As a Scot I am terrified of what the future may hold.
The ignorance of my countrymen is real.
I foresee the following:
>UK votes to leave the EU
>Scottish turnout for this vote is relatively poor
>Scottish National Party(pro-EU socialists) blames English vote for carrying Scotland out of the EU against it's will
>SNP push for second independence vote
>this time the vote YES to leave the UK wins
>Scotland leaves UK
>Scotland joins EU
>Rest of the UK bring annual immigration figures back to a reasonable level of 30,000 (using a points based system ie austrailia
>Scotland gets hugely cucked by the EU and migrants of europe use Scotland as a doorway to their families living in London, Birmingham and the like
>tensions rise between scotland and the rest of the UK
>all the while our Scottish landscapes are destroyed with new housing demands and our qt3.14s are pumped full of subhuman seed
When you consider the fact that on average 300,000 immigrants have came to the UK for the last 5-10 years, a figure of this size coming to Scotland alone, a population of 5 million is fucking terrifying.
Scotfags have to understand that an independent Scotland will only result in one thing; being a slave to the EU. There are too many pro-EU sycophants leading this country. The only way forward is to keep Britain together and keep Britain strong.
I want off this wild ride.
Yep, Nicola sturgeon is keeping quiet about it, because the result she wants will allow for another referendum.
We will be far more cucked by ourselves than we will be as part of the UK.
>>74470740
a new political party would form in an independent Scotland that's radically anti-snp. braveheart is on the telly every day.
>>74470740
hahaha if England leaves the union its going to send shockwaves through whole of the EU. After a month the only countries to remain will be banking jew countries, poorspania and leechgreekia.
Don't worry, we're already voting to cuck ourselves in June
lol Brexit won't happen.
Remain 55%
Leave 45%
>>74471952
This isn't some fantasy RPG faggot.
Independence = SNP single party state
Immigration = open doors
Voter based of left wingers and retards = secure
Constitution = Already decided FUCKING READ IT:
Article 1, Paragraph 4:
>An inclusive definition of citizenship, with reserved rights of residency for non-citizens resident in Scotland at the time of independence
You made this thread last night, what the fuck are you doing OP?
>>74387904
>>74473143
>>74473195
Not looking good.
https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/
The scare tactics are working.
UK needs a massive terrorist attack. That might way it.
>>74473356
Its a good thread. Leave OP alone.
So, basically Scotland becomes ROI v2.0?
>2 leftist paradises on the isles
Good news for Swedes I guess, they might finally stop being the laughing stocks.
>>74470740
>When you consider the fact that on average 300,000 immigrants have came to the UK for the last 5-10 years, a figure of this size coming to Scotland alone, a population of 5 million is fucking terrifying.
Also consider that the majority end up living in cities, and Glasgow currently has a population of around 600,000.
>>74473522
Hopefully the main debates can help to pull leave up in the ratings.
>>74470740
we gotta keep the union together m8...without you england is nothing and without us scotland is nothing
together we created the modern world...we cant let it go to waste because of jimmy crankie and her fucking autistic zombies who watched braveheart one day and unironically believe everything that happened in it
>>74473961
BBC barely reports on the leave side. Its all interviews with politicians and bureaucrats saying how uncertain it will be etc.
They are scraping the barrel now - they had the mayor or New York today saying we should remain. What the fuck he's got to do with it?...
>>74474113
UKIP really need to smash it in Scotland soon.
>>74474157
>put the burka in the background, best not scare the voters who are, you know, a bit too nationalist
>>74474390
Nationalists that vote SNP can't read, and would never pick up a book or pamphlet. If they couldn't they wouldn't have voted for the SNP.
>As a Scot
Don't talk shite ya fucking poofter, you're as much of a Scotsman as fucking Napoleon.
>>74474336
UKIP are barely even trying with Scotland. Davidson needs to break the Scottish Conservatives off as a separate party from the Conservatives in the rest of the UK.
>>74474542
More of a Scot than you you socialist, shitskin loving cuck.
>>74474428
how many philipinos do they have in scotland?
>>74474880
What are these new tanks you lads have?
>>74474645
No, Scotland needs an actual Scottish old school Tory man, not a Centrist Lesbian with no real opinion on anything.
>>74474880
You have no idea what my political views are, Ivanovanovanovic, but I can guarantee you that the OP is English.
>>74475002
Armata T-14 - they look pretty amazing, I was here for the victory day parade (Scot on Business here).
>>74475065
If you voted SNP or independance you voted for Socialism and Shitskins, so I'd say I'm pretty accurate, despite whatever it is you though you were voting for without reading the fine print.
>>74470740
I hear ya.
If we go independent and then walk straight into the clusterfuck of the EU then it's all been for absolutely fuck all.
If that happens then I'm fucking off out of it.
>>74475142
I saw a reporter raving about some now armour they have
>>74475022
>an actual Scottish old school Tory man
To begin with they need to take the tarnish off the party and at least show themselves to be distinctly separate from their Westminster colleagues. An actual Conservative would be immediately labelled as a sexist for criticising Sturgeon and a racist, and most voters would believe it.
>>74475272
Yeah it sounds pretty amazing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-14_Armata#Protection
>>74475331
Fair points.
A new party might be a better move.
>>74475229
Yup, it's definitely not the case that the bulk of SNP support stems from the single issue of Scottish independence, that would be completely ridiculous...
It's pretty obvious, a vote for the SNP is a vote for the only party that can deliver an independent Scotland, nothing more or less.
>>74474336
Every time I've heard that Nigel is up here the fucker gets hounded by the tolerant and caring lefties and the idiots who think anyone with an English accent is the enemy.
It's need to be SKIP... If you get me..
>>74473522
The economic argument seems to be outweighing every other point the leavers have unfortunately. For some reason the remainers keep talking about changing the EU from within... Cameron couldn't even get change with the threat of Britain leaving, what are you going to change?
>>74475432
>A new party might be a better move.
It would, but bringing a new party into a position where it becomes a serious competitor in an election seems to take a very long time.
Scotland would do great as a country. Scotland should become independent and go over to driving on the right hand side. Scotland belongs to the rest of us. You are properly one of us Europeans and have a much more cosmopolitan and continental world view.
>>74475560
Yes, or in other words pure ignorance of epic proportions to the very well defined plans post independence over which they will have no say or debate.
>>74475714
Ronny Deila is shit.
>>74475823
Unless I'm mistaken, you are actually conflating the two separate notions of voting for the SNP to gain independence, and the subsequent vote that would have to take place to establish the first government of an independent Scotland?
>>74475581
Precisely right. Change form within to them just means many well paid trips to Brussels, which include generous allowances, housing, salary and expenses for everyone.
If you haven't already, watch the Brexit movie - it's an eye opener.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0
>>74475645
Yes, it would take at least 2 full election cycles and a lot of funding.
It's pretty grim.
>>74475955
>and the subsequent vote that would have to take place to establish the first government of an independent Scotland?
The remnants of the Tory and Labour parties still active in Scotland have exactly zero chance of winning that election.
>>74471952
No. The SNP would retain control of the country with their new found majority. And would form Scotland's Constitution to benefit them, and any other pro-indy/leftist parties.
>>74473262
Based Russia :)
>>74473195
I think we'll leave, and if we do I think a large portion of Scotland will back the leave. The SNP don't realize how much damage the EU does to Scotland's fishing industry and how the EU fucks over any small business.
Every post on Facebook, news website, or person I've seen wants to leave the EU. The media just blanks it out and attempts to show the Remain vote as winning so people don't bother voting.
>>74474336
UKIP will NEVER win in Scotland. I've said it multiple times, and I'll continue to say it. Scotland needs a new political party that pro-union voters can rally behind. All you need to do is take the Nationalism card away from the SNP and you'll fuck them in any election.
>>74475331
Scotland needs a moderate political party. One that can take the Nationalism card away from the SNP, and have the pro-union voters rally behind it.
Hell, the only reason the SNP continues to win a majority is because Pro-Unionist don't rally behind a single party, whereas Pro-Indy cunts rally behind the SNP. The SNP don't have good policies to actually support them.
>>74470740
>this time the vote YES to leave the UK wins
They had virtually every possible advantage in 2014, and still lost.
Why do you think they'll win when everything's gotten worse for them since then?
They still won't answer the curency question.
>>74470740
uh, why not vote to exist and hop the border. England would probably be better off without them based on your opinion. then just build a wall
>>74473522
What do the bookies predict?
>>74474542
I live in renfrewshire lad. Just because I don't spout the hivemind garbage you believe doesn't make me English. Our country is fucked with this mindset.
>>74475955
Means to the same end.
If independence happened the SNP would still be the party in power. The constitution is already decided, the whitepaper spells it all out, and there is no changing that now, or post independence. The outcome would be horrific for those of us that oppose the EU and Open migration among many other defined and already pre-decided issues.
Independance under those terms is a nightmare, and there is nothing free or independent about their vision for Scotland.
>>74476615
>If independence happened the SNP would still be the party in power
Eh, no, there would be an election, and the people of Scotland would vote for a new government, and not likely the SNP.
>>74474542
I actually can't get over the ignorance of this post.
Fuck me, just fucking try and justify it you weak minded faggot.
>>74476454
Ladbrokes is currently backing 79% Remain
>>74476761
>and not likely the SNP
Who's going to win instead? A Labour party who just lost a pro-unionist campaign, lost a lot of it's funding, and to the electorate represents Westminster in further independence negotiations?
>>74476141
>I think we'll leave, and if we do I think a large portion of Scotland will back the leave. The SNP don't realize how much damage the EU does to Scotland's fishing industry and how the EU fucks over any small business.
>Every post on Facebook, news website, or person I've seen wants to leave the EU. The media just blanks it out and attempts to show the Remain vote as winning so people don't bother voting.
To be honest I think you're a little misguided in your prediction if you're just basing it on social media or online communities. If that were the case, Ron Paul would be the POTUS right now.
>>74475645
It'd take no more than 2 cycles to become either the majority, or a serious contender for the majority in the Scottish Parliament.
The majority of SNPs voters follow them blindly because of the Nationalism card. They don't vote Conservatives because its an "English Party" nor do they vote Labour for the same reason. If you can take away the Nationalism card from the SNP you would take away their majority and open the playing field for the rest of the parties in Scotland, and your own.
Then all you need is 3 or 4 policies that the masses can easily get behind. Simple things that aren't hard to implement but are strong arguing points:
1. Reform Income Tax - No income tax on those who earn below £15,000 (Or so), freeze/cut income tax on the middle class and slightly raise income tax on the higher class.
2. Cut Public Spending in Useless Areas - Drop politicians pay to £35,000 (I'd love to see a party argue against it), cut out useless NHS/Council Staff and streamline both.
3. Invest in Secondary Education - Prepare teenagers more for life while in education. Assist those who don't want to go to Uni/College. Seek more apprentice schemes.
4. Invest in Scottish Industry - Self explanatory.
>>74476761
Who would they vote for then? The Conservatives? Labour? Green? No. They'd vote for the political party who has just made Scotland a independent country, and they'd continue voting for the SNP until the country inevitably collapses on itself.
>>74476761
You seem to post this (I assume it is you) in every Scottish thread.
So you think the party that led to independance would not be the party that gets re-elected. And who exactly would people jump shit to, please enlighten me.
Even if your imaginary and ridiculous outcome were correct it does not change the fact that an independent Scotland will unequivocally remain in the EU as well as adopt the policies that have already been decided as far as migration, refugees, citizenship, the queen as head of state, etc.
>>74476853
Bugger.
>>74477143
Aye.
>>74477082
>It'd take no more than 2 cycles to become either the majority
It would take a bare minimum of 2 cycles. Setting up a political party which can beat an incumbent takes an enormous amount of time, effort and funding.
>>74476983
With actual proportional representation, there would likely be no party with the overall largest majority.There's likely to be a wide range of votes cast, with the largest majority probably going to labour, or maybe even the conservatives.
What you perceive as support for the SNP is actually just support for independence.
>>74477107
>Scotland will unequivocally remain in the EU
How can Scotland remain a member when it has never been a member?
>>74477039
So following biased polls that have failed to accurately predict general elections in the past is more accurate? Those polls will be conducted in Pro-EU centers to give the public the imagine that the Leave side has already lost to stop people from voting.
Besides, most of my friends/colleagues are left-wing and generally against nationalism but they want to leave the EU.
>>74477289
>or maybe even the conservatives
Against the SNP riding in on a high after winning an independence vote and promising to fulfill all their bullshit promises they made before the referendum? No.
>>74474542
All the best Scots died during the Highland Clearances by the cuck Scots we see today.
CURRENT YEAR
>>74477622
The SNP do not 'win' the independence vote, it is nothing to do with them, and you really should stop conflating support for the SNP with support for independence.
Things will become a lot clearer to you when you do.
>>74477289
>What you perceive as support for the SNP is actually just support for independence.
While I support independence I cannot overlook the SNP's shitiness. 2014 I was willing to risk it. Sturgeon has dragged the overton window in Scotland into dangerously 'leftist' territory.
And speaking to friends about this, many of them seem to like the SNP for the SNP, beyond just a means to an end.
>>74477428
Scotland would rejoin in the very slim chance it was not automatic and every party in Scotland is steadfast dedicated to EU membership, and its is pre-supposed in the whitepaper.
Are you trying to tell me you think Scotland would remain outside of the EU and independent in your fantasy outcome? Must be nice to be such an optimist.
Ignorance is bliss they say...
>>74477289
The SNP would be the largest party with a proportional voting system. They have just under 50% of the voters currently, whereas Labour, Conservatives and other parties have to split the remainder. Then the SNP would just form a coalition with a smaller party that shares similar ideologies.
>>74477530
I hope you're right.
>>74477730
>The SNP do not 'win' the independence vote, it is nothing to do with them
Of course they do. It's the defining policy of their party, and they'll be at the forefront of the independence campaign.
>>74477730
are you going to tell me how I'm English?
>>74477852
I'd love to see the SNP win independence after the UK leaves the EU, and then the EU denies them membership.
>>74477974
I dunno, do you suck dicks and talk like a poof?
>>74477859
>They have just under 50% of the voters currently
Yes, and when independence is gained, and they are no longer need, it'll drop to about 25%.
>>74478100
is that what you've gathered from the OP and my subsequent posts, fella?
>>74477930
Nobody likes the SNP because of their policies. Hell, I bet half of their followers wouldn't even be able to name another SNP policy besides Scotland being independent. Its the only reason they are popular.
>>74478034
Scotland would join the EFTA or be part of some other agreement. As an EU member and being forced to follow EU trading rules, it wouldn't be able to freely trade with rUK.
>>74478453
Vote a UK Trump into office AND BUILD A WALL, worked for the Romans
Does anyone know the Shetland guy who kept having panic attacks in these threads that the SNP may have taken his constituency?
Turns out the Lib Dems strengthened their majority there, he must be relieved as fuck.
>>74478207
And why would people stop voting for them and begin voting for other parties?
Do you really think people will suddenly become Conservative and Labour voters after all they did to Scotland during the referendum build up and the years before that? Or would they vote for the party that won them the right to govern themselves like William Wallace would have wanted!
Maybe 10-15 years down the line after independence the SNP may lose its majority and shrink, but it's still slim chances.
>>74478338
Right but Sturgeon's anti austerity, anti-tory 'leftism' is pretty popular. Not as popular as /pol/ likes to make out but make no mistake lad, we're fast becoming a nation of cucks. A majority of my friends launch into full libtard mode whenever I mention anything left of Labour. And these are guys closer to 30 and 40 tan 20. They can never really explain WHY the EU is good, or UKIP bad. Tey just KNOW tat the SNP are te best party. Despite evidence to the contrary.
>>74478589
Yeah man. He was present in my failed UKIP FOR REGIONAL VOTES threads. He seemed genuinely scared.
>>74470740
Martin M. Laidlaw here.
We will vote to Remain.
>>74478694
The SNP already lost their majority in the recent general elections ya fucken toilet brush.
honestly cunts on here thinkin they ken shite just because some other cunt wrote something wit hee-haw prior knowledge of said subject
you're a fucking nob jockey m8
>>74478034
Scotland would immediately petition to rejoin, that is a given.
>>74470740
>>74478905
The SNP candidate for Shetland actually crashed his car into a telephone box on Whalsay, what a fucking arsehole. No wonder he wasn't elected.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/14456494.Election_Unspun__Don_t_call_us__we_ll_call_you/
>>74472293
>leechgreekia
implying greeks dont want to leave
>>74479055
Aye, tae fuck wi the ritten rooles and shite, it aw ginnae be ok as lang and thaers freedum!
>>74478734
People love the SNP because of Nationalism. Its honestly that simple. Many of the SNPs voters hate the Conservatives and Labour because they're "English" and aren't "for Scotland" like the SNP likes to pretend it is.
Besides Nicola Sturgeons anti-austerity highlights why she is a poor leader and a poor politician. While the Conservatives attempt to lower public spending to reduce the deficit she continues over-spending and adding to ours. Sooner or later the SNP will collapse on itself when it comes to light how much debt we are in and that the SNP continues to overspend each year. It'll come soon lad, it just takes time.
>>74479055
The SNP have never had a majority in votes. They have had a majority in seats, but never voters.
Cunt.
>>74474428
>most powerful nation
well sheeeeeet, who'd have thought that the only concern of the SNP was power.
>>74479399
>Sooner or later the SNP will collapse on itself when it comes to light how much debt we are in and that the SNP continues to overspend each year.
They'll blame Westminster, most of their supporters are stupid enough to fall for it.
>>74474428
>>74474428
"ONE WE FIT A WINDFARM ON EVERY FREE STRIP OF LAND"
>>74470740
>SNP push for second independence vote
>this time the vote YES to leave the UK wins
no new indy referendum will be allowed. the majority voted to stay with the UK, that will be it for a generation at least, hopefully longer because 16 years old were allowed to vote. (it should only be viable for consideration when those who were eligible to vote are in the minority of the population).
the brexit vote is UK wide, majority says in or out, so the scottish region argument is invalid. it's like saying edinburgh should be allowed to vote to remain in the UK if scotland voted for independence, but edinburgh voted to remain.
it's a nonsense argument, one that should just be met with a tut and shake of the head.
>>74479399
>Many of the SNPs voters hate the Conservatives and Labour
Sounds reasonable.
>because they're "English" and aren't "for Scotland"
ITT: Things that really, really, honestly, happen. Honest.
>>74479591
Not this time. They've managed to get away with it in the past because they didn't have the financial power they do now. Especially when people realize that the SNP have been borrowing all this money from pensions.
>>74479690
Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP don't understand democracy.
>>74479690
>the brexit vote is UK wide, majority says in or out, so the scottish region argument is invalid
Not only that, the Brexit vote was on the table during the last independence referendum. Scotland explicitly voted to go along with the rest of the UK.
>>74479856
>Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP don't understand democracy.
Clearly not. They are literally shitting on democracy by mentioning another referendum. The majority were clear, the remain ref won. It is disgusting to think they can hold another one against the democratic decision of the people.
This is also why they are pro-EU - there no accountability, and a comfy job waiting for them.
Fuck the SNP, and everyone that voted for them.
>>74480141
>holding a referendum is undemocratic
Unionists, everyone.
>>74470740
>scottish qt3.14's
Too me a while to spot a troll post
>>74480263
Holding 1 is democratic. Holding another because you didn't like the result of the 1st is not.
Is this really that difficult to understand?
>>74480141
>This is also why they are pro-EU - there no accountability, and a comfy job waiting for them.
This is why almost every politician supports the EU. Yet people think it's because they know best.
>Fuck the SNP, and everyone that voted for them.
Indeed, the sooner a Moderate Pro-Union party is established, the better.
>>74480263
>Loses referendum that they agree is once in a lifetime by a majority
>UK Government does something
>The SNP bitch and cry
>The SNP demand another referendum, after agree it was once in a life time event
Retards, everywhere.
>>74480487
Surely if you are so certain that it is the view of the majority of the people of Scotland, then you would have no problem with holding a referendum to reaffirm that?
>>74480666
>agree is once in a lifetime by a majority
>agree it was once in a life time event
Who and when was this?
>>74480770
Why not just have one every week? Put some routine into your Thursdays.
>>74480840
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11095210/Alex-Salmond-This-is-a-once-in-a-generation-opportunity-for-Scotland.html
>>74480770
So if we became independent we could hold referendums every 4 years to see if we want to go back to the UK?
>>74480840
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11095210/Alex-Salmond-This-is-a-once-in-a-generation-opportunity-for-Scotland.html
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11095210/Alex-Salmond-This-is-a-once-in-a-generation-opportunity-for-Scotland.html
>http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/17/scottish-independence-referendum-yes-no-agree-once-in-lifetime-vote
Like I told you earlier cunt
Scotland is only acting leftists as fuck to punish the english for not setting them free
It's an innate rage for everything british and since there is no real way you guys would ever call to arms and have a civil war again you're making sure England goes as far down the toilet as possible so you vote left and they vote to ruin bongistan with more kebab.
As soon as you guys were independent you would go pretty much as right as possible to eliminate all the shitskins in Scotland and then settle for a mid right spot after they're all eradicated
>>74480770
This: >>74480940
It leads to economic uncertainty and that is good for no one.
I didn't like the outcome of the last election either, lets vote again
and again
and again
and again
till I get what I want.
Grow up.
>>74481057
Fuck off clueless Yank
>>74470740
Funny because its true.
>>74480999
>>74481054
Proof that independence/SNP voter can neither read. nor in any way follow world events. news or politics.
>>74480840
Dumb fuck
>>74475847
>>74480999
>the smellygraph
One person giving their personal opinion. That really is quite some 'agreement'.
When Scotland becomes independent, we can do what we want.
>>74481533
>let me spread the democracy i supposedly hate.
>>74481054
Yup, one persons opinion. Fantastic.
>>74481745
I'm not a Russian. Try and keep up m8.
>>74481926
>Russian Federation
>Not russian
>>74481706
>>74481759
>One person
Fucking hell dude, you seriously cannot be that stupid?
Alex Salmond was the head of the SNP and the leader for the Yes Campaign. He and David Cameron agreed when the referendum was put forth it was once in a lifetime.
And once more, if we voted to Leave would we have another referendum to decide if we actually wanted to leave?
>>74481759
Read the second link.
>>74481759
Probably unaware of who Alex Salmond was.
You are a text book example of the ignorance that represents the SNP/Independance voters.
>thair's fowk wha dinnae want Scotland tae be its ain kintra
>>74482011
Here, let me help you >>74475142
>>74482314
>the ignorance that represents the SNP/Independance voters
>Independance
>the ignorance
>Independance
Once more, Unionists in a nutshell.
>>74482592
>Independance
Independence - sue me - nitpicking spelling, really? Sure sign you have no valid argument.
>>74482038
>if we voted to Leave would we have another referendum to decide if we actually wanted to leave?
Once again, if the people of Scotland wanted to have one, they could, they could do whatever they like. That's the great thing about it see, it empowers the people of Scotland, not London.
>>74482358
Just not under the current leftist asshole politics of the day. I'd feel differently if it were actual nationalists and anti-EU parties to lead the country. But that does no exists, and the option steering a "free" Scotland would in fact destroy it as OP said in his 1st post.
>>74470740
Fellow Scotsman here OP
I also have the same concern. We're clearly not capable of running our own country but the dregs will drags us down with us. It's best to do what our ancestors did and leave for greener pastures.
>>74482818
LOL just wow.
The people of Scotland call for referendums. Are you really this clueless?
>>74482818
>They could do whatever they like.
Like how they voted to remain in the UK?
>>74483005
There are no greener pastures mate. Not anymore.
>>74482592
>>74482724
THIS JUST IN - AVID INDEPENDENCE CAMPAIGNER DESTROYS UNIONIST AFTER REPORT FINDS UNIONIST ILLITERATE.
Hold on a second boys, I'm on the phone to Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP about getting a second Referendum. I think we have a chance now.
>>74482818
> That's the great thing about it see, it empowers the people of Scotland, not London.
What? You want independence so we can constantly hold referendums on issues already settled? That's all good in theory, but most of us have jobs and lives, so we can't spend every week voting on bullshit issues.
After the referendum we were devolved near enough every power that we need. The only powers we don't have in the Scottish Parliament are ones that would are union-wide (Like defense).
>>74483304
lol, I like you.
>>74482369
How do you like it there? I'm planning on visiting Saint Petersburg.
>>74483392
There's always America and Australia. Fuck Canada though, it's just another leftitsts shithole with no sunlight.
>>74483398
>The only powers we don't have in the Scottish Parliament are ones that would are union-wide (Like defense).
And Immigration. Thank fuck.
>>74470740
Remove scots
>>74483304
Well done, you'll get the hang of this democracy thing eventually.
>>74483569
Scots should be genocided
>>74483469
America is 60% white and falling, and Australia... well enjoy the perpetual ball sweat and giant spiders.
>>74483427
It's brilliant. Would definitely recommend a visit.
>>74483569
>>74483626
English paid NHS is the only reason Scottish life expectancy is in double figures
>>74483591
>doesn't understand sarcasm directed at him
Induhpenpundunce voters.
Scummy Scots should be wiped out
>>74483553
Even having immigration wouldn't make much sense on an island. If England for example opened its borders to anyone they would be free to go to Wales or Scotland without that countries permission. Just like Europe.
Scottish Socialist Republic
English referendum when?
>>74483569
kek
>average Scottish women
>>74483872
It's a bit ironic that most of the UK-wide sectarianism comes from two different branches of Christendom being packed together in Glasgow, whilst the leaders of the "nationalists" want to import millions of people from a statistically much more antagonistic and violent non-Christian faith.
>average Scottish man
>>74484026
Might as well throw cornwall in there.
Also the black is a nice metaphor for the death of Britain.
>scots can't into wall building
>>74478589
>tfw my constituency changed from SNP to Lib Dem
Lucky bastard Willie Rennie that we got him in.
>yer anglish pub r shite m8
Because we don't serve heroin at the bar
>I voted for SNP because they have Scotland in the name
>>74484544
You realize that map is pointing to Northumbria and not Scotland right?
You done yet?
>>74483745
In scotland, chimney shits on you
>only Scottish cuisine
protip: Haggis is English
>>74484668
Based central belt.
>mfw they get called "non scottish" by scotnats
>>74484711
>I watched braveheart
>Scot Gibsons seem like cool guys
Trust Slavs to see a kindred spirit in Scots
>>74484026
Fuck off Eng Dems
>>74484939
I'm still not Russian. But I'll grand you there are some similarities.
>>74485047
grant* (before the spelling police show up)
>>74484776
this is a meme
>>74483398
>constantly hold referendums
If you had sex once every two years, would you say that you are having sex 'constantly'?
In saying that, it probably would be an improvement upon the rate enjoyed by the average ugly hun unionist cunt.
One day Longshanks will return to expel the Jews and hammer the Scots
>>74485242
If you want an independence referendum every 2 years, does that mean you'd be happy with a referendum for Scotland to rejoin the UK every 2 years if you ever voted to leave? An EU membership referendum every 2 years?
>>74485242
Your dumbfuckery is showing.
>>74485232
Sorry my mistake, You cuisine is actually quite varied
>>74470740
100% this. Third world scum using Scotland as a gateway to England.
Scotland becomes our Mexico.
>>74470740
>refugees actually wanting to live in Scotland
>Scotland becomes a literal door to England via being an EU puppet state.
>All immigrants sail to Scotland to go into England and England becomes the Middle East while the Scots stay on their hills to watch the cuckening.
Lol, what are you worried about? England is the one that's fucked!
>>74485484
We should change currencies every 2 years as well, just for keks.
Also disband and reform the millitary and change passports...
I mean why not?
If rocket scientists like >>74485242 think it;s possible without fucking up teh economy, why not?
>>74485484
I wouldn't be happy, but if there is sufficient support for a referendum then of course there should be.
That's the point of gaining independence, to allow the will of the Scottish people to be expressed.
I know it's an alien concept to the average unionist, but eventually they'll get on board with the radical idea of not being the craven lackeys of their London masters.
>>74485576
Implying Socialist Scotland wouldn't had out a better benefits package and free hand jobs just in insure we become as divers and England.
>>74485754
>That's the point of gaining independence, to allow the will of the Scottish people to be expressed.
Good luck with that from within the EU. Not that you have a clue how it works.
>>74484267
Needs Welsh yellow.
>>74485576
Scots are as bad as the refugees, the only problem with Scotland is that it's full of scots
>>74485954
>Wales
>Relevant enough to be on a flag
Don't make me summon Edward I
>>74475244
If you're sure that's gonna happen I'd make sure you're England side before a points system is implemented
>>74485789
Not if it leaves the union for the euro.
Refugees won't leave Germany for Scotland. Some will live in Glasgow, sure, but they want to come to England. Based scots will watch the cuckening.
>>74485754
>That's the point of gaining independence, to allow the will of the Scottish people to be expressed.
If only each country in the UK had elected MP's in parliament eh? MUH OPPRESSION.
>>74485999
Free education for immigrants who want to work and live in England.
They know exactly what they're doing.
>>74486717
If only they voted Tory after knowing the Tories were going to win.
Kek.
>>74485754
Lad, the Swiss have a proper direct democracy and they don't go holding second and third votes on close run issues, if they did the place would be in chaos.
Whether you like it or not referendums shouldn't be held on one topic repeatedly in a short time frame. After a decade perhaps assuming enough popular support, doing things again every couple of years is pointless, it reeks of a government suggesting people voted the "wrong way".
A long enough time period needs to elapse so that new voters can have their say on the matter. The referendum for independence in Quebec failed by less than a 1% margin in 1995 and they haven't held another one since even though lots of Quebec politicians support independence. Why? Because they respect the will of the people.
Having multiple votes on the same issue in a short time period would lead to voter apathy and constant economic turmoil. It would also distract from the day to day politics that is vital to running a country.
>>74486717
And how does that work for Scotland when 90% of them are voted for by cunts, i.e. the Nigels?
>>74486607
>>74486823
Rubbish.
>such a proud and noble people
>why do you oppress Scotland, England?
>>74487026
You're wasting your breath mate. He's delusional.
>>74487031
I didn't vote for the Tories last year but I'm not throwing my toy out the pram and demanding independence for my special snowflake area of the island.
>>74473863
If Scotland leaves, who gets custody of Northern Ireland?
>>74487085
Oppress?
That is normal Scottish behaviour.
>>74487317
England obviously, Scots will have died out in 5 years with no English funded NHS
>>74487031
As opposed to the SNP cunts you voted for that the rest of us have to live with in Scotland?
Fuck me, these threads are tedious.
>>74487455
Very.
>>74487248
Doesn't that prove my point?
The SNP are the most popular party in Scotland at this moment in time, and yet Scotland is ruled by the tories.
Doesn't sound very democratic to me.
>>74487075
It's true. They've been playing this game for years.
English colonies negotiated with natives or shot them dead, as soon as Scotland came along, slavery, and movement of continental trade became a thing and after Ireland fell apart, the scots invited immigrants to go to university.
They've been playing Swedens game only, they border their Denmark.
It's only a matter of time when refugees flood England via Ireland and Scotland.
>>74487777
>>74487439
>>74487085
desu i thought the only reason people went to scottish cities was for free uni and to get a drug addiction.
>>74487317
Ireland was part of the English realm when it joined the Union.
>>74487930
They go to Scottish cities because they're so beautiful and clean
>>74487808
What exactly do the Torys/Westmister stop Scotland from doing at this exact point in time that you oppose.. Please enlighten us oh ignorant one.
Do you realize devolved powers cover almost everything that is not of National importance.
>>74488065
By your own words, it prevent Scotland from doing anything of national importance.
Are you over there selling drugs or something?
>>74487808
>The SNP are the most popular party in Scotland
Yeah and labour are the most powerful party in cumbria.
Whats your fucking point?
>>74488065
B... But scots are the victims senpai
>>74487808
You should become a Nigel, jock.
>>74488324
Which items specifically are you concerned about Scotand not having a say in?
>Rebuild Hadrian's wall when?
>>74470740
fuck the eu. the eu is for faggots.
>>74488065
YOu are wrong, and stupid.
>>74488519
Immigration
>>74488655
>they need genocided tbqh
>>74470740
Why are you worried? The UK is too cucked to ever leave the EU. Scotland was too cucked to leave the UK. All of you are too cucked to do anything about immigration. Your entire shitty island has become a disgrace to the Anglo legacy and the sooner you collapse the better off the rest of us will be.
>>74488806
You're right sorry, replied to the wrong post.
>>74488862
What, do you want more brown faces? Sturgeon fucking does. And Humza.
>>74488862
So you prefer the SNPs immigration policies to the Tory's ?
>>74488402
We pay more in tax per head. We deserve more, because we earn more.
Sturgeon is going to get us buttgaped by foreigners. It's inevitable that we will become full socialist. There is no hope for us because of how far left the line has been drawn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av2-A-igOJk
>>74488806
>I'm so oppressed by the evil English
>>74485047
Scotland, he's not squatting.
>>74488402
Why don't you post the equivalent chart showing contributions per head?
>>74488967
There are like ten of you fat fucks that actually pay taxes, no wonder you pay more
>>74489101
Not my fault England is lazy. 80% of jobs created in England go to EU migrants because you lot dont want to work. Sad!
>>74488951
No thanks, I don't want Scotland to end up like England.
>>74488952
Not at all, but without the SNP vote giving a clear mandate in Scotland for a wealth of opinion in favour of independence, it's pretty obvious that voting SNP is the only way for Scotland to ever gain the power to determine for itself who should be let in and who should be kept out.
>>74489413
>Voting for a pro open-immigration party in order to somehow, hopefully, limit it in future.
You are a genius.
Really.
>>74489258
Subsidy junkie
>>74489639
>somehow
Isn't it rather clear that the mechanism by which this is accomplished is independence?
Isn't that the entire crux of this thread?
>>74489413
>this entire post
>pic related
>>74489639
He's an absolute fucking retard by the looks of it.
>>74489413
SNP want to join the EU.
You're voting for a pro Europe party.
There are two types of EU countries, Germany and Poland. Which one would you like?
>>74489835
When Scotland gains independence, the SNP will not form the first government.
This is not difficult.
This is actually getting a bit Father Ted now.
>>74489779
No, and you completely missed OPs point (surprisingly). If independence happens, Scotland's get flooded with migrants because of the party you are voting for, and the power you are voting to give them over immigration.
How do you not get that?
UKIP Deputy Leader Paul Nuttall on question time tonight lads, how much of a roasting is he in for?
Rest of the panel: Amber Rudd, Yvette Cooper, Tim Farron, and Paul Mason.
>>74489803
Oh, completely. Or hes trolling... but sadly he represents the average yes/snp voter accurately.
>>74489779
Yeah, NEW JERUSALEM politics.
>It'll be different when it is different
Fuck this - I am Martin Laidlaw, Conservative Candidate for Kirkcaldy in the last election.
I got us enough votes to kill Independence - AMA
>>74476582
Fuck off Hun Scum.
>>74490187
I got 4568 votes, woop.
>>74490079
Because it's simply factually not the case that the SNP will form the first government of an independent Scotland.
A vote for independence is not a vote for the SNP.
Again, this isn't, or shouldn't, be a difficult concept to grasp. I suspect that some 'unionists' on here might simply be trolls. Sad.
>>74489821
Islanders are based, they don't consider themselves Scots and rightly so
>mfw born catholic and raised hardcore celtic fan, realise that circumstances have forced me to become a tory/ukip voting unionist
chucky ar la m8s
>>74490187
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
>>74490335
Eh, if there is another Referendum it will be during an SNP majority with INdy in the Manifesto (properly, not the mibbies aye pish they tried this year).
Another Referendum would be within 6 months of an SNP majority = Four and a half years of unopposed policies.
>>74490416
British
_____ Brit
_____
>>74490486
Great photo!
>>74478274
Yes.
>>74470740
>UK leaves
>France leaves
>Italy leaves
>Finland leaves
>EU is now only composed of Germanistan, Netherlands, the Swedish Caliphate, and broke countries
Would Scotland really join?
>>74478694
You're stupid, people don't keep going to the doctor when they're cured.
>>74490187
not sure about those shoes senpai
>>74490244
is he a hun because tory? is that the joke?
>>74490486
chuckled. but seriously stop voting snp you raghead loving cuck
>>74490335
Ok I'm done replying to you you fucking potato.
Just know you are responsible for destroying Scotland should your vote ever allow the SNP to gain control over immigration. Its bad enough what you have done to Bute. You are scum, but whats worse, you are scum out of sheer bloody ignorance.
Fuck you and everything you stand for.
>>74490581
Tories almost lost the No vote through incompetence, nobody wanted to vote for the Tories and you faggots made it seem a vote for No was a vote for David Cameron
It wasn't about party politics
>>74490711
They are William Morris design
(I am a Mediaevalist when I am not shattering the dreams of YES voters, but point taken).
>>74490773
Kek, yeah. It worked really well! Majority scuppered, CV boosted beyond all belief. Good times.
