I hate signs like this... Recently u find them at restaurants and businesses all over the Bay Area... They're designed to demonize poor, underpaid workers and are part of a larger campaign connected to the Chamber of Commerce who opposed paying workers a decent wage...
What makes this so offensive is that you never see signs explaining that prices have increased to pay the hundred thousand & million dollar salaries of corporate executives to these billion dollar multi-national companies..
You never see signs explaining price hikes because the cost of gas to truck in supplies have gone up or that electricity rates have increased...
What u have are businesses doing the cowardly act of demonizing workers and creating a hostile environment for workers... Such signs are designed to have poor folks going into a fast food joint read a sign like this and then wanting to give a stink eye and throw shade at a beleaguered worker...Call it divide and conquer. Call it deflection..Call it straight up bullshyt on behalf of businesses too cheap to share the wealth with their workers..
I asked the folks at this KFC if this sign was standard procedure and why hadn't they put up signs explaining price increases in the past? I recall when chicken was two dollars and not 5.. I ain't seen no signs explaining the price increases in the past, so why now?
No one had any answers.. The response I got was them saying: 'a lot of our customers were asking why their 5 dollar specials had increased'? They couldn't even say that with conviction.. We all know that wasn't the case and I let them know that.. I also noted as I have done with other businesses sporting these signs it isn't cool to make workers a scapegoat when they make billions
As a rule if I see a business whether is KFC or a local food truck with wack ass signs like this I take my hard earned money and spend it elsewhere... Shame on KFC and any other food joint posting signs like this!!
>>74258707
>poor, underpaid workers
>can literally be replaced tomorrow by a retarded ATM that sells burgers
They're lucky that anyone pays them money to do anything at all.
>>74258707
>triggered
>>74258707
>Wanting an increased minimum wage
>Having to pay more to offset the costs
Hey $15 an hour proponents, this is what you wanted right? Expect it to get a LOT more expensive for goods and services now.
Money has to come from somewhere.
You're not entitled a job. You're not entitled to high wages.
America is a business. Every employee voluntarily walked into their position and they agreed upon their wages with their employer.
If you don't like your employer, no one is forcing you to work there.
If you want to make more money, go work for someone else.
Otherwise it's a private business and if companies want to have a sign out front of a horse buttfucking a monkey, they could absolutely do that.
fuck off underage b&
>>74258707
>u
Stopped reading there, nigger.
>>74258707
If customers want to know why their food suddenly got exuberantly expensive, they have the right to know.
>>74258707
>I also noted as I have done with other businesses sporting these signs it isn't cool to make workers a scapegoat when they make billions
But this is complete bullshit. The individual franchises who pay the workers are, for all purposes but legally, small businesses. It's not like the corporate office is sending down money to the local stores to pay the workers.
>>74260206
This, I'd love to see all the fast food restaurants move over to the self checkouts where those minimum wage laws get passed.
>>74258707
>im a child and dont like being held accountable for my actions. stop excuse-shaming me shitlorts.
>>74260206
>>74260443
I wouldn't be surprised if behind the campaigns for raising the minimum wage there was some jew trying to sell more robots.
>>74260289
>America is a business.
>>74260289
I laffed
>>74258707
0/10
Try harder next time.
50 cents? That's it? Hell I'm willing to pay an extra 50 cents for their employees to have nearly double federal minimum wage
>>74260289
>America is a business.
Truer words have never been said. That's why I shit on every pro-American "nationalist" everywhere.
Pro-American means to destroy your nation and culture and turn it into business.
>>74260443
It would increase a need for higher learning as those machines will need people to build/repair/maintain them.
>>74260206
Still need the cooks. That only eliminates about 2 jobs per location.
>>74260835
That's exactly what a commie would say.
>>74258707
FUck you commie cunt, I am so tired of people like you.
>>74260835
It's not double moron, it's $8 now.
>>74260258
But but but muh CEOs
>>74261042
My bad, I misread op. Here in Florida our minimum wage is $8 and I haven't seen a single business with this. Besides, $8 isn't unreasonable. I'd argue for $9.
>>74258707
You can partition out the entire corporate sallary of every CEO and barely dent the wage of workers at an individual level.the real answer is the cost of labor is not worth the money
>>74258707
If you can be replaced your not skilled
>>74261176
LOL I was making 9.50 /hr in 2001 working at walmart.
How can anyone slave away for $8? Holy shit.
I wont even take a job that pays less than 15/hr now. Infact, I stopped working all together and just work for myself. Something around $80/hr but only taking in 1.5k-2k per month with minimal effort.
>>74261277
Thanks to globalism everyone can be replaced.
>>74258707
Get Fucking Rekt you stupid faggot
>>74258707
>take my hard earned money and spend it elsewhere
That's how you show them to support increased minimum wage instead of shutting down and putting all the workers out of jobs!
Minimum wage only causes more low skill workers to lose their jobs.
>>74258707
The poor are despicable. You can actively change your situation m go back to fucking school, get a trade in some community college and take out a few loans.
There you fucking go. Asking for $15 an hour is absolutely filthy. I'll fucking replace you all with machines if I could.
Let them eat cake, so to speak!
>>74261337
You sound like a walking spam email
>>74260835
This tbhfam
apart from that, what kind of a fat as fatass eats at KFC? Those people deserve to have their prices raised. We literally pay for those fatsos in every other aspect of life.
Hell, they are probably using my tax money to buy that shit anyway, might as well go to people who actually work for a living instead of you neet autists desperate for tendies
How can they expect you to even fucking do more than show up for $8/hr? Holy fucking Christ lol. That is so fucking ape shit retarded.
I couldn't handle it, could you imagine some fat bitch manager telling you to mop or arrange shit on pegs faster when you are being paid a slave wage? That's like an hour every day dedicated just to paying for gas to get to work and back. Two hours for breakfast and lunch.
Holy fuck you would have a better hand to mouth existence living in the swamp
>>74260835
Thanks for bringing some common sense to this thread.
>>74261360
nope. the tech sector, yeah. but are you gonna import a drafter from bumfuckistan? if youre good enough, you will be kept. & most jobs arent affected by globalism.
>>74261137
CEOs will let the lowest rungs burn. They only care about profit and are willing to take a few hits on the chin to preserve their own profits.
Hell even I am not an economist, but even I know that if you raise the minimum wage instead of lowering the cost of living, everything gets more expensive. Companies have to make a profit, and that means everything related to labor costs, materials, and upkeep (Utility costs) must be calculated into the budget.
>>74261555
>if you're good enough
If you're cheap enough. If he can get someone to do it cheaper, he will.
>>74261461
The trick THEY dont want you to know about!
I basically just sell shit on amazon. Spend about 30 minutes a day packing and sending orders out, then depending on what I have, adding shit to sell automatically on amazon (FBA fee rapes me a bit)
Its so god damn easy. It took a little work in the start, but now I normally just bulk buy something from china for $2000 to make $3-4k in profits from individual sales.
I just chill the fuck out and watch the checks come in. Once I get this crap house I bought reappraised (all this free time let me upgrade it) Probably borrow against that equity and roll it into a new house and start the rental train
Its so god damn easy and I am really angry at myself for stressing out over working for so many years. I was in retail management and I swear to god no amount of money is worth waking up in the middle of the night after dreaming about deposits, payroll and fucking items on shelves.
My big goal is to make 1-2k net profit from passive income then just fuck off somewhere in the woods
I don't understand the fixation on minimum wage.
Isn't it far more useful to lower the cost of living so that the minimum wage is enough? There's plenty of low hanging fruit in regulation that props up home prices and rents.
Plus, even people earning far more than minimum wage stand to gain from cheaper living.
Oh no, an entire- I mean half a dollar!
Eat the rich.
>>74260206
Yeah, they're lucky they have any place at all in their own country.
Bunch of ingrates. Don't they know we're doing them a favor by letting them make burgers?!
>>74261176
Id argue its too high already
>>74261710
Incorrect. I am a network engineer team lead (the hiring decisionmaker as well for a team of 8) at a fairly large Service Provider.
Cheap is not what is looked for in actual skilled trades. Quality work is foremost, wages are pretty irrelevant because the profits are so massive margin-wise that you can pay the labor what the labor demands.
Basically, you're only worth what you're worth. If you bring a diverse and rare set of skills and a stellar work ethic, you're worth almost any price to a mission-oriented firm.
If you're a lazy pot-smoking fucktard with no past and no future, you're not worth the chair you're sitting in. Luckily for you, large swathes of your peers over decades/centuries have determined that by simply existing and being willing to perform ape-tier menial labor, you're guaranteed a certain amount of pay.
It's fucking pathetic. If you make minimum wage, you're a worthless, pathetic asset that can be replaced at the drop of a hat.
>>74261811
>Isn't it far more useful to lower the cost of living so that the minimum wage is enough?
That would require repealing a law, and to the progressive all new regulations are progress.
If they're even aware of the government's effects on prices in the first place.
>>74260956
Is anyone going to acknowledge this?? What about the chefs living on minimum wage?
KFC is poison cancer food! Full of MSG. Col. Sanders was pioneer in neurotoxin flavor enhancers. Eat KFC and die with holes in your guts!!!!!
It's easy to find another job, you just have to look. All it takes it going around for fullfilling jobs or jobs that have manual labor in them.
I went from a shitty minimum wage job to a full time warehouse job by simply asking to see a manager. It was easy and the job, while difficult, is rewarding. I could even get better if I get my Forklift license or my truck license under the company.
You're not forced to work there so quit, go around and find another job. It's your fault you're working at a retailer or fast food restaurant.
>eating at KFC
Gross. Meanwhile, the customer base of KFC is relying on untold millions of taxpayer money to help pay for their scooters and ER visits. Fat people are the absolute bottom of society.
>>74261901
That's exactly what a capitalist would say.
>>74258707
I hate them also because all fastfood employees should be replaced by robots.
I don't need a human to swipe a credit card and pay for a bucket of chicken and I don't need a human to bring me a bucket and say "huv a good day!".
All fastfood workers should be replaced with robots by the end of this year.
Fuck wasting humans
>>74260956
2x20,000=40,000
7.50*40,000=280,000
$280k saved every hour
Everyone once and a while I will get a coupon for this fucking franchise and figure i'll give it a go.
The chicken quality and side quality has gone WAY DOWN. Its like a potato wedge/boneless chicken finger factory now.
Remember when KFC had a buffet?
>>74261525
Sure is Reddit in here...
>>74262199
the one where I live still does
>>74262065
That's exactly what anyone with economical education who prefers stability & personal wealth over gross national wealth increase would say.
>>74260289
>Go find another job elsewhere lol
>Not understanding the limitations of transportation and the value of labor
>Not understanding that almost everyone would pay less than min wage if they could
And to top it off
>Calling somebody else underaged
Go live in the world after you graduate high school
>>74261429
wow thats a lot of niggers
>>74262129
It will more then likely happen, not this year, but you better believe places like McDonald's and crap will be jumping at the chance, artifical wage increases like the ones being pushed will only serve to push automation further anyway, not to mention simply raise the cost of living, people are to stupid to understand the difference between an increased number and a true wage increase via the value of the money you make in general.
>>74258707
The sign is a provocation and a political statement. It causes unnecessary bad blood between the owner, the workers and the customers.
But hey, it's his business.
As with everything, you get what you pay for. If you keep paying your best workers the minimum wage, they are going to leave and only the slack will remain at your store.
>>74260616
THE PLOT THICKENS
>>74261710
>Montenegro GDP Per Capita: $7,106.86 USD (2013)
You're poorer than an average Mexican.
>>74261475
i used to eat KFC when i was in middle school, didnt think it was too bad
if i eat it now i want to throw up, it tastes like fried cancer
the biscuits were always good to me imo
>>74258707
They put it up to explain to the dumb people who eat there why the price increased on a product that is usually called 5$ fill up. Blacks will act all crazy cause it says "five dolla..why u gunna charge meh five fortay nine hmmm i wants a refunds"
They can easily increase the costs on everything else because it doesn't come with the price in the name of the special. Why are you bothered by a sign that explains things to dumb people? Oh wait you're a faggot liberal that doesn't understand economics. Just because you barely noticed now that when min wage and regulations like obamacare makes prices go up. You didn't notice or care back then when there weren't signs. Stay ignorant and blissful.
>>74258707
This needs to happen so that when companies actually start trying to accommodate their workers instead of shitting all over them like Wendy's or KFC, businesses like these will go under or be permanently maligned.
Where do you think a skilled, experienced worker is going to go? To the company that makes consumers pick up all the slack to that the top management can keep their paychecks?
>>74258707
>money to pay increased wage costs doesn't come from thin air
>film at 11
>>74260956
The cook and prep can be automated as well. Ever been inside a grocery store. Pretty much everything on the shelves was cooked and prepped by machines with minimal human intervention. Also, it's more than 2 jobs per location. Depending on how busy the location is and if it needs 2 cashiers at all times or if they can get by with one during slower hours, you're looking at at least 6 jobs eliminated when accounting for different shifts and days off.
>>74262135
Yeah, so the money can be used to raise the min wage even higher. It's a win win situation. We need to automate away shit jobs.
>>74260258
Better than it coming from my taxes
>>74258707
>: A lot of our customers were asking why their 5 dollar specials had increased'?
Yeah that's probably never the case. Something that was the same price for some time was raised and certainly noone ever asked why it became more expensive?
How good that some vigliant citizen like yourself with the ability to see through the capitalist system was there to contradict them and explain to everyone else that the store doesnt put up these signs to explain the raise to them but to shill for some shady malicious entity.
Put the bong down you retard.
>>74264097
But they could just as easily write "It's 5.49 because our bosses need to make 100,000 times as much as you make"
equally true, but they would never write that, as that's not the kind of class warfare thy want to instigate.
>>74261988
>>74262029
Don't listen to these communist faggots. They wouldn't know good food it you shoved it down their throats.
>>74264505
fatass detected
I'm a commie liberal sjw vegan
fat people are on a level with trump supporters
>>74264505
KFC's PR please.
Everybody knows it is nigger grade food.
>>74264648
Exactly, Argentina. There is a reason why you see so many KFC's in South Africa, particularly around Johannesburg.
>>74258707
MAN my favorite burrito truck on 48th and international raised their prices to 10 dollars for their super burrito.
Fuck that shit. Fuck you oakland
Its fucking fried chicken, they charge $40 for a family meal. For $20 worth of chicken, soybean oil mac and cheese, old canned vegetables, instant mashed potatoes and some biscuits.
>>74258707
Okay. You're doing the American thing and voting with your dollar. Do you want a fucking cookie? Fuck off back to plebbit.
>>74258707
>You never see signs explaining price hikes because the cost of gas to truck in supplies have gone up or that electricity rates have increased...
Because those things are called "commodities", or their public infrastructure equivalent, "utilities". The pricing fluctuates and is based on cost of sourcing.
>>74261730
Could you elaborate a bit more on your startup?
i'm glad you think human workers are less important than utility bills
>>74264783
I also never get an explanation for why my rent goes up every year but I don't need one because I'm not retarded.
inb4 "still renting lol"
>>74264206
>Raise minimum wage more
>Supports basic income
I'd be surprised if your high school lets you walk for graduation next month, because you obviously failed economics
>>74264411
People think min wage only raises for people making min wage. It's not true at all. If min wage was 8$/hour and you're making 9$/hour, when min wage raises to 9$/hour -- do you think you're gonna be okay with making min wage when you've been making more than that given your experience affords you a slightly higher wage than min wage? If you're making 5 bucks an hour over min wage, are you gonna not going to ask for a raise when min wage is 10 or 15 bucks an hour? It affects all costs.
Only ignorant people see this as blaming min wage workers for the price increase. Every service the retailer uses will be higher because min wage went up. Everyone they do business with will raise their prices accordingly whether they have min wage workers or not. Why can't people understand this?
good
maybe fast food will be priced up high enough that people stop getting so fucking fat on it
>>74258707
>Be unskilled worker.
>Get a raise from $10/hour to $15/hour.
>Ten other people get the same, so does the second and third shift.
>There are 30 people getting paid an extra $5/hour, all working 8-hour shifts.
>That's $1200 a day, $36,000 per month.
>Some dickhead complains because we tell our customers.
Fuck you, dude.
>>74264783
Also, companies try to conceit their cost structure from competition.
If you read the sign, it says "to support" the minimum wage increase. It never says that the increase covers it by 100%.
>>74258707
Hey retard, they had to raise prices because they raised the minimum wage. That's not demonizing anyone, it's stating a fact. I'm sorry that you feel oppressed by reality.
>>74265496
What does this have to do with what I was saying.
I agree that worker wages have costs. So do executive wages. The only difference is that executive wages are fucking ridiculous, while worker wages are attempting to reach liveable.
Why focus on the wages that are trying to become reasonable and ignore the wages that are exorbitant? The answer to that is obvious. They don't want you indignant at crazy assholes who actively lie to you and kill you with their shitty products. They want you indignant at regular folks just trying to make a living; that way, you'll forget about how absurd their whole existence even is.
>>74261602
The ceos and owners can do what they want. They own the fucking company. If they want to shut it down and put thousands out of work and run with the profits they can do it if they want. I'd wager to say it's kind of them not to. If you had some shiny object and someone said "hey give me some of that" you'd tell them to fuck off
>>74261525
>I'll pay 50 cents more so that employees can make 50 cents more
>I don't understand economics
I wonder how you'll feel when you are paying 5-7 dollars more for products to fund an inflated income, oh and you can go ahead and throw that into most of your other typical costs of living as well, especially when you realize that it's not even benefiting the workers as they too will see an inflated cost of living, you brain dead faggot.
>>74258707
Well when because of being paid better, they don't qualify for section 8 or food stamps, then I make my money back by not being taxed. And I can choose whether or not to buy KFC food or not unlike paying taxes.
>>74265661
>conceit
*conceal
>>74265737
Nigger what are you talking about? The sign explicitly says that they are raising the price in order to pay for the increase in wages. Anon (and me, and every other decent person) thinks "fine; I'll pay an extra .50 for this trash poison food so that they guy can exist"
Am I the only person on /pol/ who would rather pay 50 cents more for their fast food meal than pay higher taxes to support the food stamps and medicare for workers who are paid $7.50 an hour?
>>74265938
I make enough money that .50 is a non issue. It seems that's it's the principle of the thing.
Also, if you raise the price of fast food by .50 then the people that predominantly eat fast food (i.e. poor people) will pay .50 more for it. They're cost of living has already gone up in direct response to their increase in income. That's an immediate increase.
Slippery slope and all that. I don't know, I'm still sleepy.
>>74261730
intrigued to know more
>>74261730
What do you sell anon?
>>74264841
He's illegally importing and selling cheap goods from China, it's great until the port authority finds him
>>74265879
>I dont comprehend basic economics but other people who disagree are niggers
Yeah, and the minimum wage isn't 15 and hour yet you moron, 50 cent price raise for a 50 cent wage raise is just the beginning, especially when it's not going to change anything aside from raising cost of living. You really need to stop correlating higher number with more wealth, it makes your stupidity obvious.
>>74264411
Bit of an exaggeration, but they need to make that much. They're running a fucking company, and thinking on a whole new level compared to your average autopilot worker. I understand why you're jealous, but most of these CEOs work from 6am-10pm and are on call 24/7 every day of the year. Not to mention their work literally, not figuratively, adds that much more value to the company.
>>74261730
>>74266332
>>74266369
You three, see this:
>>74266375
>>74266381
What are you talking about? When did I ever suggest any of the things you are talking about?
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT, FAGGOT?
>>74266491
They're running a shitty company shittily. They should be strung up, not rewarded. And no, they don't need to make that much. For what reason do they need to make that much?
KFC shouldn't even exist.
>>74266516
Wow, I lost you that fast, you are worse off then I thought
What the fuck happened to education in this country....
>>74260443
what is this picture from?
I've seen signs complaining about card fees that were, frankly, insulting to my intelligence. Anytime you see one call in and complain.
>>74266635
It's strikes me that you are just inferring a bunch of shit I never said or was even talking about.
>>74266375
You sure that's illegal? You just have to pay import taxes...
>>74261730
Most companies start off in garages like this but people should know lots of businesses also fail because it's hard to compete with companies in china that ship from china. Unless people are hard up on getting an item within a few days rather than a few weeks. People will go with the item shipped from china that costs less. People also don't know how much amazon/ebay charges in fees. It all factors into higher prices.
You still have to pack items, print shipping label, take them to the post office (most small garage operations don't have UPS/Fedex account pickup). I guess you can get the USPS to do pickups but i believe even they may charge.
Lots of companies small operations like these go under when there just isn't enough people buying from them.
>>74266624
He's running an international organization consisting of multiple companies. I'm sorry you don't understand the scope of that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yum!_Brands
>>74266679
It strikes me that you simply don't understand the relevance.
Can someone just nuke us please? If faggots like anon are our future, we simply have no future.
>>74266375
its not illegal to order goods from overseas.
people do it all the time.
>>74267091
Who is "he"?
You think there is only one guy? And that guy is the only guy who makes way more money than he deserves?
He's running a company that produces garbage food with immoral methods at a ridiculous mark-up. It shouldn't even exist were we actually "voting with our dollars" (what we are actually doing is mindless consumption, and while I know you Trump idiots vote similarly mindlessly, the rest of us take our actual votes more seriously than buying a chicken sandwich.)
>>74267125
Well, it strikes me that you can't explain the relevance, because what I said was true. You were just inferring a bunch of shit because you are a premature ejaculator in lots of aspects of your life, not just the one.
>>74264206
Welfare niggers and white trash instantly prove that image wrong. They destroy their communities, grow fat and develop substance abuse issues, and they're usually the angriest people you will ever meet.
>>74267395
>There's a market for cheap convenient food
>They're shouldn't be companies producing cheap convenient food
This shit is why you're poor. You need to think on a different level.
>>74258707
I work in a fast foods distribution chain for a large qsr
said qsr pays $.60 for a fully packaged and bagged hamburger
said qsr charges customer $1.29 for the hamburger
>>74260835
It's more than 50 cents. The price of every business goes up and it adds up.
>>74261555
You really think your trades job is safe because you assume people wouldn't hire a migrant? You're just as retarded as the burger flippers you bash.
>>74261525
You're the reason why your country is a shithole.
>>74267829
lol
Right, there shouldn't be a market for people producing products that ultimately hurt us (our health, our environment, our morality).
Look, I'm not a free market devotee, you stupid faggot. I'm not a slave to your idiotic doctrines that think poison factories should exist because there is a "market" for it.
These markets are largely manufactured by our own suggestibility as humans anyway. The existence of a market doesn't imply that it should exist.
>>74261429
Why would a company willingly allow for a union, anyway? Isn't a Union basically workers calling the shots at your company and you have little say in how long they work or even firing them if you want to? Seems like one big penalty against the company.
>>74264567
>>74264648
Fat fucks detected.
Protip: You won't get fat if you don't eat the entire family meal by yourself in one sitting after a hard day of office "work" and video games.
>fucking welfare trash
>fucking workers wanting to earn enough money to not need welfare
make up your minds conservatives
>>74268106
lol
no u
good response, you fat piece of garbage.
one of us thinks KFC shouldn't exist. hint: he's not the fat one.
>>74267836
Of course they do, what do you expect? A 10 cent profit margin?
>>74268197
overheads are not as oppressive as some would have you believe
In bourgeois society, surplus value is acquired by the capitalist in the form of profit: the capitalist owns the means of production as Private Property, so the workers have no choice but to sell their labour-power to the capitalists in order to live.
>>74266624
They
1. can affect the success of companies greatly
2. are usually exceptional individuals not easyly replaced
3. carry the risks of running a business infinitely more than your average minimum wage worker.
List goes on. CEO's job isn't as easy and greener grass as it from seems to be from your perspective. This affects their salary.
>>74268195
Except I'm not wrong. Food doesn't make you fat, eating too much and being lazy makes you fat. Calories in calories out. It's a scientific fact.
Stay fat and mad, retard.
>>74268336
I know. Doesn't mean I have to sell a burger for $0.70 if the costumers is both willing and able to buy them for $1. If it would be profitable to sell them at a lower price, some company would do so in order to lure people into their locations.
>>74268693
>food doesn't make you fat
>calories in calories out
>he doesn't know that food contains calories
look, you have a beer guy, you fat piece of shit
>>74258707
>labor % at a KFC runs the high end of 18% at dinner time
>minimum wage increases 20%
>menu prices go up 20%
in the neo trump era right wingers cant into math to save their degenerate lives
>>74258707
Their profits are so ridiculous and they're making the consumer pay more with no increase in quality of the product or decrease in their profit margins. People will just go to cafes, restaurants, or alternative chains, and they'll end up losing money.
>>74268195
>Ban assault food!
Lardass logic.
>>74268693
look breh
I'm a whole foods, plant-based vegan
I couldn't get fat if I tried because I simply can't eat that much.
You're over here severely overweight posting on r/fatlogic, but you think you're good because you dont' lie about it.
You're still fat, and nobody cares if you hate fat people too.
>>74260443
Plz no, i don't want to touch these greased screens.
>>74258707
I have no sympathy for modern fast food workers, they want pay increase but when they start to lose their welfare benefits because higher pay they request less hours to work.
>>74267395
>My retardation is everyone else's problem
Like I said nigger, just because you lack the capacity to understand why what I said is relevant doesn't mean it's any less relevant. It just means you are simple, but that means you should probably keep your opinions on such matters to yourself, I can't explain anything any clearer, it's pretty straight forward, even for an autist. Raising the dollar number some makes on a piece of paper, does not always increase the wealth of that person, especially not if the number on a paycheck being higher is matched by goods and services typically rendered also increase on cost to match the higher number on the pay check. It's a lose lose, and that's the most autist friendly way I can put it, if you still don't understand then you are a lost cause.
>>74268852
Look, what you idiots don't understand is that when you place more obstacles in front of people, more will fail
I understand muh personal responsibility and all, but since I don't have to worry about myself in that regard, I have to look at numbers. And what affects numbers isn't personal responsibility.
We aren't in the midst of an obesity epidimic because of a drastic downturn in personal responsibility. We are here because of an uptick in shitty food.
They benefit; we suffer. And not me from being fat, but me from having to look at fatties.
>>74268701
also doesn't mean you should pay the people who work for you the absolute least amount you can
a qsr in the right location literally prints money
some people are of the opinion that employees are faceless numbers on paper... my company doesn't and pays us all very well for what we do. A guy who stacks boxes all day is making 25 an hour... the company could get people to do the exact same job for min wage but they don't
>>74268957
The problem with all of this is that you still can't explain how it relates to anything I said.
And you can't because it doesn't. You just wanted to get your nut off, and didn't care if it made any sense in context
good for you, you stupid faggot
>>74268769
>Too mad to type properly
Good job.
>>74261602
People have to be able to afford to live.
You get enough angry people starving in the streets and you get flash mobs of Bernie supporters attacking and spitting and making executive orders on everyone who doesnt agree.
All they need is a little more push and they will take over America. Lets not give it to them.
>>74258707
Fuck off idiot this is basic business, the minimum wage increases the price of everything goes up because the extra cost is passed onto the consumer. You're a fucking idiot the greedy CEOs and the corporate heads aren't going to take a 50c paycut just so you can spend less on shitty fast food. They didn't get to the top by being kind caring warm people who were loose with profits.
>>74269168
>whew; good thing he made a typo
aren't you lucky
>>74258707
>prices have increased to pay the hundred thousand & million dollar salaries of corporate executives to these billion dollar multi-national companies
nice meme fucktard
doesn't happen. $5million over $5billion revenue is .1%, literally not measurable
and that's for the 500th highest fortune 500 company. ratio would get lower as revenues increase
and if you're mad, why don't you petition the SEC? it's all their fault anyway for forcing disclosure of executive salaries
who would've thought more information would increase competition?
my high school econ teacher, that's who
>>74269051
>the company could get people to do the exact same job for min wage but they don't
Then it's a nice company, good for you and your coworkers. I assume you have a low exchange rate and little sick leave.
>>74269319
our benefits have declined in recent year but are still superior to most of the rest of the industry
its a private company... no share holders to appease
>>74260835
I imagine a year ago you were one of the imbeciles who incessantly professed that "there would be no change in the price of goods and services with an increase to the minimum wage". You probably thought that with the passage of the ACA "you could keep your plan if you liked it" as well. It's absolutely disgusting to witness the mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance of the left.
kys
>>74258707
>I asked the folks at this KFC if this sign was standard procedure and why hadn't they put up signs explaining price increases in the past?
Because price differences on the supply side are to be expected. That's not what this is. They want to remind people that big government costs money.
>>74260289
>people unironically believe this
Look, there are people who are intentionally lazy, but equating our political system with the economic structure of capitalism alone is why we are seeing such a decline in the west. Blaming the people and not the service providers is exactly how you get people calling for processes that won't work, like socialism or communism.
If capitalism is going to survive, it needs to stop sending us into recessions and depressions and then blaming the workers for asking for living wages.
>>74258707
Idiot, the only people who will get fucked by the increase in minimum wage are the poor folks and customers.
Some companies will not be able to afford paying new minimal wage and thus will fire alot of people.
And those who will be able to pay it, will simply make their products more expensive and thus all of the customers will pay for it.
The rule of thumb is that almost all taxes are transferred onto the customer.
>>74260357
>10% increase
>exuberantly expensive
>>74269279
It wasn't even a coherent sentence.
You seem to be getting assravaged by multiple anons anyway, so I'll just watch until you ragequit or have a stroke.
FUCK THE WORKERS I WANT ROBOTS
Can't ever get my order right at the current wage, why the hell would we raise it ?
Fuck these people and the companies they work for too. pushing this garbage
>>74269718
it was literally a typo, holmes
you have a beer gut, you fat piece of shit
>>74258707
Niggers BTFO.
>:da fuck I need a hia minmum wage fo? I aint got no job!!
>>74269718
oh, you didn't understand what the typo was?
>>74269720
And another thing... HAND WASHING
Pay money for dirty nigger commies making sandwiches w/o gloves on?
Fuck you and fuck them too
>>74258707
Ppl who eat at kfc should have to pay a stupidity tax on top of every other charge
>>74269110
>muh decent person
>I am so smart, I will pay extra moneez so Dat peepole can keep their jawbz
>but anon, the extra money you are paying isn't helping anyone keep their job, it is simply incurring an increased of cost of living across the board, this will match the the inflated false wage increase either way and no one benefits from it
>Dat is ureluvaaant! U r stoopid, it strikes me Dat u r unable to show me how dis matturs.
Repeat after me: Lost. Cause.
>>74262006
This.
I went from managing a fastfood joint to working in a warehouse. Learned the business, and now work as an account executive and make over 70k a year.
>>74269998
top post, m8
next time, wait until it makes sense. you would disappoint a lady something awful if she could stand your grease smell and fatness
>>74269028
>implying people not cooking their own meals is a corporation's fault
Nigga you don't need to eat that shit, poor people don't need to eat that shit. Go to a supermarket, ten pounds of potatoes and ten pounds of onions will not run you more than $20. That's two weeks worth of food at least. McDonald and all that crap existing is not at fault for people making shitty lazy choices and getting fat. It actually is the individuals fault because no one forces anyone to eat garbage. You have tons of affordable healthy food but you choose fast food because you're lazy. That's your fault.
>>74258707
>raise the minimum wage goy
>but keep prices cheap goy
Spoken like somebody who's never worked a real job in their life.
>>74268023
KFC isnt poison when consumed in moderation.
If you hate the US so much, why don't you move? It's not going to change and you have no endgame.
>>74266674
What's wrong with passing the card fee onto the consumer?
If you choose to pay in a way that costs the merchant more money, why shouldn't they force you to pay more?
Flat fee + percentage of the transaction adds up fast.
>>74268023
so edgy
so authoritarian
>>74269998
its not that linear you fucking sperg lord there are thousands of variables that your pathetic little mind cant even comprehend
>>74270106
But they do eat that shit. And I'm not dumb enough to believe that what has changed is something fundamental about human nature. We were always stupid and obscenely open to suggestion.
What has changed is the suggestions to which we are responding.
Since I know that we can't change humankind's endemic stupidity and susceptibility to oft repeated ideas, what we need to do is change the ideas.
>>74270092
>I don't have anything to counter what you said, have a random insult so I can pretend I didn't jest get BTFO
Come back when you have something better than that, your game is weak, just tuck tail and walk away, before you make yourself look even more retarded.
>>74258707
>eating kfc
>>74270249
While that's a lovely post and all, it doesn't actually address any of the things that I said
Indeed, all it does is repeat what I said, which is that I'm not a free market devotee.
The idea that you think that is an insult is stupid beyond belief
The real issue here is that we tax income and not land use
>>74270282
Sory m8
I can't compete with all of your ultra clever images
>>74258707
>explaining that prices have increased to pay the hundred thousand & million dollar salaries of corporate executives
That's because they don't. The CEO of McDonalds made $9.5m in 2013, the most recent year I easily find. If his pay were slashed to $0, it would reduce the price of a Big Mac by about $0.001, or one-tenth of one cent.
Raising the salary of several hundred thousand employees by a few dollars is more significant than what a couple executives can do. McDonald's officially estimated they have approximately 760,000 employees in the US in 2013. If we assume something like 700,000 work as regular employees making at or near minimum wage ($7.25) and work 30 hours per week, this would equal $7.917b in total salary. The official estimate in total salary across all positions from McDonald's is a little higher, numbers varying based on which report or article I read. If we were to raise the minimum wage to $10/hr, their total salary would go up to $10.92b, for a net increase of about $3,000,000,000. McDonald's would have to increase the cost of their Big Mac by about $0.50 (and all other products by a comparable percent) to compensate for the increased salaries.
Increasing the compensation of a single person by a couple million per year has a much smaller effect than increasing the salary of several hundred thousand people by a couple dollars per hour.
The restaurant isn't shaming the poor; it's informing the poor. Prices went up as a direct result of governments decision to make salaries go up. Soon, Wendy's will have signs stating employees have been replaced by kiosks due to higher minimum wages.
This doesn't shame the poor; it shames government.
>>74260835
>double
Even if the 50 cents went DIRECTLY to the employee (It doesn't) that's not exactly double.
1. $0.50 is way more than they needed to raise to compensate the minimum wage increase. This is one of the most popular menu items.
2. The $5 Fill-Up is also a kind of "signature menu item" on the official KFC website. They could have upped the price on literally any other menu item without raising a stir, but instead they up the price on the one item whose official name and nationwide advertising is that it costs $5. This is deliberately provocative.
If the national office tolerates this local franchise doing this (as I'm sure it has been reported to them by now), then fuck KFC.
>>74270395
Are you insane?
If I have the money to buy 20,000 sqft. of land, I shouldn't have to pay taxes because of that.
>>74269901
You're gonna eat the food with the same hands that touched the dirty money, so who cares?
>>74260206
>automate fast food
>someone puts all that equipment in a vending machine set-up
>restaurant that jumped on the automated jew bandwagon have no point of differentiation but higher land and facility costs
>fast food restaurants die
Good end.
>>74270274
> humankind's endemic stupidity
what ever it takes to make you feel better about yourself right?
>>74260206
Drive-through fast food attendants fucked up my orders so much that I'd actually prefer to order on a machine and pay 1$ extra per meal than dealing with those low IQ losers
>>74258707
The reasons that signs are put out for price hikes due to higher employment costs caused by the minimum wage is that this is an uncessary increase in the cost of production of their products.
If the cost of Gas changes or the cost of electricity changes, then those change in large part due to the cost of producing them, not because of government interference.
The plebs need to understand that when you vote for higher min wage you vote for prices of things to go up as a response and that just makes your life more expensive and doesn't solve the problem which is that the poor don't have much money, because increases in wages are eliminated by increased living costs.
>>74258707
>a fucking one post thread, again
Come on, faggots
>>74270495
whatever it takes to avoid addressing the content, right?
look, m8, if you can't respond then don't. it's fine; we both know anyway.
>>74260206
>>poor, underpaid workers
>>can literally be replaced tomorrow by a retarded ATM that sells burgers
>They're lucky that anyone pays them money to do anything at all.
Automation is an eventuality, not a consequence of high wages. This will happen. What will we do then?
>>74260956
>>74261980
Have you worked in fast food or seen it be prepped? It's essentially just an assemblyline with food, the "cooks" aren't doing anything but moving food items from one station to another.
The chefs could most definitely be replaced with machines
>>74270575
>argue against my sweeping generalizations
>>74267016
>a few days rather than a few weeks. People will go with the item shipped from china that costs less.
What?
It's always weeks to get shit shipped from China.
>>74270674
>look, m8, if you can't respond then don't. it's fine; we both know anyway.
>>74267016
I'd also say most small companies fail because they're offering the same shit dozens of other companies offer
>>74270273
Okay faggot, explain to me how what I already described will not happen if we throw out a blanket increase of a number value without adding any actual spending power increase behind the money they make, please explain to me how this will not just lead to more inflation and raise the cost of living to match the arbitrary value increase. Hell, give me one direct long term benefit of doing this at all.
>>74270497
Get a marmitex, João. Where the fuck are you going to put your drink on a moto anyway?
>>74260443
>where those minimum wage laws get passed.
Machines cost cents to run and maintenance costs are minimal. They are cheaper than workers at any wage rate. A business is not going to take the less profitable option then suddenly decide to change when the cost of their bad decision increases.
If a job can be automated, it will be automated, no matter the other considerations.
>>74258707
>What makes this so offensive is that you never see signs explaining that prices have increased to pay the hundred thousand & million dollar salaries of corporate executives to these billion dollar multi-national companies..
Liberals whine about this, but will still get their daily Starbucks.
Starbucks' CEO gets $10 million a year, ~454 times as much as a barista
>>74261864
>Being so much of a peasant minded highschool dropout that you don't know how to make a living without sucking up to giant corporate machine.
You are free to do anything you want. Like start your own business, and in America it costs nothing especially if you have a smart phone already... which they do.
>hardworking immigrants do fine
>drug addled highschool dropout 2nd generation of illegal immigrant parents cant find jobs
>lazy, white overeducated millennials with feminism degrees cant find work.
There truly is justice in the market.
I hope that at least the right-wingers so busily cranking out propaganda like this are getting paid for it.
That would explain why you don't see any coming from the left.
>>74270656
I have, my colleagues used to jam their fingers up eachothers asses before they started work like a prank. I think the japs call it kancho or something. Whenever we got a nigger at the drivethrough we'd just give them all the old burgers that hadn't sold at lunch / dinner lol.
Machines should definitely be introduced to save people having to work in those dreamless shitholes.
>>74260616
Can confirm.
The company I work for does the software for digital kiosks and the owners are known supporters and lobbyists for higher minimum wages.
>>74260289
>America is a business. Every employee voluntarily..
I thank god every day that I was born on the non retarded side of the 49th.
>>74258707
>designed to demonize poor, underpaid workers
It's stating facts.
Facts aren't there to demonise poor people
>>74270743
i'm not going to pretend to be an economist because you are. I know enough to know what i don't.
You on the other hand watched some youtube doc and listened to a podcast and now think your Adam Smith reincarnate
>>74270656
You too. What are you going to do when automation is a reality? And what do you suggest workers do until then, compete with machines until they're making a dollar an hour, then get replaced by machines anyway?
>>74258707
>KFC can't afford to pay it's workers
>Those poor, poor executives
Oh wait, what's this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yum!_Brands
“Yum! Brands, Inc., or Yum! and formerly Tricon Global Restaurants, Inc., is an American fast food company. A Fortune 500 corporation”
“Based in Louisville, Kentucky, it is one of the world's largest fast food restaurant companies in terms of system units—more than 42,600 restaurants around the world in over 130 countries.[1] In 2015, Yum!'s global sales totaled more than US$13 billion.”
Hmm…interesting.
CEO:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Creed
http://executives.findthecompany.com/l/40946/Mr-Greg-Creed
>Total Annual Comp.: $4,973,503
Omg what is he, made out of money? These fucking greedy fucking parasites! How dare they want higher wages!? Yum! will go broke‼
>>74260289
>America is a business.
Allo? Britannia? I wish to givings you many thanks for subjugate in past. God saves ze Queen!
- With many loves from peoples in Quebec.
>>74271122
They have a fiduciary responsibility to squeeze every ounce of profit for the non productive shareholders
>>74270915
>Machines should definitely be introduced to save people having to work in those dreamless shitholes.
You ungrateful dick. First you fuck with the food, then you have the nerve to take the money.
>>74270274
If stupid people can't stop eating poison, then they deserve to be poisoned. I don't care. I can tolerate the existence of fast food because of the convenience during travel. If morons want to die from eating that shit every day, I'm not going to stop them. With your logic we'll have to prohibit alcohol because stupid people can't fucking stop abusing their livers. Sorry buddy but people with self contol can handle that shit and you shouldn't deprive them just to stop morons from hurting themselves. They'll hurt themselves anyway.
>>74260443
they dont let you use your Student Card ;__;
Plus you need some human aspect for quality control,
>>74261602
>CEOs
The vast majority of Fast food outlets are under the watch of corporate CEO's, they are franchised out to whomever. Corporate charges them a fixed amount for the rights to use their brand name. Annually, it could be anywhere from $50,000 to well into the millions depending on how many stores the franchise owns and operates. It's the franchisee's profit margin that is going to get skimmed by a Minimum wage hike. Franchisee's do not have a multi-billion dollar fortune. Each store they own Probably rakes somewhere in range of $20,000 to $60,000 per year depending on the brand, store location and so on. That's enough to make it worth doing but again, they are not exactly swimming in dough and they are person who gets hurt by a hike in overhead and if the overhead is too steep they'll have to give the store back to corporate.
Granted, If you were to ask me, I'd say the deserve to end up broke for being stupid enough to even getting into franchising in the first place.
>>74270870
>That would explain why you don't see any coming from the left.
Every protest you see is from the Left
>>74271122
Aren't the restaurants mainly franchise locations? They have to raise the price to survive, as they also have to pay money to the holding.
LOL MORE THAN HALF OF AMERICAN ADULTS MAKE LESS THAN $30,000 A YEAR. MINIMUM WAGE IN AMERICA IS MUCH MORE THAN FAST FOOD.
>>74271314
in the right spot they make millions don't be fooled by the poor old franchise owner meme
>>74271412
source: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-21/goodbye-middle-class-51-all-american-workers-make-less-30000-year
>>74271293
Well I do care. I would much rather regular people flourish than some sociopathic corporation that commits atrocities on a regular basis, compromises the nation's health (and wealth because of this) and moral standing, and lies and obfuscates just to trick people into buying shit
People are flawed, but a corporation like this is disgusting by design. Why should I abide that?
>>74261980
>Is anyone going to acknowledge this?? What about the chefs living on minimum wage?
Don't worry, it's their turn soon. Fast food is extremely simple to prepare. It's 99% reheating and assembling prepackaged and frozen ingredients. Easily done by machines.
>http://www.gizmag.com/hamburger-machine/25159/
>>74270471
This is an idea that has been around for a very long time.... read this, explains far better than i can
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_value_tax
>>74271047
My job(s) are not currently up for replacement. First is financial analysis and consulting, and people still want a human face for that, plus computers can't wine and dine a client to keep their business and trust.
Second job is infantry platoon commander. Which will never be replaced, by its very nature it is a human leading humans
What do I suggest others do? Get fucked, it's not my problem
>>74260956
>Still need the cooks.
Not for much longer. It's being worked on right now.
>>74271293
>I don't give a fug about the species
>let the cretins breed out of control and feed on garbage
>no way does that make the country fucking suck for the rest of us
>>74269552
I think you missed the joke
>>74271323
People organizing to protest?
I don't see anybody photoshopping a "Trump 2016" onto dumb photos.
>>74271344
>Aren't the restaurants mainly franchise locations?
Of course they are. But why does cash only flow in one direction? Hmmm?? Greg Cook sure does get rich off of money flowing out of those restaurants to him personally. But god forbid he not live an exorbitant lifestyle so other people can fucking survive.
why are fast food employees all fat minorities these days and not young people getting job experience?
>>74265701
so we should make them fire their CEO and spread the millions around?
have you done that calculation?
is this a troll? food is very low margin. Imagine how hard it must be to set up and hire an entire staff for a place, so predominantly fat retard fucks come in at odd hours to buy strange, digusting food.
>>74271215
You may wish to see this thread: boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/74248924 They're claiming /pol/ doesn't make excuses for the rich.
>>74271412
>>74271459
Is it minimum wage or just lack of hours?
>>74271575
I would trust a robot over some slime ball jew in a pin stripe suite
I'm kind of conflicted. Goldstein playing victim over an increase in a minimum wage so he gets one million less out of his hundreds of millions vs entitled niggers thinking they need $15/hr to drop a fryer. Which is worse?
>>74270469
>$0.50 is way more than they needed to raise to compensate the minimum wage increase. This is one of the most popular menu items.
If the wages of the employees at this location were raised from ~$7.25 to $10 per hour, then 50 cents is almost exactly what they needed to raise the price by to compensate.
>>74271734
>is this a troll?
OP does have just one post, so yeah
>>74271717
I wasn't talking about just a CEO
CEO stands for CHIEF executive, which itself implies the existence of other executives who aren't the chief executive.
>>74271673
Assembly plants moving overseas, no way to pay for college, no place in college because of foreign students and third world immigrants, no trade or field labor work because of illegal immigrants.
We got a world of problems imho senpai
>>74271122
Dividing his whole paycheck out to all the other employees wouldn't even equal a 1 cent per hour raise. Learn to math, you fucking retard.
>>74258707
>increase price of fill up
>less people buy fill up
>make less profit
>can't even afford to pay original wages
Didn't really think that one through, did you?
>>74260289
I think it's silly to think that low wage employees, at least in the current market, have much negotiating power. Eliminate corporate welfare and price floors before we expect to see something like wage negotiation coming back.
I don't agree with liberals whining for a $69345345 dollar minimum wage, but I also dislike the mainstream conservative attitude of "everything is fine negotiate your wages lazy fucks lol."
>>74272011
>increase price of fill up
>less people buy fill up
prove it
>>74271656
Why bother with a franchise, why not open your own new store.
Every place started small then expanded.
>49 cent price increase
I'm okay with this
>>74270395
States tax land value. Have you never heard of a property tax?
Most economists will tell you a consumption tax is the best way to raise revenue as government with minimal interference in the market. It should come as no surprise that states receive most of their revenue from a form of consumption tax, the sales tax.
>>74270441
good post
>>74271429
>in the right spot they make millions don't be fooled by the poor old franchise owner meme
Most of the stores that make millions also cost Millions to run because they have to pay a shitload of rent for said's store busy location
I would know. I used to work for an accounting firm that specialized in helping restaurants.
I had a couple of guys who would take home 6 to 8 million a year, but their franchise owned 30 stores when I started and bought up an additional two or more each year. They were one of more successful clients. The vast majority of them made 'Meh' Money. Not really phenomenal but enough to make it worth doing. For every one very successful franchisee, we had two who completely failed because they had no fucking clue how to run a business in the first place
Trust me, I have no sympathy for Franchise owners. I think each and every last one of them is completely retarded for buying into the scheme in the first place but I'm not going to hesitate to shed light on the topic
>>74272076
When was the last time you went to KFC or any fast food?
I haven't been any in a month or so.
Or you could just compare Q4 2015 to Q1 2016 and wait for Q2 2016 to compare.
>>74271575
You should go on vacation in South America or North Africa. You'll see how tall you have to build your walls, and how much broken glass, razorwire, and electric fence is necessary to keep out all those people that you don't personally give a shit about. And remember, no matter what you do, they take over from time to time and your government will destabilize and your money becomes worthless for a generation or so. Good luck with your anarcho-capitalist dream.
>>74272011
If you can pay $5 for some chicken, you also have the 50 cent extra to spend.
>>74272022
Noam Chomsky had some good things to say about this. It's because of globalism. The unskilled or low-skill labor has been made worthless because the pool to draw from is the entire world. Highly skilled people are secure (for now) while laborers are affected by populations they have no influence over outside of their own (now pretty much arbitrary) borders.
>>74271490
Nobody is fucking tricked into buying fast food you cuck, people know it is shit and buy it anyway. You honestly should be shot you anti freedom commie.
>>74271273
Anyone who eats at McDonalds deserve all the shit that they get. When some soccermom cunt complains that her fries have salt on them you can fucking bet someone spat in her free refill of coke before giving it to her.
Treat the employees like shit the employees treat you like shit.
The only difference is that I got your money for doing so :^)
>>74270469
>They could have upped the price on literally any other menu item without raising a stir, but instead they up the price on the one item whose official name and nationwide advertising is that it costs $5.
How do you know the prices of other items on the menu were not similarly raised by 10%? I would bet they were.
>>74272103
It's a 10% increase.
I was at Del Taco weeks ago, they had their $0.99 half pound bean and cheese burrito for $1.29. No thanks
>>74272249
Not unless you literally have $5
>>74258707
Paying a tip for product and service you already paid for earlier is pretty pathetic and dumb. But yeah, americans aren't not very smart so they are easily exploited by such schemes.
>>74271620
>we should reduce people's choices instead of induce people into caring about their own health
>people are too foolish to make their own choices but I'm not
>>74272213
>When was the last time you went to KFC or any fast food?
I'm not the affected demographic. I make 13.50 an hour and go to school, so I don't go out to eat a lot. But if you make 50k-70k per year, and you're the regular consumer of Starbucks and fast food, there's literally no reason a 50 cent price increase (which others have said is exaggerated) should even affect you. They're not basic goods like soap or toilet paper.
>>74271851
waaaa rich people have mooore, WAAAA IT'S NOOOT FAAAIIR
flipping burgers is not as important as captaining and navigating the ship
in fact, flipping burgers, or frying chicken is so easy that even niggers find it hard to fuck up
>>74258707
The part you're missing is people VOTING for an increase, as opposed to the price of services/goods increasing at market rates.
>>74272262
Somewhat. In first world countries, the pool grows because the people whom are willing to take low wage jobs are becoming a majority of immigrants, keeping wages low, and, in theory, also lowering the price of goods.
There is also the overarching issue of corporate welfare, i.e. companies simply don't have to pay their employees because Uncle Sam picks up the tab in a myriad of ways.
>>74272277
oh god, you're dumb
people are suggistible. we just are. our brains don't work as well as we'd like to think, and we have too much confidence in them despite having so little access to the things that actually drive us.
That is why advertising works (and works significantly better than simply putting out a quality product).
All of your assumptions about "voting with your dollar" and "rational self interest" rest on a conception of humanity that only the most callow idiots on earth (you and your ilk) still believe in.
>>74272299
Still only 45 cents m8. Only people who really care about this would be niggers who would be upset at buying chicken at any price
>>74272278
>Treat the employees like shit the employees treat you like shit.
If you offer a 'no salt' option and I still have salt, you treated your customer like shit, not the other way round.
>>74272351
Then you might not go and spend it all on chicken sandwiches from the most expensive place around.
>>74272213
Congrats for not being a nigger, you probably also don't own $150 sneakers and an extensive collection of gold plated jewelry and stolen bikes.
You're not wrong, OP.
But here's the real fallout I see from the $15/hr minimum wage as regards fast-food employees.
At $15/hr, suddenly "fast food worker" is a decent job. Traditionally, fast food work has been a shitty job for shitty pay. That's why most fast food restaurants are overstaffed - their workers are only going to work so hard.
With the new living wage, people will be competing for those jobs. They'll need fewer people, because the people they have will actually be doing their job.
Next time you go to a fast food joint during the lunch "rush." look around at the workers. Half of them are standing around doing nothing, and most of the other half are just slow-walking through their tasks, not really giving a shit if they lose their job or not. It's usually just 2 or 3 people really making things happen - things like the food getting to the customers.
With the $15/hr wage, this shouldn't be a problem anymore. Managers should be able to clean house and demand a solid day of work from their employees.
I think that's the aspect of this thing that's being overlooked.
pic unrelated
>>74258707
>not being able to operate in the red
>"demonizing the poor"
Pick one you fucking retard.
>>74260956
There's a robot being sold or prepped for market now that can produce 30,000 burgers a day, and it's a LOT cheaper than payroll for a dozen 15/hour employees.
>>74258707
There's very few reasons on a price increase that people openly advocate and vote for.
Minimum wage is one of them.
>>74272375
We don't actually pay for the service.
>>74272511
We didn't offer a no salt option, it is not anywhere on the menu nor do we ever tell customers they can have it. The only reason we do is because its not worth listening to some bitch whine for 20 minutes about how she's being wronged and that her human rights are being violated in the middle of a lunch rush.
Besides, I left that job years ago. And from what I heard the store I worked in shut down after failing several FSA health checks.
We also used to use the chicken vats to fry the fish / veggie patties for the muslims as it was top bants.
>>74266653
Galo-Sengen
>>74260616
Higher minimum wage fucks new competition, they can't afford the accountants to find all the loopholes to keep the taxes low and they can't afford to hire some teenagers to do the work, even though the teenagers would gladly work for 7 dollars per hour. Atleast some would. A new business always takes years to get to a break-even-point and established companies obvioulsy want to kill them when their weak. More and more businesses fail in the U.S. percentage wise.
Walmart is lobbying for a higher minimum wage to keep competition out.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/02/21/wal-mart-says-its-neutral-on-a-minimum-wage-hike-lobbying-disclosures-suggest-otherwise/
>>74272151
Its not a property tax
The value of land (and many other macro-economic quantities) can be expressed in two ways. Land value is directly related to the value it can provide over a certain period of time, also known as ground rent. The capitalization of this ground-rent by the land market is what creates land prices, the other measure of land value. When ground-rent is redirected to the public, through LVT for example, the price of land will decrease, holding all else constant. The rent charged for land also decreases as a result of efficiency gains from the ad valorem aspect of LVT.
Land that is not desirable enough for use at a given time is called marginal land. Land value tax causes the quality of marginal land would improve while also decreasing in rent, as explained by Ricardo in 1816.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_value_tax
>>74272482
So suggest to people to not eat that shit if they're so suggestable, what's the problem.
>>74265475
implying they teach economics anywhere anymore. teachers are as ignorant as their students when it comes to that
>>74272611
Same question as this: >>74271047
>>74272286
Uh because that would be massive overkill above the minimum wage increase (KFC gets huge volume) and as such a shitty business decision as prices would have already been determined by revenue independent of cost.
>>74258707
>angry KFC is charging more for chicken
I wonder who is behind this post
>>74272926
The problem is that I don't have the billions of dollars that KFC does.
But I do suggest that. Indeed, I am suggesting that now, but your fucking infallible corporate mommy already told you I'm an evil commie, so you won't listen to me, despite the fact that I can guarantee you that, unless you're a KFC executive, I have your better interests and they do not.
Still, I am the one you will detest, while they actively kill you and the rest of the country, while externalizing their costs (health care costs, their food subsidies) to you and me and everyone else they don't give a fuck about.
>>74272398
>Michelle Obama cuts school lunches to 800kcal (a reasonable lunch)
>nationwide revolution
>Bloomberg limits soda sizes in NYC
>literal street protests over it
Say again, anon? How do we influence people's choices when half the country flips their shit when we try?
>>74270650
A annual living wage for all citizens.
>>74273231
>A annual living wage for all citizens.
Who is going to pay for that?
>>74273231
Oh fuck, baka comrade senpai, now you've done it.
>>74273111
Retard, i don't fucking eat that fucking food i have a paleo diet. Doesn't mean i support shutting down services. Healthy food is cheap and any retard who wants it can get it. Your problem is that people don't make choices you like. You hate people having freedom because you have some sort of power fantasy of everyone doing what you think is best.
The sooner robots are implemented the better
Quality would shoot through the roof and I might actually eat fast food again
>>74273180
By offering a healthier product at a cheaper price, how about that fuck face.
The solution to this issue is simple: eliminate all wage laws and eliminate the welfare state entirely.
That will give people incentive to work and will give employers incentive to offer competitive wages.
>>74272434
Stop this. /pol/ doesn't act like this. I was told so.
>>74272511
It's pretty impressive what deals you can get at Walmart
Saw about a dozen of their baked pizzas half off for $2.50.
They have tons of bread, cakes, donuts, and meat discounted as well, if you look.
>>74273422
I hope you enjoy that company store
>>74273370
Well I do. Because to me, the market is a means and not an end. The end is a functional society, and to the extent that the market is antithetical to that, I am against it.
My problem is that you think "choice" is some magic, separate from all influences. It isn't. When we give them the sort of access that they have to our brains, the notion of "choice" becomes less meaningful.
I think you need to let go of this sacrosanct idea of human autonomy. We are dumb. We are suggestible. Deal with that reality, and then act right with that in mind.
>>74260206
Lol this.
Short list of jobs that robots will do in ten years:
>HR
>Fast food jobs. All of them except upper management. Expect 1 dude at a Wendy's in 10 years.
>Truck driving.
>Cab driving.
>Plane flying.
>Waiting at restaurants.
>Car repair.
>Any job with a consistent routine.
>>74273520
Walmart has done more to help poor people than the government ever has.
>>74258707
you have to be seriously brain damaged to consider eating that greasy nigger food
>>74272083
And that's precisely the inherent flaw in capitalism. If you have ANY private businesses, eventually you ALWAYS have nothing but monopolies who own the government. The only difference in societies is how long this transition takes. And since wealth builds wealth, it typically only takes decades for capitalism to get totally out of control.
>>74258707
HAHa, minimum wage raisers BTFO
That's what you get for going to fast food places you dumb cucks
>>74272599
kill yourself, tripfag.
>$7.50 >>> $10.00
>operating in the red
meanwhile
>multi-million bonuses
>poor business decisions
>temporary foreign workers(11b visas?)
>>74273608
The inherent flaw in socialism is a complete inability to function at even a basic level, resulting in mass starvation.
>>74272543
But this stuff about service jobs being temporary is pure fantasy. My mom is from a small town in eastern Indiana where the grocery store was owned by a local everybody knew. And he didn't hire undocumented Mexicans to mop the floors in the middle of the night, and he didn't hire a dozen single mothers or teenagers to work 10 hours per week for $3 an hour. He owned the shop, and working the cash register was his and his family's full time jobs.
It wasn't until there was a Starbucks or Popeyes Chicken on every corner doing the same cost-cutting slave labor bullshit that a sizeable chunk of the population accepted this as normal.
At the end of the day, if there were actually a strong demand for anything more than these service workers, there would be paths open for them with plenty of incentive to leave their service jobs. But instead we see service growing out of control with no extra demand for anybody to go to college or get involved in highly skilled labor. The only real growth we're seeing is in transportation, and automaton is going to put every one of those people out of jobs within the next 10 years.
I think we should just accept that service can be a career. And maybe it needs to be if we want anything close to a decent egalitarian society and not a mirror of Liberia.
>>74272543
But at some point there really is only so much you can do.
I remember working at Target. Some inspection was going on with the higher ups. The cashiers just got done organizing the front ends then were waiting for customers right when the higher ups came by. Of course they got complaints for just standing around.
>>74273553
You are dumb, I do my research and weigh costs and benefits of everything i do. Sometimes I choose convenience over quality, other times I don't. I grew up in the USSR and I don't fucking appreciate commie logic like yours being used to subvert a perfectly functional system for the benefit of retards. Go live in Cuba if that's what you like.
>implying it's impossible to use capitalism to market healthy life styles and diets
No wonder you don't have millions.
>>74261602
B-But profit is ebul and greedy
>>74272512
I mean I haven't eaten fast food in a month. I haven't gone to KFC in years. Popeyes in a few months.
>>74273737
>, and automaton is going to put every one of those people out of jobs within the next 10 years.
Not if the government decides to force one driver per automatic car for security reasons, which they will do in order to not kill off the largest industry in the States.
>>74261602
>I'm not an economist
We can tell
>>74258707
>>74271047
>>74272950
Don't expect to be paid more than the job is worth.
Compete.
Innovate.
A dumbshit flipping burgers is not really worth more than $5/hour in real money. Why? Because dumbshits who can flip burgers are readily available, require no advanced training, and provide relatively little value (profit margins on most restaurants are pretty thin as it is).
So what do you have that a machine doesn't? A brain, in theory. If you don't have a brain, why do you think you deserve to be given preferential treatment over a machine that will never need piss breaks, never call in sick, never skip work, never leave for a better job, and never steal money or food?
Several things to consider:
1. Minimum wages were instituted at the behest of white unions to prevent competition from black workers who were winning bidding wars by working cheaper. (The last time black unemployment was lower than white was right before min wage went into effect.)
2. Artificially inflating wages simply creates greater incentive to replace workers.
3. Artificially inflating wages simply creates incentive to hire illegals under the table, bypassing wage laws entirely (and robbing the government of taxes that would be paid on those wages).
4. Artificially inflating wages destroys and damages small businesses MUCH MORE than mega-corps. A mega-corp can front the $50k/unit to add automation when wages get too high and recoup it over time; a small company simply goes out of business.
5. By fixing wages, you are robbing individuals of the right to choose what their labour is worth.
6. By fixing wages, you are suggesting that jobs which should not be relied upon as a means of livelihood should be used to earn a living wage.
7. By fixing wages, you're undermining the youth. When you HAVE to pay $15/hour, you'll want mature, reliable, experienced employees. Teenagers already have enough trouble getting summer jobs to pay cell phone bills, gas, etc. This makes it worse.
>>74273700
To be fair, a lot of it comes down to the shareholders, they're the ones who want the company to make money which makes them money.
Hostile takeovers and outing of higher ups does happen. Though it doesn't make sense when they allow "golden parachutes"
>>74273852
While that's wonderful for you, it has literally nothing to do with anyone else. And since you are not the entirety of society, it's totally irrelevant.
There is no commie logic. There is only the truth - people are dumb. They ARE going to be controlled. What matter is who controls them. Should it be corporations with their endemic sociopathy, or people who care and have a stake in society beyond simply making as much money as they can?
>>74273700
t. person-who-has-never-managed-a-food-joint-in-their-entire-life
http://public.econ.duke.edu/~psarcidi/nechyba/Chapter%2014.pdf
The vast majority of restaurants operate very close to equilibrium.
>>74273704
You fucking wat?
https://youtu.be/NKkRDMil0bw
>>74270071
But in how long anon.
I managed a pizza place now I'm a loan officer and only making 17 and hour 568 a week. When's my payday coming.
>>74258707
Why can't people understand that corporate positions are a drop in the bucket of total company expense??
People are paid for what they provide. CEO is not an easy job.
>>74274212
>inb4 NAZIS WERE LAISSEZ-FAIRE CAPITALIST JEWISH THEOCRATS (also actually just Americans in the wrong country)
>>74274064
So what exactly stops you from controlling society to eat healthy the same way it's been controlled not to? If people are so dumb you can manipulate then into doing what you want, without needing to ban anything.
>>74274329
Yeah, I'm sure it has gotten over 10x harder to be a CEO since 1960 as well.
>>74274790
What stops me is a lack of wealth and power.
Wealth and power are acquired most readily through exploitation.
Do you see why that will be problematic?
>>74274864
Yeah dude providing goods and services people want is so exploitative. Thought you said you weren't a commie.
>>74274928
I never said I wasn't a commie. I'm not really sure what you're on about.
But sarcasm isn't a response. It's a substitute for the lack of one.
>>74274981
How is it exploitative to provide goods and services in exchange for wealth, saving it up and then using it to invest in the provision of more goods and services? If I grow a plant and sell it, profit from it, who the hell is exploited?
