What is to be done about this little enclave /pol/? It's gnawing at me.
* Let Russia keep it
* Give it back to Germany
* Give it to Poland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Prussians
Return to rightful owners
>>74742062
Two of those options create a nuclear war.
>>74742241
Those got assimilated, so unless German Prussians want, it will stay with Russia.
>>74742062
Russia won't make the Russians it transplanted there leave. It tried to sell the area back to Germany but still filled with Russians, but nobody is stupid enough to willingly accept ethnic Russians and give Russia a permanent potential cause for war.
>>74742062
Well...we could try and take it for ourselves.
>>74742062
Make it a new country, Prussians, and have the Russians only let in redpilled Germans, not the cuck variety who will fuck it up by inviting 3rd world savages.
>>74742062
Give the Baltic states and Belarus to Russia then it will not be an enclave. Best solution to the Kaliningrad problem.
>>74742684
I'd rather get nuked
>>74742725
This can be arranged.
>>74742684
Or you could fuck off back to Asia and Ukraine and return baltic land up to Moscow.
>>74742684
Give Königsberg to Poland or Germany, no more problem.
>>74742062
Give it to Poland so we can retake it easier.
The Poles will run away when they see us turbo degenerating through the country
>>74742767
It is filled with Russians.
>>74742755
>Balts actually believe they ever lived that far east
>>74742780
It's not 1939 anymore, Hans.
another dank pol fantasy thread ;)
>>74742780
You don't have an army and you have a massive Fifth Column infiltrating your whole country
>>74742062
Wait 20 years for Russias population to halve due to record low birthrates.
Buy for a few hundred million
>>74742892
Population is stabilising.
>>74742836
>Russians actually are this delusional
>>74742886
I wasn't talking about our army, anon
>>74742836
>filled with untermenschen
What problem?
>>74742836
They might have did, it's hard to tell, but I'm sure as hell that finno ugrics did.
>>74742840
>it will never be 1939 again
>you will never go back in time and ensure Hitler wins the war
If Germany had balls, when Russia "liberated" Crimea they should have used the same tactics to liberate Königsberg.
>>74742062
If you dont want Iskander Short range nukes in your synagogue in London I suggest you dont touch it
>>74742062
Give it to Czech Republic. After all it was founded by King Ottokar II. so why shouldn't we have the right to take what we made?
>>74742949
Absorbing a few million Ukrainians doesn't count, vatnik
>>74742886
>Estonia
>Having an armed forces
;)
Give it back to Kalin, whoever he is.
>>74743062
>King Ottokar II
Fucking crusaders, man.
>>74742974
Delusional about what?
>>74743005
You should read Nietzsche again because that term does not mean what you think it means.
>>74743009
Finno-Ugrics were absorbed into Russia.
>>74743063
Births are up, deaths are down.
>>74742062
I've been thinking about that and I think Poland should incorporate it like Russia did with Crimea, but it should also give the remaining wealth there to legal german inheritors
>>74743044
There is no German population there and Germans are too weak to ever do that.
>>74743086
Hey, at least they spend 2 % GDP for it.
>>74743086
I was personally conscripted and trained to fight
Even though we're small, I still know my country is doing much more to protect itself than cucked Europe
>>74743044
>If Germany had balls, when Russia "liberated" Crimea they should have used the same tactics to liberate Königsberg.
Well the difference is that Crimeans are 100% ethnic Russians and voted legally according to UN human rights, of the right of the people to decide.
In the same manner Kaliningradians are 100% ethnic Russians and want to stay with Russia.
Nice try though Steinberg.
>>74743063
>what is natural growth
>>74742062
this is not an enclave, mohammed, it is an exclave.
>>74742062
Why? The gommies have ruined everything good and replaced it with gommieblocks.
Leave it to Russia or give it to Lithuania, they need clay the most.
Rightful Swedish clay
>>74742062
Implying you can do anything about it. It has more rockets in it than all surrounding countries combined
>>74743140
>Finno-Ugrics were absorbed into Russia.
I know, most of them are, so it shouldn't be surprised that Balts lived as far as western Russia too, though it's more likely that they did so in northern Dnieper basin.
Why the fuck would want to give that to Germany? Merkel will flood it with Syrians. Just leave the place alone. It belongs to Russia.
>>74743307
Honestly, it should just go to Lithuania.
Make it Independent
>>74743305
If they did it was long before records began.
>>74743348
Honestly. no it should not.
>>74743174
Ethnic German living in Japan, here.
Russ bro, hear me out. My grand parents were from East Prussia.
I mean no hostility to you, but Is there any safe solution to giving this peace of land back to Germany? Maybe a special economic deal with
Germany, perhaps? This is very important to me.
>>74742241
>implying Germany deserves a 3rd chance
>>74742264
Not necessarily. We take Kaliningrad off their hands and in return Russia gets Crimea, Eastern Ukraine and European Turkey with Constantinople (as soon as we've removed kebab.)
>>74742062
Since "everybody" wants to claim it in some way, even if no one of the "original" people are there anymore, I think we should reform that area to a huge holiday resort where germany and the countries east of it meet during holidays and get to "know" each other. It will be like a european save haven. That´s the place were "multiculti" (only europe) can happen or where same race mixing people can meet other european ethnities. Only there, multiculti is allowed.
>>74743393
Yeltsin and Putin actually offered it back to Germany twice in return for economic help when Russian was struggling heavily. Germany refused the deal.
>>74743410
Those aren't germans.
Prussians were a baltic tribe, until teutons came over, started killing them, forced they're language onto them and then said "we prussians now lmao"
>>74743437
Russia should get Belarus. The country is already very Russified anyways.
>>74742062
>give back to germany
>right-wing party rises
>kicks out all libtards
>germany is great again
>they invade the whole world just so they can unite with that shitty piece of land as an excuse
fuck krauts
>>74743348
Not really, maybe just eastern edges of it, though when Russians keked Germans out of there, they did same with minority of Lithuanians that lift there, what was left of them at least. Though I did calculation, and percentage wise, if we added Kalliningrad to Lithuania, our Russian population would be same as in Latvia and Lithuania.
>>74743348
We were given the offer to take Kaliningrad in 1950 and declined, I'd rather we declined again given the offer.
Poland should have it though.
>>74743390
>If they did it was long before records began.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galindians
Might have did, but it's speculative, it's really hard to guess with no literary sources.
>>74743674
Interesting.
>>74743469
Yes, I am aware... We refused because we were afraid everyone would accuse Germany of "expansionism" as we just reunited with the DDR... Actually, politicians in the western countries, most notably UK, were even against East German West German reunification, but we managed to get that...
It is frustrating, my Russ friend...
>>74742062
Option 4 Obviously, Gib it to Bangladesh...in 50 yrs when we go under the sea, we'll rename it New BD.
>>74743561
*lived
*Estonia
>>74743086
>t. 61% white
>>74742062
Remove non-Germans from there and give it back to Bundesrepublik. Give free housing to Prussian expulsees there and some land. Then reclaim whole of Prussia.
>>74743778
Do you poo in the loo? I don't want Baltic sea to be full of shit... More then it right now.
>>74743876
Oh wow, you sure got us there.
Seriously, you need to make a more organized army to prevent fucking Russia from destroying you.
>>74743987
please take Eastern Poland its a shit land that only drains money
>>74743206
>Well the difference is that Crimeans are 100% ethnic Russians and voted legally according to UN human rights, of the right of the people to decide.
Let's capture building of Crimean parliament with a bunch of armed as fuck troops, use civilians to block Ukrainian army bases and then say the voting was legal.
Nice try, Sven.
>>74743876
74%*
>>74744016
>Russia from destroying you.
I don't think that's possible, we could perhaps make them bleed for it, but if they wanted, they could just send masses of soldiers, tanks, planes and anything else.
>>74743997
Yes we do, Gib Land Pls.
>>74742735
Top kek, vodka.
>>74744101
There is literally nothing wrong with this.
>>74744016
If Russia actually wanted to destroy them all they could do is make high casualties. They would inevitably lose.
>>74744113
>62%
>>74742062
Post Soviet Union Kalingrad is useless to Russia besides it being a naval base. It's surrounded by countries that don't like Russia and you have to take a train or road through Lithuania or Poland to reach proxy state Belarus for shipping goods to get in.
>>74743062
>King Ottokar II
GodDamn, Kek'd.
>>74744177
Here you go, we do it medieval style, rights to any Russian territory in Prussia you conquerer.
>>74743778
I read that Russia is in the mid term (2020 - 2050) looking to attract immigrants from Indochina, Pakistan and you guys to fill up the vacant manual jobs since Central Asia won't give the needed number of workers.
Would any Bengali go that far north? How do you handle the cold?
>>74743753
>most notably UK
The German part of me makes me wish the Eternal Anglo hadn't fucked with Germany desu.
>>74744595
No, we are actually deporting people at the moment because of the decline in the economy. Also the huge Ukrainian influx has filled any demand there could have been.
>>74742836
>takes land
>systematically remove former civilians
>fills it with Ruskies
G-guys its filled with russians so its russian
Personally i think its yours because you won it in war but your argument is retarded
>>74744526
Oh thank you and Bless you bro...!
>>74744270
74%*
>>74742413
Nonono, my suicidal friend, since Old Prussians were of Baltic stock, the clay goes to the nearest relative, that means you.
Good luck with the endless German butthurt.
>>74744831
That isn't true. If anything, it's probably lower than 60%, considering the time since 2013 and all the fucking illegals.
>>74744831
You are 60% white. 74% includes, Hispanics, Turks, Iranians, Jews and Arabs which the US government thinks are white for some reason.
>>74744595
>How do you handle the cold?
OK I guess, there's a ton of Bangladeshi in Sweden/Denmark...I'v got 5 of my relatives living in Sweden with family.
>>74744864
>Good luck with the endless German butthurt.
They will be to busy dealing with Ahmeds.
>>74745008
>Muslim immigrants
>in Sweden
Say it aint so
>>74744695
Yeah, I know, but with the projected normal growth of your economy in the next 30 years you will need 10 million new immigrants.
And in the same period male population in Central Asia will grow for 10 millions excatly. Given the fact that every single one of them won't move to Russia, you will need unskilled workforce form some other regions.
>>74742062
Russia has more than enough land.
Prussia is like the spine of Germany, we can't survive without it.
>>74745094
>believing the eternal economic growth meme
>wanting Russia to take """"temporary guest workers"""
Why do you hate Russia so much?
>>74745094
There is no normal growth in Russia and we don't need immigrants.
>>74745051
I'v got 9 relatives in UK too. two of them visiting us for a month right now.
>>74745397
If they are on benefits, please dispose of them.
>>74745094
Central Asia has EU level barely sustainable pop growth rates, eventually third world'ers have to fill some void.
>>74742062
Rightfull german clay.
Modern Germany would never exist if this land wasn't under Hohenzollern rule
>>74745505
Nope both work for BT. doing quite well there.
>>74745593
Nope, our population is stabilising and if anything it will probably start growing mor ebecause of the turn towards social conservatism and religion. We do not need your kind here. Central Asia also needs no immigrants because they are just agricultural and oil based. They also have positive growth trends for the most part. Go to the USA instead, they are the land of immigrants after all.
>>74743227
It entirely depends on your point of view hue-lander.
A Russian would call it an exclave to be sure, but it is also an enclave of the EU.
>>74744864
That's not how inheritance function you filthy serb
>>74744270
Well most of those Hispanics aren't here legally which means we can deport there ass which unlike britcucks we will actually do.
>>74745741
>they are the land of immigrants after all
WHITE immigrants only, pls. Yes, slavs are white. Bengalis are not white.
>>74742062
forget it, anglo scum
>>74743444
good idea
weather's not great though
>>74743291
What about a straight swap, Kaliningrad for complete control of Constantinople and the Bosphorus. You'd be mad to say no.
>>74744900
I'm 100% white, YOU are 100% Mongol
>>74745208
>Russia has more than enough land.
None of your business.
>>74746084
>Wanting a city of T*rks
>>74746103
I'm Russian, not Tatar.
For once motherland managed to get a pice of europe and some asian wasteland and you want to give it away? Fuck that. What we should have done in 1945 is deport all locals and move to Germany, just like hunns of the past horded to roman citises. Those wonderful warm fertile lands instead of this frozen hell... WW3 when?
>>74745741
>they are just agricultural
Our poorest migrants are basically Agro workers too, it really shouldn't be too difficult switching to wheat from rice. with C.A males getting richer from oil revenues they'll shy away from tedious manual labour in the fields and we'll do it for them...
>>74745276
Well, for what is worth, here are my sources, just as it wouldn't seem I am pulling facts out of my ass.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2015/04/08/is-the-supply-of-migrants-to-russia-exhausted/#19f09a6a5c84
http://valdaiclub.com/opinion/highlights/russia_needs_more_immigrants/
And as far as demographics go, I sencirely wish you the best of luck. Breed like motherfucking rabbits.
>>74746284
so it wouldn't seem
Why is that Russian anyway?
>>74743393
Partition of butthurt belt is the only solution.
>>74746148
>not wanting to make Constantinople an Orthodox Christian city again
Clear out the turks, Ivan
>>74745717
They have to go back.
>>74746284
>Forbes
>Commissioner for Entrepreneurs' Rights
>>74746362
Why not?
>>74746371
No, we instead partition Russia.
>>74742062
give the balts back to russia
>>74746084
Wow what an offer, Who wouldn't love to have 20 million Turks added to their Population...!
>>74742780
All you can retake is bbc.
>>74746362
Because WWII
>>74742062
It is obvious, you give Eastern and Central Europe to Russia!
Bam - no more enclave problem!
>>74746505
gib Wilno
>>74746567
Go home little brown man.
>>74742062
just let russia annex baltic countries and ukraine with belarus and it will be fine
>>74746567
>implying
If germany wss givin control of kaliningrad, who would they vote for in german elections?
>>74746740
Pre ww1 borders would be nice for everyone involved minus poland.
>>74742062
Give it to Poland
Fuck Germany
>>74746668
>give
Dude, you unilaterally gave it all up.
Which nationalities do you think Gorbachev and Yeltsin were? Samoan?
>>74746796
>Because the last Gallipoli went so smashingly well?
>>74747015
Gorbachev was a Ukrainian, Yeltsin was a jew.
I'm not a revanchist though, let them have it, in fact we must give away even more lands, Chechnya-Dagestan especially.
>>74746505
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Stop butthurt and let's work for the best future. Otherwise you will be divided between Russia and Germany just to destroy "economical barier" between countries in long terms.
>>74744695
Oh wow russia acually sends them back after using them. What a novel idea of statecraft
>>74746121
Of course it is my business when they own German land as a trophy
>>74745397
Are they on welfare?
>>74746949
Nobody cares about Poland
>>74745505
Arent like 80% of muslims in the uk on benefits?
Give it to Poland, Russia is large enough. If those people living there identify as Russians so much, they are free to move to Russia.
>>74747461
Girl who loved me now love ukrainian "refugee".
>>74742886
>you don't have an army
how long did it take last time for Germany to become the worlds biggest superpower, from lit rumble?
>you have a massive Fifth Column infiltrating your whole country
how is that different from the 19-33?
aaah... we can only hope.. unfortunately their leader is a kike who seeks to destroy not only Germany but the nords in the process.
I keep dreaming of Germans waking the fuck up and do what's right, kill Merkel, make the 4th reich and start solving the immigrant and jew problem, once and for all.
>>74742062
Evict the ruskies and split between Poland and Lithuania.
>>74747526
80% of Indian restaurants in UK is run by Bangla people. a lot of them run neighbourhood small shops too, but some of the housewives there are listed as unemployed by UK govt.
also read>>74745717
>>74747749
>I keep dreaming of Germans waking the fuck up and do what's right, kill Merkel, make the 4th reich and start solving the immigrant and jew problem, once and for all.
>this will never happen
>>74748090
That's a rather un-healthy and un-patriotic wet dream IMHO.
>>74748280
I'm partially 'muh heritage' German. I don't have German citizenship or anything. How am I supposed to feel?
>>74748483
Stop being a heritage cuck.
Eastern part should go to us, all the rest should go to Germans or Poles. But first we need to exterminate all slav filth from the region.
>>74746720
Do you mean that there are Poles retarded enough to think that Vilnius was historically a Polish city?
Why do we always have to be like cat and mouse?
>>74746530
Wouldn't be a first time you sell us out, you fat fuck.
>>74742062
Anyone but Russia, please. German, Polish, Lithuanian, who cares?
>>74748521
Should I abandon my Anlo-Germanic heritage? I think not.
>>74743444
>not a blue, red, and white sweater.
>>74742755
t. butthurt belt
>>74748729
Just be an Anglo.
>>74742062
We don't want it so let russians keep it, same with ukraine and belarus let them be, people have this retarded idea more land = better country but if you have to invest billions to develop it, which you can't do because it drag you down in the first place having more land only fuck you up in the long term, especially if there is nothing there.
>>74748774
Anglos come from Germany
>>74748911
So why do Germans always post about them being non-white?
>>74748774
I'm also Irish desu. Anglo is the smallest part of my DNA.
>tfw you fit in nowhere
>>74749186
So a mutt then. Just identify with where you live. Don't be like the Americans.
>>74749315
[spoiler]I'm American ;_;[/spoiler]
>>74746740
good post russiabro
>>74749370
Die.
>>74749515
I'm British too :^)
I support Germany taking Ostprußen
>>74743444
We need a Vivan gif for every country, starting with Australia
>>74749370
same :^)
>>74742062
put the muslims there
Kaliningrad should be annexed tbqh famalay
What's all this talk about Germany "retaking" it?
You know Russia offered to sell it to Germany in 1990 after the reunification and Germany declined becauser there are no germans left and it's frankly a worthless piece of land.
>muh clay
Come and take it :D:D
>>74750003
>You know Russia offered to sell it to Germany in 1990
citation needed. Implying westerners wouldnt buy it so russia is not that close to EU borders
>>74742725
Well I guess we have the answer right here.
How can Russia have that little enclave without penalty but when I do it I get massive overextension and can't core it so I get rebels anyway
>>74750249
Which one are you playing?
>>74750324
Forgot pic
>>74750118
http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-70569479.html
>>74750324
France >.<
>>74742062
Integrate it to the 3rd French Empire, spanning from Lisbon to Warsaw, from Copenhagen to Roma.
You know it's the only right thing to do.
>>74750249
Russia had historic cores there. Like they have on all of eastern europe :^)
>>74750427
EUIV?
>>74750535
Oh yeah I'm to pleb to play the big boy paradox games
>>74750522
Oh hey it's you :)
Post boipussy?
>>74750522
why are you sucking so much commie dick germancuck? Or are you commie yourself?
>>74750819
I was making a joke.
>>74750891
well it didnt work
>>74750990
You know how it is with german humour.
>YES GOY GIVE MORE LAND TO GERMANY, MORE KEKED LAND IN EUROPE IS WHAT WE NEED HEHEHE
>>74742062
Send all the Russians back to Russia, completely dismantle the city, brick by brick depopulate the surrounding countryside. We can pretend that nothing ever happened there.
>>74750990
German humor is about ironically acting like a retard.
>>74751067
y-yeah haha
anyways, you shouldve bought the fucking land on given opportunity. Less commie land + better life for everyone
>>74751199
It would just have been a drain And better life for whom? Certainly not germans as they are none left there.
Friendly reminder USSR wanted go give East Germany Konigsberg but Germany refused.
>>74742062
Make it European Union territory. That way the bureaucrats in Brussels can vent their national policy urges without harming sovereign nations.
>>74751126
Nice flag
>>74751071
>NO NO GOY GIVE THE LAND TO THE SLAVS! MORE COMMUNIST SHITHOLES IS WHAT WE NEED!
>>74742735
Yeah, implying your ancient nuclear arsenal isnt rusting away in some siberian basement.
They should turn it into a white reservation.
>>74751621
Where is your nuclear arsenal?
>>74751605
>Strayan talking about european geopolitics
Nice meme
>>74751605
Jokes about gommie Russians aren't funny anymore.
>giving germans land
>ever
i'd rather live with russians shitting on my doorstep instead of these "tanned germans"
>>74743437
this here is the only acceptable option.
Give us all of Ukraine and let us keep liberated Constantinople oblast (formerly known as turkey) and you can have Kaliningrad.
>>74751860
Are they royalist now
>>74748543
shut up, rat
>>74743437
Abdul i know you are stupid goatfucker but, that little tiny city called Kaliningrad have enough nukes to glass europe into bronze age.
