Thoughts on universal basic income?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income
>An unconditional basic income (also called basic income, basic income guarantee, universal basic income, universal demogrant,[1] or citizen’s income) is a form of social security system[2] in which all citizens or residents of a country regularly receive an unconditional sum of money, either from a government or some other public institution, in addition to any income received from elsewhere.
On the one hand, this is a good, humane, compassionate policy that ensures that nobody ill be left behind, but at the same time this could be easily exploited by degenerates. Also, the state would be increasingly interfering with our lives. I think it's only possible in non degenerate countries like Switzerland and [spoiler]Canada[/spoiler].
>>74196848
my views on socialism?
fuck it
>>74196848
Prepare for rent prices to fucking skyrocket.
As long as the citizens can use their gibmedats to finance terrorism against the state, it's perfect.
>>74196848
>give people money for doing nothing
>more people start doing nothing
hmmm
>be retail owner
>wages go up
>so do my prices
I don't like it and I think it's too soon to be talking about it right now, but I believe that a system like that is inevitable in the not too distant future as machines replace the need for human labor.
>>74196848
At some point in the future, I think it's going to become necessary. Automation is going to steadily decrease the amount of jobs available, and our population is still growing each year. However, we don't need it yet, and I'm not convinced our economies can handle it right now anyway. But it's definitely something we should be aware of, and possibly start laying the financial groundwork for.
>>74197422
>>74197434
hahaha what the fuck
>>74196848
If everyone has something then no one has something, enjoy prices going up and the currency getting inflated, what is the point?
>>74196848
the only people who want basic income are niggers and NEET faggots fuck off OP and keep your grubby jew hands out of my pocket
>>74197434
please without the gender and race politics. either just make it about class or simply everyone.
>>74197177
We should have rent controls anyway.
>>74196848
I can think of many end results of UBI, both good and bad.
However, I don't know of anything else we can do once labor is completely disconnected from production, i.e. once automation replaces most jobs.
What will be left? We are already closing more markets than making them.
>>74196848
Yeah, communism. We already tried this, it doesn't work.
I'm fine with universal basic income in exchange for universal basic labor.
>>74196848
Communism, rebranded
When everything is automated you might have to do something like this, but with so many people flooding our countries it might not be possible
I think at the time everything because automated and there are no jobs there will be huge civil wars in all 1st world countries
>>74197607
People worked for their slave wages in communist USSR. Is that the communism you speak of?
>>74197434
>Automation is going to steadily decrease the amount of jobs available
>>74197422
Both of you are retarded.
Jobs won't just """"disappear"""". New occupations will take their place.
Think of the jobs we have now that didn't exist 100 or even 50 years ago.
Heck, 20 years ago there was no such thing as cloud development.
>>74197287
I'd love to see some country try it just so we can see it fail and have proof it won't work.
>>74197512
You should look up the effects of price ceilings
>>74197676
Yeah, and this is what is going to happen with you westcucks if you will be retarded enough to permit something like UBI
>>74196848
its called commie plot round 3
round 1: cold war
round 2: latam bolivarianism
round 3: muh basic income
they NEVER learn
>>74197512
But who the fuck wants the government to interfere with what they want to charge for their property?
If I want to charge 10 000 bucks per month for a shack in the middle of bumfuck nowhere I'm gonna do it.
I would support it for white people, but it's too early, whites need to rebuild Volksgemeinschaft first. Then it's time to destroy capitalism.
>>74197802
marx was right about technology
This only benefits those with below average intelligence/work ethic/planning skills
Even if you are complete average in 2/3 and above average in 1/3 of theses, you are subsidizing the system for the mouth breathing sector of the population
I don't go to work everyday to give random people a check just for waking up
Further, if the only way to support yourself is to live on government welfare, you dont deserve to be kept alive
>>74197802
Well, what would be ideal then?
Rich get richer, poor get poorer? I know this is such a Bernie meme thing to say but I really do hate seeing the globalist elite establishment stay rich and powerful while us plebs are powerless cockroaches.
>>74196848
In America we call it the Army, but universal income is a good term too.
Seriously though, you can't be expected to get money for doing nothing, you at least need to look busy otherwise the façade of society won't hold up.
>>74197914
>Rich get richer, poor get poorer
How bout you become a productive member of society and be comfortably upper middle class.
>>74197914
If globalist elite is so bad and everyone knows it, why do they still have power if you have true capitalism?
>>74197757
Canada's Ontario provenance is about to do it.
Why do you ask?
BECAUSE IT'S GOD DAMN MOTHER FUCKING 2016
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ontario-to-pilot-a-universal-basic-income-experiment-a6916571.html
>>74197914
You should look up income mobility.
The poor aren't getting poorer. There are those who do in society, and those who do not. The latter will never succeed.
>>74197791
>UBI
>you get it without working
>communism
>being forced to work for your wage
wat
>>74196848
>paying people for simply existing
Wew
>>74197397
which is why you need competition.
>>74197699
>New occupations will take their place.
thats some real baby tier thinking
New jobs will come, but how do you know the amount of new jobs will be equal to the amount of old jobs being taken away?
>>74196848
>Your entire life now depends on the government not fucking your shit up
One wrong leader and the country is fucked.
Also this creates a two class society: poorfags who are controlled by the state due to the paycheck. And richfags who make society go around.
Guess what group of people will get purged sooner or later? the burden on society or the producers?
>>74198040
Yes I want to do that but it's not that simple in Britbongistan.
Fucking retarded.
Not surprised that NEETs of /pol/ support this.
You guys are literally as lazy as the niggers you hate so badly.
>muh robots will take jobs
Yeah. In 50 years or so.
>>74198297
>implying i'm not having closed door meetings with other retail owners where we agree not to raise our prices and all make a profit
>>74196848
We already have it.
It's called welfare.
>>74198339
>poorfags who are controlled by the state due to the paycheck.
Thats already the way it is, If you lose your job and go on benefits thats what happend
In a UBI world you would still be able to get a job like in todays world
![5ZE0tgt[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/cGSD9gV.png "5ZE0tgt[1].png")
Why Basic Income is a scam made to appeal to millenials who dream of not working but still affording coffee and a laptop every other year explained in one simple diagram.
>>74197655
>receive the money for not working
>communism
Great example of American education folks.
That will work with automatic manufacturing and robots everywhere. Just no other way to keep society.
>>74197287
Whats the problem, less competition for the people who try
>>74198472
This is for every nigger, including those who earn a load of money in employment.
The resources spent on a basic income would be much better put to use supporting welfare and higher minimum wages than simply handing out flat sums to everyone whether or not they need or deserve it
>helicopter money
Absolutely horrible.
>>74198244
Okay, where does the UBI budget come from?
I hope every country goes full blown socialism ASAP. We need it to collapse, and keeping any free-market principles around will only increase the longevity of our socialist states. Universal basic income should be at least 35,000 USD. Then we can finally erupt into civil war and revert back to a free country like God intended.
>>74198657
I hope you don't live in Ontario, boyo
>>74196848
This would work, as long as it was not too generous. It would be possible to live without working but you would not have access to any luxuries and everyone would consider you a leeching lazy fuck. In addition, this would only be granted to established citizens of a country (like you are only eligible after being a citizen for 5 years), to prevent retarded migrants.
>>74198532
Let's wait until we get there senpai. Society has invented a lot of jobs since the middle ages as work has become more effective.
"WE NEED BASIC INCOME NOW BECAUSE THINK OF WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE"
Then we do it in the future, no? No need to rush presumably...?
>>74198422
how the fuck does that result in more profit tho won't that just make everyone earn a bit less?
i know i'm economically illiterate
>>74196848
Not viable, comfort and content are the death of progress. So are humanity and compassion for the most part for that matter.
>>74198593
Well, there goes the entire "hurr, all people will just become NEETS argument"
>>74198518
I dont think basic income has anything to do with not giving benefits to disabled people
>>74198518
Basic income means firing a lot of admin and privatizing a lot of services that used to be publicly owned. That is all.
>Here is a cash amount lower than the value of what we are taking away. Vote for it goy.
>>74198709
thank fuck no, I'm in atlantic canada
I can't wait for this entire country to collapse so we can get absorbed by the US while ontario burns and quebec and the western provinces all fuck off and make their own countries.
>>74198803
Cooperating with other retail owners decreases price competition which drives up profits.
That's why collusion in illegal in most markets.
>>74196848
It's going to happen eventually
Otherwise there will be huge amounts of poverty
What do you think will happen when they perfect and legalize fully automatic cars?
Truck drives, taxi drivers, bus drivers will all become unemployed within a few decades.
The trucking industry alone employed 10 million Americans.
What about other jobs?
McDonalds is slowly transitioning to automated cashiers
What will we do when humans are obsolete for half of all jobs?
>>74198518
Oh yeah, and if the Basic Income is enough to cover rent for single person 1, then it's also by far enough to cover comfortable living for couple 2 and 3 who live in 2's inherited flat.
At the moment housing expenses are means tested. Hence people only get them if they need them. Hence people who have inherited houses don't get them.
>>74198891
We'll never absorb you. We don't want the extra liberals.
>>74198803
no one tries to compete, we all just agree to profit while not improving any of our products.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligopoly
>>74198843
The assertion is that with Basic Income you would shut down welfare services.
That includes welfare services to disabled people.
Or would you still preserve the welfare system and give mental disability benefits to retarded people on a means-tested basis? That's not what BI proponents are saying. They are saying welfare will be replaced.
is it possible to discuss Basic Income without it becoming Projection: The Thread?
>>74198238
>>74196848
i have a mentally disabled brother and i have have the resources to help him find some meaning in life. I wouldnt necessarily call myself a communist but i was always taught to share and help people. I also work in the medical profession and its quite clear that these programs act as drugs. some drugs work and some drugs dont work.
My two critiques with negative income taxes are these:
1. These programs are notoriously difficult to undo or reverse. Ie take them off drug
2. It should NOT be determined by race and gender theory.
other solutions include: dismantling crony capitalism or decentralizing government.
>>74198579
Sorry to break it to you, but people working at McDonalds aren't exactly "trying" as is. Some of them sure are, but you'd have to be mighty stupid (not that there's anything wrong with that) to try and stay at a shit job for long. People only are holding the economy up because they have to in order to survive. Take out any incentive to do even the simplest task and no one will do it. Then our executives and the rest of our workforce will have to pack their own lunches, wasting their own time rather than a nigger's, and GDP will plummet.
Ultimately that's a good thing though, lets all vote socialist in order to speed up the disintegration of our great nations.
>Total spending on benefits and tax credits is expected to come to about £217 billion in 2015/16
>UK population 65,111,143
I wouldn't be opposed to cutting everything else and just giving everyone ~£3333 a year.
>>74196848
Dude calculator lmao
$12000 a year in basic income for the USA = $3.78 TRILLIONS
2016 USA budget
Total revenue $3.525 trillion
Total expenditures $3.999 trillion (requested)
Deficit $474 billion + $3.78 trillions(and growing each year)
What will possibly go wrong, amirite?
>muh automation, muh obsolete jobs!
>gubmint makes money out of thin air to gibsmedats
>hyper inflation not seen since prewar Germany
>literally carry a suitcase of notes to buy a jug of milk or some break
>>74197902
Pretty sure social safety net programs cost more for us already. I support this because if it is implemented there is a heavy chance that safety net programs will be dissolved, leaving the filth no excuse to suck more from the system and it would allow a great deal of unoppurtuned people to follow their longterm goals. Sure niggers will get free money but youre delusional if you think the current system isnt rigged that way already. If niggers get govt bucks, so should everyone
>>74196848
Things in life are seldom free, to obtain a basic income something of equal value must be given up. That is the law of equivalent exchange.
>>74198876
>Basic income means firing a lot of admin and privatizing a lot of services that used to be publicly owned. That is all.
>I dont think basic income has anything to do with not giving benefits to disabled people
What the hell? Basic Income is consistently presented as involving REPLACING MEANS-TESTED WELFARE WITH THE BASIC INCOME AT A FLAT RATE.
Holy fuck.
Well, I guess it illustrates even better that Basic Income is whatever people need it to be in the moment.
>>74198964
Truck drivers will still be necessary if only for loading, paper work, etc.
We don't even have driver-less subways yet.
>>74197397
That's not how prices work but OKAY... Obviously not a business owner like me.
>>74196848
It's not the nature of things.
Let me even debunk you're fucked up photo for one.
It looks nice and fair for all of the poor fuckers on top right? Everything is equal right? MOTHA FUCKING WRONG NIGGA.
When a heft wave, the force of a tsunami, rogue under water current, and other natural oceanic movements happen, some of these fuckers are going to capsize, some of these fuckers will barely feel it, some of them will move so far away as to not even be apart of the group statistically anymore.
Nature is going to fuck some over more than others.
GET THE FUCK OVER IT AND DO ABSOLUTELY ALL YOU CAN TO MAKE IT SO NATURE FUCKS YOU OVER THE LEAST.
GOD DAMMIT YOU DUMB FUCKERS.
>2016, browsing pol and not having an offshore account.
The fuck is wrong with you people.
>>74199160
"I support it because"
Yea except you're wanting to make it mandatory I fucking finance it against my will.
You idiots never think past your nose
>>74197512
Shit yeah bro
Fuck supply and demand
Fuck the fact the every single time rent control has been introduced it ruined the supply of housing avaible and made it harder for the improvised to find houses as landlord either stop taking care of there building or don't invest and built anymore building.
Fuck yeah government involvement
>>74199126
>I wouldn't be opposed to cutting everything else and just giving everyone ~£3333 a year.
See my diagram here which has already addressed your post before it was even made:
>>74198518
There are already a ton of people who require more than £3333 a year in order to live. The proposition from the delusional fagfarm is that we can still cut their benefits enormously. They don't talk about the implication, which is that they would be dying in the streets, because that's not convenient.
Leftists would never let people die in the streets even if they spent their entire check on drugs day 1, so we would end up with a clusterfuck of Basic Income with additional means-tested welfare on the side.
>>74199075
>give mental disability benefits to retarded people
Why would anyone do that?
>>74199224
That is how prices work to an extent. Even when I was a commie I understood and accepted that. Your argument should be that hopefully wages go up 5% while prices go up 4.5%, which would help your average worker
>>74197914
if you live in a developed country you dont know what poor is. FACT
you will nver sleep in dirt, without electricity and water, on a tin shack. thats 90% of the world. the poor arent getting poorer, the poor are getting richer, as developing countries develop
automation wont end jobs, jobs will alwyas be there. this is just alarming nonsense, on the same vein as how a mailman would have complained about emails
>>74199126
>217 billion divided by 65,111,143 = £3333
Holy shit you are right, how does that even make sense?
If everyone single person in the country was on job seekers it still wouldn't reach that amount.
Who are all these people getting free money and how do i do it?
>>74199468
Becaue they can't work, so if they don't get money they die. It's a common meme in the developed world that we give people money to not die for lack of money.
It's an absolutely fantastic way to generate inflation, increase government debt, discourage low-skilled workers from finding employment, and lower the value of a currency, all while expanding the bloated bureaucracy of the welfare state.
As some anons have pointed out, it may be necessary if automation reached a level that rendered most jobs obsolete, but in that case it would probably be a system of energy-based credits based on the amount of energy it took to produce the goods/services you order from the automated services. In other words, it wouldn't really be currency or income by that point.
>>74196848
A doctor works harder then a janitor, they should not be payed equally.
>>74199564
Housing benefit add up senpai. Cost of rent per month x number of months x a bedroom for each of 7 kids.
>>74199564
Ahmed, Mohammed, Mahmood, Mahmoods cousin, Ali, Alis mate etc.
>>74196848
Basic income is welfare.
You know what? I'm fine with welfare. My idea of welfare though.
>You get an allowance based on necessities required (and a little extra) depending on age of individuals needing support
>Must live in gov't housing
>You are stripped of some basic rights (no voting, no gun buying, etc.)
>Must prove you're seeking employment
>Mandatry drug tests
>You are given a card to spend money, not cash
>Card is declined if purchases exceed a certain amount at certain stores (e.g. you couldn't spend more than $50 a day at an electronics store like Best Buy)
>No travel, unless you can prove it's a family emergency
>After you earn X amount you can no longer participate in the program. You will be evicted within a month from gov't housing, rights are restored
>After you earn Y amount your wages are garnished and you begin to pay back what you chose to borrow from the state
>This program is 100% voluntary, you can leave it at any time, but you must pay back what you borrowed
>There is no penalty for breaking the rules of the program (i.e. spending more than $50 at Best Buy somehow or buying a gun) but you are expelled from the program and must pay back what was borrowed
tl;dr I'm fine if you want to suck on the teat of welfare, but you're gonna live under conditions stipulated, and you are obligated to pay back anything you borrowed. Don't like it? Don't join, go be poor somewhere else.
>>74199565
Well I know I'll be called edgy but
that is what is wrong with the Western world.
>>74198325
This has always happened in the past, why wouldn't it happen in the future as well?
I'm not advocating raising the minimum wage, don't get me wrong, but when automation comes we will have jobs to replace the old ones.
>>74198663
Bernie Sanders' gaping asshole
>>74199565
>if they don't get money they die.
They would get basic income.
Also if they require care, their caretakers also get basic income.
>>74196848
Basic necessities makes more sense. Food/Water/Shelter. They would be basic to encourage people to succeed. Just a basic nutrient paste, water and a converted shipping container. If it was done efficiently it could work out to be rather cost effective.
>>74199726
Does the taxpayer get to stipulate how the government spends their cash, or is that a one way thing?
>>74199399
Calm down its a discussion. I am acknowledging that you already pay for niggers to live so this "i dont want to pay" attitude really gets you nowhere because the govt doesn't give a fuck about you and will take as they please to appease the niggers. My presumption was that if the safety net programs are dissolved then we will save in the end and the investment would be spent on people who matter and niggers instead of only niggers. Is there a more educated anon here who can confirm that?
>>74199823
this.
also off grid technology
>>74199446
No it didn't, it just assumed that with £3333 you will "die on the streets" and that charitable organisations will no longer exist, and from a faulty premise anything can be derived.
>>74199501
Prices for commodities work on exchanges from a distribution hub, when there is more demand, prices increase. Simply increasing wages is no guarantee for increasing the demand of certain commodities. The price levels of grain directly correspond with the price of finished grain based products. The price of lumber directly effects the construction cost of home building.
People don't wake up and say "hey, now that I have 5$/hr more than I did yesterday, I'm going to pay 200$ for a box of cereal!" That box of cereal increases proportional to grain inflation on the Chicago futures exchange, not the wages of local groups.
Basic income could be funded by land value taxes which the revenue would be redistributed as social dividends.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_dividend
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_value_tax
It would actually be more cost effective than funding all the social welfare programs we already have.
>>74199609
you're saying the currency in this utopia will be Joules?
>>74199726
>No travel, unless you can prove it's a family emergency
Why not?
Free public transport is probably the best way to let people find a job.
A major reason for unemployment is people don't look outside their own village/suburb for job opportunities.
Hell, we even have unemployed pilots here because Dutch pilots think Dubai and Turkey are too far to do a job interview.
>>74200192
I think he means travel abroad, like the welfare sponges in the UK that go to Ibiza every summer.
>>74200192
>>74200348
*abroad on holiday
>>74199726
be a perfect time for me to get some slave labor.
>>74199726
>>You are stripped of some basic rights (no voting, no gun buying, etc.)
yes yes the poor should have less rights, good thinking Horowitz!
>>74200171
Effectively, yes. If everything is automated, from resource gathering to production to delivery to maintenance, the only thing that's being spent is energy. I could see a system wherein citizens are allotted a certain amount of energy per period, which is based on some agreed upon unit, which are spent on goods/services "priced" based on the total energy need to produce and transport them.
>>74196848
Only a poor person would come up with this idea
>>74199752
Your not basing that on anything but a feeling
>>74199843
That's altogether different. Ultimately low taxes decide how you spend your money. I do believe that people should have more control over how their taxes are spent, but then again, that's what the House is for. The House has the power of the purse, if you don't like how the money is being spent, vote them out.
>>74200192
True. By travel I do mean somewhere out of the region (200+ mile radius, for example). But it would behoove some people to move out of state.
>>74200416
Damn right. Only it's a voluntary program. If you want gov't money prepare to live under conditions. If you don't want it, don't do it.
>>74200457
Again, voluntary. Want to buy a gun or vote? Leave the program. Nothing stops you. Just don't expect to go back so quickly out of convenience.
>>74199823
That's not basic income because you lose it when you buy proper food and live in a normal house.
If you give enough money to buy nutrient paste, but allow people to supplement it with their own money to buy noodles, then you create a strong incentive to work - that's the main idea behind basic income.
>>74197287
>more people start doing nothing
less people start stealing shit and killing people for money and invading houses for shit to sell on ebay and craigslist too right? .... right?
>>74199080
>dismantling the one system that works in the sense that its people don't die in the gulags
It's an unsustainable system and a failure, but atleast it's better than communism. How many times have communists attempted communism? and how many times has it led to social totalitarianism? communism is the biggest meme.
>>74199823
>basic nutrient paste
>>74196848
this sounds like commie bullshit. as in, good ideas espoused by intelligent people practiced by the very human and fallible masses. who knows what that amount of idle hands would breed? Look at the already extensive welfare programs of various countries and how they rarely help people. Frankly, it's a temporary problem and who cares about the solution. Eugenics and population control are the real future.
people need conflict, pressure, and to be told what to do.
How would this work with that cow in Germany inviting every darkie on planet Earth to get Euro benefits?
>>74199128
>implying people who make more then that much a year will go the NEETBUCKS life
>>74201578
It will actually make illegal immigration next to impossible.
>>74200605
Actually I'm basing this off Chapter 11 of Basic Income by Thomas Sowell. Spefically in the Employment and Unemployment.
>>74199802
So you're telling me that disabled people would receive Basic Income. to prevent them from dying in the streets.
Whilst just above, another BI proponent is saying that "I dont think basic income has anything to do with not giving benefits to disabled people":
>>74198843
As I said, it's a clusterfuck where Basic Income is at any point whatever its proponents need it to be.
I refer again to my chart here:
>>74198518
Either a lot of people will die in the streets, or, we must raise taxes massively as even single healthy couples with inherited apartments each get the same as a disabled single farmer with no legs who needs an adapted home.
>>74202131
>So you're telling me that disabled people would receive Basic Income.
EVERY citizen would receive basic income
That's the whole idea.
No exceptions = no bureaucracy.
>>74201854
We are getting to the point where any low skilled job can be replaced by a robot, so any new low skilled job that comes into creation can also be done by a robot
and there are many people that can only work low skilled jobs
>>74202131
los angeles alone has over 200,000 (two hundred THOUSAND) homeless people in that one city alone. residents in the surrounding area and in the area itself see many thousand more homeless people because no one gives two flying fucks about a real persistent problem of caring about a basic aspect of humanity and ignore caring about each other. those homeless people were someone's friend, son, brother, uncle, father that they let slip through their fingers, ITS NOT JUST that they "made bad choices in their life" its that everyone failed them!!
thats why this program such as this or similar program is helpfull... automation and productivity staying high due to it will still be another reason
Dismantle the welfare state first, and then we'll talk.
From a practical standpoint, hell will freeze over before a universal basic income is implemented and actually removes all the other forms of welfare. The fiscal conservative argument here is nothing more than a trojan horse to add on yet another redistributive program.
>>74197914
The poor do get richer, but at a mucher lesser rate than the rich because, guess what, the rich are more educated/hard-working. Inequality will always exist because people are widly inequal in their competences/ambitions. As for basic income, it is just communism 2.0; it wont work because people will get lazier and the amount of wealth will backtrack, crumbling the system. Automation can make food and manufactured goods dirty cheap, but it wont solve the scarcity of human services. People will still have to work to make/get them.
>>74202604
You're a broken record by now.
I am pointing out that this level of Basic Income which EVERY citizen receives must be at either level 1 or to in the chart above:
>>74198518
If it's at level 1, enough to support current welfare recipients so that they are not dying in the streets, taxes must be raised massively.
If it's at level 2, very far below what a single farmer who has lost his legs needs to survive, then current welfare recipients would be dying in the streets, and we both know leftists could not stomach that, so we would end up with Basic Income and means-tested welfare at the same time.
>>74197469
Basic income doesn't cause inflation because the money supply remains finite. Some people will pay in much more than they get out. It's more like a public fund that pays dividends than a minimum wage.
its inevitable
the real question is whether it will be willingly or by force
>>74204540
>You're a broken record by now.
You're the one who keeps jerking off over your retarded chart.
>>74197512
Retard. Will never see how their policies ALWAYS result in more problems.
Basic universal income.
>Housing prices rocket
Control rent.
>Price ceiling collapse.
More government control.
>more problems.
AD INFINIUM.
>>74196848
given that economies are becoming more and more automated, I think it will become a necessity
>>74196848
>good
encouraging laziness is not good
>humane
humans are not fucking ants
>compassionate
not so much when the economy has meted and hospitals dont have supplies to treat babies
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/16/world/americas/dying-infants-and-no-medicine-inside-venezuelas-failing-hospitals.html
>>74204031
Damn, Brazil, you hit it.
