How would you introduce better gun laws in the United States? Or do you think they're pointless?
Explain.
>>74689702
I don't know if you can pick up on this or not but I think they're pointless
Get rid of gun-free zones.
>>74689702
They are pointless and should be revoked. Also unconstitutional.
>>74689702
SHALL
>>74689702
i would get rid of the laws. no one should own bazookas or anything though. we can draw the line there i think. everything else should be ccw or open carry and the pussy ass faggots can move to canada if they don't like it. i want a warrior culture.
Follow the Five Rules and use a solid two-hand grip and the sights.
>>74690601
>I support the 2A
>...but
Muh arbitrary laws. You can already legally own a "Bazooka" and the explosive rocket for it. Guess how many bazooka killings there are each year?
Basing a law on fee-fees is retarded, just like you.
>>74689702
I think the best way of solving school shootings is to do something about bullying.
>>74690674
>5
It's four.
>>74690699
Yeah, re-instate it so that men stop being pussies.
>>74689702
>better
No.
>>74690553
NOT
>>74690700
Depends, some are 4, 5, others 10, but you get the idea.
>>74690700
>4
No.
This is my opinion on gun control
Remove the NFA
Let states decide their own gun laws as long as they don't infringe on the 2nd Amendment
>>74689702
If we repeal the NFA we will have better gun laws.
>>74690728
Do you want more school shootings or not?
>>74690772
INFRINGE
>>74689702
They laws we have are fine. If anything we need less restrictions. Anything horribly destructive is already classified as such (explosives, etc.) and you have to have a background check and a tax stamp to get anything fun like full auto or suppressed.
You have to pass a federal background check to even purchase a firearm unless it's a private transaction. Lying on the form or possessing a firearm as a felon is is felony in itself. There are already plenty of laws.
The problem is that people don't give a fuck about laws just like they don't give a fuck about gun free zones. Why do you think mass shootings happen in "safe spaces"?
If anything people that have been authorized by the state to carry a concealed firearm should be allowed to do it regardless of venue.
>>74689702
Predicating residency on gun ownership and citizenship on veteran status.
>>74690918
The weak should fear the strong.
>>74690918
Prove that bullying causes school shootings.
>>74689702
i would say, "there are no gun laws in the united states anymore," and then i would clap
>>74689702
I'd make it mandatory for all Americans to own a gun. Anyone unwilling should be deported to Mexico with the illegals.
>>74691111
Aren't all those school shooters some sort of bully victim who don't really want to be at school?
I'm a liberal so I'm sorta obligated to be biased against guns. That being said, here's my opinion:
>We have a constitutional right to bear arms
This is unarguable, thus anything short of an amendment (which will never happen) is pointless to pursue. That being said
>Guns are subject to regulation like anything else (including other constitutional rights)
Only an idiot would advocate for completely unrestricted arms use. It doesn't take a lot of imagination to consider the pitfalls there. I think that a proper amount of regulation is completely justified to keep people safe. That being said, limiting magazine capacity and that kind of shit is retarded. The more sensible solution is things like mandatory arms training (cutting down on accidental deaths which contribute a pretty hefty percentage of gun deaths)
>Gun culture is autistic
There's no real nuance to this point, I just think people who own lots of guns are insecure man children
>>74691051
When the weak has a .38 special in his backpack the strong ain't shit no more
>>74691189
based kiwi
Disband the NFA. It was a law passed without any real need to do so.
>>74691194
Hahaha, no. Majority of them were never bullied, but guess what most have in common? SSRIs.
>>74691435
The great equalizer.
>>74691194
The guys involved in the columbine shootings were very popular
>>74689702
I would start in liberal cities and states. Start with things like bullet buttons and 10 round magazines. There's even some old fudd gun owners who would agree with that too. Like Bill Ruger for example said, "No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in a magazine."
It's really quite simple, start in liberal areas with the bigger things like magazine capacity limits, and assault weapon bans. Use the ATF for things in rural areas. Such as all the 80% lower shit going on and the sig brace. Just slowly whittle away the remaining rights we have, and keep importing shitskin immigrants who vote democrat. In 20 years or so you can now start some more outright legislation since in most areas you will have a majority of voters. Also getting liberal supreme court justices will be our undoing more than anything else besides all the shitskin democrat voters.
Gun rights are a never ending battle, but I fully expect to be most of the way towards Australia in 25 years.
>>74689702
I think they're pretty pointless. I understand the need, at large events, to leave security to trained professionals which is why I still sorta support "gun free" zones, but that should be up to the owner of the venue.
There are many more ways to reduce crime than just taking everyone's guns away/giving everybody a gun, and it's a shame we spend so much time on that one thing.
>>74689702
Mandatory gun ownership provided by the state.
>>74691586
And in twenty years time blacks will still be killing blacks at the same rate but whites will be dying more via lack of protection.
Remove all gun free zones, magazine restrictions, etc. Everywhere in the country.
Allow open and concealed carry everywhere, for everyone.
Then register all the weapons (why not? Guns are acceptable everywhere now) to ensure no one has obtained any illegally and won't be able to in the future.
Then instate a mandatory execution for anyone committing any crime with a gun, or possessing one while committing a crime, or selling them or obtaining them illegally.
Outlaw sales to anyone on antidepressants.
Then just sit back and watch all crime in America disappear
>>74689702
Better gun laws?
Make it easier to import shit so we can get some of those sweet Sig 550's and QBZ's
Make its legal to manufacture full autos for civilian market really could not care if they were kept class 3. Make sbs and sbr's non class 3 really no reason to have them that way. Make it easier to export guns currently we have shit arms export laws. There better gun laws that niggers cucked back in the 60s and 80s
>>74691435
When the weak are too weak to aim and pull a trigger, they get laughed at and killed by the cops.
an armed society is a polite society.
when more productive members of society carry things will get better
>>74691693
implying this will stop niggers killing eachother in the hood.
>>74691704
>Rapists and murderers shouldn't be allowed to live
>Liberals act like they're so morally superior!!!
Nice
>>74691893
You must have missed the mandatory executions part.
Crime wouldn't disappear immediately, but eventually there would be no criminals left
>>74689702
>How would you introduce better gun laws in the United States?
The Second Amendment cannot be improved upon.
>>74689702
>How would you introduce better gun laws in the United States?
I wouldn't.
If it were up to me, I'd make it so the only thing you had to prove to buy a firearm is that you're an adult and a citizen.
Owning firearms is a right and laws against firearms are an infringement upon that right.
>>74691688
It's going to suck but we're losing. Even if Trump gets elected there's simply too many spics here as it is. We don't have enough children and whites are split democrat and republican as it is.
Our gun rights are going to come to an end or be severely limited within our lifetimes.
Better enjoy it while we can and stock up.
>>74689702
they are pointless. gun violence and poverty are coorelated. who is poor in america? 30 percent of black families, 25 percent of hispanic families and 10 percent of white families. 70 percent of black children are born out of wedlock and 50 percent are raised by single mothers. black people lead shitty lives. black culture needs to stop playing the victim and work on its family values. liberal white people also need to stop fostering bad habits and stop making excuses for poor black behavior. it goes both ways.
>>74689702
Ban niggers and spics from guns. Mandatory gun ownership for Whites.
>>74691433
Accidental deaths are an extremely small percentage. They artificially bump up the "accidental" deaths numbers by including suicides which are not accidental and not caused by the gun or mishandling of the gun. Those people want to die and a gun is the quickest most painless way for them to die. No amount of classes or permits would fix that.
According to the university of utah in 2010 there were only 600 accidental gun deaths in the entire country. About 1.9% of total gun deaths. By misleadingly including suicides they can bump that number up to 63% of gun deaths.
600 accidental deaths out of 320 million people and 100 million gun owners owning 353 million guns.
The anti gun people use quite a few misleading numbers to try and portray firearms as unstoppable dangerous killing machines.
Source
http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html
The second amendment is about the people's right to revolt so the people should be allowed to be well armed.
>Gun culture is autistic
>>There's no real nuance to this point, I just think people who own lots of guns are insecure man children
Yet again you just show how childish most liberals are. They're the ones that tie up their masculinity and identity in their hobbies. Not gun hobbiests. It's just something fun they like to do.
The "man child" label is used by liberals because that's something that would work against an insecure liberal, so they believe gun advocates care if you say stuff like that.
It just shows your immaturity when you try to attack those you disagree with at such a childish level.
>>74692406
Look, I live in the south. I know a lot of people with a lot of guns. Not all of them are children when it comes to guns, but many many are. Maybe it's just a regional thing, but I doubt it
>>74691743
But we're not talking about the ones that are too weak to pull the trigger, are we? They are'nt the reason for the gun control. The gun control shit is because of the people who will pull the trigger.
>>74692582
>muh anecdote
So the 30 or 40 people at MOST that you know act like children and own guns. Now make an argument.
>>74692582
>look at my anecdote
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>>74692582
>>74692406
Okay, apparently my ID is Baka
>n-notice me gunpai!
>>74692750
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>>74692657
>Anecdotes are fine when /pol/ uses them
I'm not saying this proves anything, I'm just saying that I personally hate gun culture. I see it as childish and a waste of time and money. Now attack me for my opinion
>>74692926
We'll you're a big fat faggot.
A good place to start would be reopening the registry so it's easier to get post-86 full auto receivers.
>>74692926
Ok your opinion is shit hating gun culture is like hating the best parts of america.
>>74692926
Your opinion is wrong and based in falsehoods. Eat a dick.
>>74692992
I'm not fat
>>74693065
How so? Paying a retarded amount of money to own something that you can't use for its intended purpose except on stupid animals? Big deal
>>74689702
They're pointless
>>74693186
What is a guns intended purpose? And even given this, in what way is using an object outside of its "intended purpose" bad if it still works?
>>74693186
most firearms are bought for self defense
>>74693186
>Not enjoy plinking targets with a .22
>never having done a mag dump by bump firing
>never sat around camp fire shooting the shit with friends
>never did a firing line with friends
>not going camping and target shooting with friends while u cook burgers on camping grill
>not loving the smell of gun powder
>now loving the mess of dust and shit after firing black powder
>not liking learning about the history of a gun you got
>not like taking apart your gun to lube it and figuring out how it works
>not wanting to be buried in a drum of cosmoline
>not buying military surplus to fucking around
>not printing out targets of niggers and shooting them
>not like shooting tannerite
its like you hate fun
>>74689702
I'd abolish all gun laws, keep legislation against military explosive ordinance.
I'd legalize all drugs while funding an ad campaign against them.
Finally, if your gun is used to commit a crime, both the wielder of the gun, and the owner of the gun serve an identical sentence. Regardless of the situation, if a gun is linked back to your ownership by any means, you're liable for any crime it was used in.
>>74693456
Killing things, obviously. It's not a fucking hole punch. And I'm not saying it's bad, I'm explaining why I don't find it interesting. It's a mindless hobby to me.
>>74693516
Yeah I'm not talking about those people. I'm talking about people who's main hobby is guns
>>74692926
>I must make my opinions known!
Get out.
>>74693689
If that's your idea of fun, you're small minded
>>74689702
I don't think it's legal to keep guns out of the hands of niggers without changing the constitution. That is why I support repealing the 13th.
>>74689702
make niggers and shitskins not people under the constitution so the second doesn't apply to them.
give every person an armory.
>>74689702
Start actually meeting gun owners halfway on legislation. Give and take instead of just take.
>>74689959
get rid of the jews
>>74693689
I've literally done all of this. Best times of my life
We have background checks already, and you can't have stuff like full autos unless you apply and have more extensive checking done and spend tens of thousands. We have a mental health problem. The thing is though, if someones not mentally fit to own a gun, then they shouldn't be fit to walk among us and have access to things like cars and knives.
>>74689702
make all weapons marginally legal to own, but prohibitively expensive based on meme danger level pop-media says "oh a gun with a magazine over 12 rounds is ultra deadly now? okay all those guns cost several hundred thousand dollars to purchase"
Also anyone visibly carrying in public gets hassled about it by the police.
>>74693868
>small minded
Ok there buddy your superiority complex is showing. Its not just pointing and shooting when hunting or target shooting theres alot more to it but judging by your post I doubt you have ever fired a gun let alone hunted or went to a range.
>>74694014
Example - they want to require licenses to purchase/own a firearm. They think you should have to demonstrate a basic understanding of firearms laws and demonstrate proficiency with cleaning, maintenance, and use.
Okay, that's a fair argument.
So how about as a compromise all the instruction/training necessary to get the license is offered free-of-charge by the state.
You can go into a local office, sit in on a course on gun laws or practice cleaning and maintaining weapons. Even gun ranges to practice for the proficiency test. All free.
I'd go a step further and include concealed-carry certification. Make the license double as a CC/OC permit.
If you want to require a permit, you have to recognize that, like voting, owning a gun is a right, not a privilege. Therefore every effort should be made to make practicing that right legally as easy and affordable as possible.
>>74694014
>>74694326
Fuck compromise. We're done compromising.
>>74690853
Quality meme, I agree with it completely
>>74694326
Federal government would never ever ever cover the cost of training and arming its citizens
>>74694326
No.
We keep our guns and buy what we want, and you keep your mouth shut on the subject of limiting it.
>>74690601
Why shouldn't we be allowed to own a bazooka? It would make killing the government that much easier.
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>>74694534
Down boys, it was a fucking example. No need to lose your shit.
>>74694718
Technically, I think you can. But due to some infringing laws, you just have to jump through a few more hoops.
>>74690918
School shooters are not the kids being bullied. School shooters are the kids that should have been bullied but weren't. They're always the quite anti social girlfriendless loser that needs to be slapped into shape. Some people were just born to be betas and if no one shows them their place they will constantly struggle eternally for dominance until they start shooting.
>>74689702
Allow legal foreigners to have small firearms during their stay.
Allow citizens to have any firearms, that do not contain toxic materials, radioactive materials and infections unconditionally.
Make people legally obliged to show IDs, that prove their legal status in USA. (Give my advisers task to find the way to make such ID without disclosing the personal data when ID is shown.)
Cancel monetary welfare and alimony.
>>74694844
>Down boys, it was a fucking example.
An example involving us compromising our firearm rights.
>No need to lose your shit.
If you give the gungrabbers an inch, they will take a mile. Never, ever give any ground to the gungrabbers. Their ultimate goal is disarmament. They're perfectly fine with doing that one firearm accessory, one firearm and one bullet at a time.
>>74694095
>you can't have stuff like full autos unless you apply and have more extensive checking done
There really is no extra background checks beyond a normal transfer. It mostly takes time (6-9 months), costs extra ($200 tax stamp) and a bit of a hassle to get a photo made, CLEO signature, etc...
Once the NFA employee gets your paperwork, it's just doing a quick few checks and it gets sent back, but the NFA branch is so eternally backed up because Congress specified how many examiners can check forms (12 or 14) for the entire country. They have assistants now so it's faster, but still.
http://www.nfatracker.com/TrendGraph.aspx
>>74692926
>Its childish to want to defend your life, family and liberty
>>74691433
>I just think people who own lots of guns are insecure man children
I just think people that take part in your hobby are gigantic faggots.
>>74695106
Didn't you hear? You just have to notify your CLEO, they don't have to approve you anymore.
>>74689959
This.
>>74691433
>I just think people who own lots of guns are insecure man children
And their genitals are small as well, right?
>>74693757
its a tool that men realize they might have to use one day. However you can't just pick up a gun and expect to know how to use it. You might think its just a pointy shooty boom boom stick but its not. In the even that you need to use a gun for any purpose you will fail and die.
Why don't you try shooting before you knock it.
Remove minorities
>>74689702
Pointless.
Explanation; I'm living with them, our crime rates have never been higher.
>>74695106
>There really is no extra background checks beyond a normal transfer.
Yes there is.
Also what kind of a cuck would pay ~7k for a shitty nigger-tier machine pistol or ~30k for a machine gun, register it with the federal government, and send in fingerprint cards along with photos?
You're giving money directly to the faggots who did Waco and Ruby Ridge. You're registering your gun with the federal government.
You cucks are the antithesis of what it means to be an American.
>>74695215
When I read this I remembered hearing that the CLEO signature requirement changed. Do you have to prove that you notified?
They're also getting rid of NFA trusts too?
>>74693868
God I hate you fucking pretentious liberals. I personally don't enjoy painting because I suck dick at it, but I don't call people who paint "small minded." This fucking attitude that some liberals have towards gun culture as being retarded/for manchildren pisses me off. One of the many examples of liberal "tolerance."
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>>74695069
OP likes to start a thread and then reply to himself
>>74695569
They aren't getting rid of the trusts, they're just changing the requirements and how they work.
>>74695416
Gun control does not reduce crime, correct.
Not that our firearm rights are subject to crime statistics mind you.
It wouldn't matter if a billion little chitluns died to firearms every year. That does not invalidate our right to own whatever firearms we wish.
>>74689702
Why would you turn HUD off?
>>74695423
>doesn't mention cheaper and more effective options like SBR's and suppressors
>implying our fingerprints aren't already on file
>>74689702
Gun laws are pointless. Guns are easy enough to make if they are forbidden at retail stores.
How about some common sense laws?
A convicted felon can not posses a firearm.
Minimum penalty for crime involving a firearm is twenty five years.
To get a firearm you must be:
A citizen.
Have no criminal reord
Pass a firearms safety course
Have a review from any GP to prove that there are no mental issues.
have no restraining orders
Prove you meet all conditions by applying to the state for a licence as you would for a driving licence.
Any condition for being denied a firearms licence (not permit, a permit implies that you are the exception), can be appealed in any court with jurisdiction over the applicants home with a standard twenty thousand dollar surity. You get it back if your claim is successful.
>>74695977
>doesn't mention the fact you have to send in PHOTO ID AND FINGERPRINT CARDS TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to even own an SBR or suppressor
Go ahead and give your info and money to the people who shot Randy Weaver's wife in the head you faggot.
This is why I said earlier in the thread we'll lose our gun rights in 25 or so years. Along with the rampant immigration problem leading to democrat votes, there's cucks like you who are more than happy to take it up the ass and give the government money so you can get a tracked and registered toy to play with.
>>74696169
All of that shit can be manipulated by the government to take guns from your home.
>anyone convicted of a misdemeanor cannot possess a firearm
>pass a firearms course that is held very rarely/far away/costs a lot/etc...
>pass a mental health screening that changes each year.
>get a fucking license for no reason other than to hassle.
You need to fuck off with all of those goddamn restrictions, son. Fucking austrians, man.
>>74696409
>Go ahead and give your info and money
Unlike paying taxes, both of which go to the ATF?
If it's inevitable, why not use our soon-to-be worthless currency now, and get ready for happenings?
>>74696169
>How about some common sense laws?
There's no such thing as "common sense gun laws".
>A convicted felon can not posses a firearm.
Why not?
If they've served their time and are free from jail, they have the right to self-defense like everyone else.
If they're so criminally violent that they'd use a firearm to kill, what are they doing being released from prison?
Fix the rehabilitation system and leave our firearm rights alone.
>Have no criminal reord
So if you get a traffic ticket you now have a crime on your record?
>Pass a firearms safety course
What if I don't trust the government to tell me what is or isn't "safe"?
>Have a review from any GP to prove that there are no mental issues.
If you're so mentally ill that you'd kill someone with a firearm, what are you doing walking the streets?
Fix the mental health system and leave our firearms rights alone.
>have no restraining orders
So people with restraining orders no longer have the right to defend themselves with firearms?
>Prove you meet all conditions by applying to the state for a licence as you would for a driving licence.
You don't ask for permission to exercise constitutionally protected rights.
Driving is a privilege, not a right.
Owning a firearm is a right, not a privilege.
>>74696732
When I pay taxes I don't submit photos and fingerprint cards directly to the ATF who shot an innocent woman in the head and murdered children.
You're as bad as the gun owners on other sites
>fuck teh ATF! xD
>remember fast and furious?! wow fuck those guys amirite!?
>just took some pictures here's my 4 stamps!
Do you not see the irony in all of this? The founding fathers would've strung up these traitors, but the least a modern American man can do is not give money and personal info directly to murderers.
Lastly, in a happening the law is a moot point anyway and I'm sure everyone has a hacksaw and a maglight to make whatever kind of firearm and firearm accessory they want when the law doesn't apply.
>>74689702
>even if you increase gun legislation and control, some criminals will still use guns
>therefore gun laws are pointless
by that logic, all laws are pointless, because they still get broken
this is literally the stupidest meme ever. it is intentionally fallacious logic that guntards use to convince stupid people that gun laws are bad, when everyone (including guntards) readily admit that increased gun control would decrease gun crime.
>>74689702
How about better crime control? Seeing how over 80% of all murders are criminal on criminal...
>>74697506
A lot of murders and violent assaults were committed by people not allowed to own firearms.
How would you make it harder for criminals to get guns with hundreds of million known guns and probably a hundred million more unknown ones floating about?
>>74697506
>by that logic, all laws are pointless, because they still get broken
Gun grabbers want to strip the law abiding of their firearms because the lawbreakers use guns in crime.
Laws against murder do not stop the law abiding from exercising their rights.
Laws against firearms stop the law abiding from exercising their rights.
>>74697257
If you put everything I said above, the government already has your identification and money so your grievance is not going to go very far here.
>I'm sure everyone [will have all of the supplied that they need] to make whatever kind of firearm and firearm accessory they want when the law doesn't apply.
Sounds like you're trying to line up perfect scenarios to prove a point.
>>74697506
>everyone (including guntards) readily admit that increased gun control would decrease gun crime
[citation needed]]
>gun crime
Gun control advocates always twist words like this. Do you have evidence that increased gun control would decrease crime in general? That is, homicides and violent crime in general would go down and not just firearm-related homicide?
>>74689702
How to we remove gun control laws and feminists,wiggers , hicks
>>74697919
>If you put everything I said above, the government already has your identification and money
Are you retarded? The government has the information on what guns I own when I've never sent my fingerprints or photo ID's and money to them telling them what kind of gun I'm going to buy? Really m8?
>Sounds like you're trying to line up perfect scenarios to prove a point.
Yeah dude, I'm sure people who send $200 and all the info off to the ATF for their toy don't have a $10 hack saw.
>>74697812
do you honestly not understand how deterrence works? it is literally the fucking basis of our justice system.
if guntards think deterrence does not work as a fundamental concept, then why do they live in the US? go back to europe.
>>74697907
you don't know what a "right" is then. just because you have the "right" to do something, does not mean you can do whatever you want without restriction. we have the right to free speech, but there are still regulations on speech such as anti-libel laws, anti-slander laws, and anti-fraud laws. the SC already decided that regulations on gun ownership do not violate the 2nd amendment (and scalia voted in support). it says it right there in Heller
>“Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited.”
>>74689702
1.Fuckoff
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honestly a flawless plan.
>>74697506
>>74697907
so no, laws against firearms DO NOT infringe on your 2nd amendment rights. the fact that you incorrectly believe they do, does not change reality.
>>74698408
>"Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited…. Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on long-standing prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."
>>74698331
>deterrence
You mean like 10 years in federal prison? Are you saying you would lock these people up for life then? Our current deterrence isn't enough?
>>74696169
What about the concept of a "Right" does your faggot, Ausbrain not comprehend?
I do not desire or need "Permission" or a "License" to enjoy any my Rights.
Kill yourself.
>>74698331
>you don't know what a "right" is then.
Pretty sure I do.
>just because you have the "right" to do something, does not mean you can do whatever you want without restriction.
Then it's not a right.
>we have the right to free speech, but there are still regulations on speech such as anti-libel laws, anti-slander laws, and anti-fraud laws.
You can say those things.
When you use your rights to harm another then that's when you're punished.
The gungrabbers want to punish gun owners for expressing their rights. That is, strip us of our rights when we've harmed no one in our exercise of them.
There is a difference between abusing a right and being punished for it and not abusing a right and being punished for it.
>the SC already decided that regulations on gun ownership do not violate the 2nd amendment (and scalia voted in support). it says it right there in Heller
My rights aren't subject to what the politicians and the court says.
Even if the gungrabbers got their way and erased the second amendment from the bill of rights I'd still have the right to own firearms.
Why?
Because the constitution and bill of rights PROTECT my rights. They do not grant me rights.
Is that a muhfuggin' CM9?
>>74689959
Good start, also get rid of the NFA and force the military to sell surplus arms to the public again.
>>74689702
I'd repeal the current ones, because I'm not a gun grabbing faggot.
>>74698620
see Scalia's decision in Heller. the relevant quote is here
>>74698500
rights have limits. they always have.
>>74698570
yes, along with adding criminality to negligence in gun ownership
>>74698852
>Pretty sure I do.
your post proves you don't
>Then it's not a right.
you are objectively wrong
>My rights aren't subject to what the politicians and the court says
the constitution gives the SC the power to do just that. again, your incorrect beliefs do not change reality.
just so we are clear - you are wrong, you do not understand the US or your own rights. no matter how strongly you believe your incorrect ideas or how strong your sense of entitlement, it does not change these facts. your rights can be restricted without infringing on them. they always could.
>>74690700
I got the 4 and an extra one I tacked on.
>It's your damn weapon. Keep it in your possession or locked up as secure as possible. Don't leave it laying around for some idiot to pickup and misuse.
>>74698888
No, on the CM9 where the rear of the barrel locks up with the slide, there's a bigger cutout in the slide.
That's some bigger model.
>>74689702
I'd deport all the blacks and Mexicans.
Remove all state restrictions such as magazine capacity and outright gun banning. Nationwide shall-issue open carry.
Put in a law that states any who attempt to tamper with the 2nd amendment be it directly or through laws relating to it in a way will receive the death penalty and publicly executed without exception.
Keep background checks.
Blacks require a license to own and carry, which requires a highschool degree or equivalent.
0.2% tax on ammunition sold.
>>74699495
>the constitution gives the SC the power to do just that. again, your incorrect beliefs do not change reality.
Again, my rights are not subject to the constitution, they are protected by it.
Rights exist regardless of what the constitution says.
Just because some gungrabbers re-interpret the constitution does not invalidate my rights.
>you are objectively wrong
And you imply that I will change my beliefs because you personally disagree with them.
>your rights can be restricted without infringing on them. they always could.
Just because the gungrabbing lawmakers pass laws that violate my rights does not mean my rights can or should be violated.
If they think they can come to my door and legally take my guns and that I must roll over and allow them to do it "because the laws and the constitution say so", they'll have another thing coming.
>>74695620
Do you eat glue?
>>74700029
>Again, my rights are not subject to the constitution, they are protected by it.
>Rights exist regardless of what the constitution says.
I wish this were common knowledge
>>74689702
>>74700220
Yeah. It's extremely important to realize the constitution isn't granting the people rights, it's restricting the government's ability to infringe upon the rights the people inherently have.
By default the people have all the rights and the government has none except what the constitution allows it to have. Somewhere along the way we forgot this and now it's "the bill of rights doesn't say you can have assault rifles so you can't have them!"
>>74700716
This is exactly what those against adding a bill of rights feared. They worried that if we had a list of 10 "constitutional" rights, people would think that was all of them. The 10th was supposed to prevent this, but I'm pretty sure the Left thinks the 10th amendment is racist and we should therefore ignore it...
>>74689959
>>74690143
>>74690853
>>74690859
>>74690915
>>74691123
Wow /pol/ is /:/
I think I found my second home
>>74700716
>>74700220
rights are inherit, yes, but they also have limits, regardless of what you think. if you believe rights do not have limits, then you are wrong and you do not understand what a "right" is.
>And you imply that I will change my beliefs because you personally disagree with them.
i never gave my personal opinion. i gave the facts of the world and of your rights. i know you won't change your beliefs regardless of their validity. but know that your beliefs are wrong - your rights have limits. period.
>Just because the gungrabbing lawmakers pass laws that violate my rights does not mean my rights can or should be violated
your rights are not being violated. the only thing being violated is your sense of entitlement. you believe you are entitled to do anything you want whether you have the right to or not.
gun control does not violate your rights - it violates your sense of entitlement.
>>74689702
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
Kill yourself, commie faggot
>>74701398
Get a load of this faggot.
>>74689702
The races seem to commit violent crimes at similar rates around the world when they have some sort of functioning economy.
Every white person without a record should get one. Blacks should have extensive background tests and waiting periods.
>>74701556
Get a load of this constitution-hating, entitled little bitch
>>74701398
Get a load of this faggot
>>74689702
Repeal NFA
>>74702012
>>74701556
>shills have to use proxies to make it seem like people agree with them
fucking pathetic
No more laws and allow me to import shit plox
>>74692221
Minority correlated, not poverty correlated beyond the fact that many minorities are poor. But those actors can and have been separated.
>>74701398
>rights are inherit, yes, but they also have limits, regardless of what you think. if you believe rights do not have limits, then you are wrong and you do not understand what a "right" is.
The only time you should consider limiting someone's right is if they are violating someone else's rights. If "rights" are in conflict, then it indicates that one of the claimed rights is not legitimate. For example, your "right" to education is illegitimate because it violates someone else's right to self-ownership (the teacher you would have to force to give you your education)
Someone owning or carrying a gun or any other weapon does not infringe on the rights of any other person and therefore has no legitimate basis to be restricted. You might legitimately put restrictions on where guns can be fired, such as no spraying bullets randomly in the air in a city, but the simple act of ownership is inviolable.
>>74689702
do not change anything.
Communists can fucking kill themselves.
>>74689702
english isn't my 1st language but damn...is "shall not be infringed" that hard to understand?
why do you muricans use your enemy's vocabulary? you act like those "foreign" bad guys in movies that use english even when talking amongst themselves.
>>74689702
California is going to burn this summer, and with luck the San Andreas fault is going to push half of that forsaken territory into the bottom of the pacific.
>>74703198
They know exactly what it means. Some people just believe in the concept of a "living" document. This means you get to ignore the meaning because it's the current year. No need to get an amendment passed, just have a judge write several pages explaining how "shall not be infringed" could mean something else.
>Gun Rights taken away
Civil war when?
Is it really going to happen, /pol/?
>>74689702
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecGktbHWPOc
>>74689702
>How would you introduce better gun laws in the United States?
by delet NFA and GCA and Hughes Amemedment
>>74689702
OP I TOO LOVE KAHR PISTOLS THEY ARE LIKE AMERICAN ULTRA FREEDOM BLASTERS
I'd get rid of a lot of bullshit concerning suppressors and fully automatic firearms so that they would more readily available.
>>74689702
Gun laws are completely pointless and a result of backward thinking.
>>74689702
Frig off, OP.
>>74700924
Forget the tenth. I like the ninth amendment. It really clears things up:
>The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
I mean it's plain as day. It doesn't matter that some rights are specifically listed. The people still have all the rights by default.
>>74701398
What limits? I'm waiting for you to say that you don't have the right to yell "fire" in a crowded theater.
>>74704666
have you ever read Heller? here is what Scalia wrote in Heller
>>74698500
>"Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited…. Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on long-standing prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."
limits on your rights have always existed, and these limits have never violated your rights. whether you disagree with them or not is irrelevant.
do you understand? your feelings do not matter. at all. your rights have limits.
>>74689702
>better gun laws
>better
>>74701969
Typical liberal doublethink. War is peace, freedom is slavery, rights are entitlement.
You belong in a mental institution.
>>74704666
your freedom of speech is not violated by limits on libelous and slanderous speech, and your 2nd amendment rights are not violated by gun control laws. your refusal to believe these facts do not change them.
>>74705150
you are deliberately miscontruing what a right is to satisfy your sense of entitlement. you are an entitled little bitch.
>>74689702
Greetings from Germany!
I give you a VERY GOOD advice:
Never, ever, change the fucking gun laws.
Better gun laws = Less freedom = Do you wanna become to a country like Germany?
Be cool. Love your guns. See them as your shield against your own gov.
If the US gets invaded with refugees, you have a chance. But just look at Germany, without guns, this country will die.
>>74705250
You are certifiably insane.
I urge you to seek immediate care.
>>74692926
something inherit to american freedom and culture is childish
get out commie
>>74689702
what game?
>>74689702
MAGA holster for my 1911 that I made today with my grandpa.
Gun control means putting 8 rounds center of mass in a home intruder.
>>74705682
>learning about your country and your rights makes you "insane"
>pretending "rights" mean you can do anything you want
guntards are entitled sociopaths
>>74689702
Try for stronger universal background checks and periodic evaluations
>>74705952
>periodic evaluations
Get fucked.
>>74705944
>if I keep pretending I don't know what entitled actually means people will eventually get tired of calling me retarded
>>74706175
no, i'm not wrong about the usage of the word, no matter how much you want to pretend i am. your incorrect belief that rights are unlimited stems directly from your sense of entitlement, and has no basis in fact.
>>74689702
Pointless, the argument for gun laws will be a slippery-slope to banning the most mundane crap. Anything can be a weapon, they just want to start with guns because those are the most useful ones and best at doing harm or protecting yourself.
>>74706340
You are entitled to your awful interpretation of the law.
>>74693689
Muh nigga.
>mother fuckin elegant
>>74689702
Illegal for a man to not be armed.
>>74706620
Eloquent... phone error
>>74693689
Thank you for this picture
Here is my gift in return
>>74693868
10/10 you are by far the biggest faggot I've seen in my entire life and I cut down trees for a living.
>>74705796
>center mass
2 in the chest, the face get the rest, dingus.
Djibouti Shooty 4 Lyfe familam
>>74691433
>I'm a liberal so I'm sorta obligated to be biased against guns.
Congratulations, your identity has been co-opted by a political platform.
I'll give you credit for your tolerable views on the right to bear arms. But the next time you feel "obligated" in some manner by a word you use to describe yourself, I suggest you pause to ask why.
>>74706574
>he thinks the objective truth is "my awful interpretation"
i quoted the SC. i more than met the burden of proof that what i said is factually true.
all you guntards have said is "i feel like my rights are unlimited", which proves you all are entitled pieces of shit.
>>74707380
>Biased
>against
>Tolerable
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>>74695416
You asked them to come, stop bitching
>>74689702
i think the 7 day wait period is retarded, make it like 48 hours or some shit
>inb4 hurr durr it takes time
git gud
>>74691111
>be me
>be bullied in 4th grade
>breakdown every other day
>wasn't full retard
>didn't shoot up school
>beefed up my self confidence
>now redpilled as fuck and laughing at the peasants
>>74689702
ACT 1: Shitty Gun Control Law Repeal Act
Abolish NFA including Hughes amendment.
Abolish import restrictions that specifically target firearms.
Abolish shipping restrictions on firearms.
ACT 2: Functional Background Check Act
Overview:
Establish a background check system that is anonymous for the person running the check, is available to everyone, and stores data in a way that can be used by police in an investigation but cannot be accessed by the government to target gun owners.
Implementation:
Establish improved criminal record database that will allow background checks to be completely automated, fast, and available to all people to use. By entering a full name and the last 4 digits of an individual's SSN (a less obtrusive ID system may be better), a simple Y/N response will be generated as to whether or not someone is eligible to buy a firearm.
Store the background check result in an encrypted file whose password and identification number will be given solely to the person who ran the check. Require that all individuals keep track of who they sold a gun to, the make and model of the gun sold, and the corresponding background check id # for at least 5 years. Make it illegal for the BGC ID # to be stored by the government. The only thing stored will be specific background check events in order to ensure that the person who sold the gun actually ran the check on the person in question and got a yes result.
The only way for the government to access background check results will be on an individual basis by following a paper trail using a serial number from a firearm used in a crime. The fact that the information is encrypted should prevent the government from accessing everyone's checks to get an idea of who does and doesn't have guns.
ACT 3: Universal Concealed Carry Act
All states are required to have a shall-issue or constitutional carry permit system. All states are required to respect every other state's permits for any non-resident.
>>74707400
Yes yes, you were stroking your Scalia-shaped hard-on in the "HILLARY BTFO" thread as well, I know.
Let me explain something to you: The sustainability of functional government is predicated on any number of lies and contradictions that the body politic and its representatives tell one another. Yes, the 2nd amendment (and the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, and 14th off the top of my head) is regularly subject to "reasonable" proscription, which would seem to delineate limitations to constitutional jurisprudence. However, these limitations only hold insofar as the public tolerates them. Cases in point, Roe v. Wade and Obergefell v. Hodges, which destroyed what had hitherto been considered reasonable limitations on the 14th amendment. In other words, the public demanded constitutional protections closer to the pure, unlimited form to which they are ENTITLED by the letter of the law, and SCOTUS acquiesced.
The same is true of the 2nd amendment. It might make your butt sore that the average citizen's right to bear arms "shall not be infringed", but don't delude yourself into thinking that people don't have an iron-clad case for demanding removal of limitations on that right. If more people come around to that view (you'll be delighted to know that I don't hold out much hope for that happening), your prized limitations will evaporate.
Fuck guns, let's give everyone fucking SWORDS.
>>74708617
That's solid anon.
>>74689702
I posted this before. State police are being currently asked if they would disarm citizens. Leo's are retiring because they say they will not disarm American citizens if gun grabbers get their way.
>>74708617
God damn yes
>>74689702
Dont let blacks buy guns. Problem solved.
>>74712584
Source Alex Jones
>>74705706
I don't think I can physically cum anymore
Banning guns would do literally nothing. There are people sneaking illegal shit across our borders and into our harbors every day, and there are already a shitload of guns in the us. Even if we where an isolated island it would still be retarded.
National carry permit reciprocity and getting rid of the NFA for starters
