whoa... makes u think....
>>74202923
He want to send you to college so they can lie to you about the holocaust - trust me, I'm Danish.
>>74202923
democratic socialism is working out really well for Venezuela.
>>74202923
What he wants means jack shit since he has no chance of winning.
>>74204502
And the EU........................................................................................................................................................................... Not.
Wow.... I'm part of the #BernWard now......
>>74204622
DANES WORLD
DANES WORLD
PARTY TIME
EXCELLENT
>>74202923
Yes. Yes it does.
The difference is they call it Democratic socialism
>>74204864
Hah! I like that. That's nice.
>>74202923
> He wants to send you to a fed funded school to teach you the difference of that fed funded school if it was fed funded under communism.
A commie is a commie no matter what. He just wants to raise taxes.
I really regret supporting Bernie perviously. It seemed like a good idea at the time. Thanks to him I met a lot of cucks and I learned why he was wrong though. Bernie supporters are godless and the only ones who will vote are retarded and only want free shit it seems.
>>74202923
Like college teaches you that, lol.
>>74202923
>attempting to avoid the history of socialist failure by calling yourself Democratic Socialist
>>74202923
Pretty sure you don't need a 4 year college education to figure out the difference between socialism and communism.People that like Occupy Democrats have autism
>>74202923
Socialism = HIV
Communism = AIDS
Now you know.
>>74202923
It makes me thin he doesn't know what the word free is
>>74202923
It's just like HIV and AIDS.
>>74205118
Socialism has worked in the past.
Read a book. I'd suggest starting with a history of Spain before Franco took power.
>>74204502
When a socialist country fails. You blame socialism.
When a capitalist country fails. You blame other circumstances.
Americans are just brainwashed to hate socialism and worship capitalism and consumerism.
The whole Bernie circle jerk within his following is absolutely hilarious. They are literally going to protest vote Trump in.
>>74205391
Fuck off you retarded fucking cuck.
>>74205391
>When a capitalist country fails. You blame other circumstances.
All zero times that's happened.
Socialism and communism aren't the same thing in the same sense that burglary and robbery aren't the same thing.
>>74202923
Lenin himself said socialism is the stepping stone to communism. You had all power to the state, run out of money, boom - communism.
can't believe I took this bait
>>74202923
you gotta learn he's retarded, but sure.
I still dont get it, what bad it is in free college education?
>>74205391
>Socialism has worked in the past.
Socialism has a 200 million deathcount, and that is not inflated like the Shoah.
>>74205491
Strong arguments bro.
Isn't it bedtime for you? You don't want to be tired for school tomorrow. Try and pay attention this semseter you might actually learn something.
>>74205529
Yeah capitalist countries have never failed. All capitalist countries are utopias where there's no war, famine, poverty or disease.
Fucking leafs I swear...
The problem with the left is they confuse the terms 'education' with 'political re-education.'
>>74205674
200 million deathcount
Prove to me that those people died as a direct result of socialism.
Even if they did, capitalism's death count is much MUCH higher.
>>74205109
>now I'm a Cruzmissile
>>74205805
The only reason you're alive now is because of market economics.
Is the difference in the number of letters it takes to say "horrible way to run a country?"
>>74205681
Apple!
>>74205951
No market = no food
>>74205951
[citation needed]
Still waiting for proof that 200 million people died as a result of socialism.
It's okay, I'll wait.
>>74205786
agree, but then the problem with the right is that confuses "education" with "everything i don't like does not deserve to be taught and we will ignore it"
>>74202923
Wow....................... really........................makes............. me think
>>74205736
>implying any country is free from famine, illness, poverty, violence, etc.
>>74202923
"Communism is Judaism. The Jewish Revolution in Russia was in 1917." ~ H.H. BEAMISH, N.Y. speech, 1937
"Communism and Judaism are one and the same." ~ HILARY COTTER, author of Cardinal Minszenty, The Truth About His Real "Crime," page 6
“The Jew is an inborn communist!” - Otto Weininger, a Jew, Sex & Character, pp 311
“Zionism is Judaism, and Judaism is unthinkable without Zionism.” (Harper’s Encyclopedia of United States History, Vol. X, “Zionists”).
“Some call it Marxism (Communism), I call it Judaism.” – Rabbi Stephen Samuel Wise - The American Bulletin, May 5, 1935. (Judaism is nothing but disguised, camouflaged Communism, therefore, Zionism is nothing but Communism)
“Bolshevism and Communism, were Jewish proposed, Jewish financed, Jewish led and Jewish operated. The most muderous regime this planet has ever known, was Jewish through & through.” ~ ("The Secret Force" by Maurice Pinay)
“What is the basis of Judaism? A practical passion and greed for profit. To what can we reduce his (the Jew’s) religious worship? To extortion. What is his real God? Cash!” - Karl Marx (Jew), founder of Communism, quoted in the British Guardian, July-August, 1924
>>74206105
Exactly. It happens in every country.
The problem is that when it happens in a socialist country people automatically blame socialism without looking at the other factors that might have been responsible.
>>74205805
>capitalism's death count is much MUCH higher.
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
>>74202923
Maybe he should learn to attack the other people in your party so you can get the nomination before you attack "da racist".
>>74206053
Hitler was a socialist and if we're blaming WW2 on Axis powers still, there's 60 million.
Add that to China and Russia's death count and you're already over 200 million. Then put in the rest of the world and the number is higher still.
>inb4 socialism isn't communism meme
>>74205674
>>74206309
The Secret Holocaust - The real holocaust was a Christian Holocaust by Jews of sixty-six million, mostly Christians.
http://www.rense.com/general86/realholo.htm
Ilya Ehrenberg - The Man Who Invented The 'Six Million'
http://rense.com/general75/ehr.htm
>>74206166
>The jews are money grubbing capitalists who own all the corporations and enslave us!
>The jews are communists!
Which one is it /pol/? Make up your mind.
>>74206419
>facts are memes
Those 60 million died as a result of ARMED CONFLICT not because of Hitler's economic policies.
The German people lived very well under Hitler.
>Bernie wants to use your taxes to pay for the POLITICAL SCIENCE majors of other people
>>74206239
Are you honestly getting upset because socialists promise to be able to fix things they can't, while capitalists acknowledge things are not fair? And then when capitalists rightfully realize what's going on, they have their reservations about socialism?
You're not making a coherent argh.ent here. You're just punting the argument down the road.
Which I guess isn't surprising considering you're sucking socialist dick.
>>74205391
Where had capitalism failed?
>>74204502
>Venezuela
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/15/americas/venezuela-slide-into-crisis/index.html
>>74206501
They run Democracy as well. Who were the allies during WWII that got rid of Hitler? Why does America install "Democracy" all over the planet ever since?
>>74206501
>He doesn't know the difference between the zionist jews and the international jew
>>74202923
I THINK you're the same motherfucker spamming the other fake Bernie meme
>>74206501
The problem Jews have with Capitalism is that any daring, intelligent, entrepreneur can rise along with them, but if the Jew has control over the means of production, they can arrest the destiny of any gentile.
>>74206763
No I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of socialist critics. They blame socialism for every ill in the world and refuse to acknowledge the times when it has succeeded.
You'll never learn about socialist Spain in American schools.
>>74206922
They're all the same. Jews have been the worlds problem for 2,000 years.
Why Are Jews Always Persecuted?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVXYjQp1ufg
Socialism or any retarded cousin of Socialism doesn't work. I can't wait for all these green haired, self-identifying, vegan, edgelords to flee to some shit hole because "m-muh feelings".
>>74206978
The only way that jews can control the means of production is under capitalism.
Incidentaly, this is exactly what has occurred in most of the western world.
Yet, for some reason, supposed "white nationalists" support capitalism. It's really a farce.
>>74202923
Well you certainly won't learn to actually DO anything...
>>74207181
It doesn't work because the wealthy elites don't want it to work.
They want to maintain their chokehold on this planet's resources.
>>74207181
If a suffucuently bad presidential candidate won I'd move to Sri Lanka, not Europe
Going to Europe is like moving from a garbage fire to a house full of TNT and with a bad gas leak
>>74205391
>When a capitalist country fails.
when did this happen?
>>74207033
sounds to me that you are desperate to attack your custom made strawmen only you are currently are getting btfo by opinions that differ from your delusional idea of others view point..
>>74205736
>All capitalist countries are utopias where there's no war, famine, poverty or disease.
>>74205391
>History of Spain before Franco
You know civil war came because of the mess caused by the socialism in my country isn't it?
>>74207603
http://list25.com/25-of-the-most-failed-states-in-the-world/
Most of these countries are capitalist.
Notice how when a capitalist country fails, nobody blames capitalism. They blame "poor leadership" or something like that.
>>74207654
>>74207754
There's really little point in having a discussion about socialism with Americans.
You've been indoctrinated since birth with cold war propaganda to believe that socialism is evil and that capitalism is great. It's sad really.
>>74207843
Are you honestly suggesting that the civil war was caused by socialism?
>>74208075
>You've been indoctrinated since birth with cold war propaganda to believe that socialism is evil and that capitalism is great. It's sad really.
I'f if all you are going to is desperately spew strawman varietals. Why would anyone bother with you, undereducated britbong.
>>74208075
It is easier to fail in a socialist country, but it doesn't make socialist a fail system itself, just harder to sucess.
I agree, people are adoctrinated to refuse socialism
>>74205391
>worship capitalism
fuck you are retarded.
Capitalism is not an ideology.
>>74208466
How is that a strawman?
>>74208075
>Most of these countries are capitalist.
Not only is that completely untrue, almost every single one was in Africa. Are you even trying?
>>74205736
>Yeah capitalist countries have never failed. All capitalist countries are utopias where there's no war, famine, poverty or disease.
>Fucking leafs I swear...
well you could have named one...
but we all know socialists are rich, inexperienced, uneducated faggots who want to get back at their rich daddies.
>>74208575
>all americans are -insertmeme-
it must be difficult being this deluded
>>74208298
Socialism supported by idiots leads to the chaos, and the goes to war
Socilism only works if the people who support it are educated enough to discipline their leaders
>>74208514
>adoctrinated to refuse socialism
Quite the opposite. EU is basically full socialist, US has someone running for president on a socialist platform.
Most people are indoctrinated to hate their host country and blame whites for a the ills of the world, despite how removed from reality that is. Just how socialism is removed from reality.
>>74208698
>Not only is that completely untrue
Name the socialist countries on that list.
By the way, I mean actual socialist countries, not just countries that have universal health care (i.e. every single country except the US)
>>74208710
I did.
Nice assumptions btw.
>>74208759
That's not a strawman.
>>74208999
I agree. Socialism requires people to be well educated. Educated enough to take part in civic matters in any case.
>>74209003
Lol this is exactly what I mean about American education and their complete misunderstanding of socialism.
Not a single European country is socialist. Go ahead name one that is.
Every single European country is state capitalist. Have universal healthcare and education != socialism.
>>74202923
Yeah, I think you're a faget.
>>74209005
>By the way, I mean actual socialist countries
Holy fuck. /pol/ was right again!
>>74202923
wants you to go to "free" college to learn the difference between gender and sex
>>74209005
>feel free to name all the country's with socialist policies
>but they aren't really socialist because that hurts my fee fees
so you haven't passed a basic college course enough to understand logical fallacies, and are now so childish that you can't deal with your source not supporting you without massive fucking blinders on. This is getting pathetic
>>74208075
>You've been indoctrinated since birth with cold war propaganda to believe that socialism is evil and that capitalism is great. It's sad really.
My college teacher was an open communist and most of the teacher's at my nephew's school talk about socialism and communism in a positive light whenever economics is brought up.
>>74209359
Another ridiculous strawman argument.
That majority of people would never vote to legalise rape.
So many retards getting social democracy and and democratic socialism confused. Much of the eu is socially democratic, not democratic socialist. Democratic socialists still advocate for seizing of the means of production by the workers and the eradication of capitalism, whereas social democrats try to save capitalism from itself and just "regulate" it rather than actually dealing with the problem at it's source
>>74209353
>government run healthcare and education
>not socialism
Pick one
>>74209499
>That majority of people would never vote to legalise rape.
Yes but the majority of people have repeatedly voted to live off the backs of the working minority.
http://www.iea.org.uk/publications/research/scandinavian-unexceptionalism-culture-markets-and-the-failure-of-third-way-soc
>>74209436
You clearly don't know the definition of socialism.
Go read a book that isn't written by Ayn Rand.
>>74209462
That's rare.
Every single American I've met has a kneejerk aversion to socialism. Most of them don't even know what it means (see above).
With Europeans you can at least have a civilised discussion about it whether or not they agree.
With Americans its just "hurrrr durrr Stalin and Mao muh 2000000 bajilion people murder by socialism"
>>74209722
>Go read a book that isn't written by Ayn Rand.
nice meme glad you got the chance to steal that from south park by the time you turned 12
>You clearly don't know the definition of socialism.
define socialism in one line then apply it to policies you say aren't socialist. this might take some critical thinking, but don't worry it's good for you.
>>74209623
That's not socialism.
Do you think the US is socialist because you have govt run military, police force and fire dept?
Please look up the definition of socialism and educate yourself. It pains me to see such ignorance in this day and age.
>>74209693
>working minority.
Last time I checked, the vast majority of people are working or studying. Unemployment is less than 10% in most developed countries.
Oh and posting meme macro images doesn't reinforce your arguments btw...
>>74209722
You're literally a /pol/ meme.
>my special snowflake socialism hasn't been tried
>>74202923
>>74209942
Socialism is the public ownership of the means of production.
Education and healthcare aren't means of production.
It's really quite simple.
>>74210070
I never said it hadn't been tried.
It has, however, rarely been properly implemented.
>>74210100
Good thing we don't have socialism because the government is already doing fucking awful managing education and healthcare.
>>74205391
>when a capitalist country fails
??
>>74210100
health care and education are not methods of production? This isn't the industrial revolution m8.
>>74202923
Democratic socialism is for when you think you might have a chance at winning an election.
Revolutionary socialism (communism) is for all the other times.
>>74204576
Only because democracy is dead. If it was a legit race and everybody actually followed the rules he win.
Also it's called allocating Taxes. Not free
>>74209949
>Last time I checked, the vast majority of people are working or studying
Nearly half of this nation doesn't put into the system and the number is only growing.
> Oh and posting meme macro images doesn't reinforce your arguments btw...
Neither does ignoring citations like you're doing
>>74210203
Vote for a different govt then.
Do you really think private corporations that are driven purely by profit will run services in the best interest of the public?
Just look at the trains in England since we privatised them.
>>74210243
Explain to me how a school or a hospital is a production facility.
>>74209949
>military, police force and fire dept
These things protect the nation, rights, and market in the interest of the citizens. Fire departments however I'd argue operate just fine privately.
>>74210100
Education and healthcare provide products and services. You know, things that need to be produced.
woah.................................................... makes u sage and report....................................................................................................................................................................................
>>74202923
Even if you offer it for free, niggers will never learn. Give it up, bernman.
>>74205736
Socialism is an improvement over feudalism and anarchy. It isn't exactly a high bar.
>>74210360
What citations am I ignoring?
Are you seriously suggesting that almost 50% of Americans don't pay taxes?
Even the Americans that live in London have to pay taxes back home!
>>74202923
It really does
>>74210406
>hospitals and schools are the only parts of education.
you need facilities equipment medication tools hundreds of things make up the healthcare and education aspects of production. neck yourself
>>74202923
Top mandatory re-education camp kek.
>>74210406
>Explain to me how a school or a hospital is a production facility.
>>74202923
>>74202923
>free
>>74210226
DELETE THIS NOW
>>74208075
>Most of these countries are capitalist.
good try ahmed.
>>74210414
>Fire departments however I'd argue operate just fine privately.
Yeah you don't want to do that.
Trust me we tried that in London. During the great fire of 1666 we had private fire companies. It turns out they would only put out fires in buildings that were insured because it wouldn't have been "profitable" otherwise.
It was a total fucking disaster. You can read all about it.
>Education and healthcare provide products and services. You know, things that need to be produced.
So what goods are produced in schools and hospitals?
They're not means of production.
>free propaganda camps
At last I truly see
>>74210581
b-but leaf-hat. don't you know that ALL government spending is socialism? I learned that in my feminist economics class with my girlfriend and her son!
>>74204864
That's pretty good
>>74210539
Medical equipment and drugs aren't produced in hostpitals you simpleton.
>>74210674
Go ahead, name the socialist countries on that list then.
LOL Putting the word Democratic in-front of a word changes it somehow?
Let's start a movement for Democratic Rape and Democratic Murder!
>>74210726
>only put out fires in buildings that were insured because it wouldn't have been "profitable" otherwise.
Yes dumbass, it isn't profitable for Walmart to give you free items either.
>So what goods are produced in schools and hospitals?
Your understanding of economics is astonishingly low. Goods aren't the only thing produced by humans that provide value. The other half are called "services". Jesus fucking Christ!
>>74210522
>Are you seriously suggesting that almost 50% of Americans don't pay taxes?
Nearly half of Americans take out more than they put in and that number is only increasing
>>74210226
>Russia
>0.750-0.799
>After two world wars, civil war and three revolutions in a single century
I say we did pretty good desu
>>74202923
>hurrrr socialism is soooo different from communism
The only difference is that communist believe the people will revolt and force them to change to a socialist government while socialist are whiling to work in the system and change it over time. It doesn't matter how its introduced socialism never works
>>74210726
You might as well argue that gyms, arcades, and massage parlors don't produce anything you mong. Service is a product people buy. The service of education. The service of healthcare. These are things paid for with money.
>>74211029
Please read about the great fire of 1666. You will see why privitisation is often are terrible idea.
Incidentaly, it was after that that we decided that we need a public fire dept because private companies don't care about the welbeing of the community. They only care about making money.
>Your understanding of economics is astonishingly low. Goods aren't the only thing produced by humans that provide value. The other half are called "services". Jesus fucking Christ!
Only in America would a school or a hospital be considered a business...
>>74211134
Communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society.
Under socialism you can have a govt, social classes and currency.
Give me Hitler quotes to slap on images of Bernie.
>>74211330
>Only in America would a school or a hospital be considered a business...
Okay faggot, I want you to go around your city five days a week for eight hours a day and offer free foot massages.
Only in UK would massage be considered a business...
>>74211330
>Only in America would a school or a hospital be considered a business...
Why shouldn't they be? Are you advocating people should be dragged out of their homes and forced to perform their skilled jobs against their own free will? Why shouldn't someone be allowed to charge for a service when they are giving you something that you need or want in return? Get the fuck out commie. Keep your country ruining policies to your own island
>>74202923
Gud point bruv, I'm #ArtilleryForHillary now!
>>74211330
>Only in America would a school or a hospital be considered a business...
>A business is an organization or enterprising entity engaged in commercial, industrial or professional activities. A business can be a for-profit entity, such as a publicly-traded corporation, or a non-profit organization engaged in business activities, such as an agricultural cooperative.
Seriously either you are shitposting or the education in the U.K. is fucked.
>>74211330
>Incidentaly, it was after that that we decided that we need a public fire dept because private companies don't care about the welbeing of the community. They only care about making money.
Funny since more recent examples show that private police forces have done wonders in shitty places in Detroit that the police have stopped going into.
Private fire companies are also very effective in America where they exist.
It's almost like bringing up one example that is 400 years old isn't a valid argument
>>74211531
>implying any of that matters when the government is in charge of wealth distribution
A country with socialism or communism will ultimately look the same
>>74211638
>>74211672
Massages are a luxury.
Profit has no place in important matters like people's health or education.
>>74211676
So what happens if you can't afford to pay the school fees? Should your kids just grow up illiterate then?
Fucking Americans. You guys are a laugh!
>>74211768
>It's almost like bringing up one example that is 400 years old isn't a valid argument
kek
>>74202923
But he was a communist in everything but name before. He had his honeymoon in the USSR for christ's sake.
>>74211768
>be american
>"officer! officer! that man just robbed me!"
>"okay, sir we'll aprehend the criminal for $250 plus tip!"
>"b-but he stole my wallet..."
>"i'm afraid that's not our problem sir."
I can actually envision Americans having TV ads advertising the different fire and police companies.
>"is your house on fire? call 911 today and we'll put out the fire for a low low price!"
You guys crack me up.
>>74212027
So you are saying doctors and teachers should work for free, because as you said >Profit has no place in important matters like people's health or education
>So what happens if you can't afford to pay the school fees? Should your kids just grow up illiterate then?
Public school are a thing you know? The argument is college education being "free". Which is a problem for many reasons.
>america is capitalist
these bernouts are fucking dumb
>>74212027
>So what happens if you can't afford to pay the school fees?
You shouldn't have had kids, because you were too stupid to provide for them in the first place, cuck.
Health and education are important, but so is having a vehicle. Also people value different things differently.
Some people don't fucking care about education and don't want to pay for your gender studies degree.
Some people take better care of their health and don't want to pay for junkies.
>>74202923
I hate seeing this schlong swallowing kike pointing. I want him to burn in shit.
>>74212292
>>74202923
>tfw and actual Bernie supporter since Kasichs drop out.
>>74212383
>You shouldn't have had kids, because you were too stupid to provide for them in the first place, cuck.
Yes but people will have kids regardless. Just as they do today.
Unless you implement some sort of one child policy like China there's not really much you can do to prevent people from having kids.
>Some people don't fucking care about education
Clearly...
>>74212141
>He had his honeymoon in the USSR for christ's sake.
So did my parents, but they're not communists. They despise communists.
>>74212634
hey eurocuck >>74211754
>>74211986
>>74205391
Thank you based Brit, the only common sense in this thread.
>>74202923
>deliver the education on the hands of a socialist government
>expects to learn the truth
seems legit
>>74212292
>be american
>"officer! officer that man just robbed me!"
>"okay, sir we'll apprehend the criminal for $250 plus tip!"
>"actually, I'm here for the bounty since I shot him with my concealed handgun that I have a RIGHT to keep and bear (unlike unfree yuropoor shitholes like the caliphate of UK)."
>"excellent work, my fellow american!"
>clapping ensues
>>74208075
>>74210928
North Korea is not Capitalist.
Syria is a failed state due to geopolitical meddling, though you could blame this on Capitalism for that.
African countries defy conventional notions of government. This actually doesn't have much to do with leadership has it does the ongoing tribal and cultural conflicts these countries face within their own borders along with foreign aid destroying market systems and all trade being geared to plundering what resources can be gained. Most did espouse socialism before going down the rabbit hole though.
Pakistan might be the only legitimate case here of a Capitalist country being a complete fuck up, but its hardly the fault of the system when it serves as the only fucking example.
Iraq was socialist before being invaded by the US. Saddam was an avid socialist (member of Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party, come on).
Zimbabwe, do I even need to talk about the lack of property rights here or can I just skip this one? This is actually an interesting example because its such a terrible example of Capitalism fucking up, Capitalism was doing great for Zimbabwe before it became Zimbabwe.
Haiti got fucked by earthquakes and disease, they didn't really have a functioning state before, they still don't, its a clusterfuck.
Afghanistan: I accidentally my entire fucking history. Wars from foreign bodies have crippled the country, it was hardly ever its own state to begin with in practical terms. The people can hardly be blamed because its a fucking desert with nothing but opium to make money from.
Yemen: see Afghanistan, but more recently with the wars thing.
South Sudan and Sudan are not even economic in nature so much as, again, African cultural conflicts take precedence over actual nation building.
Somalia is anarchy, I don't even think they have a government. Like, on the local level, its just fucking warlords wearing paratrooper hats and shirts donated by hypothetical "world champion" sports teams after they lost the big game.
>>74212664
But Sanders liked them.
>>74213657
I doubt he met them, they aren't very fond of Jews either.
>>74207196
Or by controlling the state that controls the means of production
>>74213657
Estonia was part of the USSR, fampai.
>>74213968
>USSR isn't found of Jews
Maybe not the typical citizen.
>>74212634
You can correct their mistake by letting them starve and wallow away.
It's nice to know that my tax dollars will make sure that some random nigger can just destroy his text books and not have to worry about paying for it, because everyone pays for it. They also pay for him to not listen in classes and just fuck around.
It's like everyone in the US is a parent and a child at the same time
>>74214068
After Stalin, no one was fond of Jews. Not openly either way, they were only used as a pawn to parade around as yet another ethnic group the Red Army "Liberated" from the evil Nazis.
>>74202923
Bernie wants to send you to college for free to ensure you keep voting for free shit while being force-fed more leftist indoctrination while obtaining your soon-to-be-useless degree that now holds no value since they'll inevitably push everyone through just as they do in public schools today.
Bernie is a hemorrhoid on the ass of all that is logical.
>>74202923
>literally doing the happy merchant pose
it's like the stereotypes create themselves
