Why did they call it "national" socialism"
Was it even real socialism?
Where do I look to find objective material on the subject?
This isn't hard.
Did he seize the means of production under state control?
Yes, he was a socialist.
>>74254164
>Did he seize the means of production under state control?
Examples and sources please.
I'm trying to be a good schoolboy here.
>>74254164
>Did he seize the means of production under state control?
>>74254164
>Did he seize the means of production under state control?
not really, he paid for BMWs like we paid GM to make weapons
basically they were just making shit up as they went along though
they even bought their uniforms from hugo boss
it was not like russia where the state owned all the factories
https://www.reddit.com/r/communism101/comments/1qf5po/why_did_the_nazis_call_themselves_socialists/
>>74254824
Is that a bunch of leftists explaining national socialism? Do you think many of them read Mein Kampf? I'm guessing not, which makes me wonder, would I trust a rightist to teach me about Marxism, if he's never read Marx?
>>74255054
dude that book is horrible and will teach you nothing but that the man was literally a raving loon
also there was a Gobbles full paragraph quote telling you what you want to know which is the reason i linked it
From Why Are We Socialist? by Joseph Goebbels
Socialism [as the union of all citizens, not as an economic system] is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book.
>>74255576
That book is a significant piece of historical literature, and the only actual primary source of national socialist thought. How could you argue that Das Kapital is worth reading, but not Mein Kampf? I'm reading it now, and he's far from a "raving loon". He's actually quite lucid, especially for having sat down in a prison cell and just start writing.
>>74255979
>That book is a significant piece of historical literature, and the only actual primary source of national socialist thought.
not really it's more like "i should be dictator for life and i hate jews so much"
he basically just did shit as a tyrant than followed a philosophy of doing anything but making war
and it's poorly written, as in i question his intelligence it reads like an angry 17 year old wrote it
>>74256163
more than
>>74256163
So, you haven't read it, you're scared of reading it because you might get "thought cooties", and you have a comic book b-movie charicature of the book's message?
>like an angry 17 year old wrote it
You sound like a 17 year old book critic.
Have you read anything by Marx?
Anything by anyone you didn't like, or who was considered " a bad man"?
he invaded Russia just before winter and got half the women in Germany raped
basically the highest achievement in stupidity since Napoleon tried it
>>74256324
>So, you haven't read it, you're scared of reading it because you might get "thought cooties", and you have a comic book b-movie charicature of the book's message?
i've read it
wow goys its caled demoratic socialism
Do your homework wow
So ignorat
Wew
You guise wud totally love big govt if you weeent so dum
>>74256337
Gee, haven't heard that in every thread that even obliquely mentions the man. Original thoughts ever? Serious thoughts ever? Too scared of history to have mature thoughts, ever?
>>74256373
>i've read it
Clearly not if your takeaway was "i should be dictator for life and i hate jews so much" -- literally the "I've been on /pol/ and that's what I heard from edgy anons".
>>74256324
no it's not because he was a "bad man" that i think the book is shit and really goes on about the jews to the point of it being tiresome
if you like it that's fine, but i think it's the ravings of an insane person who could have taken europe proper forever but chose poorly
like comically poorly
>>74256480
you like it and don't care he destroyed germany, good for you
>>74256539
I don't like or dislike it. I'm treating it as an artifact of history. You're the one talking about feels, gasping when I mention reading it, like i'll catch a disease, then telling me you've read it, but can't discuss it outside of some pleb tier memes.
>>74256609
Just being a faggot and backpeddaling when you get called on it.
>>74256694
the bible is an artifact of history too, but man there is a lot of bullshit in it
>>74256788
And yet, without being well versed in it, you can't appreciate the majority of English literature. You're missing out if this is how you approach knowledge.
>>74256788
Say goodbye to Shakespeare, Dante's Inferno, Shopenhauer, Nietzsche, most works of Rennaissance Art or literaure... none of it makes sense. You didn't bother with the bible. Well done.
>>74256893
i agree with that statement
i am not missing out, i just didn't like hitler's book, sorry
you are right he wrote it quickly in jail while marx and others took years to write their books
i don't see kampf up there in the super important works of western civ from a "there is good info in here" point of view
>>74257027
as you will just see i attempted to agree with your thoughts on the bible
I doubt hitler's book will inspire the next Nietzsche though
>>74253918
>that Hitler quote
Can we get Bernouts to use this unironically?
>>74257169
>i just didn't like hitler's book
This entire conversation started because you thought I shouldn't read it. >>74255576
>dude that book is horrible and will teach you nothing but that the man was literally a raving loon
whatever
>>74257283
already have on twatter for the past few months.
I also make a lot of fake occupy dems macros.
they repost them without thinking
>>74257283
CruzzMissiles are easy prey too
>>74257297
read it if you want that was just my opinion of it
you can only read so many books in life and i don't think it's up there with Shakespeare, Dante's Inferno, Shopenhauer, Nietzsche, most works of Rennaissance Art or literaure..
>>74257467
let's move on
>>74253918
Protip: it's not "helping" if you're being forced to do it.
>tfw hitler didn't make any quotes about building walls in mexico or deporting the illegals i could put in trumps mouth
>>74257623
All he talked about was deporting illegals.
Didn't you read Mein kampf?
;^)
>The Haavara agreement - Germany created Israel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE2hsaHAEX0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIYswWXhkcA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-1ts3VTeeI
>>74257736
meant as a joke anon
There are tons of Gobbles quotes that would just sound like something any politician would say in a speech
everyone thinks they were monsters but they won the hearts and minds of their people giving speeches you could use anywhere they didn't just go around punching babies all day when trying to get into power
>>74257972
Got links to reading? THat's primarily what I'm interested in. I've seen anons dump tons of original materials, just didn't snag them the first time through. Now that I'm reading Mein Kampf, I want to explore the rest of the rabbit hole.
>>74258264
there are gobbles speeches on youtube with English subs....or there used to be
he was a fucking good speaker
>>74258264
read the rise and fall of the third Reich, it's a 2 volume book, it's REALLY good
>>74258451
ok thanks, i'll try to track it down. some anon had a 3rd reich sourcebook, just cant remember the author.
>>74253918
You can't have an "objective" take on an -ism, because it's just an abstract concept formed by a cluster of ideas who are in turn the subject of individual opinion. What it means differs depending on who or what you consult and when. There is no "real national socialism" or "real communism" or "real anarcho-capitalism", and so on. At most different interpretations of one concept have common properties.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preussentum_und_Sozialismus
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Sombart
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Plenge
There are many forms of socialism and Marxism only became the default with the USSR's influence.
>>74258825
>You can't have an "objective" take on an -ism
Descriptive studies of -isms are commonly what historians attempt to do. Normativity is the realm of philosophers and other ideologues. If we think objectivity doesn't exist at all, then we live in Orwell's nightmare.
>>74258847
thanks
>>74258451
Oh hey, another book I found recently. You would appreciate it if you have an interest in politics and history. Very enlightening.
http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/s7870.html
>>74256163
>trust my critique
>I don't care enough about my words to type them properly, but trust my critique
