Will Britain leave the EU and usher in a new golden age?
Or are they the perpetual cuck?
Brexit Movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYqzcqDtL3k
>>74767547
The majority is voting Stay. It's pretty clear. A few /pol/ weeabos can't change that, even if they wish
>>74767855
Not if Kek has anything to say about it lad.
The Liberals will be struck down with the power of dubs, Britain's rebirth is NOW!
>>74767547
>We can finally leave the EU and join the Carribean Alliance
>>74767955
Who votes Brexit:
- Edgelords from /pol/
- Neets (muh migrants took my job, what? no I don't want to apply at that company)
- Anarchists
Who votes against Brexit:
- Normal people
- Patriots
- Tax payers
- Educated people
- Democratic people
- Europeans
- Economic analysts and scientists
Well, it's pretty obvious. You can either prove what a special snowflake you are and vote out, or be someone who cares about the FUTURE of his country and vote STAY.
The majority knows what's good for UK, but do you?
>>74767955
HOLY SHIT
>>74767547
it will be 49% out 51% in or some obviously rigged result, no way will the globalist cunts let the UK leave
>>74768111
Paki detected
>>74768111
>patriots
>voting remain
are you really this fucking retarded?
>>74768111
you post this in every thread you literal autist
>>74768111
Do you know who wants us to stay in the EU?
- Jews
- Globalists
- Liberals
>>74768111
People whi vote remain are either treasonous scum, or plebs or are treasonous by extension.
>>74768111
>Europeans
>Voting in a UK election
>>74767855
>Month Old
>Small Sample
>Unlikely to have majority old people
Its like the polls arent even trying to be accurate.
>>74768111
fuck off m8
>>74767547
I disagree with much of that film, I'm a socialist and I'm voting to leave. Look how the EU treated Syriza when they treated to defy austerity.
>>74768111
>swiss opinion
>mattering
>2016
>>74767547
It would be a disaster for Europe but i have lost all hope long time ago.
>>74767955
Well played.
>>74767855
A few /pol/ weeaboos got Trump the fucking nomination
>>74768233
Patriots who don't want their country destroyed, Patriots who think about the future of their country.
South Africa once was a nice country. Then the niggers wanted to be """free""" and self determinated. Look where they are now. Same will happen with UK.
>>74768329
Those who stand for the European values and see themselves as Europeans.
>>74768487
It's not my opinion, it's facts.
I want nothing more than out but we accept that the global elite gain so much from the EU that the vote will never succeed.
The people are cucks and will vote how daddy government (Thanks for the 100k post MP jobs) and big business (Thanks for cheap labour and limiting small business) want them to.
I don't think we will leave. I think it will be a solid 55-60% remain.
To many Brits will buy into project fear of "omg did you know our house prices will slump?!?" as if they won't slump next recession that eventually comes around.
Or the good one in the daily mail today "cancer patients will suffer".
But I am willing to accept the vote, if the rest of the UK wants to consign themselves to being eviscerated then so be it. I will do my best to try and get out when the going is good.
>>74768111
>Who votes against Brexit:
>Patriots
Opinion discarded
>>74768605
> Traitors living in other EU countries
Because they're so important
>>74767855
>>74768111
>>74768605
You again
I'm a Paki and I want a Brexit, what does that say about me
>>74768360
Polls are utter bollocks, preform an experiment ask everyone you know if they've ever been in one of these polls.
>>74768962
You're quintessentially British m8
>>74768826
Patriot means someone who loves his country you imbicile. Not stormfag neet weeabos like you
People who love UK vote STAY because they don't want to see their country burning, they want to keep the wealth they have now and the great future.
>>74768962
Says you don't want the country your parents/grandparents moved here turning into the dump from which you came.
>>74768111
and:
Brexit:
-Putin
-Trump
-Marie Le Pen
-Nigel Farage
non-Brexit
-Dave, basically every relevant politician in Britain bar farage, gove and Johnson
-Every country that cares about us, commonwealth
>>74768962
You are welcome to stay.
>>74769102
Lol the EU is currently in the process of stripping the City of London of banks and moving it to Frankfurt.
If we vote stay then the UK will have its wings clipped for all eternity.
>>74768605
Anyone who see's themselves as European before English/Scottish/ Northen Irish or Welsh is nothing but an unpatriotic traitor who should be shoot
>>74768962
Good lad desu.
>>74769102
>Implying the EU doesn't hate the Nation State
>Implying half of the UK are "stormfag neet weeabos"
>Implying you aren't just b8ing
>>74769269
This.
>>74769190
This.
All the important British people are against Brexit.
Scientists, economists, professors, etc. They all vote STAY because that's the right thing to do.
>>74769190
Because other countries have grown tired of Britain being the voice of reason in international politics and want Britain to shut up
>>74769398
>Mcdonnell
Why are you even on /pol/?
>>74769365
This
>>74767855
Reminder that this is an image of Scottish polls not UK wide
>>74769512
Literally dont understand what you said
but tell me, does putin care about the uk? the eu? does he want us to be weaker or stronger?
>>74768605
>South Africa once was a nice country. Then the niggers wanted to be """free""" and self determinated. Look where they are now. Same will happen with UK.
I think the average white Brit can run a country better than niggers
>>74769583
The Mountian Jew is just b8ing tbqh lads, its pretty obvious.
http://whatukthinks.org/eu/opinion-polls/poll-of-polls/
>Remain: 54%
>Leave: 46%
>>74768111
This. They should stay in. Most economic experts say that the Brexit would be terrible for Great Britain. Also, one of the major reasons Scotland didn't secede was because GB is part of the EU. If they now decide to leave, GB would loose quite a large amount of their oil-resources.
>>74767855
In every thread about this I see a swiss flag shilling the EU. Are you one of the paid shills?
>>74769398
>posting a literal communist
fuck off medpack, you just don't like the idea of another country becoming as wealthy as you without having to hoard nazi gold
>>74769723
>GB would loose quite a large amount of their oil-ressources
The ones currently losing money?
>>74768781
It's not fear, it's simple facts what will happen.
You can't think you can just give everything you worked on in the last 20 years and nothing will happen.
Brexit is the worst thing you can do. UK will become the European Mexico.
>>74769723
>Most economic experts say that if Britain doesn't join the Euro it would be terrible for Great Britain.
>>74769884
>Rustle the britbongs jimmies.gif
We're not blind lad.
>>74769703
For a long time Britain has not been towing the line in international politics and now other countries see this as an opportunity to knock the UK of its pedestal.
What is a stronger UK? One that has an army to protect Gibraltar and the Falklands or one whereby the army is absorbed into a European army and Spain veto's the UK stepping in to protect any of its interests?
Why can't the UK just annex the rest of Ireland?
Ireland separated like that just looks stupid.
>>74769884
Most economic experts who just happen to have large shares in European companies with high Trade to the UK, that goes completely un tariffed
Strange
>>74769965
Shut your fucking mouth! Shut the fuck up you cunt! Shut it!
>>74768360
It's not a month old, it's a year old.
LITERALLY ANYONE CAN CHECK THESE THINGS.
Test:
Einstein was a donkey from the planet Mars.
Do you believe me? No? Then don't believe this guy either >>74767855
I am even going to link you the fucking page because you are so fucking dumb.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum
Do you understand now, mate? Do you understand that it is a year old and that you, a moron, could have at any time actually double-checked the shit posted on /pol/?
>>74770026
We've been trying to give Northen Ireland back for some time but the Irish don't want it and we can't just let them starve
If we leave the EU, Boris will be our next prime minister. Do you really want that?
>>74770268
Yes.
>>74770268
Yeah because Mr.Slippery is so great.
>>74769965
Why is the remain side of the referendum as seen as maintaining a status quo?
As soon as UK votes in more onerous burdens will be placed on the UK such as accepting more refugees, higher membership fees, more laws and a system put in place to put other countries dissenting.
Were Americans in 1787 or whenever told "if you rebel, you will be $200 worse off and you will have no trading allies"
>>74770268
Why not.
It beats Dodgy Dave and his giddy cuck.
>New flag after Scotland leaves though.
>>74770268
No worse than Cameron
>>74768445
>Fuck the EU
Got me.
>>74770139
Exactly, all of these financial institutions are in cahoots with one another, if a member of the European bank leaves he doesn't go open a flower shop in the Maldives, he goes and joins the IMF.
>>74769965
> UK will become the European Mexico.
Topkek.
Their economy is bigger than both of ours combined. Besides, I think it's more important to have democracy than a few more shekels.
>>74770193
>this is how the average Brexit supporter arguments
If there is really anyone unirionically believing these idiots might win the referendum, then you're fucking retarded.
The majority will vote STAY. You're irrelevant and being an edgelord won't change that fact. You're just voting for a Brexit because it's a cry for attention.
>>74770364
When the majority votes remain, it will bring a lot of confidence to the EU again. This referendum is a very good thing and will only make EU greater.
>>74770364
>Why is the remain side of the referendum as seen as maintaining a status quo?
People unironically believe the EU won't change again even though ever closer union is written into the treaties and there are already whispers of a unified military and foreign policy.
>>74769102
>Patriot means someone who loves his country
Right. And my country is "United Kingdom". Not, "European Union".
>>74770589
Mate, you are posting polls from 2015.
Anyway, here are the actual unedited results from 2016.
Pic related.
Brexit is in the bag.
>>74770589
The EU is in a downward spiral. Europeans may believe it will protect them from a lack of innovation or being competitive, and maybe it will in the short term, but in 30-40 years Europeans will be cleaning the toilets of India and China and various other countries that did not shackle themselves to a dead weight.
Polls are up and down, but I bet it will be remain.
>>74769965
>Politicians know facts about the future
can you ask them for the lottery numbers then mate?
>>74770771
>here are the actual unedited results
>those sample sizes
Look m8 i'm a hardcore Brexit guy, but "unedited" - edited how?
>>74768111
Do you ever get tired of shilling?
Literally before I even clicked on this thread I knew that the first ten posts would include you.
Please fuck off.
>>74768605
Switzerland isn't even part of the EU and it's one of the most successful and rich countries in the world, what idiot wouldn't want to follow in that direction, seeing a landlocked piece of shot country made of mountains and valleys succeed?
>>74768445
Kek... Fuck the EU.
>>74769102
>Stormfag neet weaboo
And just like that you reveal yourself to be a mouth-breathing moron.
>>74770639
I can't believe that people believe the "we will veto turkey joining.
No we won't and even if we pretended to there would be pressure from Germany and France to comply.
Threadly reminder not to acknowledge the Swisscuck who has infested EVERY Brexit thread with his nonsense trolling.
Threadly reminder to vote UKIP.
Threadly reminder to vote OUT despite the naysayers telling us there's no hope.
>>74770876
Sssh, don't crush this guy's >>74770771 dreams. He won't be happy with the reality.
>>74770944
Why are you constantly shilling for a Brexit. It won't make a difference. The majority of Brits are not stupid, they are voting STAY.
>>74770268
At least hes a funny guy. Made a joke about Obama hating the UK because we slaughtered his African home in the 50s lol
>>74768233
Not an argument.
>>74770364
We will also be forced to accept the EURO.
>>74770944
I'm convinced he must be paid to shill, he's in every single thread instantly
>>74767955
Nice
>>74771097
Fuck off you shitskin scum, you only want us to stay so you can eventually come here and leech. Switzerland is just a stop off point for your 18 kids and 6 wives before you can leech somewhere else.
Kill yourself.
>>74771097
You desperately post in every thread.
It's pathetic and embarrassing.
No wonder you love the EU so much.
Total butthurt emanates from your every post.
>>74771244
It's like he lurks on /pol/ all day waiting for these threads. Very bizarre. Doesn't bother to change proxy, doesn't use legit arguments for the EU (probably because there aren't many).
>polls majority stay
>after obongo intervenes they switch majority leave
Gotta love it
>>74771244
Yep. It would appear so.
Just as the birds must sing their chorus at dawn, the swiss shill must post his shit in these threads like clockwork - without failure and tirelessly.
Doesn't matter in the slightest though, everyone I know, everyone I work with, the pubs I visit and the places I volunteer at all are voting leave.
Went to the Good Food Show in London and saw upwards of 20+ people carrying LEAVE EU bags.
Get fucked Swissfag
A country of 60,000,000 with long history, culture and excellent trade links will flop apparently, never mind a country like Iceland surviving somehow.
Fuck the EU.
If the Swiss cuck is so correct, why doesn't he fuck off and stop posting in our threads and wait until the actual results of the referendum are released?
Then he can shitpost all he wants.. Or not if we leave.
>>74771243
Your lies don't mean anything. Stop shilling.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum
>>74771413
>>74771354
>these are the Brexit arguments
kek, just accept it's unwinnable
who else here has grandparents voting out?
my nan just told me fuck the eu i never voted in in the first place
>>74771639
What stakes do you have in our business anyway?
Why post in these threads?
I've seen you quite a few times in every thread that's created, that seems like worry to me, worry that we're leaving.
So tell me, what have YOU got to lose by us leaving? Because you seem very vested in shitting up our threads.
Why is that?
>>74771738
I've heard my Nan, great Nan, aunt and uncle all say they're voting out.
I think this really is a turnout game, if they can get over 40s to turnout it's a definite win (if narrow) for leave.
Remain meanwhile need to get students and shitskins to the polls.
>that one swiss guy shilling in every thread
not sure what you benefit from this. let people vote for what they believe in.
>>74771891
His whole argument is "you're all poopy heads" too, just ignore his bait.
>>74769884
>Most economic experts say
Implying they are often ever right and don't just say whatever plays into there own self interests. Gullible dumb sheep.
>>74771493
>my whole circlejerk is voting leave
>this must be it!!
Jesus Christ, your autism is horrifying. In less than a month you'll be taken back to reality anyway.
>>74771863
Compared to you I actually care about the UK. I don't know why you are so selfish and ignorant, why you want to destroy UK so much. I guess you didn't get all the neet benefits you expected and now you want the country see burning.
Well that's not working, because the majority who thinks about the future for their children votes STAY.
>>74769884
>Most economic experts say that the Brexit would be terrible for Great Britain
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/120407.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/500231.stm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1347701/CBI-tells-Blair-to-get-off-the-fence-and-back-euro.html
https://www.theguardian.com/business/1999/jul/18/observerbusiness.theobserver
Look how the Euro turned out
>>74771868
Exactly, all over 40s remember how good life was before the EU.
>>74771482
Most of those polls are done online, The biggest voting block in the UK are over 55 years old and arent technology savvy.
>>74772290
It's surprised me recently, I always thought my dad was a lib dem voting pro-EU type, but recently he told me he voted UKIP last election.
And even my Mum is voting out I think, she just thinks all the scaremongering is clear bullshit and wants immigration cut.
>>74772336
Old people vote out more often than not
The EU is a stagnant shithole thats circling the drain, it'll only harm us to stay in it unless you happen to be the prime minister for example - even if against all odds leaving resulted in a worse situation, I'd still be happy because it'd be our choice and we could actually do something about it for ourselves. I'm amazed people can vote remain and not feel a chill in their bones at the thought that they're putting their future in the hands of a faceless group with no oversight.
>>74772141
oh yeah baby bait me harder
>>74772141
I just jumped in this thread so don't you go start throwing insults at me, I asked you a question. So you keep your shit contained.
>Well that's not working, because the majority who thinks about the future for their children votes STAY.
Yeah I care about my children which is why I'm voting to leave.
>Compared to you I actually care about the UK.
But you don't, you have the mindset of most mainlanders, you think you know what's best for us. You don't know and we don't know, if we do vote to leave and we fall apart, we fall apart, if we succeed, we succeed.
You cannot predict the future at all, all the shit you're spouting, the doom and gloom... It was all said when we were ordered to adopt the Euro as our currency.
We didn't adopt the Euro as our currency and we still haven't fallen apart.
If you really have the interests of the UK at heart, you'll keep out of our business and let us fail or succeed on our own. We do not need your input at all, so ensconce that in your brain and fuck off.
But you don't care about the UK at all, you shit up every thread and insult the people that have made a democratic decision to leave, you discard them, you insult them, you shitpost and you troll.
Which just goes to show that you have no interest in the UK, the EU in its current form is bad, bad for everyone.
But the Swiss rely on it, hence why you don't want it to crumble apart, that's your vested interest.
Not the UK or our people's decision, you should respect both side's decision, but you don't.
>>74772141
> Compared to you I actually care about the UK.
Realtalk for just one second if you can manage that.
If you care about the UK, why do you want to see it destroyed by the inevitable United State of Europe? The UK will no longer exist. It'll be a state in a burgeoning undemocratic federation.
Lads, for goodness sake just ignore the cunt.
>>74770268
yeah why not, he plays the fool but he's actually incredibly smart
>>74769267
>stripping the City of London of banks
how is this a bad thing
do you even know what the CoL is
>>74772141
Peace in Europe is because we are nuclear, no other reason bar that. Even in a situation where a country would win, they would lose.
>>74772896
To be fair, he offers weak arguments and allows us to vent why we will be voting leave.
>>74772880
real talk famalam bruv
>"It is recognised that the United Kingdom, in the light of the specific situation it has under the Treaties, is not committed to further political integration into the European Union."
>"...the references to ever closer union do not apply to the United Kingdom."
>>74772696
You just prove again why EU is the best option for Europe. Normal people are just too stupid for political issues, they don't understand it.
You don't have the slightest knowledge about economics.
This is why the authoriterian leadership of the EU is so great. They don't have to listen to stupid citizen who visited primary school and now think they know everything better.
Good thing the majority will crush this referendum and vote Stay. After that you won't get a referendum ever again
>>74773071
>>74773071
Yes, of course. The City is an excellent money spinner and if you have banks, you have power.
If we don't have it then some other country will fill the vacuum and profit.
>>74773230
>This is why the authoriterian leadership of the EU is so great. They don't have to listen to stupid citizen who visited primary school and now think they know everything better.
if youre gonna bait, be subtle at least, fucking moron
>>74773195
That agreement isn't worth the paper it's written on.
>>74773230
>This guy
I like making my own decisions, thanks.
I just don't see why should I vote to get out. You autists from 8ch constantly make threads like this and it's always a fucking echo chamber, but a proper argumentation is yet to be seen. It's nothing but memes and shit flinging.
TELL ME ABOUT BORIS
WHY DOES HE WEAR THE MASK
>>74773483
my nan met him the other day
>>74773356
Not bait at all. And the most hilarious thing, the Brexit referendum isn't even BINDING.
In 32 days your dreams will be crushed, cucks.
>>74773072
I do love the retardation of saying without the EU we'd have WW3 somehow.
Even without the EU our economies are too interconnected for that to happen, what the globalists are basically threatening is that they'd start WW3 if they don't get their way.
>>74773230
>This is why the authoriterian leadership of the EU is so great. They don't have to listen to stupid citizen
>>74773469
Bolshevik
>>74773195
That statement isn't binding, it's just words. Only the treaties are binding, and the next treaty will expand EU power over even more sectors of national sovereignty.
Do you think the EU is going to federalize and leave the UK as a tag along enjoying perks and privileges without committing? Do you honestly envision that happening? Either they leave now and do their own thing, or they commit to washing away their national identity for a new European identity.
>>74773469
Sovereignty, immigration, being able to trade with the world, restored Commonwealth...
Why does this Swiss cuck shill vote remain?
>>74773469
Arguments for leaving are posted constantly my man. People regularly come in and ask for the pros and cons of both and it's surprisingly been pretty unbiased answers they're given.
The question is: will anything happen even if they vote to leave?
>>74768445
WE LOVE YOU NIGE!
>>74767855
>replying to Swiss shill
Also, OP- you linked a 2nd upload. The official one has nearly 500k views and 10k likes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0
>>74768445
>Met her german wife thanks to the European Union
>Votes to leave
>>74773469
>I just don't see why should I vote to get out
Only the unelected EU commission can propose EU legislation, the parliament is a rubber-stamp body with no power, there's no way to control immigration whilst in the EU.
The EU trade deal with Canada has taken 8 years because Italian cheese farmers are complaining or something, the UK could easily do a deal much quickly that was specifically tailored to our economy.
>>74767955
checked, brexit confirmed
>>74767955
WITNESSED
>>74773552
If the conservatives did not honour the results of the referendum, they wouldnt get elected for a generation. It would certainly kill Cameron and Osbournes careers.
>>74773819
not an argument
>>74773683
Switzerland aren't even in the EU. He's probably a Rothschild banker who doesn't want their London HQ outside the EU
>>74773996
Don't even go there, he doesn't understand how this country's politics works.
>>74773230
>>74773230
>Normal people are just too stupid for political issues, they don't understand it.
>You don't have the slightest knowledge about economics.
>Good thing the majority will crush this referendum and vote Stay.
You can't even make your points correlate without contradiction, you massive cunter.
>>74773825
The democratically elected parliament has to approve the legislation you dumb fuck. Stop spreading lies. Nobody except your circlejerk here will believe it anyway.
>>74773599
Why do you think you know better than someone who studied the topic? Are you such an arrogant idiot?
>>74773469
It depends, how much does sovereignty mean to you?
>Stay in EU
>Get fucked by Neoliberals
>Leave EU
>Get fucked even harder by Neoliberals and Globalists
Decisions decisions
>>74773699
rebirth of a nation
>>74768445
Really wanna know if our boy Nige is coming to Nottingham
>>74773999
>The leader of the KKK marries a black woman
>Point out
>N-not an argument totally not hypocresy
>>74767547
>That link
Why, just link to the actual account and not a stolen re-upload.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0
>>74773656
>Sovereignty
Are you implying we aren't sovereign at the moment? That's a ridiculous claim. Stop fearmongering.
>Immigration
We have a problem with immigrants from outside of Europe, not from the inside. Again, fearmongering.
>being able to trade with the world
No problem with that at the moment.
>restored Commonwealth
There's no place for the Commonwealth in 2016. We are stronger as part of the EU anyway.
>>74773825
Lies, it's all democratically chosen. If you don't like how the EU is run, then lobby for changes, don't just give up altogether like a complete loser.
>>74774100
It depends, how would you define sovereignty?
>>74774096
>The democratically elected parliament has to approve the legislation you dumb fuck.
That the commission proposes, there's a fundamental democratic deficit when the elected legislative body cannot even propose new legislation or propose repealing old legislation as it wills.
>Why do you think you know better than someone who studied the topic?
Nice knowing EU shills are fundamentally anti-democratic.
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
>>74774212
>If you hate the EU it means you can't marry a European
Fuck off
>>74774137
The EU literally is globalism.
>>74773547
>tfw your nan is the only based person in your family
my dad is voting in because he thinks it will ruin his shitty business if we go out
>>74768605
South Africa is a fucking wreck because of the ANC and Jacob Zuma. Not because Britain left us.
I fucking hope so. Anyone britfags watch that can't pay we'll take it away program on channel 5? The amount of fucking people they evict that can't fucking speak a word of english, the fuck are these people even living in this country for.
>>74774352
How would it ruin it? Does he employ migrants?
>>74774302
He has met it thanks to the European Union.
Again
>KKK member meets and marry a black girl in a KKK rally
>This is perfectly fine, fuck off.
No, the leader of a movement needs to be an example for the rest. This is like if hitler married a jew.
Daily reminder this Swissfag has a vested interest in us remaining since Switzerland as a deregulated financial centre would be threatened by us.
>>74774256
>Lies, it's all democratically chosen
The commission is not, and it's the only body able to propose EU legislation.
>If you don't like how the EU is run, then lobby for changes
It's not going to change, the UK has tried before, just look at Cameron's recent "deal" which amounted to the sum of jack shit and isn't worth the paper it's written on.
>don't just give up altogether like a complete loser
Not an argument.
>>74773230
Get the fuck out of my country, you don't understand the basic principle of our democracy and why we should protect it against the dominion of the EURSS.
I am ashaimed we gave you a work permit.
>>74774096
> elected parliament has to approve the legislation you dumb fuck.
Name one instance the parliament has successfully blocked something from the commission. It's simply reintroduced over and over and over until it's put through. Literally China is more democratic.
>>74773552
>>74773230
>>74773230
>>74774324
Remind me again of the political views of the main figures backing brexit?
>>74768605
Arent those nations not allowed to kick out British citizens because of EU laws?
>>74774460
Not even comparable, since Farage doesn't hate Germans or Europeans. He hates the EU and wants us out of it, that is all.
>>74773819
Yeah he probably could've got some cute anglo woman instead if we had left the EU earlier
Why the fuck can't Nige be PM lads? I don't want to live through this hell anymore
>tfw handguns will never be made legal
>>74774457
kek no he employs 3 people but he thinks it will fuck up importing random shit from the eu
>>74774460
UKIP and Farage aren't anti European they're anti European Union
>>74774096
>>74774260
The only reason UK is there where it is today is because you didn't have democracy since 900 years. Think about that for a moment.
>>74774484
Try googling:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/plenary/en/votes.html?tab=votes
>>74774482
Stankovic, wenn gosch zrug?
>>74774468
Why is Rees-Mogg so based?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoTSo1uB22c
>>74774748
>>74767547
No. They are forever cucked.
>>74774460
Absolute mong. If I was to go to Germany right now and campaign against German cuckoldry and I happened to meet a German woman over there who completely agreed with everything I was saying and married her would that mean I would have to become a German cuck? That's essentially what you're saying here m8.
>>74774532
This is about the EU, not individual politicians. The EU is globalism. 28 states and expanding into Balkans and Turkey. central control in Brussels. Everyone is a "European" instead of their own nationality. EU army. It's the next step towards a one world government.
>>74774256
>It depends, how would you define sovereignty?
for simplicity sake, i'll use the wikipedia's definition:
'jurisprudence as the full right and power of a governing body to govern itself without any interference from outside sources or bodies. In political theory, sovereignty is a substantive term designating supreme authority over some polity'
EU law is supreme above our own as per the European Commission Communities Act of 1972, this is an affront to sovereignty. We are still a sovereign nation, but the EU takes away some of that sovereignty
>>74774473
The same commission we are part of. Our current commissioner is Jonathan Hill, Baron Hill of Oareford. Now stop shilling and bring actual arguments to the table, if you have any, that is.
>>74774352
This.
My dad's company is based within the eurozone.
>>74774096
swiss bro i dont know if you know this but mark my words europe is gettin pretty fucked
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eurozone-greece-debt-idUSKCN0YA1AD
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ebrd-annualmeeting-padoan-schengen-idUSKCN0Y21NA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Brussels_bombings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks
>>74774863
>no arguments
>just immature pictures
Shouldn't you be in bed by now? Let the adults discuss here.
>>74775201
fuck off medpack cunt
>>74775050
I am perfectly fine with that. At the end of the day, it's completely normal to make some compromises and sacrifices in the name of the greater good. We are also benefiting a lot more and this unified legislation is a solid ground for a strong union.
>>74775201
Switzerland you're not even in the EU so stop shilling so hard for it. Hypocrite.
>>74775071
>The same commission we are part of. Our current commissioner is Jonathan Hill, Baron Hill of Oareford
What ballot did his name appear upon? Who voted for him? When do we get to vote on his re-election?
Oh wait.
>>74773825
The commission merely proposes legislation as you said, doesn't pass it. Every country has one commissioner only. Parliament and Council, both of which we're fairly represented in, jointly pass the vast majority of laws. It is absolutely not a rubber stamp body, they actually have detailed negotiations with council and often amend a lot.
We have full control over non-EU immigration, and yes, limited control over the free movement of those from the EU since it's a foundation pillar of the EU. But it they represent a threat, we still don't have to let them in, and don't forget that you as a European citizen can do exactly the same to the other 27 countries.
Greenland, a 2 million square kilometre freezer with a population not much bigger Faeroe Islands took 2 years of negotiation after it left the EEC, how could we possibly do it quicker with the EU.
Also, you're an absolute mong.
>>74775258
Funny, the only thing Brexit fags can do is insulting. They can not even hold a valid discussion with proper arguments.
>>74773230
>"Being in the EU is so great why would you want to leave?"
>Says the Jew who isn't in the EU
End yourself.
>>74775287
>We are also benefiting a lot more
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/669853/Britains-1-5-million-hidden-EU-migrants
>>74775454
fuck off medpack cunt
>>74773552
>In 32 days your dreams will be crushed, cucks.
I'm an IN voter you absolutely deluded cunt, fuck off
>>74775071
Ah yes, Jonathan Hill, with his impressive mandate of 0 votes
>>74774641
Tell him to stop being a fucking kike and selling the country for a handful of sheckles.
>>74775454
>wanting to argue with an obvious shill when you just ignore all people who reply to you seriously.
As a Swiss guy I find it disgusting to see so many Swiss EU cucks here.
>>74775287
Then that's OK. You do not care that much for sovereignty and that's fine. A great deal of us do, however, and most of us won't accept compromises when it comes to the issue of sovereignty and self governance.
>>74775527
>literally repeating himself
Autism the post
>>74775530
Good thing there is atleast one Brit in this thread who can rationally think and will make the right decision.
>>74775454
What are you gaining by shilling to remain in the EU?
>>74775717
fuck off medpack cunt
>>74767547
Let's see how strong you are when America starts enacting power on Germany. using its treaty. Obama really cucked us being so passive but Trump won't be.
>>74775390
>>74775551
He was personally selected by David Cameron, the man that more than 11 million Britons wanted to be the Prime Minister of our country.
>>74775486
This has nothing to do with EU, it's a blunder of the UK government.
>>74775201
>>74775696
based swiss cheese, also isn't switzerland not even in the eu
>>74775427
>The commission merely proposes legislation as you said, doesn't pass it
So you'd be happy if the Queen had a pre-parliament veto on all legislation she disliked?
>We have full control over non-EU immigration, and yes, limited control over the free movement of those from the EU since it's a foundation pillar of the EU.
And this has lead to a near-collapse of the NHS and driven house prices to extreme levels.
> you as a European citizen can do exactly the same to the other 27 countries.
I'd willingly give that up for lower immigration to our small island, lower housing costs and to reduce the pressure on public services
>Greenland, a 2 million square kilometre freezer with a population not much bigger Faeroe Islands took 2 years of negotiation after it left the EEC, how could we possibly do it quicker with the EU.
I don't know the ins and outs of the Greenland thing, but 2 years is the timescale given for leaving negotiations in the EU treaties, so taking 2 years for them makes sense.
The UK would obviously have a bigger civil service matching our size, so there's no reason a deal on leaving will take 10 years or whatever Cameron is claiming.
>Also, you're an absolute mong.
Nice, an ad hominem attack because I disagree with you. Great argument.
The EU is indeed too big(legislatively) and bureaucratic.
I honestly wouldn't vote to leave though, there's nothing to gain.
We are stronger as a unit.
It's very, very easy to destroy, guys. Historically too.
>>74775728
To be fair, hes quite a good shill compared to others Ive seen around here. Yeah hes given the game away but thats bound to happen eventually.
Still want him to piss off though.
>>74775874
Indirect election (especially when most Brits have never even heard of him) has a democratic deficit inherently, which I disagree with, which is why I want to leave the EU.
>>74775696
>MEI immer nonig umgsetzt
>nach usschaffigsinitative eifach zweiti initative gmacht (DSI)
>automatischi rechtsöbernahm vode EU
Du muesch scho huere dumm si wennd meinsch mer send ned teil vode EU
>>74775913
Must feel terribly to not have any arguments and just sprout memes around am I right?
>>74774256
>> Sovereignty
>Are you implying we aren't sovereign at the moment? That's a ridiculous claim. Stop fearmongering.
Not quite. National laws and decisions are subject to review by the European Court of Justice and the European Court of Human Rights, which severely restrict national policies. An example. Many states in the EU give Catholics, Protestants and Othodox a priviledged status in funding and education because of their history. The two European courts have destroyed most of this privilege. For instance Spain and Romania had to give up on compulsory religious studies. England had to make its non-confessional moral education classes optional. The UK may keep funding Anglican schools on the condition that Catholic, Mulsim, Hindu schools be offered similar access to public funds; which defeats the very idea of having an established church.
You may welcome these changes. But they should have been decided the parliament after public debates not by European judges, who are not British, know little about Britain and most likely do not care at all about it and its future. Lastly these decisions cannot be altered or revised and constrain the UK for the foreseeable future.
A practical example of lack of sovereignty.
LEAVE THE EU SO WE CAN LEGALLY REGULATE THE SIZE OF OUR OWN CUCUMBERS
IT'S IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>74776125
>European Court of Human Rights
NOT AN EU INSTITUTION]
OH SHIT
>EU says
GOTTA LET UR PRISONERS VOTE
>UK says
NO
>EU does
NOTHING
>UK STATUS
SOVEREIGN
>>74775874
>He was personally selected by David Cameron, the man that more than 11 million Britons wanted to be the Prime Minister of our country.
You're making an assumption that I'm comfortable with our current voting system, I'm not. Nobody directly voted for Cameron, either. You voted for your representation in Parliament, not directly your prime minister.
Well. maybe that's not entirely fair of me to say, 35k people in Witney directly voted for him
>>74776188
>LEAVE THE EU SO WE CAN LEGALLY REGULATE THE SIZE OF OUR OWN CUCUMBERS
Will these Brexit fags realize how fucking retarded they sound? I guess not.
>>74776265
That only went away because another court overruled the one that ruled against us.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/06/uk-ban-on-prisoner-voting-is-lawful-eus-highest-court-rules
>>74776553
Oh, so eventually they just ruled in our favor? That was nice of them. Maybe they're not so bad.
>>74776081
Democracy doesn't mean you have your say in absolutely every choice the PM and the Cabinet make. That's a ridiculous implication.
>>74776125
>National laws and decisions are subject to review by the European Court of Justice and the European Court of Human Rights, which severely restrict national policies.
Something we willingly agreed to abide by when we joined in '73. No one is forcing anybody.
>>74776388
No, we all knew who the PM candidate of the respective party is. Drop the act already. And if you are not content with the final choice then tough luck, that's democracy for you.
>>74776188
>>74776455
>Strawman argument
Hah
>>74776633
They still ruled against us initially, so it's still a net negative on our sovereignty.
>>74776715
>Democracy doesn't mean you have your say in absolutely every choice the PM and the Cabinet make
No, but I do have the chance to vote out my MP if I dislike what their party is doing in government/opposition. I have chance to vote out this faceless EU bureaucrat.
>>74776933
Should be "I have no chance"
Made a typo.
>>74775967
I called you a mong because you knew what the commissions role was but made it sound like it had the power of Parliment or the Council and that we weren't represented in it. Ad hominem would sort of imply I had nothing to attack other than you, which is not the case friendo.
>So you'd be happy if the Queen had a pre-parliament veto on all legislation she disliked?
I don't understand what you mean. The commission isn't the only one that proposes laws.
>near-collapse of the NHS
>house prices to extreme levels.
Literal fearmongering. The NHS is not near collapse, and other than the southeast/London the housing situation is probably fine. Mind you, unlike out voters on here on most things, I can freely admit where I am ignorant. I have not read up on the housing market etc. but I'm not voting to leave the EU just because houses in central London are bought by Chinese billionaires or whatever. And if this was such a big issue, why isn't it brought up more?
>I'd willingly give that up for lower immigration to our small island, lower housing costs and to reduce the pressure on public services
Your opinion, seems not everyone on this island agrees with you
>>74776265
The European Court of Human Rights is part of the package. In theory it is completely separate. In practice the European Court of Justice has started quoting decisions by the ECHR and use them as jurisprudence. How they managed to establish the link is a mystery to me.
The UK should get rid of the ECHR even if it stays in Europe. That would bring some sovereignty back. The Conservatives lack the necessary majority by a handful of votes though. Unfortunately.
>>74776455
fuck off medpack cunt
>>74776715
>No, we all knew who the PM candidate of the respective party is. Drop the act already. And if you are not content with the final choice then tough luck, that's democracy for you
I'm sorry but you seem to be a bit confused. We vote for a MEMBER of PARLIAMENT to REPRESENT US.
We do not directly vote for our Prime Minister. A role which is purely from convention, there is no official law or part of our uncodified constitution which actually gives the role of PM any power
There is no act to drop, this is fact.
I'd much rather a system in which you could directly vote for the head of the executive. But a start is not being in the EU, in which we have a single EU commissioner of which we did not directly vote for either.
>>74777169
>being this autistic
Holy shit I hope not everyone in your family is that severly affected
>>74776118
The Commission differs from the other institutions in that it alone has legislative initiative in the EU. Only the Commission can make formal proposals for legislation: they cannot originate in the legislative branches. Under the Treaty of Lisbon, no legislative act is allowed in the field of the Common Foreign and Security Policy. In the other fields the Council and Parliament are able to request legislation; in most cases the Commission initiates the basis of these proposals. This monopoly is designed to ensure coordinated and coherent drafting of EU law.
proof commission has supreme legislative power in the eu
source:https://web.archive.org/web/20071025203706/http://register.consilium.europa.eu/pdf/en/02/cv00/00230en2.pdf
The Commission is composed of a college of "Commissioners" of 28 members, including the President and vice-presidents. Even though each member is appointed by a national government, one per state, they do not represent their state in the Commission.
proof the commission is not democratically elected as they do not represent the state from which they originate ie. the government/people who elected/chose them
source:http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00f6hbp
democracy-government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
source:http://www.dictionary.com/browse/democracy?s=t
from this we know conclusively that the eu is undemocratic as SUPREME legislative power lies with an unelected body, directly contradictory to the definition of democracy
>>74777275
fuck off medpack cunt
>>74777327
The EU is not only undemocratic - it is anti-democratic; designed to be so.
>>74774183
He is lad.
Tuesday.
Exact location to be announced.
>>74776188
I mean the EU got rid of that anyway and most countries opposed it and everyone took the piss out of it
>>74777275
>A FUCKING MEDPACK
>>74776933
Why do you assume that you should have a chance? Do you also insist on having your say regarding Mr Cameron's breakfast? Where does your selfishness end?
>>74777267
So your personal issues have nothing to do with the EU? You just dislike our political system and you take your anger and frustration on the EU.
>>74777026
>I called you a mong because you knew what the commissions role was but made it sound like it had the power of Parliment or the Council and that we weren't represented in it.
The commission is unelected by actual voters. And they even swear to not care for our interests in their oaths
>There is one member per member state, but members are bound by their oath of office to represent the general interest of the EU as a whole rather than their home state.
And yes they are the only body in the EU with the legal power to propose legislation. The parliament can grovel to them and ask for things, but the commission has the legal power to ignore it.
>other than the southeast/London the housing situation is probably fine.
Yes, this is why the average first time homebuyer is now 35 years old. No one can afford housing any more, we're all stuck on rentals for life, making landlords richer and never being able to save up well enough to buy.
>And if this was such a big issue, why isn't it brought up more?
It is, have you never watched question time? Housing comes up every other week.
>Your opinion, seems not everyone on this island agrees with you
Obviously, but it seems somewhere between 45 and 53% of people do agree. I'm just stating my reasoning for voting leave.
>>74777267
Why exactly do you want to vote every key figure?
Do you also think that the corporate boss should be elected by his workers?
>>74777275
>let me give you 350 million pounds a week so that you can regulate the size of my cucumbers
this is how retarded you sound
>>74776388
Are you telling me you want to vote on every law passed, every position elected in international organisations for the UK etc.?
That's sort of the point of voting for a prime minister, he represents the British people
>>74777576
>Why do you assume that you should have a chance?
If someone is making legislation on our behalf the voter should have the right to vote them out.
>Do you also insist on having your say regarding Mr Cameron's breakfast? Where does your selfishness end?
Straw man argument. Cameron's breakfast doesn't effect the law of this country.
>>74776715
>> National laws and decisions are subject to review by the European Court of Justice and the European Court of Human Rights, which severely restrict national policies.
> Something we willingly agreed to abide by when we joined in '73. No one is forcing anybody.
True. It was agreed in 1973. But the role of the courts has expanded enormously. Originally it was something like an arbitration court between the competing interests of the member states. By now it is a fully fledged Supreme Court. Its powers were partly expanded by the new treaties and partly by its own decisions.
I was confortable with the ECJ as a quasi-arbitration court. I am not with its current role. And I am adamantly against its ability to extend its powers by itself or stealth collaboratin with the ECHR.
I am against the ECHR. I believe British law and British courts uphold our rights well enough. No need for outside interference.
>>74777650
fuck off medpack cunt
>>74767547
Can someone give me an ELI5 for a poor americlap over here? What is this? Why the big deal? What is the timeline?
>>74777650
Bosses aren't making law
>>74777576
>So your personal issues have nothing to do with the EU? You just dislike our political system and you take your anger and frustration on the EU.
What the fuck even is your argument?
I like democracy. I like the direct election of our executive. You CANNOT directly vote for our executive representation in the EU Commission. My stance has been entirely consistent. Why would I complain about our election process for our executive in this country then somehow be completely fine with the executive selection process in the EU? Of course my dislike for our system in the UK would extend to the EU.
Unfortunately, reforming the EU commission is nigh impossible whereas voting reform in regards to a separation of powers between the legislative and executive in the UK certainly is. It would make sense that someone from my view position would hate the EU.
>>74777988
The boss makes the rules / laws in the corporation. Similiar as how the government makes the laws in a country.
Do you also think the boss should be elected by his workers?
>inb4 this is completely different!!
>>74777699
>Are you telling me you want to vote on every law passed
No because the people judge a government's whole legislative work at election time.
>every position elected in international organisations for the U
The person the UK sends to unicef or whatever isn't making binding laws affecting this country.
>>74778166
i don't think you understand how democracy works
>>74777699
How did you come to that conclusion?
Wanting to have a separate executive and legislature in which you can vote for either is hardly a radical idea, nor does it have anything to do with a direct democracy system under referendums
>>74778166
fuck off medpack cunt
>>74778324
>avoiding the question
Yep, that's what I thought.
>>74777737
>If someone is making legislation on our behalf the voter should have the right to vote them out.
Oh, I see. So you simply do not know what the role of the European Commission is, or that its members ``pledge to respect the EU Treaties and to be completely independent in carrying out their duties''. They are not there to represent your personal interests. They are skilled professionals who give their valuable opinions on various topics.
>Straw man argument. Cameron's breakfast doesn't effect the law of this country.
Nor does the choice of an European Commissioner.
>>74777998
>What the fuck even is your argument?
That Britain will lose more than what it will gain if leaves the EU.
For the rest, read above.
>>74777699
>That's sort of the point of voting for a prime minister, he represents the British people
but you don't vote for a prime minister currently
