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http://home.hiwaay.net/~jalison/easter2.html
>Easter Island is triangular and the three volcanic peaks on Easter form an isosceles triangle with an apex angle of 108° and base angles of 36°. The ratio between the length of the base and the lengths of the sides is φ (6.8 miles x 1.618 = 11 miles).
The Younger Dryas impact hypothesis, also known as the Clovis comet hypothesis, is one of the competing scientific explanations for the onset of the Younger Dryas cold period after the last glacial period. The hypothesis, which scientists continue to debate, proposes that the climate of that time was cooled by the impact or air burst of one or more comets.[1][2][3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas_impact_hypothesis
It was Atlantis, the people were white, the younger dryas impact lit much of the western hemisphere on fire, melted the ice caps and raised the water level 400 feet.
The Atlanteans spread across the world to become the Ainu, the Egyptians, some settled in Nigeria and Niger where r1b is common, Western Europe and MesoAmerica.
There you go.
WE
>>74649256
WUZ
>>74649376
Already had that one
Reptoids.
>>74649519
Poisoning the well, fuck yourself. Not aliens, not reptoids, they were people like you and I. They had better tech, spread across the world and lesser peoples saw them as gods.
>>74648970
So is this actually an Ancient Aliens thread?
>>74649331
ATLANTO-ARYANS N SHEEIT
>>74649617
>reptoids are not real
t. jewish puppet
God knows through how many cycles we have gone through
aliens
>>74649721
You know meds are there to help you, not for harming?
Pyramids pop up independently across different civilizations due to the fact that they are the easiest large-scale structure to build. It's easy to build something big when the design is largest at the bottom and narrowest at the top. So naturally this is the sort of structure that tends to occur, because if they were to try building large-scale structures of other shapes (say, a giant standing cube or rectangle) it would be much more likely to break apart and topple down, and would require much more sophisticated knowledge of physics, engineering, and architecture to successfully complete.
>>74649708
I can't tell the trolls from the shills anymore. The shills stick out so bad that you might as well be people trolling instead of trying infiltration and subversion.
>>74649402
You were right but I was not completely off. Bow and arrow came shortly before, not after agriculture. I should have fact checked that. It also all appears to have spread from Europe to the rest of the world, which makes sense that Abos wouldnt have it.
>>74649809
when the roman empire fell, civilization regressed to a point where people saw the roman pillars and thought that it's impossible humans once build it, until almost 2 millenia later we discovered again how to build with concrete
This has happened on a larger scale probably much more often and seperated through larger cycles
Fuck off goyim, we're not hiding anything and had nothing to do with any of this.
Trust me.
>>74649618
Pretty much. I was called a shill for saying Ancient Aliens exaggerated Pumapunku
>>74649809
List of shill tactics on 4chan and reddit
1. Deny and make counter-accusations
2. poison the well
3. imply that people who disagree with you are delusional and mentally ill
From the other thread, this was the only interesting one. The architecture ones are stupid. WOW they both have DOORS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2mjs_gdMAI
>>74649970
List of jewish tactics.
1. Jewish tricks.
>>74648970
>the most versatile form of structure is the one that has survive the longest in 3 locations
>the form of a pyramid is so other worldly and incredible it couldn't possibly have been created by 3 separate people they'd have to be a bunch of geniuses
>>74649985
Apparently the Ecuadorian one isnt from Ecuador, which makes sense since I havent seen anything that well done in Mexico or Peru, much less Ecuador.
As usual, the pic cites no sources
>>74649942
That's one handsome jew, my big-nosed friend.
On an unrelated note,
>>74649927
What are your thoughts on the creationist flood theory, the antediluvians and Babel?
>>74650019
More well poisoning.
>>74650114
More jewish tricks.
>>74650063
Right, I was wondering why each picture didn't have a location, and of course sources are essential for something like this. Those pictures could all be from the same place as far as I know
>>74650155
Wow man you are not good at this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordwestblock
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Belgian_language
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oera_Linda_Book
WIJ
>>74650300
>>74649721
You guys both seem pretty well versed in this.
How do the Celts, the Basque and the Irish tie into this? They keep coming up the more I dig.
>>74650235
Why jews don't want us to know about reptoids?
>>74649927
Anon.
Anon please.
At no point did we think it was impossible humans built the "roman pillars."
We didn't lose the ability to build with concrete. We lost the incentive.
Anon you're not doing anyone good by being retarded. Read up on shit before you spout some.
>>74649970
Yes I am a shill. And I would've gotten away with it if not for you measly anons!
>>74650213
they are sumerian and babylonian depictions of annunaki
the equadorian plate is a famous hoax
>>74648970
You should be shot for posting that image, tbqh.
>>74650482
>>74650484
Both of you are. I don't know why you are under the illusion that you blend in. You don't. My main confusion comes when I try and figure out why this topic would have resources dedicated to it.
>>74650569
>Reptoids
>Illusion
>>74648970
stop promo your enki cult bullshit
>>74650637
What the fuck, gook? Making that poor little girl cry she's so hungry so you could take your faggy picture.
>>74650457
I remember from some old atlantis book I read, which mentionned the basques
basically saying that they were related to the irish and britons but don't remember much more.
>>74650636
Just so those watching become familiar with this tactic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well
Can any of you geniuses tell me what pic related is?
>>74650728
I've read accounts that these people had red hair, and the celts/basque tie directly into this apparently, they're the same people.
I wish I knew more about genetics so I could look at DNA distributions with this in mind.
>>74650741
I can play that game too.
>Jewish tricks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
>>74650457
http://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/soa/index.htm
the book i talked about
>>74650899
Thanks man, I'm going to dig into that.
>>74649985
what is the connection between atlanto aryans and bird people?
>>74651058
>>74650846
found something relevant for you
Chapter
Similarity of Language
The Basque language stands alone amongst European tongues, having affinity with none of them. According to Farrar, "there never has been any doubt that this isolated language, preserving its identity in a western corner of Europe, between two mighty kingdoms, resembles in its structure the aboriginal languages of the vast opposite continent (America) and those alone."[1]
The Phoenicians apparently were the first nation in the Eastern Hemisphere to use a phonetic alphabet, the characters being regarded as mere signs for sounds. It is a curious fact that at an equally early date we find a phonetic alphabet in Central America
[1. Families of Speech, p. 132.]
amongst the Mayans of Yucatan, whose traditions ascribe the origin of their civilization to a land across the sea to the east. Le Plongeon, the great authority on this subject, writes: "One-third of this tongue (the Maya) is pure Greek. Who brought the dialect of Homer to America? or who took to Greece that of the Mayas? Greek is the offspring of the Sanscrit. Is Maya? or are they coeval?" Still more surprising is it to find thirteen letters out of the Maya alphabet bearing most distinct relation to the Egyptian hieroglyphic signs for the same letters. It is probable that the earliest form of alphabet was hieroglyphic, "the writing of the Gods," as the Egyptians called it, and that it developed later in Atlantis into the phonetic. It would be natural to assume that the Egyptians were an early colony from Atlantis (as they actually were) and that they carried away with them the primitive type of writing which has thus left its traces on both hemispheres, while the Phoenicians, who were a sea-going people, obtained and assimilated the later form of alphabet during their trading voyages with the people of the west.
>>74650779
pic related
What about the Sumerians?
Where did they get their knowledge from?
>>74651181
The early Etruscans, the Phoenicians, including the Carthaginians and the Shumero-Akkads, were branches of this race, while the Basques of to-day have probably more of the Akkadian than of any other blood which flows in their veins.
>>74650779
I would guess someone who played with forging runes, but it's all wrong so it isn't that.
LUXEMBOURG HELLO
>>74651205
larger
It's almost like they all figured out they could stack smaller blocks on top of bigger blocks, so weird. It must be Aliens!
>>74651312
whoops apocalypse, forgot the darn image
A Geographical, Historical and Ethnological Sketch
THE GENERAL scope of the subject before us will best be realized by considering the amount of information that is obtainable about the various nations who compose our great Fifth or Aryan Race.
From the time of the Greeks and the Romans onwards volumes have been written about every people who in their turn have filled the stage of history. The political institutions, the religious beliefs, the social and domestic manners and customs have all been analyzed and catalogued, and countless works in many tongues record for our benefit the march of progress.
Further, it must be remembered that of the history of this Fifth Race we possess but a fragment--the record merely of the last family races of the Celtic sub-race, and the first family races of our own Teutonic stock.
But the hundreds of thousands of years which elapsed from the time when the earliest Aryans left their home on the shores of the central Asian Sea to the time of the Greeks and Romans, bore witness to the rise and fall of innumerable civilizations. Of the 1st sub-race of our Aryan Race who inhabited India and colonized Egypt in prehistoric times we know practically nothing, and the same may be said of the Chaldean, Babylonian, and Assyrian nations who composed the 2nd sub-race--for the fragments of knowledge obtained from the recently deciphered hieroglyphs or cuneiform inscriptions on Egyptian tombs or Babylonian tablets can scarcely be said to constitute history. The Persians who belonged to the 3rd or Iranian sub-race have, it is true, left a few more traces, but of the earlier civilizations of the Celtic or 4th sub- race we have no records at all
What is with all the shitty /x/ tier threads being spammed by lunatics recently?
>>74651452
they come from enki cult or some shit trying to force their meme "g-d"
>>74650779
its a swatsicross
Surely, it's impossible that multiple ancient civilizations realized that stacking things on top of each other is the easiest way to build higher.
I bet aliens also invented the bow and arrow.
Fuckin' retard.
>>74649822
I think this is 90% of the explanation.
It also seems likely to me that the pyramid (and any similar triangular tower structure) is a sort of natural meme in the human mind. Eventually successful civilizations may stumble across this type of structure for mostly practical, but also aesthetic reasons.
The nearly identical doors thing is sort of weird though. That's harder to explain. But it is symmetrical, and humans like to create symmetry, again partially for practical but also for aesthetic reasons.
I think this is more plausible than a world-wide culture.
>>74651452
The thread before this was more interesting, unsurprisingly, one of the guys hijacking it with his /x/ shit felt it was so important, it needed another thread
>>74650103
>What are your thoughts on the creationist flood theory, the antediluvians and Babel?
it makes a lot of sense since the flood story has been told all over the world and there are many diffrent legends about it
>>74652066
always happens
ANCIENT UFO SUBMERGED IN THE OCEAN - SUNK BY THE WHITE MAN
So, was he right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe6DN1OoxjE
>>74652230
we wuz divers an sheeit
>>74652268
tldr?
>>74652323
Just from skipping through, he seems like a fringe weirdo. Evolution denier, Sasquatch believer, etc.
>>74649174
The younger dryas period and all of these periods about climate and glaciers etc are just a bunch of fantastical pseudo-science. I don't mean the impact theory, I mean mainstream "science" and their long climate timeline which they pulled out of their ass in order to explain present day observations.
Thinking anything can happen over a long enough timeline has given them free reign to let their imaginations run wild with all sorts of junk people dogmatically accept as fact. They cannot even get history correct and have the most ridiculous chronology for ancient Egypt and they use this chronology for carbon dating for fuck's sake
>>74649060
is easter island artificial?
>>74649822
why are so many ancient temples on the same great circle that passes through the great pyramid?
http://home.hiwaay.net/~jalison/index.html
>>74649060
>implying the ancients used our same measure of distance
>>74652501
>Pope lick monster
what
>>74652230
AYY LMAO
>>74653779
yes
>>74651452
provable facts aren't /x/ tier, faggot
explain this
and explain why the three volcanoes on easter island have the ratio of phi between the long side and the short sides, coincidence?
>>74649256
They hauled ass for the Himalayas then spread out from there.
>>74650741
But anon if I was actually poisoning the well I'd play along with your little fantasies and discredit you by pretending to be a fellow schizo.
You realise you're actually delusional if you believe there's any "resources" allocated to discussing things with your delusional self?
It always amazes me how schizophrenia always goes hand in hand with these narcissistically histrionic illusions of self importance where everyone cares about what you do think or type.
>>74654276
>narcissistically histrionic illusions of self importance where everyone cares about what you do think or type.
pot, kettle
>>74654317
Either you're retarded or pretending to be because that is no way applicable to my post.
>>74654175
now the big question, is the world artificial?
>tfw the greek translation of the word apocalypse means to unveil
>>74654389
of course it is, you schitzophrenic narcossist
you complain that you think others are self-important and thinks everyone cares what they type, whilst being self-important and insisting others care about what you type
>>74654502
Revelation = Apocalypse
>>74654566
...So as I was saying that is in no way applicable to my post the point of which flew over your head.
The mere fact that the irony of your post didn't cross your mind kinda proves that there's no point in continuing with this chain.
>>74654764
apocalypse = revelation
In the future people will tell stories of the god like white people that ruled the world long ago.
>>74655161
that could very well be
>>74650779
looks a lot like the glyphs posted here >>74649985
>>74648970
>>>/x/
Fucking cancer
>>74652268
that was a waste of time
>>74655192
That's why I asked
See here
>>74651350
>>74655248
why?
>>74655317
how so? I thought it was pretty interesting
especially the part where humans have 23 chromosomes and the other apes 24, so did a male and female get this mutation at exactly the same time? randomly?
this is fun i enjoy alternative prehistory
>>74655332
maybe this
>>74650637
Why do chinese people like suffering? Is this some sort of ant hill mentality shit?
>>74655478
Why did you post these images.
You do realize what was their use?
>>74654204
Humans are really fucking good at seeing connections where there are none.
>>74649822
>It's easy to build something big when the design is largest at the bottom and narrowest at the top
If they were doing it that way because it was easy, why did they make so many aspects of it extremely difficult?
The great pyramid at Giza has stone blocks in it which weigh over 80 tons. The internal structure is complex, and very precise. The ratio of dimensions in the kings chamber represent mathematical concepts which were quite advanced for the time.
http://www.goldennumber.net/phi-pi-great-pyramid-egypt/
The finish and fitting on the walls of the chambers and passageways is superb (see pic). Are we to believe all this was done for simplicity by primitive people who only had copper chisels and didn't use the wheel?
It's interesting to note that the biblical arc of the covenant (a very mysterious object indeed) would have fitted quite nicely into the "sarcophagus" in the kings chamber.
Why did Pharaoh chase after Moses, again?
>>74656607
>why do people build stuff with the intent of outdoing themselves and creating something awe inspiring
Indeed, why would the greatest cathedrals of medieval Europe be so tall and ornamented if there was a simpler way. Obviously it was aliens.
>>74654204
There is nothing to explain. You could draw circles of any size and find significant places because humans are fucking everywhere.
Can any of you actually explain something to me.
How the fuck so many ancient civilizations had the knowledge to make a bow? I mean, you can look at it right now and say that's stupid simple to build, but how did many civilizations THOUGHT and BUILT something like using the same mechanism throughout the world without communication between them?
>>74657884
Same reason people made wheels, transfer of knowledge usually from one original source. Most people didn't invent either in their own.
>>74657884
Fuck off, those naked savages in the amazon use bows and have a variation of string instrument.
>>74650637
The eternal asian strikes again. Fucking savages, cooking up that dog, which that poor little girl probably had an attachment to. Truly nonhuman.
>>74648970
I hate these threads.
>ZOMG THESE LOOK SIMILAR!!
That'd be interesting if they were actually built around he same time
But they weren't
The Egyptian ones are closer to 5000 years old while the Mexican ones are only about 700 years old at best
With the Indonesian ones clocking in at around 1100 years
>>74658340
>nonhuman
You're kidding right? How you consume is nonhuman, that image is the epitome of humanity, you fat burger eating faggot.
>>74658633
Also they are misleading pieces of garbage.
>>74657653
Don't be a fucking retard. I was just pointing out that they didn't build a pyramid because it was all they could manage. They built a pyramid because they specifically wanted a fucking pyramid!
>>74656607
>Why did Pharaoh chase after Moses, again?
Because he killed a slave driver and Pharaoh wanted him dead.
Then that Pharaoh died.
Afterwards he returned to free the Israelites under God's guidance and command and he rekt Egypt with the plagues and then left with his people.
Then the new Pharaoh being as butthurt as he was by that divine plague smiting he chased after Moses and then got rekt first by a pillar of fire and then by drowning and crushed by the waters of the Red Sea.
God spared his life though. For some reason.
>>74652501
Mothman a cute
>>74658928
Well seeing the context of the thread it wouldn't be farfetched to assume you were implying some alium bullshittery.
>They built a pyramid because they specifically wanted a fucking pyramid!
Well they wanted the structure to last, so in a way they were kinda forced to build a pyramid. They weren't going for simplicity but the simplicity of the shape was fundamental.
>>74648970
I always hated how people used this picture as evidence to support some retarded pseudo-conspiracy view on history, like claiming they are all the same because of ancient aliens.)
A goddamn six year old playing with blocks can figure out that you need to put the biggest blocks at the base and the smallest at the top. It really isn't that astounding that many seperated cultures came to the same conclusions.
>>74657884
The first humans made bows so everyone knew how to make one when they started moving from africa to other countries
>>74658982
>Why did Pharaoh chase after Moses, again?
a). Because he stole something extremely valuable, and pharaoh wanted it back
b). Magic fantasy story involving lots of hallucinogens and a large group of gullible goat herders
you just had to go with (b), didn't you?
>>74656607
aww shit anon. i didnt know the sarcophagus fit the ark. if the pyramids were really power generators.. what would be its main fuel source? the ark is a plausible one. it would also explain the arks radioactive properties. it was a nuclear reactor of sorts. btw trolls there are ancient cities that have clearly been nuked, and the ancient indian and annunaki mythos both describe nukes. so put it all together and... it rlly mks u thnk. hail enki, hail innana, hail tayhotay.
>>74659334
Sola Scriptura senpai.
>>74659238
>they wanted the structure to last, so in a way they were kinda forced to build a pyramid
>>74659334
Also you do realize that the Ark of the Covenant was built AFTER the Exodus and the Pyramids and not before it?
>>74649674
>you will never have that jawline
Why even live
>>74659774
Yes, yes. Now try building something taller than that. See if it'll last.
Pyramid is the biggest you can go without sacrificing integrity.
And they needed BIG for impressions. I mean they were building these things for god kings afterall.
If you guys want to listen to something really fascinating check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R31SXuFeX0A
>>74659657
closer than you think, kohai
>>74660150
B A S E D
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>>74648970
Get on my level
>>74656607
>implying ancient humans were dumb or not as dexterous as we are
They had thousands of workers at their disposal and nothing but time to kill. Yes the methods were primitive compared to what we have now but that doesn't mean these people were stupid. Hell when your entire existence is devoted to building one specific section of a pyramid you're gonna get pretty gud
>>74654204
because phi is an extremely common occurrence
patterns DO repeat themselves, which is why they are called patterns
>>74660211
leonardo da vinci confirmed ayylmao reptilian jew from underground
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkaX6tyq9pI
>>74657884
For the most part, they didn't, it spread all throughout one or a few sources.
>>74659783
The ark was just a box the runaways built to contain something powerful, stupid. The powerful something was what Moses stole (he may well have been a bastard royal prince, by the way. If he was, he certainly would have been educated by the priesthood).
Read the bible and tell me the contents of that box doesn't sound like modern tech in the hands of cavemen.
>>74660104
>they were building these things for god kings afterall
>still believing it was a tomb in 2016
And yet they didn't label them. Not anywhere. Not even once.
Strange that, considering the Egyptian royalty's obsession with self-promotion.
>>74660230
There is not one mention, not one shred of evidence, about how the pyramids were built.
The only "proof" that the mainstream egyptologists have for it's ownership is
1. A stella (partially obliterated) standing in front of the pyramid, claiming it was done by Kaphre (could just be a bullshit claim...it's been done countless times by other rulers)
2. A "quarry mark", upside down and with dubious context, hidden in one of the relieving chambers, found in highly suspicious circumstances by a man who would have been financially ruined if he hadn't found it
>>74660211
That's... actually a little creepy tbqh
>>74654764
you're mom's the whore of babylon
>>74661494
I do read it and it doesn't sound like "modern tech" at all. It sounds like an ornate box made of shittim wood and covered in gold plates and inlays.
>>74661895
The CONTENTS, retard. Not the packaging.
Jeez...You are officially too stupid to argue with.
Enjoy your ignorance. And your children's. And their children's...ad infinitum.
Don't bother to reply because I won't even read it.
>>74661595
No
The Golden Ratio exists in every facet of reality and life
It's also biologically programmed into us
>>74662139
You're just spouting baseless arguments and ignore any and all refutations.
Hebrews 9:4 states that the Ark contained "the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tablets of the covenant."
As well as the Presence of God.
>>74653902
>implying that units matter when doing ratios
>>74662359
>spouting baseless arguments
>claims god-inna-box
fuck me, you're stupid
>>74663067
meant for >>74662269
>>74663067
not an argument
>>74663871
No it's not. It's a refutation.
Are you here just to be a twat? Only there's probably an app for that.
>>74649721
>God knows through how many cycles we have gone through
We would know if the Vatican didn't vacuum-up all our collective history during the 'dark' ages (the Great Forgetting). The Mayans had books - the 'explorers' stole them and sent them back to Rome ... the rest, they burned.
>Our knowledge of ancient Maya thought must represent only a tiny fraction of the whole picture, for of the thousands of books in which the full extent of their learning and ritual was recorded, only four have survived to modern times (as though all that posterity knew of ourselves were to be based upon three prayer books and Pilgrim's Progress).
—Michael D. Coe[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_codices
>>74658633
Some Mexican pyrimads (Teotihuacan) are 1800 years old, although you are right about the one in that picture.
>>74664274
"not an argument" is a shitty forced meme, just ignore anybody who's enough of a fag to think it's appropriate for a discussion.
>>74664274
My arguments are backed by a veritable source (depending on your point of view) and even if, according to an atheist's point of view, it didn't contain God's Presence, it wouldn't mean it doesn't contain the rest of the physical items.
Which, again, are nowhere near close your fantasy genius otherwordly alien artifact.
Your strawman adhominem arguments are baseless, backed by nothing but hot air and irrational thinking.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/arqueologia/cueva_tayos02.htm
>>74664463
fuck off edgy faggot. The Mayans also thought the world was ending forever back in 2012.
>>74648970
that picture is retarded. If you pile shit up, its bigger at the bottom and smaller at the top. Making buildings that look like this is a natural result of stacking shit up and not wanting it to fall over bc its the bronze age and engineering doesn't exist yet. Jesus i hate conspiracy tards
>>74660211
three is a number of doors that can be. What the fuck is your point?
>>74665566
>The Mayans also thought the world was ending forever back in 2012.
Anon don't be retarded, people bandwagoned onto a misinterpretation and continued believing it even when they were told better.
At least Y2K had a shred of truth behind it, 2012 was just manufactured hype.
>>74664856
>fantasy genius otherwordly alien artifact.
This thread is about the possibility of lost ancient civilizations having high-tech.
But you carry on being an emotional little church-monkey if it makes you feel any better
>goddamn christcucks shitting up every thread again with their "muh jeezuz wuz important" nonsense.
>>74665849
Then base your arguments and ideas upon credible sources and research not your own farfetched daydreams.
>>74650457
The basque have the highest concentration of rh negative factors in their blood. It is assumed to be either a major congregation of such people's, or where it originated.
>>74650779
Don't know. Don't put too much stock into the occult.
However, I will say that if those bent lines continue on and touch the other center lines (looks like an x, y axis) it reminds me of a rudimentary representation of folding dimensions a la Superstring theory.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p4Gotl9vRGs
>>74649060
>φ
lost it
>>74649985
Why does he wear the mask?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_2e6fsKs40
WHAT ARE THE ODDS THAT ANCIENT HUMAN CIVILIZATIONS MOVED UNDERGROUND, DEVELOPED ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY, AND FUCKED WITH AND SHEPHERDED ALL NEW HUMAN CIVILIZATIONS BY POSING AS GODS AND ALIENS?
>>74656607
>Why did Pharaoh chase after Moses, again?
There is zero archeological evidence for any part of the Moses story.
In truth, Exodus, like the Holocaust, is a jewish persecution myth. They love telling themselves stories about being the victim.
>>74648970
now you are playing with fractals
https://youtu.be/s65DSz78jW4?t=18m41s
>>74658064
>Same reason people made wheels
But that's not true. There are numerous examples of peoples who never invented the wheel.
Kikes like Jared Diamond say it is because they had no roads, but that claim does not stand up to scrutiny (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacbe see also: pic related. a use for wheels that does not require roads, or pack animals).
>>74665598
what is with people spouting the "pile stones up" meme?
>>74656607
>why did they make so many aspects of it extremely difficult?
Because the pyramid weren't built by a bunch of ignorant slaves. It was build by a large team of a very skilled and well paid engineers.
they were built from the inside out with a complex set of pulleys and ramps. People did not push the stones up, they used counterweights.
> Falling for the golden ratio meme
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/pseudo/fibonacc.htm
>>74654204
This proves the north pole used to be in canada but after so many earthquakes the earths axis has shifted
>>74666772
I don't actually have to provide credible sources, as this is just an outer mongolian facepainting board. And every theory that challenges established thought was once somebodies far-fetched daydream. However...
My argument is that the entire body of mainstream Egyptology is corrupted from the top down.
Zahi Hawas is a con artist who's more interested in his own career than discovering the truth, and will ban any investigation from the Giza site which doesn't fit his profile of "proper historical research".
There is too much vested interest to get any serious discussion from these people, and I'm sure if I quoted Robert Bauval or Graham Hankock you'd just scoff.
My argument was merely a speculation on the true nature and function of the pyramid. It's been pretty well established that "tomb" and "grain silo" are both Victorian far-fetched daydreams.
For a self confessed god-botherer to accuse me of having far-fetched fantasies that ignore credible sources is, quite frankly, hilarious.
If you aren't too dim-witted and full of yourself to consider that we might actually have the history of mankind completely wrong, and that we didn't spent the best part of a couple of hundred thousand years scratching our collective arses before deciding to do the civilization thing once (and once only), I have 2 words for you.
Gobekle Tepe.
>>74670609
Why would an earthquake cause the axis to shift?
>>74669777
>pulleys and ramps for 80 ton blocks
'kay
The Egyptians at the time did not use the wheel. This is established fact.
We have literally no records of how it was done. Stop with the bullshit.
>>74671378
They wet the sand, and used rollers.
The actual construction made use of dirt ramps. Imagine mounds of dirt piled up around the pyramids to get the blocks into place, then the dirt was removed.
However, the problem is the way the blocks fit. There's far too much precision to reproduce using ancient methods.
I tend to be from the camp that believes the pyramids are much older than 5k years. They arbitrarily tie it to 5k because that's the earliest known major civilizations.
Gobekli tempi is over 15k years old.
>>74673325
I too believe the pyramids are much older than most people think. But you're still spouting uninformed opinion as if it were fact. We have absolutely no knowledge about how they were built.
Take a look at the pic. That thing broke halfway through quarrying. But we have to assume the masons intended (and knew how) to move it had it not broken. It weighs 1,200 tons. Tell me they were going to sled it on wet sand, I dare you!
So why don't we just put a thousand engineers in a desert and tell them to move a giant stone using only ancient tools if we want to figure out how they did it?
>>74673885
all will be revealed when i get these dubs
>>74673885
Well, I look at it this way.
It happened. They built the pyramids.
It's easier to believe the wet sand theory (there are hieroglyphs depicting this) and the dirt ramp theory. Debating the plausibility of these methods it's easier than a completely unknown method or technology that is impossible to discuss until evidence has been presented.
All of the most plausible theories must be completely debunked before turning to the fantastic.
I'm not saying it definitely happened one way or another, merely saying that hoof beats usually mean horses, not zebras.
The precision to which the blocks were placed are still undeniably out of our scope.
Pic related is an example of them using wet sand. Not that it covers all unknowns, but merely an explanation for most.
>>74673885
To reiterate, I'm advocating caution when dealing with such theories.
There are indeed parts of the construction that are unexplained, but lesser informed people wind up getting caught in the conspiracy trap, and muddy the waters of actual theorists.
I say let the traditional theories explain what is most probable, and focus on the parts that cannot be explained in such a way. Such as the precise placement of the blocks, or the fact that there were no sarcophagi found in any of the pyramids.
Logistical problems may be overcome, but the technological problems are far more mysterious. Especially when you believe the pyramids are much older.
>>74649256
>atlanta
>white
>>74650779
Obviously it's a runiform version of this.
>>74649985
Are the human faces more recent?
>>74675094
you seem to know a lot about the topic.
any good documentaries to get one started that are not "ancient aliens"-tier? i remember trying to get into this stuff a few years back, but i could only find the joe rogan kind of "scientific documentary" and gave up.
from what i've seen this is a really ugly area of knowledge: anyone that speaks against official canon seems to get shunned from scientific debates and those who want to know more and see flaws in official theories find themselves in a swamp of ufologists, scammers ("buy muh revolutionary book") and simpletons.
>>74665669
They share the exact same dimensions and style, dumbshit.
It's not a coincidence.
>>74674557
They tried this with a mini pyramid and failed (they had to resort to using modern tech the Egyptians didn't have)
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/who-built-the-pyramids.html
Read this properly, and you'll see a lot of muddy phrases like "let's gloss over that bit for the moment". It's hilarious that they think this shit will even fly.
>>74675094
I don't see wet sand. That statue is clearly not a pyramid. And "It happened...deal with it" is not a satisfactory explanation for "How?" or "Who?".
>All of the most plausible theories must be completely debunked before turning to the fantastic.
That is a very unscientific viewpoint.
>hoof beats usually mean horses, not zebras.
Occam's razor is a tool for shaving of improbabilities, not establishing facts
>>74675465
>let the traditional theories explain what is most probable, and focus on the parts that cannot be explained
No. Because if half the task cannot be explained by traditional theories, then some other explanation is needed, and the "traditional theories" will then be muddying the waters of our understanding.
>the technological problems are far more mysterious. Especially when you believe the pyramids are much older.
Only if you hold to the mainstream, one-ramp-of-progress-from-caveman-to-spaceman theory of history. We know civilizations collapse. We have records of the roman dark ages. Why is it so difficult to believe that an ancient civilization may have collapsed so utterly, and so long ago that there is now nothing left of their existence other than massive piles of stone? The fact that Gobekle Tepe is the same age as the Solon story of Atlantis, and the end of the last ice age/global flooding story-myths is telling.
One day we will have a scientific way to date precisely when stone was quarried. When that happens, a lot of early human history books are going to be thrown in the garbage.
Does this pic look like an oil lamp to you? Becaus that's what the Egyptologists say it is. Let's not even go into "hoiw the fuck did the Egyptians make that with stone tools" (it's made of chert)
>>74648970
It's almost as if the laws of physics concerning stacking shit in a pile is the same in one part of the world as in the rest.
>>74673325
>They wet the sand, and used rollers.
>The actual construction made use of dirt ramps. Imagine mounds of dirt piled up around the pyramids to get the blocks into place, then the dirt was removed.
That's all conjecture. There is no actual evidence of it.
I was building pyramids as kid from my poop, I'm architect of the world, creator of civilisation as we know it.
>>74677278
>look at me trying hard to miss the point
may as well not comment at all.
What is continental shifts
>>74676099
A lot of the problems with discussing alternative theories is that the crackpots will latch themselves on to a sound idea, and ruin it with aliens, or anunaki, and cause the scientific community to disregard the evidence.
Any documentary about the "truth" behind the pyramids is going to contain wild and crazy theories, but you have to sift through the nuggets of shit to find some actual data.
That being said, ancient aliens isn't too bad for the first 10 minutes or so. They usually stick to known and researched topics before taking a b-line to crazy town.
The problem is, I haven't really found any documentaries that accurately reflect my amount of skepticism. You're going to have to watch a bunch of garbage to pull out useable data that isn't aliens or magic.
Good luck. And don't publish any findings until you can debunk popular explanations. You'll get laughed at, and blacklisted.
>>74673325
Because when you want to drag something up a ramp, throwing fucking sand on it would totally make it easier.
Sand it not glass beads, dingus.
Some dumb bitch at Cal-Tech had the idea that the Egyptians used kites to lift the obelisks into place using ramps greased with animal fat. So she tried that: guess what happened.
The sand blew onto the animal grease and created a fucking brake and nothing moved.
Sand != easier movement.
>>74677445
Typical european shitpost.
>>74653849
the left pic in OP is not part of the great circle, macchu picchu is
we need a great circle thread
>>74677569
What do you make of Graham Hancock?
I've only read the first half of fingerprints of the gods. Seems interesting, but I think he's off base with all the "numerology" stuff.
>>74676905
Sorry, I wasn't saying it happened, deal with it. I was demonstrating that here exists the problem of the how, much like you've stated. We have the evidence, but no real answers to larger questions.
I know the picture is not representative of a pyramid, merely an example of methods used to transport large stone objects. You can clearly see pulleys, and a man standing on the statue pouring liquid in front of it.
This is just a proof of concept, that can explain (most) objects moved by them.
I am in no way saying this explains every strange phenomenon of the construction process.
I still believe that they are much older than accepted, and there are unexplainable aspects relating to the precision and placement of blocks.
We're on the same side of the discussion, I'm just allowing pictorial evidence to explain how smaller blocks were moved.
We still face the problem of 1000 ton blocks being seeming hoisted into place, of which I have no explanation. This is where theories are welcome.
>>74677569
thx anyway, will do.
i still have magical egypt lying on my harddrive, guess i'll start there.
>>74677387
See my other posts.
I'm speaking in terms of plausibility using hieroglyphic evidence.
The problem still lies in explaining the much larger (+1,000 ton) blocks, of which should be the focus of new theories.
An idea would be, the pictographs depict a much more recent method of moving blocks. The previous method was lost, and the larger stones were never moved after a certain time.
Mass migration
>>74678438
If the larger stones were quarried/moved/placed using unknown technology, it seems silly to assume they only used that technology on the larger stones.
If they had other technology available for the large stones, then surely they used it on the smaller stones as well.
If the theory can't explain ALL of the stones, then I don't think it explains ANY of the stones.
>it's a "/pol/ listened to the joe rogan experience with guest graham hancock and now pretends to know about ancient civilization and the possibility of lost technology regarding astronomy" episode
>>74678724
>(1)
If you're so smart, tell us what you know.
>>74678037
i remember seeing him in a joe rogan podcast, and that guy is definitely 100% a fraud.
he started out by pointing out valid flaws in official theories and then quickly jumped on every retarded, nonsensical phenomenon out there.
for instance, he talked about a "weird" stone formation near the coast of japan with unusually sharp edges and 90°-angles, implying they were clear signs of a pre-modern civilization.
he then went on to claim that he had seen them himself and went diving there, mentioning how there was a current in the water so strong it nearly ripped his breathing mask from his face. just a couple of sentences later he then argued that certain underwater stone formations could not have moved by accident or nature, because gigantic forces would be required for that (geez, i wonder if it could be connected to that insanely strong water current he just mentioned).
in no way did he ever mention that japan just so happens to be on top of several tectontic rifts, or that certain minerals will break off in seemingly perfect angles when a certain level of stress is exceeded and therefore kept a perfectly reasonable explanation for what just looked like random 90°-angled stones from his listeners.
he's an idiot that lures people in with sound criticism, then goes compltely haywire.
the podcast that i'm talking about here had him appear with another bearded loon.
>>74678596
You missed the last part of my post.
I explained that the pictographs detail a much later method of moving stones, which can account for MOST smaller blocks being moved.
The previous method would have been responsible for moving the larger blocks, but was forgotten, which happens when civilizations fall.
This only works if the structures are much older than we think.
I'd say adding another 10k years could account for the loss in information, but that's just speculation.
>>74656428
but the distances of the triangles made are almost precisely 1.618 x, is this incorrect? surely that's either a fact or not, not a connection that may or may not be there
>>74657850
New York, Baltimore, Washington DC, Mexico City, Stonehenge, London, Zagreb, Belgrade, Stuttgart, Munich, Sofia, Beirut, Damascus and Riyadh are all on the same great circle, but it's just a coincidence?
>>74658633
>The Egyptian ones are closer to 5000 years old while the Mexican ones are only about 700 years old at best
>With the Indonesian ones clocking in at around 1100 years
so there can be no connection?
>>74659298
but why are they all on the same great circle that passes through the pyramid of Giza?
>>74679016
This is the problem I'm talking about. They start with known values and push their subjective data as fact.
He's probably very knowledgeable, but is too invested in his own theories to have unbiased viewpoints.
That being said, most of what I suggest can be defined as such, but I don't claim to be correct. It's just what makes the most sense to me.
>>74679016
From what I gathered from what I read of his book, he likes telling stories more than he likes making logical arguments. Which given his background as a writer isn't particularly surprising.
As I said, the numerology stuff turned me off though. Too much of it depends on numbers derived from measurements which used modern units. Obviously bullshit, but I'm not sure if he recognizes the flaw in it, or if he has himself fooled.
>>74679108
When do those pictographs date to?
It seems plausible to me that the pyramids were made with lost technology, but the presence of the pyramids lead the Egyptians to attempt similar feats at a much later date with their limited primitive technology (which that pictograph might be depicting.)
>>74678148
>We still face the problem of 1000 ton blocks being seeming hoisted into place, of which I have no explanation. This is where theories are welcome.
I can actually help you with that one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK1Rzch89Dw
>>74675094
>wet sand
if they could carve stone like that they certainly could build a hard stone surface to move objects on, and that urn more likely contained a better lubricant than water.
>>74669213
objectively true.
It reinforces the belonging to a tribe and gives them incentive to sky themselves away from others in society.
>>74679558
Now we're on the same page.
The second part of your post is what I've been suggesting.
Just like we see the structures today and wonder how they did it, the same happened to the egyptians. They wanted to see if they could do it, because it exists, somebody had to have built it.
I'm willing to bet that pictograph dates less than 5k years ago. Most likely 2-3k.
I'll see what I can dig up. My specialty isn't in history at all, it's more of a hobby, so bear with me.
>>74679436
>so there can be no connection?
A pyramidal shape is really easy to conceive of, the only problem is concentrating enough labor and materials to make one.
>are all on the same great circle, but it's just a coincidence?
Yes
Create any circle about 2000 miles across and there will be several great cities built on it, I guarantee you unless you intentionally place it someone retarded like antarctica so the circle lies mostly on the ocean.
>>74660104
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zajFbLyklRY
>>74679436
>but the distances of the triangles made are almost precisely 1.618 x, is this incorrect? surely that's either a fact or not, not a connection that may or may not be there
As you rightfully allude to here:
>>74653779
Those Easter Island measurements only have significance if we are suggesting that Easter Island is artificial.
That seems patently ridiculous. That would make Easter Island a technological feat FAR more impressive than even the Pyramids. A feat greater even than landing on the Moon.
It makes much more sense to say "coincidence".
>>74679855
>I'm willing to bet that pictograph dates less than 5k years ago. Most likely 2-3k.
Probably much younger than the pyramids at least, which would be consistent with the idea that Egyptians were inspired to crudely replicate the feat.
>>74679558
Found it. Twelfth dynasty. Approximately 1900 bc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djehutihotep?wprov=sfla1
That's the tomb the pictograph was found in.
Little less than 4k years.
Is this battery a fake or not?
With stuff like the analogue computer I wouldn't put it past ancient people, and I'm sure there were attempts to harness electricity
>>74660150
yeah, this guy is interesting
definitely worth a watch
>>74660343
so easter island just happens to have 3 volcanoes with the ratio of phi encoded in the side lengths, and happens to be on the great circle with dozens of other ancient temple sites, and the distances between some of these sites are also encodings of phi?
pure coincidence right?
>>74662238
how is it programmed into us?
also, why is it encoded in the pyramid(in several different ways, along with pi), easter island and the distances between various sites on teh great circle through the great pyramid?
>>74653902
they did though
the meter is based on the diameter of the earth
>>74669777
I saw a vid recently that claimed they built a canal and used goatskins roped to the blocks to float them, and had pipes with locks and more canals round the pyramid to get them up
sort of plausible
>>74680245
Likely not a battery. I don't even know what they'd use a battery for back then.
>>74680245
I assume it is real, but honestly it doesn't impress me much.
The crude construction of it suggests to me that the people who made it were otherwise fairly low tech. Their use of electricity probably did not get much more advanced than this device.
Possibly used for electroplating. Maybe it just had spiritual significance instead. If you chained up enough you might be able to give people a nasty shock, but they obviously weren't running any sort of proper machinery off it.
>>74680244
Interestingly enough...
>The colossus' depiction itself was irremediably vandalized and destroyed in 1890, and all the existing drawings are based on a single photo taken the previous year by a certain Major Brown.
Now the water on sand theory seems more dubious than I once thought.
I stand corrected.
>>74680517
Electroplating items?
>>74665566
lol their calendar ended . that whole end the world was made up
>>74680735
This is what I found about "major brown" and his partner Wilcox.
Gotta leave for a bit, so I can search through it for more information. If anyone wants, here's what I found.
https://books.google.com/books?id=LwQiAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=major+brown+egypt&source=bl&ots=SEhvGODEIr&sig=_uheFBGZPkdd65FfdwGoKaw4H6w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjwjLPsi-zMAhWn44MKHTVNCk0Q6AEIGjAA#v=onepage&q=major%20brown%20egypt&f=false
>>74669866
says nothing about phi in the pyramids and great circle alignment, or easter island
>>74670609
potentially, but not definitely, and it's actually alaska
but why does phi crop up in the ratios of the distances between sites on the great circle? and not just once, but many times
>>74675094
caternaries are a possibility too, square blocks can be rolled on them as if they were round
>>74677114
yeah, I wonder what it was for, and how it was made
>>74677569
>That being said, ancient aliens isn't too bad for the first 10 minutes or so. They usually stick to known and researched topics before taking a b-line to crazy town.
almost as if on purpose?
>>74678012
easter island is on that great circle
>Easter Island, Nazca, Ollantaytambo, Paratoari, Tassili n'Ajjer and Giza are all aligned on a single great circle. Additional ancient sites that are located within one tenth of one degree of this great circle include Petra; Perseopolis; Khajuraho; Pyay, Sukothai and Anatom Island.
>>74678037
pretty interesting
>>74679016
>that guy is definitely 100% a fraud.
strange that the underwater pyramids near japan are also on the great circle alignment huh?
>>74681187
>caternaries are a possibility too, square blocks can be rolled on them as if they were round
I doubt earthen caternaries would be up to the task, so presumably made of stone.
So now we're just left with "How the hell did they move giant stone caternaries, and where did they all go?"
> strange that the underwater pyramids near japan are also on the great circle alignment huh?
Is there any sonar imaging of this underwater stone feature? I'd like to get an idea of what the thing actually looks like in 3d...
>>74680517
>I don't even know what they'd use a battery for back then.
How about a light bulb? If I wanted to use a pictogram to explain the dangers of electricity to simple people, a snakbite would be a good place to start.
Of course, the standard Egyptological explanation could be the right one. It's the penis of some god bursting from a lotus blossom and inseminating the world (I kid you not).
There have been large collections of these "Bagdad batteries" found, by the way. Often dozens of them in the same place.
>>74680517
>>74680706
My point is more that they must have realised how electricity worked to make this and they did nothing more with it?
Maybe I'm putting too much importance on electricity due to our society using it for everything because of silicone, but even before then we were using it for those tele-tappy things and lighting really early on
>>74679558
>Too much of it depends on numbers derived from measurements which used modern units
why is it impossible that they used the same units as we do?
the meter is based on the diameter of the earth
>>74679883
>A pyramidal shape is really easy to conceive of, the only problem is concentrating enough labor and materials to make one.
but why are they on the same alignment, and some of them show the same belt of orion alignment(3 pyramids in a line with a kink the same angle, in mexico, china and giza), whilst all being on the same great circle, and featuring a similar building style of seemingly randomly sized blocks but symmetrical
>>74679883
>Create any circle about 2000 miles across and there will be several great cities built on it, I guarantee you unless you intentionally place it someone retarded like antarctica so the circle lies mostly on the ocean.
a great circle goes around the earth like an equator, you can't vary the size.
like 10 capitals, all on the same line? and also several other majot cities and monuments like stone henge
believe what you want to, I don't think that's a coincidence
>>74679909
>Those Easter Island measurements only have significance if we are suggesting that Easter Island is artificial.
>
>That seems patently ridiculous. That would make Easter Island a technological feat FAR more impressive than even the Pyramids. A feat greater even than landing on the Moon.
>
>It makes much more sense to say "coincidence".
what did sherlock homes say?
one encoding of phi might be accidental, but then you find it encoded in distances from Easter Island to other ancient sites on teh same great circle, not one or twice, but 5 or 6 different ways?!
>>74681550
wooden caternaries are claimed
no sonar afaik, I agree would be interesting to see
>>74680254
>so easter island just happens to have 3 volcanoes with the ratio of phi encoded in the side lengths
Well you haven't really proven that to be the case. The picture in >>74649060 is inaccurate. Go ahead measure it yourself on google maps.
Then may I remind you that this triangle ignores all of the other volcanoes on the island? There's like 8 major ones IN ADDITION to the 3 that this cute little triangle takes into account.
>easter island and the distances between various sites on teh great circle through the great pyramid?
Are you referring to >>74654204 ?
That image is garbage. It just ran the circle off of Easter island to an arbitrary point in Alaska. Then proceeded to name literally everything that was under it. And what we got? Just five things. How is that extraordinary?
Oh and where is the phi length "encoded" into all of this?
Try running a circle somewhat parallel to the equator in the Northern Hemisphere and I implore you to find out how hard it will be to find a spot where it wouldn't line up with ancient temples/cities.
>the meter is based on the diameter of the earth
It's not though.
>>74681686
>There have been large collections of these "Bagdad batteries" found, by the way. Often dozens of them in the same place.
What other objects where they found by?
>>74649985
Everyone relax. Those are just the Chozos from Metroid.
>>74681888
>My point is more that they must have realized how electricity worked to make this and they did nothing more with it?
I don't think that is true. This sort of bimetallic electrolytic battery could have been stumbled upon by accident, much as many electrical discoveries were. In the history of modern electrical knowledge, many phenomena were discovered first, and theory was created to explain it. Practice can predate theory.
>>74681187
>I wonder what it was for, and how it was made
Quite a lot of the myths and stories about how the pyramids were built involve the harnessing of sound/vibration to make the stones "float". Now, I know that sounds bizarre, and I don't want to go out on an "alyums" limb here, but I wonder what would happen if you spun that thing very fast. It looks like it's built to spin. Would it...vibrate at a specific frequency? Of course, you would never be allowed to do this with such an old artifact.
>>74681901
>one encoding of phi might be accidental, but then you find it encoded in distances from Easter Island to other ancient sites on teh same great circle, not one or twice, but 5 or 6 different ways?!
I am much more inclined to believe that phi was encoded in the locations of megalithic structures, than in the locations of fucking volcanos.
>>74649985
>a fucking bird humanoid species is watching us right now
Of all the cool fucking aliens it had to be a bird headed shit
>>74682277
Don't know. But you're 2 clicks away from google, you know.
>>74649985
Earth was once inhabited by bird people
>>74682339
Alternative explanation for "vibration/sound was used":
What are two things that modern heavy machinery create?
Vibration and sound. A lot of it.
Could primitive people confuse the side effect of heavy machinery for the operating mechanism of heavy machinery?
>>74651450
Literally white version of We Wuz Kangz
>>74648970
WE WUZ ATLANTIS N SHEEIT
>>74682243
>Go ahead measure it yourself on google maps.
since you've already done so, what values did you get? strange you didn't supply them for us
>There's like 8 major ones IN ADDITION to the 3 that this cute little triangle takes into account.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Island#/media/File:Easter_Island_map-en.svg
I only see one other volcano, again, you supplied no source
>That image is garbage. It just ran the circle off of Easter island to an arbitrary point in Alaska. Then proceeded to name literally everything that was under it. And what we got? Just five things. How is that extraordinary?
see http://home.hiwaay.net/~jalison/index.html
I count 23, on or very near this alignment
>Oh and where is the phi length "encoded" into all of this?
angkor - 4745miles - giza - 7677 - nazca - 12446 back to angkor
the second is 1.618 the first, and the third is 1.618 the second
this happens with other sites too
>It's not though
> The other approach was to define the metre as one ten-millionth (
1
/
10 000 000
) of the length of a quadrant along the Earth's meridian; that is, the distance from the Equator to the North Pole. This means that the quadrant (a section/distance 1⁄4 of the Earth's circumference) would have been defined as exactly 10 000 000 metres (10 000 km) at that time, with the total circumference of the Earth defined as 40 000 000 metres (40 000 km)
>>74682339
possible, maybe it's part of a pump
I'll just leave this here.
It's just past the pillars of Hercules (right where Plato said it would be) 300km west south west of Madeira.
There is a large central plain (with grid), it's mountainous to the north and west, and there is a tabletop mount to the southwest (a mountain broke off all around).
>>74649985
What is this bird character called
>>74683423
coordinates?
What's the depth there? Could it have been above sea level during any of the ice ages?
>>74649985
>>74683539
He was widely known by the alias "the Word."
>>74648970
Read about "glacial isostasy atlantis", if you haven't yet. Its by far the best theory I've heard about how atlantis could have sunk suddenly, despite plate tectonics, etc. An example of a landform that is really affected by isostatic pressure is iceland...
A lot of cultures point to the same place and idea, Solon heard about Atlantis from the Egyptians who called it atlantis, the basques call it Atlantika, and there is the Aztec, "Aztlan"..All similar stories feature a massive catastrophic flood..
Not to mention the date 9000 years before the time of Solon is the exact approximate date the "ice age" ended..
Dont listen to the idea that it was Thera and the Minoan civilization that was Atlantis(Though I believe Minoans, Pheonicians, etc all descend or at least were heavily influenced by from the atlantean culture)
>>74683977
>>74683977
>>74683900
>>74683900
>BBBIRD BIRD BIRD THE BIRD IS THE WORD
>>74683555
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@31.1678106,-23.6687574,1055743m/data=!3m1!1e3
It's very deep. A mile or two, I believe. It certainly wouldn't have been above sea level at the end of the ice age (if we are assuming a moderate sea level rise, and no other factors). The legends tell of Atlantis "sinking beneath the sea", so maybe there was a large tectonic shift or something similar which made it sink very rapidly or over an extended period of time.
The story says the sea there was choked with mud and was impassable for many years after. It also says that Atlantis was a stepping stone to other Islands and then to the "true land to the west...another continent, like ours". If you study the sea bed of the Atlantic, you can see how that's plausible. Remember, this is ancient Greece and Egypt we're talking about here. 2,000 years before Columbus!
Why is it that the best discussions on this board are about random shit like this,
but when actual politics is mentioned nobody can be bothered to debate
in an orderly fashion?
>>74649985
my theory about this is that these are this is basically the style and culture of the people who brought the knowledge from the world before the cataclysm to the people after.
>>74684235
Im sure someone has the picture of /pol/ discussing politics and /pol/ discussing conspiracies.
>>74649942
fucking kike. humanity has gone from riding horses to space satellites in a sanp in historical times.
also, IsRaHELL
>>74684235
because it's full of shills that are not part of /pol/
>>74649985
According to SITCHIN, the birds are IGIGI, while others are plain ANUNNAKI
btw the birdy thing could weel be only a mask or part of pilot space suit.
Also if you catch same images but bigger you can CLEARLY see a wristwatch
>>74650457
the druids got their knowledge and beliefs from the same culture that the irish met when they first arrive in ireland(tuatha de danann)..and the basques say they were survivors of some flood and then settled and after however much mixing thats gone on since, they are who they are now..I think whatever pushed the tuatha to come to ireland and the basques to come to spain might have been the same atlanis flood, but this is all just fantasy based on what Ive read from their overlapping stories..
>>74684235
The best threads on all boards are off topic ones. When a thread are off topic, the people attracted to it are people who have an interest in what is usually a niche topic, therefore are either knowledgeable or inquisitive about it. Well that and people calling it out for being off topic.
Will we ever know the truth?
>>74651230
ENUMA ELISH CLEARLY SAYS THAT THOSE WHO CAME FROM THE SKY DEVELOPED SUMERIA
Pyramids are in essence just an artificial form of a hill. It's easy to make a pile of stones, so of course that's the first huge building you'd make. What else would they have made? A rectangular building that high would have been insanely much more difficult to build, and required much more stone. They didn't have the skills it takes to build stable towers, they needed a wide base. That made pyramid the logical choice for a tall building.
As for why they wanted to build a huge building, various reasons, but it comes down to just wanted a baddass building. These people lived in the fucking middle of untamed nature, this was something huge and permanent to build their society around. Not all cultures decided to build huge buildings, but those that did grew into huge civilizations. Because they didn't pack up and leave at the first sign of drought or less abundant wild game, they didn't split out when it became too crowded to get the perfect farm land, because obviously if they built something huge they're not just going to leave it. A pyramid is a commitment to stay put, and that's the recipe for a civilization. Everyone else naturally spread out when they grew, these "huge building" cultures grew in one place.
Or maybe it's magic or aliens or something who knows.
>>74648970
NOSOTROS
>>74684841
>every old major civilization has a great flood story
How interesting :^)
>>74684235
Off-topic discussions are usually the best and most civil conversations.
There's an image I once saw of an olde-tyme drawing of several legislators in the midst of fisticuffs and the caption "Boards discussing their own topics," juxtaposed with an image of the Roman Senate peacefully debating amongst themselves with the caption "boards discussing topics other than their own."
If I could find the relevant pic I'm thinking of, then I would post it.
I've often wondered, how the fuck did people get to Hawaii, Easter Island, New Zealand....etc.
All these islands are waaaay off in the middle of open water, well beyond the horizon line of any shore. Hawaii in particular is thousands of miles off the coast of both North America and Asia.
Not only would they have to discover these islands, but they'd have to bring enough people such that they could reproduce and start a tribe.
I feel like seafaring technology must have been way more advanced than we're lead to believe. They didn't have compass's, astrolabes, or wind driven sails. How could they possibly navigate on open waters? Why would they cast out to sea at all?
I think ancient civilizations were more advanced than we thought
>>74684877
It was the Goa'uld.
>>74651230
I think that what they mean when they say "came from one world/place to another/fallen ones, etc" Is that the survivors of the antedelluvian world good or bad brought knowledge to the post flood world, but I have no idea..For example, the whole middle east developing right near gobekli tepe and all its sister sites..then suddenly right after gobekli tepe time period, we see sites like jericho popping up everywhere nearby..I think the people who oversaw Gobekli tepe were the same bird people/survivor culture that were talked about as the gods..just my guess.
>>74684798
>who dat who dat
>I-G-I-G-I
No, seriously, what's the name of that god? It looks like a South American inspired Muse I saw in a comic at a library once, really familiar...
>>74684235
Because /pol/ is well read generally and once you get into politics into inevitable you'll stumble across conspiracy theories
You start reading about water gate and then you some how end up reading about how the annanuki led our civilisation from the dawn of time and how the worlds leaders are reptiles, as with everything there's grain of truth and mysteries you filter out from all the filler
>>74685125
haha yeah plus a REAL LIFE global flood happened right in the backyard of our history..
>>74683994
How rapid could this effect be?
There is a theory that the end of the ice age happened swiftly because huge freshwater lakes formed in the middle of the ice fields (probably North America). This could have been started by something as simple as a dark colored meteorite sitting on the snow, or volcanic ash. Once a pool of water formed, it would have reflected less heat than the surrounding Ice and gradually grown to a massive size. When it's edge met open ocean, it would have emptied very rapidly.
I have this weird theory that Gobekle Tepe was filled in not by humans, but by mud from a huge flood event. But it's on top of a mountain, so either it was a truly mega tidal wave, or the mountain was much lower at the time.
Is this plausible, do you think?
>>74684877
If the king stands up he's taller than the counsels on the left.
>>74685198
Read about the Ra / Ra2 boats. It was basically demonstrated that one could survive a several thousand km long boat trip using a vessel made of simple materials. Sure, it would not have been a risk-free trip, but entirely possible. Give humans a few thousand years and they'll settle everywhere..
If you're interested in that stuff, read the works of Thor Heyerdah.
Abd'el Hakim Awyan claimed the stories passed down state the pyramids were built by free men using a form of accoustic levitation via piezoelectricity.
>>74685198
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polynesian_navigation
people have been traveling from continent to continent for eons.
>>74684207
they claim all these underwater lines are distortions from ships either using or disturbing sonar
I don't believe them though
why would they not want us to know about these things?
>>74684309
alyoams confirmed
>>74684841
did you look into the thunderbolt project? not saying they are right, but it certainly is odd that almost all ancient cultures have similar drawings of things we can't explain, and stories about one god going away and a new one coming, and the crust depth of mars is incredibly wierd, one side is much thinner than the other
their answer is plasma
>>74685065
>Pyramids are in essence just an artificial form of a hill. It's easy to make a pile of stones, so of course that's the first huge building you'd make. What else would they have made? A rectangular building that high would have been insanely much more difficult to build, and required much more stone. They didn't have the skills it takes to build stable towers, they needed a wide base. That made pyramid the logical choice for a tall building.
too simplitic, you are ignoring the placement of the pyramids, and the other buildings on the giza site, and also the mathematical constants encoded in teh dimensions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw9lTB0hTNU
this should be mandatory watching, it will blow your mind though, follow along with a calculator
>Or maybe it's magic or aliens or something who knows.
or our ancestors back when they had a world civilization before they got hit by a meteorite that ended the ice age and melted the 2 mile thick ice sheets on land causing the sea levels to rise by several hundred metres?
oh wait, this doesn't require magic, or aliums
>>74685198
>I think ancient civilizations were more advanced than we thought
me too
what I find strange is that new york and washington were built on the same great circle as london, stonehenge riyadh, beirut, damascus etc, yet we did not have GPS at the time(supposedly)
>>74685065
youre idea of these sites(like the pyramids) is retarded thats why it seems so simple to you.They definitely had the skills to make more complicated buildings if they wanted to..Plus, its not like humans have been making just pyramids all through our history, even when 'we' were making all these ancient megalithic sites, we werent just making hills, we also made other types of structures, gobekle tepe, puma punku...The pyramid culture was after a specific idea, it wasnt just because it was easy, look at how complex the pyramids really are..and no writing on them or ash on the interior walls from the time periods they were built(we find this in other sites, and youd think they would have needed torches)..maybe the insides were regularly cleaned or something though
>>74685685
Ok, but why would they cast off the shore in one of these boats with women in tow?
Did they have a death wish? Or strange religious reasons for doing it?
And what are the chances they just happened to drift by Hawaii (probably very small, like pitching perfectly into a catcher's glove after being spun around randomly blindfolded).
The Pacific Ocean is fucking enormous, incalculably vast. Larger than Asia.
>>74685806
Dragons. Tell me about those green/red monsters that are in many foundational lores from japan to Zuni, Hopi, Aztecs and Toltecs.
>>74685763
>chines whispers is accurate over hundreds of generations
He also claims to have played in caves and tunnels at Giza as a child. But he mysteriously can't seem to find them now.
>>74685782
There must have been regular trade going on between Asia and the Americas. Or maybe just messages being sent back and forth. One of the expeditions mistakenly strayed into Hawaii
>>74686102
I assume that they passed info from generation to generation like the days when they spotted some piece of wood ashore. Then they calculated the movement of the sea and focused on that sea region.
>>74685806
>why would they not want us to know about these things?
I honestly think most of it is just ego, they suspect they may be wrong but they don't have the answer. Most people are under the illusion our science is right about everything, I bet past societies thought the same until their technology advanced
Look at the ancient egyptians embalming process, they knew the value of the organs yet threw away the brain
>>74686102
According to Wikipedia, the current consensus is that Hawaii was first settled upon by Polynesians after 300 A.D.
I guess even back then, Polynesians settled throughout quite a lot of islands in the Pacific, and it's not that huge of a leap to Hawaii.
>>74648970
do you know what the 3 doors mean OP?
>>74685198
geez man look at their overlapping mythology its flood myth, flood myth and flood myth, over and over..They probably descend from places like sundaland and other lost landmasses and were pushed out to wherever they could go...
the culture that the easter island heads are based on a lost culture as well..
Check out Rongorongo if you havent yet..
>>74651181
>>74651261
Who are the closest related/most pure descendants of these people?
Also do you have any relevant books discussing these people and their genetic impact on modern humans?
>>74686102
The part of Hawaii that I find baffling is the pigs.
They aren't native to Hawaii obviously, and they weren't brought there by Europeans. The Polynesian natives presumably brought the pigs there.
So we have Polynesians crossing massive amounts of ocean, bringing along not only their wives, but pigs too? That's just more mouths to feed!
>>74684235
because i love making these kinds of threads here
>>74654204
What is in the middle around Alaska?
>>74658633
>That'd be interesting if they were actually built around he same time
>But they weren't
But people in mexico STILL DIDN'T HAVE CONTACT WITH EITHER GROUP YOU IDIOT
>>74648970
Pyramids are basically the easiest type of large structure for primitive peoples to build. Why is it a surprise that they exist all over the place?
I post in these threads everytime just to say that pyramid like structures are the only structures that can resist entropy
Because of this they remain for thousands of years
>>74649985
>>74648970
This is Now a Joseph Campbell Thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKkJ_xJghK0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n15q6bijycQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfKOnj0gPCw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgOUxICCHoA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM10AvJ3bsM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJwPIiUPfK4
>>74685497
Well about the gobekli tepe flodo thing, Ive thought the same thing but whats nuts is that the material used to bury the site was stuff from right in the area, not stuff pushed from somewhere else..For example, we are finding bone shards with diagrams for gobekli's construction and food/bones and crap within the hill, but not much stuff within those layers seem to indicate a flood, in fact it seems like successive layers of burying one site and building ontop of it...Who knows why or what that means though...I think they built the site when either the younger dryas even was going on or right when it ended, to help restart civilization..maybe after the initial more advanced generations went away(the successive layers get worse in sophistication not better) they thought building the site over and over would keep the comets or something away, im not sure...
Glacial rebound could happen realllyyy fast depending on how fast the ice melted, so if it was like youre saying, there would have been a slow build up and then one last sudden drop, sort of like in the younger dryas, but one feature of the yougner dryas that seems to point to a different theory is that it the temperature proxies we have dont point to a slow/gradual and then sudden warming...Within the younger dryas, we see spikes in temperature drops and other random things, indicating multiple comet strikes if you look at it that way, or at least lots of fluctuation in sea level and global temp before it all finally collapsed...
sorry if that was wordy its hard to get all this out quickly
>>74686848
>But people in mexico STILL DIDN'T HAVE CONTACT WITH EITHER GROUP
There's a wall carving in Chichen Itza that depicts what is obviously an American Indian, an African King, an "Oriental" Lord and a couple others I forget. Saw it in person, can't find images on search.
why is it so hard for people to imagine that it was a civilization before the egyptians that build the pyramids and that they were very advanced?
Humanity goes through cycles.
best example, roman empire
>>74686821
if the sacred equator(as I like to call it) was the actual equator, the north pole would be in alaska
which funnily enough, is where the magnetic north pole is
http://home.hiwaay.net/~jalison/index.html
also check out Revelations of the pyramids(original audio is best, not brian cocks)
>>74687106
>>74687099
and yet we have stone henge and various ancient walls
>>74687025
There is absolutely nothing "easy" about the great Pyramids of Giza. A civilization that build those could have build damn near any stone structure it wanted.
> Pyramids are basically the easiest type of large structure for primitive peoples to build.
You are assuming that they were built by primitive people.
>>74686705
U wot m8? The Europeans took them from South America with them on the ships to eat, some lived and escaped on the islands.
>>74686102
Hawaii is nothing. Easter island is microscopic by comparison, and is the most isolated landmass on earth. It's 2,000 miles away from the nearest anywhere.
Also, if you dig down, those "heads" have bodies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWj2keMob-c&spfreload=10
>>74686396
Tenure. When you've spent your whole life as a respected professional saying "we know this" and "we know that" and being paid handsomely for it, you can't allow anything to jar the narrative. Most Egyptology work is built on the work of earlier Egyptology, on a "lets assume it's right and see where that takes us" basis. Proving the sphinx is many thousands of years older than we thought would literally ruin the reputation of most of the professionals in the field. Especially when it's a case of "we know the person who built the sphinx built the valley temple and that person was Kaphre"
>>74687148
>>There's a wall carving in Chichen Itza that depicts what is obviously an American Indian, an African King, an "Oriental" Lord and a couple others I forget. Saw it in person, can't find images on search
I think this guy has some research into the aztec/incan tomb carvings that could only be read with a mirror, and show different pictures depending where you place the mirror/how it is rotated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqJon_ubDRg
>>74687349
Nope, the Polynesians already had pigs on Hawaii. This is accepted as mainstream history, google it.
>>74687440
>and is the most isolated landmass on earth
I thought that was tristran d'ancunha, followed by kerguelen
>>74687349
>>74687619
I should clarify, European breeds of pigs WERE introduced to Hawaii, but the polynesian breed of pig was already there.
SOMEONE MAKE A NEW THREAD
>They are first referred to in the Erra Epic by the character of Marduk who asks "Where are the Seven Sages of the Apsu, the pure puradu fish, who just as their lord Ea, have been endowed with sublime wisdom?"
>Though the order of the appearance of the sages is not precisely agreed upon, Conrad and Newing give an order of their appearance:
>The first is Uanna, "who finished the plans for heaven and earth",
>The second is Uannedugga "who was endowed with comprehensive intelligence",
>Third came Enmedugga "who was allotted a good fate",
>Next was Enmegalamma "who was born in a house",
>Fifth was Enmebulugga "who grew up on pasture land",
>The sixth is An-Enlilda "the conjurer of the city of Eridu",
>and last came Utuabzu "who ascended to heaven."
>>74687316
>A civilization that build those could have build damn near any stone structure it wanted.
Yeah, good luck building a tower of the same size with the shit they had and have it survive the test of time.
The only impressive thing about the Egyptian pyramids is the size of blocks they used, and the same can't even be said for Mesoamerican and Indonesian pyramids, which are essentially just heaps of soil coated with stone blocks.
>>74688023
You do know that the pyramids are not the only surviving megalithic structures from that long ago, right?
But they are exceptional for their precision.
>>74688023
No, the impressive thing about the pyramids was a. how they were built, b. the interior, which is ridiculously complex and pretty much impossible to pull off with what building materials we attribute to them in the time period..Weve had geniuses with us for all time since then and nobody has pulled anything like it off since..and yet not a word written on the thing..
>>74687440
>Tenure. When you've spent your whole life as a respected professional saying "we know this" and "we know that" and being paid handsomely for it, you can't allow anything to jar the narrative.
How many archeologists and scientists also have tenure at universities? Honestly I'm not sure how much of an overlap the leaders of fields have
I came here to call you all a bunch of faggots and link you to /x/ but it's actually a good bread.
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