?
>Sweden
>yes
>>74956522
>It's silly to believe we can know the truth beyond our capabilities
>Therefore you should believe in god(s) because we can't know
Surely you don't think this way.
>>74951758
Atheism isn't a religion any more than theism is a religion. Both are simply belief systems, saying I believe or do not believe that God exists. There are no traditions, rituals, etc. involved; at best it's just a type of spirituality.
That said, atheism is able to not be a belief depending on how one defines it. If you say it's a lack of a belief then you aren't making any concrete statements either way.
Socially, pop-atheism acts like a religion similar to communism and 3rd wave feminism do. However, that's mostly due to the autism of the followers.
tl;dr yes
>>74951758
Theism is a religion. It's a believe without evidence (just faith) that there is a god. It has a claim, and the burden of proof lies with them.
Agnosticism is not a religion. It's a lack of believe that there is or is not a god. It has no claim, and the burden of proof lies with others.
Atheism is a religion. It's a believe without evidence (just faith) that there is not a god. It has a claim, and the burden of proof lies with them.
It's quite simple.
>>74956649
You have faith there is no God.... Since you have no hard proof for it.
>>74956857
you did the meme! well done!
are all religious people so creative?
>>74956815
>But we have laws, tradition and culture that can replace that
We also have this
>>74956858
>faith and/or speculation
>knowledge
>>74951758
it's true
>>74951758
>turning the tv off is a tv channel
>not playing playstation is a playstation game
>not collecting stamps is a hobby
>not participating in any sport is a sport
>>74956815
>But we have laws, tradition and culture that can replace that.
That's what we fear. All of /pol/ dislikes the idea that sjws get to change them.
But that's what happens when standards are changed to 'empathy' or 'instinct' only. Oh wait, there is bureaucracy as well.
The most popular, the most cunning, the most wealthy. Those get their way now. There is strength in masses, so the most organized also get their will.
This means feminists, sjws, Muslims, jews.
>>74956901
do you understand what faith is?
>>74956939
Go ask your Muslim boyfriend
>>74956674
>solipsistic
bork bork bork, mental gymnastics to prove something false bork bork bork, philosophy means jack shit.
>>74956649
>i want hard facts and truths
based on what? on what you know? how do you know a claim is factual? what do you compare it to?
i know for a fuckign fact that not only have you never read the bible, but you dont know anything about the claim youve made.
historians literally use it to map out the ancient world. its entirely objective you dense fuck. in between the facts are claims and stories that are subjective, but the basis for the stories are indeed based on real people, interacting with real world events, and you are choosing to ignore the hard truth and facts you claim to get a big raging boner for.
atheists are dumb as fuck. they choose what they want to believe. they are not based in relaity and have no sound ethics or morals. its a game of "i choose what i want to believe becaus ei am a degenerate, and it makes me feel better"
go jerk off to anime.
>>74956858
if you are capable of abstract thought, without physically verbalizing the concept, internalizing it entirely, then how is the claim that there is a god false? you literally think to yourself, through literally feelings.
bork bork bork, atheists talk out their asses at all times. no wonder modern science has been pretty shit lately.
So to recap: Atheism is a religion
>has a prophet(marx)
>has priests(amazing atheist, dawkins etc)
>has its own holy books(god delusion, origin of species)
>claim to be the One True Faithâ„¢ - just look how much they hate non-atheists!(aka. sane people)
>have their own moral code(albeit a twisted, social justice oriented one- murder is AOK though)
>have their own sermons(in the form of youtube videos by sargon or amazing atheist)
>wages holy war against other religions(soviet union, french revolution)
>believers of atheism are usually frothing-at-the-mouth tier zealous to their official atheist doctrine
>>74956815
>Even christians didn't follow the religious laws, you should have turned the other cheek when the muslims invaded
that isn't what turn the other cheek is intended for. It is a phrase claiming to let the petty squabbles between you and your neighbor cease and get on with your life. Not letting foreign hordes into your home, killing you and your brother while rapping your women and daughters.
I just don't believe in a god. Why is that so hard for people to comprehend. He may exist, he may not. I believe he doesn't. I don't really care about other religions and I'm okay with most of them (except Islam).
Stop with this religion bullshit, most of /pol/ are atheists anyway.
>>74957044
Faith is confidence or trust in a person or thing; or the observance of an obligation from loyalty; or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement; or a belief not based on proof;
>>74957044
steadfast belief in a concept is faith.
>>74956649
>I got zero fucking faith for science
>i want hard facts and truths
Which you believe, because you interpreted them.
Yet you interpret them through science, because
>somebody (authority) told you that it is certain
>it works!
>others do it as well
You are using {not science} to verify the validity of science. Unless you are an AI that is pre-programmed to think and experience everything through science. Even then, a meta-level thought would be considered advanced.
>>74956587
>Scientific laws are not absolute
But yet, they can be proven time and time again, unlike religion. Science works with what we have, religion tells stories of what is to be and what we can not prove to be true, this is why it's called faith. You have faith there is a hell, wheil it cannot be proven.
>>74956592
There are things that we cannot percive, but calling it god is stupid. Same used to go for gravity, it was god that loved us and keept us close to his earth, now it's been uncovered and that belief has been destroyed.
>>74951758
Athiesm is a religious view.
Athiest simply means not believing in a deity. There are religions that account for this.
If you want to be seperate from religion, say you are non-religious.
There is literally no reason to care if people consider it a religion or not unless the person just wants to be edgy, though.
>>74956649
Do you believe in anthropogenic global warming?
>>74951758
No, it's an irrational rejection of religion.
>>74956888
>It's quite simple.
yet you've managed to fuck up
Religion ain't belief. Religion is about culture, it should include moral codex, prayers, belief in supernatural phenomena and sacred stuff.
>>74956942
That would classify as religion. We could also replace... those, with whites.
>>74957099
>bork bork bork
I guess that's what constitutes as argument for Christcucks.
Fuckin atheists are too damn arrogant like calm the fuck down
>>74956587
No, you can fool observers into thinking they were broken long enough to run off with a big pile of grant money.
See "cold fusion."
>>74956995
All of those are actions, not beliefs.
A tv theist believes there will be something good on tv, a tv atheist believes there will not be anything good on tv.
The PlayStation theist believes Sony will come out with a good game, the PlayStation athiest believe they won't
Etc.
>>74954953
Imagine if you'd never heard of "santa claus"
You wouldn't believe he doesn't exist. He's a nothing to you.
Daily Reminder:
>if the only thing in the universe that matters is the process of redistribution of heat energy toward a state of uniformity,
>if that process is what brought us into existence
>if that process is the only thing of cosmic significance that we participate in and subsequently accelerate
>if that process will eventually destroy all life and any trace of it
>then the less time we spend in the universe, the longer the universe will exist
>but if the universe doesn't give a fuck about us, then there is no reason we should give a fuck about the universe either
>but if God's eternal existence is so void of activity that he spends it lurking over a universe of his own creation and being frustrated by it, then the longer it exists, the longer he will be frustrated by it.
>So there is no reason why you shouldn't take the side of humility and kill yourself, so the batteries in God's toy will last longer.
>>74957255
Religion doesn't require a belief in supernatural phenomena. That's just a common trait among religions.
>>74957170
>or a belief not based on proof;
there.
>based on what? on what you know? how do you know a claim is factual? what do you compare it to?
Peer review. Logic. Rationality. Is it rational to believe that god has plans for us all? Nope.
Is it rational to believe that little Timmy will die of cancer at 6 because his parents have shit genes? Yep.
>i know for a fuckign fact that not only have you never read the bible, but you dont know anything about the claim youve made.
historians literally use it to map out the ancient world. its entirely objective you dense fuck. in between the facts are claims and stories that are subjective, but the basis for the stories are indeed based on real people, interacting with real world events, and you are choosing to ignore the hard truth and facts you claim to get a big raging boner for.
I live in Sweden. I have read the bible since we fucking had to. I'm well aware that parts of it has historical value, I never claimed that everything in it is bullshit. Not everything in the Edda is bullshit either.
>>74956482
:DDD
atheism is not a religion but A HUGE number of its followers are just as blindedly zealous as the people they hate
Vox day wrote a book on that its called the irrational atheist
>>74957182
>There are things that we cannot percive, but calling it god is stupid.
How come? Whatever it is that caused this world, caused consciousness to arise.
If we go by the 'principle of the least assumptions' and go by solipsistic approach, my consciousness (the only provable one, to me; also proves me) is the least potential it had in the beginning. If we assume consciousness could arise in greater magnitude, the potential_min would increase as well.
Unless it breaks the laws of arithmetics and universal axioms, of course.
However, the beginning of the Universe was a very real event, caused by real factor(s) with this potential. Either together or.. by itself.
If we go by the least assumptions, we assume a single source for everything.
Which means...
>>74951758
my dick is a religion
>>74956888
>Atheism
>Agnosticism
>Theism
None of those are religions according to any def of the word.
Two of them are stances regarding belief. And one is a stance regarding knowledge.
>>74956965
So you agree that you should not believe something without evidence? Sadly I'm incapable of figuring out your point.
>>74957099
The claim
>There is a God
Is not false as far as we know. It is also not true as far as we know. Do you agree?
>>74957377
>if I don't know about something then it doesn't exist!
How does it feel to hold ignorance as your main belief?
>>74957302
what I'm saying is that christian values won't get replaced by a secular moral code of freedom
they will get replaced by pisslam or facist cult of authority
fighting chrisitianity only will make your doom come faster
There is no personal god just an all-permeating light source giving dimension to a universal holographic phantasm.
> inb4 god of the gaps.
Not really a gap when it meets the exact religious definition.
>>74957377
Imagination is a wonderful tool, as long as you don't mistake it for reality.
Reality exists, it does not change no matter how much you imagine, and the funny thing is, both reality and imagination can kill you quite dead, especially if you mistake one for the other.
>>74957405
singularity vs entropy
good and evil
new game or game over
>>74957474
What's your proof for the lack of God's existence?
>>74957550
>and go by solipsistic approach
dont because that's retarded.
>>74957255
Sure if you want to define religion that way. Just arguing semantics doesn't remove the fact that atheism isn't an absence of belief, but rather a belief of absence (of god)
>>74957596
I'm agnostic. Refer to the allegory of the cave.
>>74957595
>So you agree that you should not believe something without evidence?
This is your dogma/ axiom
But no one can logically or empirically justify everything he believes
>>74957630
Have fun in court with that argument retard.
>>74957608
flase dichotomy.. atheists dislike the most disruptive religions the most (islam right now), but also don't really like the effects of religious belief in general, namely holding back progress in education, advancement of science/healthcare, etc
the main benefit of religion i can see is that it makes people work together better in groups for the benefit of their in-group and to the exclusion of the out-group
>>74957630
Not him but you really can't prove a negative. At most it just says that hard theism and atheism are illogical since you can't prove/disprove God in an objective sense either way.
>>74957645
I agree, but it is still more valid than materialistic view, which can't explain consciousness at all. It also is the easiest and quickest to explain.
The example works with other viewpoints as well, but since we can't prove other consciousnesses I use the least amount possible (me).
>>74951758
Atheism is a theological stance. Fedoras proselytizing and setting up "Debate me" tables are missionaries. Dawkins and others are key figures looked up to by the masses of that theological stance.
Atheism also takes an unfalsifiable stance insisting that that the onus is with the opposing view to prove them wrong.
They may not have dogma or superstition but the're still just as annoying as any Christcuck or mudslime.
>>74957774
It works well enough in Swedish sharia courts
>>74951758
"Theist" in english derived from the greek "theos" which just meant god.
In greek the previx "a" simply translates as not or sometimes "absence of" or "with out"
Atheist literally translates as without god. It's a label we give people who lack belief in god, that itself cannot be a religion.
Religions are defined as systems of beliefs in a higher power or god.
This is generally well understood among atheists but a lot of really stupid people have a hard time understanding it. Not sure why, it's super easy.
>>74957903
>materialistic view, which can't explain consciousness at all
confirmed for completely ignorant of brain function
>>74956561
>I believe in God
>I don't and will base my entire existence around telling people that religion is dumb and that they are dumb for liking it, I will base these accusations on un-verifiable """""facts""""" while calling all of your un-verifiable """""facts""""" invalid due to my confirmation bias. Every discussion I enter concerning religion I will enter under the assumption that I am correct and any opposing views are therefore incorrect and stupid, I will demand they prove my assertion incorrect and when they cannot factually refute my opinions I will declare victory.
>OK man that is your belief
>UGH OMG YOU STUPID CHRISTFAG CAN'T YOU SEE THAT IT'S NOT A RELIGION I OBVIOUSLY DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT RELIGION GOD!!
nothing good has ever come from sweden.
>>74957920
>Atheism also takes an unfalsifiable stance insisting that that the onus is with the opposing view to prove them wrong.
It's only unfalsifiable because the existence of god can't be demonstrated
>>74954578
No, they don't. They ask for intercession, I.E. to pray for them since Jesus said in Matthew 18:20
>For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them
Praying to them goes against everything God and Jesus said ans is essentially lifting them to God's place. It's the same kind of situation with statues of Mary, some people pray at the statues to Mary to bless them when that's not how any of this works and just serves to make God angry.
>>74957965
What are Buddhism and Taoism?
>>74957774
And he goes running to his mother screaming, "God doesn't exist! You told me that we all are not going to hell and that you're not a whore because there is no god!"
>>74957608
Christian values would stay, they are pretty much part of european culture. Again, islam is a religion, if we removed it, it wouldn't be a problem.
>secular moral code
There is no such thing, ethics are universal. Look at Estonia, they are less cucked than the west and have hardly any religious people left, when compared to the past.
>>74957550
Yes, nature and what we do not know about yet. Calling what you do not know about or simply do not understand god, is stupid. Don't fall to these jewish tricks.
>>74957965
If it looks like a dog, and it barks like a dog, and it plays fetch like a dog, and it likes having its tummy scratched like a dog, it's probably a dog.
Or british.
>>74957418
>Religion doesn't require a belief in supernatural phenomena.
Indeed, it does not. That's why I've written "should". The definiton of "religion" is a soft one, like "vegetable", "green" or "impressionistic". You can't take a measuring tool and say "This is vegetable", or "this is impressionistic".
>>74957674
>Just arguing semantics doesn't remove the fact that atheism isn't an absence of belief, but rather a belief of absence (of god)
Correct, but the category of "Atheist" includes those who believe in absence, those who believe they can't know and most importantly those who don't give a fuck. And btw the "beliefe in non-existence" is a sort of shitty argement because it is logically impossible to prove non-existence.
>>74957872
>Can't prove a negative
Please explain that to me logically.
>>74957920
>Atheism also takes an unfalsifiable stance insisting that that the onus is with the opposing view to prove them wrong.
No, atheism is the lack of belief in gods. The burden of proof lays with the person making the primary positive assertion which is theists proposing that gods exist.
Atheists simply find these claims are not backed with evidence and so do not warrant belief.
>>74954512
A man who is naturally bald does not have a haircut.
A man who has shaved his head by definition does.
Simply not believing in God is not a religion. Constructing an epistemological system that governs your behavior, your culture, your taboos and mandates a non-belief in God on the other hand is a religion.
The moment you begin to draw conclusions from your belief/non-belief it becomes a religion.
>>74957983
>brains create consciousness
Emergent properties, amirite?
>emergent properties don't require potential to exist, they just create themselves every time in the same fashion
>>74958036
Jesus Christ demonstrated God's existence by performing miracles you athecuck
Unless you're denying historical facts of course.
>>74958036
That's the point I'm making. Atheism suggests that science demonstrates that God is not necessary in the workings of the universe and then further uses the scientific method to deem God nonexistent because God can't be demonstrated scientifically.
It's like God existing because the Bible says so and the Bible getting its authority from God.
>>74957923
Your autism is showing.
>>74958002
Do you think that's how atheists actually act? Genuinely asking.
>>74958174
>lack of belief
>I don't believe something but I refuse to describe it as a belief so I will change it to the term "lack of belief" so I can't be pigeonholed! That'll show 'em!
>>74958089
good luck removing islamists form europe with your atheist partizan cell
i'm cheering you on
>>74958305
>historical facts of course
>>74958305
Miracles are not historical fact wtf
>>74958311
>Atheism suggests that science demonstrates that God is not necessary in the workings of the universe
That might just be because atheists land in other categories. Say for example anti-religious and empiricists too.
>>74957674
Do you not believe Thor exists or do you believe Thor does not exist?
Do you think the difference is worth fretting over beyond philosophy?
I'm only using Thor to remove any bias in thinking. Not trying to equate Thor with God.
>>74957752
Faith is necessary to avoid nihilism or solipsism, I agree. I suppose I do have faith in reality existing along with loved ones and even yourself.
I have faith, but that doesn't justify faith in things without empirical evidence or reasoning. My "dogma" of minimalised faith is more reasonable than your dogma by a long shot.
>>74958089
>Look at Estonia, they are less cucked than the west and have hardly any religious people left, when compared to the past.
Low birthrates. Atheism is a disease that kills the population.
>Christian values would stay
Degeneracy and r-selection will replace that, though.
>Yes, nature and what we don't know yet
I just pointed out that theism is the rational option. Conscious God as well. Perhaps even more.
>>74957595
>Two of them are stances regarding belief. And one is a stance regarding knowledge.
Based on common vernacular, all three are stances regarding belief (unless you attempt to use reddit logic to redefine words different than how everyone uses them).
Religion is defined as a "set of beliefs, concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe." According to the first definition from searching "define religion"
Theism and Atheism are sets of beliefs. Agnosticism is a lack of sets of beliefs.
>>74958065
They are religions which are atheistic.
Religions which do not center around a god do exist and they are atheistic religions, but while some religions are atheistic it doesn't logically follow.
This is a logical fallacy of the form "affirming the consequent"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
>>74958311
>That's the point I'm making. Atheism suggests that science demonstrates that God is not necessary in the workings of the universe and then further uses the scientific method to deem God nonexistent because God can't be demonstrated scientifically.
But there are religious people who think that god IS a present actor in the real world.
They think praying affects real world events. They think god helps their side win the war. They think that god actually DOES leave a footprint on the earth.
These are the people who the atheists are arguing against.
>>74958311
This guy here is one of them:>>74958305
>>74958521
>Low birthrates
The r-selection always shows through with the religious retards.
>>74958248
>in the same fashion
clearly, it's not in the same fashion, otherwise we would have identical consciousnesses .
what are you getting at?
are you saying that since life exists, something must have created it?
why?
>>74958683
(Spoiler)Pekka is a troll(/spoiler)
>>74958509
>I do have faith in reality existing along with loved ones and even yourself.
>I have faith, but that doesn't justify faith in things without empirical evidence or reasoning.
What the shit?
What evidence do you have for me existing?
Or that reality (the observable universe) exists?
>>74958154
>includes those who believe in absence
Yes
>those who believe they can't know and most importantly those who don't give a fuck.
No it doesn't. That's agnostics.
>And btw the "beliefe in non-existence" is a sort of shitty argement because it is logically impossible to prove non-existence.
And that's why atheism is retarded.
>>74958305
holy shit, you had me going, finbro
I thought you were serious for this entire thread
miracles lol holy shit I feel dumb now
>>74958311
The scientific method can't be used to prove God doesn't exist, and it isn't what Atheists cite as their primary argument. What you're probably thinking of is "Logical Parsimony".
>>74958736
r-selection habits, but with degeneracy. Meaning abortion, pills to prevent the actual reproduction, which is mostly an accident in r-selection anyway.
Cults are weird though, with 17 kids and extreme K-selection values.
>>74958683
>can't refute anything
>proceeds to shitpost while shoving bananas up his anus
typical atheist
>>74958375
>implying our atheists aren't doing better than catholic sweden
wew lad.
>>74958521
>Low birthrates. Atheism is a disease
Funny, catholic sweden seems to have the same problem, and so does finland. Not only is thin not an argument, but I must warn, your autism is showing.
>Degeneracy and r-selection will replace that, though
I blame you catholics, I saw only catholics helping refugees on our border, no atheists. Even your pope is to blame, not atheists.
>rational option
Empty belief is not rational, it's irrational.
>>74958636
Why do they hate God so much? Is it because they're homo or were abused by priests?
>>74959050
lol, sweden is your exaple of religious country?
stop embarrasing yourself
>>74958636
I find those people interesting, because according to the bible, god is much more likely to screw you over for bothering him than help you without some sort of ritual or sacrifice.
Jesus really toned things down.
>>74958636
No, atheists are first and foremost arguing against mainstream christians. The entire point of the ideology of atheism is the affirmative rejection of religious influences in society. As Christianity is the dominant religion in the west, western atheists are inevitably anti-christian.
>>74959050
>catholic sweden seems to have the same problem
What? They're atheists, and the official church is Lutheran.
>Finland has the same problem
Atheism is gaining popularity. We are still pretty far from former USSR. Russia and Poland are moving to the better, although immigration is a net-loss for their populations.
>>74956522
faith in logic basically
>>74959050
sweden is not catholic.
>>74958509
>Do you not believe Thor exists or do you believe Thor does not exist?
Of course not.
>Do you think the difference is worth fretting over beyond philosophy?
The difference between what? The existence of Thor and the Abrahamic god? Yes, the amount of accurate historical records that also mention the Abrahamic god are incomparable. If you are talking about some other difference I didn't follow. Regardless I still hold that atheism is a belief.
>>74959337
No, you're confused by the politics of the situation.
The rise of new atheism was caused by a political battle in the US. Christians wanted to teach creationism in schools. The atheist movement rose up to combat their stupidity.
Hence the movement was started to combat christians. That's the reason atheism became a political movement.
That doesn't mean atheists individually care particularly about christians over other religions. It just means the groups were fighting most heatedly.
>>74959223
>stop embarrasing yourself
Could say the same thing about Christians and sweden.
>>74959404
My bad, christian, but same thing.
>Atheism is gaining popularity
And so raises the IQ in Finland. Also, replacing religion with nationalism/political ethnics is also a thing, the problem would be, that most replace the jew worshipping with sjw tier shit, instead of nationalism.
>>74958544
Your last paragraph contradicts the first.
Not that it matters. You can find many people that agree with your definitions, including dictionary writers of course.
I don't care for that though. Words really have become too liquid when it comes to this discussion. I'll have to ask people to explain their views from now on because too many people disagree on the language.
>>74958839
I have faith in the consistent behavior of this reality which I witness. Consistently, users of social media are real and many people who I also believe are real confirm this.
But on top of the faith I have, you have faith in more.
I'll use an analogy.
I have a hole in my logic. You have the same hole, but as well as that hole, you have a gaping maw. You excuse the gaping maw by insisting that holes are a none issue.
The main reason people hate atheists is that they politicize their beliefs and try to shove them down everyone else's throats with government.
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