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>>74523234
No inheritance = hardly anyone makes it to middle or upper class
>>74523234
Hernie is a thief
Hillary is a liar.
Or is it the other way around?
I can't tell anymore.
>>74523234
Isn't Trump doing something similar to Bernie? Give the middle/poor class an proper good tax while the rich had to pay more.
>>74523234
so he wants an inheritance tax? fuck off
>>74523234
>implying they won't get around it
>>74523234
>taxes inheritance
>parents just give all of their assets to their kids before they die
>suddenly there is just a tax on someone's wealth when there is an unsuspected death
>>74523234
It's double taxation any way you slice it. It would be bad for the economy, one of the driving factors that motivates people economically is having children, raising them, and leaving them something.
>>74523234
This is the coffin in the nail for Bernie.
May just be the most idiotic thing I've heard from him in a long time.
>>74523234
That's actually acceptable. Fuck trust funded kids.
What is the point of building capital? Oh right... FUCKING MORONS..
>>74523234
Giving poor people money is like giving toddlers hand grenades.
>>74523234
Essentially double taxing
He can fuck right off in the pussy
>>74523234
That is a complete non-argument.
"It is unreasonable that poor people can reproduce without paying a reasonable fair tax."
>>74523234
I think it's a good idea. Just because we have iphones and shit doesn't mean we aren't living in a fucked dystopia where almost everyone is poor and miserable. Tax the everloving shit out of a wealthy minority, it will never hurt a billionaire, they have all the avenues to create wealth from nothing but more wealth.
>>74523234
Retarded argument. The elite can just store their wealth outside the country. Middle class can't ever become rich because they can't pass their wealth forward. How can people be so stupid?
>>74523234
His twitter feed is just awful.
>It's unacceptable that women still earn less than men.
>It's unacceptable that homosexuals are still discriminated against.
>It's unacceptable that churches don't pay taxes but try to change our laws.
Give it a rest, Bernie.
>>74523376
No, did you even read the policy on his website? His plan has tax cuts on everybody even the top bracket from where they are now. I think you're confused because you got tricked by the Clinton media machine. They made it look like he wanted to raise taxes on the rich higher than they are now, when he really said they might have to go up from his proposed plan, because it has to go through Congress.
>>74523428
>Durr hurr take economic advice from Brazil
Look shitskin, if you care about your family and lineage like Whites, you fucking build generational wealth so you don't have to live in a tin shack like a fucking monkey and start from scratch. Its just the way capitalism works, if you dont like it, fucking eat dirt in Africa or stab eachother all day in Brazil. Zika is a fucking blessing.
>>74523234
that's a lie
>>74523234
>How dare people build wealth and give it to their successive generations?!
>Don't they know that's how wealth and advantage starts to accumulate and that's a bad thing!??!!?!
>We have to "reasonably" tax that away!
Everyone must start with a blank slate, no inheritance you greedy 'elite'!
>>74523234
He's got a fair point. The kids of the wealthy didn't really do anything to get that money. That's how you end up with wealthy inbred families who don't know shit.
>>74523234
They will find a way around it
Why work hard and leave something for my kids if bernie is just going to take it away.
>>74523234
>wants to tax dead people too
This guy is nuts.
>>74523425
>White people don't know what it's like to be poor.
This quote should have been the end... But it wasn't
>>74523234
>income has already been taxed
>property has been taxed every year
golly gee, can we spin it in a way where people will allow us to tax this shit even more?
>>74523234
>it's unacceptable that people can do what they want with money they earned
>>74523503
>>74523424
How is that double taxing? You are passing your money to someone else, doesn't matter if its your family or you died, you still need to be taxed.
>>74523234
So is this how Bernie is going to oay for free college?
why are jews so against saving money
>>74523234
Remove the word "billionaire" and ask again.
Sanders is a stupid piece of shit that needs to roll over and die already.
Greedy socialist human garbage.
Keep your fucking hands off our money and our freedom.
Also, one other thing, Bernie is a fucking tyrant masquerading as a nice old man. He uses words like "Fair" to justify the kind of taxation that would leave our economy in ruins and probably require to NKVD levels of policing to pull off the kind of overall tax plan he wants.
Taxing money that has already been taxed is not fair.
>>74523234
Why is it unacceptable?
Why do you think it's unfair? It's his wealth. Is a man not allowed to provide for the future of his family without career politicians thinking they deserve a piece?
>>74523234
>tax is not theft
>>74523674
Because you already got taxed on it when you received the money through income and property tax.
And this is all tied to the same mindset that saving money harms the economy. Everyone needs to learn to save money and only invest where needed, then you can afford taking greater risks. Fuck all this bullshit spending.
>>74523234
One billionaire family pays more into taxes per year than the occupants of large cities combined.
Sanders is living pretty well off the $42 million he collected from his potential constituents in 2015.
>>74523234
> It's unacceptable that billionarie families can leave virtually all of their wealth to their families
Am I living in bizarro world or something? It's their fucking money, they have every right to leave it to their families. I don't know what kind of family shekkelstein over here was raised into, but my parents cared about me and wanted to leave me money as a sign of love.
Fuck this nigger and every single entitled asshole like him who thinks he has a right to someone's money
>>74523632
Especially considering its mostly white people voting for him.
>>74523791
That's an overall total not an equal percentage though.
>>74523313
>average lifespan is 73
>if they had a child at thirty the kid would be 43 when the parent dies
According to you hardly anyone enters the middle class before their mid forties.
>>74523674
see
>>74523758
retard. wouldn't expect brazil to be able to count to 2
What a greedy fuck
>>74523632
I'm sure it will be brought up a lot if he gets nominated. The main reason Bernie isn't more hated is just because no one has actually taken a look at him because its very unlikely he could even become nominee let alone win the general election. If he got nominated shit like "I want to ban every semi automatic gun because they are only used as tools for killing" would come back to haunt him.
>>74523234
Aren't the children going to use the inheritance and thus the money moves around and gets taxed in some form?
>>74523694
Keynesian propaganda is one hell of a drug.
>>74523234
The government, who has clearly demonstrated their financial finesse, obviously deserves the money more than the deceased's family. Knowing this faggot, a "reasonable fair tax" is probably 50% or more.
>>74523726
people aren't taught to be humble anymore. What does Tim Cook owe me, if I never bought or used any Apple products? Nothing, neither did Steve Jobs. People think that others having much means you have less, when it's actually exactly not that. Wealth is not a zero sum game, wealth is created every day through hard work.
>>74523234
If you asked me 5 years ago when I was a naive Conservaturd corporate cocksucker if I think taxes for the wealthy should be raised, I would have said no.
Now that I'm more mature and see that the rich have gotten most of their wealth through massive immigration and outsourcing to lower wages, I would say a higher tax rate is justified and fair.
>>74523234
Why should death be a taxable event? You earn your money you're taxed on it. You spend your money, you're taxed on it. Now because you die, Uncle Same needs a piece too?
The estate tax doesn't even bring in much revenue to the government. It is literally the left being whiny envious cunts, saying that's not fair that someone else got something from their family.
>>74523674
because it was already taxed when it was made either income or capital gains.
>>74523234
>It's unacceptable to leave the money you've earned to your children
this is straight-up communist talk
jesus fucking christ
if I work for my entire goddamn life, you're damn right I'm gonna leave what I've earned to my kids so they can have it better
>>74523522
>Just because we have iphones and shit doesn't mean we aren't living in a fucked dystopia where almost everyone is poor and miserable.
No government will ever fix this. Unhappiness in the face of modern excess is the fault of the people.
>>74523613
His fair point isn't a point at all when the only ones who are affected by a estate tax for "elites" are the ones who inherit assets that are only high in value on paper.
For example, farmers usually own farms worth several million on paper while having minimal income and this hits the inheritors with incredible tax fines of several hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Meanwhile, the rich put their assets and funds into Trusts and outside of the country, which the government can't touch without literally invading other countries (though Bernie doesn't know this and expects to force other countries to bow at a snap of the fingers) so the gap in taxes has to be filled from the inheritance of the little folk passing on their homes to their kids.
>>74523405
This
>Hey son, do you want a mansion for just 5k?
>how about my rolls royce for 5$? I get to use it until I die.
>>74523416
Parents just put their wealth into a trust under their kids names.
The parent controls the trust until their death, the the children already own the wealth before their death.
>>74523923
He's talking about billionaires. I doubt you are one.
Stop being a stupid conservaturd corporate cocksucker.
Many of these billionaires made their fortune by forcing mass immigration and outsourcing to lower wages. It's only fair that they pay much higher taxes to pay back the money that should have gone to the bottom 99% if they didn't push their destructive policies.
>>74523234
I don't care either way, I'm not going to see any of that money even if they are taxed into poverty.
>>74523613
That takes away a lot of the motivation to build wealth though. Honestly the only reason I have any mutual funds and IRA's are for my kids when I die. Honestly the only reason I still work is for them.
>>74523704
This Bernie fans/leftovers from the #Occupy movement function through a dehumanizing hatred of the rich. They seem to think that once you eastern an arbitrarily high amount of money, human rights stop applying.
>>74524043
Kill yourself you fucking socialist dick smoking human scum.
Lay your neck on a fucking train track and die.
>>74523923
This. I hope someone assassinates this fuckstick, right after he fails to get the nomination, for the lulz
>>74523674
Because, idiot, you're taxed when you buy it. Then, when you pass it on to your child, it's taxed (again).
>>74523674
the money was already taxed when you earned it
>>74523758
But that money is not yours anymore. If you sell your house to someone else, you will have to pay taxes. How is this different?
>>74523613
who cares? Niggers don't know shit either.
>>74523907
A short and perfect argument
>>74523613
What do you think is happening with the money? Do they horde it under their pillows? No. They trust smart people to invest it. New companies can rise with these investments, that otherwise could never start.
>it's unacceptable that a man can work hard and provide for his family
peak fucking kek
When are Bernie supporters going to acknowledge they're full on communists?
>>74524043
>GOVERNMENT WILL LITERALLY DISTRIBUTE THE WEALTH!!
t.Moron who dies in the purge of the bourgeoisie
>>74524083
I'm not a socialist, you conservashit cocksucker.
I'm looking at this logically. If the rich billionaires want mass immigration and outsourcing to lower wages, then they SHOULD pay much higher taxes to ensure most of the money is kept in circulation. That is an economically sound policy. The rich should not have it both ways.
Either we stop immigration or they pay higher taxes.
>>74523234
I'm a richfag and I already have college funds set up for my kids. Is that unacceptable too? I don't pay a 90% tax on it.
>>74524043
>forcing mass immigration and outsourcing to lower wage
>is going to vote for clinton
>who will literally turn us into mexico 2.0
>>74523907
>It is literally the left being whiny envious cunts
This guy gets it.
>>74524043
>only billionaires die and leave an inheritance
What happens when middle class assholes [sic.] die? Should their children not be better off?
>>74523234
>reasonable fair tax
>reasonable fair
I think this guy should kill himself
>>74524043
Do you realize people will just leave the country?
>>74523851
So? Wealthy people and corporations contribute the vast majority of collected taxes. They benefit you and I, not themselves.
>>74524113
But you're not selling anything, it's more like you're giving it away to someone.
>>74523234
Oh well who could disagree with a tax that is, by its definition, FAIR and REASONABLE. oh yes I'm all for taxes to be FAIR and REASONABLE. And surely you and me and Bernie all agree on what that is.
>>74523522
Jesus Christ, the whole package man.
Australia is baiting hard is practically every thread.
Fuck off lazy commie shits.
>>74524113
inheritance != selling
Nice try, faggot.
>>74523812
Because niggers if nothing else are social creatures and know a slimy Jew when they see one.
>>74523851
and which one of those quantities are scaler faggot? you can't touch or spend percentage
>>74523855
>According to you hardly anyone enters the middle class before their mid forties.
You lost me here.
>>74523980
>son here is my fortune before I die
>good thing I didn't write a will
>>74523990
Damn anon, you know your shit. Financial planner?
>>74523234
It's unacceptable that the number of Jews be allowed to surpass a reasonable and fair amount.
>>74524113
Its your fucking shit to give to whoever you want and it's their property, the government have no right to tax shit that's already been taxed. It's like when the Xbox One was originally not going to allow you to play used games unless you pay the Xbox tax, same kike shit.
>>74524196
They do distribute it. The tax money that the government gets are used for government worker salaries, infrastructure, education, etc, so the money is kept in circulation instead of in an off-shore account where it's not being used.
>mother's grandparents die
>left about 50k € to my mom
>she lost more than half of it to taxes and legal procedures
literally why you should invest in stone
>wealth is bad!
Fuck you postmodern politics
>>74523674
A FUCKING MONKEY
Bullshit argument/reasoning. Usually those who inherit "Billions" cash it out by the third generation at the latest. Just a jealous/bitter old faggot.
>>74523904
> that the rich have gotten most of their wealth through massive immigration and outsourcing to lower wages,
5 years ago you are retarded as you are today.
By the "Rich" I certainly hope you don't mean people making 250k+, only the very small minority are making money via outsourcing or immigration.
60% of the private sector jobs created in this country are small businesses, 50% of our economy is small business.
>>74523234
>its greedy when parents leave money for their kids
>its not greedy when the federal government steals money from dead people
>>74524255
Don't worry, once everyone agrees its acceptable to fuck the billionaire they will grow fatter and need a little more.
Than grubby fat retarded kike ass cock smokers like this guy >>74524199
will argue we need to go after the millionaires.
Life will carry on than they will need a lil more cause "Oh my god poor people still exist!".
Once they've chopped down those two they will start going after your average joe, decrying how we all need to earn our own way and they just take away all forms of inheritance all together.
>>74523855
It builds up over generations. A middle class doesn't develope in one generation.
I think someone needs to drag this kike behind their truck
>>74524199
They already pay higher taxes.
That's not actually true, so he's being retarded.
It's also fundamentally amoral. There is no reasonable ethical framework where the state deserves a man's possessions over his children.
>>74523234
Inheritance tax is only tax exempt up to like 200k. Bernie is full of shit
>>74523234
>we should punish families who provide a good environment for their children
nice try shekelstein.
>>74524447
Much higher than it is today.
An inheritance tax is literally just stealing. fuck off poor niggers
>>74523234
>It is wrong for people to leave the products of their life's labors to their posterity
>their life's labor belongs to everyone else, not their children
Liberals are suck fucking scum
>>74523234
Fucking retarded. There should be a 0% tax on inheritance.
Most wealth is gone after a couple generation anyway, this is stupid as fuck. Bernie is a clown.
>>74524450
When you're a brainwashed socialist cock wad everything is justified. Don't forget, these people are worse than muslims or christians, they also firmly believe they work for the righteous, just cause, and dilute themselves into believing whatever they need to suit their own ends.
>>74524199
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ
Watch this, if you are logical as you claim you might change your mind.
We aren't as "rich" as you think in this country.
>>74524420
>By the "Rich" I certainly hope you don't mean people making 250k+, only the very small minority are making money via outsourcing or immigration.
I'm am talking to anyone who makes an inflated profit through hiring immigrants and/or outsourcing.
>>74524083
So you're saying you like mass immigration and labor outsourcing :^)
>>74523416
you stupid leaf we have gift taxes. no im not explaining it to you.
>>74523234
This is a CRUCIAL position. Bernie MUST be president. He CANNOT give up just because he loses the Democratic nomination. He MUST run as a third party candidate. The future of our country DEPENDS on it.
>>74524351
>using scalar incorrectly
yea but seriously bernie is a fucking bernout, hope he dies asap
>>74523674
>-4% growth
I wouldn't take a Brazilians opinion on economics seriously
>>74524549
I actually agree with some tax on inheritance, but anything more than marginal tax rate for the individual's income bracket is ridiculous.
But I'd also like to see flat tax implemented with no exceptions anyway.
>>74523428
Lmao you fucking third world piece of shit. Sorry not everyone is a poor scumbag like you.
>>74524410
Cringe
>>74524645
Its funny how you leftist dick smokers only seem to care about this now that your commie leader sanders is bitching about it.
This wouldn't even been on the table if it wasn't for Trump.
Just do as I said earlier and kill yourself, you are a disgrace and everything wrong with this country.
>>74524351
>scaler
maximum overkek
>>74523234
>you shouldn't be allowed to inherit all of your family's land when the head of the household dies
Literally fucking communism.
>>74523674
A FUCKING SKY
>>74524591
Doesn't take into account corporate profits, which have been record-shattering for the past 3 decades.
I'm willing to bet that without immigration and outsourcing, hardly anyone will make over $50 million/year. The profits of corporations and corporate executives will have to be shared with the working class due to labor shortages, which cause increases in labor demand.
Of course, the wealthy will cry foul and say it's a holocaust that they can't import Chang and Pajeet to do skilled work for minimum wage.
>>74523234
It is very acceptable. Why would you give what you have worked for, for someone else other than your family?
>>74524357
>implying they can't get lawyers to work their bullshit magic to null and void any sales in the event of suspicious death
>>74524266
"Reasonable" and "fair" in the world of politicians means one thing
More
>>74524599
Well you mentioned the so called 1%, the vast majority of which are not making a profit from outsourcing or illegal immigration. The problem is, once you give the government this power, there is no guarantee it only applies to those who are profiting on the death of our country.
We should just punish the companies using illegals with fines like Obama SHOULD be doing, and deporting the fuckers.
>>74524435
You're an idiot
>>74524810
>70 years old
>"I'm getting old and can't tell if I'm writing my name right. Can I use your name?"
>Suddenly everything bought in sons name
Wow that was hard.
>>74524758
I'm not a leftist, you moron.
I don't advocate for immigration and outsourcing.
I'm just not a corporate cocksucker like you are.
>>74524645
>cheap goods are bad
xd
>>74524803
>Doesn't take into account corporate profits,
You didn't even watch the whole video, you posted 3 and half minutes after did. You aren't very logical if you can't watch a 9 minute video without dismissing it.
The point is there is nowhere near enough money to tax from the rich and still have an economy left the next year.
>>74523234
Income that was taxed once already should not be taxed again.
>>74524758
You're the one who wants to flood the USA with beaners and send all our work to China, apparently
Don't a lot of people loss their inheritance and regress to the mean; as they do not have the skills of their parents to build and maintain said wealth.
>>74523234
I would say it is greedy when you are the head of government and you are demanding more money like you are entitled to it. Bernie is not going to be using that money any more efficiently than a trust fund heir would.
>>74523980
It doesn't work like that. They tax you on the higher of market value or sales price.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtihjxLtanE
>>74524983
This.
>Why are you taking this money I would spend on booze and cars?
>So people on welfare can buy booze and cars. But someone has to manage that so it will be even less
>>74524435
That's Bullshit. My grandparents were dirt ass poor with 4 kids. Two doctors, a ceo, and a concert violinist. Each one of them are at the very least, considered upper middle class.
If you aren't a piece of shit and work hard, you can build an impressive lineage in one generation.
>>74524953
Wrong. Income should not be taxed.
>>74523234
Inheritance tax is like 40-60%.
Remember kids, you can't even think about talking bad about liberals
>>74523234
>classes
Those don't exist in America bern outs. Stop pretending they do.
>>74523234
Thank god he lost. Inheritance taxes are retarded and hit the middle class just as hard as the elites.
>>74524826
Have you taken a look at corporate profits for the past 3 decades? They've been record-shattering.
All of the wage growth for the past few decades have gone to management (Mostly executives). The billions of profits that corporations make aren't counted as the 1%, since corporations are not humans.
Without immigration and outsourcing, a significant portion of corporate profits will be added to payrolls. Yes, no company will be making more than $50 million in profit any more and the rich will whine and cry that they can't import Chang and Pajeet to do skilled work for min wage, but wages for the bottom 99% will go up.
>>74525110
He's not out #momentum
>>74524366
Professional shit poster
>>74525110
>just as hard
the elites will avoid it through tax loop holes completely, and as always, any new tax on elites is really just a tax on the middle class
>>74523234
>Bernie becomes president
>Passes a law for some crazy death tax
>Some rich billionaire playboy widower tries to marry his son/daughter to pass on his money without paying the death tax
>Government says you can't do that
>He sues the government
>He wins because "muh you can't legislate morality"
The rich will always tiptoe around or disobey laws concerning taxes. Always, always, always.
>>74523234
Fucking evil piece of shit
>>74523234
And his wife shouldn't be allowed to collect a severance package after bankrupting a university she was in charge of. Don't see him talking about that at all.
>>74525162
Shut the fuck up and buy a MAGA hat already. Bernie lost when he let bent over and Cucked for BLM. He would have won if he hit Hillary as hard as he should have, but instead because he was afraid of the media calling him sexist, he acted like a pussy. What's worse is all the dumb fucks who donated to him. Nice try retards.
>>74523234
There already IS a tax on any money/property inherited in the United States Of America
>Estate Tax
>>74524949
You are an idiot. That video is about funding government programs using wealthy people's money. This has nothing to do with funding government programs.
I am talking about wages and their indirect relationship with corporate profits from immigration and oursourcing.
Answer me this:
What reason would their be for Mr. Goldberg to raise your wage if there are 1.3 billion Changs and 1 billion Pajeets willing to do your work for a fraction of your current wage? It doesn't matter if Goldberg is making lots of money or not. There is no incentive for him to raise wages, and this is where you Reagan cocksuckers are wrong. Trickle down doesn't work with immigration, as immigration lowers labor demand.
Why is everyone cool with governments skimming off the top of every transaction that you will ever make?
>Want a stick of gum? lol, pay us 10 cents.
>>74525009
So you're going to tax private sales based on whatever the government values it not the market price?
>Thailand economists
Can't wait to have a $50 tax on every bag of chips because the government thinks its worth $100.
>>74525269
It's just a prank bro
>>74525331
Sales tax is strictly a state thing. Blame your state governments, not the federal government.
>>74525068
This.
So long as you have a valuable skill that puts you above everyone else you will be above everyone else.
>>74523234
If you tax inheritance it's now in the governments best interest for you to die. Why would anyone put a bounty on there own head?
>>74525142
So you just ignored my post? I don't think you realize that it doesn't matter how high the corporate profits are. There literally isn't enough money in the entire country to tax away our debt.
Just build a wall, punish the companies that hire illegal immigrants with fines, punish the companies that are leaving with a tariff. Don't start levying absurd taxes which will stagnate the economy, if you don't prefer the former option you certainly aren't a Conservative as you claim.
>>74524887
I don't pretend to be a lawyer or well versed in rich folk problems, but if there is a way to exploit the system they're going to figure it out in a way that prevents them from getting fucked
There is already an inheritance tax, the issue is probably with people keeping the money in a corporation and passing control of the corporation to their children or keeping it in an overseas account.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleaebeling/2014/10/30/irs-announces-2015-estate-and-gift-tax-limits/#3b400f4738f4
There is no tax that can prevent this unless you force people who transfer control of a corporation or other business entities to pay a tax.
Sanders is just trying to get idiots riled up over something that can't be changed without crippling businesses.
>>74525397
Sure, but the point still stands
>>74525510
>something that can't be changed without crippling businesses.
Have you ever talked to a socialist? That is their goal.
>>74523234
It's unacceptable that Bernie Sanders is still running in this election.
I just realized what a faggy name Bernard is
>>74525334
I'm an American.
>>74523234
>earn money
>pay tax on it as you earn it
>government wants to take half of your post tax earnings just...because
fuck sanders. commie fucking wingbat.
>literally gibs me dat: the candidate
>>74524931
This is a myth.
What will happen is prices will stay flat and companies and execs will just take a large profit hit.
No immigration and outsourcing keeps aggregate demand constant while increasing labor demand through labor shortage.
Profit margins will shrink a lot and most companies making billions in profit now will have their profits cut 70-80%, but consumer prices will remain the same.
>>74525422
Yeah. Kinda fucking sucks though, worked my fucking dick off my whole life while to get good grades, go to school, get a good career, and it's all because of my white privilege now. I really hope we have a sjw genocide in my life time.
It's gotten to the point where I don't think I'll even have kids because I don't want to bring anyone up in this shit storm we have going on.
>>74525493
I am not talking about our debt. I am talking about wages and their relation to corporate profits.
>>74523234
>it's unfair that people who have worked harder to earn more money than I have are allowed to do what they want with it instead of being forced to give it to Tyrone
>>74525272
But its not reasonable or fair because its not 100 %
>>74523234
YEAH! Fuck leaving something for your children!
>>74523234
I never understood this logic, except from a "Fuck the rich" perspective.
When you make money, the government taxes it in income taxes. When you spend the money, in most countries it is taxes in the sales taxes. I don't understand taxing it again a third time.
Mitt R-Money made this argument in 2012 and because he reeked of money people wrote it off as self-interest, but this is a good argument. Taxing income more than twice is just bleeding the rich.
>>74523234
They were already taxed on that money when they earned it, and they will be taxed again when they spend it. They'll even be taxed if they try to invest it
>>74523234
if the border was closed maybe i would be more socialist
oh and we owe 20T already
>>74525731
>What will happen is prices will stay flat and companies and execs will just take a large profit hit.
LOLOL fucking [CITATION NEEDED] you clown.
>hurr, everything wrong with the economy is because of GREEDY rich CEO's!!! xDDD
>Those same greedy rich CEO's will gladly take a pay cut so that they can pay $15/hr instead of just hiking prices up!
goddamn, bernouts are fucking retarded.
>>74525801
Yeah but the original argument comes from general taxation, and the point of taxation is paying for government operations and servicing the debt.
>>74526011
Price is mostly a function of demand. Stagnant population will most likely stagnate demand for commodities, keeping prices fixed.
Also, with no immigrants, there will be labor shortages, forcing companies to raise wages to attract people. At the same time, they can not increase their prices to remain competitive.
>>74526015
The tax should be redistributed to the population.
Raise it to 90% and whatever you collect, divide it by the population and wire it to their bank accounts.
>>74523613
>I don't like people who have stuff I don't have and act in a way I don't like
>those people's rights and freedoms should be violated so I can feel good
>>74523234
Funny how everyone is responding to this. He didn't mention middle class at all. Yes, it is unacceptable to hoard BILLIONS of dollars of wealth, because money isn't meant to be hoarded. It is literally impoverishing our society to do so and if you think otherwise, you do not have a grasp of basic economics.
>>74525575
They truly want to watch the world burn more than the happening fags.
>>74523234
Absolute garbage. The Rothschilds, Rockefellers etc all completely ignore it anyway why aren't you tweeting at them Bernie, oh wait its cause theyre jewish like you. Bernie means white families, not jewish families oy gevalt we all know dey shudden pay duh same taxes!
>>74526300
>Also, with no immigrants, there will be labor shortages, forcing companies to raise wages to attract people
Man, I'm so sick of this lie.
>>74526384
If those fags made their wealth without hiring Pajeets and Changs doing skilled work for minimum wage, then it's okay.
Problem is that most rich people did make the majority of their money by outsourcing and hiring immigrants. Their inheritance money that you're protecting should have gone to the bottom 99%.
>>74523234
I disagree with his (communist) opinion
>>74526390
>it is literally impoverishing our society
It doesn't do anything to harm anyone, a wholly victimless crime. It neither bashes my head in nor picks my pocket.
>>74526490
How is this a lie?
We have to force companies to compete for hiring Americans. That's how you have wage growth.
Don't bring up Japan. Their country makes it difficult for foreign companies to compete, allowing their conglomerates to assfuck the population.
Here in the US, foreign companies compete with little restriction, so they compete with our domestic firms for labor, which is good.
>>74526300
Oh, no, we can't have fixed prices for things. Oy vey, imagine not having a perpetually growing economy.
Just fuck off already please you neocon cunt. I hate you and your all your kike family.
>>74523674
ur a n for a reason
and dont even claim trolling yr flag tells me ur shit for brains
>>74525456
>Change the White supremacist with Black ghetto thugs
>Change the Christian with LGBTQAA+ Atheist
It's the same mate.
>>74526599
Why? Because you've been hegemonized to believe COMMUNISM IS EVIL or you like being ruled by the elite class?
No, it's their money. Don't fucking touch it
>>74523234
Does anyone else have a visceral hatred for this guy?
Oh, now it is a crime to gift someone i love my money. What is next, taxing Birthday presents? Why does this commie still live?
>>74526792
lel
You really think the billionaires would have anything close to what they have now if there were no immigration and outsourcing?
Their wealth would probably be cut by 90%.
>>74523522
Wow this is such a statement of financial ignorance
>>74523234
Inheritance is inheritance.
The guy could just bury all their cash with them, and it'd never see the light of day again. At least if it's inherited the following person can actually spend the money and pay taxes on what they buy. Or they can invest it, hopefully in America, and that makes it create jobs.
>>74526831
I do.
He's the personification of the most bullyable kid in high school.
>>74523674
Well, triple taxed really. Taxed when you make the money, taxed when you spend the money, and taxed again when you give what you bought when you die. It's bullshit
>>74526572
Your logic is once again "I don't like that these people did this, so let's take their fucking money".
How they got their wealth should have no bearing on how they get taxed. If you don't want them to outsource, then make outsourcing illegal. That's the same logic as you paying "white male" tax because your privilege caused you to earn more money at the expense of minorities. Also most outsourcing in corporations happens because the shareholders of those corporations want to maximise profit margins, shareholders happen to be people from upper AND middle class backgrounds. This whole "CEOs R EVIL" meme needs to die.
>>74526682
>How is this a lie?
>We have to force companies to compete for hiring Americans. That's how you have wage growth.
Importing tons of immigrants so there aren't labor shortages are somehow going to raise wages? Do you even consider what you're saying?
No american is going to be able to compete if you just bring in a bunch of immigrants who will take the job at $10/hr. Thus, the wages don't rise, because there's no competition, just some 3rd world schmuck who will gladly work for a pittance.
>>74523376
"No"
It's a deform. They'll pay less, but get less loopholes so pay more in the end. Say they're suppose to pay 30% now, but only pay 5% in the end. With the deform, they'll be taxed 15%, but only get enough loopholes and deductions to bring it down to 10%. Therefore, they pay more in the end, while getting a tax cut. They also have less lawyers and accountants to hire to get those tax cuts, so it evens out, with more money going to Taxes rather than the people getting the loopholes.
>>74526753
Because he didn't provide an argument, for one, and he's a communist
>>74523990
Fucking this. Trusts are OP, and everyone that has even a moderate amount of assets should get a trust. Probate can kiss my ass.
>>74523234
The result is an aristocracy of trust fund cunts that we all hate. Yeah, Bernie is right on this one.
Warren Buffet is right too. He paid for his kid's education, and maybe enough for a middle classs starter house, I forget, but that's it. No massive inheritance, no affluenza.
>>74523613
As opposed to poor inbred family's that don't know shit? Decent people have been leaving their children shit since this country was founded fuck that old commie bitch.
>>74527066
>Importing tons of immigrants so there aren't labor shortages are somehow going to raise wages?
I'm not advocating for immigrants. I'm opposed to any immigration.
>>74526874
How about we just kill you and shove your body under someone's stairs? You wouldn't have your life without someone else's hard work that you had nothing to do with, you fucking queer.
Again, for anyone bitching about what he said, be annoyed because he is just pandering to his idiot followers, not because he's suggesting something that is even possible.
Most of these billionaires have a majority of their wealth in their corporations or in overseas accounts that can't be taxed.
>>74526874
Who cares. They earned it. Be it through outsmarting dumbasses and taking advantage of them or hard work. They got it fair and square. You want more money? Work for it or convince some shit for brains to make it for you.
>>74523234
He wants to steal from people even in death.
NOT EVEN THE DEAD CAN ESCAPE COMMUNISM
This kike needs assassinated before his faggot ass views infect America more.
The entire reason inheritance taxes exist for the filthy rich (unless you are inheriting more than a million dollars this barely affects you) is economic justice.
Picture the world in the 1700s when the Constitution was written. The aristocracy, the landowners, the merchants: they were born rich, they died rich, and their children got all of their assets when their parents died. A permanent upper class with no good reason beyond property law for why they deserved their good fortunes.
And you were born poor you sure as hell were going to die poor.
If you subscribe to MMT, the rich are by definition unproductive black holes of money extracting rent from the assets under their control. So the solution was simple: don't take the money away from the rich while they are alive to enjoy it, take it when they die because they can't take it with them. Leave enough behind to make their childrens' lives comfortable and put the rest to use improving the society that made that wealth possible.
>>74527054
Nice argument. Just 1 problem.
The US was supposed to be for whites only. It was well-documented. By importing shitskins, the rich and corporations are breaking the law, and so we should take all their money.
It's like selling crack. If you get caught, all your money gets seized.
So he wants... What? A death tax?
Come on guys! Voluntario Para Bernie!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuWwOzOA2A8
>>74527066
Not only that, the Americas that would be filling those jobs now compete for the cubicle jobs, alongside outsourcing etc, driving middle class wages down. And so on.
All you have to do to win the illegal immigrant argument vs. a liberal is argue it from a liberal's standpoint. Illegal immigration hurts the black community most of all, with Latin Americans a much closer second than caucasian Americans. Illegal immigration is used as a weapon to destroy unions. Illegal immigration contributes heavily to wage stagnation. Etc.
>>74527114
>implying only billionaires will get taxed
KEK.
>>74526390
Yeah, he's talking about like Paris Hilton level and RICHER.
This wouldn't touch the middle class at all. Shit, it wouldn't even touch the upper middle class.
This would mostly hit kikes and Rothschilds and shit and I'm all for anything we can do to pry money out of the pockets of those fucking Jew bastards.
>>74527097
Trusts are still taxed as income.
>>74527331
Agreed. Aristocracy is unamerican. Leave that shit to the Eurocucks.
>>74523234
Nice tautology
>>74523234
So you're saying after you're already paid tax on the money you make, you have to pay more tax on it just to leave it to your children..?
>>74527329
Too late. In four to eight years we're probably gonna have a full blown communist running.
>>74527248
>You wouldn't have your life without someone else's hard work that you had nothing to do with,
lel... Oh I don't doubt for a second the wealthy worked hard to get laxer immigration laws passed.
Keep sucking that corporate cock, goy. I'm sure your Jewish boss will give you a $.50 raise in 5 years if you work 15 hours a day with no overtime. Gotta keep up with Carlos who wants to work for $4/hour.
>>74526626
It's easy to say that when you can't directly see the effects, but let me exaggerate it for you and maybe it will be more clear.
Imagine everyone starts with a dollar to trade with. Now hey, this one guy made some great cheese balls or some shit and sells them to everyone for a dollar. He now has all the dollars, but he's going to hoard it in an offshore account for his family and future generations. Now nobody can buy anything except him and the money is moving nowhere. But it's okay! He will buy a pizza or some shit every once in a while... trickle down economics really works! You may be starving now but at least he didn't bash your head in or pick your pocket!
>>74527339
Yes but correcting the actions of all rich people today with those of an elite few from generations ago is the same logic that says you should pay reparations for other Americans in the past owning slaves. It's a totally logically incongruent idea. The most important American ideal is the free market, get rich however you can bar breaking the current legal system. If it was easy to get rich, everyone would be rich, taxing people for success is worse than theft.
>>74526390
Spending hundreds of billions on fat mexicans, fat niggers, fat white trash, and fat illegals is far worse than some trust fund baby having money.
>>74527709
So if I buy a stolen bike from a nigger, the original owner can't get it back from me?
Ill-gotten gains are still ill-gotten gains.
>>74523234
>reasonable fair
wtf? What is reasonable or fair about stealing another man's money (money he's leaving to his children no less) just because he is extremely successful?
>>74525671
Don't play your identity politics here. You can't just say your an american and become one.
>>74527604
Are you stupid? Theres no fucking shortage of American Dollars.
Your analogy is as shit as your beliefs.
People saving their money in no way has an effect on you, you communist wimp wristed faggot fuck.
Holy fuck this thread, its going to give me a stroke.
>>74523598
>Slavs
fuck off nigger
>>74527709
>The most important American ideal is the free market, get rich however you can bar breaking the current legal system.
So there's no problem with doing it by taxing the rich to give to the poor?
American ideals and all that jazz.
>>74527865
That's 1 way to think about it.
Another way to think about it is that the the rich helped pushed laxer immigration and outsourcing laws which have grossly inflated their profits.
Without any of those laws which they've passed, their inheritance would be a lot smaller.
>>74527514
Literally only the top .3% lol but I guess jumping to conclusions is easier for most people.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-proposes-tax-on-billionaires-to-reduce-wealth-inequality
>>74523416
As someone who just lost a grandfather, who had a not insignificant amount of wealth by the end of his life due to his hard work and diligence in investing his money, the way around it is to have a trust set up, but to also start years in advance of the end of the time giving your kids right up to the amount that requires being divulged on your 1040 as a gift. This way the government has as small of a chance (as well as any retirement home) of getting their grubby fingers into getting anything from the estate after they pass.
My grandfather had been doing this for a while, selling his house to his daughters, his business to his sons years in advance to prevent the government or any possible retirement home from getting anything from him Luckily he passed before he had to go into a home so that is one less person who was able to get their hands into the pie.
>>74523522
>it will never hurt a billionaire
found the guy who has never ran a business in his life. Every penny counts, and when you've worked as hard as these people have for what they have you'd understand just how important saving your money is. Imagine if you had 50k in your bank account and some fuckface came along and told you you are not paying your fair share and decided to tax you 20% of your finances. You'd be pissed. Well 10k to you is also 10k to a rich man, so when a rich man loses billions, do you think he will be any less pissed?
>>74527604
Let me offer you a counter argument.
Let's say every day, everyone gets a dollar. People go out and spend their dollar, except one guy. This guy saves his dollars for a week and makes cheese balls that are the best in the town. Everyone flocks to his cheese ball stand every day and buys a cheeseball for $.50. He takes this money, buys his supplies, and saves the rest for a rainy day or for his kids, a new house, a boat, car, etc. Why is it anyone else's business why he decides to save his money, regardless of the money he holds? He made cheese balls and earned his money fair and square. Maybe everyone else should have saved and made their own cheese balls.
>>74526428
They have an irrational hate for anyone who has more money than them, not just rich people.
>>74528084
Another corporate cocksucker.
The guy with only $50k in his bank account is probably just someone on a payroll who did not push for destructive immigration policies that have reduced wages.
The billionaires, on the other hand, did do just that. Their profits were grossly inflated at the expense of the bottom 99%. It's only fair and economically sound that their ill-gotten gains were taxed back into circulation like it would have been if it weren't for the immigration laws they passed.
>>74527823
This was actually asked of me when I applied to Law School (sans the bigger part) and case law and general jurisprudential consensus would say that if you bought stolen goods but were not consciously supporting their theft (ie you bought a bike, but didn't ask if it was stolen or not) then you are entitled to that bike fully. And even in situations were you did know it was stolen often you would be punished with a very minor misdemeanour.
>>74527954
Yep, illegal immigration is allowed in America because it benefits the rich. That's why there is this revolt against the Republican Party. Hopefully some of the black community and unions will revolt against the Dems. It's really just the business wing of both parties fucking over the rest of America via institutionalized corruption. Corporatism.
>>74523234
In the future we will make it illegal for biological ""parents"" to raise their own offspring.
The only way to eliminate privilege is to raise children in state-run institutions and force them to cut off all contact with their biological precursors.
All forms of inheritance must be eliminated as well, and wealth will be confiscated by the state upon an individual's death.
>>74523234
>inheritance tax
>>74528084
> Well 10k to you is also 10k to a rich man
Congrats on having no grasp of economics.
10k to an Iowan isn't even 10k to a New Yorker. Value propositions vary based on a totality of circumstance, even for money itself.
You aren't selling sand to a motherfucker that lives in the desert and a rich man an afford to spend $10k far more than a poor man.
>>74528292
Holy flying fuck you are one delusional shitbag.
>>74528068
so he was worth how many billions?? none? okay this shit doesn't apply
>>74528295
>And even in situations were you did know it was stolen often you would be punished with a very minor misdemeanour.
And in our analogy, the rich did pass immigration laws knowing full-well that it would destroy the bottom 99% economically.
For buying stolen goods knowingly, you'd get a "minor misdemeanour", but it is still a crime, and so we can afford to be flexible when punishing the wealthy.
>>74523234
Why ask for more tax on something that has already been taxed? Comrade Sanders isn't even hiding anymore.
Leftists should all just be exiled to Cuba. They like communism so much, the should live/thrown in a communist country.
>>74527331
This is the dumbest shit i've heard. You realize this is just another excuse for government to get their grubby hands on more money.
Even the rich would eventually have to work in order to maintain their money. There is still such a thing as property tax. If your rich and a useless piece of shit your family won't be rich for long.
Just like America really. Previous generation worked their asses off and now we're just living in the decay of their work. If we ever want to make america great again we are going to have to work ourselves with what we are given unless we decide to go bankrupt.
>>74527886
Yeah, the analogy was a stretch, but I said I was exaggerating so he could understand it better.
And I'm not talking about people saving money. No fucking shit, people do it all the time. But when it's on the scale of BILLIONS of dollars being hoarded, yes. It is harmful to the economy. Try to contribute with facts because attacking my character (lol) and posting meme faces isn't gonna prove me wrong.
>taxed for dying
>>74528389
It applies in that his worth is still taxed. Whether it be a million or billion they'll still tax your inheritence. If the raise it for one they'll raise it for all. For "equality" after all.
>>74523674
>you still need to be taxed.
NWIJFNWPDIFNWD
>>74527945
The free market literally means free with respect to an absence of state intervention. Ie getting rich through taxation is literally the opposite of a free market. The state issues the law, so the question is whether the state OUGHT to issue progressive taxation, whereas when talking about free markets every INDIVIDUAL should act completely in self interest. The state should find a balance between the interests of ALL races constituents. That doesn't mean you get to tell all the poor people what is or isn't good for them, many poor people understand the importance and value of freedom because they're not all inbred retards who see someone in a Mercedes and wishes that person ill.
It's amazing you really struggle to grasp what are literally high school level concepts. Was your school to poor to teach you about Adam Smith or the Constitution? Or literally what government and taxes are meant to do.
>>74527514
No he's taxing the shit out of everyone.
>>74528530
Theres nothing but memes to fight such delusions that money being saved is somehow harmful to anyone period. You can not argue sanity to the insane.
>>74528530
It shouldn't matter how much money is being hoarded if they earned the money through a legitimate business. It is solely and wholey their's.
>>74523674
>Brazilian economics
The only reason I would ever support any of this is that it helps keep me employed as a tax accountant. That said, I still don't agree with it.
>>74527552
Agreed. Taxing is unamerican. Its why we fought the British in the first place. Leave socialism to the Eurocucks
>>74525775
friend do not be discouraged, you have a lot going for you and your family. if you instill your positive white beliefs and habits your children will live a better life. and if you yourself can forge a future better than your own foe your children, you have succeeded as a father. and this is up to you. and you k Ow you can create good children and you know you can be a father, unlike niggers.
>>74528738
Then you should know that it would never work.
>>74528735
Legitimate due to garbage laws they passed like laxer immigration and outsourcing.
It's like someone passing a law saying Anon with ID Pwi7XG4X can be raped legally and some fag decides to rape you in the ass.
It's "legitimate" and legal, but it doesn't make it right.
>>74527568
That kinda makes me excited
I want a communist to run so we can beat commie shit in and make them cry. Get them all out from the woodwork and in the open.
>>74523522
I'm poor but I don't blame my shortcomings on anyone else. I can work hard and earn enough to pull myself out of poverty just like others have
>>74528657
>The free market literally means free with respect to an absence of state intervention.
So then all those earnings off of slaves who only entered slavery through government legalization of slavery should be repaid to their ancestors?
Or are you saying that might makes right in that situation and they would have fallen into slavery without government intervention, in which case, isn't government a consolidation of public might, making any taxes fair and just?
Literally the only consistent part of your argument is a belief in the free market, but if you knew your history, you'd know America has NEVER had a free market.
Fuck off, retard.
>>74528961
What a fucking cuck.
It's okay to blame the immigrants and the rich who pulled them all here.
>>74523234
>inheritance tax
this is going too far. i am all for higher taxes for the wealthy but taxing inheritance is some fucking jew shit right there.
>>74528874
How fucking stupid are you?
>>74528874
There's a problem with your analogy. The process of raping me, legal or not, violates my Constitutional Rights for life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, as well as the local laws of my country which includes prosecution for people who assault, sexual and physical. Letting people move business production or allowing more people to come over to our country to work is not violating any clause in the Constitution or the local state laws.
>>74527071
That's a smart thing to do then
Why is everyone who is not Trump retarded?
>>74528931
Unless that commie wins, then we have civil war on our hands.
Which is probably the only way out of this anyway.
The only good red is a dead one.
>>74528738
So you're using your vote as a way to personally benefit rather than help the nation as a whole.
Off yourself you're as bad as bernouts.
>>74523234
As a non U.S citizen, it really frightens me that Americans end up electing Bernie. This would be the demise of the U.S as a global power and the whole Global economy would suffer.
The only hope is that China embraced capitalism and free markets so it pushes the Global economy forward but I don't see this happening.
Losing the U.S as a driver for economic growth would be a major loss to the Global economy.
>>74523234
ITT: retards unironically defending muh poor billionaires
>Our government is corrupt and owned by special interests
>Let's not infringe on these special interests' wealth though, after all they earned it and can do what they like!
I pray every night that Jesus Christ will smote the corporatists and Billionaire Internet Defence Force from the planet
>>74528292
I don't think you understand what taxes are for. You seem to think taxes are intended to act as some sort of "redistributive" balance, a sort of Robin Hood justice system.
Taxes are meant to pay for shared expenses. That's it. They're meant to pay for roads, military, fire stations, and nukes. Until socialism came about in Europe due to everyone being hungry from World War II, no one had ever even considered using taxes to "compensate" victims of wealth inequality. Do you know why? Because that is essentially theft. No one has the ability to distinguish what is and isn't "fair", we have laws and a legal system to punish people in explicit violations of WRITTEN laws, but when it comes to arbitrarily saying "yeah a billion is too much money" then that isn't a legal system that's totalitarian state-enforced theft. I mean people in Africa are starving to death while Americans have iPhones! No one NEEDS iPhones, lets just tax everyone and give it to Africa! After all centuries of colonialism by your distant relatives is probably the reason they're poor! Probably!
The logica that "hey 1 million is ok but 100 million is just too much" is totally arbitrary, because 100 years ago people would have said that about a million dollars. Why don't we all just have hay pennies and use telegrams! There's no real "need" for anything too fancy.
>>74528102
I see your point, but your analogy implies there is a constant, indefinite amount of money coming in everyday. But in a world where we have finite money and resources, hoarding such extreme amounts of money would only slow our economy and production. We can already see how we suffer from it today by looking at the U.S. economy. I would agree with you had we been born in such a fair system.
>>74523234
>reasonable, fair
>tax
Pick one and only one.
>>74527329
its not stealing
>>74529242
>What is the cyclical boom and bust of the market that eventually led to the great depression
The biggest lesson the world learned from the crash is that if you want to keep your country intact you'd better have SOMETHING for your citizens when they have nothing to look forward to in their lives except slowly starving to death
>>74528440
Not exactly. Your analogy is false because it isn't literally JUST the people who had these laws passed who are getting taxed more. By your logic all really rich people would be taxed under the ASSUMPTION that they "probably" benefitted too. So it'd be more like saying "hey a bunch of people stole bikes but we don't really no exactly who did, so we're just going to take one tire from everyone that has two bikes, because if you can afford two bikes it's probably because one was stolen"
>>74529299
yes
i much prefer the world of mad max rather than taxes
>>74528292
So theft is ok when you are stealing from someone more successful than you? How much bitterness and jealousy can you hold in your soul till it bursts?
>>74528369
>bringing up regional differences when I didn't mention them
>grasping this hard for straws when your argument is in shambles
You are as desperate for wisdom as you are for money. While it is true that certain regions are more expensive than others (something a child could tell you) it does not take anything away from the fact that to a richman 10k is the same as a 10k with a poor man. It is literally the same amount of money. The fact that you are arguing that 10 =/= 10 is beyond stupid, it's the kind of illogical that gives me hope, that if you can convince yourself to believe such an uninspired non-fact, then I am truly capable of doing anything I please in this world.
>>74527514
That image is making me so hard right now.
>>74529385
you tell me how its stealing
>>74529147
The constitution was meant only for whites. So sorry, Achmed, but if you read the Founding Father's diaries, they admit that the US is for whites and whites ONLY.
When the Constitution says "men", they are only talking about whites.
>>74529069
There is already an inheritance tax.
>>74523872
So he is basically a huge loser blaming everyone else if they are more successfull then he is. Not suprised he appeals so much to tumblr and reddit.
>>74523234
>families can leave all their wealth to their families
He needs to fire whoever is writing his tweets.
>>74523234
awful lot of fucking retards in this thread, America is doomed
>>74529468
ah well i guess since it exists, then it is acceptable, or even ideal
>>74523234
hilarious how the right is against handouts
but when it means giving kids millions of dollars for being born to the right person its ok
>>74529242
>pretending that the ultrarich just mind their own business
When they have that much money, materialism is no longer an object to them. That's when they start influencing politics and agendas with their immense wealth. That's a problem. If nothing else, we need to have high taxes on the rich to keep them from growing too powerful and seizing power from the majority into the hands of a select oligarchy
>>74529420
Every business owner who hires an immigrant or non-white knows they're paying a lower rate than they would if they hired a white, so yes, it's logical to tax them all.
>>74529545
yes
it is up to each individual to choose wisely whom they are born to and when
>>74529338
You dont deserve that American flag.
Taking from a dead mans family because you dont feel he deserves it, and enforcing that action by means up to and including lethal force is motherfucking theft.
Get the flying fuck out of America you communist shit.
>>74529468
>>74529525
yeah it's best to leave it alone. since it already exists, it must be morally right. no need to try to get it repealed.
GOOD FUCKING GOYIM, USA.
>>74529461
Trust me, I'm as white as they come. I'm sorry you cannot wrap your mind around a clearly correct viewpoint of our nation's wealth and how it should work.
Bernie drives a $350,000 European Supercar
What a fucking joke this scumbag is
Statistically impossible for him to become President yet he keeps sucking money from the average redditor's dads bank account, fucking leech
>>74529620
>taking
you still havent substantiated that
also:
>communism or capitalism
false dichotomy
>>74529454
im not going to argue with you. You're an idiot. Why don't they tax the fucking 5 dollars I give to a homeless guy. It's the same thing.
>>74529711
>tu quoque
>>74529740
>It's the same thing.
strawman
>You're an idiot.
ouch
>>74529637
So I guess you would be fine when these corporate masters you're defending make 99.999% of all profits and everyone makes minimum wage due to unfettered immigration.
You may be white, but you are as retarded as a nigger if you think importing shitskins to lower wages is what the founding fathers had in mind when they build the nation.
>>74529525
People are bitching and moaning about what he said, but he is just trying to get his supporters riled up.
There is nothing he can do to make sure they pay a tax if their money is in a corporation or an offshore account.
Reminder that tax is theft.
>>74528990
My logic is perfectly consistent, anyone who profited from slavery when it was legal gets to keep their profits. Once the state decided slavery wasn't legal then any profits from that point onward would be illegal.
The reason you're confused is because you think I'm disputing whether the state CAN tax rich people's inheritance, which of corse it can.
What I'm saying is it shouldn't. It shouldn't tax the rich more, nor should t impose inheritance tax, because taxation for the purpose of redistribution of wealth is state-sponsored theft.
Also your post looks like a thesaurus threw up on your keyboard, a word of advice: using exclusively big words that you haven't entirely grasped the meaning of does not make your argument sound more logically coherent.
>>74529746
Start speaking English or start building that wall, muchacho
>taxing inheritance
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
>>74529806
>There is nothing he can do to make sure they pay a tax if their money is in a corporation or an offshore account.
bull
the laws simply need teeth, or to be made
>>74529801
I am completely fine with it. Those who want to make something of themselves can open up their own business and make more than the minimum wage, go through college for a degree for a better job, or get specialized training to do jobs that dindus cant. There are many, many ways to make money in this world. Those billionaires just got a head start and want to make more money, like everyone else. There is nothing inherently wrong with that.
>>74529624
It's tax free up to about 5million with a top rate of 40%. Again and again, he is just pandering to his followers and trying to get them riled up.
>>74529235
>so lets have government handle this for us!!
newfie faggot detected
enjoy your statism, leaf
>>74529712
What the fuck else would be taking money from someone, without recourse because them having it hurts your feelings, be?
How is it not stealing? Because Mr. Goldberg at IRS does it and not Tyrone Gibbs, doesnt make it not literally the same fucking thing.
You are punishing a family because someone within that family earned something you dont have. You are taking the money from them by force. They have no choice in the matter.
Thats fucking theft you leftist pinko faggot shit. You deserve to die.
>>74529879
>the state CAN tax rich people's inheritance, which of corse it can.
I'm glad you agree with me.
Is it morally right for us to tax the wealthy who benefited from immigration?
I say yes. So let's tax them.
>>74529920
Tell me how he is going to get them to pay?
Is he going to tax a legal entity every time someone dies? Is he going to force foreign governments to show their accounts? Is he going to just tax them based on their average life earnings?
>>74528657
His school was probable unionized and commie teachers refuse to teach Adam Smith.
Not that cucked kids would care much anyways, they are too busy with their smartphones being fed leftist crap.
>>74529592
Coming from someone who clearly has never spent any time around the ultra rich and literally thinks they have secretive meetings planning world domination.
99% of people with a net worth above 100MM live exceedingly boring lives and spend most of their time trying to find some sort of personal meaning and happiness, the absence of desire for material goods opens the mind to thoughts of introspection and existentialism. Only the poor experience true ambition and greed.
>>74529800
>strawman
no it's not. taxing money being willfully given to someone who you want to have it.
Anyone going to make a new thread since so many retards want to give their opinion on tax law and show their stupidity?
>>74530079
The same wealthy people who's invested in commercial enterprises to produce services and goods you buy, use, and depend on?
If they have benefited from "immigration" so have you.
Are you willing to have massive amounts of your money taken from your family when you die?
Youre just as guilty of this """"""""crime""""""" as they are, you insufferable leftist cunt.
>>74530044
>You are punishing a family because someone within that family earned something you dont have.
The money they "earned" is blood money.
Immigration has caused large spikes in murder and rape and terrorism.
We will take control of the government and seize their money eventually whether you like it or not.
>>74529599
Yes but the proposed taxes affect rich people that *gasp* don't hire people. Believe it or not. My grandfather made all of his money patenting mag-lev trains, and before you dismiss me saying these laws wouldn't affect me, the value of his patent 40 years later leaves me standing to personally inherit at least 100MM. He didn't hire any illegal immigrants, so why should I be taxed more?
>>74529374
People that don't bother saving money deserve to not have any when they're older. Taxes aren't meant to take care of you after you gambled all your money away. That's what churches and charities are for.
>>74530355
>The same wealthy people who's invested in commercial enterprises to produce services and goods you buy, use, and depend on?
Hey, dumbass. If these people suddenly closed down shop, they can be easily replaced. They aren't needed, nor are they as important as you think.
>>74530365
I sincerely and honestly, with all that I am, look forward to killing you and your kind.
>>74530355
>If they have benefited from "immigration" so have you.
LOL... no...
Without immigration, the same products would still be made. The only difference is that the profit margins would shrink and the rich would be saying it's a holocaust that they can't import skilled workers for minimum wage.
>>74529712
Nice argument there, resorting to Clinton style "what is taking?". If expect nothing more than semantic arguments from a left wing closet communist shill.
>>74530444
So youre going to run every them out, shut them down.
And then what? Replace them, and then run those out?
A constant cycle of leeching and backstabbing. You are what you hate.
And you deserve death.
>>74528699
Well you could use logic or evidence, but I guess that would be too hard for you? I'm open to learn if you know something I don't. I only think the way I do because I've read several different articles on the subject, more reliable than a stranger calling me out on an imageboard.
Please go ahead, I'm sincerely asking you to enlighten me.
>>74530079
Too bad you live in a democracy and no ones taking those pamphlets you picked up at your College campus' cafe. Maybe next year comrade!
>>74530371
>Yes but the proposed taxes affect rich people that *gasp* don't hire people
Don't lie, boy.
He licensed his patents to corporations. Royalty fees are based on total sales/profit, so you did benefit from immigration, since the licensees made probably hired immigrants and made more money.
>>74529192
Jim Webb proposed the same thing, and cited how much they pay people to reduce their taxes, showing that if you lower the taxes, it makes it both, cheaper for the person who is taxed, and also results in much more revenue for the government.
>>74530552
>And then what? Replace them, and then run those out?
No, I would steal all their wealth and use it to warn any future entrepreneurs not to pull the same crap or they will have all their fortune stolen as well.
>>74530473
And how will you do that?
More than half of millennials don't believe in Capitalism.
>>74530666
He licensed them to Japanese corporations you massive fucking cunt. He actually brought money INTO America. In fact he was an immigrant himself from Poland who came to America during WWII because back then Americans knew to appreciate Engineers, invented something and sold it to the Japanese for hundreds millions.
And you know what he did? He paid taxes on those hundreds of millions. Taxes that will feed you and your welfare eating children.
But that's not enough for you, it's not enough that he fought the Nazis, and brought money to America, and lived a decent life. Nope, you need another slice of that fucking pie because you can't invent shit.
>>74530365
Out of curiousity, by your very same logic will you be paying a gender tax for being supported by the "patriarchy"? Because that is literally the logic of your argument. Everyone who has X benefitted somehow, directly or not, from Y, therefore they should all pay a tax.
>>74530833
With weapons you miserable communist shit.
>>74529897
>latin
>beaner
ok
>>74530044
lets see if this gets through to you:
where did he get it?
>>74530120
you make paying the more comfortable option of the two
by whatever means
if they dont do business in the usa, then you apply the pressure indirectly to where they do do business
they arent operating on the moon
>>74530666
You know what bothers me the most though? Is you people just won't admit it's because your jealous. See I could empathise with that, if you just admitted that it's a bit upsetting that some people are born with more money than you, and that it gets your worked up and you think it's unfair, then that's fine. We've all felt that way about one thing or another, dick size, height, whatever. But no. It's the insistence that it's for the sake of "justice" or the "exploited", it's that insistence that you're not jealous, even as you make it more and more clear how much rage you have towards the rich, that I find so abhorrent.
>>74530549
your "argument" was a house of cards
I collapsed it
that you cant see that is immaterial
>>74530833
Half? More like 90%
What did we do wrong that cultural marxism will eventually beat us?
>>74531246
The delusion is strong with this one.
>>74531419
ok ok ok, thats just an insult
can you not engage instead of dodge and dismiss?
>>74531331
So let me get this straight: you collapsed my argument, but it doesn't matter whether I realise it. So what you argue with people to prove to yourself you're right? That is the most delusional thing I've ever heard.
I can literally visualise you walking away from arguments by standing up and announcing that you've "collapsed" their "house of cards" and that it was "immaterial" whether they realised it, then turning around and just walking away.
Jeez, what a sperglord seriously.
>>74531246
Where did who get what? The imaginary boogeyman with all the jew golds? I dont care to venture into your delusional mind.
Millions of people earn money a million different ways. Unless you have an actual crime with actual victims to put forth, WHO THE FUCK CARES WHAT OTHERS DO?
>>74530989
So you admit your grandpa sold to a foreign firm who probably made 100x what they bought from your grandpa.
Why couldn't he sell it to an American company? That way, he gets the money and the money made from the technology stays within the US.
>>74531143
Revolution isn't happening. Deal with it, you corporate cocksucker.
>>74531285
lel... No, I'm not jealous. I'm arguing from a point of rational economics. Immigration isn't good for the middle class and the wealthy are the primary advocates for immigration.
It's only right that they pay for the damage they've caused.
The rich want to reap all the benefits of immigration (Lower wages) and want to cop-out at dealing with the consequences of it. They disgust me.
>>74531616
debates are never about convincing the opponent
and, one more time:
"lets see if this gets through to you:
where did he get it?"
>>74531638
>Where did who get what?
the "billionaire" we are speaking of, about taxing at death
>Unless you have an actual crime with actual victims to put forth,
>everything that is now a crime, has always >been a crime, and everything that is now >legal, has always been legal
please
>>74531246
What really keeps me warm at night is knowing that even though we're both going to walk away from this thread thinking we're right, and only being more convinced in our belief. At the end of the day I'm going to wake up in a world where rich people get richer, where stock markets run, where corporations move like clockwork, and America will continue creating the richest group of individuals at an astonishing rate, and that I will feel overwhelming pride and joy every time I open the Wall Street Journal.
Whereas you will wake up in a world you see as bitter, cynical, rife with injustice and inequality, where both presidential candidates are either billionaires or owned by billionaires, and you're view of reality will be one of suffering.
So in the end does it matter who is right? The world will always be modelled in the image I wish to live in.
>>74531539
No one has forced companies not to leave so how are you going to do it now?
Even if he is POTUS he can't force congress to fall in line.
>>74531909
>t is knowing that even though we're both going to walk away from this thread thinking we're right, and only being
congrats, youre a psychopath
yeah keep the faith
pat yourself on the back
>>74531911
they cannot leave the earth
>>74531716
Youre right. There will never be a communist revolution. Your delusions barely make it past your own mouth.
For a people who insist "corporations arent people" you sure have a hard time differentiating between stealing from a corporation and stealing from a family.
>>74531870
The "billionaire" is a figment of your delusion. Point to an actual person whos done actual wrong, and then your case has merit. Im not going to argure with you what a hypothetical person has and hasnt done. You are fucking insane.
