Wait, I don't get it. Redpill me on why you guys don't like Snowden
>>74329386
Most /pol/acks did until their Emperor Trump said he was a traitor and they were forced to fall in line like little ducklings behind momma duck.
What did snowden reveal again? Spying agency spies? K.
Because /pol/ is an echo chamber for far right authoritarian bootlicking neckbeards whose opinions are easily swayed by whatever meme is popular at the time.
After le God emperor meme /pol/ became a pro Jew, pro government shithole.
>>74329639
/pol/ doesn't want a nanny state, but wants to ban things that are "degenerate"
Endangering the security of the nation in the name of "freedom" is traitorous.
>>74329386
He released nothing new other than the names. There are public court records from 2002 that show what the NSA was doing. Iff vs att. And many whistleblowers like william binney.
If you were surprised by snowden revelations you were not paying attention.
>>74329515
This, the cult of Trump dictates the trumpbots mind.
>>74329597
>>74329639
WALL
>>74329515
>>74329749
True...
>>74329386
I don't like snowden because he's got a "Hero complex" with is leak.
>>74329639
BUILD
snowden is a patriot
>>74329386
?
I'd vote for Snowden over anyone running for president. At least he's honest.
/pol/ isn't one person, maple nigger.
>>74329912
He's a shill
>>74329386
I think he's a patriot, and should be exonerated of all charges.
>>74329749
>banning things that are 'degenerate'
>not a nanny state
Pick one and only one
>>74329912
>>74329884
>meme intellectuals
>>74329386
>Be snowden
>"reveal" shit that the MSM reported on years before
> run off to china and russia to sell state secrets
>end up as putins bitch
Gee, I don't know OP
>admiring Soros controlled opposition
>>74329386
>Everyone thinks he's a hero.
>Even Hollywood who's making a movie glorifying him.
>B-but you're just a Trumpkin!1
You know something's up when even the Jews are trying to make him look good.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YNESMafb5ZI
Kek
>>74330109
>Mexican intellectuals
Not an argument.
>>74330127
Nice swallowing the establishment's jizm moron. Snowden was traveling to Europe then to Latin America. They fucked up by cancelling his passport while he was in a Russian airport so he couldn't fly. He didn't bring any documents or classified info with him, he gave them to journalists to vet.
>>74330537
Then why did Russia take him in? Just out of the kindness of their hearts?
>>74331284
To make warmonger babydick Americans like you foam at the mouth furiously.
>>74330512
Yes, that is my point.
>>74331284
Because our administration hates Snowden, we're in a cold war with Russia.
>>74331479
Not an argument
>>74331488
sure.
>>74331488
>>74331479
>mexican calls me a babydick
snowden is a national hero you faggot. Go die in a igloo collapse for thinking otherwise
>>74331736
>>74331755
You people are morons.
>>74329386
/pol/ does like Snowden and always has. There's just a few shills/newfags here that don't. If you'd been here more than a few months you would know this.
>>74329386
He's a Russian intelligence asset.
>revealed GILGAMESH in detail, explaining how the NSA was upgrading drones to hack cellphones in Pakistan as part of the drone war.
>He goes to Russia, few months later Kaspersky, a Russian security firm, comes out with the discovery of the Equation Group, a set of firmware-level hacking tools, likely from NSA, that were called "the most sophisticated hacking software in the world". Snowden made no comment on the event.
>Kaspersky claimed to have been investigating it for "years" but other experts linked it to IRATEMONK, a program disclosed by the Snowden leaks.
>>74329515
Pretty much this.
>>74329639
>>74329639
t. Mexican Intellectual
>>74332727
It's important to note that Equation Group wasn't a Dragnet tool, it was used about 500 times worldwide.
>>74332540
>just a few shills/newfags
>just a few
>a few
Looks at this thread, m8. There's more than just a few.
>>74329386
Trump said he's bad
Because the guy handed the documents to the fucking shill media, if he was really red-pilled it would have all gone on the internet at once.
>>74329386
He's a double agent, works for Soros and sits on foundation boards.
he is what you call a DEEP agent, as in deep inside Putin's ass.
>>74332540
You are the newfag.
Oldfgs knew everything he released. 2002 att case exposed NSA spy rooms at major interchanges.
If you were paying attention 15 years ago then snowden was nothing new. The only thing new was that the media picked it up and that obama acknowledged it.
>>74332973
Like this. Info like this serves only to make it easier for terrorists to identify American intelligence agents in hostile environments. Has nothing to do with our civil liberties, now helps terrorists and other nationstates
>>74329386
I dont if I should like him considering he is kinda on PC side as well as Russian side. Yes he did some good thing for our bad government but then he went Russia, another authoritarian regime?
It seemed like a controlled leak to me, he didn't give away anything that wasn't already known. As in to test the waters whether the American public cared about the whole thing.
>MAN FREEDOM LMAO!
>runs away to Russian
literally an hypocrit
>>74330168
this
>>74333468
What good did he do?
He released old info
>>74332311
The cold war has been over for decades, moron. The only people that think otherwise are the same idiots that want to go to war with them again. Fuck off, cuck.
>>74329386
https://youtu.be/uCtoDnciWQI
>>74333584
Mb some awareness that we are being watched? But still as >>74333517 says he became total hypocrite after going to Russia
>>74329386
Don't really care for him. More of a meme. He just told us all what we already knew, but had evidence to back it up.
because trump doesnt like him duh
>>74329386
news to me
Snowden is worshipped by leftists because he exposed how the mean old american government "abuses" our captured terrorists(waterboarding)
Not only is snowden a traitor hes a cucked faggot traitor as well
>>74329386
some people dont like him because in order to get protection from russia, he probably had to give them some valuable info.
these are the same people that wouldnt do anything to safeguard him instead
my problem is he dropped things way too slow and only through one faggot, so the news got stale and people lost interest
but you cant stay mad at someone who validated the things you were once called "crazy" for
>>74329386
Because Trump said we shouldnt
>>74333265
So what you are debating here is whether it has happened before or not?
>>74333468
His destination wasn't Russia, the US government invalidated his passport as he arrived to Russia, probably to lessen the confidence of people like you as you're doing right now
http://tarpley.net/2013/06/19/how-to-identify-a-cia-limited-hangout-operation/
>>74333741
His "revelations" also pushed cryptography upto 20 forward.
He exposed how corrupt the American government is, but then then ran away and hid under the protection of an even more corrupt government, which is hilariously hypocritical.
>>74329825
Fuck you cuckold
Revealing that the gov't spies on its own people only endangered the gov't itself
>>74329386
because reddit likes him
>>74333501
> he didn't give away anything that wasn't already known
yeah he did...
>>74332727
>>74332973
>>74333287
>>74333487
DELETE THESE NOW
NOW GODDAMNIT
>>74329515
First post best post.
I can't wait until this election is over. If Trump wins /pol/ is going to be fawning over the president like boot lickers for the first time ever.
>>74333969
In the 90s hackers had discovered the government had put back doors in all kinds of hardware and software.
People forgot, as usual.
>>74334032
lol anyone looking to use this information had it years ago
>>74334067
>In the 90s hackers had discovered the government had put back doors in all kinds of hardware and software.
yeah wow that sounds like usable information. very specific and insightful. And im sure the software of the 90s is really comparable to the software of today
>>74334205
They never stopped.
>>74332727
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>>74334059
When Trump loses we're going to get some very entertaining asspain though.
>>74333880
There is no other nation in the world that would stop him from getting a bullet in sleep
also he didn't run to russia, he begged them for asylum after our country revoked his passport
>>74333909
>Revealing that the gov't spies on its own people only endangered the gov't itself
GET A LOAD OF THIS FAGGGGGGGOT
tell me, do you shed a single tear and hum the star spangled banner as a tsa agent fingers you?
>>74333603
Let's see, we have a massive increase in Russian military activity, first time since the first cold war Russian fleet is in the east Mediterranean, we have high espionage, ground proxy-wars between us, competition for world influence and resources. That's called a cold war you complete fucking idiot. I don't want to go to war with Russia, our government is full of psychopaths just like theirs.
>>74334205
Also it is.
Just this year hundreds of Linux distros were found to have a back door due to faults in C.
A lot of software and hardware is still being used today from the 90s thars no longer being officially supported.
>>74334345
that doesn't make this unknown info.
>whistleblower leaks information on dozens of NSA programs
>I already knew that if I didn't want to be hacked all i had to do was not use a computer so this is useless info.
lol how many of these do I have to post before we are all red-flagged?
Unless you can post the KFC recipe RIGHT NOW the clandestine warfare will continue
>>74334067
>hackers of the 90s
>knew about government programs instituted in the 2000s on modern equipment
>>74334503
I never said it wasn't known.
It was never made as big of a deal till he "leaked" it.
>>74334465
Not to mention nuclear preparedness drills up the wazoo.
>>74334524
>implying it ever stopped>>74334568
>>74334617
Didn't mean to click that second one.
>>74334568
no sorry I meant known. This info was unknown until he leaked it. You can speculate about the NSAs abilities, like you did but as I said
>>whistleblower leaks information on dozens of NSA programs
>I already knew that if I didn't want to be hacked all i had to do was not use a computer so this is useless info.
thats BS.
>>74334702
>>74329386
you can't consider yourself red pilled and dislike snowden
red pill is literally accepting the sometimes painful truth of reality
this site has become a circle jerk of trump like reddit has become a circle jerk of muh feelings
>>74334499
Everything has bugs, you dumbshit.
>>74334617
no one claimed it did
but comparing the extent and complexity of the spying across the technological generation is like saying "watching porn on your phone now is nothing big because I was typing '8008135' on my calculator 20 years ago"
also he took that info from "hackers in the 90s" to "every dinner table in the USA in 2010"
>>74334818
>like reddit has become a circle jerk of trump
>>74333775
No you fucking retarded beaner. The nsa/cia/fbi doesn't reduce survalience ever.
I said that the exact same surveilance was happening in 2002 per court documents compared to snowden.
Snowden released NO NEW INFORMATION
>>74329842
You're a fucking old ass man
>>74334756
btw Im posting these on codename quality alone. this isn't the TAO's best stuff. QUANTUM is cooler. you guys should google it.
>>74333287
How does information showing how the government collects all our metadata and has the technology/working on the technology to bypass all privacy not have to do with civil liberties? And what terrorists do you mean, the ones we set help set up like FSA and ISIS or the ones our "allies" Israel and Saudi Arabia sent to attack us with spook complicity, or some real ones? Am I wrong to expect some level of sanity or humanity from our government? Everything has consequences, ass-raping the constitution must have massive consequences.
>>74333603
>The cold war has been over for decades
Cold War will never be over until we're all destroyed or all but one remains. Don't be naive.
>>74329515
I supported and still do support Snowden. This is one of my few disagreements with Trump
>>74334890
you lost me, I didn't say
>like reddit has become a circle jerk of trump
Snowden didn't reveal anything we didn't know already.
We knew the government was spying on people. We fucking knew it.
Snowden released information that we already knew, and then he sold sensitive information to China. This guy is a full blown traitor who tricked idiots into thinking he's some kind of a saint because he released information we already know. The real motivation for what he did was money.
This is like some releasing TOP SECRET information that police men shoot people unprovoked and then the guy who leaks this TOP SECRET EPIK information sells government information to Russia.
>>74335073
Those handsets are used in hostile environments. Because they don't look like surveillance equipment which will get you killed. Thats got nothing to do with their actions in the US. In the US they don't have to use that shit, they just collaborate with law enforcement
btw stop going to www.terrorist.com, TOR users.
>>74329639
>Because /pol/ is an echo chamber for far right authoritarian bootlicking neckbeards
Republicans usually don't like leakers. The only reason they like Snowden is because he went after Obama.
>>74329386
>controlled opposition
>>74335310
this ones really cool
>>74334059
until he turns for 360 degrees and /pol/ starts making YOU COULD HAVE PREVENTED IT threads
>>74334205
>im sure the software of the 90s is really comparable to the software of today
I'd say much of it was better quality personally.
>>74329386
He's CIA. What's not to loathe?
He's CIA playing inter-agency warfare against the NSA. So we get the CIA narrative once again in place of any semblance of truth, and the mass media lap it up like he's a hero for truth. Just look at who he gave the disks to: the fucking Guardian. The last people you'd dripfeed important information to if you wanted it spread objectively.
Why didn't he data dump it all online? I'd have believed his bullshit then a whole lot better. That;s what a real whistle blower "shocked and appauled" at the evil NSA would have done. But no, he's CIA, the whole thing is a controlled put-on designed to syphon budget money away from their only real competitor.
>>74334902
>snowden released no new information
It didn't if you are to treat this event only as a question on whether the government has done it before or not.
When did you get detailed information about what tools they use, the people they target and how they target them? You're arguing like a chimp because spying took place in the past.
>>74335543
depends on what capabilities you're comparing.
btw here's the replacement for my last pic. shit it might have already been upgraded again since snowden
How do you guys think the NSA replaced all these cool codenames? That would be a fun work-day tbqhcolleagues
>>74335645
>Why didn't he data dump it all online?
There was sensitive information that would ruin intelligence operations and endanger people was the reason he gave, I think. If he is what he says that makes sense, maybe he was wrong trusting it to incompetent journalists. (I dislike the gov, but I don't want our people dead. I wish our government would stop funding terrists that might work.)
>>74329515
t. Liberal cuck
>>74329386
Because in an attempt to prove his paranoid libertarian fantasies he stole top secret information that compromized many government employees and fled with this information to a government that is a true Orwellian surveillance state.
>>74335938
>ruin intelligence operations and endanger people was the reason he gave
Yes he sold this info to China and Russia.
Either this guy is a complete piece of shit, or this is just a CIA operation.
They want you to bicker over this Snowden bullshit. On one side you have dumbasses who think the guy's a hero for showing that government spies on people, the other side thinks he's an asshole for selling out his country to Russia and China.
This is pure dysinfo. It's divide and conquer tactics at work. They want to have this Skub character you bicker over.
>>74335645
lol where do you get this shit? EVEN WHEN SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS TO THE AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE AGENCY. IT MUST BE THE CIA's FAULT. HAHAHAHA You guys are outside of your mind.
>>74329386
at first I thought he was a good goy until I realized he told us nothing we didn't already know and wanted to flee to any number of our historical enemies. He's hardly a whistleblower, just another anti American cuck with his own agenda.
He's a CIA limited hangout.
It's all about how the intelligence agency wanted to make sure we knew they were watching.
There is more power in stopping us from sharing information because we fear being hunted than covertly shutting us down when we do.
The Arab spring was a solid example of this. Check that out and how information and its spread relates to social upheaval.
Stay frosty friends. You're playing with chess grand masters.
>>74335645
>>74336264
Woah, never thought of that scenario before. I assumed he went to China/Russia out of pure desperation. Where else in the world would he be kept safely?
>>74334400
>I like living in a totalitarian state, and you should too.
No thx my man
>>74336264
Actually what's happening is that Edward Snowden is an idiot who thinks he's a libertarian superhero but actually has no clue what the fuck he's doing.
>>74336264
>>74336531
you guys are adorable. you will find any angle, no matter what it is that makes you feel good about ignoring something and blaming the CIA for it all at the same time.
>>74336550
He was sent there by the government. The story that he was actually going to Mexico or whatever is complete bullshit to make it look like government stopped him and he just conveniently ended up in Russia where he's welcomed with open arms.
>>74336691
Keep sucking government dick, bootlicker.
>>74329639
>/pol/ became a pro Jew
They're a means to an end. Nothing more. Sometimes, you have to deceive someone before you stab them in the back.
>>74329515
/thread
>>74336747
>thinking he's allowed anything other than FSB approved laptops
>>74336773
>>74329386
I like Snowden, but prefer Assange.
>>74336691
have to throw one out
>disinfo shill
The government has a ton of incredibly gifted individuals that work in federally funded think tanks to solve incredibly complex problems and figure out the perfect direction for political maneuvers.
In my eyes it seems almost statistically impossible that a blunder like this wasn't a set up especially in how minor it really was yet how much it changed society.
>>74337006
>but I prefer*
>>74329386
These issues are always difficult to digest.
>>He was a traitor of the state. -Gave terrorists information about our programs, such as the NSA monitoring techniques, that terrorists learned from and now avoid. 1) This is hard, it's very easy for the government to say it has x devastating effect on our ability to monitor terrorists. They always say this, yet they refuse to offer any proof of how that's true. Were they brand new techniques that we should assume terrorists were not aware of and would have taken a while to figure out? What proof is needed by the government to prove this had a massive effect on our ability to monitor.
>>Will a whistleblower ever get treated with respect, if they come forward about such a leak, but stay for trails and hearings? Seems foolish to me, based on our history of poor reactions to whistle blowers in the past. Do we need to revisit the whistle blower laws?
>>74331284
It helps their view of the US government. It fits into their narrative. Just a press/propaganda opportunity by Putin/RT.
>>74337006
>>74337025
No, you're okay mexico. "but prefer" is correct. The subject is still "I" because you combined the clauses so you don't need to restate it.
Snowden is a brave man who will be validated by history. Our country needs ten thousand more of him
>>74337322
More CIA operatives?
>>74337008
>disinfo shill
ad hominem. Just because I'm paid to post online doesn't mean I'm wrong
>
The government has a ton of incredibly gifted individuals that work in federally funded think tanks to solve incredibly complex problems and figure out the perfect direction for political maneuvers.
Why exactly does this not mean that a guy can't sneak out info on spy programs and give them to the media?
And what's more likely, that the above happened, or that a bunch of old guys who wanted cushy jobs after leaving government decided it was best to dump a bunch of politically inflammatory intelligence info in the hopes that they get the response they are looking for, whatever it is.
>In my eyes it seems almost statistically impossible
Oh please post your statistical calculations...... I didn't know you had those id love to see them
Because he is part of the plan.
>tell sheeps murica is spying y'all phones
>:O t: sheep
>nothing happens
>make a movie about it aka if some people already forgot who this guy is, movie is great reminder "OH BTW WE SPY ON YOU AND YOU CAN DO NOTHING ABOUT IT" .
>Create fear to control masses
It's way too obvious. If they want him dead or captured they wouldn't make a movie that does not blackmail him or does not show NSA in a bad light.
>>74337584
interesting pics m8
actually had an adjunct part time professor (phd) who works at the nsa teach me discrete math last semester, literal hub of geniuses i swear to god
too fucking smart
them and their computers jesus fuck
>>74337916
thanks m8. all these other faggot offer no appreciation for the only person posting interesting pics ITT
>>74337801
yea this is my fear as well
>limited hang out to increase the fear of the panopitcon
>insert agent in foreign embassies
>>74337916
Also, yeah the NSA is full of smart people. The US intelligence community is the biggest employer of mathematics majors in the world.
>>74329515
First off... By definition he's a traitor
But what he did was a necessary kind of evil.
Had he turned himself in he could have been know as the hero we don't deserve. Every news agency would have been lining up to do interviews with him and he would have gotten his story out and could have started a real backlash and rise against the government. He would have been a martyr.
But instead he went down as the traitor who tucked his tail and ran. It doesn't help that he sought asylum in Russia who is demonized in the US as our ultimate enemies.
What trump said has nothing to do with /pol/'s views on Snowden.
>>74337584
So you admit you're a disinfo shill. Good, at least all cards are on the table now.
Listen bud, I can tell you're a smart guy but I don't think you're approaching my assertion with an open mind. I don't expect you to believe me; I don't expect you to not question me, but to be outright dismissive isn't constructive.
I'm not trying to glorify the government here, I'm not trying to say what's going on isn't a violation of our freedoms.
The point in trying to make is that there is much more to this than meets the eye.
Taking any news at face value is foolish. Taking one as rattling and peculiar as this is even more so.
That's why I'm taking the route which requires a little faith. It's based in solid logic in regards to why it would be done (ie Arab spring) but it certainly doesn't fit the conventional news story mould and stands to be proven rather than being the default which does put me in a precarious position in debates. In fact it stands as nearly impossible to prove, thus what I posted was more food for thought than a solid argument.
I'm inclined to believe the government is more competent than we realize to assume and you're inclined to believe the opposite, so I think naturally we will gravitate toward different opinions on this.
Anyways you're clearly invested in this so it's unlikely that you're convinced of anything I put out there. That's fine. You're fighting a good fight regardless.
>>74338548
>He would have been a martyr.
So you prefer then he literally sacrifice himself for some perverted sense of poetic justice?
that's retard.
>>74338390
yes, crazy smart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-CbWIWKR8k
