What does /pol/ think about nuclear power?
I think we shouldn't waste uranium and use it for more useful purposes like glassing the middle east
I wish we had it here.
Too many softcunts, though.
>>74839772
You now that uranium is not the material used for nuclear weapon production but the byproduct of the nuclear power production, right?
controlled nuclear power is much better than all the fuckin wind wheels...
>>74839836
I think that is crazy considering you all are one of the largest exporters of nuclear fuel.
>>74839772
most modern nuclear weapons, specifically the w-88 don't use more than pound of uranium u-235. They use plutonium, tritium and deuterium with lithium
>>74839882
You're thinking of plutonium and it comes from heavy water reactors not commercial ones.
>>74839704
By far the best option for electric power.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is a mongoloid.
>>74839704
Its great and we should build more nuclear power plants
It's dangerous and should be prohibited.
>>74839704
It's a risky mid-term solution for ever growing energy needs, personally I don't think we should rely on it too much and rather focus on how to gather and store renewable energy.
Currently the best way of getting energy. It's effective, it's safe (something like Chernobyl won't happen with modern power plants) and if we really wanted we could just launch the waste into space and it wouldn't be a problem either.
it is good
clean and safe
YOU ARE ALL RETARDED NUCLEAR POWER IS DANGEROUS HAHA
THE WASTE IS SOOO POISONOUS OR SOMETHING LIKE WE CAN'T STORE IT AT ALL
THIS KID FIGURED IT ALL OUT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPhRq5r8iqg&feature=youtu.be
>2016
>/pol/ hasn't invented free energy yet
listen to this genius kid, man!
>>74839704
Until we figure out how to do nuclear fusion, it's probably our best bet at the moment.
If it weren't for all these environmentalist fucks being against nuclear power we would have an energetic utopia by now. Funny thing is, now we're forced to use all these less environmentally safe resources and they start boycotting them.
>>74840211
Except when it's not
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It is flawed in its current state.
(High risk in case of emergency, nuclear waste)
However I think it is utterly retarded that right now everything is thrown overboard concerning nuclear power, instead of trying to fix those problems. Don't abandon the fucking ship, find a solution. Smart people (not me) should at least have an incentive to try and come up with ideas about how to reduce the risk and get rid of the wast in a more professional manner than 'LUL lets bury it here for the next 100 000 years'.
>>74839772
fpbp
The fuckin Saudis and Coal/Natural Gas Barons have a death grip on the energy industry and would rather see global thermonuclear war over resources than let a more efficient power source replace them.
>>74840404
>on the edge of tectonic plates
who thought this was a good idea?
>>74839704
It's perfect and wonderful.
>>74840411
Agree. Transmutation research should be heavily subsidized.
anyone who oppose nuclear power has never read up anything on nuclear power and get their knowledge of nuclear power from the Simpsons. also their wife is probably being fucked silly by a nigger as we speak
If it wasn't for all these environmentalist fucks we would have an energetic utopia by now through nuclear power. Funny thing is, we're then forced to use other sources and they start boycotting them cause they're not environmentally friendly.
>>74840073
Actually commercial reactors are the first step to weapon grade plutonium. There is a reason why we still don't use Thorium reactors despite having sufficient technology since the '70s.
>>74840404
>F U K U S H I M A
One word : Tsunami
we don't have that problem in the west
>>74840200
>risky
Nuclear energy is the safest, cleanest, and most efficient power out there.
The media teaches you "nuclear" = "exploding cancer magic" because they're ignorant fucks and they get money from both the fossil fuel Jews and leftard enviormentalists to keep perpetuating the idea.
>>74840411
They already solved it though. Thorium power uses a resource that's 3 times as abundant as uranium and produces 1/1000th of the waste and doesn't produce uranium that can be used for nukes.
Literally the perfect energy and the countries that hold most of it are the mountainous civilized countries instead of backwards savages.
>>74840174
cuck
>>74840174
cuck
Lived near a nuke plant from the Manhattan Project days all my life, Hanford if anyone wants to look it up.
Clean-up from N(B)C weapons is an expensive, nasty bitch. Modern power plants are great though - clean, reasonably efficient, safe. If Fukushima had the sorts of safeguards the local reactor did, it wouldn't be Fukushima to us. Wind farms are pretty but noisy, hog land, and are hell on birds + expensive per kw/h. Hydro is a drop in the bucket and who knows about offshore tidal generators.
Nukes are initially expensive and they'll never be as cheap as coal. They create technical jobs and bring in people with the credentials to attend nukes. They're clean and can be built anywhere you can get water. We should burn ahead with nukes.
Nuclear Power gives an INSANE return. People are simply too pussies to embrace it to the fullest.
>>74840730
>The media teaches you "nuclear" = "exploding cancer magic" because they're ignorant fucks and they get money from both the fossil fuel Jews and leftard enviormentalists to keep perpetuating the idea.
couldn'tve said it better
>>74840404
Fukushima deathtoll
Due to tsunami: 12000+
Due to the nuclear disaster: 0, zero, null, none
>>74840404
See >>74840081
It's literally fucking nothing
You'd think the Japs would know better than to build important shit literally directly on top of a major fault line.
>>74839704
Its like socialism, it would require absolute and total honesty and altruism to work
>>74839704
It's alright. Perfectly safe.
>>74840838
>Windmills
>Noisy
>>74840897
>nuclear power requires altruism
please elaborate
>>74840730
People still think Chernobyl and Fukushima are certainties in all nuclear plants
>>74840385
Well I believe in anthropogenic climate change so take that as you will but I should have said 'safer than anything that produces carbon emissions'.
>>74839704
It's objectively the best power source we currently have.
>>74839704
Fake. It is just a heating element in water to recycle network energy with steam turbines. Also gold extraction from sea water.
>>74840947
No, seriously. Those things are bastards.
>>74840260
TIME magazine ran a piece on fusion ventures last fall. Idk if it's current any more but you might check it out.
>>74839704
Pretty shit. Coal is the best way to produce power. World's uranium supply is depleting and produces tons of radioactive waste.
>>74841039
>Three Mile Island
>>74840947
You have no idea the amount of noise those things make do you? They make living within a mile of them unbearable, not to mention they're ugly as fuck.
>>74840947
Noisy and the flashing shadow cause migraines
>>74841298
http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/nuclear-fuel-cycle/fuel-recycling/processing-of-used-nuclear-fuel.aspx
I'd wager the majority of waste comes from decomissioned weapons but I don't have a stat for that. It's not all waste.
>>74841298
What is Breeder Reactor and Nuclear Reprocessing?
>>74839704
we should keep researching nuclear technology
23/m
worked for a half a year in Energy Research facility that is also jointed with a plant, absolutely hate it.
"safety" right. safety my ass. the routines there are terrible and only spergs work there incapable of basic human communication.
its just like a big "The Office" with worse consequences for failure
i was first optimistic, but after seeing all that im 100% against nuclear power
>>74840947
>t. Someone who hasn't lived near a windmill farm.
>>74839958
What about controlled nuclear windmills?
>>74840897
What are you even arguing?
Whatever you're saying it's worked perfectly well for seventy years. The biggest problem with it is progress being deliberately withheld on adopting even more efficient, completely safe and near waste-free alternatives because governments need a steady supply of plutonium.
>MUH CHERNOBYL
Bunch of retarded commie fucks working with an ancient reactor did literally everything wrong to make the most unsafe experiment possible and made a massive steam explosion that basically dirty bombed the atmosphere over eastern Europe.
There is not enough space in a 4chan post to explain how incredibly wrong Chernobyl was, but it was a problem of massive human error and stupidity, nothing at all inherent in nuclear power. It is physically impossible for anything like Chernobyl to happen with any reactor in service today; the reactor involved with Chernobyl was already long obsolete at the time of the incident.
>MUH FUKUSHIMA
If a bolt of lightning dropped a plane out of the sky would you call for a ban on aircraft? If you're building in an active earthquake zone reinforce your shit better Japan.
>>74841343
>Three Mile Island
Get an X-ray at the dentist and you can say you survived Three Mile Island.
Stop believing alarmist bullshit.
>>74839704
it'll be an integral part of the Wall
>>74841992
>Trump Builds a bunch of Nuclear Power plants on his wall
>He'll buy all the Uranium and Thorium from us because we own all the large mines in North America
Trump will make Canada great again despite Trudeau trying to ruin everything
>>74842216
are... are you trying to rip us off? kill us on trade? Because you know Trump will have to 'negotiate' with Trudeau if that happens.
>send Manafort
>get a call back within 48 hours begging for a deal
>>74839772
Fpbp
Unironically, though, nuclear energy is the shit. It's a shame liberals fall for the "it's dangerous!!!" meme. For some reason, they think that solar is the best for all purposes, which is objectively wrong for now.
>>74841948
>muh Chernobyl
>muh Fukushima
>muh Idaho Falls
>muh Vaud
>muh Jaslovské Bohunice
>muh Three Mile Island
>muh Ibaraki
>muh Fukui
>>74839882
Are you retarded?
>>74841992
It says on there that decommissioned U.S. navy nuclear vessels will be dry docked to supply power also. Liberals love recycling and Trump delivers.
>>74842704
I really hope it gets built just like this, with all the extravagance of a Trump building. I want to live long enough to see America's greatest monument yet. That's all I want
>>74840260
This. Wake me when fusion reactor cores and Star Trek.
>>74839704
Considering we need deuterium and lithium, both of which occur abundantly in nature, and the waste decays to background radiation quickly, it's the future of energy
>>74839704
Not a big fan of them,
It's alright, but why don't we just fill the desert with solar panels? It's a miracle that terrorists haven't yet gotten the idea to cause a meltdown in a nuclear power plant..
It's fine, but why don't we just fill the desert with solar panels? it's a miracle that terrorists haven't yet gotten the idea to cause a meltdown in a nuclear power plant..
>>74843235
>>74843343
>it's a miracle that terrorists haven't yet gotten the idea to cause a meltdown in a nuclear power plant
They have, but then they read a fucking book and found out they weren't as retarded as you.
>>74841343
you have no idea of the amount of empty space we have.
>>74843343
>be California
>built giant solar plants in desert
>birds spontaneously ignite if they're unfortunate enough to fly over solar panels.
>chicken dinners falling out of the sky.
>solve energy problems and hunger problems in one move.
http://globalnews.ca/news/1513420/california-solar-power-station-burning-killing-birds-in-mid-air/
>>74840135
fellow Belgbro, we should indeed. Our current ones should be replaced as soon as possible
"Anti-Nuclear" might as well be called "Pro-Coal"
It is the safest, most reliable and cost effective means of energy production we have at our disposal.
>>74840411
>what is Thorium
But I shouldnt be surprised. Germany is so cucked that the Greenpeace bullshit has infected even the common folks.
>100 000 years
I know you're just exaggerating but throwing retarded numbers just makes you look even more like an idiot.
>>74839704
>usually built near fault lines
>leaking tritium and other undetectable isotopes
>still haven't solved the waste problem
You're retarded
>>74839704
Also
>it's a nuclear industry daily shilling episode
>>74844736
>leaking tritium and other undetectable isotopes
And that is somehow a bad thing because..?
Like that shit is used in wrist watches and other applications as a luminescent substance.
>>74839704
It's a great source of power until something goes wrong.
It scares a lot of retards because
>muh chernobyl
>muh nuclear waste
>muh has the word nuclear in it so it must be bad
The real problem is expense, but micro nuclear reactors could help with that
>>74840730
>Nuclear energy is the safest, cleanest, and most efficient power out there.
This is bullshit as there are far more safer and cleaner alternatives like solar and wind power.
Sure they are not as efficient (at least not yet) but if a solar panel breaks down it wont render the surrounding area uninhabitable for decades.
It also doesn't generate waste that needs to be stored very deep underground for like 10,000 years. (besides who knows what storing the waste deep underground will do in the long run.)
The fact is that even with the best safety precautions the chance for nuclear catastrophe isn't zero, with the global warming going on we have no idea what sort of environmental disasters we might face in the future and how well Nuclear power plants can handle those situations. Then there's chance of sabotage as well.
>>74840881
You're only thinking of human casualties.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_disaster_cleanup
There's also ground water contamination, ocean contamination and the cleanup of the surrounding areas. Oh and Decommissioning the plant is estimated to cost tens of billions of dollars and 30-40 years.
A brilliant idea and a fantastic investment and I fail to understand why we don't have 50 of them in every single state.
>>74847727
> it wont render the surrounding area uninhabitable for decades.
which has never happened and isn't physically possible with modern reactors
>>74847727
>wind power
>safe
Those turbines aren't made of styrofoam, Sven
>>74839704
I learned fairly recently that nuclear plants generate power through steam. How cool is that? Ally power generation is from steam, the only difference is the fuel.
>>74839704
It's the future but people are pussies
>>74849699
well, or combustion
>>74849699
Even some solar is through steam, the big ones with the mirrors in a circle round a tower are essentially parabolic mirrors focussing the sun onto the tower where there is water that is boiled.
>>74839704
I may be a little biased, but nuclear power gave birth to a really shitty sci-fi franchise that fortunately seems to be dead by now. So screw that.
I fuckin love it, sadly it wont be developed more because of the retards who fear it and the people helping that along by screaming OOGA BOOGA CHERNOBYL
Nuclear energy is great, but it shouldn't be THE primary option.
So far all the thorium promises fell flat. This is how it usually works with all the panacea though - the better it sounds, the harder it disappoints.
So we're still at uranium. And uranium is costly.
So while nuclear is "better" (cleaner, at least) than coal, gas or even biogas, it's still quite expensive due to regulations that are required for it to be safe.
Additionally the mining, transport and refinement of uranium have a non-negligible "environmental cost".
It may someday become the holy grail of energy sources. May.
Until then, it's quite expensive and should only be considered an alternative to combustion power plants, not renewables.
In before outdated info about solar panels that wasn't true for years. Solar is the fastest growing energy-related field out there and info from 2010 is outdated and outdated hard.
Build Thorium reactors
Eject waste with every mission to the space station
I'm an ex navy nuke, this shit is what we talked about in class
Reminder that in the 70+ years since the start of nuclear power, less than 10 meltdown events have occurred at nuclear powerplants around the WORLD.
More people have died in the construction of solar, wind, hydro, and geothermal power, which are all touted as "cleaner and safer" alternative energy forms.
Only idiots dismiss nuclear power on the "Danger". Nuclear just needs to become more efficient. Currently, it's only about 70% as efficient as coal, which is still the highest efficiency of all alternative energy sources.
>>74849699
Some of the newer "steam plants" (both coal and nuclear) use water at such pressure and temperature it doesn't actually change phase but stays supercritical.
In those, it's not exactly steam and not exactly water.
>>74853518
the waste product of breeder reactors stop being radioactive after 100-200 years. No need to launch into space.
>>74853518
You're joking right?
It's all Poe's Law here and I'm pretty sure there actually are people here who actually believe it's economical to space trash.
>>74840252
Is that private conduction illigal in germany?
>>74839704
Best source of energy currently available
>>74840705
In your case a bunch of snackbars are making plans to hijack one
Why are so many Germans opposed to nuclear power?
>>74839772
Can't think of a more useful use, pham.
>>74855032
it's political
they have a big push for solar, nuclear was the target in its sights as the fukushima disaster had just happened.
>>74854684
Apparently not good enough, since it is slowly being phased away by all countries using it.
>>74843734
>collect around 100 birds in a year
>IT COULD BE AS MANY AS 28,000
>>74854047
It's only stuck at those levels of efficiency because everybody seems to be obsessed with light water reactors. The most recent (80s) British designs were on par with coal in terms of thermal efficiency and could be on-line refueled but the British government refuses to fund gas-cooled reactor research instead opting for the fresh dank globalist EPR design. At a time when the UK is likely to leave the EU no less.
>>74842408
Why is solar bad?
>>74855252
Not so, my friend. Only the most heavily cuckolded countries in Europe are phasing it out. Meanwhile Britain, the US, France and Iran are increasing development funding.
>>74841538
Care to elaborate more?
>>74855548
>France
Nope. France is one of the countries phasing it out.
>>74855521
It isn't and it is the fastest growing energy generation technology, but it is quite expensive for centralized energy generation at the moment.
>>74855521
Depends on the type of solar. Photovoltaics are horrendously expensive (something like 1000* nuclear per MWe) and their production requires rare earth metals sourced from aggressor nations. They're only now approaching financial viability because of heavy government subsidies.
Reflector plants aren't scalable and also suffer from high cost. Also, all solar suffers from availability problems - peak sun does not coincide with peak electricity usage and current storage methods are both expensive and hugely inefficient.
>>74855932
>Photovoltaics are horrendously expensive
Were, 5 years ago.
>>74855745
The French government is funding EPR development through EDF (and, thus, the Hinkley C new build). Not to mention ITER.
>>74840252
In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics
>>74855745
We're not phasing out. We're currently building new reactors. The government told some bullshit to calm down the Greens but it was just electoral bullshit.
>>74856257
>>74856214
What about
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/NP-French-energy-transition-bill-adopted-2307155.html
then?
Doesn't look just like electoral bullshit to me.
the fact that we aren't investing in thorium based nuclear reactors is fucking retarded
>>74856098
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source#Energy_Information_Administration
I dunno man, doesn't seem financially viable without heavy government subsidy. Even then that subsidy has to come from somewhere; everyone wants to live at the expense of the state and all that.
>>74856490
They haven't acted on any of those promises though, workable or not (50% reduction in energy use by 2050 is not only preposterous but laughable). Meanwhile Flamanville C and ITER are still being constructed and the country still produces about 70% of its electricity from nuclear. France may not be pioneering the field of nuclear power (ITER excluded) but they've been reaping its benefits for decades.
>>74856490
http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2016/04/30/nucleaire-nicolas-sarkozy-veut-revenir-sur-l-objectif-de-reduction-a-50_4911319_823448.html
Hollande passed this law at the end of his mandat in order to calm the Greens while doing nothing. The Republicans, who will probably be elected in 2017, don't want to phase out.
We need Thorium, but unfortunately retarded leftist hippies hate nuclear power because of an overrated accident at three mile island, russians being russians and japs building a nuclear plant next to a fault line
Controlled nuclear power is the best thing we have. Only hippies think that building wind mills and solar panels are a decent alternative.
>>74856532
At the first graph on the right, minimums for PV, coal gassification and nuclear are pretty close.
With solar, the maximum (and thus average) is high because it was shit up until pretty recently. It is growing really fast because there is a lot of potential for growth.
While US statistics don't always translate well to EU (because altitude), solar is nowhere near the green boogieman it once was.
>>74857043
>>74857081
It's probably good for France if you're right, but the mandate is still there.
Political situation is a real risk with with nuclear and will stay that way until the old generation (of people, not reactors) dies out.
>>74856509
Thorium is just a buzz word mate, thorium reactors are just reactors that use thorium to breed more uranium.
Fact is we do have some breeder reactors going and plenty of research in the area.
One of the gen 4 reactor designs getting looked at is a molten salt reactor which can be used with thorium included in the fuel.
Trouble is it is a shit design that will likely never go past planning.
>>74857254
>hurr durr HIPPIES
>muh thorium
Yeah, it's totally not the fact that thorium isn't a commercially viable technology yet and anyone wanting to build a reactor and make money off it is better off building an uranium one until it gets anywhere.
Free market verified: thorium isn't ready yet.
>>74857468
That's the only figure in the entire article that puts solar even close to nuclear though.
>>74857641
We could have had Thorium years ago, but unfortunately it wasn't deemed viable because it didn't produce weapons-grade material.
why do we need electricity anyway
>>74857892
>sweden
>>74857880
But not it is lagging behind uranium and even renewables.
>>74857892
To run Internet of course. Until someone invents an electricity-free internet, electricity is an essential thing, like air or water.
We aren't cavemen, not even us slavs.
>>74858099
>But not
*now
>>74858185
Maybeeee because it's not being funded?
>>74839704
I think it is potentially great but with our current mudslime problem they are too attractive as targets for me to be comfortable with
>>74840252
Electrical power suppliers hate him. This kid produces his own jewfree energy at home and basically you are fucking stupid.
How ?
Just watch the free video and don't ask questions,goy!
>>74857254
Thorium is exactly what we need, he needs to make more fucking videos.
>>74857468
>Political situation is a real risk with with nuclear
We depend so much on the nuclear that it's not a real risk in France. A large part of our foreign policy is about securing our uranium supply (we're currently deployed in five countries in North Africa in order to secure the uranium mines in Niger).
>>74839704
The average Nuclear power plant takes like 20 years to build and 50 years to pay for itself with its energy production.
Do they produce assloads of energy?
Yes.
Are they a viable alternative to fix our current energy crisis?
No, because they take 20 years to build and are expensive af.
Are they a good potential solution for energy problems in the future?
Yes.
Thats what I think.
>>74858290
Funding isn't easy to get when you want to develop evil green glowing energy that reminds normal people of chernobyl and fukushima. Unless you have a country to drop nukes on.
>>74849481
Not modern day plants
>>74858802
More importantly,
Is nuclear power the only from of energy production that is capable of sustaining off-world colonies?
Yes.
>>74849481
Which is why you don't build a fucking nuclear reactor on a fault line, granted if the reactor was more modernized and didn't succumb to all the excess regulatory bullshit it probably would have been modernized a lot faster and wouldn't have been an issue.
>>74859896
>don't build a fucking nuclear reactor on a fault line
this
>>74839704
Well, it all starts when a "nulecule" comes out of its nest...
Best power source available imo. I work at a plant with 2 PWR units. Radiation isn't even that bad, I barely got 100mREM last year (safe limit is 5 REM per year).
