>In an interview published Tuesday with France’s La Croix, Pope Francis argued that Jesus’ call to spread the Gospel differs little from the jihad waged by radical Islamic terrorists.
>The pope explained how ISIS’ “war of conquest” has bred a non-justified fear of Islam among Western countries.
>“I don’t think that there is a fear of Islam as such but of ISIS and its war of conquest, which is partly drawn from Islam,” he told La Croix. “It is true that the idea of conquest is inherent in the soul of Islam.”
>“However, it is also possible to interpret the objective in Matthew’s Gospel, where Jesus sends his disciples to all nations, in terms of the same idea of conquest.”
>Earlier in the interview, Pope Francis had claimed that the global economy, which “has descended into the idolatry of money,” has widened a perceived gap between Christianity and Islam.
>“The initial problems are the wars in the Middle East and in Africa as well as the underdevelopment of the African continent, which causes hunger,” explained Francis. “If there is so much unemployment, it is because of a lack of investment capable of providing employment, of which Africa has such a great need.”
>“The great majority of humanity’s wealth has fallen into the hands of a minority of the population. … A completely free market does not work.”
>fear of ISIS is not justified
>warped moral equivalence to the Gospel
>wealth inequity is why radical Islam exists, not because faith can be a de-facto primer for terrorism
>tfw the Church is being run by a Marxist Catholic and the Vatican is enabling him
That's it. I've been a Christfag for a long time but as a Catholic I'm really ashamed to be one. I went to a Catholic prep school and they were peddling wealth redistribution among other things, but now I've come full circle seeing this.
If this is the future of the Church I don't want to be part of it.
>>74381355
god damn. the pope is going full fedora
http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/18/pope-francis-spreading-the-gospel-is-no-different-than-waging-jihad
Link because fuck the character field limit
>>74381355
>“However, it is also possible to interpret the objective in Matthew’s Gospel, where Jesus sends his disciples to all nations, in terms of the same idea of conquest.”
Pack your bags, lads. We're going crusading!
>>74381572
Except the Quran isn't even open to interpretation, it lays out what ISIS is doing
What do you expect from a socialist.
>>74381355
>A completely free market does not work.”
Popo confirmed for communist shill
TIME TO OVERTHROW HIM
>>74381355
Because Jesus waged war, killed infidels, talked about justification of rape and married an underage girl and had sex with her. Right.
Who planted this mole on the Vatican?
>>74382065
Probably the Russians.
>>74381355
>full circle
That's so funny for me to hear coming from a Catholic.
He's literally defending terrorists. Holy fuck
>>74381355
>choosing a Marxist as pope
>ever
this is why you don't go looking for leaders in South America. They're all Marxist shitheads who always end up screwing whoever they want to help.
Liberation theology is a cancer that needs to be scrubbed from the planet.
>>74382434
What about all of Hitler's staff who fled to Argentina? And the based Chilean fascists?
>>74381355
Come to Orthodoxy, brother.
>gorgeous eastern europeans
>clear doctrine
>beautiful churches
>funky dietary laws, but you can still drink at least
>great incense
>the host doesn't taste like cardboard
>song
>stick with tradition
MAGA
>>74382594
Every single leader in South America and Mexico is corrupt. I wish I was exaggerating but I'm not.
>Fascism
go to bed cuck
Convert to the Orthodox church, then.
>>74381355
>if you really stretch, you can compare Islam's ideology to Christianity because Jesus wanted to spread his religion as well
JUST
>>74382928
SUBMIT
>>74382594
That was a long time ago my friend.
>>74383068
PISLAM
>>74382877
>convert to "LOLMYSTICISM" with the same problems of appealing to tradition and authority in every single one of their justifying "reasonings" for why you should believe them as opposed to anyone else
>>74381355
>La Croix
typical Ventrue trickery
Camarilla a shit.
>>74383152
The whole WoD is shit. That's the entire point.
>>74383145
Religions must appeal to tradition, since they are based on the transmission of revealed truth, not on what you conveniently make up, trying to corrupt the dogma and definition of the religion
>>74383142
AND
>>74383333
>religions must appeal to tradition
No, not really. I can maintain I believe in a revealed truth while not holding to it dogmatically, since it's entirely logically possible my belief is wrong. I'm not appealing to tradition in justifying my belief at all in that case.
>>74383333
>religion
>not made up
Pick one
Also, checked
>“However, it is also possible to interpret the objective in Matthew’s Gospel, where Jesus sends his disciples to all nations, in terms of the same idea of conquest.”
pope, what are you doing. I have liked this pope, because he is finally acting as true christian should act, but this...
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-05-18/cardinal-robert-sarah-claims-god-is-being-eroded-eclipsed-liquidated-in-the-united-states
Gotta put your trust in the based negroe cardinal.
>>74383463
>while not holding to it dogmatically
Change of dogma is corruption of dogma.
>>74383618
Dogma is corruption to begin with, because you're existentially incapable of knowing anything outside soft solipsism as a necessary fact. It's deception incarnate.
>>74381355
Come to Orthodoxy, brother.
>>74381355
the jews have infiltrated our churches
Are there two Popes at the moment? Like, twins or something?
One day it's "Islam is evil" the next it's "Allah Ackbarrrrrrr"?
What is going on?
>>74383463
Then you contradict yourself. If you believe it to be revealed, it is unchangeable and what defines the religion. Without tradition, you just made up something. The revealed truth reaches you through tradition, if you reject tradition, then you reject religion.
>>74383504
I'm not talking about atheism, though
>>74381355
>France
>Catholic
Wew Lad
>>74383528
>/pol/ finds a friend in the Church with a dindu Catholic cardinal to fight Marxism
this is indeed a disturbing universe
>>74383528
The best. Always clear and merciless
>>74383681
If you believe in the Church then you have to believe that it holds the Truth. The authority of the Church comes from Jesus.
The Illuminati Pope is the LAST POPE.
>>74382660
But how cucked are they?
I'm trying to find an uncucked form of Christianity that makes sense.
>>74383847
I believe it to be revealed, and that it's unchangeable, but I *don't* believe that's an *incontrovertible truth*, because I have *no means* of overcoming doubt in regard to the very real possibility that belief is wrong, which makes my belief completely not dogmatic.
*WITH* tradition *SOMEONE ELSE* just makes something up. Someone else making something up for you is better, Spaniard?
>>74381355
How ignorant can you be of the history of the Church to believe there is no spirit of conquest?
How ignorant can you be of the Bible that you're offended by the Vicar of God haranguing against the greed of the rich?
What the hell kind of Catholic are you, anyway, to believe that the poor and hungry of the third world (many of whom are Catholic, btw) don't deserve our help?
>I've been a Christfag for a long time
I don't think you ever were.
>>74381355
Nice to see the heretic is hard at work preaching heresy.
>>74384030
Just be a Protestant. Ignore the dumb shit and stick with the Gospel.
Was Luther right?
An analysis of the development of Catholic dogma makes it seem like theyre just changing goalposts when convenient.
Scripture and tradition weren't held to the same level until 1070 and the bible directly says that there is nothing that needs to be added or removed from the words of Christ. Where does this authority come from if Jesus says the bible is perfect to follow and a good example?
Papal infallibility wasn't a thing until 1870?
There's no direct biblical basis for half of what Catholicism bans. The whole thing with contraception is based on one passage on OnAn that's misunderstood. Onan pulls out to deny his dead brothers widow a son and her rightful inheritance (was custom at the time) and God kills him for being selfish. I don't know where the Catholic church gets the ability to change whatever they want when they are a church of men.
This is coming from a struggling catholic too.
>>74383933
i used to take that train
>>74383891
I don't believe in "the church", I believe in the Lord my God Jesus Christ. Tell me where Christ says "other people who live after Peter and the other original apostles will have special authority in dictating to other people exactly how the words of other people most of them never saw are to be interpreted, and anyone who disagrees thou shalt call a heretic and spout empty rhetoric at".
>>74381355
>quoting Daily Caller
>Pope Francis argued that Jesus’ call to spread the Gospel differs little from the jihad waged by radical Islamic terrorists.
He did not.
>the rest
His views based on how he views the situation.
He's the first strongly pro-immigration pope we've had in a long time and it's fair to disagree with him.
Stop judging your church by your pope and realize there's more than transcends him. Hell, everything you should be heading to the church for transcends him.
>>74384049
>How ignorant can you be of the history of the Church to believe there is no spirit of conquest?
Not by the sword.
>How ignorant can you be of the Bible that you're offended by the Vicar of God haranguing against the greed of the rich?
Because he's a proxy for envy by the masses. Envy is one of the 7 deadly sins.
Plus he's fucking wrong about how money is driving these people to join ISIS. Some do but many do not. He's a Westernized fool.
>>74384035
But even then, the true Truth must be brought to you through tradition. There is no other option. As I said, religions MUST appeal to tradition, because anything else crumbles theologically. Not everything that appeals tot radition is true, but what is true must appeal to tradition. All beliefs are dogmatic. All of them are based on unchanging principles that define them. With tradition, the revealed truth is brought to you. Without tradition, you just make something up.
>>74384155
Protestants seem so boring. Sticking only to the gospel? Come on, you need tradition.
Like, ... I see Christ as a warrior in a way. He went thru hell and back (literally), for us. Why are most Christians taught to act like pussies?
>>74384264
tell me who says what Christ says.
>>74384273
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility
That is why you should fear him.
>>74384182
artificial contraception is banned
"natural" one not so much
>>74384328
>the Truth must be brought to you through tradition
Nonsense. For all you know, God created you with all your current memories one seconds ago, and there was no "tradition" involved in your faith whatsoever, since *nothing* existed prior to then.
>>74384357
The Bible.
>>74384372
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcge7eppKo4
>>74384372
Don't be stupid, Anon. Papal Infallibility is a power his office can exercise and there is a formal manner in which it's displayed, not a passive power of his office. This has ZERO to do with his infallibility.
>>74384442
And who says what is included in the Bible and what isn't? And are you saying that there was no Chrsitianity until there was a Bible? And that Christianity spread throught spreading or quoting a million sources they magically copied?
>>74384418
Yes, the Truth must be brought through tradition because it must be revealed, and then it can only reach you through tradition. You can spin everything aaall you want, but that isn't going to change
>>74384398
Why though? NFP is more effective than condoms and people perform it with the same intent. To not have kids but to make love.
Sure the chance is still there but technically condoms are more likely to fail than NFP so what's the difference? I don't buy the natural vs artificial because the intent is the same.
>>74384284
>Not by the sword.
"If any one of the race of the Saxons hereafter concealed among them shall have wished to hide himself unbaptized, and shall have scorned to come to baptism and shall have wished to remain a pagan, let him be punished by death." - Charles the Great, by the Grace of God Holy Roman Emperor, Anno Domini DCCLXXXII
>>74384613
>and who says what's included in the Bible and what isn't
Nobody but God.
>>74384613
I explained to you exactly how it could be the case that tradition isn't necessary by providing an example wherein it isn't. That's a fact.
>>74384030
Come and see. They have to have minty fresh churches there.
>>74384708
Given the previous poster, historic use of the sword doesn't really relate to what he's speaking about. Good call though.
>>74383867
who is this fluid druid
that's why u should chose to attend latin mass, which is not practiced by the modern catholic church. do not support the modern catholic church. this pope is a traitor and nothing more.
>>74381355
>The initial problems are the wars in the Middle East and in Africa
Literally the entire history of these regions is war, strife and conflict. The Pax Romana was probably the only time ever that the Levant wasn't being fought over.
>>74384763
>Nobody but God.
Then, please, quote the part of the Bible where it is stated what is part of the Bible.
>>74384763
I don't see any example, just something about memories and me being created a second ago, something that obviously hasn't happened. And even if that happened, the Truth would have been revealed to me, and it would be spread to others through tradition. And you'd better have some proof that the Truth has been personally revealed to you
>>74382763
>leaf
>calling anyone a cuck
>>74384708
It's the current year, anon. Not the middle ages.
I'm sure this is a legit report of what he actually said. This time for real.
Pope says gay marriage is from satan
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/pope-francis-same-sex-marriage-move-father-lies-total-rejection-gods-law
Pope Francis speaks against Gay adoption
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2013/12/pope-francis-shocked-by-gay-adoption-urges-bishop-to-speak-against-it-boldly/
Compares trans rights to nuclear arms race
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/pope-francis-compares-arguments-for-transgender-rights-to-nuclear-arms-race-10061223.html
Pope Francis says that there's no salvation outside the Church
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2013/06/03/pope-francis-is-under-attack-for-saying-that-outside-the-church-there-is-no-salvation-its-a-poke-in-the-eye-says-one-presbyterian-why-hes-wrong/
He excommunicates an Australian priest supporting gay marriage and women clergy
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/24/pope-francis-excommunicates-priest-greg-reynolds_n_3983059.html
Pope Francis is against gender theory and for traditional gender roles
http://ncronline.org/blogs/francis-chronicles/pope-francis-gender-theory-problem-not-solution
Pope is against abortion
http://www.lifenews.com/2015/09/23/pope-francis-on-abortions-innocent-victims-its-wrong-to-look-the-other-way-or-remain-silent/
He Encourages the use of force against ISIS
http://www.businessinsider.com/pope-francis-endorses-use-of-force-against-isis-in-iraq-2014-8
Pope Francis is against lukewarm "faith"
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-off-the-cuff-to-priests-religious-indifference-makes-god-vomit-69700/
The Pope is misquoted often
http://www.christianpost.com/buzzvine/7-times-pope-francis-was-misquoted-132679/
The Pope Rebukes Communist Cross
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/bolivia/11729834/Pope-rebukes-Bolivias-President-Evo-Morales-for-gift-of-crucifix-mounted-on-hammer-and-sickle.html
>>74384961
Nowhere. I take it on faith. It's axiomatic in nature - it's a starting point of reasoning. "The Bible contains revealed Truth".
>>74384961
If God created you one second ago, with all your current memories, you could not possibly have your faith "because of tradition", since there would be no tradition to even *SPEAK OF*, since nothing existed prior to you but God.
Since you would *STILL BELIEVE* (at least I hope you do) that Christ is mankind's salvation, tradition would be *completely* unnecessary as a logical fact given you can believe the very same things without there ever even having been a real past and thus a real tradition.
>>74384961
>And you'd better have some proof that the Truth has been personally revealed to you
Ask your church "leaders" the same thing in regard to who things were originally revealed to, and how they could possibly incontrovertibly *know* that.
>>74385210
>I take it on faith. It's axiomatic in nature - it's a starting point of reasoning. "The Bible contains revealed Truth".
Faith on what? What source do you use for that list of books? Or have you personally read all existing books and selected those that you considered to be good enough? Enough of this nonsense, you just follow what the Church has brought to you, but like a spoiled child, you take what is convenient and then rebel against them.
>If God created you one second ago, with all your current memories, you could not possibly have your faith "because of tradition", since there would be no tradition to even *SPEAK OF*, since nothing existed prior to you but God.
Since you would *STILL BELIEVE* (at least I hope you do) that Christ is mankind's salvation, tradition would be *completely* unnecessary as a logical fact given you can believe the very same things without there ever even having been a real past and thus a real tradition.
>And even if that happened, the Truth would have been revealed to me, and it would be spread to others through tradition. And you'd better have some proof that the Truth has been personally revealed to you
But another problem you have is that my memories include who gave that knowledge to me. If God wanted to reveal knowledge to me, first it would be spontaneous knowledge I have, not being able to remember a source. And second there would be some strong proof.
Saying Christ is mankind salvation isn't enough, since you need to know what Christ's teachings are. And even the simple fact that Christ is mankind's salvation comes to you through tradition
>>74385369
My church leaders don't claim that truth has been revealed to them, they just follow tradition. Things were originally revealed to the apostles and tehe most early Christians, which by the way didn't have a Bible, but shared the Truth through tradition.
>>74382288
You're talking about how its logic is circular
I for one realise we're far beyond the need to be intellectually consistent
We're heading for a war and we need every damn traditional non-suicidal Christian we can get
having to state sins directly to a person is the stupidest fucking shit ever
I can't believe people think there's merit in it
>>74385572
No source. It's there. I have it. I take it on faith that it conveys Truth. You do *the exact same thing* except you're far more dishonest about it, since you pretend believing what other people tell you about its past is true, and what those people were saying itself was true, etc, until you reach whatever final notch in the temporal line you want in which you say "and finally, after all the tiers of testimony I've gone through - all of which were true (no doubt!) - we've reached what incontrovertibly happened; which, conveniently, is exactly what everyone else has said it was (how could it not be!)."
>>74385572
>But another problem you have is that my memories include who gave that knowledge to me
Which would objectively be wrong, since those people never existed. So you may *BELIEVE* other people helped pass revealed Truth to you through tradition, but it would be an *OBJECTIVELY WRONG* belief, which *STILL* instantiates the *FACT* that you can believe in revealed truth without appealing to tradition, since you don't have to believe *anyone else* to believe there is a revealed Truth.
>the pope defending terrorism
This is like one of my final fantasy video games
>>74385762
>My church leaders don't claim that truth has been revealed to them
I don't even imply they do.
But tell me how you know - incontrovertibly (since that's what dogma means) - that things were originally revealed to the apostles.
>>74385799
That's incredibly anti-rationalistic. I probably wouldn't enjoy your company.
>>74381355
You know the truth now
>>74385836
What are you even talking about?
>>74385897
Yes, you have it because someone gave it to you. Again, you have faith in the things that tradition has given you. You just somehow pretend that your Knowledge has magically appeared in your head.
About its past?So we shouldn't trust tradition? Then why trust the Bible not being corrupted? Why trust the people who compiled it (the Church)? Why trust whoever tells us those books are inspired?
Of course they must be true, because revealed Truth must be protected. You are just a hypocrite that labels some thins as infallible but refuse to accept the infallibility of the people who created those things.
Don't think I don't notice how you don't answer my questions.
>>74381355
Have American Catholics ever taken the Pope seriously? The country was founded on the principal of not listening to some faggot's opinions an ocean away. Just do what is right based on the teachings of the bible.
>>74381355
>fear of ISIS is not justified
>warped moral equivalence to the Gospel
>wealth inequity is why radical Islam exists, not because faith can be a de-facto primer for terrorism
>tfw the Church is being run by a Marxist Catholic and the Vatican is enabling him
I wonder who could be behind this?
>>74386283
You'd be alive to enjoy it for one
>>74386349
This
God is a Jew lie
Christianity, Judaism and Islam are three heads of the same Semitic hydra. No worthwhile European should be following any of them in 2016.
>>74386128
I don't think you have read what I said. The point is that there would be no reason for those people to be in my memories.
But as I have said:
>And even if that happened, the Truth would have been revealed to me, and it would be spread to others through tradition. And you'd better have some proof that the Truth has been personally revealed to you
>>74384539
How come it wasn't implemented until 1870? It just seems convenient that they can use it at command. Like "okay, I wasnt perfect then, but now I am"
If the pope is a man, he is fallible.
The bible says Christ is The head of the church and it says very little after that and some of it even appears to condemn the idea of An earthly papal seat. Look at how Jesus treated the Pharisees who claimed they did things on behalf of god. Authority is important but the way orthodoxy keeps tradition seems more biblical imo>>74384539
>>74386424
>someone gave it to me
No, they didn't. God created me 2 seconds ago with Bible in hand. That's a perfectly logically consistent possibility, in which case there's no tradition/other people involved of which to even speak.
>so we shouldn't trust tradition
You can trust *whatever you want*, but if it's inconsistent with logic I'm going to reject it, and dogma is illogical due to constraints on human thought that necessarily leave us with the possibility that all claims outside soft solipsism could be wrong.
>Of course they must be true, because revealed Truth must be protected
p1) Something must be true if it must be protected
p2) Revealed Truth must be protected
---------
c) Therefore revealed Truth is true
That's a nonsense argument.
>>74386546
Life isn't about enjoyment, so I can't say I care.
>>74386410
having to confess sins directly to a person is a catholic thing
Protestants rejected that and think you can just confess directly to god without an intermediary
>>74386629
It was put into some paper then, doesn't mean it hasn't always applied.
Again, papal infallibility applies to dogma, when the pope speaks ex cathedra, doesn't mean the pope is literally perfect. And the way orthodoxy keeps tradition is exactly the same, giving authority.
> ITT: retards failing at reading comprehension
The Pope isn't saying you shouldn't fear ISIS. He's anti-ISIS, obviously. He's saying the "idea of conquest" ISIS is claiming to take from Islam is actually very similar to early christianism.
Not all muslims want to conquer the world "ISIS style" and most of their will to expansion is actually the same pacific proselytism the first christians did.
The Pope is just pointing out the first Christians went everyone in the Roman Empire and beyond to convert as much people as possible. Muslims are doing the same. The fact ISIS is using violence doesn't mean every muslims will use violence.
>>74386917
>He's saying the "idea of conquest" ISIS is claiming to take from Islam is actually very similar to early christianism.
Yes, he's telling us
>well, they're no different from us
Which is a stance of neutrality, something you shouldn't do against a warring religion.
>>74386603
>The point is that there would be no reason for those people to be in my memories
There doesn't have to be.
You could believe God revealed the entire Bible to you during a vivid acid trip, and that wouldn't require other people's input at all. It is *entirely logically possible* that tradition has *NOTHING* to do with someone's faith.
>>74386862
Please =! enjoyment anon
I see it as more of an eudaimonia
>>74386629
>If the pope is a man, he is fallible.
This is true. The church itself asserts this. I just asserted in the post you're responding to that this isn't a passive trait of the pope. Please read.
>How come it wasn't implemented until 1870?
It wasn't implemented formally until then, not that it wasn't made up on the spot.
>Pharisees
He condemned their sins, not their positions.
>>74386904
Oh confession - alright I get it.
I don't think it's necessary - I don't think (though I could be wrong) Catholics hold it as necessary either. They have it as a practice for other reasons than spiritual necessity.
>>74386917
This
>>74386995
>>74386862
pleasure*
>>74381355
Francis isn't Catholic, and he certainly isn't the pope.
Heretics can't be Catholic and they can't be the pope.
Daily reminder that /pol/ is a sedevacantist board.
>>74386982
A religion's nature is to conquer. EVERY religion. If converting wasn't part of the religion, it would have never managed to grow and become large enough to be called a religion.
So retards claiming muslims are evil because the Coran is telling them to convert people are extremely stupid since it's pretty much the same for every religions, Christanism included.
ISIS is using violence ? Big deal, many other groups in History did. The problem is those groups, not the religions as a whole.
>>74386810
>No, they didn't. God created me 2 seconds ago with Bible in hand. That's a perfectly logically consistent possibility, in which case there's no tradition/other people involved of which to even speak.
If that is your best defense... welp. Show me where are your several miracles and prophecies that show how you have been revealed the Truth. Also tell me why that has happened if the Bible and the teachings of the Church already exist. Your "perfectly logical consistent possibility" is garbage the moment you start attacking it.
>You can trust *whatever you want*
No, because trusting anything that isn't tradition is completely inconsistent theologically.
Without dogma you are someone with no beliefs, because you accept that there is nothing that defines your beliefs and is unchanging. Revealed Truth is unchanging.
>Something must be true if it must be protected
I mean divinely protected. Infallible, preserved through the years intact.
Or are you saying that the Truth that is revealed by God isn't true?
>>74386910
Via multiple bishops. Even the patriarch is more of a symbolic position where he is the "holiest among equals" or something like that.
I believe tradition is important but one man cannot be solely responsible for it. In the end people are placing faith in that tradition is true in the first place. You can't even have tradition without faith. Faith trumps all.
I see your point about it being written down at that point I time but why wouldn't Jesus mention this? Why would the early fathers who visibly saw and lived with Christ not confirm such a crucial aspect if they were to be the predecessors of the one true faith? This seems like too crucial of a point to have been missed for so long.
>>74386995
"Well being" isn't a concern either. The only thing worth anything in life is what God says is worth anything, which is obeying Him.
>>74383145
Orthodoxy is the church as it was intended to be straight from the Disciples. Nothing needs to be justified, Christianity is about Christ and that church is directly liked to him and no other. Historically Orthodox has been the freest to corruption; Catholics have had many bad popes (including this one) and protestants make up their own interpretations which can end up in as hate groups (westboro) or complete cucks (Swedish Lutheran). The tradition in necessary to keep things as they are because as I've said when people start making their own rules bad shit happens.
>>74387261
Who the fuck cares. Christianity isn't trying to destroy towns right now, so that argument way moot.
>>74386990
There has to be because everything that isn't necessary has a cause.
I'm going to quote myself again, since, somehow, you ignore it again and again:
>>And even if that happened, the Truth would have been revealed to me, and it would be spread to others through tradition. And you'd better have some proof that the Truth has been personally revealed to you
>>74387261
Nice try Mohammed
How did a fucking commie from Argentina get elected in the first place?
>>74387261
Christianity converts via example/spreading the word and gives you a choice, Islam converts by the sword and gives you no choice; the two are completely fucking different.
>>74387261
The Coran also tells them to slay all unbelievers, many times. ISIS is the most islamic group you will find.
>>74387311
So you think patriarchs are literally perfect
>>74387377
You apparently can't understand words.
>>74387283
>Show me where are your several miracles and prophecies that show how you have been revealed the Truth
Where are yours?
>Also tell me why that has happened if the Bible and the teachings of the Church already exist
p1) If the Bible and teachings of the church already exist now at time state 1, someone can't possibly have false memories of them as having existed in a prior time state
p2) The Bible and teachings of the church exist now at time state 1
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c) Therefore, it is not possible that someone has false memories of them (the Bible and teachings of the church) as having existed in a prior time state
That is such amazingly garbage logic. Like, literally third-grader-tier logic.
>>74387664
>french
Oh, wait, nvm. I should have understood where the cuck talk was coming from.
>>74381355
>trusting the "Pope" post-Vatican II
Son, you just got MASON'd.
>>74387599
>Islam converts by the sword and gives you no choice
That's actually completly wrong historically. Christianism as a very well known past of not tolerating heathens while Islam as always accepted other religions with the concept of Djizia (religious tax). So retards will complains about evil Muslims forcing you to pay or convert but it's still better than burn or burn.
>>74387306
There is nothing contradictory about well-being and following God
In fact it should follow that God wants us to enjoy our gift of life
Otherwise the repentant ones (whom would be given the gift of eternal life) would have every reason to hasten their deaths
assuming sola fide, that is
>>74381355
The church has been taken over. That man is the anti-pope.
Smart Catholics would do well to distance themselves from him or call for his ousting.
>>74387283
>No, because trusting anything that isn't tradition is completely inconsistent theologically
So Peter was completely inconsistent theologically for believing the miracles, life, wisdom, and prophecies of Christ that you believe unfolded *right before his eyes* actually did happen, since he didn't rely on anyone else's tradition in believing so.
You're fucking brilliant Spaniard.
>>74387849
>isistypingpost.jpg
False pope. Jesus didn't advocate terrorism. He said to spread the good news through word and example.
>>74387690
>Where are yours?
I don't claim to have been revealed Truth personally.
>someone can't possibly have false memories of them as having existed in a prior time state
Not me, but everyone, and the fact that you can find them everywhere, from all times. Also, why would I have those memories? Also, with just a Bible, I don't have nothing, I don't have teachings, interpretation, nothing. With just a Bible you just get a million protestant denominations.
>>74387777
Nice get
>>74387311
>nothing needs to be justified
Your assertion being a fact needs to be justified, actually. Otherwise anyone with a brain won't take it as necessarily being true.
>>74387762
it's a fucking algerian stay correct with us you fag
>>74381355
Hey idiots
Look at church history
There have been plenty of bad Popes
But just because Francis is a liberal who has terribly stupid things doesn't mean he still isn't pope or the church is invalid
We have had plenty of bad presidents but they were still presidents and the idea of America is still there
Dogmatically Francis has not contradicted infallible church teaching
Learn about Vatican II. Arm yourself with the truth
Keep on keepin on
Recognize and resist modernist errors
If you are going to drop your Catholic faith over one pope you are a
FUCKING
HERETIC
>>74381355
maybe this is the beginning of the islamic roman alliance in the islamic books?
>>74387451
>everything that isn't necessary has a cause
Only God is necessary. God can directly cause revelation. No tradition necessary whatsoever. You already believe that in regard to the men in the Bible, and there's no way you could coherently *not* believe that as a Christian.
Pray the Lords prayer in Matthew 6:9-18 and ask Jesus Christ to show you and repent your sins, and mean it from your heart.
Afshin Javid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2-L1KIU7lao
Ian MacCormack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CsbQeCYJ0Do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N1-ezZ9hkD8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WLoc1yDYzlo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HbTAmN4m2lQ
Bill Wiese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoYCUtIRP30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G13ArSGr4es
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7rQow8NzZo Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX3Ow_VEkuM Part 2
Tamara Laroux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HGQDkCi-OIY
Mickey Robinson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xRSjzY0s0SM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=s66DchGhhD0
Howard Storm Atheist Professor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8vj0qKthCgg
Atheist Dr. Donald Whitaker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=X54dYbfCSR4
A dying mans last message
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TeE2xg3REtA
Ex-satanist confession
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6l7A4cQHxuY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZOj76xrG62k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BY6xD4dl1x8
Ugandan Pastor Shocked he would not enter Heaven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nnM_NtZfQTM
Orthodox Priests in a cave monastery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FcvPDNz9xHo
>>74388076
>algerian without le moon flag
Fuck you. Post says you're French, you're frencg you cuck bastard
>>74388110
>We have had plenty of bad presidents but they were still presidents and the idea of America is still there
leader over a country =/= figurehead of a religion
>>74387929
Jesus gave them the Truth directly. they witnessed those events, they were given the strong proof, the miracles and prophecies I mentioned earlier >>74387283
I have already talked about all the cases you try to pretend contradict anything I ahve said.
Also, it's surprising how you try to place yourself at the same level as Peter, you must be filled with pride.
>>74381355
Christ is a beautiful lie.
>>74388221
cocksucker, even your wife's son is ashamed to call you step daddy
>>74384030
Orthodoxy is so unbelievably redpilled. They are literally /pol/ on everything except the Nazis.
>Hate Jews
>Hate Muzzies
>Against Gays, Trannies, and all forms of degeneracy
>Strong Traditional Beliefs
>Beautiful churches and even more beautiful music
>The most wonderful people you will ever meet
I live in fucking PORTLAND, but the people at my church are like something out of Russia. Orthodoxy best Christian sect.
>>74388256
The Pope is the leader of the Catholic Church and he has said nothing that defies established dogmatically defined church teaching
The pope is just a man and can have wrong opinions on issues like he does now
BUT
If Francis says…the church says this dogmatically but I think that is wrong then he has made himself a formal heretic and is outside the church
Francis is simply a material heretic because he believes what he is saying is in line with the church and established church teaching…his opinions are wrong but they do not yet conflict with dogmatic law
The Pope's job is to defend church tradition and he is doing a poor job at that because he is saying things that are just confusing and wrong
But he has not done any of this dogmatically
>>74381355
If you don't agree, you're just a fag.
>>74388153
I know. You having pointless falses memories about knowledge being passed to you isn't.
When there is direct revelation through Jesus there are miracles, prophecies, really strong proof. You have neither of them. All these millions of protestant leaders claiming how now the true Truth has been revealed to them personally amuse me.
>>74387451
The possibility of "Spreading to others" has nothing to do with *THE* *LOGICAL* *FACT* that you can come to revealed truth *WITHOUT* tradition. I've ignored that because it's a non-point to everything I've said.
Let me break it down to you like I've been doing, the nonsense logic you're trying to use.
p1) If God revealed Truth to me directly, it would still be tradition because it would ("would", a term that implies inevitability, in which there is not necessarily one at all in this case) spread
p2) (Assume as a hypothetical) God revealed Truth to me directly
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c) I still relied on tradition because the revealed Truth would spread
What nonsense.
>>74388408
Don't forget anti-globalism
My church talks about masons and their NWO all the time
>>74388408
Orthodox are heretics
They got butthurt over church leadership and bailed. They can add nothing new to doctrine which is why you like them. But at the same time they are completely frozen in the past because they have no central authority figure who can make ultimate decisions.
You are also ignoring their role as slaves to the KGB during the Soviet era where they were corrupt as heck
Pope Francis is literally the worst pope in Church history.
The second I saw him kiss (lick) the feet of a Somalian infidel illegal immigrant I realized that Catholicism is utterly fucked and only GOD can save us now.
We need another Crusade and we need it as soon as possible.
>>74384708
You may as well have quoted Ronald MacDonald. He would have just as much authority over Catholic dogma as anyone in the fucking HRE.
>>74387853
You're right - there isn't. But neither is "well-being" a necessary component or consequence of following God.
It does not follow from "God created us and holds existential Lordship over us, such that His commands to us constitute an objective ethos" that God wants us to enjoy our life. I think He does, but I'm virtually certain not in the way you think.
REJECT VATICAN II
>GO TO A CHURCH THAT SAYS THE LATIN MASS
REJECT VATICAN II
>GO TO A CHURCH THAT SAYS THE LATIN MASS
REJECT VATICAN II
>GO TO A CHURCH THAT SAYS THE LATIN MASS
>>74388702
Didn't you realize that God does not exist - at least not the anthropocentric God that the semites invented ?
>>74388618
When someone is revealed truth there are miracles and/or prophecies as proof.You must be really, really delusional to think you have been given revealed truth. No, you, like everyone since the Truth was revealed, work on tradition. And until you can show us those miracles and prophecies, your logical fact is garbage and a product of pride. And once you get revealed truth, since you don't believe in tradition, I guess you expect the same Truth to be revealed to ALL the people on Earth!
>>74388986
>Frenchmen who isn't a devout Catholic
You are a fucking disgrace to your ancestors
>>74388986
Sure anon, two thousand years of sacrifices and theology are wrong. But your cheap, special-snowflake fantasies surely are completely sound
>>74388213
Wow. Thank you. God bless you.
>>74388876
Of course he outright wants us to enjoy life
He just wants us to attain that well-being on our own merit
Well-being is not a necessary consequence, but it is a necessary aim of someone that is to follow God
>>74388682
You got it backwards there, my friend. It is the Catholics who are heretics, Rome tried to institute a Pope when none of the other churches wanted that. You don't need a Pope to interpret God's teachings. He doesn't know anything more than anyone else (Especially Francis the Cuck) Arguments over Papacy is what caused the schism in the first place.
St-malachy predicted he will be the last pope.
Vatican will soon burn and im not even mad.
>>74389237
>Jesus hands over the keys to Peter
>Pope doesn't have the authority to do what Jesus gave him the power to do
No
Go fuck yourself heretic
You Orthodox hipsters are the fucking worst. I expect it from the Eastern Europeans but you people are unbelievable
>>74388015
>I don't claim to have been revealed Truth personally.
No, but you believe someone else was. So show me how you know that as a logically indisputable fact.
>Not me, but everyone, and the fact that you can find them everywhere, from all times
What are you even saying here? I can't find a good way to read this in response to what I articulated as your logic in >>74387283
>>74389237
There are not several chruches. There is ONE Truth. Christ didn't create a building, or a regional institution, with a truth and dogma that changes depending on where you are.
>>74389253
If ISIS attacks Vatican it wouldn't be terrible aside from losing the beautiful architecture
I think it would cause a rebirth
And the best part would be that we get rid of our heretical modernist shitty Vatican II leadership
If Rome falls we will rebuild it 1000x over and all of Europe will tremble at a resurgence of traditional Catholicism
>>74388986
FUCKING DISGUSTING
I'm done with Protestantism. It's filled with redneck, stupid, hypocritical fuck ups who can't even make churches like Catholics.
>>74387261
The problem is not those groups, nor religions, not even violence as a tool.
The problem is that we can't defend ourselves against them for the sake of political correctness.
>>74387661
Only Jesus is perfect. The Patriarchs have a high understanding but no man is capable of being perfect and all men are corruptible. The church tradition is what I view as prefect, when the tradition is alter it become heresy. A good example would be the iconoclast, the Patriarch viewed is as the truth and a whole lot of bad happened; but when the church returned to it's traditions all was well again.
>>74387849
Dear god you're delusional.
1) Heretical Christianity is what killed all the heathens. A good example would be the northern crusade which was done by Catholics, funnily enough it is known as the one time Christians acted like Muslims. Orthodox Christians at the time tried to protect the pagans but were also killed in the process.
2) Making other religions pay a crushing tax is not tolerant. Also they hit that point after they've stabbed their way into a country. Nowhere in history have people converted to Islam without the aid of conquest.
3) Islam is only 'tolerant' (used loosely) of 'people of the book', pagans and fedoras are basically K.O.S.
>>74389429
Bleh, I meant the West Europeans vs. the East Europeans. Rome and West Europe had the pope, East Europe and Russia had Orthodoxy.
I worded it badly, I apologize.
>>74384915
Larkin Love
>>74389661
Then you shouldn't complain about bad popes, because nobody is good
>>74388567
>You having pointless falses memories about knowledge being passed to you isn't.
You're right; they're not necessary (though they're not necessarily pointless). Neither is your assertion that your church leaders are telling you the truth about the past though.
I don't think I've necessarily been given revealed Truth. I've been utilizing hypotheticals this entire thread. I don't work on tradition, as much as you'd like to insist I do.
>And until you can show us those miracles and prophecies
Even if I had them and could show you, it wouldn't make what I was saying true. And you can neither show me nor do anything other than tell me you're right without logical justification.
>>74389100
My ancestors invented the concept of Nation and nationalism
>>74389166
Keep telling yurself that Pedro but when Muhammed's cock will be in your ass, God's not going to help you
>>74389661
>when tradition is altered its heresy
The Assumption of Mary into heaven was dogmatically defined by the church in 1950
Is that heresy?
Of course not
This is the problem with Orthodox…nothing after the schism can be defined or clarified
So yes Orthodox are heretical scum
They have nice window dressing because they aren't dealing with a crisis of liberal leadership
But then again you wouldn't know anything about the problems with the Orthodox Church because all you know about them are
>muh beards
>muh robes
>muh conservatism
You understanding of this issue is weak at best.
Reconsider your heretical beliefs or risk burning in hell forever
>>74381355
We shouldn't fear them my brother.
THEY SHOULD FEAR US.
>>74389209
>of course He outright wants us to enjoy life
Find me a verse.
It's not a necessary aim, since if God were to command me to torture myself for all eternity I would do so - that would have nothing whatsoever to do with enjoyment. God is right no matter what He commands, and he doesn't necessarily have to command anything in particular.
>>74388986
I don't really understand why some /pol/acks are attacking Christianity. What good would it do?
Most if not all of the posters/viewers of this thread has ancestors who gladly fought to preserve Christianity because they solemnly believed it was the TRUTH that the World needs. They sacrificed to bring the Word to future generations and what do they get in return? Some neckbeard atheist or neo-pagan scumbag trying to divide and conquer White man's religion.
So friendly reminder that /pol/ is a Christian board and will always be.
>>74389804
The French Revolution was total dogshit
Genocidal tyrants overthrowing a legitimate established order centered on Christ
Open your eyes to the programming you have received
French Revolution was one of the greatest modern tragedies
>>74389638
>who can't even make churches like Catholics
What an absolutely *sublime* reason to have faith in something - "I like their buildings more".
Paul should have converted to Zeus worship instead of trying to convert those people who out-building'd his faith.
>>74390044
This.
>>74389783
>(though they're not necessarily pointless)
They are, and they are just a terrible part of the theories you came up with. A retarded theory that, even if true, wouldn't contradict anything I have said.
You need an authority telling you the Truth about the past, which is exactly how you got ALL the knowledge you have about God, Christ etc etc
Your hypotheticals don't contradict ANYTHING I have said, because tradition implies an starting point, and your problem is that we already have an starting point. And if something has to be added for some reason, you can be sure there will we strong proof that the Truth has been revealed to him, and of course there wont be mass false memories and sudden spontaneously created objects which actually hadn't existed before.
>And you can neither show me nor do anything other than tell me you're right without logical justification.
I have given you the reasons why religions MUST be based on tradition and must always appeal to tradition, since their truth must be brought forwards through tradition.
>Keep telling yurself that Pedro but when Muhammed's cock will be in your ass, God's not going to help you
Pretty sure you can find a really, really strong correlation between islam acceptance, damages caused by islam, and atheism.
>>74389911
>templars
Perfect example of why the Papacy is shit and corrupt to the core.
>>74389942
>since if God were to command me to torture myself for all eternity I would do so - that would have nothing whatsoever to do with enjoyment
You're telling me you wouldn't find satisfaction in following God, regardless of this, and more than any other enjoyment you could ever feel
[1]
>>74389638
Come home brother
Find a Catholic Church that says the Latin Mass
The way every mass was before the 1960s
We were fucking robbed of our tradition by fucking baby boomer priests
They betrayed us and God
>>74381355
Never trust a single thing you read in the media about the pope. Not one thing.
Follow that rule, it helps, because they will do everything they can to caricature him.
p.s. I loved Benedict so very very muk
>>74381355
>Trump says literally anything
>News all over it, putting it out of context
>The POPE OF THE FUCKING CATHOLIC CHURCH defends terrorists, shits on his own sacred scriture and goes full red
>nothing
I hate this world
Taste the cucking, Christians. God is punishing you for what you did to your chamber militant, the Templars. That was an egregious sin and you will be contrite as all hell about it when the Lord is done scourging you with Muslims and cucks.
>>74390406
>They are
In the hypothetical, God directly creates me or someone else with all their current memories. You say "it's pointless", but God wanted to do so, just like God wanted to create us or *anything else at all* for that matter. If you're going to insist God had no point in doing something He wanted to do, then you must simultaneously insist that everything is pointless, since *everything* is a consequence of God and what God wants in some sense.
>>74383681
Holy shit it's like you just took Intro to Philosophy.
I dib my fedora to you fine sir.
>>74390505
Point out on the doll where the priest touched you, Anon.
>>74389942
>>74390440
>Find me a verse.
>It's not a necessary aim,
I myself use two sources of revelation of God
One is the Bible. And the other is reason
The reasoning behind this I've explained here >>74387853
>God is right no matter what He commands, and he doesn't necessarily have to command anything in particular.
If there is no necessary fulfilment in following God, then we are no better than slaves; that is not my God and I cannot see how anyone would follow Him
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>>74390440
>satisfaction
>well-being
Woah. The goalposts keep shifting. I can't kick the ball in the net when you do that bro. I didn't know that was part of the rules either.
>>74390424
That was the faggot known as Philip IV's fault, not the pope.
The pope absolved all the leaders and the portuguese and spaniard orders carry their legacy.
>you will never be a warrior friar and purge Prussia of the pagans
>>74390044
5 years after overthrowing the "legitimate established order", we were rolling on Europe, changing its destiny forever. Louis XVI was a weak man and a traitor (instead of facing the Révolution like a true leader, he flew to join the ennemies of France).
Face it : the ancient order was outdated. The nobles had no legitimity, they were bad warriors and they were welfare leechs. The idea of a Nation is a lot stronger than the idea of a King (pic very related).
>>74390767
Trust not your own understanding.
>>74390721
Great argument.
>>74381355
This is why you should put your faith in God, not in a man.
The Pope is just a man. Catholics pretend he's something more but it's pure fantasy.
>>74389942
John 10:10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.
>>74390866
Your post was cringeworthy.
>>74390717
>In the hypothetical, God directly creates me or someone else with all their current memories.
In the hypothetical, god creates you with not only revealed knowledge, but pointless memories about receiving that knowledge. And not only you, but ALL the people who also had that knowledge and remembers getting it from someone else. And ALL the existing objects where those teachings are written.
There is a reason for everything God does, but you can be sure God has not done that.
>>74390881
He's all they got. They don't have Jesus. They have the "vicar" of Christ.
The Antichrist.
>>74390815
>changing its destiny forever
Yeah Napoleon was great
>get rid of Christian order
>spread the seeds of Jewish bolshevism everywhere
>be pawns of the illuminated freemasons
>cause the death of thousands
Wew m8
>>74390846
It's "lean not", but logic isn't one's own understanding - it's a foundation of the reality God put us in.
>>74390803
Can't a man keep having fun? Let's broaden it up a bit
>>74390958
>>74390767
I'm perfectly fine with being a slave to my Creator. God promises something I interpret a but nicer than slavery, but even if my God were tyrannical He would still be my God.
>>74390982
No, it isn't. It's your own understanding of that reality.
Don't trust it.
>>74389973
>I don't really understand why some /pol/acks are attacking Christianity. What good would it do?
Christiannity cucked my Nation and the whole western world. It's part of our Western culture but its dogma are outdated.
>So friendly reminder that /pol/ is a Christian board and will always be.
Keep dreaming my burger friend. The very concept of 4chan is extremly heretic
>>74390815
The nobility was indeed outdated but the King sure as he wasn't. Proof is that Napoleon and Louis XVIII single handly made France what it was ,not the Republics.
We should have kept a Parliament monarchy or something.
>tfw Urban II will never descend from Heaven, kill this cuck Francis and declare another crusade
>>74390920
Is there anything wrong about it, Tyrone?
>>74391072
It's heresy if you accept the Catholic church's definition of heresy, which is "anything against the Catholic church".
I'm honored to be such an heretic.
>>74391076
He's not your God, and you're not His son. Not yet.
>>74390948
>pointless
You're calling God's intentions pointless.
>you can be sure God has not done that
Yeah? Enlighten me how I can be sure.
1 John 1:5
God is light, and in him, there is no darkness at all
>>74391135
Yes.
You can know, for sure, that everything God says is true. You can know, for sure, that everything in the bible is true.
Peter never went to Rome kek
>>74391085
>don't trust that God gave us a means to distinguish truth from falsity
Heh. That's *really* funny to hear.
>>74391257
Peter's bones were found in an ossuary in Jerusalem. They're still there.
But suddenly, within a year of the finding, the Vatican "found Peter's bones" in a catacomb.
>>74388110
>Dogmatically Francis has not contradicted infallible church teaching
My issue is he will augment Marxism to it. Like I said this has to have been going on for many years, festering and waiting.
>>74391190
Oh it's *YOU* LAMO
>>74391307
He is that means.
And you do not have Him.
>>74391357
Yup. The one telling you that you have the same beliefs about God as the devil does. Only weaker.
>>74390979
Napoleon planted the seed of nationalism everywhere in Europe. That's one of the best thing that ever happened to Europe.
>get rid of Christian order
It was outdated and it destroyed itself.
>spread the seeds of Jewish bolshevism everywhere
Bolchevism didn't exist back then mate
>be pawns of the illuminated freemasons
Not nearly as much as the American Revolution. And the Freemasons were based back then so who cares
>cause the death of thousands
You don't make omelettes without breaking some eggs
>>74391076
>I'm perfectly fine with being a slave to my Creator. God promises something I interpret a but nicer than slavery
So you would rather surrender your freedom, autonomy and sentience for some eternal gibs?
Disgusting
> but even if my God were tyrannical He would still be my God
Not a God worth listening to in this case
>>74391205
>You're calling God's intentions pointless.
No, I'm calling these particular petty excuses you just made up pointless
>>74391205
>Yeah? Enlighten me how I can be sure.
Because if God had revealed Truth to someone there would be miracles proving so, to begin with. Also, that is just a huge mass of pointless things.
>>74381355
>Reformation year 500
>Still licking popes feet
Wake up cucktholics
>>74391254
Enlighten me how you get around the fact that it's entirely possible that you exist as a brain in a vat.
>>74391407
Napoleon on Jesus:
I see in Lycurgus, Numa and Mohammed only legislators who, having the first rank in the state, have sought the best solution of the social problem but I see nothing there which reveals divinity...nothing announces them divine. On the contrary, there are numerous resemblances between them & myself, foibles and errors which ally them to me and to humanity.
It is not so with Christ. Everything in Him astonishes me. His spirit overawes me, and His will confounds me. Beside Him and whoever else in the world, there is no possible term of comparison. He is truly a being by Himself. His ideals and His sentiments, the truths which He announces, His manner of convincing, are not explained either by human organization or by the nature of things.
His birth and the history of His life; the profundity of His doctrine, which grapples the mightiest difficulties, and which is, of those difficulties, the most admirable solution; His Gospel, His apparition, His empire, His march across the ages and the realms, is for me a prodigy, a mystery insoluble, which plunges me into a reverence which I cannot escape, a mystery which is there before my eyes, mystery which I cannot deny or explain. Here I see nothing human. The nearer I approach, the more carefully I examine, everything is above me, everything remains grand—and of a grandeur which overpowers.
His religion is a revelation from an intelligence which certainly is not a man. There is a profound originality, which has created a series of maxims before unknown. Jesus borrowed nothing from our sciences. One can absolutely find nowhere, but in Him alone, the imitation or the example of His life.
>>74381355
>Cuckolics let a liberation theology priest become pope
He's going to announce his atheism any day now.
>>74391411
It is God who gives you freedom to begin with. And God what defines what is good or not, not your romantic ideas of "freedom".
>>74391504
By not being 16.
>>74391370
Brilliant. So believing in God means you're no longer bound by God's rules. You are one *SHINING* example of a Christian, you know that.
>>74390809
It was phillips idea but the pope was in on it.
He only absolved the other orders (not the templars) out of fear of revolt (specifically the teutons who were itching for a fight).
But its all good. De molay cursed them both with his last breath and within a year both the pope and king phillip were dead.
>>74391582
I said nothing about rules. I do not live by rules. I do not live by the Law of Sin and Death.
I live by the Law of Faith, and it is the only way to be alive.
And you are not there yet.
>>74391482
salvation through faith alone is retarded, too
>>74391405
Not much is weaker than the man who will tell you 2+2=/=4 whenever the actual truth is inconvenient for him bruh.
>>74391684
It's the only means to achieve salvation.
>>74391547
absolutely disgusting and heretical
>>74391692
I have never found the truth to be inconvenient, as I worship the Truth.
>actually being catholic
>actually having religion
>on the internet
>on 4chan
>in 2016
>>74382763
Fuck off canacuck
>>74391411
>eternal gibs
I don't need anything in return. God has already given me more than I deserve in simply creating me.
>the Lord my God, Creator of my very soul, would not be worth listening to if I didn't like what He was telling me
Brilliant.
>>74391751
He's already told atheists they can live by their consciences and go to heaven. It's just one more step to say that God is too merciful to cast anyone into hell.
Matter of fact, this pope wrote a book on the mercy of God, and relies only on this one attribute of God for his apostasy.
>>74391568
Hey faggot. Killing your friends is good.
By the way, this is God speaking so you know it's legit.
>>74391729
>be a shit person all your life
>but I prayed every day and remained faithful to God, therefore I'm saved
>>74391152
Is funny how atheist and protestant have almost the same argument to shit on the catholic church.
>>74391804
He did not create you just to throw you into hellfire.
Repent, and be saved.
>>74391913
Everyone is a shit person.
Nobody is saved based on not being a shit person.
>>74391121
>the King sure as he wasn't
Of course he was. He couldn't handle the Revolution, that alone makes him outdated.
Napoleon is the ultimate proof of that : he struggled to make it to the top, unlike a King, that's why he was one of the best leader France ever had. Don't forget that most of Napoleon's best generals (Ney, Lannes, Murat, Kleber, Masséna) were from poor or normal families, and they were the best because they had to struggle and to prove their values to make it to the top.
>>74381355
Helping out pedo's wasn't enough for you?
>>74391804
How do you explain how non-believers don't divinise their parents based on the exact same reasoning?
It just does not follow
