>Sends an immediate message
>Teaches that bad actions have bad consequences
>Builds muscle memory that pain is good to avoid
>Builds honor and integrity
>Teaches children to respect the authority of the parents
Also, spanking doesn't actually lower IQ like critical theory academia says. They want people to stop spanking so that children stop respecting their parents and only respect the State. Look at the countries that outlawed spanking:
>Sweden
>Germany
>"""Great""" Britain
The three biggest cuck nations on the face of Earth today.
Spanking is the most redpilled parenting strategy when used responsibly and not just beating kids like niggers do.
Liberals hate it.
>>74279302
Don't hit children you fag
>>74279302
No, but it makes my butt hurt in a nice way. I bet it's /pol/'s favorite pastime and favorite category of porn too.
>>74279302
No it's a form of sexual of abuse. Just look at that adult's face. It's like she's saying "ooh gimme a piece o' dat ass". Probably not even the mom just some sick and deranged nanny.
tl;dr
fuck off pedo
>>74279302
That picture looks like the mother is enjoying touching the girls ass. The girl is mid sneeze.
>>74279421
>>74279515
>>74279565
>>74279586
not an argument.
ITT
people that were beaten as kids
>>74279601
You punish a child by taking away there internet gadget shits, it will be much worse punishment for them and wont create emotional scars
>>74279302
Or it could completely fuck your kid up mentally
It's a complete crapshoot
>>74279601
Rationalize it however you want, you're still putting your hands on a kids butt.
There are literally 0 studies that prove that spanking is in any way beneficial for a child. There are several that prove the opposite
>b-but I was spanked and-
I don't care. /pol/ is politically incorrect, but we back our shit up with facts, statistics, and studies.
>stunting your child's emotional growth by making them unable to trust their parents/father is redpilled
nice try Chaim
>>74279565
You don't need to spank the ass, I always got my back whipped by a belt
>>74279302
Not this again
Sweden and Germany dont hit kids, they instead neglect and emotionally abuse them which is even worse.
Punishing your child is as retarded as punishing your wife.
I knew this was posted by an american before i saw the flag
>>74279601
>it makes my butt feel nice
is an argument. And an extremely good one. How can you refute a pleasure like that?
inb4 you can't
u sure it aint blue pill cuz at one time it was encouraged by government and religion
there was a law in the US regulating the size of stick to beat ones wife n kids also the bible had a few lines one about not loving your children if you didn't beat their ass
>>74279302
Hitting children messes them up but that picture is hot.
>>74279302
I was spanked and I am glad for it.
it just teaches your kids to fear you not respect you.
>>74279302
>Builds honor and integrity
>Teaches that bad actions have bad consequences
Only if the kid understands that the adult doing the spanking is 100% right. But kids usually don't get that impression or the adult just has a really strict set of rules where questioning or defying a bullshit rule results in punishment.
>Teaches children to respect the authority of the parents
There are better ways to build respect. Especially if you want it to be mutual.
>Builds muscle memory that pain is good to avoid
Any muscle memory associated with spanking would mean you are spanking the kid far too much and that your teaching methods obviously aren't working. Pain avoidance isn't something that needs to be taught.
For the most part physical punishment only teaches children to not get caught.
>>74279830
Yup. Progressives insist that if no physical harm can be seen, it must be ok. Pretty ironic considering they usually whine about feels and exclusion.
>>74279948
>"As a child, I was unable to learn things or grasp concepts without being hit"
That's a few levels below a fucking dog or a cat, Sven.
>>74279601
Not an argument man makes arguments against spanking.
>this is not an argument, it is a statement of fact.
Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.
>>74279782
Wondrful.
Surely you can post some, specifically ones that control for race and socioeconomic status.
Black fathers disciplining/beating this shit of their kids is the scariest fucking I've ever seen
>>74280157
I'll spare your rod, Mongol.
>>74279302
i believe that spanking should be a last resort. However, there are some children where spanking is the only way to see improvement in behavior.
>>74279302
>Needing to hit your kids your kids because of you failing as parent.
Maybe start communicating about things first and have an actual bond with your kid instead of injecting your own dysfunction into your kids by hitting them.
>>74280157
*dibs fegora*
>>74279798
>"Emotional growth"
Not an argument
>>74279302
It shouldn't be done by the mother over pants like in that picture, her father should do it.
First he explains to her what she has done wrong and why she needs to be spanked. Then she pulls her skirt up, panties down and lays across his lap. Then he delivers the prescribed amount of smacks to her bottom with an open hand(not a belt or something). And after(and this is important) he comforts her and hugs her and tells her he still loves her even though he had to punish her.
>>74279302
Spanking happened for thousands of years and worked perfectly fine. Now because some butthurt lolbertarians got spanked a little too hard, now they want to outlaw it for everybody.
It's no different than sjws trying to change genders.
>>74280161
Burden of proof is on spankers, my friend.
my little brother used to talk shit to me and annoy me as hell. occasionally if it was just too much i just slapped him but i explained why i did it to him in a calm but firm way. did this about 3 times and he's a good kid now. smart as hell and loves me. he is showing good signs of alphaness too. He's 10 now i'm 21.
>>74279750
Overstated.
Just as how guns can be used to murder, they can be used appropriately.
Studies do not differentiate between abuse and proper corporal punishment when absolutely necessary and as a nuclear option.
>>74280286
Are you telling me you want the state to shoot my kid!!!
>Builds honor and integrity
The opposite of this is true.
>>74279830
>Punishing your child is as retarded as punishing your wife
But both of those are good things.
>>74279302
Spanking is gay. Just apply belt to back. Not a chance I'm gonna be touching my kid's ass.
>>74280408
Burden of proof is on the one making the claim dipshit.
>>74280403
nah fucking dumb burger.
spanking is new. corporal punishment has been around forever.
>>74279302
another plus is that it makes girls like being spanked when they're adults
>>74280408
You opened youself up by citing that there is a study. I am only asking you to back up your claim friendo.
Corporal punishment has existed for nearly all of civilization and we have seen progress. Society as a whole is the only case study you need.
>sudden abundance of spanking threads
>full-throated condemnation, pedo shaming, muh iq, muh feels, muh beating your children
What are the jews planning now?
"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."
Hitting White children , especially your own , is not fucking cool.
Niglets are a different matter, but then we won't be dealing with them as they will be in Africa , kept at bay by very large Trump Walls protecting our White colonies.
>>74279302
Dickings get the point across a little better.
>>74280525
The claim here is that spanking is in some way beneficial, obviously. You're asking me to disprove the teacup in space.
I spank my girlfriend when she behaves badly.
Works very well.
>>74280522
>belt
Using an implement likr that is not good. It id too impersonal and hard to control.
>Not a chance I'm gonna be touching my kid's ass.
Why wouldn't you want to touch your daughter's cute little butt?
>>74280478
No, let the state shoot dysfunctional parents. Does your kid not show desired behavior for the state on his/her 18th birthday because of poor parenting? Then send the parents to concentration camps.
>>74280709
Your claim was that it was damaging.
We are asking you to prove it, except you can't.
If there is no evidence on either side, you shouldn't give a shit if it is practiced.
>>74280618
>Corporal punishment has existed for nearly all of civilization and we have seen progress. Society as a whole is the only case study you need.
Should be easy to find a study that supports this then!
>spanking is beating your kids
This is what faggots who weren't spanked like to say.
>>74280809
In a society that gives participation ribbons?
>>74280734
Because I'm not an abomination of nature. Also...
>having a daughter
Your mentally ill, and already thinking with the mindset of a genetic dead end.
>>74280885
>I was spanked and I turned out fine
this is what abused children with Stockholm Syndrome like to say
>>74280809
so, admittedly, none of the studies on the dangers of spanking exist
>>74280781
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/moral-landscapes/201309/research-spanking-it-s-bad-all-kids
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12081081
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/23/health/effects-spanking-brain/
http://www.cdl.org/articles/spanked-with-words-more-damaging-than-we-may-realize/
http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/04/spanking.aspx
http://kfor.com/2016/04/28/spanking-can-cause-mental-health-problems-in-children-study-suggests/
http://www.newser.com/story/224147/study-spanking-is-nearly-as-damaging-as-child-abuse.html
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1983895,00.html
ok your turn
>>74280707
Father/daughter sex is very good but using it as a punishment would be bad. Sexing his daughter is the ultimate expression of his love for her, it should be gentle and loving.
>>74280715
That is very good. Women need to be disciplined the same as children when the misbehave.
>>74280286
Try communicating with a 3 year old who literally cannot stop taking apart, turning on, and sticking his hand in the damn vacuum cleaner every minute you turn around to clean or take care of the house or sit down to take a shit.
Try handling it non physically for months. Then smack him around every time. After a week he stops fucking with the vacuum. And doesnt do it again.
Some kids are retarded, cant reason (especially at a young age).
>>74281005
Parents don't even yell at their kids anymore.
Absolutely no discipline.
>>74281005
That's circular logic though.
>you have a drug addiction
>no I don't
>that's the addiction speaking
or
>you have a drug addiction
>yes I do
You're blindsided by an unfounded belief about an individual's circumstance.
>>74279302
it lowers your childs IQ
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090924231749.htm
keep in mind that 90% of british mothers admit to spanking their babies so people still do things that are illegal
>>74279302
Fear is not respect. When the child grows big enough not to fear the parents violence anymore, the so called "respect" disappears overnight.
>>74279302
No, that's nigger behavior.
>>74279687
>beaten
>spanked
It's the difference between a dog nipping a lowers neck to correct and ripping the lowers throat out. When used correctly physical punishment is the best way to teach a child.
>>74279302
Ask Ted Cruz' daughters who ran from their parents to Melania Trump for a chat if its a good thing.Damn, there is so many proofs of him being violent tard and no one cares.
>>74281100
Just like how your penis got blind sided by circumcision.
Spanking builds character in boys. For women, I bet it differs. Like when I grew up I was spanked. Was a little shit kicker so it made sense. I grew up alright. My sister, barley spanked her whole life. Turns into a hamplanet spoiled brat with emotions and feelings on max. Spanking, I believe, is necessary. Otherwise your kids are going to just walk all over you, knowing that at most, they have they're shit taken away and given back within the next day or so.
>>74281182
>>74281039
Bonus: blacks, specifically black women, are more likely to spank than other any parent
http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/10/researchers-african-americans-most-likely-to-use-physical-punishment/
No.
Spanking your children doesn't work because you don't have the authority to keep that sort of relationship with your child. It's not your fault. The society we live in today doesn't support that kind of parent-child relationship.
Even if you're a firm parent, society now looks down upon this type of behavior, and those ideas are flushed strait into your kid. In the end all it does is create fear, resentment, and distrust.
Not to mention you'll inevitable succumb to hitting your kid to ease the frustration he creates on you. Don't even try to pretend you won't, please. Everybody has a limit.
If we lived in a different time where parents were seen as an authority figure and not their kid's BFFs, then by all means go ahead. But we don't live in that time anymore.
I mean unless you live in some isolated community with traditional values, like a farm in the middle nowhere or something.
>>74280994
>Because I'm not an abomination of nature
>enjoying your sexy little daughter's body is an abomination
Are you sure you're not gay?
>already thinking with the mindset of a genetic dead end.
What?
>>74279830
>Not punishing your wife.
Absolutely haraam
>>74281063
You really can't just talk to your kid in a stern voice and say "No"
If he's not able to understand basic commands at 3 years old he's probably got autism.
>>74281182
beating and spanking only works in animals and people with sheeple mentality. if you want your kid to respect you, you must teach him why he is wrong
>>74280659
Outlawing it in the states.
>>74280072
What country is the pic in?
>>74281323
Totally weird how parents who hit their kids have children who misbehave and don't listen!
>>74281253
>never hear of black kids killing their parents
Maybe they are on to something.
>>74281039
>http://www.newser.com/story/224147/study-spanking-is-nearly-as-damaging-as-child-abuse.html
From the first comment:
>One needs to be very careful with these headlines. First look at the source. Gershoff, just like Afifi or Durrant, are advocacy researchers. Much of their work is already debunked as conformation-biased opinion pieces to prove a pre-existing belief rather than looking for objective answers. Secondly, they never define non-abusive/constructive “spanking” nor adjust for dysfunctional environments where a wide spectrum of physical, mental and emotional abuses are at play. Conflating all these abusive elements always gives the illusion of the desired answer for them. Thirdly, this is a “meta-analysis” which conflates non-firsthand clinical observations. All the direct clinical longitudinal studies (Baumrind, Larzelere, Gunnoe, Fuller, etc…) that specifically define constructive spanking vs. abusing physical punishment and separate these two, do not conclude such things of the former, while resoundingly concluding the same of the latter. What she intentionally conflates as “spanking” is in fact constant and harsh physical punishment. In Texas (where she obtains “data”), you can be paddled “black and blue for a week” at school. Nothing they examine is within the limited definition of spanking under Canadian Law. You’ll find that object research has consistently shown parenting styles that use occasional and moderate spanking as a backup for other methods in nurturing environments has never once proven any of these negative effects, and in fact, children raised under “Authoritative” parenting styles tend to be more emotionally stable, perform better at school and are better-adjusted / less violent – the opposite of her “claims”.
>>74279302
Can't find study now but it's out there. It found that spanking made children behave better when under supervision, but when supervision was removed they behaved worse than kids who were not spanked.
Spanking reduces self discipline as they expect someone else to do it for them.
>>74281063
I can completely lament. Twin 2 year old boys. It's fucking brutal trying not to react physically. The little shits wear you down. But I honestly feel it's a short term solution. Sure it works, but relative to the long terms gains of mutual respect and understanding? Think of the emotional discipline you teach your children when you "spare the rod" and take the more difficult "high road".
>>74281221
>it's over the knickers
Damn, it was great till that.
>>74279302
It's degenerate. If your kid is so fucked up that they can only understand and respond to pain, you're a genetic dead-end yourself.
Just end it.
>>74279302
>teaches that physical pain is associated with "love"
Enjoy your emotionally stunted psychopath child.
>but but but I was spank! I'm fine!
And yet you're shit posting on /pol/. The fucking trash can of the internet.
>>74281268
>"society" says times are different so things which have always worked no longer hold validity
You're an idiot.
>>74280809
It is your claim that it is damaging.
I am only showing you that we have built civilizations all while practicing it.
Native Americans overwhelmingly do not use corporal punishment and have not achieved shit. These observations are easy to make.
>Spanking lowers iq
>spanking hurts esteem
>spanking makes children negative
Anybody who says anything like this needs to kill themselves.
A child is the way they mostly due to genetics. 70+genetics, 25~% environment, 5% misc. and maybe 0.001% due to punishment. Blaming spankings is just a copout.
>>74281323
My kids understand no. Doesn't mean they don't get into trouble. Ever do something you know wasn't right? Even in the presence of an authority figure? Theyre emotional creatures.
>>74281456
>be in elementary school
>all the other kids in the class came in with bruises on their arms and chest from retarded parenting
>everyone would show them off to eachother
>tfw I had no bruises and felt left out
Realised how lucky I was to have such based parents later in life.
>>74279302
>Administer a sexual form of punishment to children.
>Pic related.
>>74280072
Fuck you, I respect my dad more than anyone and he used to beat the hell out of me if I misbehave.
Maybe you are just a fucking pussy who needed a good beating not to grown up as one, no wonder why you are so cucked.
>>74279302
I agree 100%.
>>74281270
I'm not gay, nor am I a child molester, nor am I going to give birth to some spoiled bitch who is unable to carry my family name.
>>74281268
Interesting. Thanks.
I used to get hit everyday. looking back at it, I'm pretty sure I was my dad's stress release.
he had parents and 6 sisters and one brother as well as my mom and my brother to look after. Years later i understood why he did it, but for all intents and purposes, it was for the wrong reason. He never hit anyone else me. jHasn't improved our relationship, I'm quite distant to him and everyone.
I still remember the day when he stopped hitting me. I did something stupid admittedly, and stood there, he was about to strike but I looked him square in the eyes as I was about the same height and I didn't flinch as he was about to strike. After that he never did.
Why have kids if you're not willing to teach them in a non-violent way right from wrong.
I grew up ok through. I do watch a lot of S&M porn though.
If i ever had kids i wouldn't hit them.
>>74281694
correlation and causation friendo
The burden of proof is on you to PROVE that it DOES help civilization.
>>74281814
not an argument
>>74281221
That is hot
>>74281148
Control for family income and parent iq.
>>74281814
So scared you even feel compelled to defend your dad here lest he find out you were talking shit about him on anonymous image boards.
>>74279302
>chimping out on your children
wew lad. If you don't have shit genes, your kids will be smart anyway and you won't have discipline issues.
>>74281676
It worked because it was a time where it was well received and parents were different.
Parents from now aren't like before. Children aren't like before. Parent-child relationships aren't like before.
If you punish your kid and every other person out there tells your kid that what you're doing is wrong, it's only going to have a negative effect on them. And that most likely includes your wife. They can't keep authoritarian roles for shit.
>>74281441
kenya
>>74280618
>Corporal punishment has existed for nearly all of civilization and we have seen progress
that's mistaking correlation for causation.
One could just as easily say we've seen progress in spite of it.
>>74281694
where is proofs of native amerigans?
>>74279861
I doubt kids that age can even comprehend S&M. They have primitive mindsets, so they need to be taught with easily-understood concepts. Bad stuff = pain.
>>74281936
Only it isnt.
The null hypothesis is that is has no effect and the practice shouldn't be regulated.
It is up to you to prove why it should be regulated to stopped.
It shouldnt be hard for you. All these studies and you aren't posting shit.
>>74279302
There is nothing intrinsically wrong with spanking, but children have such easy lives nowadays that there are much more efficient ways to punish them - revoking electronic devices, cancelling outings, etc. When kids sat around scratching mud puddles with sticks, they were already at rock bottom and needed a spank...
>>74281597
It was either let him not care about my authority, continue to shove his hand i to a running machine, and be at fault for the inevitable injury, or do something about it.
He hasnt touched the vacuum cleaner in 6 months. The brit and canadian can eat dirt for all I care, my child wasnt listening to reason so I took a different course of action and it worked.
=====================================================
We're not all the same and the same strategies do not work for all of us. Get over it faggots.
>>74279805
Thats terrible imo. The use of any weapon or balled fist is nigger tier behaviour.
Smacking the butt is pretty much all thats really acceptable. And no, thats not sexual at all.
A parent should only need to do it a couple times to their child as well. Don't hit them for petty crap. Hit them if things seem particularly out of control, and do so in a relatively cool and collected manner. Don't chimp out on your kid, and afterwards tell them you love them, that you didn't want to do it (you shouldn't ever WANT to hurt your child), but that they made you do it. And that you will again if necessary.
The key is to be calm and in control.
>>74281148
Or maybe a child with lower iq needs more spankings? :)
>>74281671
Beating a child and telling them its because you love them creates a very fucked up individual.
However, being a sociopath does tend to push you into higher tax brackets.
While I don't always enjoy my insanity, I can defiantly afford it.
>>74281955
Neither is that picture
>>74279302
Positive reinforcement is always better than negative reinforcement. This is especially true when kids become teenager as they will quickly rebel against any perceived arbitrary authority you have on them.
Don't spank your kids. If you have to do it, you failed.
It only works in the moment and then the next time you need to hit them harder to make it work. Before you know it, you are on a TV show special about how you accidentally killed your kid.
>>74281883
You won't have daughters because she'll be "a spoiled bitch"? She'd only be like that if you raise her to be like that. You're going to miss the joy of raising a daughter and the ultimate love that exists beteeen a man and his daughter? You probably are gay.
>>74279798
My dad is basically Hank Hill. He thinks working is fun, and he's absolutely against degeneracy. He's basically an ubermensch that you'd only see in legends; except he's real.
Just because he spanked me when I deserved it doesn't mean I can't respect him.
>>74281814
How's that stockholm syndrome treating you, pussy?
>>74280561
>spanking is new. corporal punishment has been around forever.
>american education
>>74279302
yes, its literally child abuse!
>>74282053
You can't say that because entire americans, as well as most tribal people do not practice this.
http://www.faqs.org/childhood/Co-Fa/Discipline.html
Native americans follow the liberal model of shunning and shaming. It is no wonder that alcoholism, drug use, and psychological disorders are rampant in this community.
The liberals are right about one thing; psychological attacks cut deeper than a palm ever could. For some reason though, they prefer to use these techniques on their children.
>>74282114
>The null hypothesis is that is has no effect and the practice shouldn't be regulated.
And I'm telling you that the null hypothesis within the last 30 years has flipped, why the fuck do you think corporal punishment has been banned in nearly every first world country since then dipshit?
Or did they ban it because they wanted the bold brave parents to express their freedom by beating their kids behind closed doors?
>>74279302
You know who beats their children? Niggers. If you hit your child, they'll start acting like a nigger.
>>74282186
not always true. kids do very stupid things, like running out in front of cars. They're so dumb, they do it simply to piss off their parents, not understanding the danger they're in. So in that case, smacking your kid to save their life is warranted.
>>74282343
Hank hill opposes spanking because his teachers abused the privelege when he was young.
And now Bobby is a pudgy sod.
>>74282439
>having low IQ kids
lol
>>74282410
addendum
>*in schools in nearly every first world country*
>>74279302
>>Sweden
>>Germany
>>"""Great""" Britain
>The three biggest cuck nations on the face of Earth today.
So does several conservative countries.
>>74281930
Hitting isn't spanking. I would never hit my kids either, if I had them. But I would spank them.
>>74282410
The null hypotension CANNOT be flipped. It is NULL. It is without polarity.
You have to prove that it is damaging and should be regulated.
>>74282439
What kind of dysfunctional kid wants to piss off their parents? Already failed parenting at that point.
>>74281955
Jesus, this "not an argument" rhetoric is getting overused. Why did it start cropping up so recently?
It's weird how anti-spanking /pol/ is.
Personally I believe it's an option but only as a very last resort, and only if they're very very young (too young to be humiliated by it). It should also never be ritualized or made institutional (AKA: wait in your room for ten minutes till I spank you) It should only be an in the moment, stop now sort of thing
>>74282343
does he have diminished glutes too?
>>74282640
Also ironic since Stefan Molyneux is probably the most anti-spanking person there is.
>>74279302
Is classroom learning the most redpilled form of educating?
>Immersive environment send immediate message that desks are for work, not play
>Teaches that students are to be taught, not have a voice
>Builds memory through repetitive instruction
>Builds discipline and self-control through structured learning
>Teaches children to respect educators and administration
See how that works?
Some kids respond to spanking. Some respond to losing privilege. Some respond to running laps or pushups.
Sometimes, an unexpected cold shower while fully clothed sends a blaring wake up call. Try this when all else fails. You might be pleasantly surprised.
>>74282660
Nah, should have mentioned that he just has Hank's personality.
I don't think he has a narrow urethra either.
>>74282410
Things get banned because people vote for them, not because they are right.
If the law was absolute, where wouldn't be a need for new laws and modifications.
I am literally just asking for a study before you restrict my freedom to parent as I see fit.
Has anyone got that Rodger Helmer and Laurie Penny fan fiction?
>training your children to enjoy kinky sex
why is this good again?
BDSM is cool n all but it's not for kids
>>74279757
That's like saying kissing your baby illicits the same feelings as kissing your spouse
>>74282405
ok, now lets control for IQ, and how about the difficult in farming and animal husbandry in precolonial america.
Correlation is not causation for 200, Alex.
>>74282647
It has to be done immediately after undesired behaviour if it's done at all. And the kid better know that the behaviour he or she is exhibiting is undesired beforehand. Because the second you arbitrarily use violence and the kid doesn't understand why you're doing it, you're on the path to create a fucking monster.
Kids don't know shit. They have no idea what they should do and what they shouldn't do. Tons of parents will just spank them when the kid does something he or she isn't supposed to, but the problem is the kid doesn't know. So basically all this does is it creates an association - behaviour x = violence. Which is a negative incentive for behaviour x, but the kid has no idea why.
>>74282432
yeah well they certainly don't do shit in public. they beat them later in private, apparently, which is not limited force and not corrective, which is why it doesn't fucking work for them
>>74282647
Being spanked and not being successful in life is the only case study most of pol needs.
>>74281982
The best thats going to do is prove that only stupid, shitty, parents spank their kids. So instead of the spankings making the kids stupider, it will show that the kind of parents who are spanking their kids also tend to do a bunch of other things that make their kids stupid. Its not going to magically make spanking an effective parenting habit.
>>74282439
>like running out in front of cars
See, kiddie spankers are completely retarded. By doing this you wouldn't be making them understand that cars are dangerous. You're simply telling them it's an action they shouldn't perform because it translate to a beating from daddy, but they won't understand why.
If your kid is still dumb enough to walk into traffic you're supposed to be watching him, not beating him because he's acting like the dumb clueless child he is.
But of course, it's easier to smack Billy than to your job and keep your eyes on him.
>>74280072
Whatever gets the message through.
I can tell you nicely or I can whip your ass with a belt... Either way, you are going to do what you are told
>>74282184
Its exactly the same "argument" as the post its responding to.
>>74282647
>too young to be humiliated by it
But the humiliation is an important part of it. All her siblings seeing her in such a vulnerable position makes it more effective.
>>74282773
>spray your kid with cold water
>you know, like with cats
I am ok with this.
>>74279302
I should remind everybody that spanking is most common in the American south. Which is basically the most redpilled place on Earth right now besides Israel
I found myself mulling over a discussion in our class in History and Moral Philosophy. Mr. Dubois was talking about the disorders that preceded the breakup of the North American republic, back in the 20th century. According to him, there was a time just before they went down the drain when such crimes as murder were as common as dogfights. The Terror had not been just in North America -- Russia and the British Isles had it, too, as well as other places. But it reached its peak in North America shortly before things went to pieces.
"Law-abiding people," Dubois had told us, "hardly dared go into a public park at night. To do so was to risk attack by wolf packs of children, armed with chains, knives, home-made guns, bludgeons ... to be hurt at least, robbed most certainly, injured for life probably -- or even killed. This went on for years, right up to the war between the Russo-Anglo-American Alliance and the Chinese Hegemony. Murder, drug addiction, larceny, assault, and vandalism were commonplace. Nor were parks the only places -- these things happened also on the streets in daylight, on school grounds, even inside school buildings. But parks were so notoriously unsafe that honest people stayed clear of them after dark."
I had tried to imagine such things happening in our schools, I simply couldn't. Nor in our parks. A park was a place for fun, not for getting hurt. As for getting killed in one -- "Mr. Dubois, didn't they have police? Or courts?"
>>74283148
If you want to create insecurity I guess.
>>74283190
"They had many more police than we have. And more courts. All overworked."
"I guess I don't get it." If a boy in our city had done anything half that bad ... well, he and his father would have been flogged side by side. But such things just didn't happen.
Mr. Dubois then demanded of me, "Define a 'juvenile delinquent.'"
"Uh, one of those kids -- the ones who used to beat up people."
"Wrong."
"Huh? But the book said -- "
"My apologies. Your textbook does so state. But calling a tail a leg does not make the name fit. 'Juvenile delinquent' is a contradiction in terms, one which gives a clue to their problem and their failure to solve it. Have you ever raised a puppy?"
"Yes, sir."
"Did you housebreak him?"
"Err ... yes, sir. Eventually." It was my slowness in this that caused my mother to rule that dogs must stay out of the house.
"Ah, yes. When your puppy made mistakes, were you angry?"
"What? Why, he didn't know any better; he was just a puppy."
"What did you do?"
"Why, I scolded him and rubbed his nose in it and paddled him."
"Surely he could not understand your words?"
"No, but he could tell I was sore at him!"
"But you just said that you were not angry."
Mr. Dubois had an infuriating way of getting a person mixed up, "No, but I had to make him think I was. He had to learn, didn't he?"
>>74283032
>but they won't understand why
again, this strawman argument that you just correctively hit them in total silence
the libfag assumption of course is that you can just politely explain to a child why they shouldn't do something -- and they'll just up and obey you for good boy points! literally a child's idea about how to raise children, try fucking having one
"Conceded. But, having made it clear to him that you disapproved, how could you be so cruel as to spank him as well? You said the poor beastie didn't know that he was doing wrong. Yet you inflicted pain. Justify yourself! Or are you a sadist?"
I didn't then know what a sadist was -- but I know pups. "Mr. Dubois, you have to! You scold him so that he knows he's in trouble, you rub his nose in it so that he will know what trouble you mean, you paddle him so that he darn well won't do it again -- and you have to do it right away! It doesn't do a bit of good to punish him later; you'll just confuse him. Even so, he won't learn from one lesson, so you watch and catch him again and paddle him still harder. Pretty soon he learns. But it's a waste of breath just to scold him." Then I added, "I guess you've never raised pups."
"Many. I'm raising a daschund now -- by your methods. Let's get back to those juvenile criminals. The most vicious averaged somewhat younger than you here in this class ...and they often started their lawless careers much younger. Let us never forget that puppy. These children were often caught; police arrested batches each day. Were they scolded? Yes, often scathingly. Were their noses rubbed in it? Rarely. Newspapers and officials usually kept their names secret -- in many places this was the law for criminals under eighteen. Were they spanked? Indeed not! Many had never been spanked even as small children; there was a widespread belief that spanking, or any punishment involving pain, did a child permanent psychic damage."
>>74282942
They crossed the ice bridge 15,000 years ago.
The white man gave them tools, money, privelege status, free university education and jobs, as well as the freedom to break federal law on their own land.
They do nothing with it. They have every chance in the world to succeed but don't.
All the time and lack of intervention and they do nothing.
Furthermore, even if you quantified it, you would still show Europe pulling out of similarge shit times using Catholic determination and corporal punishment. Your control would be meaningless.
>>74280403
>Slavery happened for thousands of years and worked perfectly fine. Now because some butthurt slaves got worked too hard they want to outlaw it for everybody.
Implying that every tradition should be continued for the sake of traditions. Hitting children is immoral. Assuming you're a productive and law-abiding member of society, I doubt there is a single instance in your day where you would employ corporal punishment on other adults. Why do it to children?
is it degenerate to get hard from the OP pic?
(I had reflected that my father must never have heard of that theory.)
"Corporal punishment in schools was forbidden by law," he had gone on. "Flogging was lawful as sentence of court only in one small province, Delaware, and there only for a few crimes and was rarely invoked; it was regarded as 'cruel and unusual punishment.'" Dubois had mused aloud, "I do not understand objections to 'cruel and unusual' punishment. While a judge should be benevolent in purpose, his awards should cause the criminal to suffer, else there is no punishment -- and pain is the basic mechanism built into us by millions of years of evolution which safeguards us by warning when something threatens our survival. Why should society refuse to use such a highly perfected survival mecahnism? However, that period was loaded with pre-scientific pseudo-psychological nonsense.
"As for 'unusual,' punishment must be unusual or it serves no purpose." He then pointed his stump at another boy. "What would happen if a puppy were spanked every hour?"
"Uh ... probably drive him crazy!"
"Probably. It certainly will not teach him anything. How long has it been since the principal of this school last had to switch a pupil?"
"Uh, I'm not sure. About two years. The kid that swiped --"
In my mind spanking is too connected to sex to be done on children.
>>74283303
Not really, if anything it's a natural response.
>>74282647
We have a lot of tumblre fags and redditfags who always join in on spanking threads.
"Never mind. Long enough. It means that such punishment is so unusual as to be significant, to deter, to instruct. Back to these young criminals -- They probably were not spanked as babies; they certainly were not flogged for their crimes. The usual sentence was: for a first offence, a warning -- a scolding, often without trial. After several offenses a sentence of confinement but with sentence suspended and the youngster placed on probation. A boy might be arrested may times and convicted several times before he was punished -- and then it would be merely confinement, with others like him from whom he learned still more criminal habits. If he kept out of major trouble while confined, he could usually evade most of even that mild punishment, be given probation -- 'paroled' in the jargon of the times.
"This incredible sequence could go on for years while his crimes increased in frequency and viciousness, with no punishment whatever save rare dull-but-comfortable confinements. Then suddenly, usually by law on his eighteenth birthday, this so-called 'juvenile delinquent' becomes an adult criminal -- and sometimes wound up in only weeks or months in a death cell awaiting execution for murder."
He had singled me out again. "Suppose you merely scolded your puppy, never punished him, let him go on making messes in the house ... and occasionally locked him up in an outbuilding but soon let him back into the house with a warning not to do it again. Then one day you notice that he is now a grown dog and still not housebroken -- whereupon you whip out a gun and shoot him dead. Comment, please?"
"Why ... that's the craziest way to raise a dog I ever heard of!"
"I agree. Or a child. Whose fault would it be?"
"Uh ... why, mine, I guess."
"Again I agree. But I'm not guessing."
>>74283259
If they're still dumb enough to walk into traffic, you think they'll understand your explanation of it?
No. They're too retarded. What you do here is keep your fucking eyes on them.
"Mr. Dubois," a girl blurted out, "but why? Why didn't they spank little kids when they needed it and use a good dose of the strap on any older ones who deserved it -- the sort of lesson they wouldn't forget! I mean ones who did things really bad. Why not?"
"I don't know," he had answered grimly, "except that the time-tested method of instilling social virtue and respect for law in the minds of the young did not appeal to a pre-scientific pseudo-professional class who called themselves 'social workers' or sometimes 'child psychologists.' It was too simple for them, apparently, since anybody could do it, using only the patience and firmness needed in training a puppy. I have sometimes wondered if they cherished a vested interest in disorder -- but that is unlikely; adults almost always act from conscious 'highest motives' no matter what their behavior."
"But -- good heavens!" the girl answered. "I didn't like being spanked any more than any kid does, but when I needed it, my mama delivered. The only time I ever got a switching in school I got another one when I got home -- and that was years and years ago. I don't ever expect to be hauled up in front of a judge and sentenced to a flogging; you behave yourself and such things don't happen. I don't see anything wrong with our system; it's a lot better than not being able to walk outdoors for fear of your life -- why that's horrible!"
"I agree. Young lady, the tragic wrongness of what those well-meaning people did, contrasted with what they thought they were doing, goes very deep. They had no scientifc theory of morals. They did have a theory of morals and they tried to live by it (I should not have sneered at their motives), but their theory was wrong -- half of it fuzzy-headed wishful thinking, half of it rationalized charlatanry. The more earnest they were, the farther it led them astray. You see, they assumed that Man had a moral instinct."
>move to canada
>be in middle school
>admit to a friend that my parents beat me sometimes when i fuck up
>"omg anon your parents hit you, you should call the cops on them"
>mfw
>>74279302
Why slap a child on the ass?
There are more creative ways to punish a child and it is inherently degenerate.
A simple pinch on the arm or hand is effective.
t. Nehiyaw patriot
"Sir? I thought -- But he does! I have."
"No, my dear, you have a cultivated conscience, a most carefully trained one. Man has no moral instinct. He is not born with moral sense. You were not born with it, I was not -- and a puppy has none. We acquire moral sense, when we do, through training, experience, and hard sweat of the mind. These unfortunate juvenile criminals were born with none, even as you and I, and they had no chance to acquire any; their experiences did not permit it. What is 'moral sense'? It is an elaboration of the instinct to survive. The instinct to survive is human nature itself, and every aspect of our personalities derives from it. Anything that conflicts with the survival instinct acts sooner or later to eliminate the individual and thereby fails to show up in future generations. This truth is mathematically demonstrable, everwhere verifiable; it is the single eternal imperative controlling everything we do.
"But the instinct to survive," he had gone on, "can be cultivated into motivations more subtle and much more complex than the blind, brute urge of the individual to stay alive. Young lady, what you miscalled your 'moral instinct' was the instilling in you by your elders of the truth that survival can have stronger imperatives than that of your own personal survival. Survival of your family, for example. Of your children, when you have them. Of your nation, if you struggle that high up the scale. And so on up. A scientifically verifiable theory of morals must be rooted in the individual's instinct to survive -- and nowhere else! -- and must correctly describe the hierarchy of survival, note the motivations at each level, and resolve all conflicts.
>>74283259
Your genes are bad. Create retarded children. Either that or you're too busy staring at your phone to make sure your kid isn't doing anything bad.
>>74283008
I will prove that it can be applied correctly.
My opposition would then say that people are retarded and we need to regulate it because of those people.
At least then they would be arguing a proper stance.
Unfortunately they can't provide any evidence, meaning nothing should be changed.
>>74279302
Yes, beat the shit out of them. Please, for everyone else's sake. BEAT THEM!!!
>>74279830
It's really hard to punish my wife. It just makes her horny.
>>74281206
Amazing how quick the cuck comes out when he's backed into a corner.
"We have such a theory now; we can solve any moral problem, on any level. Self-interest, love of family, duty to country, responsibility toward the human race -- we are even developing an exact ethic for extra-human relations. But all moral problems can be illustrated by one misquotation: 'Greater love hath no man than a mother cat dying to defend her kittens.' Once you understand the problem facing that cat and how she solved it, you will then be ready to examine yourself and learn how high up the moral ladder you are capable of climbing.
"These juvenile criminals hit a low level. Born with only the instinct for survival, the highest morality they achieved was a shaky loyalty to a peer group, a street gang. But the do-gooders attempted to 'appeal to their better natures,' to 'reach them,' to 'spark their moral sense.' Tosh! They had no 'better natures'; experience taught them that what they were doing was the way to survive. The puppy never got his spanking; therefore what he did with pleasure and success must be 'moral.'
"The basis of all morality is duty, a concept with the same relation to group that self-interest has to individual. Nobody preached duty to these kids in a way they could understand -- that is, with a spanking. But the society they were in told them endlessly about their 'rights.'
"The results should have been predictable, since a human being has no natural rights of any nature."
Mr. Dubois had paused. Somebody took the bait. "Sir? How about 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness'?"
"Ah, yes, the 'unalienable rights.' Each year someone quotes that magnificent poetry. Life? What 'right' to life has a man who is drowning in the Pacific? The ocean will not hearken his cries. What 'right' to life has a man who must die if he is to save his children? If the chooses to save his own life, does he do so as a matter of 'right'? If two men are starving and cannibalism is the only alternative to death, which man's right is 'unalienable'? And is it 'right'? As to liberty, the heroes who signed the great document pledged themselves to buy liberty with their lives. Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes. Of all the so-called natural human rights that have ever been invented, liberty is the least likely to be cheap and is never free of cost.
"The third 'right' -- the 'pursuit of happiness'? It is indeed unalienable but it is not a right; it is ismply a universal condition which tyrants cannot take away nor patriots restore. Cast me into a dungeon, burn me at the stake, crown me king of kings, I can 'pursue happiness' as long as my brain lives -- but neither gods nor saints, wise men nor subtle drugs, can insure that I will catch it."
Mr. Dubois then turned to me. "I told you that 'juveline delinquent' is a contriction in terms. 'Delinquent' means 'failing in duty.' But duty is an adult virtue -- indeed a juvenile becomes an adult when, and only when, he acquires a knowledge of duty and embraces it as dearer than the self-love he was born with. There never was, there cannot be, a 'juvenile delinquent.' But for every juvenile criminal there are always one or more adult delinquents -- people of mature years who either do not know their duty, or who, knowing it, fail.
>>74280466
This is the part when you argue how hitting someone for disobedience makes assault acceptable. Please also explain a situation where physical harm to a child is "absolutely necessary"?
>All these anti-spankers
Wow it's like /pol/ has been invaded by liberal shitparents who want Americans to grow up being pussified faggot= cucks like in the EU.
It is the RESPONSIBILITY of every American parent to employ responsible direct corporal punishment to our children, so they remain strictly strong young men and women who understand actions have consequences and that there is always a bigger fish.
If we give in to these shitlib faggots, America is lost, just like the EU.
No spanking = millennial generation pussy faggots.
"And that was the soft spot which destroyed what was in many ways an admirable culture. The junior hoodlums who roamed their streets were symptoms of a greater sickness; their citizens (all of them counted as such) glorified their mythology of 'rights' ... and lost track of their duties. No nation, so constituted, can endure."
>>74282942
If it isn't obvious, I am telling you that they are failing TODAY as well as yesterday under this model.
>>74279302
>cuck nation
>usa enslaving niggers
>black president for 8 years
>ass inside of head too far and deep
> :)
Why is /pol/ so retarded? Ghetto black people spank their kids and have created a line of thugs. Its more important a kid understands why something is wrong so they never do it again than to teach them if they get caught they get punished.
>>74283730
It is why I love this place.
The people who come here don't get their ideology from a party, or church.
Sometimes pol is just wrong. Thst is fine.
>>74281383
Have you tried to explain to a 2yo why he's wrong? I would invite you to try.
>>74283951
They spank their kids less than they did in the 50s.
My brothers and I were spanked ever since we were probbably 4 and I even had spoon with a smiley face.
Only two of us are doctors, one is a civil engineer, one has a molecular genetics degree and so does on of the doctors. Then my little brother is doing some stupid shit where he'll develop medical devices. I of course went with an English degree.
So in short all 5 of my brothers are better than 95 percent of the retards on this site and we were all given ass whoopings.
>>74283721
This is the greatest book cover I have ever seen.
>second greatest
>>74283388
>In my mind spanking is too connected to sex to be done on children
That doesn't make any sense. So, because spanking is sexy it can't be an effective punishment?
>>74283640
You might have to get more creative. Have you tried using a switch instead of just an open hand?
>>74283951
>Ghetto black people spank their kids and have created a line of thugs.
You mean the ones who have no fathers to enforce the rules with force and who's mothers think "dey be good bois" no matter what they do? Sure they do, mate, sure they do.
>>74283980
What is a 2 year old doing that would demand him\her getting hit?
>>74283913
Yeah and guess what, spanking went out of vogue around the mid 1990s when social degeneracy ramped up big time.
The millennials are the least spanked generation in US history and look at what pathetic fucking faggots they are.
Spanking = good children.
No spanking = demipansexual otherkin homosex anarcho-capitalist cannabis connoisseur
>>74283980
Easier than explaining why you're wrong :^))))
>>74283980
if your 2 year old misbehaved so badly that you need to beat him then you should kill him and then kill yourself already
>all these retards and shitty future parents ITT
Have fun arguing with your kids in the middle of a walmart because you refuse to exercise your authority as a parent
>>74283951
kill yourself faggot shill. You think spanking is the reason blacks act like chimps? Kill yourself.
>>74284152
He's an anarcho-capitalist.
They literally think spanking causes statism.
They're fucking insane.
>>74283980
yeah you better kick his ass for being 2 y old and not knowin better
dont forget to put down that beer you might spill it
>>74279302
Spanking works.
/thread
>>74284091
>repeating this
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>>74283980
Right it's just easier to use physical pain and fear to stop their behavior. What could possibly go wrong?
Spanking is a non-issue and simply one form of punishment. How effective spanking is... is dependant on the induvidual doing the spanking and the person spanked.
My old man used to give me and my brothers the belt growing up, I just use my hand on my son, I've only done it a few times so far cause he's still young but will definitely continue.
I think it's healthy for a boy to fear his father, especially when the woman coddles him to much. When he gets older he will realize it was for his own good like I did.
>>74284262
>What could possibly go wrong?
Absolutely nothing.
Spanking isn't a mystery.
Kids won't comply with logic and reason? They get spanked and stop.
End of story.
Spanking and physical discipline are degenerate. The real problem is that hoity toity faggot parents will neglect to discipline their child at all and then side with the anti-spanking camp and make us all look like softies with brat kids.
>>74284031
yet you posted on this board
so much for being better than 95%
also i wasnt beaten ever by my parents and i have a doctors masters atom platinum degree on a mongoloid anonymous board
>>74284071
>>74284152
Using violence to get their way is what parents teach their kids by spanking them. There is a reason black parents hitting their kid is a well known stereotype. Because its true.
Spanking makes my pee pee hard and i like it
>>74279302
Are people in the US really thinking that spanking reduces IQ?
top kek.
>>74284063
I didn't say that it wasn't effective, just that I'd rather avoid doing things with sexual connotations to children. Note that I'm not judging people who spank their kids, but since it's a fetish of mine I believe that it would be immoral for me to do so.
>>74284341
>fear
>healthy in any way
>When he gets older he will realize it was for his own good
Kek.
Remember those words, please. Too bad I won't be there too see your dysfunctional relationship and the preference he was for his mother over you.
>>74279302
>implying that girl won't grow up to be a dirty slut who likes it rough
>>74284394
Um no, it is more memed that blacks don't parent their children at all you faggot. You would know that if you actually browsed through /pol/
>>74283291
>Hitting children is immoral.
Nothing is immoral. Morals are relative.
>>74284091
>calling these degenerates ancap when clearly they are marxists
So close to a perfect post...
>>74284466
It's not "people" in US, it's real *****philosophers***** thinking that.
>>74284091
usa = the most cuckold nation in the galaxy and of all times
spanking ur autistic children wont change this fact
>>74284466
Yeah these fucking faggot left wingers think spanking lowers IQ because of some shitty sociological studies with zero controls that literally assert correlation always equals causation.
Liberalism is a mental disease.
Anarcho-capitalism is liberalism.
>>74284434
Spanking and having hot wax melt on my balls
>>74284623
>never seen Molyneux
He calls himself an ancap along with the rest of his cult, but you are correct, they are merely crypto-marxists.
>>74284394
>DEY GOOD BOYS
>DEY DIN DO NUFFIN
The niggers that get smacked around and are taught to respect authority are the ones that actually become good. The ones that grow up thinking that they can do anything they want without repercussion are the ones that become criminals.
Refer to the passages from Starship Troopers that I posted for the rest of my rebuttal.
>>74284466
Apparently so.
>>74284553
/pol/ can't even get their living memes right, then.
Both of my parents hit me. My mother even strangled me at one point. I'm not fine.
>>74283729
Assault is often acceptable, and spanking your kid is one such case. It teaches them that might makes right, and that people bigger than them should be respected. Spanking does not, however, cause physical harm; if you consider a sore butt to be "harm", you're a feminized non-male who has probably never been punched in the face.
>>74283730
>Ugh, people using logic and facts to back up their beliefs? No thank you, Fox news taught me and my mom otherwise.
>>74284341
My dad hit me and my mother coddled me. Want to know how much I fear my father? About as much as I fear the sun raising in the morning and setting in the evening. I'm stronger and faster than he is.
Wanna know how much I love my mother? I'm glad she's dead. That's how much I love her.
You don't make kids respect you by either beating them or by coddling them.
Trying to emotionally manipulate them into the delusion that they love you like my mother did doesn't help either. I thought I loved her, but man did it feel good when she died.
>>74284761
>My mother even strangled me at one point
Hot
>>74284574
>Morals are relative
Please explain how murder, theft, rape, etc. do not fall under the umbrella of immorality?
>>74281253
Go to /b/ and find a black parenting thread. That is not the appropriate application of physical teaching.
>>74279302
Spanking is only as good as the parents are. If they are pieces of shit, it's just abuse. If the intention is good AND the parents know what they are doing (psychology-wise) ithen it's good.
>>74284761
That's child abuses anon, not corporal punishment.
Either kill yourself for being a fucking faggot that can't tell the difference or get some therapy.
>>74284796
>Logic and facts
Literally absolute propaganda from Marxist academia with no actual scientific validity whatsoever.
>>74284795
>bigger people should be respected
>might makes right
Literal savagery, you act like a wild animal
>>74284705
Molyneux has absolutely nothing in common with your strawman other than being an anarcho-capitalist who is against spanking.
>No spanking = demipansexual otherkin homosex anarcho-capitalist cannabis connoisseur
>>74284875
You sound like a fucking faggot who never learned to be honorable or respectful.
You should probably kill yourself for being such a self-entitled little faggot.
>>74281270
How's being a jew shill pay? I'm legit curious.
>>74284723
Yeah once their kid is dead they blame police. But the kid until then was constantly hit by the parent. You can really say you don't see aggressive black parents hitting their kid all the time?
>>74284955
>denying the truth makes you civilized
I bet you think the world runs on intelligent debate, and that wars are won with ideas. Don't lie to your kids, you piece of shit.
>>74283291
>would employ corporal punishment on other adults.
See this is the problem. Criminals SHOULD receive corporal punishment. Public punishment at that. Instead they are made to live in a pen filled with other cutthroats for years, where they learn to become even worse scumbags than they were when they went in.
Lash those fucks in front of an audience. Shove their noses in their shit while you beat them like you would when training a dog and you'd have much better results.
I use a shock collar for my lad, only $75 at petsmart, the only issue is that he tried to run away to his parents when I take it off to change the batteries
>>74284527
Who knows, we may have a difunctional relationship in his teen years, I did with my father, but it doesn't mean it won't benefit the kid. If you have a child you'll realize one parent always has to be the bad guy. There's way more important things that will determine if the kids a fuck up.
>>74279743
boo hoo emotional scars.
when will this delicate flower meme end?
>>74284886
>Please explain how murder, theft, rape, etc. do not fall under the umbrella of immorality?
When it is done during war, against dehumanised population and for the Greater Good?
>>74285031
>hitting is exactly like spanking
Have you considered just killing yourself lately?
Because you should.
I'm not being facetious.
Do.
>>74285212
Calm down, nigger.
>>74285031
>You can really say you don't see aggressive black parents hitting their kid all the time?
You're making shit up. Niggers aren't abusive parents, they're neglectful ones. They don't care as long as it doesn't personally effect them. They may smack the kid around when he does something that pisses them off, but if he does something shitty to someone else and it has no repercussion, then they either don't care or might even support the little fuck.
Niggers don't use corporal punishment properly if at all.
>>74279782
HAHAHAHAHAH BEST PIC EVER IM POSTIN THAT TO FACEBOOK
>>74285052
I agree that criminals should get the shit kicked out of them, but I was assuming that you don't spend a lot of time around criminals on a daily basis. We were talking about children though.
>>74279302
No, it's not red pilled. It's not child abuse. It's normal and is important for disciplining a child and has been throughout all of history. It's also Biblical from a Christian point of view.
Prov 13:24: "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes."
Prov 19:18: "Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying."
Prov 22:15: "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him."
Prov 23:13: "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die."
Prov 23:14: "Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell."
Prov 29:15: "The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame."
I bet half of you were never spanked and don't understand how well it works. I'm 27 and I was spanked with a rod (I give my age since it's now a dying practice). It didn't happen that often because I obeyed my parents. I learned at a young age that to be rebellious will result in being spanked, therefore, I was quickly taught to behave.
>pol right now
>>74284875
I'd say your parents did a shit job raising you. Doesn't mean spanking isn't effective
>>74285282
I am calm.
I'm calmly giving you sage advice on what you should do towards ending your life.
Please, continue.
>>74285015
You're retarded - legitimately retarded. IQ well below 100. You are probably miserable as fuck too, because I have no idea how someone can be so delusional as to think a person who they don't know and who has no respect for them is going to be hurt by their mean words over the Internet.
The world would be better off without you and I think you'll end up offing yourself considering this is most likely a reflection of your own mental state.
>>74284904
Already past it. I revoke certain priviliges for my kid instead of attacking him with my fists. I don't wish him to fear me like I did for my parents.
ITT faggots who don't know the difference between punching and slapping
>>74279302
>Sends an immediate arousal
>Teaches that bad actions have kinky consequences
>Builds muscle memory that pain is good
>Builds fetishes
>Teaches children to respect the authority of the dom
>>74279302
It's okay if used sparingly. I only got spanked if I acted violently, or got a four finger slap if I cursed in anger(I.e. fuck you. They didn't care if I cursed generally.) I wasn't sheltered at all, and they just answered any questions I had rationally like I was an adult.
>>74285411
>not an argument
It's like all you are is a fucking retarded shithead liberal with literally nothing to fucking say with any validity.
Keep crying, then kill yourself.
>>74285318
Would you consider hitting an animal to discipline it also immoral?
The best way to teach someone or something right from wrong is to make certain they understand that there are repercussions to improper behavior. Physical pain is something we all understand regardless of age, gender or even species.
>>74279302
>Inb4 Memeux
Maybe that guy can psychologically manipulate his children into obeying him, but regular parents just spank their kids.
>>74284955
Its evolutionary behavior. Doesnt make it 100% right but it doesnt come out of nowhere either.
Dealing with bullies is a vital skill. Standing up for yourself is a vital skill. etc. Not everyone is going to do this though. A pecking order is natural. You want a world where everyone is equal, but we live in a world where risk and bravery yields reward.
Only the brightest and the bravest should be on top, but you ultra non spanking libs want everything and everyone to be neutered and lame.
>>74285374
If my words triggered you to wish me dead, you are not calm you silly nigger.
It's a last resort when words fail. Children aren't always logical.
If you ever kiss your child or your parents ever kiss you, that should be reported to the police because pedophilia is not okay.
>>74285411
You're retarded - legitimately retarded. IQ well below 100The world would be better off without you and I think you'll end up offing yourself considering this is most likely a reflection of your own mental state.
>>74279302
I was spanked by my father. I never resented him for it, but I have always had an avoidant behavior in relation to him.
It sucks, but the first thing that strikes my mind whenever my father wants me to visit is "oh no".
>>74285503
I'm not as dumb as you are so I don't feel compelled to reply to weak insults with arguments. Arguments take more effort than calling you an intellectually challenged mollusk.
I can sense your desperation. You're probably clutching your pearls in impotent rage trying to hurt me.
>>74284473
>I'd rather avoid doing things with sexual connotations to children
Well, that's your choice. Nothing wrong with enjoying your daughter, I say.
>>74285019
How do you think I'm a shill?
>>74285699
No, you misunderstand me.
I don't wish that you were dead, I understand on a rational and logical level that is what's best for you since you have difficulty functioning in a world where children are raised properly by strict and loving parents.
I'm giving you a liberating course of action towards alleviating your suffering.
You can kill yourself right now and never hear of another child being spanked for the rest of your life.
You would be so happy.
Please, kill yourself anon, please.
You know it's for the best, just do it.
>>74285676
Stop projecting
>>74285776
The two of those have nothing to do with each other. You probably avoid him because he is so disappointing in you.
Never had to spank my kids. They know their limits and how to behave, teach them right from wrong early and you don't need to hit them to reinforce.
>>74282647
this thread got posted like 2 weeks ago and people were pro spanking
same with the marijuana threads
all about time of day, friendo
>>74285592
Yes, I'd rather have a dog that doesn't fear me or hide whenever I raise my vvoice for whatever reason. It's not hard to learn a dog to shit outside only relaying on positive feedback.
>>74285801
>all this projection
You must be a fucking shitlib female. That's their most common tactic.
When they can't make a single shitty argument, they result to psycholgical projection.
Just, slit your wrists.
Let the blood flow out and be at peace.
Calm and warm in the embrace of death.
Go now.
>>74286023
Yeah, being spanked really didn't damage your personality, I can clearly see that now.
>>74286112
Like anyone would take advice from a nu-male german.
>>74285901
My father and I have a healthy relationship - besides the fact I am somewhat hesitant to meet with him. I instantly have feelings of dread, those I'd felt when he physically punished me.
Fuck off, you're just trying to discredit my story because you don't like that it happened to someone.
>>74286013
We had a puppy once, a big chocolate lab. Sweetest dog ever, loved us kids and would do anything to protect us.
However he was dumb as shit as a puppy and got fucking huge so fast he would try to play with us kids and knock us down.
My dad verbally told him "No!" many times and forced him to sit and look ashamed while my dad said "Bad. Bad."
This is exactly how you should train a dog, but this dog wouldn't listen, it would just get rowdy while playing with us and knock us down hard.
One day he knocked my sister down on her back and she hit the back of her head and screamed at the top of her lungs in pain.
My dad beat the ever living fuck out of that dog that day and it literally never knocked anyone down again, and was the best dog we had growing up. Big ass loving chocolate lab.
Sometimes you have to hit.
Period.
Or it can be abused.
>6 years old
>Dad recently signed me up for hockey
>wake up saturday morning, get myself some cereal and start watching cartoons
>dad wakes up
>enters the room and open palm slaps me
>i'm knocked clear off the couch and onto the floor
>I start crying
>daddy what did I do! Why did you hit me
>he is 6 feet tall 210 lbs in his early 40s
>you forgot to go to your hockey game you little idiot
>apparently the six year old boy is in charge of knowing the schedule for something he doesn't know about
Encouraging spanking just gives bad parents the excuse to hit and abuse their children whenever they want if something goes wrong because they are "disciplining" them.
>>74286023
If calling you out on your projection hurt your feelings, that is your mental damage from abusive relationships that is causing the discomfort.
I am not projecting so your words are empty to me. I don't feel anything. Except sorry that you had to go through such a miserable childhood.
My parents were abusive too, but I recovered from it. I don't pretend to myself that I love them when I don't and it feels good.
>>74286388
Children aren't dogs you moron.
>>74285884
Nigger. Calm down. Look at your rambling.
>>74286489
>I've never been a parent, let me tell you about parenting
>>74286489
>Children aren't dogs
A. Fucking. Leaf.
Using OP's argument your employers should have the right to spank you if you do something wrong.
>>74286489
They're very similar though.
>>74279782
surely every person in history before the 1970s was mentally scarred by this
>>74286489
Humans are just as animal as dogs are believe it or not. We still have the same instincts and function in very similar ways.
>>74286489
They're close enough.
>>74284063
I've used various implements, but I don't like to draw blood because it is messy. She's got a surprising pain tolerance and like choking. So physically I got nothing. I just use humiliation and withdrawal of privileges.
Also, /pol/ probably is having some mixed feelings about my degeneracy right now.
>>74286595
Listen Stefan, I know you think your making arguments but you're actually not.
Employers aren't parents.
They aren't comparable.
They aren't even metaphorically comparable.
Stefan please end your life.
>>74279302
Corporal punishment(spanking) is to be done as a corrective measure and not as a means of letting out your anger and frustration via physical violence. The child should be told to not do the thing they did wrong and if the child persists they are told why the action is bad and then you spank them so they know the consequence for misbehaving.
You do not say stop doing that then hit them immediately for disobeying. The child gets mixed signals as well when you threaten to spank or punish them and then don't. If you warn them and the kid tries you, you must commit. It's difficult for women(single mothers especially) to not go on emotions and ground kids or spank them out of exasperation and frustration.
Personally, my dad did all the spanking to me when I was a kid but it stopped at about 8 or 9 when he knew he could talk and reason with me. You can't logically reason with a 4 year old. Stop listening to imbeciles like Stefan Molyneax who merely go off confirmation biases and his own personal, childhood trauma.
>>74286665
There is one thing that humans have which dogs do not. Moral agency.
>>74283951
And white people spanked their kids and created scientists and engineers. Niggers are filth because of their genetic lineage, nothing more convoluted than that.
If a kid is misbehaving and does not correct themselves with a warning, you spank them. Timely punishment is not going to leave any trauma.
>>74286392
You think these kinds of people are going to give a shit about your fucking studies anyway? Your dad was gonna abuse you regardless of what anyone else said, just like a murderer ignores the law.
>>74286489
They're cognitively similar, there's studies on this.
>>74279302
Actually it's the FASTEST way to mutilate the behaviour of a child, used by people who should not have parents. The fastest, but the worse.
>>74286388
>>74286665
And that dog was shit-scared of its owner now, the beating didn't made it respect its owner.. Is that really what you want your children to think of you when they grow up.
>>74286736
>children are moral creatures with agency
Lol. Yeah, children are so moral when they throw rocks at eachother because one called the other a butthead, or puch another kid out of a tree and knock a tooth out because they wouldn't let him play with a GI Jow figure.
Yeah children are just people goyim, just like adults.
>>74286844
Are you legit retarded? You do realize dogs are pack animals, right? I mean, you're just fucking me. Right?
>>74286703
Indeed, you are with your employer voluntarily and can leave if you hate being spanked so much. Your child, on the other hand, is completely at your mercy.
>>74286722
Also, for anyone wondering, I'm in my late 20s, was spanked by hands, switches(tree branch kek), and a belt. I have no mental issues, no emotional trauma, no criminal record, I love my parents, and I'm black.
>>74285411
I'll need a toothbrush with that banter
>>74286844
He wasn't scared of my dad at all, motherfucker that dog would sit at the front windoe for an hour before my dad came hom 5 days a week without fucking fail and go ape shit when he would come up the driveway.
Fucking kill yourself you fucking stupid shitlib ancap retard.
>>74286736
>Moral agency.
Most don't. We still act based on instinct no matter the situation. Very very few people have morals AND live by them without ever straying.
>>74286844
It doesn't matter if they respect you after they grow up, as long as you instill proper values into the core of their beings and live life as respectful human beings.
>>74279302
Spanking should only be done as a last resort, so its no excuse for lazy parenting.
>b-b-but muh psychologists, muh sociologists
These 'scientists' conflate beating with spanking. You can clearly tell which is abuse and which is discipline. And we know it can have a positive effect on the outcome of the kid. Case in point:
https://youtu.be/7MKz9cdl9QI?t=3m53s
>Disciplined by his dad
>Gets masters in Chemical engineering, learns martial arts, gets ripped, becomes model, becomes famous movie star, becomes millionaire, literally the aryan ubermensch that Hitler idealized
Ugh.. I hate you OP
>>74286982
Which is precisely why it's the responsibility of the parent to employ direct corporal punishment when appropriate to modify bad behavior that can't be modified in other ways.
That's the job and the burden of a parent.
>>74284875
>My dad hit me
That's not corporal punishment, it's domestic abuse. Getting smacked and punched around isn't the same as a spanking.
>>74287054
Amen.
These fucking faggot shitlibs and ancaps need a giant nigger dick down their throats.
Spanking teaches values and creates assertive upstanding men and submissive honorable women.
>>74286881
You're not born with moral agency, cretin. It's learned. Of course if your parents dump you off at Mrs. Padilla Rodríguez daycare and never talk to you then you'll not learn what moral values are.
I saw a mother and a kid on the bus the other day, the kid was trying to talk to his mother but she was just writing shit on facebook and ignoring the kid completely. It was sad to see. Another copy of you in the making.
>>74287035
I am referring to the ability. Every human save for a few who are mentally damaged beyond repair are capable of it. It's a learned thing and if people aren't taught it, of course they don't have it. That's not ideal though. These people who no moral agency are the people who want communism. You can beat them up to make them submit, but sooner or later they'll raise an army by procreating and then you'll have them skin you alive for anti-state thought crimes or whatever.
http://www.madinamerica.com/2016/05/past-child-abuse-may-influence-adult-response-to-antidepressants/
http://news.utexas.edu/2016/04/25/risks-of-harm-from-spanking-confirmed-by-researchers
>>74279302
Yes.
It is also the sexiest.
>>74287098
Burden? It's your easy way out of having to invest a lot of time into your child and now you even try to make it seem like it's heavier on you than the child you beat to compensate for not having the dedication to try to raise your child properly?
Just admit that you don't want to have to put in the effort to improve yourself in this regard, ancaps don't advocate to have your children taken away from you, after all. Although you may find yourself abandoned by your children when you grow old and become a burden to them.
>>74287337
>Estonia
>Talking about morals
>>74287158
He hit me with a belt and hand, how do you spank some one without hitting them? It's a contradiction of definition.
You either hit someone to force compliance through violence or you don't. To be fair though, I have a bit of respect for my dad. He didn't do this often, and he was always there taking me to his job sites and road trips. My mother on the other hand laid it thick with the feminine emotional abuse. 0 respect for her. Played the victim too when my dad, according to her, cheated on her. Bitch, you ain't a victim, you chose this man.
>>74287683
Yeah, they must've fucked up along the way with you and it had little to nothing to do with spanking.
>>74287337
>Every human save for a few who are mentally damaged beyond repair are capable of it. It's a learned thing and if people aren't taught it, of course they don't have it.
It's not about just teaching someone. As I said, we still behave based on instinct. The same way we did when we lived in caves and hunted animals. The person who infallibly follows a set of moral principles even when it goes against the savage needs of his biology is a miracle. The only way to truly instill morals into someone's core is to target those same instincts.
Corporal punishment is exactly that. When you physically punish any animal while also sticking its nose in its wrongdoings, this gets imprinted on the biological level. Inside their brains, their actions get paired with the result of pain and they cease to do those actions in the future because they subconsciously understand that it will lead to pain.
That's the only way you're going to make morality trump over instinct. There is no other way.
>>74287939
Moral values always override instinct. It just takes a mental state slightly harder than tofu.
>>74287900
That's what I said. Spanking was part of it. You're just making excuses for abusive parents. I have no idea what kind of horse you have in this race. If I had to guess, you're either an abusive parent and this makes you feel uncomfortable because children don't forget your abuse or you're an abused child who is pretending to love their parents.
Being hit didn't make me better. I used to be pretty violent when I was younger. I'd use violence to get what I want. Of course, eventually a bigger badder more violent person showed up and then I couldn't get what I wanted anymore. Ain't that a shame.
>>74288290
>Of course, eventually a bigger badder more violent person showed up and then I couldn't get what I wanted anymore
This is exactly what spanking teaches you literal fucking retard.
>>74288290
>Moral values always override instinct.
No they don't, because every cell in your body has been programmed for millions of years to survive, acquire resources and reproduce by any means necessary. The concept of morality has only existed for perhaps a few thousand years.
Show me a single person that says that he's never wronged anyone for personal gain and I'll show you a liar.
>>74288407
Oh, so you're saying that spanking teaches you to beat on people who are weaker than you?
Great argument for spanking champ, I had to double check your ID because I couldn't understand why you'd be making my argument for me.
>>74288469
They do, though. Don't you see muslims suicide bomb? They do so because of moral conviction. Every cell in their body wants to live and reproduce, yet they choose to die which goes against the very nature of a living organism.
Morality always trumps instinct. That's why you can't rely on people who have warped moral values to work in their self interest, because their morality overrides natural instincts. Do you think Swedes for example want to be genocided instinctually? I don't think they do.
>>74288807
>Oh, so you're saying that spanking teaches you to beat on people who are weaker than you?
No you fucking imbecile, it teaches you that if you fuck up badly enough there WILL be painful repercussions.
It teaches you that even those who love you most will still make you hurt if you fuck up bad enough to deserve it.
It teaches you there are boundaries to acceptable behavior and crossing that line will not end well for you.
It sounds to me like you're just a total fucking imbecile who literally can't function as a normal human being or understand basic social dynamics.
You're very, very likely an actual autistic person.
