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>Be me with my girlfriend (evolution cuck)
>We're watching NatGeo and the documentary brings up evolution
>Start laughing
>She questions
>Argument ensues
Needless to say, we've been split for a while.
Why do people believe in this hoax?
because not everyone is retarded
>>74617663
weak bait. 1/10
>>74617750
Give me some facts.
>>74617663
Because science has substituted religious faith - People need a worldview to believe in and they can't accept mystery.
>>74619145
I believe in many scientific principles but the THEORY of evolution claims we evolved from monkeys.
bs in other words
>>74617663
>Why do people believe in this hoax?
Because its true.
You don't have to believe in science--but next time you get sick go and see a poet.
>>74618870
Why attempt to educate the ape?
Back in your hole, Koko.
>>74619729
We share 98% or so of our DNA with chimpanzees. Is that a coincidence or do you not believe in DNA either?
>>74618870
so you can practice some goalpost mobility?
>>74617663
Note the word "seems". Eye evolution has been posited from patches of skin with light sensitivity to pits of skin to pits with simple transparent cover, to pits with a lens, etc etc. And an organ like our eye has evolved more than once. So, yes, theory confirmed and Darwin was mistaken in this statement.
>>74617663
Fucking kill yourself you creationist subhuman.
>>74617663
It's not PC garbage if it's probably true.
>>74617663
"Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real. How a nerve comes to be sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more than how life itself first originated; but I may remark that several facts make me suspect that any sensitive nerve may be rendered sensitive to light, and likewise to those coarser vibrations of the air which produce sound. (Darwin 1872, 143-144)"
nice way to end that quote
>>74617663
/spoiler/
People often claim usually that evolution is true BECAUSE many scientists believe in it.
Of course many scinetists beleive in it, because they are the ones who INVENTED it it the first place. No one wants to deny the fact that their own theory isn't correct.
Lots of people (including scientists) disprove evoltuion everyday, including weekends, because people with all different jobs are ALLOWED TO THINK. Even about scientific "theories"
/spoiler/
I can give four key pointers as to why it is not valid to claim for evolution being true at all times.
Starting with the first one:
Before people believed in evolution, what did they believe in? No one had even THOUGHT of a theory even slightly resembling evolution until Richard Darwin made it up in the 1800s
Also, the modern theory that is constantly foisted at all times on students in schools and in high schooles and coleges, is not even the same one that was developed back then with Darwin's.
Did the theory change? If so, why should anybody believe in it at this point, because if it could change in the past, it could just change at any time in the future and theirs no use using it at all.
>>74620462
Dont we also share like 70% of our dna with slugs
>>74620783
>>74617663
weak bate
Two questions to anyone who chooses to answer:
Do you accept that organisms can replicate themselves, either through asexual or sexual means, to create offspring?
Do you accept that this method is not perfect and is subject to variation and error?
>>74620846
Not all of us :^ )
>>74617663
remember, it's called the 'theory' of evolution for a reason.
it's a theory. it's never been proven as scientific fact.
>>74620616
Darwin wasn't mistaken, it's quote mining. In the full quote, he explains the potential path of evolution of the eye:
>To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree. When it was first said that the sun stood still and the world turned round, the common sense of mankind declared the doctrine false; but the old saying of Vox populi, vox Dei, as every philosopher knows, cannot be trusted in science. Reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a simple and imperfect eye to one complex and perfect can be shown to exist, each grade being useful to its possessor, as is certainly the case; if further, the eye ever varies and the variations be inherited, as is likewise certainly the case and if such variations should be useful to any animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, should not be considered as subversive of the theory. How a nerve comes to be sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more than how life itself originated; but I may remark that, as some of the lowest organisms, in which nerves cannot be detected, are capable of perceiving light, it does not seem impossible that certain sensitive elements in their sarcode should become aggregated and developed into nerves, endowed with this special sensibility.
So basically, tl;dr
>hHy isn't this shit crazy? It sounds crazy as hell, I can't habeeb it, but here's why you might habeeb it.
>>74620869
Ah, the arraignment of baitedness. such a petty soliliquous development in the life and times of this incrementational existance. Dissolocutionally, such an accusation is widespread amongst those denizens of such a forum as this. Such an interlocution inevitariably leads one to assert a number of logical "fallacies," the likes of which include the impossibility of one such that he is of the disposition most true to the ideology in question, simply put, thusforth such a fallacy has been known in the present day and age as a "strawman" or a "slippery slope" fallacious argumentation. one of the concerns with such an argument as "bait" is a supplemenation of one "murphies law," a statute which holds that one extreme argument may be so similar to that of a comedic appropriatation of such as to be indistinguisable from it. this concern though, as far as can be determined by an unbiased and logically unfallacious mind such as have considered the issue, is nevertheless wrought by one slight issue, which is that one can never "prove" the truth value of the stipulation of murphies law using a proof-theoretic analysis, which imbues a degree of uncertainness into the "law." one solution thusly would almost certainly be to accept the non-baitedness of such a claim, taking such a stance as the "null hypothesis" of the claimant, who should be required to prove his own stance as an impressionist of extremism before a communal forum shall take his own thoughts as bait or such as.
>>74620846
Yup. We're closest to Mice and rats, hence the animal studies.
Adaptation is a real, testable, provable phenomena. Evolution is supposed to be the overall process of adaptation, but we haven't been able to observe it.
We wont't.
>>74620783
Good ol' "Richard Darwin" and his Theory of Evolution."
Fucking retard.
>>74620846
don't you share like 100% of your DNA with leafs?
>>74620846
All animals share a large amount of DNA, purely because there is so much fucking DNA in one person. But as much DNA as 98% means that they probably evolved from the same ancestor.
>>74617663
That quote was made before anyone realized the Earth is some 4 billion years old.
>>74621062
Is that a pasta?
>>74621111
quite the contrary my good lad, what a fine day to be dissertating at such a pleasantry of a question. this discernment is quiet unfortunately inccorrect as ever before has anyone seen, for it is quiet unlikely that such a question be ramificationable in the not-so-distant forthcomings; As you are undoubtedly salient, evolution has never been ascendantly validated, and therefore is not such as would most likely be considered in the upper eschelon of scientific inquirey as "true science." Though it may be the case that in such a day and age such as this, many do accept it as thus; lamentaciously; the various evidentialities of evolutionary "science" (requiring that it be called such is a misnomer; unfortunately) are the result of might we call a CONSPIRATION of the upper classes of under-educated scientists [of the 19th centuries]. Keep in mind that an animal such as an aardvark is said to have existed AFTER the time of an animalistic creature such as a Trilobyte. However, bear in mind the word-initial letters in each case. Aardvark: "A," trilobytte ("T"). If the trilobite existed prior to the aardvark, then why does aardvark begin with a letter prior to the first letter of trilobyte? If evolution were indeed most EFFICEINT, wouldn't the names of animals begin with the first letter of hte alphabet, then working it's way through to the later letters? we do not find this patter exant among those animals who exist supercilliously today.
>>74620989
>scientific theory
>not fact beyond reasonable doubt
>BUT IT'S CALLED A THEORY BAAAAW!1!
really can't tell if troll
>>74620783
>Did the theory change? If so, why should anybody believe in it at this point, because if it could change in the past, it could just change at any time in the future and theirs no use using it at all.
Are you saying that since science changes, science should be disregarded? Jesus H. Tittyfucking Christ. The entire philosophy of science can be summed up as "prove me wrong."
Everyone likes to be an armchair scientist about evolution and claim there's some giant conspiracy to advance it, but they can never provide an alternate explanation for the diversity of life and the fact that many organisms share related structures. Well, they can provide one, actually: a wizard did it.
>>74621430
>mad as fuck atheist detected
>>74619729
>but the THEORY of evolution claims we evolved from monkeys.
hide bait threads
sage
>>74619729
>THEORY of evolution claims we evolved from monkeys.
No, it does not.
>>74617663
Mitochondria, which exist in almost all of our cells, look almost exactly like bacteria. They have a circular chromosome just like bacteria. They have cell membrane lipids that are just like bacteria. They create energy in a way that's just like bacteria. In fact, scientists have narrowed down that mitochondria must be closely related to the SAR11 clade of proteobacteria, and they theorize that these bacteria established a symbiotic relationship with the early Eukaryotic cell.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbiogenesis
Don't you find that a little strange?
>>74620989
>>74620783
gravity is a theory too. stop believing in it. go ahead. jump. god will surely catch you.
>>74621677
God dun it
>>74617663
then why glasses i have never had to buy glasses for a computer lense
Evolutionists think this is real lol
>>74621677
>this stuff that God created is a lot like other stuff that God created
>so God isn't real
Atheist "logic"
>>74621484
maybe cause that was Murica's job?
Have any of you atheists seen this?
>>74617663
You'd be surprised what can happen with billions of years of trial and error, all that is required is one just one fucking organism has a mutation which starts the development of the primitive eye to see in water, and from there it just takes off because it's such a superior advantage over the organisms which can't perceive light. Is this really not plausible enough for you to conceive?
>>74621870
>get destroyed with simple logic
>b-b-b-bait
Answer this one, then. You'd think by now we'd have "evolved" to be perfect social creatures
>>74618870
Are your parents still together? Then it's reasonable to believe that you look similar to one or both of them, but you are not completely identical. This is true for most people around the world with their parents as well.
Can dead people create children? They can't. Not without some expensive in vitro fertilization. Think back at a time before modern medicine and lack of civility. People who could not figure out how to survive died before getting children all the time because of the lack of goodwill from their peers.
If people are similar, but not identical to their parents, and dead people can not make children. Given a great length of time, why do you think it is unreasonable to think that your ancestry looked nothing like you?
>>74622004
This one is actually pretty funny
>>74622135
>implying they're not all funny
The problem is simply that creationism cant hold up to any scrutiny and evolution is the best proofed theory we have. Not to mention, if there are errors in any of the theories it will be proved with more science. Im fine with christians and their religion, but when people assume evolution isnt the most accurate model without understanding any of it is irritating.
>>74622525
>proofed
Evolution can't even explain a simple thing like this -- you'd think after hundreds of billions of years, we'd have all "evolved" immortality by now
>>74622602
i thought evolution is a slow process also gods a dick in that case because why would you make people retarded
>>74622602
Bacteria and viruses evolve too. Is it so hard to just be honest and say you dont get it or dont want to get it?
>>74622602
Nah. Evolution on needs you to have sex at least once and spawn some brood or something. After you have sex, you can die for all that evolution cares. I mean spiders and praying mantis eat each other. Evolution doesn't naturally create immortality.
You are thinking about the Singularity.
>>74622602
>>74622004
just.....if your kind happens to evolve near Chernobyl you'll probably get an eye on your ass because shiiiet radiation, if you evolve in perfect conditions you'll get bigger, faster, smarter etc. the process by which you become that guy with an eye on his butt or the superdindu is that thing called evolution. IT'S A PROCESS NOT A RESULT.
>>74622602
im just curious as to the point of retarded people if god created us.... or was he half assin it
And secondly why does evolution negate the Bible? Hell, the Pope believes in evolution. Its all this protty shit that believes earth is 6000 based on guessing how old people were in the Bible.
You don't know that god used evolution to create mankind. Hell... Adam could have been a monkey. God doesn't give a shit.
>>74622602
welp looks like the bait master leaf has blown away.... he was a masterbaiter
>>74623247
Adam is explicitly stated to be formed from dust. And note that this is the old testament, not the new one, so your metaphysical bs doesn't apply there.
>>74622865
>>74622887
>mad atheists
Guess evolution really is just a "theory"! You'd think by now that we'd have "evolved" a perfect understanding of the world and there'd be no scientific debate. How come this perfect science is always being proven wrong?
Because what's right is the Bible, and so all anti-God science is just a bunch of eggheads trying different ways to say black is white.
>>74623069
>butthurt commie still mad that his atheist godless physicists created Chernobyl, unlike the accident-free nuclear record of the God-fearing free world
>>74622807
>>74623142
The retarded are perhaps the most blessed by God, because they can easier accept His love and teachings
>>74623247
Because you lose your theodicy.
>>74623343
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/10/28/pope-francis-evolution-big-bang/18053509/
Evolution is real, anthropogenic global warming is not.
Is everyone happy now?
>>74623343
>lol the Bible says man was made from dust lmao how retarded can u get hahaha
>whoa Carl Sagan said we're all made of stardust so deep science e is amazing like and share if u agree
>>74620462
This argument is so common: literally "similarity = relation." But similar organisms would have similar DNA whether they evolved or were created.
>>74623413
When did scientific theory get proven wrong? Also, whats the evidence for God?
>>74623413
what..... that argument... wait wait your telling me mentally slow people tend to like god more...... shit man enjoy heaven
>>74623562
Did Carl Sagan also say that females are made by tearing out men's space-ribs?
>>74617750
Fpbp
The fuck USA?
Evolution is falsified because life cannot come from non-life. God is the only Uncaused Cause and the only [rational] explanation for life.
Also, consider that evolution is founded on genetic mutation, which is a biologically destructive concept. Genetic mutation rarely, if ever, gives a species something to help it be better equipped for survival. It's always albinism, an extra head, or autism or something useless.
No one can prove evolution, because it's utter horseshit. The best they can do is claim correlation=causality. Because genes and species look similar, they must be related. Idiotic and unscientific.
>>74623782
Probably at some point. You know how much weed that guy smoked?
>>74623714
>implying I haven't proven scientific "theory" wrong 7 times in this thread alone
Here's a simple one -- how come the purest document of living truth available today, written thousands of years ago but whose lessons and laws still govern the life of every single human on Earth, doesn't mention your precious "evolution" even once?
>>74623734
Enjoy burning in the very hottest circle of Hell, the one reserved for those who turn away from the love of God, misled by Pride of Intellect
>>74621566
>no, it doesn't
shut up. with supporters like you who needs enemies?
>All these brainwashed muricans and leaves
Guess I'm gunna burn in hell just like daddy told yeh :^)
>>74620634
Kill yourself.
>>74619729
>THEORY
>implying theory in science means hypothesis
2/10 b8, made me reply
>>74623924
> god loves you
> he will burn you for eternity in the hottest circle of hell if you use your brain to realize there is no evidence or any reason at all to believe he exists
Lol
>>74622602
>Evolution can't even explain a simple thing like this -- you'd think after hundreds of billions of years, we'd have all "evolved" immortality by now
have more respect for our ancestors. they haven't managed to evolve immortality but at least they died trying to.
>>74623924
>Here's a simple one -- why no evolution in bible?
ummm it was a book written by people tripin on mushrooms
>smart people go to hell
so even if im a good person but i dont hold all his truths literally ill go to hell....... well shit man fuck ur god hes a dick. tell um i said that if u meet him
>>74623924
It doesnt, im not sure how you assume that to be true. Other religions think and act differently, that should be a hint.
>>74623924
evolution IS in the bible. find the part where jacob breeds striped animals.
>>74623413
>>74623562
first things first - A FUCKING LEAF
second - pic
3th - because I live in <obvious flag> I hate communism or any other kind of collectivist shit with a passion. that includes organized religion.
see that's what communism did to me - it demonstrated what the real evil is in this world - people that want heaven upon you. not imaginary friends, not bombs, not capitalism, not communism, not religions, not murder but people that really truly believe what they are doing is for the greater good and that they know better because some book written by some fraudster or druggie says so.
there are no true believers except the ones that mean you good. and those the world would be much better off if it would dispose of. because those will produce true evil, the kind the believes itself good.
sorry for long ranty ungrammatical incoherent rabble leaf but i'm quite sleepy. going to sleep now hoping tomorrow muh communistoid lord satan von beelzebub raptures me to the eternal gardens of evolutionary science.
>>74624400
genesis 30:37-39
>>74624325
>>74624280
>well shit man fuck ur god hes a dick. tell um i said that if u meet him
You can tell Him yourself, you're going to meet Him right before he sends you to the lake of fire <3
>>74624353
>Other religions think and act differently, that should be a hint.
Obviously -- since the Bible is God's truth, and there is only one truth, it logically follows that Satan's lies (all other religions) will be varied in their nonsense.
>>74624400
>implying crossbreeding is evolution
Crossbreeding is real, just look at all the breeds of dogs. Evolution, however, isn't mentioned even once, because it's not.
>>74624433
>long butthurt commie rant
>i-im going to bed
>internet equivalent of crying and running away
didn't even read it lol
>>74623875
1. They have proved evolution in a lab using quick species. (Fruit flies)
2. Is God not all powerful enough to create the universe through evolution?
>>74624433
Reminder that communism was an atheist ideology. Protip: evolution just follows the rules of God.
>>74623562
north korea is religious as fuck. ordinary people still cling to the religions of their ancestors while the state pushes a new religion, with miracles surrounding the birth of dear leader 'n shit.
>>74623562
>not wanting to live in Best Korea
WEW
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>>74622602
"evolution" doesn't work upwards, or towards a specific goal for that matter
200 years ago it was smart people that had an edge in passing their genes, now it's dumb jocks
does that discredit evolution? no, it means that the environment changed and now good looks are more important than smarts (for whatever, or even no reason)
"evolution" is a misleading terms, the correct one is natural selection
>>74624740
>evolution did this thing gaiz
>but now it's suddenly not
>evolution made this coin land heads first
>now evolution made it land tails first!
>i fucking love science like/share if u agree!
>>74624400
top beigli hunbro
Intelligent design fallacy
Theory of evolution is based in empirical evidence, but still isn't trying to claim how life began. Any holy book provides equally reputable "evidence" for how life began, whether by omnipotent beings or not. Don't conflate theory of evolution to theory of genesis.
>>74624966
>isn't trying to claim how life began
Entropy
>>74624816
stop baiting like that you fucking freemason
>>74624609
How do you know yours is the right religion? Slavery was made okay by God in exodus. I know slavery is bad. Why didnt he speak against it?
>>74624609
explain the difference between crossbreeding and evolution...
>>74624740
>>74624460
>>74624400
>>74624280
guys hes not gonna change his mind theres no point preaching to the preachers of death
God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. Yet his shadow still looms. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives; who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves?
>>74620462
we also share 90 % dna with cats
>>74624816
Evolution is a process by which those most adapted to the environment succeed in said environment.
If the environment changes (i.e. and ice age) they those traits that were previously desirable will not necessarily be desirable any longer (for example being hairy is more useful in an ice age.)
>>74624910
>offering beigli
>this far from christmas
now that's some heresy.
The eye isnt perfect, and neither is the brain for that matter (not even talking about myopia/astigmatism or any genetic defect)
If we take perfect 20/10 vision there are still flaws in the eye/brain. Which is why optical illusions exist, blind spots, color distortions, hallucinations and everything inbetween
>>74625137
>>God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him.
>>74617663
A reminder that OP is a jidf shill trying to sow disharmony in /pol with this crap.
>>74625026
The only current plausible explanation is that the universe is on the inside of a black hole located in another universe, where it has warped space so much to provide antigravity or dark energy which is the driver for entropy.
>>74624609
some of us aren't welfare leeches. in cuckistan language - some of us can't afford to shitpost on pol 24/7
>>74624629
what did I just say about communism being bad? I said that didn't I? did I?
and just because one thing is bad doesn't mean you can just go 180 and be a-fuckin-ok. not even going to go into organized religion being just as fucking collectivist as communism. note I said organized religion. I have no problem with anyone believing in what ever sky daddy they want. just keep it to yourself and stop using my fucking taxes for it
>>74624816
you're probably a fucking retard, but i'll give it one more try to educate you nontheless
you live in an environment where there's little food because a comet fell and killed most life
those who have a slower metabolism are at an advantage because they don't starve as easily as those who have a fast metabolism
100,000 years later life has recovered and the abundance of resources makes those who have a slow metabolism get fat and less mobile so they die to wild animals and don't get to pass their fat genes
gradually people develop a faster metabolism again
meanwhile a virus emerges that kills 90% of people, those that survive and their children have a resistance to that virus but may be more susceptible to another pathogen
and so on and so forth, life adapts to the current circumstances, there is no objective measurement of what is evolutionary desirable
>>74625137
>explain the difference between crossbreeding and evolution...
Crossbreeding is real, evolution is not
You can tell by the fact that crossbreeding is in the Bible and is apparent all around us, whereas evolution is a fevered dream by suicidal atheists unwilling to accept the simple, cool truth that bubbles like a mountain spring from the Good Book
>God is dead.
Nietzsche's dead and burning in Hell. God is very much alive, I spoke with Him this morning, noon, and tonight
>>74625138
>>74620462
>God made all life on Earth
>why is all life on Earth so similar i don't understand it must be evolution!
>>74624624
They proved fruit flies can have genetic mutation (as can all animals). But the fruit fly never becomes anything other than a fruit fly. That isn't evolution.
God created our universe, and it is dictated by strict laws of physics, especially those of quantum physics. Evolution begins as life from non-life, a concept that defies the physical laws of our world, and is therefore scientifically impossible. Even God's miracles spoken of in Scripture can be proven using quantum mechanics.
>>74625137
>guys hes not gonna change his mind theres no point preaching to the preachers of death
I know. I've had my 'argue with creotards' phase in the late nineties. now I'm just throwing tidbits into the conversation to make them say things.
>>74621955
faith
>>74617663
ITT: Godless atheists cry because they can't disprove intelligent design
>>74617750
SOFT TISSUE
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>>74625372
>this mad rant by an atheist
I'll educate you:
6,000 years ago, God created the world and Man
Occam's Razor says that my explanation, backed up by a little thing called God's pure message to His Creation, is the correct one
Wow, look at that! "Evolution" can get disproved by your precious science in just one sentence!
>>74617663
In 1872, the eye was unfathomably complex. In 2016, the entire evolution has been traced from the very start.
>>74625530
>implying God didn't just invent evolution to automate things
theists can be really stupid when it suits them.
>hurr durr god couldn't do big bang, he is not all-knowing.
umm...
>>74625417
>Even God's miracles spoken of in Scripture can be proven using quantum mechanics.
I find this fascinating. So they aren't miracles at all, just weird but completely science-conforming events? and why: is this god that you speak of limited by said laws and must tinker within them?
>>74625366
Usury and wealth is about as anti-Christian you can get. Which is the cornerstone of capitalism.
>>74625372
You're describing what are called "micro-evolutions". Those exist because God's design allows them to exist, simply as a matter of mechanics. The virus which can infect better reproduces simply because, mechanically, it reproduces more so. However, the initial playing field was set by God 6,000 years ago. The very minor evolution that can be produced does not disprove that any more than the extinction of certain animals does.
>>74625485
creationism and darwinism can co-exist just fine; god allowed evolution to happen
there, that wasn't so hard was it?
>>74625530
a retard then
>>74625589
STOP CALLING IT EVOLUTION IT'S CALLED NATURAL SELECTION
you guys trigger me
>>74625530
is that you Ken Ham? I thought you were a strayan. why are you using canuck proxies?
>>74625245
>trying to sow disharmony in /pol
>trying
I'd say he's mighty successful at it.
>>74625667
Evolution requires the world to be millions of years old, but we know from the Bible that the Earth is 6,012 years old. So it's impossible.
Here is a question you.
So a "light year" is the distance light travels in a year.
We're told that some stars are 11 million "light years" away.
So my question is how are we observing this light 11 million "light years" away now?
I'm not 11 million years old, i'm 20.
See?
>>74625772
>get destroyed with literally the simplest principle of basic logic
>r-retard
Yes, I'm sure the dumb one here!
>>74625783
>Ken Ham
Has some upside-down cocksucker been stealing my ancient /new/ bait?
>>74623782
if man is made out of dust and female is taken from a part of man the female is also made from dust
>>74622049
Yes, by chance. Very long odds, with huge numbers of molecules, and enormous stretches of time. Do you have a problem with that? If so, why?
>>74625686
He isn't "limited" to them, per say, but conforms to them when acting in our world. The original definition of a miracle as it's used in Scripture actually just meant "something that caused awe or wonder." It has somehow, over time, been morphed into meaning "magic that defies human law" which isn't true.
>>74625472
Indeed: have faith in the process of evolution.
>>74625686
Think about it through the lends of the Multiverse. Quantum events like a man walking on water are possible, but damn near never occur. Literally 1 in 20 quintillion billion trillion million or whatever. However, there are an infinite number of Universes, so there are an infite number of Universes in which these quantum events occurred while a man was saying he was doing them (Jesus). They occured in such an order so as to create the belief of Christianity.
Now let's calculate the probability we occur in such a Universe: There is an infinite number of Universes in which this can occur divided by the infinite number of Universes in general. Therefore, there is infinite/infinite probability so the probability is 1. Therefore it is a certainty.
>>74625485
Not cry - more like sigh.
People like you make /pol/ look stupid. Cut vertically bby
>No such thing as evolution
I take it you aren't aware of drug resistant strains of microorganisms then.
>>74625485
ID hasnt been proved. Lol.
>>74625530
Unfortunately, your poorly proofed hypothesis gets shot down logically with no evidence for your god, and the falsities and contradictions in the bible.
This is why theists dont get taken seriously.
>>74625530
That is not proof, syrup-dude, as you well know.
>>74617663
id imagine that youre not serious, but theres bound to be one creationist on the board. evolution deniers are fringe and cringe, all at the same time. God works through evolution, it is his handwriting
Question for Creationists here:
As I understand this "evolution" you guys are trying to force on me, the idea is that the best creature reproduces with, say, 3 children. Then the best of those 3 reproduces (or reproduces the most) and this creates a positive feedback loop where the best creature survives. Great.
Ok then, so after a very long time, shouldn't we arrive at the perfect creature? There should be one, theoretical creature that survives best an environment, period. Therefore, after an infinite amount of time, we will see this arrive.
If evolution is real, where is that creature?
>>74624624
>Is God not all powerful enough to create the universe through evolution?
What if after the flood god killed so many animals he now sets evolution in motion
because he is not going to create anything anymore
>>74626068
>no evidence for your god
The entire Universe is evidence for God
You lose again!
>>74626092
>Occam's Razor demands God created the universe
>it's in the Bible, God's perfect message to humanity
>every single thing in the universe is proof of its own creation, by virtue of existing
>w-where's the proof?
>>74625406
>God is very much alive, I spoke with Him this morning, noon, and tonight
i also spoke to Nietzsche is morning, noon, and tonight clearly he is also alive too
>>74625888
We don't "know" that, we have been "told" that.
I could tell you that up is down, but that doesn't make it so.
Universe is very big, if you didn't know.
>>74626009
ah. as I said, fascinating. will you have a mighty fap when some actual creotard starts using your bullshit for real?
>>74625888
>lol i trol u
that title guys i told u he was a masterbaiter
>>74624816
checkmate
>>74626202
I hope his tormented screams were not too upsetting to you bro
However, talking with Hell is purest witchcraft, so I guess you'll be able to talk with Nietzsche face to face soon enough
>>74625764
Do you have an explanation for fossils? Plate tectonics? Any process that takes tens of thousands or millions of years?
>>74617663
because it's not a hoax
>>74626305
>atheists' faces when their endless webs of lies are once again BTFO by simple, pure truth
>and then they go to Hell
>>74625417
You just have to wait a few thousands to tens or hundreds of thousands of years. Are you in a hurry or something? Dissatisfied with the speed of God's creation of evolution?
>>74626291
frnds <3
>>74626305
Thank you for finding all the sources and shit. I was getting sick of disproving Zeitgeist myself every time some retard neckbeard brings it up.
>>74617663
Evolution happened. We KNOW this. One time frame of the Earth there were dinosaurs, another time frame there were just simple vertebrates, another time time frame there were neanderthals, this time frame there are humans. WE KNOW The biological make of the earth haas changed and Darwin's theory is simply an explanation into how that change might have occurred.
How evolution occurs is not fully understood, but Darwin's explanation does make sense. Sure with Darwin's theory of evolution it's amazing to think something as complex as a human has evolved (among every other animal)... but it did somehow happen and right now there isn't a better explanation of how evolution occurred.
Just because Darwin's theory of evolution might one day turn out to be wrong or partially wrong does not mean "checkmate, creationism is clearly the answer" it would more like be "shit we need to learn how evolution works, Darwin's was wrong.
>>74625888
It took the light 11 million goddamn years to travel to Earth. And, to touch upon the point of the age of the Earth, I pose to you a question from the play "Inherit The Wind:"
If God created the sun on the 4th day, how long were the first three days? You can't really measure them in hours, since that is an arbitrary measurement by ancient civilizations based upon the sundial and dividing the circle upon which a sundial's shadow falls into 24 equal parts. So, with that in mind, is it unreasonable to say that, by our modern measurement units, it is possible those three days prior to the sun could've lasted anywhere from a fraction of a second to an infinite amount of time, which would include, say, 4.5 billion years?
>>74625138
Precisely! So you DO understand - excellent!
A quick quiz for all these "intellectual" atheists ITT
1. Which evolved first, male or female?
2. How many millions of years elapsed between the first male and first female?
3. List at least 9 of the false assumptions made with radioactive dating methods.
4. Why hasn't any extinct creature re-evolved after millions of years?
5. Which came first:
...the eye,
...the eyelid,
...the eyebrow,
...the eye sockets,
...the eye muscles,
...the eye lashes,
...the tear ducts,
...the brain's interpretation of light?
6. How many millions of years between each in question 5?
7. If we all evolved from a common ancestor, why can't all the different species mate with one another and produce fertile offspring?
8. List any of the millions of creatures in just five stages of its evolution showing the progression of a new organ of any kind. When you have done this, you can collect the millions of dollars in rewards offered for proof of evolution!
9. Why is it that the very things that would prove Evolution (transitional forms) are still missing?
10. Explain why something as complex as human life could happen by chance, but something as simple as a coin must have a creator. (Show your math solution.)
11. Why aren't any fossils or coal or oil being formed today?
12. List 50 vestigial or useless organs or appendages in the human body.
13. Why hasn't anyone collected the millions of dollars in rewards for proof of evolution?
14. If life began hundreds of millions of years ago, why is the earth still under populated?
15. Why hasn't evolution duplicated all species on all continents?
Can't answer? I'll tell you where the real answers are -- the Bible. Why don't you read it?
Evolution is for niggers
>>74625686
>>74625929
the being you are describing would then not be god. just think what would happen if you show any piece of modern technology to those dudes living on the Andaman islands.
If evolution is real, why are there still non whites?
Checkmate athecucks
>>74626182
No, science has already proven that to be false.
>>74626333
Sure. The fact that fossils and other such events don't actually need that long to form when subjected to intense natural occurrences like flash floods (The Flood of Noah) and volcanic activity.
Evolutionists completely disregard these facts because they are inconvenient. That A) Many things can form very quickly given the right environment, and B) This world was created FULLY FORMED, meaning mountains, seas, canyons, and all sorts of things were already in place. The Earth isn't like a newborn. It can't be raised from nothing to be fully grown. It had to start as a fully functioning ecosystem to harbor life.
>>74626445
frnds <3
>>74626333
Fossils are a Jewish invention, but I don't have any evidence yet so take that with a grain of salt.
Plate tectonics do not take millions of years. The idea that there used to be a pangea is bs. Basically, they take the current trajectory of the tectonics (which does exist, ofc) and then reverse the trend well beyond the start date of Earth. Plus most of the actual mapping is bs pseudo-science. Honestly I think geologists just wanted something to publish that people would care about.
>>74626513
>It took the light 11 million goddamn years to travel to Earth.
If it takes 11 million years to travel to earth, how can i see it now? I'm only 20.
>how long were the first three days?
24 hours, just like they've always been. If the sun disappeared, would a day suddenly become a billion years? Would all our clocks suddenly stop? Of course not, don't be ridiculous.
>it is possible those three days prior to the sun could've lasted anywhere from a fraction of a second to an infinite amount of time, which would include, say, 4.5 billion years?
It would be, except the Bible clearly says the world is 6,000 years old, which is clearly the case, because that's when God created it.
>>74617663
I used to - until Lord opened my eyes out of his infinite mercy. I accepted the call and He showed me even more mercy and joy.
I am reborn and blessed out of mercy nothing more - and every movement in my new life is trough providence.
>>74626614
>No, science has already proven that to be false.
>now atheists are arguing against simple principles of logic in order to defend their fevered delusions
Proving once again, atheism is the most retarded religion in the world
>>74625406
Please put in a good word with God for me, fellow leaf bro. He has not yet appeared to me. I hope he will someday, though.
>>74626202
That's impossible because Nietzsche does not exist. Nice try, faggot.
>>74626623
If you can find a modern jawed fish in the same layer of rock as a trilobite you disprove evolution.
Go get em' buddy.
>>74626533
12. List 50 vestigial or useless organs or appendages in the human body.
Whoah what? Isn't useless organs like the apppendix or tonsils a sign that humans weren't intelligently designed? Also, we can't see radiation. That's kind of important.
14. If life began hundreds of millions of years ago, why is the earth still under populated?
The earth is way over populated. The only reason we aren't starving is because of technology and economic growth (both due to rejection of religion and qualms over usury).
Heaven was close to Earth and all of humanity saw it.
saturndeathcult.com
Thunderbolts Project, Symbols of an Alien Sky by David Talbott
>>74626553
sure doesn't look like that from here
>>74626755
>>74626677
Well, looky there
>>74626533
>>74626311
>>74625888
Every time I witness to these atheists ITT I get sequential digits
I bet they've got an explanation for how evolution "evolved" that
>>74626476
Wrong. Dinosaurs lived in the same timeline as humans. Proof is in artwork, clay, stone carvings, stories from eyewitnesses, and fossilized footprints of dinos and humans together all around the world. The only way these things were possible is if humans had seen them with their own eyes, because archeology wasn't even a practice until recent years (relatively speaking).
>>74621078
It has been observed, in micro-organisms. Now, they don't reproduce sexually but by binary fission, but they are capable of, and do, exchange genetic material via other processes.
This is one way antibiotic resistance can spread into different micro-organisms.
And if we put bugs into harsh environments like heavy-metal polluted soils, later generations of bugs may (not will, but may) develop an ability to not just survive, but extract nutrition &/or energy from the materials that previously were toxic to them. Evolution.
>>74626839
>we can't see radiation.
Holy shit, what do you think light is
>Isn't useless organs like the apppendix or tonsils a sign that humans weren't intelligently designed
Evolution suggests we'd have dozens of these things, and yet we don't
>appendix
>useless
Holy shit, pick up a book and learn about digestive flora
>The earth is way over populated.
Then how come poor people are fat?
>>74626613
The sun.
>>74626755
Im not sure how im arguing against logic here. Care to explain?
I always found it extremely convenient that as civilization advanced over time god became more ephemeral and less personal.
He used to show up in person and do magic tricks and then one day he decides to fuck off for good.
>>74626839
Just because science doesn't fully understand the usefulness of an organ, doesn't mean it's useless and some by-product of an earlier version of us. In fact, it proves the opposite, unless you can show me a monkey, ape, or some other creature that utilizes it's appendix or tonsils in a way we don't. Otherwise, you're claiming it proves evolution just because you don't know what the fuck it does, which is stupid.
>>74626920
Biological make of the earth has changed. It's that simple. Theories to evolution simply try to explain that change.
>>74620989
Um, in science, a theory that stands the tests of challenges from other theories, and continues to successfully explain observations, is as good as it gets. There are no "facts of gravity", "facts of evolution", there are theories.
>>74626133
In theory this creature should have a very long life span though as nails this should also be the oldest creature in evolution
>>74626677
I honestly don't see what you being 20 has to do with it.
Let's say a car drives from point A to point B. When the car is at point A, a baby is not born yet. When the car is halfway in between, the baby is born. When the car reaches point B, it slams into the baby. By your logic, said car did not exist prior to the birth of the baby.
But how can you be sure those days were 24 hours? Because someone wrote in a book that they were? And besides, it is simply a question that relates to the fact that the source from which the measurement system is derived is currently not created yet. It is a question designed merely to provoke thought, not one to be answered so simply.
>>74627176
>very long life span
>tough as nails
>oldest creature
>what are tortoises?
>>74627098
I'm not saying that the appendix and tonsils prove evolution one way or another. It simply disproves intelligent design as those things are usually removed because it would kill the human other wise on occasion.
Also and by radiation, I'm talking about gamma radiation. The kind that will kill you if you stand in it too long. Would be useful to be able to see that.
>>74626397
It was you posting the picture brother this is not even funny anymore
>>74623608
God would not 'need' to re-use DNA designs for similar organisms. A less-than-omnipotent creator might, but not God. And as the DNA is such a tangle of repeats, dead sections, reinforcing and suppressing sub-units, the idea that God would design it that way and cut-and-paste it all over life on Earth is ... childish, at best. Give our Creator some credit, please.
>>74627037
Occam's Razor holds that the simplest explanation for a given phenomena is the best
The convoluted, always contorting and twisting and being disproven Satanic lie of "evolution" has generated millions of pages of written lies and untold millions of hours of spoken lies, like a blind octopus sticking out a tentacle, only to recoil again and again -- "proven wrong again!"
Compare that to: "God created the world and everything in it in 4,004 BC"
Which is simpler? Also, only one of the above is backed up by the single most important document in human history, God's message to His creation, the Bible.
>>74623413
A very weak argument.
yeah dude, like, why are there monkey if we evolved from monkeys hmmm???
>>74627377
Occam's Razor can be wrong:
http://scienceblogs.com/developingintelligence/2007/05/14/why-the-simplest-theory-is-alm/
>>74627296
>those things are usually removed because it would kill the human other wise on occasion.
>if you flesh-eating bacteria in your leg and have it amputated, legs are useless
Good God. The function of the appendix is well understood -- it is a reserve of positive gut flora. You can live without it, but people who have had appendectomies are vastly more likely to suffer digestive system infections and poor digestive health. You can live without your spleen too.
>by radiation, I'm talking about gamma radiation. The kind that will kill you if you stand in it too long.
Sunlight will kill you if you stand in it too long. I guess that disproves God too!
>>74626456
I just saved it , i use to belief all that crap also when i was a atheist, now i know better its just clearly a agenda for people who dont know any better
even sam harris is doing it and he is a fucking neuro scientist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENtlW-LEqu8
>>74627529
>atheists claim to think logically
>attack logic when it inevitably points to God, the most logical answer for the existence of the Universe
I'll pray for you bro
>>74627356
yet we see all the vertebrates having a very similar design.
>a head
>a spine
>4 limbs - two arms, two legs
>tfw God's a programmer who copy-pastes code [computer science term being Inheritance].
>tfw God uses other concepts such as Polymorphism, Abstraction, Encapsulation as well
>tfw the universe is but an Object oriented software program.
>tfw we are all living in the Matrix.
>Wake up, Neo! The Matrix has you.
>>74627537
I never said that disproves god. God can use evolution is he wanted to. He is all powerful isn't he?
I'm just saying if man were to be a atomic race, it would have been useful to see gamma radiation.
>>74627296
You're saying because you don't understand something, it's not intelligent design. That's absurd rational to carry. You've also failed to do any actual research, because both the appendix and tonsils play a part in the digestive and immune system. We have more organs than we need, so if we lose a couple, we can still live, like having two kidneys. That's extremely intelligent design, if you ask me. Given more than we need so if we lose pieces, we can still function.
How about this...
You can believe that evolution doesn't exist and I will continue to believe that it does.
When the technology comes out that we can modify our genes I'll modify and you can just be yourself.
>>74627705
Why not two hearts? Seems like we should have a backup.
>>74627648
>I'm just saying if man were to be a atomic race, it would have been useful to see gamma radiation.
We can't see God either, and believe me He can be a better ally or enemy to Man than any of his creations
>>74627829
Because one is clearly sufficient, being the number that God created us with
>atheists can't figure out IKEA furniture
>want to debate the design of massively complex organisms with the infinitely intelligent All-Creator of the Universe
holy shit
>>74626683
Can you tell me why a bee sting kills the bee ?
>>74627873
Hold up there. Do you read your own book. Plenty of humans saw god:
http://www.immanuelapproach.com/2012/08/15/people-in-scripture-who-saw-god-appendix-5/
>>74627829
Two hearts would be impractical. It requires more space and energy. The entire vasculature system would have to be redesigned to adjust for the blood pressure too and if one failed, the other heart would probably be unable to do the work that's supposed to be done by two.
>>74628011
>what is power of suggestion?
>what is "we see what we want to see"?
>>74626909
kek is with you brother
>>74627648
The visible spectrum of light is the range most abundant on earth. Infrared and Ultraviolet rays are generally lost in the upper atmosphere and therefore would not be greatly useful to the eye.
>>74620846
we share like 99.8% with chimpanzees
>>74621078
more like 96%
>>74627979
Because his guts are attached to it, and they get ripped out when he stings you. DUH
>>74627377
Occams razor doesnt prove anything here, not to mention this isnt a dichotomy. Again, the bible has too many contradictions and issues to be used seriously. Impeding science because you dont get it is dishonest at best, you can argue against evolution all you want. Its all we have as humans that show us our best educated answer to what happened. Creationism has yet to be properly scrutinized by anyone other than a creationist, if that were to happen it would benefit creationists quite substantially. But theres a reason why it hasnt.
Hereditary and mutation of genes.
That's enough of an argument.
Single celled organisms work a little different on the short term though.
>>74627288
ye many animals already can get older then tortoises
checkmate
the yellyfish is immortal not though as nails
>>74628124
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics
While the genetic difference between individual humans today is minuscule – about 0.1%, on average – study of the same aspects of the chimpanzee genome indicates a difference of about 1.2%.
A difference of 3.1% distinguishes us and the African apes from the Asian great ape, the orangutan. How do the monkeys stack up? All of the great apes and humans differ from rhesus monkeys, for example, by about 7% in their DNA.
The 1.2% chimp-human distinction, for example, involves a measurement of only substitutions in the base building blocks of those genes that chimpanzees and humans share. A comparison of the entire genome, however, indicates that segments of DNA have also been deleted, duplicated over and over, or inserted from one part of the genome into another. When these differences are counted, there is an additional 4 to 5% distinction between the human and chimpanzee genomes.
>>74628037
Why not? I mean if you are all powerful and wanted to create a resilient creature, why not give him two hearts and a blood vessel system that can handle it?
I mean in less than 50 years we will be re-engineering the human body anyways.
Why are humans able to improve on a perfect design?
Alright, I'm gonna try and show why it's pointless to argue this shit using the philosophical razors.
Occam's razor is but one razor. Some others to consider in this question are as follows:
>Hitchens's razor: The burden of proof or onus in a debate lies with the claim-maker, and if he or she does not meet it, the opponent does not need to argue against the unfounded claim. "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
I have seen little evidence outside of the Bible or other old religious texts of the like used in creationist discussions. However, this also applies to evolution, as the opposition is unable to accept the credibility of the source. (Not to say it is, nor to say the Bible is not. It simply cannot be 100% proven that either source is entirely factual.)
>Newton's flaming laser sword* (or Alder's razor): If something cannot be settled by experiment or observation then it is not worthy of debate.
Neither evolution nor creation can be settled once and for all by experiment. Gravity, on the other hand, can.
>Popper's falsifiability principle: For a theory to be considered scientific, it must be falsifiable.
Neither evolution nor creation is able to be definitively proven false. Which is why both are considered theories and not laws.
And finally, if either side of this stupid and pointless fucking debate still wants to carry on, turn to Hanlon's razor: "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
*It's a recent one, so the fuck decided to give it a more exciting name.
Good night, /pol/. Some of us have work in the morning, and would rather not waste more time on pointlessness.
And Americans wonder why their education system sucks.
Can't cure stupidity.
>>74628374
Fair enough.
In my opinion God should have made us 90 foot tall fire breathing dragons so that we could go around being awesome.
>>74628467
I would have settled for being fireproof and the mother of dragons.
If God exists, then why do we still have niggers?
Checkmate.
>>74628766
</thread>
kek
>>74628374
>I mean in less than 50 years we will be re-engineering the human body anyways.
hahahah he really thinks this
>>74628374
Kiddie thinks humans can do better than God. Hasn't happened yet. Never will. You believe you can design a better body? Go for it, hotshot. Play God and tell me how that works out for you.
>>74622049
Actually yeah
>>74629110
We already fix some of our impurities medically. Science is t too far off.
>>74617663
>Christianity created the West!
>Christianity invented science!
>Still can't deal with the basics of biology
>atheists believe humans evolved from rocks that appeared from nothing
how can atheists really believe this unironically?
>>74629678
Nobody believes this.
>>74622049
She looks exactly the type I'd expect.
>>74629745
>>74626614
>>74626068
yes you do. you claim humans evolved/split from early humans who evolved/split from early primates who evolved/split from early mammals who evolved from early quadrupeds who evolved.... etc etc from the first single celled organisms who sprang out of primordial ooze that originated from rocks from wind/water erosion in early earth.
>humans evolved from rocks
earth came from planetary formation of dust, rock, ice that came from the big bang prior to which nothing existed
>atheists believe humans evolved from rocks that appeared from nothing.
>denying your own ideology because someone rephrased it
What's equally amusing is that evolutionists have to claim all our plant life has gone through the same process of genetic mutation and change over the years, giving us the diverse biome of today, which is heavily reliant on the animals to pollinate it, and vice versa. Except that....it doesn't work like that. At all. And anyone with half a brain would know this. Sigh...Goodnight. Maybe at least one of you will have read all this tonight and decide to research for yourself and stop lapping up all the lies Bill Nye feeds you.
>>74626305
I'm pretty sure Dionysus DID actually turn water into wine though (according to myth).
>>74630286
>What are wind-pollinated flowers.
>>74626909
You're playing at an Australian level of shitposting. Your country may yet overtake Shitpostland.
>>74630266
You do not understand science. We did not evolve from rocks. Nobody has said this ever. Please send me what you read indicating we came from rocks. Also, you are claiming we evolved from rocks but also state that ice and other components were also present. Maybe your agenda is leading you to ignore the facts.
>>74630614
that covers the late-Triassic on... what about the 400 million years of plant evolution that supposedly happened prior to that?
>>74630847
>implying canacucks aren't the worst shitposters
>>74627377
Which is simpler?
"God created the world and everything in it in 4,004 BC"
or:
"You're retarded."
Remember Occam's Razor now.
>>74619729
Cant tell if you're a stupid nigger or extreme bait.
>>74631009
humans evolved from the first single celled organisms... right?
so that first single celled organism came from where? what verb do you desire to be between rocks and that first single celled organism?
>humans evolved from rocks
quit denying your own beliefs bro
>>74631214
>implying you have evidence to prove god didnt create the world
>>74630600
The earliest discussions of mythological parallels between Dionysus and the figure of the Christ in Christian theology can be traced to Friedrich Hölderlin, whose identification of Dionysus with Christ is most explicit in Brod und Wein (1800–1801) and Der Einzige (1801–1803).[60]
Theories regarding such parallels were popular in the 19th century. Some modern scholars such as Martin Hengel, Barry Powell, Robert M. Price, and Peter Wick, among others, argue that Dionysian religion and Christianity have notable parallels. They point to the symbolism of wine and the importance it held in the mythology surrounding both Dionysus and Jesus Christ;[61][62] though, Wick argues that the use of wine symbolism in the Gospel of John, including the story of the Marriage at Cana at which Jesus turns water into wine, was intended to show Jesus as superior to Dionysus
>>74631097
They didn't used to be. I don't know what's wrong with them this month. It's like they're playing for some kind of award or something they desperately want.
>>74631358
>Implying Occam's Razor is wrong
>>74630286
As opposed to...? The flood wiping everything out? Where did the water come from and go to? Do you think plant life would thrive underwater? Lets stop deflecting from the pseudoscience creationism is, actual scientific theory only can go so far for where we are at in life.
>>74631214
Sure, but who created God and gave God the abilities to create a petri dish of humanity to watch?
Maybe our planet is an atom that makes up one of the organelle's of a much larger creature, the galaxies being the cells and that human or being is just an atom that makes up another human.
So on and so fourth, I'm too high for this right now.
Americans and others just read up on adaptation to environment, eyesight of humanity applies here very much so.
>>74631409
Australian shitposting is actually funposting, canadians have always shitposted in the literal sense
>>74631397
Hold on now. I'm not talking about Jesus here, just Dionysus. I'm almost POSITIVE as the god of fucking wine he's turned water into fucking wine on at least one occasion in the literature. And even if he hadn't, he's ABSOLUTELY able to.
>>74631448
"Someone created God and the abilities to create a petri dish"
or
"God's retarded"
Which one is simpler?
>>74631472
Nah man, Australians can be downright toxic. But you're right. Canadians have always been just awful. But something has driven them into a frenzy lately. Is it fucking hockey season or something?
>>74619729
No it doesn't you stupid cunt, it says we evolved from a common ancestor.
>>74631520
>"Someone created God and the abilities to create a petri dish"
This logically but then it's a never ending loop of "who created this".
It's frustrating because there has to be a beginning, this all implies an inbetween.
>>74631409
i didnt see your evidence disproving god existence. and if you want to actually apply occams razor...
>god created the world and everything in it
or
>atheists believe humans evolved from rocks that appeared from literally nothing
both can be taken as outlandish and neither has favor in occams razor.
>>74631638
Like I said, God's retarded lol
>>74631686
>god created the world and everything in it
or
>I did it all
Now which is simpler? I even exist without a doubt.
>>74623608
Then why do similar structures in different animals encode so very differently? for instance, the wings of a bat are encoded very differently from those of a bird, as is the tail of a dolphin vs that of a fish.
>>74631520
>Is it fucking hockey season or something?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4-TTtvAZBY
>>74618870
Whale femurs.
>>74631595
>humans evolved from rocks
>humans evolved from hydrogen
JUST
>>74631294
>quit denying your own beliefs
No, you are misinterpreting science. God hasnt explained any of this without showing his ability to contradict himself or give false evidence, stop being silly, "bro".
Google is your friend, and being an agnostic i have no horse in the race and am open to both sides. Unfortunately, this is a david v goliath situation of evidence. God needs to bring something to the table soon.
>>74631732
just learned about occams razor yesterday bro?
your magical theory that everything came from literally nothing sounds rather retarded. you cant respond because you realize how retarded the notion that humanity evolved from a rock is.
>>74631791
God defined a bat as a bird. Can you tell me why thats wrong
>>74631800
are you talking about 'ice' hockey?
>>74631294
Abiogenesis has never been a tenant of the theory of evolution, but expecting evolution deniers to be scientifically literate is usually an exercise in futility.
>>74631964
It came from me, shithead? What's simpler than that?
>>74631853
Because we are similar to rocks faggot
>>74632021
>similar to rocks
>pebbles for brains
agreed
>>74631294
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaerobic_respiration
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17628-found-first-amino-acid-on-a-comet/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amino_acid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein#Cellular_localization
My links are an evolution btw, do you like it? Do you like what I did?
¬_¬ Fuck you.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/science/add_edexcel/cells/synthesisrev1.shtml
Here, for pre schoolers.
>>74631885
ok, so represent it for me...
what is the verb that goes between humans and the first single celled organism... evolution right?
ok, what is the verb that goes between the first single celled organism and rock (planetary formation theory?)
i'm assuming you got that far in your physical science class this term...
PLEASE, enlighten me on which verb you prefer senpai!
This thread is the most loaded with shitposting of damn near any I've ever seen on this board.
>>74631964
>your magical theory that everything came from literally nothing sounds rather retarded.
"God has always been" is not any better, my man.
>>74632089
>found-first-amino-acid-on-a-comet/
We're ayy lmaos?
>>74617663
Come on man, Evolution is logical.
You've got me convinced on your Holocaust redpills, but this is a bridge too far
Even most religious people will tell you that Young Earth Creationism is a lot of bull
>>74631410
There is real evidence for the Younger Dryas Impact hypothesis that a comet struck North America near the end of the last ice age, rapidly melting polar ice which covered most of Canada and Russia at that time. The resulting flood surge retreated from higher ground in a matter of days/weeks, but the sea level never returned to its previous state. Take a look at a modern elevation map of the continental shelves.
There is also evidence of ocean water breaching natural dams and flooding what is now the Mediterranean and other nearby seas.
>mfw we share
>30 something % of our DNA with a fruit fly
>15% with Mustard grass
There's a few others...
Having something in common doesn't mean identical. Who ever implied that in this thread is retarded.
We're both males I'm assuming right, for example I like Brunette women, you may like Blonde haired women? We're both males (we share that in common) but we're not identical.
So to the cunt flap that made the implication (not you but someone did) fuck off and die.
Die of fire and pain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqeW9_5kURI
Here have some paki music.
>>74632297
Nah, amino acids aren't that exciting, they found a couple on mars, it's the arrangement of them that's AYY LMAO.
>>74617750
This.
Since OP is a retarded born again christian creationist, he deserves being dumped.
>>74632089
I wanted one of them to find the evidence, they will be more apt to fall further into their own idea if we give it to them. Oh well.
>>74632148
Please just google it. The above reason is more than enough reason for me not to humiliate you. Just google it and try to keep an open mind.
>>74632089
so... nothing -> big bang -> planet formation -> rocks -> abiogenesis -> humans ?
>humans evolved from rocks that appeared from nothing
>>74617663
micro evolution (breeding different strains/races) has been observed and done by humans in a very short timeframe (years or decades at most)
now imagine the cumulative effect of 100.000 years of microevolution.
with the right selective pressures, it's going to be huge.
So, it all comes down to, "If God made amino acids and devised the theory of evolution, along with the laws of physics and what not, then from where did God come?"
>>74618870
Don't burgers learn these facts in primary school or some shit
>>74632269
>god has always been is not any better
it completes your life and existence, faith gives peace, reason and understanding ... so yes, yes it is better in every way (including logically)
>>74632597
You miss understand the nothing part, nothing is very much a something we just don't know what yet.
>>74632802
>nothing is something
we just have no way to understand it, test it, collect any shred of empirical evidence that it ever happened... so lets base our entire society around this theory and abandon god so that it collapses into mass degeneracy and war.
>>74632324
The flood couldnt have happened, as there isnt enough water in the atmosphere to do this amount of damage, nor underneath the earth. Very interesting though.
>>74632597
Science puts its hands up and doesn't deal with absolutes until it has enough supportive evidence.
They provide hypothesis and theory, they don't go out on a crusade and slaughter people because of a few words in a text book, written by narcissistic, paranoid schizophrenics tripping out on magic mushrooms and who knows what else.
Science will say if it doesn't know, it won't spin a story like the bible or koran and force it down people's throats.
Your hate for science is understandable because you're misinformed as to what it deals with, let me tell you.
If someone comes up with a theory that cannot be proved, that is just an idea they won't be chastised for it, they'll be told to fuck off until they have enough satisfactory evidence.
Religion falls into this category, you don't seek higher things, you don't seek more evidence, you are content with what you have.
Which means you reach a standing point when others want to know more and more and more. To see if there is a creator or a God.
What I posted about Amino acids hitching rides on comets? That's just one of many many many theories about how we came to be, just like God making the world in 7 days is another theory.
A stupid one, but a theory.
>>74632667
What if those amino acids are broken parts of other life forms that put their cells/proteins into containers and flushed them around the universe to carry life on? That's another theory btw.
>>74633003
The water was trapped as ice, not underground or in the atmosphere.
It's the same situation we have now with climate change and sea level rise, just on a much larger and more rapid scale.
>>74632597
but nothing -> god -> everything apparently makes more sense even without any evidence backing it
>>74632597
>nothing -> big bang
This is a common misconception, the big bang is not a theory on the creation of the universe, only a theory to explain it's expansion. The universe must have existed before it, but no one has any idea why. As for the rest of your post, yes, that's basically the current understanding of it.
>>74632736
Having once been a religious person, I disagree. I think the things you listed can be achieved while remaining agnostic.
>>74633103
I think we're being trolled.
What time is it in America now?
Oh and tell CNN that the UK is one hour ahead of what it advertises as GMT on their website and the news channel.
Fucking fucktarded CNN.
>>74632736
>its better to be deluded than know the truth
i think reddit would better suit you friend
>>74632736
Not in any way. Faith is a good trait? Use reasoning instead, its more logical. Slavery isnt good either. Neither is sending people to hell. Or rape. I could go on.
>>74617663
>being a creationtard
oh yeah you think god made everything out of fucking spit and his goddamn eyelashes, don't you?
jesus fucking christ man
>>74632324
>>74633003
noah's story wasnt in the middle east or 4,000 years ago... it was 14,000 years ago in the black/caspian sea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outburst_flood#The_Caspian_and_Black_Seas_.28around_16.2C000_years_ago.29
>>74633218
I think this anon >>74633145
is correct, don't deal in complete absolutes, have an open mind, you should know that science encourages an open mind and religion encourages a closed one.
Which is better in your opinion? An open mind to explore possibilities and variables? Or a closed one that submits?
>>74617663
Looks like she dodged a bullet.
Losing an intelligent woman because you're a fucking christcuck.
>>74633053
>bringing up dogma for some reason
this thread is about science, specifically the theory of evolution... so everything you say regarding dogma has no place in this discussion and is essentially red herring/ad hominem.
i'd like a straight answer, you didnt confirm ...
nothing -> big bang -> planet formation -> rocks -> abiogenesis -> humans
essentially correct? if not, please update in this same arrow format please.
>>74633310
The Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis is estimated to be around 12,000 years ago.
>>74633102
No meteor was spoken of in the bible, but regardless that amount of ice wouldnt produce that flood. Also, where did it go? Thats a ton of water, it doesnt just disappear.
>>74633574
Kek drank it to fuel his memes.
>>74617663
Sorry bro sounds like your girlfriend is a huge cuck.
>>74633567
It's not dogma, it's accepted in the scientific community.
Just like your scriptures are accepted in the religious community.
Should I call that dogma as well?
If you want to deny amino acid chains forming complex proteins then by all means walk into Imperial university London and do it.
Those corpses there could do with a good laugh. Don't worry, they won't cut your head off.
>>74633102
are you denying the tenants of your own ideology? is this correct or not? help me pin down if this is what atheists really believe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oxygenation_Event
>God farted LOL.
Prove me wrong.
>>74632667
No, it doesn't.
>>74633328
Im agnostic, i keep an open mind. You must not be reading all of my posts. Of course we dont know, thats been my position all along. But im not going to ignore wrong things.
>>74632667
>>74633752
It's never ending, and that's what's good.
More learning, more knowledge. Not residing yourselves to the mud huts of Africa.
The religious faggot is more than happy to use scientific technology that started out as theory to preach his "dogma".
Cunt.
Not you two btw, the cunt is the Muslim ITT spewing his religious shit.
>>74633825
No I've been reading your posts, I was agreeing with you and backing it up with my own annotation to what you say.
It's called wanting to have ficki ficki.
>>74633574
The comet is thought to have struck North America, it would not have been witnessed by people living on the other hemisphere.
There water didn't go anywhere, the sea level was significantly lower during the last ice age than it is now. The tsunami like surges receded just like a storm surge from a hurricane, but the sea level rose "permanently", swallowing coastal areas.
Again, look at an elevation map of the continental shelves today, as well as map of where the sea level would have been during the last ice age.
>>74630286
Earliest land plants reproduced - we theorise - by spores, like ferns still do today. No pollinators needed. SOME plants are now reliant on animals (bees, ants, moths, mammals, birds) to reproduce, and we are seeing species become endangered of going extinct when the pollinating animal has become scarce. The niche that these plants once occupied will be filled by other plants, perhaps mutations of existing species which may one day become separate species.
>>74633145
>no absolutes
there seem to be many science loving atheists in here dealing with absolutes, as though there is any shred of scientific proof of genesis or the big bang.
you appear to be an honest god hater at least. you admit science really has no idea regarding the formation of the universe or life on this planet, especially human life and human conscience.
>the things you listed can be achieved while remaining agnostic
agnostics lack piety, a healthy fear of god, and embrace degeneracy... how can a life filled with pride also have peace?
>>74633871
Ah i see, mb. Its late in ameriburger.
>>74630266
You are skipping many steps in between, but yes. Life from inanimate matter. Intelligent life from unintelligent life. What is the problem with this?
>>74633174
nigel.. please confirm or deny
>atheists believe humans evolved from rocks that appeared from nothing
>>74633953
>as though there is any shred of scientific proof of genesis or the big bang.
I'm not dealing with absolutes, I can look at the big bang and genesis and accept them as theories but that doesn't mean I ardently believe them because I look for the weaknesses in them, I question them.
That's not dealing in absolutes at all, no one here except you are dealing in absolute.
He even said it in the post you quoted him. "It's just a theory".
"Just a theory", you try saying that "Mohammed was just a prophet" you'll get your head cut off.
So don't sit there throwing accusations like that, cunt.
>>74628766
So they can pretend to be Creationists on 4-chan. For the laughs.
>the theory of evolution was dreamed up by an atheist.....who upon his death bed admitted it was all bullshit and asked for Gods forgiveness......never trust a jew.
>>74633196
>truth
what is the truth? rocks + billions of years = sapient human life?
Take this believing in magic shit back to /x
Is evolution willing to prevent evil but not able?
Then it's not real.
Is it able but not willing?
Then it is not real.
Is it both able and willing?
Then it's not real.
Is it neither able nor willing?
Then it is not real.
>>74628367
Thanks.
>>74633218
we tried to use reasoning... none of you atheists will confirm your own reasoning.
>humans evolved from rocks that appeared from nothing
yes or no? is this your reasoning?
>>74634046
>atheists believe humans evolved from rocks that appeared from nothing
I don't think Atheists believe in anything really? I think you have hardcore nutjobs on both sides that will deal in absolutes.
I don't, neither does my ameriburger friend who I agree with.
Having an open mind to the possibilities of even yes "a God" is healthy, but taking it as gospel (pardon the pun) is not healthy at all, it shows how closed and feeble your mind is.
And what you said about coming from rocks? It's "just" a theory. No one can prove or disprove it, it's an idea and if enough evidence is gained to support that idea then it will be accepted as valid, but the ideas and the free thinking won't stop, people will look for alternatives, they will question and keep questioning and that is good because it creates.
New ideas help create the things you use today, from your mobility scooter, to your colostomy bag you have attached to your fat fucking arse.
;^)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLoSB_JrKDI
Have some Hobbit music and relax.
>>74633686
It's only one of many competing hypotheses. The brilliance of science is the ability to admit we don't know everything.
Sometimes human egos can impede the process, but with enough evidence even the most widely accepted theories can be overturned.
>>74633748
>God farted LOL.
its reddit guys
>>74626994
Small toes, toe nails, nails on little fingers, hair on odd parts of human body, too many teeth, coccyx - that is 6; can you think of more?
>>74633310
topographically, a 60-70m sea level rise would have flooded a large area of inhabited land around the same period (relatively). interesting
>>74633914
Noahs flood lasted far too long, an wouldnt have raised water levels by a crazy amount. The water covered mountains 22 ft high for a year in the bible. Maybe it did come down, but it didnt do anything biblical.
>>74626920
Um, artwork? Eye witnesses? Are you watching the Sci-Fi channel and thinking it is CNNN or the Evangelical documentary channel or something?
>>74630847
No, he/she isn't. Trust me.
>>74634294
Nah it's the valium kicking in, took 50mg at 7:30 this morning, high as a kite right now.
How you doing Nederbro?
>>74633668
>bringing up dogma again
>ignoring my question again
please, i realize i'm skipping lots of steps in your theory here, but play along... the start is nothing... rocks is somewhere in the middle... and humans at the end...
confirm or deny?
>>74617663
Why has no one posted this?
>>74631053
Spores - see ferns. Flowers are a quite late evolutionary feature.
>>74622120
Pretty good tldr. I'll have to use this next time I argue with some creationist retard.
>>74634452
I have to admit, bird is looking pretty swole.
>>74634371
That depends on how literally you interpret the bible. I'm not religious, but I do believe the bible and other texts do contain some real historical accounts, albeit warped through metaphors, superstition, and the limited knowledge of people at the time.
>>74627623
True, but an all-powerful Creator would be able to make varied life-forms that have similar outward appearance yet give them distinct DNA. Why not? Why re-use DNA from plants and fish in mammals? He creates an entire universe, trillions of suns, and has to economise on Earthly DNA? That is the silly part, if you believe in a godly-created Earth.
>>74634450
It's a theory, I question its validity and don't accept it as an absolute.
It's called having a free mind, you don't seem to grasp this yet.
You are posting one theory about how the universe came to be, when there are others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-standard_cosmology
Here's one for example, your question is an absolute, I already told you. I personally don't deal in those, so stop treading this path. Dildo head.
>>74634217
Third time, no. Misrepresenting science. Use google before you decide to discuss something you dont understand. I have no interest in your posts or replies, you are dishonest and couldnt back up your own hypothesis to replace the one you are failing to deconstruct here. Honestly, you cant even correct your clear mistakes.. Three times i had to try and help, to still end up here. Good luck.
>>74634708
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_78Z6xxN9s
Have some French Eurovision music from 2 years ago.
hahahaha.
>>74634690
It's a theory, don't accept it as an absolute, just keep it in your mind and compare its validity with others.
Question everything as the maymay goes.
>>74634672
Ill agree to that. I suppose we will have to wait on the evidence.
>>74634019
>what is the problem with this
glad you asked.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics
>entropy never decreases
>is not possible to vary the constraints of an isolated system in such a way as to decrease the entropy
so how can random events (evolutionary selection) decrease entropy when that isnt possible?
>>74627429
We separated from the common ancestor of us and monkeys a long time ago. Now the 2 groups (us and monkeys) occupy very different niches in ecology. The common ancestor no longer exists; it became extinct. Monkeys are evolving all the time, same as we are. Sidenote: HIV seems to be an infection apes have had for so long, they have adapted to it. We, however, being quite newly exposed to it, die - without medical help. If we lived in a world without modern medicine, eventually humans (assuming our species survived long enough!) would also adapt and develop resistance or counter-actions. Or our species would disappear.
>>74634690
>an all-powerful Creator would be able to make varied life-forms that have similar outward appearance yet give them distinct DNA.
what if i told you, God is a pajeet programmer and, hence, is very shitty at it.
>the entire universe has the same 100 or so elements. [Hydrogen, Helium, Lithium, Beryllium, ...]
>literally everything made up of them
God economised on the entire universe. He copy-pasted the entire code-base over and over again.
> if you believe in a godly-created Earth.
>God
i don't, really.
especially after that Australian shitposting university's delayed-choice experiment. [Thanks Australia]
I truly believe we are in a real Matrix. I just wonder who our Neo is.
>>74626133
Life does not need the 'toughest' creature. It needs a creature who can successfully reproduce and raise those offspring to have a good chance of reproducing themselves.
Toughness often comes at a cost: tortoise are tough, but slow. They cannot escape things like fire very well, and so, are not seen in areas with regular forest fires.
Birds have the advantage of flight, but cannot be too heavy.
>>74634878
Any biological system increases entropy through the production of waste. Consider heat, excretion, sound etc.
>>74634910
i like the idea of god punishing fags and degenerates better.
>>74634878
mate you're gonna have to explain where you see entropy decreasing
>>74634910
There is already an HIV resistance gene. It's just incredibly rare (<1% of the population.)
>>74634910
Eyesight as well, northern Europeans developed lighter coloured eyes to deal with low light levels in Northern Europe.
It's adapting to environment, let's say the Earth starts boiling due to the Sun becoming bigger.
Animal migratory patterns will change, bears will hibernate in the summer instead of winter to come out when it's more "BEARable" get it? See what I did there?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA! You either adapt or die.
I think that's what Darwin was getting at wasn't his wife (cousin) into science?
>>74635209
Found mainly in Northern Europe.
>>74635244
>hmm, interdasting.jpeg
>>74635310
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCR5
I think it's a natural blocking agent to HIV binding to receptor sites on T-Cells?
I am just way too high right now.
>>74634878
are you really claiming the earth has higher entropy now than when life evolved? what about after humans have reshaped the earth, fusioned all waste?
so how exactly did order (life) come to exist in a system headed towards maximum disorder (entropy)? so... randomly... entropy opposed itself and gave us mitochandria and chloroplasts?
>>74635609
I assume this was intended for me. The earth is not a closed system.
>>74635142
sorry wrong reply
>>74635609
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>>74635201
life by definition is decreased entropy
>>74633953
>as though there is any shred of scientific proof of genesis or the big bang.
I appreciate this reply, but you seem to have missed what I said. There is proof supporting the big bang, or similar event. But the big bang is NOT a theory on the universe's creation. The big bang MAY explain why our universe is in its current form but the universe MUST have existed beforehand. I'm just tired of people, creationists and atheists talking about the big bang as if it created everything from nothing, that's not the theory. It's not Genesis vs. Big Bang, it's Genesis vs. 'We have no idea". I'm going to bed.
>>74635765
Even intracellular organelles do this.
I suggest our religious friend reads up on cellular vesicles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesicle_(biology_and_chemistry)#Types_of_Vesicles
>>74635797
In order to produce order, biological systems produce disorder.
For example, take breathing.
Assuming we were perfect biological systems, we would take oxygen and glucose and produce energy, water and CO2 without anything else. But in reality, we are about 20% efficient at this. Metabolism produces most of your bodies natural heating, but that heat produced is an increase in the universes intropy.
>>74635927
>intropy.
Whoops, entropy.
>>74635797
>life by definition is decreased entropy
It isn't, and even if it were, the earth still wouldn't be a closed system.
>>74635706
>>74635797
yes, tagged wrongly
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>earth is not closed system
ok, lets include the sun... there is your closed system. life (order aka lowering entropy) cannot evolve in a closed system. want to make the closed system the solar system? ok the observable universe? ok... all closed systems.
random chance (evolutionary selection) cannot create order. take a thousand playing cards... throw them up into the air... they will not fall into a perfectly formed house of cards in the shape of Buckingham palace... no matter how many times you do this.
>>74636600
Entropy is "disorder" on a molecular level, not disorder as in "oh no I have too many papers on my desk! I've violated the second law of thermodynamics!"
>it's a /pol/ shows how retarded and ignorant they are thread
>>74635927
>believing random chance creates order out of chaos.
you take things like mitochandria and chloroplasts for granted, that they all have to already exist for this "order from disorder" to happen, the in between step is impossible. these are complex organisms, that your entire argument is entirely dependent upon already existing. they just happened?
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