Does Socialism work ? Seems like if Bernie is winning the White college educated vote bloc by large margins , it should speak volumes about the efficiency of Socialism
>>74857664
Ask Venezuela
No
>source: Venezuela
>>74857664
There is no such thing as rights there, shekel hoarder.
You get what you earn and only keep it if you defend it.
>>74858138
Heathcare should be a right dipshit
>>74857664
>Reply
>college students
these are the same people who would rather take out loans at way above what interest rates ought to be, instead of working to pay for their schooling so they can finish without having a fuck ton of debt.
national socialism just hasnt been implemented correctly!
>>74858297
You are a master retard.
>>74857664
>Seems like if Bernie is winning the White college educated vote bloc by large margins ,
Transgender studies are not real education.
>>74857664
Not everything has to be black and white. Things such as free healthcare and other socialist ideals can work for sure
>>74858601
Nice meme
>>74857934
>>74857986
>Bernie is literally Chavez
Open a fucking economics book.
>>74858759
It's a well known fact that STEM and Economics are mostly conservative, while the liberal arts are marxist indoctrination camps.
>>74857664
yes, if it wasn't for socialism Venezuela would be a barren wasteland without roads, fire departments or hospitals, instead of the paradise it is right now
>>74858876
Anything that is remotely to the left of pure free market capitalism is socialism to conservashits
>>74858616
>such as free healthcare and other socialist ideals can work for sure
Where does it work?
Health care is not a right because it relies on another party for the right to be exercised.
>healthcare is a right
niceme.me
>>74858903
Lol dumbass zipperhead
Source ?
>Healthcare is a right
Where is that in the Constitution?
>>74858462
He's a retard? As someone who went that route, I can say it was a great fucking decision. I was working the same job as my peers in the end with ZERO debt while they lamented having trouble paying off their loans.
Don't buy into the student loan meme.
>>74858903
Conservatives don't even get educated lol unless
>>74859191
>An old piece of paper decides what rights you have and don't have
>>74859086
>dumbass zipperhead
>lol unless
You type like a drooling nigger retard
>>74859354
That's how a fucking republic works you idiot.
>>74859371
Sure thing zippy
>>74859354
>an old piece of paper
>>74859371
You just got destroyed by Japan. How do you feel right now?
>>74858903
Most economists are liberals.
>>74859354
yes.
>>74859281
>Cost of attendance 60k/year
>"Just get a part-time job and pay your way through!"
Filthy fucking boomer
In any region compare the countries that are neoliberal vs those that are populist-left.
Argentina/Brazil (both until recently) and Venezuela vs. Chile
France, Spain and Greece vs. the U.K. And Switzerland
Vietnam vs. Singapore, HK and Taiwan
Etc, etc
Left-populism literally destroys countries
>>74857934
FPBP
>>74858282
No it should not, actually.
If you want healthcare then you should get your lazy black ass up off the porch and find gainful employment to pay for said healthcare.
More gibsmedats is not what we want or need.
Can't wait until that nigger is out and Trump is in. The hammer shall fall
Gtfo to sweden you faggot.
>>74857664
>college educated bloc
You mean uneducated who are in college for the said education?
>>74858876
No, Chavez was an actual Socialist, unlike Bernie Sanders. You got an honest answer.
>>74859628
the irony of these statements coming from a faggot who is in all likelihood on mommy and daddy's health insurance is almost too much to handle.
dont throw stones in glass houses
>>74858282
I should be able to fly.
>>74859709
Sanders saying he's a social democrat is just a front. If you look into his history it becomes abundantly clear that he's just a Marxist.
>>74859371
You're completely correct, I don't know what the fuck that nigger was talking about. STEM fields are also largely filled by men, who are more likely to be conservative from the start.
>>74859725
Don't make accusations you can't prove, loser.
>>74858282
You do have the right to receive healthcare
You don't have the right to take somebody else's money to pay the doctors for giving it to you, though. And you certainly don't have the right to enslave the doctors or coerce them to give you healthcare free of charge.
>>74857664
How can health care be a human right when others have to care for you? Is forcing people in the medical field to work on you fair?
>>74859853
More generalizations most mean it's true !
>>74859917
>this
the logical ramifications of making a service a 'right' is that practitioners of that service must be mandated BY LAW to practice
read: slavery
>>74858616
Nothing is free you idiot.
Working people should not have to shell out for lazy worthless nigggers and liberals
Be a man and take care of yourself and yours before we institute a policy of sterilizing the welfare garbage to prevent them from flooding us with more mindless potatoes.
The meme of the new age shall be personal responsibility.
>>74859852
It's a kafka trap. Either he is a Socialist, in which case Venezuela, or he isn't a Socialist, in which case OP is a retard.
Either way I get what I want.
>>74857664
Sanders is losing by a mile.
He's a dead meme.
I would have voted for him, personally.
Anything but Clinton
>>74858282
How can a right require someone else to provide you with a service? As a guy who's about to take his medical boards, I can say without a doubt that I will leave the system if socialized medicine comes to pass. Enjoy your system with no providers, as most doctors will leave unless you force us to stay, and even then many of us will simply leave the field entirely.
Fuck you, I don't owe you my skills and knowledge.
>>74859354
>an old man does
>>74857934
Sure, let's call them. Uh oh. phones got "socialised".
>>74859917
We'll certainly children never had a right to education but we still find it extremely beneficial to have them educated throu 12th grade on the publics dime . Can't see why public healthcare can't be seen as the same like it works in every other 1st world country
Health care is a right though. You're allowed to buy some
Gun rights doesn't mean the government BUYS a gun for you
>>74857664
>The fact that the vast majority happen to be losers who cant build their own stuff and thereby want to take others stuff through the state means that socialism works.
People are retarded and argueing that alot of people do a certain thing does not prove that it is the best or right thing to do. That is a logical falacy.
>>74857664
>>74858601
This is why we shouldn't apologize for the nukes. These fuckers have seen reality and it shows in the bantz.
>Sorry we red pilled an entire country in the matter of seconds
>>74859191
This.
You have the right to the pursuit of happiness but there are no guarantees that you will find said happiness.
>>74859354
murican being so stupid that foreigners need to explain what a republic is.
>>74858282
You have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And often also to your property. Regarding healthcare, you have a right to life and pursuit of happiness, but not healthcare.
Life means no one is allowed to kill you, not that they are responsible for you if you do stupid shit like eat garbage and get fat, or jump off a ledge and break your spine, or even if you don't work hard enough to afford your hospital bills. Darwin's theory should make better people.
Pursuit of happiness means you have the opportunity to do what will make you happy, not that someone hands it to you on a silver platter.
>>74860139
>Gun rights doesn't mean the government BUYS a gun for you
... but it should.
I'm OK with paying for the libshits "free" health care as long as they keep my "free" AR stocked with "free" ammunition.
Let's do that "compromise" thing they keep talking about.
Since /pol/ is quick to dismiss nationalized medicine, I'd like to hear some suggestions on how we fix our system.
You may not like socialism but surely you don't believe that we should continue with our current system of paying more than every other countries and having worse outcomes.
>>74859354
That old piece of paper is the only keeping the death squads from cleaning out the ghettos and liberal colleges.
You should really stop shitting on it before we repeal it.
>>74858282
if you dont have nationalised health care bug pharma creates pills that kill people quicker than real drugs and doctors still sell for profit
>>74857664
>Does Socialism work?
In small countries that are receiving millions upon millions of dollars from larger countries, so that their usual budget can go to continue running like a normal country. In larger countries, it's a powder keg waiting to explode.
Just like at Venezuela.
>but anon, Bernie wants Democratic Socialism!
Venezuela was also a Democratic Socialist nation. If Bernie wins, that's what we'll be looking forward to in our lifetime.
>I have a right to make other people give me things
Hmm, it fails the test.
>>74858282
you have no idea what "right" means
>>74860424
Because /pol/ is filled with trailer park trash retards who vote against their own economic interests
>>74859590
You chose the wrong fucking school then, moron. My school was around 10k a year- housing included. Just tuition and fees was under 5k per year when I attended. And that's one of my state's top schools. The lesser known schools are even cheaper, and guess what, they have the same accreditations as the big schools for a lot of fields.
>>74860576
and what school would that be?
>>74860550
>who vote against their own economic interests
I love this meme.
>>74859725
I take care of myself and have some grey in my beard you sissy.
The hammer shall fall and all drek can move to Canada if they don't like it
>>74860694
we've had the equivalent of the ACA in massachusetts for like a decade and we rank top 10 in most HDI categories.
stay in your 3rd world-tier conservacuck containment zones please.
>>74860424
Fix american healthcare system? Your country spear heads medical innovation and has the best hospitals, schools and research centres
You dont deserve to live in the USA you ingrate FUCK
"This is morally wrong"
And that's why I don't trust bernie with money. Making $110 billion from student loans is "wrong." What happens when Berns goes on tumblr and finds out other bullshit is "wrong" and tries to change that? Will vehicle tax go from 180% to 230% as some bs result?
>>74859917
You said that losers have the right to healthcare and then perfectly described why they don't have the right to healthcare.
>>74857986
>>74859068
>>74859070
>>74859191
>>74859628
>le healthcare isnt a right xDDD
>meanwhile in the real world healthcare is a right in nearly every single developed country
>>74860811
> muh exceptionalism means we can't make corrections to current problems and should leave it untouched
Faux news viewer detected
>>74860811
yet all of that does not translate into health care that is more affordable or more effective.
>>74860550
Voting should be based on what is good for the long-term future of the country, not your pathetic self-interest. Niggers want gibmedats. Whites want a better future for our children, with a stable economy and independence from being cucked by the government.
The government isn't there to serve you, it's there to preserve order. Stop looking at it as a fucking ATM.
>>74857664
It works fine as long as you're willing to live with the murder and enslavement of millions.
>>74860811
>>74861035
>>74858282
It already is, nobody's stopping you from paying a doctor to give you healthcare.
>>74860139
Gun rights are a fucked up joke.
The second amendment guarantees the right to bear arms for militia.
All men age 18 and up who are registered with selective service are conscripted into the militia.
So, only men who follow the law are alliwed firearm ownership under the constitution.
Not for women or draft dodgers.
>>74861103
I pay taxes to get services that the Government can run better than the freemarkets .
>>74861035
A lot of those metrics are bullshit liberal nonsense. "Patient-centered care" is a feel-good term. Equity implies things should be equitable. Healthy lives implies it is the health care system's job to make sure people aren't fatasses. Coordination of care doesn't matter a hell of a lot. Safety metrics are collected differently country-to-country. Effectiveness is completely subjective. Efficiency implies that we should be efficient rather than spending as much money as possible to provide the best outcomes possible.
Libcucks make the metrics in a way that paints socialized as good, privatized as bad, because they want to justify the system they either have or want.
>>74860674
NC State University. The top ranked textile school in the world and a high ranking school for engineering.
>>74857664
No, it doesn't. It's only debt, debt and more debt, until the cash runs out. Really close to Cronyism to be fair.
>>74861304
Those services aren't "rights" though, they are agreements. You don't have a right to roads, or a right to a military, or a right to any of this other bullshit. Why should you have a right to health care?
>>74857664
>Seems like if Bernie is winning the White college educated vote bloc by large margins , it should speak volumes about the efficiency of Socialism
It only speaks volumes about the fact that if you promise a group of people privileges at the expense of everyone else they will gladly vote for you.
>>74860838
>literally trillions of dollars worth of loans extended to students over the decades recorded
>most of which get paid back in a few years at minimal interest because the borrowers did not rack up $200,000 tuitions to get their Feminist Studies degree.
>"profits" off those loans far less than 1%, of which goes to pay for the infrastructure and all the people involved in issuing and managing all of those loans
>IT'S NOT FAIR THAT THEY MAKE ANY MONEY AT ALL! MONEY IS BAD! FUCK CORPORATIONS!
-posted from my iPad
*sips Starbucks*
>>74857664
Tells you what a college education is worth.
>>74860803
I live in the real world.
You live in fantasy land where the fire hydrants spew milk and honey and money falls from the skyscrapers.
Nice try though.
I bet some fedora wearing trap would like to meet up with you for a cup of chai and some rough anal.
Have a good time.
>>74858282
>Heathcare should be a right
Na, chief. I don't pay anymore in taxes to take care of idiots like you, who fail to take care of themselves. Our medical system isn't the greatest, but it'll be worse off if nationalized. Also, I don't remember healthcare being listed as an inalienable right in the constitution.
>>74860122
>He doesn't know where almost the entirety of the property tax revenue goes, the schools. And look how well our public education quality is, when we subsidize it with hundreds of billions of dollars.
>>74861304
Government services =/= rights. When funding is cut, you won't have access to these services. Rights are something that you can't take away without objective/subversive tyranny.
Judging from the entirety of the conversation, you're either shitposting, or you have no clue how the economy, or the world works. Either or, I don't think it would kill you to read a couple of books on economics. If you would like, I have some possible suggestions for you to better learn this subject matter?
>>74857664
Just because all college freshman want free tuition cuz "muh loans," that doesn't mean that he's getting the "educated" vote.
I hate the media.
>>74861240
"well regulated militia" is referring to an up-kept state's militia, which is prepared to fight for the state if the federal government gains too much power.
>>74857664
>Healthcare is a right of all people
Must have missed this part of the constitution.
>>74861722
As long as you don't recommend anything by Thomas Sowell . Not reading that right winged filth
>forces you to pay for something, no chance to opt out
>HEH TOUGH LUCK, PAL. THIS IS YOUR RIGHT
>>74861164
Every single ethnic group in the US has higher life expectancy here than in their home country. Asian Americans have life expectancy of 89 years. Japan, the country with the highest life expectancy, only has 84. The difference between those two is the difference between Japan and some third world countries
>>74858994
Might want to change that to "without oil".
>>74861400
>Healthy lives implies it is the health care system's job to make sure people aren't fatasses.
Sure people make unhealthy choices, the idea however is that we pay more and get less.
>Coordination of care doesn't matter a hell of a lot
I beg to differ. It's one of the reasons Americans rack up health care costs, because we receive unnecessary tests and procedures which could simply be eliminated if more Americans saw a primary care doctor. That is assuming that this primary care doctor would coordinate care with a needed specialist to eliminate redundant care.
>Safety metrics are collected differently country-to-country
Sure. Here's a stat about our own country: the cos t of medical errors in the United States was 17.1 billion in 2008. Other estimates have this number even higher. Maybe other countries measure this differently, but that doesn't make us any better
>Efficiency implies that we should be efficient rather than spending as much money as possible to provide the best outcomes possible
Once again we arrive at the value problem. It's (cost x quality) and you have to understand both sides of the problem. You assert that we should spend the most amount of money for the best outcomes possible. And yet the system we have does the opposite: we spend more for worse outcomes.
I won't debate you on socialism, but you cannot sit there and tell me that our system is fine as is.
>>74861240
The second amendment literally says "the right of the people..." Only an idiot could interpret that as being a "militia's right". Not mention every other mention of rights in the Constitution and bill of rights has to do with individuals, but we're supposed to assume that in this one instance and completely contradictory to the words we can read, is about a group's rights.
>>74861777
It is?
Because it does not state that anywhere.
Sounds like you are just butthurt and making things up.
By definition, only men who are registered with selective service have a legal right to own firearms.
That's it. There is nothing else there.
Being registered for draft means you can be called up for duty at any time which means you ARE the militia.
Nothing left to argue, that's it.
>>74862274
>worst outcomes
Read my fucking post you cuckface. Every fucking ethnic group in the US has higher life expectancy than in their home country. Every single one. Your beloved Swedes, Norweigans, Japanese, etc. They ALL live longer in the US than their own shithole countries. Stop taking in propaganda and actually look behind the numbers you fuckhead
>>74859034
>guys we just want to redistribute SOME of your money, don't be fucking stupid
Oh, okay, that's totally not socialism at all, you're right.
>>74862441
It doesn't just say right of the people.
Keep reading it or get someone to read it to you.
The second amendment literally only applies to males
>>74862585
>Life expectancy in the United States is 78.6 years, on par with Chile, though Chile spends 1/10 what the United States spends on health care.
>Residents of 29 countries live longer than Americans do, while spending as little as one-eighth as much per person on their health.
>>74862441
BRAVO!!!!
>>74862757
Holy fuck you're retarded. I just explained it to you and you still fall back on the idiotic argument.
1. Chileans in the US have MUCH higher life expectancy than Chileans in Chile.
2. Different countries have different ethnic compositions. Some ethnicities have genetically longer lifespans
3. Again, for the billionth time, every single ethnic group (literally every single one) has a higher life expectancy in the US than their native country
http://www.themoneyillusion.com/?p=31687
It boggles the mind that someone as stupid as you has the ability to use a computer.
>>74857664
Bad decisions with good intentions ruin civilizations.
>>74862869
No, that would be liberal insanity and fail.
>>74863052
Then what of whites? If your statistic is true then there must be some group that is dragging down our overall life expectancy
>>74860482
>Venezuela was also a Democratic Socialist nation. If Bernie wins, that's what we'll be looking forward to in our lifetime.
PROVE IT
>>74860927
BUT BUT MUH AYN RAND
>>74863344
My money is on the niggers.
>>74862712
It does not say that anywhere in the text. I assume you're referring to the writings of founders, which do not hold legal weight.
>>74859282
Nice meme
>>74863651
Actually it does.
You have to be able to understand what words mean.
Keep trying, you'll get it
>>74860550
My arguement is that poorest people in a free capitalist country live better than 85% of people in a typical socialist society. Sometimes it's better to delegate improvement of everyone's lives to greed and self-interest, that's entirely in my economic interests. Leftists are a just bunch of self-absorbed pseudo-intellectuals who can't accept this.
>t. I live in a socialist country
>>74857664
>LOL guise Socialism work xD #fuckcapitalims
Have you ever lived in a real socialist country? It's hell on earth
>>74864426
Yes , Swedes and Danes are sure always crying about the evils of socialism
> protip : both countries are reported to be the happiest places to live
>>74864651
Must be a coincidence that after redistribution of money from taxpayers to unelected bureaucrats with time these governments completely lost grasp of reality and invited shitskin immigrants to take over because they can't feel bad consequences when living in 99.9% white gated communitiy with personal bodyguards.
>>74858616
free healthcare = hospitals crowded with immigrants just like what happens here
>>74857664
Bernie's not even a socialist. He's a social democrat. He calls himself socialist but that's because he's an idiot.
>>74857664
Socialism failed in the past because they used the wrong forms of socialism, but if we try this particular form that my friend in college told me about then it works.
Socialism fails because of bourgeois conspirators, enemies of the people
Socialism will work this time, trust me, I am a millenial and my sociology teacher told me.
>>74862757
>Chile
>Widespread privatre insurance and health providers
Omg healthcare in private hands! Sounds like hell to me. Healthcare is a right, I am entitled to it!
>>74857664
>if Bernie is winning the White college educated vote bloc by large margins , it should speak volumes about the efficiency of Socialism
you would think that
but lets change your idea of what "educated" means in [THE CURRENT YEAR]
>women tend to be left-wing drones
>more women than men are getting degrees
>women study social "sciences" and liberal arts
>liberal arts include things like feminism degrees and anti-white studies
the more you know~
>>74864651
>Danes are so happy
>>74858616
I agree, but you have to clearly understand why free healthcare is an exception in the rule and not just parrot opinions of braindead leftists. Hospital service is a good, value of which is almost impossible to determine by patient. Which leads to doctors and companies who bloat prices but have better marketing outcompeting everyone. Also mandatory health checks don't exist in private healthcare because they are a conflict of interest with healthcare companies.
>college educated
>implying this has ANY bearing on intelligence
>>74857664
You aren't entitled to somebody else's labor. But that's a moral point.
A consequential point is that when you make things free by fiat you actually make them more dear.
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>>74864651
>Small resource rich capitalist countries with capitalistic traditions protected by capitalist defense-blocs with capitalist trade policies are socialist because they allocate surplus income saved from said defense bloc to social programs for their their small, rich population
University education isn't as important and prestigious nowadays as it was decades ago, now most in the first world can gain access to third-level education and end up with a job at McDonald's.
You can't expect a well-paying job when your course is women's studies or feminist philosophy. Educate yourself in the right direction and you'll get far - be smart with money. A diploma doesn't count for shit when you've done a course the college has open just for the sake of fees, and the hope of earning a profit. It is literally wasting time on pointless shit, then ending up in glorious 2016 balls-deep in loans, and voting for Bernie.
"Free shit" is his strongest campaign point. His voters don't realise that literally everyone is going to be taxed extra. Yes, the 1% too, but who gives two shits when you end up even poorer?
Socialism kills. Like most great ideas, it's utopian on paper but is shite in practice.
