Why do people oppose common sense gun laws?
>inb4 muh second ammendment
that was written in the fucking 1700s on horseback with fucking featherpens. they were talking about muskets and a well regulated militia. obviously they didnt foresee 2016 having automatic and nuclear weapons. where do you draw the line in the whole bearing arms thing? should you be allowed to carry grenades? should people be allowed to have nukes?
NOT AN ARGUMENT
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i'm just here for the white booty
I'm just here for the inevitable pic of her with her Asian bf
>>74508850
I'm going to need a name on that pic.
Because it isn't common sense
>I'm going to call my opinion "common sense" so if you disagree with me it seems like you have no common sense
SHALL
>>74508850
i agree.
This is also why I think that freedoms should only apply to landowning christian white men.
Everyone else should be a slave or a wife.
That's what they meant in the 1700s anyway.
I would rape her
>>74508850
The second anendment allowed people to have warships with cannons, there were many precedents.
Those same cannons are illegal under your communist mandates.
>>74508850
So by your logic, the First Amendment should not apply to radio, television, or the Internet because the Founding Fathers did not foresee those either.
If its different, please tell me how, without resorting to "guns kill people" Protip: You can't
>>74508850
News flash... you CAN carry a grenade. You can also own a fully functioning tank complete with all ammo (the only regulated thing not available would be its guidance system)
I should be able to own anything the government can own. Why you ask? Because a well regulated militia wasnt meant to keep the indians and British in check. It was meant to keep the government in check.
Do not forget that Jefferson said that any country who does not have a regular uprising and revolution will slowly rot under its own weight. You were MEANT to take up arms against an oppressive government that does not represent you and your interests. Its your duty as an American citizen
>>74508850
>they didnt foresee 2016 having automatic
Machine guns had been around 57 years when the revolutionary war started.
>>74508850
10/10 b8 friend-o.
>that was written in the fucking 1700s on horseback with fucking featherpens
so was the 1st Amendment. do you think freedom of speech only applies to pen and paper?
> they were talking about muskets and a well regulated militia.
they were talking about arms. if they only meant the militia to have muskets they would have said muskets.
>pic related
counts as arms
>where do you draw the line in the whole bearing arms thing? should you be allowed to carry grenades? should people be allowed to have nukes?
explosives are not "Arms" they are "ordinance" even though the Founding Fathers were supportive of citizens having their own warships. explosives are indiscriminate and unpredictable
>>74508850
The model is the Glorious Revolution. The moron who brought that on himself used the phrase "common sense" in his attempt to disarm the English public through formalizing militias.
>>74508850
We the people are the rightful creator of laws. We the people know that to allow the government exclusive use of weapons, we lose that power to create laws. Or to do anything else. The citizens are the masters, and as such the citizenry will decide whether the GOVERNMENT should be allowed guns.
>>74509044
NOT
>>74509102
>founding fathers
>christian
There was a rifle that shot 16 balls in 6 seconds in 1777. It was too expensive for our military. Every person was encouraged then and now to have equal fire power to their gov.
>>74509388
BE
her name is stpeach, she streams on twitch tv. she dated an asian guy for years, but he beat her because her chat made fun of his penis or something and they broke up
>>74508850
Hello, a friendly reminder from a Brit.
Would you like to be like us?
>>74508850
>Muskets
And cannons and puckle-guns and all manner of future weaponry in the private ownership of the individual.
>Grenades
Destructive Devices, only require a $200 tax stamp per device.
>Nukes
Tools of state.
>>74508850
Notice buzzword
define common sense
>>74509558
Not to mention privately owned fucking warships
>>74508850
Obviously this is a troll
>>74508850
we already have common sense gun laws. Have you ever tried to buy one?
>>74508850
>posting a racemixer who belongs in the gas chambers
>Right to bear arms doesn't apply to automatics!
>Freedom of speech applies to TV, radio, and internet!
Left Logic
>>74508850
>>74509352
Ordinance equals weapons equals arms by definition.
>>74509388
Infringed
>>74508986
stpeach
>>74508850
there is no such thing
you give finger and he takes the whole hand
>>74508850
Plenty of techonolgical innovations even in those days, heck the common man could and still can own artillery pieces.
>>74509429
The Puckle Gun was in production as early as 1718. Repeating arms had been around since the mid 1500's. Its not that machine guns didnt exist, but more to the point, why buy a Puckle Gun when for the same price a 24LB cannon can kill 3 times the people... AND I can buy 2 of them.
We are talking about people who were jerking off to the Kentucky Long Rifle because they could now accurately target officers. If you handed Washington an M4 or AK101 he would nut in his britches and instantly declare every citizen should have 3
>>74508850
Unless you know what a mag flip, a dust cover, a barrel shroud, and a gas pushrod are, you should have no say in the control of firearms.
>>74509749
not in a military sense
>>74509731
>Freedom of speech only applies lefty approved speech, everything else is hate speech and your not free to speak it
Left Logic
Fix'd that for you.
OP here. Its common sense because it has been shown to work in various other countries like australia.
>>74508850
Shit thread, but nice pic. Would love to wreck that little slut's ass all night long.
Its a twitch slut, nothing of value
>>74509896
>be Aus
>walk outside
>get stabbed
Daily reminder that there was a national gun registry from 1792 until the civil war.
>>74509896
For every piece of info you can come up with that shows gun control works, I can show you 2 that says extremely high gun ownership rates means extremely low rates of homicide and personal crimes.
However Jefferson also has another quote
Those who give up freedom for security deserve neither.
In short, you do not give up your freedoms, even for a perceived "greater good". America was founded on the rights and freedoms of the individual, not society as a whole
>>74508850
HNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
>>74509796
Do you seriously think that once we make some little changes to the gun laws and add some regulation that we are going to continue moving further and further onto more regulations and eventually make all weapons, even shit like hunting knives illegal? Please stop giving conspiracy theories and give a decent logical argument.
>>74510065
thats funny because firearms didnt have mandatory serial numbers until the 60s
>common sense gun laws
>Majority of Americans oppose.
find a new buzz word
>>74509896
And they are losing their country to chinese, getting home invaded by abbos, and their government abuses the heck out of australians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lP3wjxJwlk&index=44&list=WL
>>74510183
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>>74508850
>allowed
You're a cuck and/or a bad troll.
>>74510196
Before the civil war, making a firearm that worked was pretty difficult so they didn't really need serial numbers.
>>74510183
That is EXACTLY what happens.
Look no further than the UK and their safety tip kitchen knives.
There is no such thing as a slippery slope. Its a fucking cliff 3 feet past the weeds
>>74508850
>Why do people oppose common sense laws against murdering babies?
>Why do people oppose common sense laws for the protection of families and marriage?
>Why do people oppose common sense laws defining bathrooms by anatomical sex?
Just because you call something "common sense" doesn't actually make your argument valid, OP.
>>74510183
thats exactly what happene to the uk you retard
>>74510304
we had organized firearm manufacturing before the civil war
>>74509283
These leftists want to kill the 1st as well, remember. Trying to use logic against a Jewish puppet is dangerous. They're immune to such attacks.
>>74508850
Common sense. Written by people who have never purchased or owned guns. By people who don't even know the parts and functions of guns. Hard to be common sense when you're scared of how something looks...
>>74509331
>>74509352
Pucklemind
>>74508850
>>inb4 muh second ammendment
Muh second amendment.
>that was written in the fucking 1700s
Being old means it no longer applies?
>on horseback with fucking featherpens. they were talking about muskets and a well regulated militia. obviously they didnt foresee 2016 having automatic and nuclear weapons.
Then they would have said that in the document. But they didn't. They specifically left it open to interpretation. Only a fool would believe weapon technology wouldn't advance, and a bigger fool would believe that just because it's not advanced, it's no longer useful. Muskets--and bows and arrow--are still lethal weapons
>where do you draw the line in the whole bearing arms thing?
That is up to the Supreme Court, which has consistently broadened the meaning over time. An individual right to bear arms was only affirmed by the Court in 2008? And that only in 2010 they ruled that the second amendment applies to State governments as well, not just the Federal government?
>should you be allowed to carry grenades? should people be allowed to have nukes?
"In Caetano v. Massachusetts (2016), the Supreme Court reiterated its earlier rulings that "the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding" and that its protection is not limited to "only those weapons useful in warfare".[15]"
>>74508850
>inb4 muh second ammendment
There is no inb4 2nd Admt. That is the reason. We have the natural, God-given right to possess any and all arms. The 2nd Amendment defends that right, and any laws which infringe upon it are unconstitutional. Period.
>>74508850
The problem is blacks, not guns
>>74509604
We really need to stop responding to these bait threads. They drop obvious bait that is guaranteed to get replies until it autosages and they barely have to lift a finger to keep them going. OP will never leave a valid counter argument. Common sense to a anti is the police control all the guns by taking yours away.
>>74510451
Sure, but like I said, they were difficult to make. They were also relatively expensive for the average person. You could easily keep track of how many were made who owned them.
>>74509748
He's tried and failed several times. Kindly fuck off.
>>74509014
extremely underrated
>>74510593
![Happy-Frog-Meme-19[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3ThVStH.jpg "Happy-Frog-Meme-19[1].jpg")
>>74508850
>Why do people oppose common sense gun laws?
Nobody does, that is a meme. The problem is all the common sense regs were already on the books when the school shooting epidemic started. Laws can't change human nature or turn the clock back on existing technology. Most proposed regulations would be extreme measures against the rights of citizens that not only stigmatize the mentally ill from pursuing treatment, but would not have stopped any of the shootings in question. It is the consummate example of "feel-good" legislation.
>>74510470
This
>>74508850
Brazil has severes gun restriction laws. Need to say anything else?
>>74510183
>gun control won't be a slippery slope!
>Lol pls ignore every western European country and Australia ;)
>Lol the niggers that commit almost all US gun crime will totally obey the law, the only reason they're violent stupid shit stains is guns!
t. American who sold a rifle to a stranger in a parking lot 1 hour ago
>>74510183
>do you seriously think bringing up something that has already happened multiple times in every leftist-infected nation wanting to ban weapons really is going to happen again?
>it's 2016 I can't even
Look, kid... you're trying. Check back with Reddit, study those /pol/ invasion guides you faggots keep writing, and keep trying. One day you might even be as good as Canada!
yes to everything but nukes because the American people are supposed to be able to effectively rebel against their government..
>>74508850
They actually had rifles hand guns that could fire many rounders per minute. One company even wrote a letter to the president asking if he could have a cannon on his ship to fend off raiders and it was ok'd because the second amendment applied to ALL firearms, everything the army could have, the people could have
>>74508850
There are no common sense gun laws.
![Girandoni_Air_Rifle[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hUmNj2l.jpg "Girandoni_Air_Rifle[1].jpg")
>>74508850
Girandoni Air Rifle, pic related, was made prior to the constitution, and used by the Austrian army.Lewis and Clark used it on their expedition.
It can fire 30 bullets in rapid succession, there's no smoke, and no powder.
Most guns these days, owned by civilians (Handguns/hunting rifles/shotguns) hold 30 or less bullets.
They knew what guns were like and where they were going.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311
And by law, all men 17 to 45 are in a militia.
>>74508850
A line has already been drawn. The thing is they want to bring the line back further and further.
Wasn't the idea that an armed population couldn't be oppressed by government or invading country's?
>>74510720
*claps*
>>74510953
Why draw the line at nukes? The government has them. They could be necessary in overthrowing tyranny. Nuclear arms are arms.
>>74510842
pffft casual.
Come on ameritards
ban guns
see how it went for LatinAmerica
>>74509551
>from a Brit.
>Would you like to be like us?
hey guys, you wanna burn your country to the ground?
>>74511282
Ittl never happen pedro. Just stay on your side of the wall.
>>74511017
>a "common sense" gun law written by someone with no firearms knowledge to make retarded soccermoms cunts tingle and billionaire sociopaths more secure in their towers
>"grassroots" gun control movements funded by billion dollar corporations
>You're "protectin da chillin" by banning guns but it should celebrated when they decide to be the other sex and sterilize themselves.
I WANT OFF THIS RIDE!!!!!
>>74508850
>Why do people oppose common sense gun laws?
Because they aren't "common sense"
> they were talking about muskets and a well regulated militia
>I can't read
Fixed
Privately owned warships were not uncommon and that was the most powerful weapon of war of the era
There was also multi shot muskets capable of shooting 15+ rounds without reload and some of the founders were huge fans of this technology.
If you went back and took an AR -15 and the ability to produce them in large numbers as well as the ammo for them (technology from the late 50s btw) they would yell "take our fucking money" and proceed to encourage that every American own one.
>>74509239
>Those same cannons are illegal under your communist mandates.
We can own artillery fully armed tanks mortars rocket launchers and grenade launchers.
One just has to comply with the NFA process
>>74510593
>>74510700
whered u get these pics
>>74512124
>one year and thousands of dollars
Land of the free...
>>74508850
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>74512192
She is lisa vannatte aka stpeachy.
Don't mention it.
>>74510316
y-yes pls
>>74512476
You can't amend over the Bill of Rights. First 10 rights are immortal.
>>74512476
agree with most of this
unfortunately this is america and the average person is retarded. you can imagine my pain having moved to texas a couple years ago from california. everyone here is a gun nut. i traveled through kentucky and tennessee and some other conservative southern states and a lot of the towns were filled with people with confederate flags on their cars and trump stickers. i would have confronted them but these are the kinds of people with guns so i didnt want to get shot.
>>74512476
Longer than the entire bill of rights combined.
Liberalism is a mental illness.
>>74512865
Oh look a california progressive spreading his cancer to other states.
>>74512476
This would cause a civil war.
If our forefathers had M240Bs, you can bet your smelly ass they would want one in the hands of every man, woman and child.
>>74513145
good. time for racist southern gun nuts to get btfo again once and for all
>>74512865
>Agree with most of this
How? Every bit of it is retarded.
>Amend out the Bill of Rights
>Ban all firearm production and sales until 2/3rds of all guns are destroyed
>ACA being the judgement of anyone
>4% income tax punishment for exercising your rights
>10% if you live in the south because less than 3% of Southerners 200 years ago had slaves
>A quarter million dollar punishment per gun
>GPS trackers on all guns
>Make constitutionally legal groups terrorist organizations because they hurt your feelings by saying they like to have rights
>Undercover agents to sting anyone at any time
>1 year for 100 round
>literally seize every firearm in America except old fucking guns
Fuck you commie, I hope you get raped by illegals and refugees. I hope they rape your child too as they make you smile and say "Thank God there's no guns here!"
>>74508850
>common sense gun laws
What are they? Are they actually common sense what laws are being proposed, would they actually do anything...
Or are you just parroting some trash regressive faggot talking point to get replies on an anonymous message board
>>74508850
>common sense
>gun laws
Pick one.
>>74513327
Kek. I live in the bay area in northern california. People for gun control are pussies and nogunz. Their voice will mean nothing.
>>74513754
If you need to preface your proposal with "Common sense" or any positive term
It most likely isn't what you proclaim it to be.
>>74508850
nobody opposes common sense gun laws like:
> every free male between 16 and 45 is a member of the militia and is required to keep a firearm of a type in common use in the day, and a supply of ammunition and other materiel suitable for deployment as a part of the militia.
~paraphrasing the Militia Act of 1798 as revised by the Dick act of 1906 and periodic reviews every 10 years ever since.
that is just common sense.
but what YOU fags call "common sense gun laws" are draconian restrictions designed to slowly erode the 2nd amendment's protections of our natural and inalienable rights to self defense
the end game is the total confiscation of all privately held firearms, leaving only those who receive special dispensation from the govt capable of defending themselves against criminals, and yes, the over-reaching federal government.
confiscation is the stated goal, and if you try to deny it, or No True Scotsman it, youre just a liar.
thats why ill never register my guns.
the govt will never know how many or what types of guns i have, or where they are kept.
i make my own ammunition so you cant stop me from having ammo either.
this is america, not some shitty eurotrash shithole or some banana republic, we wont give up our arms, we wont give up our rights and you can suck a dick.
thats why your "common sense gun laws" are rejected.
nobody trusts lefties except retards and morons.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/25/ex-calif-state-sen-leeland-yee-gun-control-champion-heading-to-prison-for-weapons-trafficking/
california's biggest gun grabber, state senator and leftist posterboy for The Brady Campaign got caught smuggling automatic weaponjs and ROCKET LAUNCHERS for the triad (chinese organized crime) buying them from ABU SAYYF (al quaeda linked mislamo-marxist butchers in the phillipines) and smuggling them (with the help of the triads) to the US so they could be sold to STREET GANGS and anyone else
>>74508850
Mexico has "common sense" guns laws. Just look at how well it's working out for them.
>>74508850
>Common sense
>Doesn't read the constitution
> they were talking about muskets and a well regulated militia. obviously they didnt foresee 2016 having automatic and nuclear weapons
Actually automatic weapons were written about extensively during the period. Let's not forget the advent of the pickle gun, which was a crank machine gun that anyone could have ordered before the constitution was even written. The very notion that you are willing to sacrifice your freedoms in exchange for a false sense of security. And to even have the balls, to impose your self-righteousness over your fellow man without considering his inalienable rights; makes me ashamed to call you my countryman. The fact that I have to live on the same soil as freedom hating bastards like you, literally makes me sick to my stomach.
Get fucked, if I can't buy guns because of assholes like you. I'm just going to buy them illegally and you can't do shit about it.
Why do people oppose common sense speech laws?
>inb4 muh first amendment
that was written in the fucking 1700s on horseback with fucking featherpens. they were talking about newspapers and the pony express. obviously they didnt foresee 2016 having televeision and the internet. where do you draw the line in the whole freedom of speech thing? should you be allowed to say anything you want? should people be allowed to insult other races or genders?
>>74508850
because every faggot that has used the phrase "common sense gun laws" has tried to take are guns away.
It's like your uncle said "let me give you a back rub", then "let me rub your feet", then "let me rub your thighs", then "just show me yours, its not weird I have one too"
GO SHOVE A DICK IN YOUR ASS FAGGOT
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>74509834
True Dat.
preach on brother.
Andy Jackson would be handing out AR15's as party favours on Big Block Of Cheese Day
>>74512401
Destructive device tax stamp is $200 and the NFA wait time is 6 months to a year.
And considering we are the only nation that anyone can legally own these things yes land of the free indeed.
>>74509896
Bullshit. Homicide trends are roughly the same across all developed countries over the past several decades regardless of gun laws. The same is true for gun homicide as well. There is no correlation between laws to restrict gun ownership and homicide rates.
>>74510183
This is what happens in every other country to outlaw guns. They move onto the next scary looking object because the state requires a scapegoat for crime and objects are better scapegoats than people.
>>74512865
>I want to outlaw all things I find scary with no rational basis
>>74513327
Oppose guns but support war. Nice.
>>74514123
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311
That law has been revisited and upheld, the latest being 1993.
So if anyone tries to say "It's outdated and forgotten!" Tell them to fuck themselves.
A friendly reminder to everyone in this thread. The left does not oppose guns. They might have some useful idiots whom they convince that guns are scary, but the goal of the left is to remove all means of effective self defense. I'm not talking about defense against a tyrannical state or armed uprisings — that is mostly fantasy. I'm talking about defense from every day criminals. If someone breaks into your house intending to do you harm, the left wants you to have no recourse.
>>74514415
I think he is ironically pointing out that tons of bureaucratic red tape for the purchase of an automatic firearm is unnecessary and contradictory to the idea of "freedom" as a whole.
I actually bought my both AR15 and Nigger Tec 9 (fully automatic) from some guy who was selling them out of his car. Fuck paying taxes and letting some bureaucrat tell me what I can and can't own.
>"""""common sense""""" gun laws
Fug off gun grabber gommie
>>74508850
>they were talking about muskets
Common sense dictates that the amendment means the citizens have the right to bear the same level of arms as the state. Not the same level of arms as the state had in 1789.
>>74512865
Go back to California, Texas doesn't want you. I moved from MA to TX years ago and it's been a godsend. If you aren't going to act like a Texan, work hard like a Texan, and love our guns and culture get the fuck out and contain your filthy liberal ideas.
>>74508850
They were actually talking about the people having the same arms as the militaries they might fight against, so really we should be able to buy nuclear weapons tanks, jets, missiles and drones, etc,
Because what our founding fathers did NOT intend, is for the US to have a standing army.
>>74508850
You are lucky to still have that right to bear arms.
>We didn't have the rights to own a gun ever in Australia, it was just made illegal to own unless you had a license and a purpose for use in 1996 after 30+ people were killed at a cafe in Tasmania
>>74508850
Putting "common sense" before 'gun control' doesn't make it so.
It's just like when you faggots put "democratic" in front of the word socialism.
>>74512865
As a californian i urge you to come back and stop fucking up other states
This is the designated liberal containment state.
>>74508850
>>74515243
>we should be able to buy nuclear weapons tanks, jets, missiles and drones, etc
You can buy tanks, jets, and drones if you have sufficient funds. You cannot buy nuclear weapons or missiles, however, because those are explosives which do indiscriminate damage. Explosives and firearms are and should be considered separately.
>>74514760
>I think he is ironically pointing out that tons of bureaucratic red tape for the purchase of an automatic firearm is unnecessary and contradictory to the idea of "freedom" as a whole.
No I'm not.
I was pointing out that you aren't spreading truthful information.
The NFA process isn't thousands of dollars it is 200$
That being said it will be a good day when it is rightfully struck down as being worse than any form of poll tax which were universally ruled unconstitutional.
The only barriers that should exist to obtaining whatever arms one wants is their checkbook and finding someone willing to sell it to them.
>>74515605
Explosives are 100% legal
>>74515488
>people vote for socialism
>not democratic
>>74515687
Buying a legal NFA full auto does indeed require thousands of dollars
>>74514760
Party van inbound
>>74515824
Due to the cost of the firearm, not really the paperwork and tax stamp.
>>74508850
Why do people oppose common sense cock sucking? it works in other parts of the world.
>>74514760
Sir can you please inform us of the locations of all dogs on your property? We need to know so we can shoot them more effectively.
>>74515747
The government regulates explosives. Nuclear weapons and missiles, for example, are not banned; government permission to manufacture, purchase, or own is required.
It is important to distinguish between something being theoretically legal and being able to legally acquire something without express permission from government.
>>74508850
>Why do people oppose common sense gun laws?
https://corkskeptics.org/2011/05/03/the-common-sense-fallacy/
>>74512865
Kill yourself locust , don't move somewhere and export your faggotry you ruined California why ruin Texas fuck I hate California.
T.jewyorker.
>>74515243
>we should be able to buy nuclear weapons tanks, jets, missiles and drones, etc.
weapon vs cost
Abrams tank = $2.39 million
F-22 Raptor = $339 million
Tomahawk cruise missile = $1.41 million
Assuming you as a citizen can raise the money to buy these weapons, you should be able too.
If you can follow the law and create that kind of disposable wealth, you are likely smart enough and sane enough to be trusted with them.
No nigger is going to buy a tank to rob a liquor store.
>>74512865
>unfortunately this is america and the average person is retarded.
how to spot a libshit in 1 sentence or less
>>74515824
Not because of the NFA(the 86 closing of the registry is a separate law)
That's like saying a Lamborghini cost hundreds of thousands of dollars i need one.
If you're suggesting that the non existing of a subsidizing of the purchase of arms is an infringement on ones freedom you're using Marxist rhetoric
>>74508850
Hitler took all guns and look how that tunred out.
>>74515747
> explosives are legal
No, they are not.
explosives are tightly regulated, for good reason.
a gun has a purpose, to move a small mass of lead in as straight a line as possible at the highest velocities possible so you can make holes in your target
explosives have only one purpose too, to blow shit up.
you cant even buy goddamned fire crackers in most states these days, but NO STATE allows the unrestricted ownership of explosives.
you are a retard.
My common sense tells me that the Second Amendment still applies.
Common sense is a broad term, and you're only using it as a buzzword to make your opponents look silly/stupid.
>>74508850
>le founding fathers would never have been able to predict repeating firearms meme
>>74516084
Explosives for non commercial use requires no tax stamps
Hence why you can buy tannerite online
>>74516144
>implying poor niggers and spics don't regularly win the lottery
>>74515747
You might want to have a quick word with your local BATF&E agent.
>>74516217
The reason full autos are so expensive is because of the nfa registry. When they closed the registry no new full autos are allowed to be registered.
If the nfa registry was opened again most full auto versions of guns would only cost slightly more than the semi auto versions.
>>74516253
They technically are legal in the sense that they are not completely outlawed. Good luck getting permission to manufacture or own powerful explosives without a government contract, though.
>>74516313
>Hence why you can buy tannerite online
Um. . .
>In the United States, ATF regulations allow the two components to be legally purchased, since neither one is an explosive by itself.[5] However, the mixture is an explosive once mixed, and cannot be transported in that form without following strict regulations including insurance, packaging, and signage on the vehicle. Various regulations also govern the storage of unmixed Tannerite.
>>74516253
You have no idea what you're talking about.
You should probably stop.
>>74516253
>No, they are not.
Yes they are
You an buy explosives and have them delivered to your door step
You can buy mortars rockets tank shells artillery shells grenades etc with a $200 tax stamp and no criminal record
>>74508850
>common sense gun laws
Anymore buzzwords? Cannot be common sense if people are uninformed.
>>74516385
>The reason full autos are so expensive is because of the nfa registry
The 86 closing of the registry is a separate law from the NFA .
Before this full auto weapons were only marginally more expensive than non full auto
>>74515687
Fucking sexy SCAR, freedombro.
>>74513327
I think with wide spread communication and literacy most people would defect and back the south so youd be left with limp wristed coke glass lenses wearing leftists that would deficate themselves as you handed them a firearm.
>>74515919
> artificially constricting the market supply and laying a fat impost on every sale unit produced doesnt drive up prices...
> totally not the NFA's fault i cant buy a thompson sub machine gun for under $700 (inflation adjusted) at the local hardware store.
suck a choad dumbass.
the NFA is retarded.
>>74516313
You can buy Tannerite online because you are buying two separate compounds, neither of which are explosive by itself. I can make a bomb out of household cleaning products, but that doesn't make the transport or use of the bomb I manufacture automatically legal.
>>74508850
We need Canadian gun laws
>>74516495
Making tannerite is pouring one pre measured powder into another an stirring them together and you can have them delivered to your doorstep
>>74516707
Move to Canada then, you fucking cuck.
>>74508850
For the same reason people oppose common sense executions.
>>74516784
You can buy gasoline and fertilizer as well but once you mix them, just like tannerite, you are no longer in the realm of do whatever you want.
>>74516205
The best part is they think they're smarter than everyone else. God fucking hate liberals.
>>74516144
And on the topic of nuclear weapons I believe they should be in the hands of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission not the military's hands.
We trust our government with the power to wipe out human civilization and that is just plain wrong.
>>74516951
For non commercial purposes you can do whatever you want on site.
>>74508850
Common sense gun laws, okay here goes.
>Hispanics can own revolvers, shot guns, and nonsemiauto rifles.
>Asians can own any manner of handgun, shot gun or semiauto rifles.
>Blacks can go back to Africa and play with all the guns they want.
>White people can own any fire arm or explosive device they can buy or manufacture.
>>74516428
> technically legal because they are not completely outlawed
are you retarded?
possession of explosives without a permit for EXACTLY the specific amount and composition in your possession is a FELONY in every state in the union.
even farmers who need to blast a stump, or miners looking to split some rocks have to get a permit, keep immaculate records, demonstrate a need for the shit and prove they can and will use the shit safely
making your own explosives juice at home is ALSO a felony
>>74516501
> U dont No Wut U R Talkin Aboot!!
yes, i do you blithering idiot
i had a demolitions license for several years and a permit to use dynamite
i had to fill out forms for every stick i was issued, and forms for every time i let one off
>>74516507
> U Kan Buy Mortars N Bombs N Sheeit.
no, you cant you lying faggot.
training dummies, empty and defused paperweights, and milsurp decorations are NOT live ordinance.
nobody sells live artillery rounds, mortar shells, tank shells, explosives or bombs over the interwebs (legally) and NOBODY ships them to your door.
shipping explosives through the US Postal Service, FedEx, UPS, or any other common carrier is a FELONY
specially licensed and regulated manufacturers make carefully metered and regulated quantities of explosives which are shipped through specially licensed and regulated carriers to specially licensed and regulated resellers who only sell the shit IN PERSON to specially licensed and regulated buyers with special licenses and permits for every gram of explosives they buy.
you are a liar.
>>74517546
There was a tank for sale in Oklahoma I believe? $250,000 gun still worked came with 10 rounds
>>74516692
> tannerite
> explosive
yeah, youre retarded.
those little paper snap caps at the convenience store arent explosives either.
you cant make a bomb out of tannerite, because it is NOT explosive.
it makes smoke, and a low velocity shock wave, it is NOT used in demolitions or munitions.
>>74517546
Hes wrong about having them shipped to your doorstep. There are plenty of privately owned artillery pieces and explosives. You just have to go through the ATF as you would with all the other fun items. Yes, you can buy off the internet but of course it will go though a dealer and then to the private owner.
http://www.urban-armory.com/cart/proddetail.php?prod=mk19
>>74517546
>no, you cant you lying faggot.
To dramatically prove your wrong
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T7fhBm1ouSU
There re thousands of people out there with these "toys"
>>74517674
no, i dont believe you.
if this were true you would provide evidence.
>>74518255
http://www.armyjeeps.net/armor1.htm
>>74518255
over 5 seconds on google.
https://www.armslist.com/posts/4616205/oklahoma-city-oklahoma-nfa-firearms-for-sale--fully-operational-main-battle-tank-with-120mm-live-cannon
>>74517546
>specially licensed and regulated manufacturers make carefully metered and regulated quantities of explosives which are shipped through specially licensed and regulated carriers to specially licensed and regulated resellers who only sell the shit IN PERSON to specially licensed and regulated buyers with special licenses and permits for every gram of explosives they buy.
http://www.cabelas.com/category/Reloading-Powders-Primers/333152280.uts
Its an extra $20 for UPS to handle hazardous materials. They're supposed to get a signature but I've never actually had to sign.
SOME explosives are tightly regulated, but not all. I could make pipe bombs for days with powder and primers.
>>74518219
>>74518231
yes, some people own privately held artillery pieces.but they do NOT have explosive, incendiary or anti-personnel rounds for them. just target rounds (big bullets)
exception: PMCs CAN get permits for attack helicopters, grenades, artillery shells, tanks, HE rounds, miniguns, etc etc etc for their business purposes.
your average joe cant.
and even with special permits, NO COMMON CARRIER SHIPS THEM
they must be delivered by a licensed carrier, and the possessor must file endless forms to make sure he doesnt have any of his shit "walk out the door" and into the hands of a local street gang.
>>74508850
You are not allowed to own grenades or nukes. That is the common sense gun control.
>>74518075
tannerite is a non binary explosive you fucking idiot. Its seriously ammonium nitrate aluminum which is exactly what they're using in IED's in afghanistan. Holy fuck if you're going to call people retarded you should at least know what you're talking about.
>>74518807
again. wrong. you can own HE if you regester each individual round as a destructive device.
>>74518075
Dude it can blow a water heater sky high. It could easily make some gnarly pie bombs.
>>74518306
>http://www.armyjeeps.net/armor1.htm
yes. a bunch of old milsurp vehicles, including a few working tanks with NON WORKING ARMAMENTS!!!
stop lying you dirtbag.
Because people oppose common sense.
This is the reason we need guns.
>chillin in gun free zone
>criminal jumps out with gun
>point to Gun Free Zone sign
>"Aw shit, my bad nigga"
>He throws his illegally purchased AK47 away
>now we're best friends
This is what liberals actually believe.
>>74519108
lol oops
>>74518346
>>74518585
> ooo primers!!!
> smugface.jpg
you twat.
a primer is a class c explosive (like a firecracker) which means it is NOT AN EXPLOSIVE DEVICE
show me cabellas' listings for blasting caps or bricks of composition b.
dumbass.
you cant make a bomb out of primers
all this fuddlore is pathetic.
>>74518815
>You are not allowed to own grenades
Literally tyranny
>that was written in the fucking 1700s on horseback with fucking featherpens.
So was the first amendment...
>>74509885
But it does in a legal sense, at least in terms of the founding fathers. James Madison even let foreign ships armed with cannons into Boston harbor under the protection off the second amendment.
>>74519273
You can, though.
>>74518807
>but they do NOT have explosive, incendiary or anti-personnel rounds for them. just target rounds (big bullets)
See
>>74518928
>>74519051
>NON WORKING ARMAMENTS
Now you're lying
There is an M18 on there with a live cannon in big bold text
>>74519244
I dont know why you're still arguing with him he's stupid. We have already established that you cant have it mailed to your doorstep, but you can have explosives as a private citizen as long as you register them with the ATF and go through the proper channels. Now the issue is that there isnt much TRANSFERABLE stuff on the market, but if you do come across some which happens every now and then, it is completely 100% legal to purchase it as long as you pay the ATF for your cuck stamp.
>>74519403
Liberals don't like that one either.
>>74512519
>>74519525
>Hand grenades are regulated under the National Firearms Act (“NFA”), a federal law first passed in 1934 and amended by the Crime Control Act of 1968. The 1968 amendments made it illegal to possess “destructive devices,” which includes grenades. (26 U.S.C. § 5801.) There’s no doubt that a live hand grenade designed for military combat fits within the law’s provisions—non-military people may not possess them.
>>74512124
>One just has to comply with the NFA process
You mean comply with some infringement?
>>74519634
>illegal to possess destructive devices
>its still legal to purchase destructive devices
clearly we are missing something here.
>>74508850
>common sense gun laws
What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Is "let me take your guns so that when you get mugged by a pack of niggers, the cops can show up 2 minutes later" a common sense position?
>should you be allowed to carry grenades? should people be allowed to have nukes?
Yes.
>>74508850
What about freedom of speech? The founding fathers didn't foresee computers. What about the 14th amendment they didn't foresee stampedes of Mexicans.
Suck my dick OP.
>>74508850
THE SECOND AMENDMENT:
-IS *NOT* FOR HUNTING
-IS *NOT* FOR THE NATIONAL GUARD
-IS *NOT* FOR NUCLEAR OR CHEMICAL WEAPONS
THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS FOR A SINGLE PURPOSE; TO ENSURE THAT THE PEOPLE ARE CAPABLE OF RESISTING AND OVERTHROWING A TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT.
SO FUCK OFF, YOU FUCKING FASCIST PROGRESSIVE ASS LOOKIN ASS MOTHERFUCKER. I'M NOT IN THE MARKET FOR THE KIND OF PUERILE AUTHORITARIAN SHIT YOU'RE SELLING.
>>74508850
Only the government should have guns, prove me wrong
>inb4 muh lolbertarian feelings
>>74519051
Why is this faggot so desperately trying to spread disinformation?
https://youtu.be/4dhSYDZy2Yc?t=3m45s
>>74509293
Yeah we see the result of what happens in other countries with no means of defesnse., but that doesn't answer the question with nukes..you think the fathers would want that? There has to be some regulation there, what you think?
>>74520078
Because the government is just people, and people are fallible.
>>74508850
To be able to defend ourselves a tyrannous government you faggot. The fuck am I going to do with only a handgun? They have an entire military, and we the people have handguns. Rethink your argument gay boy
>>74519991
Is stamp collecting fun, anon?
>>74513327
Racist Southerner here. BRING IT!
>>74516707
Head to the nearest airport or interstate and don't let the door hit you.
>>74517102
Exactly. Just shower facts and truths and you'll see their true faces.
>>74509558
Up until the mid 1960s or 1970s all the nuclear arms in the US were owned by private nuclear science companies.
>>74520149
No, but suppressors are
>>74519634
>cherry picks sentences out of the law to try to prove himself right
You are literally fucking retarded.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_21/407785_To_all_the_nay_sayers___I_now_have_a_frag_grenade__UPDATE__Pg__8_Finished_Grenade.html
>>74520116
>The government is fallible
Nice try lolbertarian shill
>>74512865
I'm a Californian, do not treat this man as a representative for all of us. I bet he's from LA or fucking ground cuck 0 also known as SF
>>74520553
As a government, I can attest to this: I am infalible.
It's simple.
No man needs an automatic firearm to defend himself. Nor does he need a grenade, or a tank, or a nuclear weapon.
Not because people cannot be trusted to employ those weapons for self-defense, but because they are all imprecise at best and disastrous in terms of collateral damage at worst.
In any situation where you would require the firepower of a full automatic rifle, a grenade, a tank, or a nuclear weapon, you have clearly stepped in some deep-ass shit above and beyond what any citizen should be facing, even in a nightmare scenario, like having twelve gangbangers with guns at your doorstep.
Remember - the White Death killed 500 Russian soldiers with nothing but a bolt-action rifle. Full automatic weaponry is rarely worth the trouble compared to getting singular, accurate killshots. Even with a full automatic fire capable weapon like an assault rifle, you do not fire on automatic when you mean to kill someone: it's short, controlled bursts, or singular aimed shots.
Hone your skill with your firearm, and you will be able to defend yourself against any threat that is not the goddamn military knocking on your door.
And if it's the goddamn military - you'd be fucked even if you did have an assault rifle, a belt of grenades, a fully operational and loaded M1A1 Abrams (and a trained crew to operate it for you), and a nuke hidden in your basement.
Frankly, any sort of uprising against the American government military is no longer a feasible possibility. It stopped being one right around World War I. Numbers mean nothing without the training, infrastructure, and equipment that a modern military fighting force possesses.
>>74509014
Fucking this.
>>74520297
I just quoted a criminal defense information website, shit-for-brains. You posted a fucking forum of one person getting approved to build his own "grenade". You still cannot own a real military grade hand grenade. Faggot.
>>74520730
>no one needs a fully automatic weapon
What is select fire? Full retard isn't even that useful it just wastes bullets and therfore money, bUT it is fun. It's nice to know that if you need to pump a mother fucker full of lead that you can.
>>74520730
Fuck you, its not the bill of needs.
Educate yourself.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo9BbB6rBx0
>>74520730
> Numbers mean nothing without the training, infrastructure, and equipment that a modern military fighting force possesses.
Tell that to the fucking Vietnamese, Mujahideen, The Chinese in Korea, or the Russians in WWII
>>74520979
It's cool, man.
Keep lying like the little faggot bitch you are.
You're just demonstrating to everyone here you're a lying faggot.
>>74508850
Fuck off, cuck. I'll own what I want.
>>74513327
It's OK, OP. You can't help being this stupid. Nobody blames you.
>>74521177
Fuck you too, pal, you can defend yourself without bombs just fine. Git gud.
>>74521250
>Vietnamese
Guerilla tactics and a disinterested US. Their success was not through numbers, but asymmetrical warfare.
>Mujahideen
Guerilla tactics and a disinterested Russia. Their success was not through numbers, but asymmetrical warfare.
>Korea
Logistical nightmare for the US compared to China, who were literally on Korea's doorstep. Without modern day logistics for the US, that war was never going to result in anything other than stalemate.
>Russians in WWII
German tactical and logistical blunders abounds led to an eventual breakdown of the German offensive despite very strong gains initially. Even then, Russia paid the price in blood for every German bullet spent in Stalingrad. That casualty list is both absurd and disgusting, and to imply that Russia won that battle as much as Germany lost it is silly.
>>74508850
Shall.
Not.
be.
Infringed.
>>74521264
>gets BTFO
>links to a fucking forum of a completely unrelated individual project of someone being allowed to build a "grenade"
>somehow this dissolves blatent written law
>somehow I'm cherry picking and you're not
>calls me a lying faggot
LMAOing at your life
>>74508850
More people die from falling by accident than by any of the weapons you described. Use common sense, there is no reason to ban assault weapons when they aren't even used in the majority of gun violence.
>>74517227
>the mixture is an explosive once mixed, and cannot be transported in that form without following strict regulations including insurance, packaging, and signage on the vehicle. Various regulations also govern the storage of unmixed Tannerite.
If you say so, bro. I'm going to say you are wrong as it is contradict by the citation.
Where is that Justicar video where he explains the language of the law?
>>74508850
It was written by the most gangster mother fuckers that ever lived. They told one of the worlds most powerful governments to fuck off, shot them, and gave us true freedom for a limited time. I'm sure all of their graves are wallowed out from how fast they've been rolling over in their graves. You might even be able to harness the power and create free electricity for the entire country.
>>74508850
why are there so many of you shitposting morons on /pol these days?
gtfo
>>74521873
>Defend yourself just fine
Its not up to you how i defend myself, what i use, or what i need.
And if you honestly think that the government fighting the populace would look like conventional warfare, youd be dead fucking wrong. It would be geurilla warfare times a thousand in a country with more guns than people, no tank or jet fighter or fucking satelltie is gonna bust down my door at 3am and arrest me for dissent, only a human.
Occupation has never worked out for the invading country, and the united states would have to invade itself, and that wouldnt end well.
>>74509896
>it has been shown to work in various other countries like australia.
move there now
also, second amendment
>>74510183
you're a liar and a shill
I would respect you more if you just admitted you wanted to ban private ownership of all firearms and we could argue about that.
>>74521873
What do you fucking think the militias or civilians who take up arms are going to do? ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE! Do you really think people who know they're outgunned are going to dig fucking trenches WWI style? Or better yet march in tight formations shoulder to shoulder to the beat of a fife and drum?
First off I'm tired of seeing idiots from California making the rest of us Californians look bad. I'm from California myself and I believe in having a gun. My most hated argument is "well you don't need that big of a gun or that type of gun to go hunting". Its not for hunting its for when our government is doing the shit its doing and taking away our rights and our ways of fighting back while making false flags to get people scared of guns. If you hadn't noticed guns aren't the only things that kill. The human body is a weak fragile thing that can die from pretty much anything. If I went to an elementary school right now and just started stabbing kids with a pencil you think they're going to make pencil laws? No because you can't defend yourself against a government with pencils. The government wants you to be completely in their mercy and be defenseless. Just because somebody was mentally ill and shot people doesn't mean they couldn't have easily used something else as a weapon. The government is eventually going to take every right you have and the ones that were for gun laws I wont feel sorry for when uncle sam is ass raping them while telling them to make him more money.
>>74522351
This boi right here has got it. Also large parts of America except for Texas have a very fragile power line system. A well placed shot in a few transformers can knock out large areas of the power grid, cause those who didn't rise up to go into panic and probably riot if the powers not on in a few days or a week. This will cause not a 2 front war, but a three front war for the government. They'd have men fighting rebels/militias, rouge military units that have sided with the rebels, and send troops to quell rioters.
>>74508850
I think it's two things.
If humans cannot be trusted with certain things in life, not just weapons, what makes someone think that the governing body, made up of those same morons, who often just barely scrapes through an election, knows best?
Also, "If humans are inherently good, no law is necessary. If humans are inherently evil, no law could suffice."
Taking weapons from people who would otherwise not use them irresponsibly will never solve the issues.
>>74520022
underrated post
SHALL
>>74508850
LA FACE WIT AN OAKLAND BOOTY
>>74508850
because muh vagina
Nuts
>>74508850
they had gatling guns and exploding cannon balls
>>74516707
>can own a Sig 550 with a basic license
>have to get a fancy expensive license to own an equally capable gun but looks different
or
>can own more imported guns than the US
or
>can buy ammo cheaper than the US
or
>can own short barreled rifles without them being registered
Yes, Canadian gun laws are perfect
>>74508850
>common sense gun laws
What's particularly ironic is you use the words of Thomas fucking Paine to push your gun control agenda.
Common sense is not overturning the 2nd amendment because misguided leftists are under the false notion that more gun control reduces crime. It literally does the opposite. Highest gun murder pet capita country in the world? Honduras. Highest city in the country? Detroit. Both ran by leftist governments and have very strict gun control laws.
>>74508850
She is a coalburner, you guys know that right?
>>74508850
>time changes evil people's desire for power and their greed
you still have a lot to learn. This is why evolution is nonsense, you get it in your head that because a certain amount of time has past that history can be ignored, but history is filled with examples of tyrannical governments stripping the populace of their weapons to control them. If you want tyranny so bad, then continue believing what you believe, I suppose only when you most sacred of privileges are stripped away that you will realize the importance of the 2nd ammendment
>>74512865
GO BACK TO CALIFORNIA. WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE.
>>74512865
>I'm going to assume everyone with a gun is hostile because I'm that kind of idiot
when a person is trying to rape/rob/murder you what defense shall you use against that person that is nonviolent? Nothing, it is impossible. Violence must be met with violence. Go back to california you faggot, no one gives a fuck about your shitty opinions
