>leftist scum want to ban this
Why do they kill the bull? I never understood that part of it.
>>74100925
look all i want them to do is not kill the bull its not like they eat it or anything sounds like a waste instead tire it out then put your foot on top or something
its like sport fishing after you catch the fish let it go unless you plan to eat it
>>74100977
>>74101290
;____; why do they kill the bull?
Go fuck yourselves moron. You don't give a fuck about all those chickens cooped up into pens so tiny they can't even turn around in them and forcefed so you can get your artery clogging chicken nuggets but a bull dying in battle, with the dignity such a mighty beast deserves, somehow makes you sad.
>>74100977
muh culture
>>74100925
Good, it's fucking degenerate nigger behavior to torture animals like that
>>74100925
They want the bulls to themselves.
>>74101641
Of course a Brit is a cucked faggot
>>74100925
It should be banned. That's just islamic tier cruelty.
Meat eater here but I want animals to be treated well and given a death as quick and painless as possible.
Killing the bull shows you are an alpha and not a cuck, faggots
Degenerate sport for a degenerate people desu
>>74101733
>Meat eater here but I want animals to be treated well
Then you should be a vegan.
So do I.
I cam understand things like fox hunting as it keeos fixes away from farm crops. I even hunt pheasants with a goal of doing the same thing.
But wtf is the goal of ruining a bulls time? I don't understand it.
>>74101722
I suppose you agree with Halal slaughtering, Mohammed, have fun in 60 percent white land
>>74100925
I don't want it banned, but if they're going to keep doing why don't they do it like their ancestors anymore?
To fucking scared?
Nowadays bulls are drugged so they're disoriented and they're bread to be more easily killed.
Fuck that shit. You guys want to show off how manly you are? Do it like your badass predecessors before you.
>>74101861
I know that you're probably trolling but goddamn if you basement dwellers aren't some of the most retarded people I've ever seen.
>>74101855
football is more degenerated sport ban that
>>74101733
Would you rather prep the bull?
>>74100925
Eventually leftists and cucks will want to ban all sorts of physical sports just because it doesn't fit with them or they have a small dick. Stuff like the running of the bull may be irrational but if people want to do let them.
>>74101861
They taste better if they don't suffer. That's all
>>74100925
>>74100925
Tbh there is literally nothing wrong with bull fighting. Just like >>74101469 said, a Spanish bull is treated with dignity and respect (at least in Spain), and brings the Spanish people together. If the bull wins it will be a attractive breeding bull for the rest of its life. If you're against an ancient and honorable man vs beast sport you're a communist, antichrist Jew who hates culture.
>Not even a 1v1
>A bunch of fags endlessly chuck spears from the safety of the crowd
>Alternatively the dude has a hidey hole where he can run to safety if the bull fucks him up
It's complete pussy shit. Give the dude one spear and a cape and I'll be impressed.
>>74101722
>Spastic American doesn't realise his country us totally cucked too
Thus is why I lose hope in you. Your "right wing" think you're not cucked, so you're never going to speak up and rise.
No wonder marxshits are increasing in your race mixing gaff
I think it's supposed to be like a ballet with the theme being extreme taunting and humiliation
The bull is a big dummy - with retard strength. Like an autist even
The bull fighter is a normal human holding a rubix cube in front of the autists face then pulling it out of reach and tripping him when he lunges for it
So it's art
>>74101733
>meat eater
>muh animal rights
Fuck off hypocrite peace of shit.
Meat eater here too but not that retarded.
>>74101641
>torture
An animal is a biological machine with no soul. They are well fed and have an incredible life for an animal. Their death is also really clean. Some little spikes are nothing, you can see how animals sometimes don't even blink when half their organs have fallen to the ground. They are just machines. If you are going to worry about them when there is no cruelty, worry too about the plans or insects you walk on.
>>74101469
It doesn't seem fair that the man gets to use weapons, but the bull doesn't.
It's simple.
Kill animals for food, not for entertainment, and while you do it, make it quick. Not that hard.
If you enjoy killing them for fun or killing them extra slow/cruel, then you are a degenerate.
>>74102257
It doesn't seem fair that we get to drive cars but cars get no humans to drive
>>74102209
Provide evidence that we have souls and animals don't.
Provide evidence that a soul even exists.
>>74102181
>Fuck off hypocrite peace of shit. Meat eater here too but not that retarded.
>peace of shit. not that retarded.
>peace. retarded.
>>74102257
I guess you're against hunting then too?
Lot of people want to ban it here.
I personally never went to a corrida but I respect people who want to go.
Also I answer questions
>>74102338
We have consciousness, which can't be explained by anything material no matter how hard you try. Animals are just instincts
>>74102107
Portuguese bullfighting involes a man on a horse with a lance going "1v1 fite me faggit" but SJW hate that even worse. You know why? Because the vocal cords of the horse are cut. You know why they're cut? Because if they're not, the horse whinnies in panic, which makes SJW complain.
With SJW, you simply cannot win.
>>74102147
The bull is drugged to be disoriented, it's not even fair.
They should remove the drugs from the equation and do it like their badass predecessors.
>>74102338
>>74102336
I'm referring to a post where it is stated that it is a battle where the animal has dignity. That would only be the case in a battle where the human doesn't have an unfair advantage.
>>74102364
If we are talking about the dignity of the animal, that can still be preserved in hunting, as long as the human hunts with no weapons.
>>74100925
Its animal cruelty. I mean you can be edgy all you want but thats the simple fact.
>>74100977
Because it's not a game or a sport: it's a fight to the death between man and beast. People don't realize that the bullfighter has as much of a possibility of dying as the bull. Some of the most famous bullfighters in history actually died in the ring.
That's the beauty of it. That something so primal and raw as a fight to the death between man and beast has been made into an art and kept for hundreds of years.
>>74102473
Provide evidence that animals do not have consciousness.
Define consciousness.
>>74102488
>"I can't defend my ideals so you are silly".
Bull fighting is badass. All these fucking pussies "oh muh animals oh it deserves clean death waaah" it's just a fucking bull you queers most of you probably eat beef and those cows die ankle deep in shit killed by a machine. At least these Bulls go out fighting and sometimes they even win. And to the people saying it's pussy shit, I dare you to step into the ring with a fucking bull, they're massive, powerful animals that are intimidating as fuck up close. Pic unrelated.
>>74102473
o u
>>74102592
stop eating dead animals then cuck xD
>>74102665
But the bulls are fighting against an armed opponent. Why not have both the matador and the bull go out their stark naked and fight a natural fight? That would be much more exciting.
>>74102651
Sure. About as much of a "fight" as shooting fish in a barrel.
>>74102181
>peace of shit.
Et vive les belges
>>74102592
Waaah animal cruelty waaah. Keep crying you fucking cuck. Animals kill each other in the most fucked up ways all the time. That bull will gore the fuck out of the fighter if it gets the chance and fair is fair. The fact that a man can step into the ring with an animal that is so superior physically is badass as fuck and it's a pretty entertaining spectacle as well. Things die, get over it cuck.
The bull Isn't actually tortured it has a large release of endorphins and other adrenaline related chemicals.
>>74102755
>Why not have both the matador and the bull go out their stark naked and fight a natural fight?
It might just have something to do with the matador not having horns, and the use of sharp sticks being ingrained in humanity.
>>74101855
R A R E
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>>74102584
Lad stop
>>74102798
You realize that many bullfighters are killed or badly injured and that they also have to drive a sword into the neck of the bull at the end by standing face-to-face with it
>>74100925
>>leftist scum want to ban this
They want to ban everything! Free speak, guns, and now fun!
>>74102755
Humans use tools. That's our survival mechanism. Bulls are strong and aggressive as fuck, that's their survival mechanism. It's a primal fight. You think cavemen tried to fight fucking mammoths bare handed? No they made weapons.
muh feelies fur animals!
muh tears!
when did /pol/ became reddit?
I love animals and i love bullfighting, it involves lots of metaphysic concepts, it isnt just killing a bull, you dumb fucks
>>74102209
Yep, they don't have a soul cos souls don't exist nutcase. However they are sentient beings and can feel pain.
The reason I don't care about insects is because their brains are so small they are barely self aware, but bulls are so it is different.
>>74102930
>Animals kill each other in the most fucked up ways all the time
Someone needs to post that video of a bunch of seagulls tearing chunks out of a still living penguin's asshole.
I'm opposed to this sport, BUT, saying the bull is "defenseless" is retarded.
I've seen matadors get gouged by those horns, NOT pretty!
>>74100925
>Those socks
You're damn right I want that shit banned. Jesus Christ, someone inform /fa/ of this monstrosity to fashion!
>>74102657
Consciousness is well beyond the domain of the process based on arbitrary thresholds you call "evidence".
Animals have never shown any consciousness. I know that you and others have because they are like me. Animals are, and will always be, biological machines no different from a rock.
Consciousness is very simple, the existence of free will.
>>74103137
>Yep, they don't have a soul cos souls don't exist nutcase
>Yet somehow moral prerogatives to not hurt animals exist
>Unless they're being hurt far away from my sight to produce chicken nuggetrs
I will never understand materialist atheists and their constant doublehtink. Under your world view 'It's wrong to kill bulls' and 'it's wrong to commit genocide' have as much value and authority as the statement 'pistachio icecream is disgusting'. They're all subjective.
>>74103148
Or the chimpanzee picking up the frog and facefucking it to death.
>>74103235
>NOT pretty!
why are you talking like trump tweets
>>74101855
I've never seen you before.
>>74103137
There is no sentience or self awareness without soul, for the same reason a rock isn't self aware: it's just a mass of particles.
>>74102473
Actually Pablo, consciousness can be explained by the synapses and neurons of the brain.
And IF souls do exist- what evidence do you have to be so sure that animals don't have them also?
>>74102473
>>74102209
You are a literal retard. No surprise coming from the shithole that is your country.
There is factually zero difference between humans and other animals in terms of consciousness or "soul". Both are a product of the electrical signals in the brain. Humans and other mammals have the exact same basic structure of the brain, the human brain is just slightly more evolved than every other type.
Anyone who disputes this, like you, is retarded.
>>74103345
A rock doesn't have a brain, but who knows, perhaps on some level it is self aware- you can't really prove or disprove it.
You still have not proved a soul exists, you sound like that Muslim who kept on saying that "the heart is a spiritual organ" to try to prove Allah- where's your fucking evidence?
>>74103364
No, anything material you observe is just that. Stop time, slow it down as much as you want. At any point you will observe just electrical impulses, particles etc. You will never, ever be able to say "this is consciousness!". Neurons are just cells that, from several electrical impulses, produce another electrical impulse. Nothing more. And those are, also, just atoms.
Anymals don't show anything that would make anyone thing they hhave a soul, they are just biological machines.
>>74100925
Fucking ape, you're probably a fan of dog fighting too.
>>74100925
> be me
> not lefty
> not righty
> still think that corrida is a disgusting torture
Man, how can you enjoy this shit?
>>74100925
>boohoo this hurts my feelfeels
Listen up you fucking beta faggots. These bulls are literally in Heaven the majority of their lifes. They get to impregnate an amount of bitches that is only on par with the amount of cuckold porn you watched on your lifetime. They get to roam the fields and enjoy their existence to the fullest, and the humans responsible for them are literally their servants. Then they get to have ONE night where they suffer, but not before giving all their might in a glorious attempt to defeat humanity.
You feel sorry for their existence? How about you feel sorry for the chickens who are born caged to a wall and forcefed shit until they fatten up enough to be put out of their misery? This is what you decide to get outraged about? Literally SJW tier nonsense.
>>74103034
You realize that it was the case maybe a hundred years ago but now the bulls are drugged so that it isn't as impressive?
Seriously, if they wanna keep doing this stuff, they should do it like the badasses before them.
Bullfighting will be eternal.
The only argument against it is muh feels.
Yet everyone I know goes to McDonalds, endorsing what is basically an Auschwitz for animals.
Same goes for fur clothing and lab tested produts. Atleast man up and admit you also don't give how random animals are treated.
It's literally Roman gladatorial combat that has survived to this day.
And yes fighting bulls live better lives and deaths than the steak on your plate
>>74103279
You will never understand reason because you are an unintelligent religious zealot with zero empathy, who only acts nice for fear of God.
There is no doublethink in what he says. If you can't understand why killing animals for food is okay but killing them for sport is not, then there's no point talking to you.
Ban that shit
>>74103620
Wow, still waiting on the evidence Pablo. You sound like this:
>"Because I can't explain why humans are sentient, it MUST be a soul!"
Please kill yourself, (If you have a soul it should be OK, right!), it hurts me that people this stupid share the same planet as me.
>>74100925
They should ban wounding the creature before it's released.
They should ban blinding the creature before it's released.
If you want to fight a bull to death then do it without crippling the fucking thing you great big spic faggot pussies.
>>74103500
Again, what you call "evidence2 is just a process that obstains a fallible number. If that number is above an arbitrary threshold: a pretty number (such as 0.01 or 0.05), something is considered to be true or false. As if that wasn't enough, that process can only be applied to fallible observations, and consciousness is well beyond it.
If humans had no soul, there would be no consciousness, no self awareness, no thoughts, nothing. There would be no you or me. Electrical signs are just electrical signs, there is no magical product, no consciousness that magically appears because there is a movement of electrons that you call electrical signals. Humans and other mammals have the same basic structure of the brain, but consciousness and the soul don't depend on the brain.
I recommend you get some information about hypothesis testing so that you can see yourself how much your "evidence" is worth, retard. But I doubt you can understand those things.
>>74103541
A brain isn't more special than a rock. Both are, materially, the same thing, some particles.
You still think, like a child, that what you call evidence can be applied to everything. It can't, it's just a little practical tool with no real value beyond that. I just know what I talk about, while you don't
>>74100925
i dont like it
>>74100977
Why don't you go prep the bull pussy? God people like you make me sick. Why do they kill the bull. Fucking dumbass.
>>74100925
Literally gay.
>>74103812
Nice post. How about you try adressing my points next time?
>>74103279
Yes, morals are subjective- you're getting it! I gain my morals from empathy, so I do not consider genocide equatable to not liking ice cream- but hey, some people might.
I don't hate animals being hurt because I think it is certainly morally wrong, but because I can imagine the pain the creature is going through.
Go and meditate with some crystals, dickhead
>>74103620
You are so stupid you can't even form a coherent sentence. You also clearly have never interacted with an animal, and are probably autistic or a sociopath.
Any owner of a dog, cat or any other sentient animal (which is all animals larger than insects) can tell you they have no less amount of soul than a human, able to feel a wide range of emotions and to care deeply for their families.
If you use the argument of intelligence to claim they do not have a soul, then by your metric small human children or people with brain impairments also do not have souls. Is that what you think?
Bullfighting is cool. No need to try to defend it so stupidly like this guy >>74103620
Ofcourse the bull suffers and feels pain, but it is also deadly and gets praised by the people. Some people really are pussies
>MUH FEELZ
>>74103870
That's like saying "still waiting for you to convince me using just sociology". This field is well beyond science. You are just used to glorifying what you call evidence because you think it sounds smart, while you are just some retard with a really limited understanding, who tries to limit the world to the little, petty things you are used to.
>>74103718
>You realize that it was the case maybe a hundred years ago
No they still get gored and stabbed today, surgery is much better now though
>>74100925
>torturing animals for fun
I still don't know why people think that it should be legal
>>74104129
>Yes, morals are subjective- you're getting it!
So you admit that your distaste for bullfighting is entirely personal and you don't have a leg to stand on when trying to convince others (especially the Spanish) that it's wrong of them to enjoy it?
If that's so, this is literally a "coca cola vs pepsi" tier discussion, a discussion not even worth having.
>>74102584
dignity is a human abstraction, you dumbass.
>>74104170
I have interacted with animals, but being cute isn't ahving a soul. You think they have emotions because you try to see in them your emotions. But there is only instincts. Animals are programmed machines, and you will be able to see this again, and again and agains in nature.
>>74104181
when a bull is killed, it is killed quickly. But before that, the harm is more or less nothing, considering animals just disembowel each other all the time.
>>74102257
yeah the bull should get a sword
he won't pick it up but its fair now
>>74103034
Yes, but who the fuck forced the bullfighters to "fight" the bull?
What type of retarded logic is that?
>>74104214
Okay, then, I suppose that my belief that the Universe was created by an omnipotent aardvark named futaballs is fine then? I can't provide evidence for that belief- but you can't disprove it so it must be true!
It's OK man, when you die and there is nothing but void and nothingness, your beliefs in fairy tales won't be much comfort then!
>>74103990
This. Bulls don't have a bad life until the moment of their death, but the fight isn't fair. Make it the real deal and I'm all in for it.
Or if you're gonna go full faggot don't ban it: make it so there's no bull-killing, but you have trained dancers who jump over the bull like the ancients did. That's also fun to watch.
>>74103620
>The current year
>Not knowing animism is the true answer.
Pedro pls.
HERE COMES DAT BOI
>>74104170
By the way, I would rather say thatyou are the sociopath, since you only see people as a mass of particles and forces or electrical impulses.
Those people have a soul, since they are humans. I have never mentioned intelligence. You should stop projecting.
>>74100925
>lefties want to destroy culture
nothing new here.
>>74104021
Even on /pol/ - hardly a bastion of intelligence - you are being laughed off by literally everyone in the thread.
The amount of stupidity on display in your post is staggering, as others have also commented.
You attempt to use big words to veil your ignorance, but no one is falling for it.
Keep pretending the entire world of science is wrong just because you don't understand something. Go back to your bible and never speak publicly again. No one wants to hear about your retarded ideas, just like no one wants to hear an islamic fundamentalist talk about his views.
>>74104170
edgy ice nigger being edgy again
go burn down a church or something faggot
>>74104552
I will attack your belief with theological arguments. Science is irrelevant here.
If there is no soul, there is no void and nothingness, since all I ever was was an arbitrary group of particles that aren't more special than a rock. So I will never die, because I have never lived, and there will be nothing feeling void and nothingness because there was never anything feeling anything :)
>>74102474
our bullfights are baby tier they even cut the bull's horns a bit so that it doesnt kill the fucboi
>>74104021
>A brain isn't more special than a rock. Both are, materially, the same thing, some particles.
>>74102209
[CITATION NEEDED]
>>74104021
Ugh. You are making us look stupid.
>>74100925
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e90ypZccIs
manliest shit ever
>>74103137
>souls don't exist
>fails to provide evidence for this hypothesis
Ok science guy
Just get the fuck out this is a christian board
>>74104297
I do think it is personal, yes. So I accept that other people won't agree with me. However I assumed most humans had some level of empathy- it is meant to be built in to us.
You are the phenomenon known as a psychopath, having no innate empathy., needing belief in a soul and God to stop you killing for the hell of it.
>>74102257
you don't know what horns are?
If a bull kills the matador he's fighting do they get set free or something?
>>74104223
You're addressing the wrong part of my information.
The bulls are drugged now.
Mortality of the bull fighter is way less likely.
>>74104642
I don't care about others. I guess you do, since you have nothing left but trying to hide behind them. I don't say science is wrong, I just know that it is a small petty practical tool, and nothing beyond that. For some reason, you want to worship a... method. You worship a method that was just intended to be a practical tool, but it is me with the retarded ideas. Heh
>>74100977
Because Europeans are barbarians. What a stupid culture.
>>74103500
>talking about some vague as fuck concepts like consciousness and soul
>ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS RETARDED
wew lad, tumblr is that way
>>74104599
>>74104426
>>74104214
>This field is well beyond science
It's incredible that someone can say this without a shred of irony given the literally thousands of years of people saying this exact thing about every field of science under the sun and being proven wrong every single time.
It takes a very special kind of stupidity.
>>74104906
>However I assumed most humans had some level of empathy
If morality is subjective, then empathy is just as much of use to us as at best our hands and feet and at worst our apendices. There's nothing "wrong" with not having it by these standards in as far as it does not limit your chances of reproduction. Hell, looking at how many women are attracted to men with Dark Triad traits, being a psychopath might even be an advantage under a materialistic world view.
>>74102257
And what are the horns
>>74104870
Breddy gud. Looks serious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brHuxeV029E
>>74100925
The only thing about bull fighting that bugged me was the dudes on horses, it should be a guy with a red cape and the bull not this helper shit
>>74104857
I just ask retarded atheists the questions they are too stupid to ask themselves. When someone questions them their brains jam, and they just begin repeating
>y-you are so stupid and ignorant...
they just can't understand why someone would consider science to be just science and have the limitations science has.
>>74102257
What the fuck are those things coming out of the bull's dome again? Are they antennae for finding the next person to prep him?
>>74102209
That's abortion - tier logic. Congratulations, you're fucking retarded.
>>74104170
>cats have souls
lmao, they are just stupid little useless animals, there is no rational argument against burning cats alive. We often burn cats inside Rio Tejo before going to a bullfight. It's fucking funny and who cares they're just soulless beasts, there's plenty of them around.
>>74105028
I really wouldn't say that, considering science gives no real knowledge.
>>74105331
that's a really complex way of saying "ur dum lol xD"
come back with an argument
>>74105331
No, it's realistic logic that doesn't consider a machine to be something more than a machine because it has fur.
I don't kill or harm them, but they have no soul, and if you are going to worry that way about them, then worry too about every plant and insect, hypocrite.
>>74104752
>I hunt with .45 ACP
>>74105331
it's a pretty good argument which you didn't even address, though.
>>74105092
You're starting to get it. But you have a way to go yet.
Empathy is what lets us exist as a society without destroying ourselves. It's not unimportant.
And no, there is no innate "right and wrong", because that's fucking retarded. 99.9999999999...% of the universe gets on just fine without anyone wondering what's right and wrong.
Religious retards need to believe their Santa Claus is watching to be good while atheists do it knowing full well that there's no reward. Who's the better people?
>>74105375
WEW LAD- careful you don't cut someone with that edge! You must have many friends, my unstable pal.
I've always wondered if bullfighting was one of the main "cultural" representations of this country, according to foreigners.
Some people are against it, really against it. Yes they mostly side towards the left.
Some other people enjoy it, defend it and even go watch it sometimes. Yes they mostly side towards the right.
However, most of the people may or may not support it but in reality they dont give a shit. I dont give a shit.
So no, it has nothing to do with leftists.
>>74105941
reddit: the post
>>74105578
>>74105405
>>74105280
"science gives no real knowledge"
~the least intelligent man on /pol/, while calling other people stupid by means of the time-honoured argumentational device known as "no u".
>>74105827
har du tilfeldigvis innehar en geit fjert i lomma?
>>74105827
So there is no right or wrong, but you talk about how the universe gets on just fine. What is fine is there is no good. Also, who do you insult people? According to you, there is no wrong. And why do you talk about the better people is again, there is no right or wrong? And why not destroy ourselves? After all, there is no right or wrong.
It never bothered me because it something third worlders do
>>74105092
Well you may be right- we have born psychopaths because it can be advantageous to be ruthless. However, in tribal creatures like humans, empathy can be advantageous because if you look out for your brethren, this increases the chances of them successfully mating.
>>74105827
>theres no innate right and wrong
>Religious retards need to believe their Santa Claus is watching to be good while atheists do it knowing full well that there's no reward.
>good
you just contradicted yourself there.
>>74105959
>I've always wondered if bullfighting was one of the main "cultural" representations of this country, according to foreigners.
Hemingway?
>>74103065
/thread
>>74100925
This sport is bravery, it's manhood and tradition. It's the sign of a strong society.
>>74106053
Come on, try to give me ONE example. Try to tell me what is anything. Absolutely anything.
>>74106122
>And why not destroy ourselves?
Because then you would cease to exist. Easy question. Now a rational coherent reason for not burning cats on the other hand...
>>74102482
>>The bull is drugged to be disoriented, it's not even fair.
Stop lying nao.
Also
>Libtards try to ban this sport and sudently the sport is more popular and accepted.
>>74106299
>Because then you would cease to exist. Easy question. Now a rational coherent reason for not burning cats on the other hand...
And? There is no right or wrong according to you, so ceasing to exist isn't wrong.
>>74103137
I feel exactly the same way about bugs. Glad there's someone out there who agrees with me.
>>74106299
If you believe in a soul, that's fine by me.
If you believe there is no soul, also fine by me.
But it is too specific to say "humans have souls, but not animals"- what leads you to this conclusion?
>>74106455
According to the other anon*
>>74106469
Bugs are "alive", but so are plants and rocks, in the end, sentience matters most. The more complex the brain, the more sentient the creature.
I hate to see a mouse being hurt, but a dog being hurt is worse.
>>74100925
do they really?
>>74103137
I think it's more you don't feel the same about it because a bull is bigger and much more messy when it dies.
>>74104021
Yeah I usually just lurk. But on this occasion even I must interject to say you really are a knuckle-headed chuckle fuck, and that is one of the most stupid things I have ever read.
I;m now actually wondering id you're retarded or damaged in some kind of way- your logic is arse over tit. I've encountered similar thought patterns only in brain injury patients.
>>74106705
No, I don't care how "messy" the death is, but how much pain the creature went through.
When an insect dies- it does not have the capacity to feel as much pain. Anyway, a big creatures death is not always "messy"- that really is not what bothers me.
>>74100925
This is not about left or right, this is fucking barbarian and is a fucking shame to me.
I have nothing againts "los encierros" those racings were people are runnig in front the bulls.
But the "toreo" is barbarism.
And sadly, i think we will still have this "culture" for many years more, even when the most part of population in Spain is against it.
>>74106698
yes, we do
>>74106783
People tend to call stupid to the things that they hadn't thought about. My logic just triggers a lot of people because it tells them things they don't want to hear.
>>74105827
>Empathy is what lets us exist as a society without destroying ourselves.
>And no, there is no innate "right and wrong"
Then what the fuck are you whining about? Bullfighting, if it affects Spanish society existing at all, affects it positively as it is a uniting force much like a soccer game. And if there is no right and wrong, the suffering of the bull is a moot point.
>>74106872
fuck off whiner, if it's not for you then don't ruin the fun of the many people who are for it.
>>74100925
This is savagery.
Pure degeneracy.
>>74102665
^^^^^^This. For a board that's usually stone cold and callous you guys sure are acting like a bunch of cucks in this thread.
>>74106917
they masturbate their shitty shallow philosophy and if anyone challenges it and asks them to think or for reasoning on it, they go full assrage.
popscience atheists are the worst cancer.
>>74100925
OP oblivious
>>74106917
>>74107060
>this is savagery
>coming from brazil
>>74106122
Imagine being you. Your mind a foggy bowl of so very simple thoughts. Every menial task in daily life a difficult challenge due to the positively sluggish speeds at which your synapses fire. It's more like a weak glow than a fire really - little popguns where there ought to be cannons. Attempting to place myself in your shoes and picture your knowledge of the world, I recall my own experience of being a five year old toddler. But then I remember that even at that age, I had already dismissed the religious lectures from kindergarten as completely silly, and taught myself of the universe from various scientific books.
Your level of understanding is even less than that of a child. To think you are still supposedly my equal in rights, when it is obvious that you have no place in public discourse. It is an appalling thought.
>>74107145
>I have made no argument this entire thread and just called the spanish guy retarded
>I'm so smart
Is this another reddit raid?
>>74107183
>argument has no value because he lives at X place
Fucking Americans and their retardation.
>>74107267
I doubt it is an appalling thought, since you seem to be too retarded to have thoughts.
See? Just as effective, without the filler.
>>74107267
>In this moment I am euphoric..
>>74107413
just joking bud, sorry
>>74107008
>don't ruin the fun of the many people who are for it.
The kind of people who get fun of it are sub-human tier.
They are uneducated people, white trash and the only thing they do is stain the right wing with their stupidity.
What does /pol/ think of cock fighting?
>>74107413
To be fair it's probably not a good idea to listen to say... North Korea on the subject of human rights.
>>74106283
Wich is why the PODEMOS faggots want to remove it, anon. They want the Spaniards to think that they are weaker than the Moors and thus let themselves be replaced like the Germans and English"men" are doing.
![cd280952fd2700df25f9902de6b56519adec349f[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/NS8ExW5.gif "cd280952fd2700df25f9902de6b56519adec349f[1].gif")
>>74107267
I don't even like the fedora tipper meme but holy shit, if it's not appropriate now I don't know when it will be.
>>74107358
You really think we are here to discuss bullfighting?
>>74107634
from the looks of it, you're not discussing anything, you're calling people retards.
>>74106455
There is my self-interest, even if a moral right or wrong is nonexistent. Ceasing to exist is not in my self-interest so why should I do it?
>>74106498
the qu'ran
>>74107875
If there is nothing right, nothing that can be considered good, then there is no self-interest. Because interests try to go towards what is good.
>Torturing animals for food is good
>Unless you fight them for sport first and then kill them for food then its bad
>>74107978
You said it, not I.
>>74106917
Yes, your "logic". It's definitely that.
Here's a revelation for you: When people are faced with extreme stupidity that refuses to budge, they become frustrated.
You are like a child who constantly refuses to accept that 2+2=4 because it's against his strong beliefs that 2+2=5, annoying the teachers around him to no end.
>>74107533
>>74107628
>Implying fedoras aren't comfy
>>74108076
Fair cop guvnor.
>>74107589
It's like mini trex fights
>>74107842
Actually only our opinion is useful, at the end we will decide when this shame will come to an end
And judging by who supports bullfights (old and country people) it wont last long
>>74101733
you should be banned, faggot
indeed it's islamic tier madness and cruel as fuck, but it's none of your fucking bussiness
what the heck would you think if vegans were a big enought mob to bann you from eating fucking meat?
their personal criteria applied to everyone else trought fucking guns, that's what cruelty and islamic tier really are
you fucking faggots
>>74108130
Yes, that's why you are annoying, but don't worry, I have no problem educating you
Let me give you a clue about the future
http://www.worldanimalprotection.org.au/news/poll-reveals-sharp-drop-spanish-support-bullfighting
>>74108715
Don't listen to that cuck, Spainbro. Bullfighting is a badass tradition, and I hope to see it myself in person one day.
No, don't take away the moorish sports, that's all the balls Spain still has. What are they going to entertain the muslims with when they come back? Think ahead silly leftists, yeesh!
>>74102651
If it was more like a 50/50 I'd be all for it.
But it isn't anything near a fight.
Bull fighting is absolutely retarded. They keep the bull in a cage and basically stab the fucker 30 times with these Speer things. Bull stumbles out of the cage. Some faggot with a cape and gay outfit comes out and dances around the poor beast. Stabs the thing a few times and it dies. If you've never seen it you wouldn't get it. I get that its tradition, but it's absolutely barbaric and there's no bravery or sportsmanship to it. Waste of a bull if you ask me.
>>74100925
Cucks prep the bull, redpilled men sucessfully fight and kill them.
>>74109409
I would like to see you dancing around the poor beast, when nothing has been done to it. surely the educated bull will greet you with great manners.
Are they really stabbed and drugged or does it vary from area to area?
Franco appreciation thread?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6zO-qhQx_8
>>74109033
>Back in the times of Rome, man vs lion
>No Rome, no money for lions
>btw they eat like 25kg of meat a day
>Bulls eat grass, cheap as fuck
>result: toreo
>>74102651
>it's a fight to the death between MEN and beast
FTFReality; the bull is speared, stuck with javelins, tormented and tortured, worn-down, confused, and then the little dickmongler with the cape and sword comes out and torments the worn-out, bloody, weakened bull some more before killing it.
If the bullfighter is *extremely* unlucky, the bull might get in a nonlethal but temporarily-incapacitating strike with a horn or hoof before its ignominious death.
>>74109580
Why do it at all is my point. Nobody could fight a completely healthy bull, and nobody should fight a bloody dying one. Bull riding is an honorable sport.
>>74107589
cock fighting is cool as hell but obviously cruel
are the flips still into that shit?
>>74100925
It's a rigged game.
El toreo is bullshit
>>74110088
I bet you'd let the bull ride you.
>>74110088
You can be sure that at that point the bull is still really healthy
>>74100977
It's a fight to the death between the matador and the bull. If the bull kills the matador, traditionally it is richly rewarded and never made to fight again. They cover it with flowers and let it go back to fucking cows all day. A bull that kills a matador is like Alpha+ Ultrabull, so they are highly prized.
If it were just guys torturing a bull and then killing it it would be barbarous, but the bull really has the advantage, the matadors have to train for years just to have a chance.
>>74102729
Animals taste good, though, and are full of nutrition.
/pol/ when it comes to niggers getting shot by the police:
>LOL DINDU NUFFIN
/pol/ when it comes to some unintelligent cows being killed for sport:
>Fucking savage spics, muh dignity, guess I'll side with the SJWs on this one
>>74110539
You're right, but /pol/ is not one person
>>74103688
It's similar to Belanese Cockfighting.
The roosters are treated with heavenly luxury. Good food, plenty of rest, personalized wing exercise, and they are used as studs should they be of good genetics.
One night they have a 50/50 chance of dying, with their carcasses being thrown in the dumpster afterwards.
The wranglers themselves care deeply for their roosters, but, should they die, they don't bother remembering their names (at least in some circles).
Is it brutal? Definitely. Is it better than the alternative factory farmed misery? Absolutely.
>>74104976
[Citation needed]
>>74110855
I just love watching animals fight each other.
Especially deadly insect face offs. Like centipede vs. brown spider or something like that.
>>74108884
>Spain is becoming more and more cucked with each passing generation
Yes, this is a trend we're seeing across the degenerate West.
>>74100977
Cuz meat and wallets.
>>74109678
Hitler hated Franco
>>74100925
Yeah, fuck the leftists. Muh traditions
>>74100925
You know this might be the Amateur Version of Bull Fighting? But you have to have the young guys battling the bulls to reach the perfection of Bull Fighting.
- Picadores
- Banderillros
- Matadores
- Toreros
Bravery, Courage, skill, competence, education, training, manhood... service to the empire, king, fascism...
>>74104898
There is no proof for the existence of the soul.
>>74104870
pretty impresive, based portugal
No wonder Spain and all of it's former colonies are shitholes
I've been into bullfighting since I read this manga.
Since I live close to Mexico, I'll probably catch a bullfight when I can. Hope your liberals don't ban this awesome blood sport.
What about recortadores? They are pretty based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTWET9GefYQ
>>74103500
>muh electrical signals
dude you are fucking boring
no surprise coming from the depressing shithole that is you country
>>74104870
Thi is popular?
>>74110497
>It's a fight to the death between the matador and the bull.
That is a goddamn lie.
It will be banned and there's nothing some faggots screaming "MUH TRADITION" and "JUST AN ANIMAL THOUGH" can do to stop that.
You guys love to bash SJW who feed men with feminine values, but when a based and manly culture appears hur dur muh feelings.
>>74101733
this.
if you support this and crititc Islam, you're retarded.
>>74112677
They turned into shitholes after the revolutions.
btw, they were not "colonies". That's your thing. That was legit Spanish land.
>>74101733
>"I want"
lol
>>74100925
>rightest scum have literally nothing to do but abuse animals
>>74103262
>spaniard education everybody
Consciouscness is not free will. Free will does not exist. By this definition consciousness is just an illusion for those who believe they have free will.
A better definition of consciousness is using sensory information (possibly integrated with memory) to make a decision. All three of these aspects are evident in humans, bulls, bugs, plants and even single cell organisms.
>>74113500
>muh manly culture hur dur muh feelings
>>74100925
This.
Let the spaniards have their fun
>>74114492
Not an argument
>>74100925
>implying leftists can best him in a duel
>>74113500
"based"
Most of the time, the man will just pussy out or be blessed by the bull, then the bull will just be executed you huehue.
if not kill the bull would be the best sport in the world .
>>74113500
>guy dressed like a faggot
>uses cheap tricks to confuse the bull
>has a precise thrusting weapon with insane range for the situation
>still manages to die sometimes even when the bull is up against nearly impossible odds
We shouldn't set the bar this low for manliness.
>triggered faggot on pol
get back to tumblr and make a petition with your friends
>>74113440
The truth is, as more libtards cry and protest, it will be more and more bullfighting.
Check the Toro de la Vega. It was dissapearing until some antifas and faggots go to the village to protest, and now there is thousands of people every year (and there is always some antifa beaten).
>spanish """""""sports"""""""
I'm against that retarded "sport". Hitler supported animal rights, and he wasn't a leftist.
>>74104170
but can they grasp abstract concepts or comprehend anything
>>74100925
I used to get triggered by animal abuse until I killed what I ate. Our diet is one of misery.
>>74100925
We have those here, except we don't kill the bull, the bull kills people
>>74115680
you know NSDAP have the S for social and A for Arbeiter =worker ...he was right wing because he put the nation as first and not all people on globe as the commies "do"...
>>74115555
>said the white trash who watches monkeys play around with a ball
>>74100925
I know what you mean, the circus in America ended because PETA bitched about circus animals instead of Mario tanooki suits.
>>74100925
Im a nationalist. But this shit is savagery.
>>74102473
>"only we have consciousness, animals do not this I know"
>"could you define consciousness then?"
>"you can't do that, it exists beyond measurable bounds idiot!"
then how the fuck are you supposed to know whether or not an animal has consciousness? Just telling me that you haven't seen an animal display something that you tell me is not even measurable just makes you look retarded. You can sit there and wax about how it's something that is higher than animals all day long but you're just contradicting yourself in a long-winded manner.
