...for an underwater micronation of perhaps 10,000 people?
>>74671304
Libertarianism
>>74672047
I mean for it to be successful
>>74671304
Democracy!
>>74671304
Which political system makes that pod immune to depth charges?
A high surveillance dictatorship to make sure nobody fucks with the structures.
>>74671304
social democracy with open borders with Africa
>>74672165
What if retards vote for stuff that will cause everybody to die? Like unregulated childbirth until it overwhelms oxygen production capacity
>>74672091
Soft communism.
Not even joking, with numbers this low it's actually feasible. Something Fallout-style.
>>74672222
my digits confirm this. Make it happen
>>74672047
Stalinism.
>>74672194
The nuclear retaliation one. You know cities on land can be bombed from airplanes right
>>74671304
Depends on the type of people you recruit and the spirit and purpose of the place you are building.
Communism and socialism always fail though.
Anarchic capitalism
>>74672207
>>74672263
This would ensure safe operation and maintenance, but before long people would want to leave.
>>74672361
anarchism does not exist as a social order. anarchism is purely an individualist philosophy and cannot be manifested by a whole.
Constitutional monarchy with a successful, qualified family (preferably with a doctoral patriarch) as the monarch family and a small, directly-elected parliament.
>>74671304
Nat-soc/Theocratic anarcho-syndicalism.
>>74672450
run it like america
A highly militarized country controlled by puppet corporations controlled by an elite secret society.
>>74672254
Systems which can be described as resembling Communism have only worked historically when everyone knows everyone. This means populations in the hundreds, not thousands.
At 10,000, I would recommend constitutional monarchy.
city state republic with influential guilds of utility engineers, marine biologists... etc.
democratic control over strategic decisions
a single leader to represent the state and be the chief in command
central operative control in the hands of an elected magistrate
industrial/scientific branches have semi-independence and are governed by the guilds, who are responsible for every major aspect of life
>>74671304
It's too small to warrant it not being the vassal of a nearby nation which would probably be New Zealand or Australia.
>>74671304
niggerless.
>>74672664
facilitated by the economic system of capitalism.
Be sure to educate your children on how to be successful capitalists or you'll end up with socialists demanding free wages
>>74671304
When resources are very limited and a tony Crack can flood an entire building, you need a dictatorship and have to just hope it's not one of those people who feels the need to let everyone know what power they have. Like a fast food employee kicking you out for filling a waterbottle with soda
>>74672785
They can't swim anyway.
Only allow whites
whatever bernie proposes
>>74672873
Acrylic is what would be used, not glass. It's very tough and doesn't shatter. Bullets probably wouldn't penetrate any windows but explosives would do it. You'd want to make sure nobody can get ahold of what they need to build a bomb.
>>74672908
there would still be problems ya know
>>74671304
ottoman empire
The American constitution basically
>>74671304
City of London style guilds
>>74672091
Not so liberal liberalism, or a democracy with some social aspects
neptune cult
>>74672751
If it has all the infrastructure it needs to exploit seafloor oil, minerals, food and energy, and has some nuclear weapons, I don't see what prevents it from being independent.
I WANT TO GIVE BIRTH A CHILD IN SPACE AND UNDERWATER! TYEN SOMEDAY MY ORIGINS WILL BE LEGENDS!
>>74671304
Honestly, I think communism would work in a small nation, and if it was done properly.
>>74672744
This
social democracy
>>74673335
I like how you think. Prepare the sacrifices
>>74671304
>>74673014
But they'd be #WhitePeopleProblems which, according to diversity, aren't really problems.
>>74673353
Is that Italian? Where is this?
>>74671304
>Hostile environment
>High stakes for survival
>close proximity living
>limited resources
Something despotic, with clear responsibilities for both citizens and leaders. Nothing else would work.
>>74673691
It's an Italian project but it's in Dubai. The insane energy cost of growing crops indoors in the desert makes it economical to grow them in underwater bubbles instead at a depth where temperature is constantly ideal, humidity evaporating from the bottom provides free fresh water for the plants, and pests are excluded without using pesticides.
The middle east has the only conditions in the world which make this viable. google "nemo's garden"
>>74671304
Oligarchy, Constitutional Monarchy, Constitutional Dictatorship, or a Republic are the most ideal forms of government.
>>74673747
So basically like a nuclear submarine. I could see that. But would it be a tolerable place to live I wonder.
>>74673833
>dubai
Into the trash.
Well, in that situation a single person can endanger the lives of everyone.
There are so many questions here that need to be answered.
How long? Where is it? What kind of structure is it?
A indirect democracy or oligarchy would be feasible, but civil rights would need to be suspended temporarily by tyrants in case of extreme emergencies.
Communism might work, depending on the level of advancement. The station would need a ton of work to be stable with the low production levels communism causes, so perhaps leninism followed by communism.
Or you could just have collectivist despotism. There of course would be tons of civil rights violations, but in that situation everyone depends on each other so heavily it would be worth it.
>>74671304
Principality lead Technocratic Nomocracy.
Each Pod would be headed by a Prince who would own and ultimately control the pod, with duties carried out by engineers and other trained professionals, bound strictly by law and civil right. The Prince could veto the technocrats but would be limited by law as so not to abuse this extraordinary power. The Prince would be council to the other Pod Princes, democratically setting the law and agenda.
Provided the technocratic wing of the government was properly educated on the running of the pod, and the laws binding the power of the prince were effective in preventing abuse, this would suffice for a government.
If you dont have anything at stake nor know what the fuck youre doing, you dont get to have a say. Enjoy the fucking ride or leave.
Shame it isnt a space micronation, we could always drop it on Australia when we are done with it.
>>74673951
Ok grumpybutt, it's still a cool project doe
Limited democracy
>>74673989
You could have just said Machiavellian ethics.
>>74671304
Benevolent dictatorship. Or, not benevolent.
>as long as I am the dictator
>>74674058
I googled it.
Doesn't mention Dubai anywhere.
I'm pretty sure it's in Noli.
Whatever switzerland does
>>74672361
arachno-capitalism
>>74671304
whatever the inhabitants decide on.
(ect...)
The only reason individualism is valid is because humans in the state of nature are peaceful and join societies out of mutual benefit (Locke, Aristotle).
The problem here is that the individual cannot exist by himself, and government is vital to the function of society. Collectivism is the only option here.
>>74673237
That's failed well enough above water.
>>74674135
Oh, my bad. But if you watch their videos they specifically mention wealthy desert countries as their target markets for the reasons I described.
>>74671304
A collective of jellyfish and plankton.
https://youtu.be/GeHrjguBe6s
>>74674246
https://youtu.be/ccUR7nbvAEM
>>74672047
Did you read my mind?
>>74674476
Whatever, m8.
>>74672785
/thread
literally the only prerequisite for successful civilization
how does this even work? Where do they get food and goods from? They'd run out of resources real fast. An isolated population with this size would definitely be socialist economy with a constitutional monarchy I'd imagine.
>>74671304
A Utopian democracy political system. We are about 300, maybe 400, years away from that unfortunately.
>>74671304
I would be.
you'd need a system that only takes in the smartest of the bunch, and rewards them greatly for living there
>>74673984
>How long?
Indefinite
>Where is it?
Near the equator, 250 feet deep
>What kind of structure is it?
1atm, steel hull, acrylic windows, ballasted with sand from the seabed.
>Or you could just have collectivist despotism. There of course would be tons of civil rights violations, but in that situation everyone depends on each other so heavily it would be worth it.
I mainly would worry about people wanting to escape. Especially critical personnel who do stuff like keep life support working
>>74674564
It was the obvious answer. Now, would you kindly go back to build the wall
>>74674625
>Where do they get food and goods from?
The ocean. Current turbines, nuclear or OTEC supply electricity. With electricity you can make light, heat, split air out of seawater, desalinate it for drinking, etc.
Fish and seaweed farms supply food, as well as agricultural bubbles like this >>74673833 for growing land crops in.
>>74674754
So people have the option to leave? What about the option to come?
If it is an optional collective, then indirect democracy is the best option. I would say direct democracy for something under about 400 people if they were all highly skilled, but few people actually understand the complicity of having a zero-failure habitat.
Machiavellian ethics direct democracy. All civil rights may be suspended for the further empowerment of the station, and there is a specific class of people who deal only in getting elected and running the station.
>>74675096
What's funny m8
>>74672047
Did you not play the fucking game?
Doesn't work out too well.
>>74675828
It was just a fucking game.
The only acceptable answer.
>>74675828
By this logic, because of the movie "gravity" we should abandon manned spaceflight
>>74672047
>>74675828
Rapture was not truly libertarian. It was authoritarian, with a guise of libertarianism.
>>74675966
so National Socialism?
Conservatism or '' whatever works ''
>>74671304
whites only
They would have to be 150-person pods comprised of families linked together by centralized representative governnment.
HOA from Helll.
>>74671304
Warlordism. Everybody has to build a one man attack submarine before arrival. Once a year we sack a major coastal city. Piracy will deal with day to day supplies, such as beer and torpedo parts.
>>74674636
>utopian
kek
>democracy
kek
>>74671304
Nationalist Socialist
IE dictatorship with a highly free market but with a fair amount of government control/guidance for mega corperations
>>74676332
You fool, that will only lead to Sea kings gathering huge submarine raiding fleets.
>>74676670
FUCK YEAH SEAKING
>>74672266
Wouldn't it be many times easier to build defenses for an overground city than it would be to defend an underwater one?
>>74672450
Jettison the ones who want to leave out of a ducking porthole.
Problem solved.
>>74677103
Why is it relevant if anybody who attacks you gets nuked?
>>74675828
Because ken ((levine)) is a leftist cuck
WAU rule.
>>74676108
>>74671304
Theocracy. Disobey Neptune's will and be drowned by the Priesthood.
>>74672091
If they have long tradition - constitutional monarchy. If not - republic.
>>74677376
Ken Levine is a burnt out hack who wishes he were in Hollywood.
This moron possesses the subtlety of a jackhammer and his wit is somewhere between a wet sock and the reddit front page. So naturally, again and again, he attempts to write sci-fi drama. I can't say I was a fan of Bioshock's half-assed "message" or the cheap le twist. Infinite however is full on retardation. The kind of shit that makes Interstellar a storytelling masterpiece in comparison.
Gameplay is garbage.
I've seen better attempts at social commentary in youtube pranks.
Script and acting that belongs in Bollywood.
I just can't shit on this pretentious dickwad enough. He's a cumstain, a fucking human toilet -- and it wouldn't be an issue whatsoever if his video games weren't so massively popular and widely acclaimed. The fucking stormfront of the hamfisted "video games are art" bullshit.
>>74672450
The problem with Stalinism is it's just too much work. The law of diminishing returns applies to enforcement activities as well.
>>74677425
WAU did nothing wrong.
Libertarianism but only letting in people with healthy habbits who work remotely aside from a handful of maintenance/sanitation/healthcare/food prep workers. (IT professionals mostly) have robots constantly running repairs on the structure and auto-piloted subs deliver mail. Get everything Amazon'd to the nearest island, pay some company on the island to move the stuff from the micro-nation's shipping address to their dock and have the automated robots finish the delivery.
>>74671304
Undermenschantism with Ubermechantism as oppresed party.
>>74678542
>letting inferior people into your society at all under the guise of cheap labor
yes this will work
>>74676108
Nazism and Fascism actually still believe in the importance of the individual.
Communism is the philosophy that seeks to destroy even the concept of the individual.
Anarcho-syndiclism
>>74672744
Hungary anon for God Emperor
>>74672711
So an "overseer" right?
>>74673833
>and pests are excluded without using pesticides
how are the strawberries pollinated?
>>74673424
10,000 people is still to big for communism. Like some other anon said "everybody has to know everbody for communism to work"
>>74671304
Tribal meritocracy combined with a loose caste system based on bloodline.
>>74680912
>how are the strawberries pollinated?
By hand would be my guess. It's fucking Dubai. Pollination with a Q-tip is simple.
>>74672047
Fpbp
>>74672235
This kind of stuff is basically what the vaults of Fallout are for.
>>74671304
10,000 people, trapped together?
Military hierarchy. Let the Navy run it. They are the only ones qualified.
>>74671304
this already existed before in the 19th century for frontier settlements. The best solution is how a military base of 10,000 people would look like
>>74682238
>current year
>pollinating with a fucking qtip
Electric brush is where it's at bro.
>>74671304
Corporatism
>>74673833
It sounds to me like some clever Italians are scamming some stupid rich sandniggers.
There is no way that could ever scale to be a viable food source. It'll never be anything more than a glorified vegetable garden.
>>74684144
I like you.
![dibvaxwyscgafomnflmm[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Kz32QmT.jpg "dibvaxwyscgafomnflmm[1].jpg")
Why underwater?
Are you a vampire?
>>74674476
Wealthy desert countries are the target market... more like target MARK. It's a scam. You can't scale shit like that up to farm size. No way.
>>74672091
then just ad some good old Christians values as a moral compass.
just because you are free to do what ever you feel like doesn´t mean that you should.
>>74671304
Would you kindly off yourself?
>>74684397
what about waves
>>74684819
There's a protective barrier around the city. You can see a bit of it in the top left corner
>>74671304
>one guy goes nuts
>breaks glass
>bye bye nation
>>74671304
Feudalism.
A micronation of 10,000 will need to simultaneously have a driver for growth, a newly generated and enshrined national culture and a means of protecting itself.
A Capitalist micronation might be prosperous and well protected for a time, but would be so culturally vulnerable to malignant external influence it would make Sweeden look like the Third Reich.
A Communist micronation might be attractive to gullable immigrants, but will have no investment. Good luck housing people underwater with no cashflow.
A Fascist system might have worked 100 years ago, but today you would be hated by the entire world and you wouldnt have the critical mass to hold on like North Korea does.
That leaves Feudalism. New immigrants are ranked in the social strata according to their investment. If I'm moving in with enough money to build a whole habitat pod then i expect to be Lord of that pod. If I am fleeing persecution then I won't mind being a shit kicker peasant in the new underwater paradise.
>>74674898
yeah but somebodies still gotta go outside
>>74684397
>Why underwater?
Saturation diving, to improve productivity of stuff like fish farms and regular maintenance of structures, power generation turbines, etc.
>>74685814
>Glass
Do you think modern aquarium windows/tunnels are made of glass, anon?
>>74672047
but rapture wasn't a libertarian state but an anarchy
>>74686546
That's a big shark.
>>74686546
was hoping that goose would get bit
>>74687024
4u
>>74675828
it failed bcus Andrew Ryan gave up on his libertarian values it was doing fine before if u listen to the tapes u find around the city
>>74672091
Capitalism.
It'll be like Total Recall, selling the fucking retarded people air so you can pay their daughters to do BLACKED scenes.
