Explain to me the problem with Fascism
Go ahead, I'll wait.
The only argument against it is literally
>muh feelings
>muh degenerate freedoms
There is no actual argument against it. Only fools aren't Fascists
>>74025468
Sick map cuzi. How'd you do it
The problem with fascism is we already have it and the jews run the ship.
>>74026401
>Sick map
> Austria and Germany are divided in the map.
The fourth reich ain't finished until 'Anschluss 2: No More Jewaloo' is finished.
>>74025468
>Explain to me the problem with Fascism
Historically it has never ended well for anybody
>>74025468
>Belgium still has the Verdinaso flag and not the Rexist flag
Someone fix this shit.
>>74027213
that flag is a clusterfuck
>>74025468
I-it's racist and says mean things...
The problem with fascism is that nationalism works better.
>>74027204
Because it was only tried in the 30s and 40s by a handful of countries and they were actually doing great until Republics fucked them up. Its been too raycis since then do again.
>>74025468
Freedom isn't degenerate, freedom can be used for greatness or for degeneracy just as well, it's up to you.
What I've noticed is that whatever is closest to nature and what is the most natural way for humans to live also works the best. Therefore, appeal to nature is not always a fallacy.
A small government, libertarian society with free market capitalism is the way to go. To be honest, the way to create working societies is to look into animal kingdoms. Sure they're much less intelligent but they are still very similar to us humans. The less regulation, the better off will all humans be. Smart, objectivist individuals can create their own small societies inside others and the unintelligent, lazy and vapid fucks can die in a hole all I care.
>>74025468
Explain to me the obsession with Fascism
Go ahead, I'll wait.
The only argument for it is literally
>muh feelings
>muh degeneracies
There is no actual argument for it. Only fools are Fascists
>>74025468
Power corrupts and total power corrupts totally.
>>74026895
kek but true
>>74025468
Fascism is for people too stupid to have freedom.
And most fascist organizations are absolutely degenerate, such as ONR (the one on the map in Poland).
>>74027492
Then how do we get rid of all the degenerates? Politely ask them to leave?
>germany with prussia's flag
>90% of original prussia in poland
>>74027883
Go away evil dogger
It is a severe form of bonapartism and extreme republicanism.
As a monarchist, I cannot accept any movement that rises from the people and preaches a form of equality.
Read Evola's "Fascism Viewed From The Right".
>>74026937
kek
>>74027920
Offer them certain benefits if they get themselves sterilized.
>>74025468
What even is fascism. Every definition I find ends up being "somthing like hitler's germany". Does Fascism even mean anything or is it just another buzzword for jewish mind control?
>>74028021
Based leaf
>>74027883
go away evil dogger
>>74026401
You can make something like this easily as long as you have the stock pictures. Search for "paint dot net". Its the best image editor, free, pretty easy to use.
Then you just use the wand to highlight a country, press M to make the selection usable instead of moveable, add a new layer then paste the flag in and move it to position, it cuts itself out for you.
Other useful shortcuts are F4 for making a single layer translucent, Ctrl+I to invert your selection, Ctrl+D to dis select, and Ctrl+A to select all. Also if you want to remove pixels individually you have to select pencil, set it to 'overwrite' then make it all the way transparent. It helps with cutting out stuff.
Have fun and make fashy memes goy.
>>74028214
> http://www.anesi.com/Fascism-TheUltimateDefinition.htm
If you don't bother to dig deep enough, you shall never receive answers.
>>74027920
By cutting off all welfare and social services, the degenerates will rid themselves.
Non-degenerate people can decide for themselves if they want degenerates in their neighborhoods or places, if they don't, they can happily fill the degenerates who break in with bullets if they want to.
>cares about degenerates
Fuck off
It tends to lead the nation into self destruction
A lack of separation of power innevitably leads to overeach which is at high risk of leading to disaster.
If there could be some sort of qausi fascist state where the separation of powers remained intact, this might solve the issue. You could have something along the lines of a constitution which enshrines certain fascistic ideals, yet without concentrating poower in the hands of a dictator.
>>74025468
>Only fools aren't Fascists
Unfortunately, you couldn't be more wrong. The only Fascists left are fools.
That's not to say that there's anything wrong with Fascism, because as far as I'm concerned, it's the only thing capable of saving the West & is a great alternative to Socialism and Capitalism.
That being said, let's look at who identifies as a "Fascist" these days, it's certainly not people who have read Mosley, D'Annunzio, Giovanni Gentile, or any of the others. Most of them wouldn't understand the concept of Futurism at all.
Fascists nowadays are just Naziboo trash who are under the impression that Hitler's Germany was just a racially conscious libertarian paradise.
The ones that don't fall into the above category make the fatal mistake of assuming that Fascism is a "Plug and Play" ideology. They make the fatal assumption that, in America for instance, we can take the model of the Third Reich, or Fascist Italy, and successfully copy it here. They are completely oblivious to the fact that Fascism is a seed, which can grow into a number of different things, depending upon the soil in which it is planted.
Fascists need to move beyond Fascism. Mosley made it clear, following WWII, that the age of Fascism & National Socialism had passed. He described neo-Nazis as being "political pygmies masquerading in the clothes of dead giants."
Do we have to abandon Fascism entirely? No. However, we need to do some renovations. The first, and most obvious step, is to completely drop the SS LARPers; those types of people do nothing but harm.
1/2
>>74028572
2/2
Second of all, we have to understand that Fascism was intended to combat the struggles of the 20th Century, not the 21st. Certain things need to be reevaluated (The value of autarky, the question of Race vs. Nationality (ie, the German approach, or the Italian approach), the stance on foreign policy, etc. Fascism was proposed as an alternative in a world stuck between the weak, but abusive Capitalism, and oppressive, nation-wrecking Communism. It can still serve as a template, but the world has moved to mixed-market economies, we're struggling against globalism, & we face new threats (such as Islamic terrorism)
Beyond a reevaluation of Fascism itself, Fascists need to stop being Fascists; start to rebrand. Have you noticed how, despite the modern left being heavily influenced by Marxism, there aren't a lot of Communists these days? In America, we don't even see many socialists (Bernie Sanders is the exception to this rule). The ideology is still in place, the advocates of those ideologies have just rebranded, for the most part.
The "Communists" in the modern, Western world are old holdouts, or young, unwashed College kids (Not SJWs, not even they want to associate with Communists). Fascist holdouts are dead, our "Young, unwashed College kids," are neo-Nazis.
Pick a new label, just like the Marxists did. They're hiding behind the labels of "progressive" or, at worst, "Democratic Socialist"/"Social Democrat."
It's one of their smarter moves. The average person isn't going to take a "Communist" seriously, but they might listen to a progressive.
Fascism is an accurate label, but it's become a political curse word. It is far too late to reverse that trend, so drop it, and pick a new name. You don't have to name drop Mussolini, Codreanu, Primo de Rivera, or Mosley to advocate their principles.
>>74027883
Go away evil dogger
>>74028432
>>74025468
>All that reading
That's the problem with Fascism.
>>74025468
It failed multiple times during the XXth century.
>>74028021
>As a monarchist
Good goy
A FUCKING FLAME
>>74028439
>Non-degenerate people can decide for themselves if they want degenerates in their neighborhoods or places
Someone has never been poor and living on his own.
Degeneration will never stop, but those people are to be confined and used for the good of everyone else, much like in the chaste system in India before the colonization. The pariah, the lowest form of human being, even lower than the slave or the commoner, was a warning for all those who decided to defy the hierarchy, both ways.
I would like to also add that fascism and national socialism bore no respects to the previous power system, with the great exception of Léon Degrelle: they were fervent socialists, both Gentile and Mussolini, and Adolf Hitler was a staunch republican (in a republic/monarchy opposition sense).
The nationalism, the ethnic cleansings within Europe (such as north east italy, perpetrated by the italian nationalists which converged in the fascist party), the total nature of every single policy of those ideologies... all these things are extremely non-european and alien to our beautiful, millenary, rock-solid culture. That kind of behaviour belongs to the south of the world, where life has such little value that wiping out a neighbouring tribe is no big deal.
>>74027883
Go away evil dogger
>>74027883
Go away evil dogger
>>74028439
But in countries with no social services they just get a lot of children to provide for them. They are not going to go away.
They will do low work or turn to crime and while you might say
>well, everyone is armed and can defend themselves in my libertarian world
there would still be a lot of crime going on that could not be prevented. Social security is a good way to keep poor people from rioting or turning to criminal activities. There only needs to be a way to make sure those people can't procreate.
>>74027883
go away evil dogger
>>74028700
Essentially in fascism you have a lawful authoritarian state under ethnic nationalism that rules an entrepreneurial, racially collective traditionalist population that has property rights and the state intervenes on corporatism if it effects the people or economy negatively. It also has its own bank and opposes internationalism.
So essentially an aristocratic state subjugates corporations for the good of the country.
>>74028831
>Good goy
I suggest you read "The Fez And The Kippah" by Andrea Giacobazzi.
Before ethnic laws made it impossible, two thirds of italian jews were members of the PNF, the national fascist party.
After the racial laws, they were still on the fascists' side, yet not openly.
A monarchic, organic and hierarchycal society works for everyone and assigns to each its own place. No one is a menace as every single person has a otherworldly duty and boundary.
Such a feature is unique to traditional societies, of which fascist communities or states are not a part.
>>74028439
>>74028157
Or we could just fire up the ovens, no need to make it complicated.
>>74029354
OOSH
>>74029354
Giving the state the power to kill it's own citizens is not a very smart idea, if you are a citizen.
>>74025468
> freedoms
> not an argument
Holy shit, you're just as stupid as the authoritarian liberals.
>>74027883
Go away evil dogger
>>74027883
Go away evil dogger
>>74027883
Go away evil dogger
>>74029545
You have to, otherwise we have to wait for lynch mobs to do it and they're terribly inefficient.
>>74029707
Exactly, the situation in Europe is, Us vs Them, and it will most definitely be them.
>>74029807
I can imagine at the tipping point, if we can't get rid of the Jews, Marxists and traitorous government, the military will defect to balkanised white regions. That is, in the case that there's a full on armed chimpout.
>>74029707
If you refer to the rapefugees: If we would not give them any handouts they would leave tomorrow. Look at all those countries who don't. They don't have any problems whatsoever.
only poorly educated or highly stupid individuals glorify fascism, so many books were written about topic yet delusional stormfags still masturbate to vision of third reich
seriously, like google "books about fascism". just do it, read a few thomes, and then try to not kill yourself when you realize how clueless you were
>>74025468
>our fascism was fucking forcibly destroyed (1946)
>everyone who was aginst the commies was killed (and his family)
>fuck this world
>>74028921
Then they can get as many children as they want, what's the problem? The main point is that unless they fuck up the lives of non-generate, succesful people they can do whatever the fuck they want.
>there would still be a lot of crime going on that could not be prevented
Look pal, niggers and other shitskins will commit crime regardless, we prevent what we can and that's it.
>social security is a good way to keep poor people from rioting or turning to criminal activities
No, with a free market anyone can find at least reasonably well-paying work and provide for themselves, and move out of their degenerate ghettos if they so choose. They can riot in their own ghettos if they want to, it's up to their own police force to choose whether it's okay or not okay. If they try to riot in a more stable enviroment, then they can expect bullets.
They can procreate as much as they want to, as it has no effect outside of their breeding grounds. If it ultimately leads to mass starvation and death for them, good riddance, I don't care.
>>74025468
>unironically being an authoritarian
I can't stop laughing.
>>74030204
Not entirely, the rapefugees would, not all of them though, some would stay for the underground work wages, access to consumer goods and access to ficki ficki with blonde infidels.
In the case of negroes they would certainly not go back to Africa. Somalia literally doesn't have a government. Whites live in a high trust society, as long as anti-racism and white guilt exists they will get jobs. As long as the Jew banks bleed our countries we're still under their thumb. As long as the Jews control the media they'll encourage our population to mongrelise themselves with negroes because its 'cool'. As long as our freedom to collectivise as a race is thwarted by emotional handcuffs like 'racist', 'fascist' we're in dire trouble. They all have to go back, and simple solutions like "stop the gibs" are a tiny part of the solution.
The only OOSHTBHFAM solution is killing or deporting them, all of them, the Jews included and becoming nativist, nationalist, authoritarian too just to undo the damage of the kike media.
Because it gives a potential faggot full and complete power, or at least far to much dependent on the extreme. Also war is undoubtedly evil, that is incontestable.
>>74025468
because a few shouldn't decide what everyone else does.
>>74027883
go away evil dogger
>>74028700
Fascism is for ultra faggots that need the state to tell them to be just and have strong ethical values.
Nationalism =/= Fascism.
>>74028871
Well this is just a matter of opinion. You want to use slavery, I'd give them opportunity to become succesful if they want to.
>>74028214
a militaristic, nationalistic, system that enforces conformity and completely suppresses individual freedoms.
>>74027883
Go away evil dogger
>>74030722
Nationalism is usually an aspect of Fascism, right?
>>74027883
Go away evil dogger.
>>74030636
>liberturdian thinks freedom comes from individualism and democracy
Look around you cuck, you're surrounded by a howling mob who are happy to watch their race be besmirched and their culture become sickly, but would throw you into a spike pit if they could would they deem you "racist".
>>74025468
It doesnt matter what your form of goverment is, as long as its free of jewish influence your people will prosper.
>>74025468
whats mexico doing in there?
>>74027883
go away evil dogger
>>74030722
>he trusts other people with his in group's morals
Top fucking kek. Submission to the lawful authority of your in group is the essence of being a white man. Its everything great our culture built. Personal freedoms don't need to sweep across everything. Even Hitler tolerated known closet faggots in his SA like Rohm until the faggots started to band together and get cliquish.
>>74025468
What a fucking edgelord
Here's an argument against it you should take seriously:
If there was a fascist government you'd go off to the chambers for being a limp-wristed spotty autist who's weak and would provide nothing to society.
>>74030543
But what is keeping them in their places? They will live in ghettos, yes, but they will go to other parts of town to beg, steal and be a general nuisance for everyone else. They have an effect on other people (even if it is as little as the cost of the increased numbers of cops), and there should be policies in place to reduce their population size or at least keep them from growing.
>>74030681
Cutting the handouts will be enough for most of them to leave, as long as they have other options to leech from. Those that stay will have to be deported and those that can not get deported for whatever reason should be strongly incentivized to get a sterilization. This will cause their numbers to go down over time, combined with a strong border protection this could solve the problem without any death sqauds and totalitarian measures.
>>74031231
Nice meme, but that's a shit argument that has no basis in reality.
I used to value freedom and believed that everybody deserves to say what they want until I realized that not everybody has earned their freedoms. Many don't deserve them. You'd let the degenerate faggots have parades on the same streets you use to honour your fallen? Give them the freedom to fail and drag others down with them? There is a standard, mommy and daddy were right when they told you not to be a fool.
>>74028603
Fucking love iron gaurd cordeanu,what name do you reccomend and does nationalism still an okay word to use?
>>74031231
That's some shitpost Achmed, how did you manage to get 3 whole sentences out without applying something other that strawman? Also don't forget to screencap your (you) for /r/liberal you cuckhold faggot.
>>74025468
>Explain to me the problem with Fascism
I can't.
W IL DUCE
>>74031205
Enjoy being led by Kikes.
>Hurr Durr we are going to outsmart them.
You can't EVER consolidate power into one government. Thats how you get fucked over in every way imaginable-- well at least eventually.
>>74030895
Sure. But the state is telling you to love it. Its circular.
Nationalism doesn't need the rule of law to back it. Its intrinsic.
>>74028851
MEME
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>>74031406
>strongly incentivized to get a sterilization
Nice idea, I used to be a fan of the sterilisation plan myself. I think it should definitely be applied to Africa, using bags of rice as an incentive (providing we cut their foreign aid) in exchange for their vasectomies and having their tubes tied. Its the only humane way to treat Africa to be frank.
But lets face it, even if those 3 million did arrive by 2017, a white organised collective could deport every non-white and hybrid mongrel in a matter of a few months. Every 1/4 negro living in every obscure village in rural Sweden could be gone in less than half a year, just by forced deportation with just the co-operation of 10-20% of the population would completely turn the tables. 10-20%, arguing against the joke that is anti-racism would absolutely trounce the current Jewish narrative.
Here's a good Andrew Anglin speech to listen to, if you haven't already
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_4_XE2hQwc
>>74031516
I'd say that Nationalism is an okay term, though (In America at least), there should be an attempt to synonymize it with "Patriotism."
As far as my personal taste goes, I'm currently in favor of "Right-Wing Populist."
It's really a meaningless term, but it's not threatening, and offers a few significant advantages.
First of all, it seems to be the term that the mainstream has adopted for the new Far-Right. However, despite that, it's too broad to serve as a loaded term.
Right-Wing Populist can be used to describe everything from Ross Perot to the Golden Dawn. There's a Bastiat quote that talks about just how hard it is to nail down what "Socialism is," because Socialism itself is a somewhat broad term, and Socialists avoided making any declarations.
Personally, and I might just be too autistic about this, I'm in favor of playing the Left's word game. They currently have a monopoly on language, so it's time we started to take things from their playbook.
"Right-Wing Populism" is broad enough to shield from serving as an insult, and it offers plenty of flexibility.
Beyond that, in America at least, I'd say we should try to appropriate the term Paleoconservative, which, again, is nonthreatening.
>>74031406
> this could solve the problem without any death sqauds and totalitarian measures.
> without any death sqauds and totalitarian measures.
Way to take all the fun out of it Hans.
>>74031920
Funny that authoritarian states kept Europe pure, rich and close to nature for thousands of years. Funny that Jews were behind democratisation. Funny that Jews own the media. Funny that the aristocracies of old hated the Jews. Funny that democratic societies love Jews. Funny that authoritarian states in the past that were seen as not serving the people were crushed by popular uprisings but social democracy keeps everyone, the army, the people complacent just enough to hate populism and insurrections. Use your head for once liberturdian, you don't need all those rights to shit all over your boyfriend's chest then toss his salad, just close the curtain for once.
>>74027636
You didnt gave an argument...
Based man.
>pic related
>>74027907
Just a pole bitch like you can say that
>>74032032
I guess in the case of a clear ingroup and outgroup such measures could be applied without making way for a totalitarian regime, if they are strictly kept in check.
But there are also other degenerates, and if you start applying the same measures against your own citizens, things will inevitably turn nasty. In these cases I guess the sterelization plan is mich more promising.
>>74027883
Go away evil dogger
>>74027907
fascism guarantee freedom and independence to nations and peoples.
>>74027907
>Fascism is for people too stupid to have freedom.
You mean 90% of the population? Well, at least you've found a way to feel superior to everyone, pro-tip, you're part of the 90% :^)
>>74027883
Go away evil dogger.
>>74032451
>>74027883
Go away evil dogger
>>74025468
So fascism in America would mean going to first fat person you see pat his back and tell him how glorious his body got because of all those USA produced burgers and how great he is just for being American.
>>74031406
In my imaginary libertarian society, localization would be the cornerstone of all law and order. Districts/boroughs of cities can have their own set of laws and policies, even leftist ones like welfare and social security if they choose to have them. The only restrictions to these laws would be along the lines of freedom of movement, no one can keep another captive. Also, use of violence within reason, no assaulting without aggravating. The very small government would provide a police force, and the districts can use their share of the force however they want to. Obviously, the officers working in there would be notified of their own laws and can decline participating in policing in that area if they choose so.
So, if human scum becomes too prevalent, they can set laws so you can, for example, shoot a person for begging or loitering and so on. These laws and policies would then be released out in the open, so people know what to expect when they cross borders.
To prevent a district/city/state from becoming hostile to other mentioned places, the government would keep tabs on all of them, and making sure that if all hell breaks loose in one of them, the army would protect the nearby semi-autonomous areas and demolish anti-*insert country here* ideologies.
>>74032514
The measures would be fine as long as the population is fine with them. Dead faggots, why not? Dead gypsies? Sure. Dead mulattoes? Yes. Dead Poles? Eh, why not just tell them to go back to Poland, tell them there are German drug addicts that will be rehabilitated with forced toilet cleaning and their services are no longer needed.
I mean the sterilisation is also dangerous, what if the government went crazy then castrated all the natives? It wouldn't happen because the state, in this scenario would care about its population, fearing a coup. As the opposite of democracy, the goal of fascism is fast change and upholding basic, dialectic reasoning, tradition. People react to sudden change, like a frog straight to boiling water, but democracy is so dangerous because its a slow boil.
>>74032097
Do you have a blog?
Write more.
>>74032351
Except for the more absolute of monarchs, those "Authoritarians" were more or less limited by estates. The more power you gave to a monarch the more likely that one bad monarch can turn everything to shit.
Its funny how you say they kept Europe "Pure".
-The Papal State did an absolutely horrid job, and degenerated Christianity.
-Muslims were literally nearly *in* Rome and Vienna.
-Most Rulers couldn't even be bothered to support anyone against the invading hordes.
Hell had the mongols kept going west they would have very likely steam rolled up into central Europe.
Honestly its funny how you have a disdain for democracy and republics even though its existed for just as long as Feudal Monarchs have. Literally most of White "Domination" has been in the past 200 years.
So yea, objectively you are wrong.
>>74033004
>Dead faggots, why not? Dead gypsies? Sure. Dead mulattoes? Yes. Dead Poles?
Mussolini supported none of these. Stop supporting German perversion of fascism.
>>74032912
And adding:
Obviously if a district finds their regulated share of the force as too small, they can hire more officers from the state or from a private contractor.
>>74032912
And adding:
Obviously if a district finds their regulated share of the force as too small, they can hire more officers from the state given that they can afford it or from a private contractor.
>>74032912
It sounds like a system similar to federalism but mixed with minarchism. It also sounds like a system ripe for Jewish infiltration and like a microcosm of globalisation.
Why not just fascism?
Under your system do you want some part of Finland, some beautiful natural mountains with strong ethnic spiritual meaning to go to the fisting guys or the fucking guys?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE9JlONzrVU
>>74033265
>>74033302
Fuck, sorry for double post, captcha is acting like a retard
>>74027883
Go away evil dogger.
>>74027883
Go away evil dogger
>>74027883
go away evil dogger.
>>74033172
Nope, look at your evidence, look at my reasoning. One of these things is not like the other one not like the other one not like the other one. If Europe was liberturdian the whole continent would either be fascist and barely surviving or brown by now. Regular people will just do nothing unless the few smart enough to use actual dialectic reasoning and overcome emotion don't lead them.
Europe hasn't been perfect, but the perfect is the enemy of the good. Look at the other races and what they have going on. They're shit and because of the individualism you advocate, the system that allows such infiltration of Jewish power to happen you advocate, regular European people are truly believing they should mix with these lesser races because niggers can shoot hoop and Moslems are poor.
>>74033147
I wouldn't be a good blogger; I only post constructively on /pol/ a couple times a year tbqh.
>>74033727
Well then go on therightstuff.biz or dailystormer.com and write 2 quality articles a year on there. You're not a bad writer, and your effort doesn't disappear in 1 hour.
>>74033318
Also, one central theme would be a completely transparent government which would report suspicious activity in the free market, then people can then choose to believe what they want to. The whole idea for the government would be to regulate as little as possible, but also strongly supporting honesty and personal liberties. If autonomous areas want to "surrender to the false song of globalism" then they can do so.
However when it comes to Finland, I'd keep immigration to a minimum and border control at maximum security.
>>74032912
The problem is see with many libertarians is that they are way to dogmatic. Just like communists you just follow the principles of your ideology, no matter if the result in the real world would be favourable or not.
You know that more poor low IQ people will mean more trouble for the rest of society. You can introduce the death penatly for all kinds of stuff like begging or maybe stealing. But first of all this is a very tyrannical thing to do, because the state is violating the rights of the citizens disproportionatly. And secondly this will not change the root of the problem. They would simply start trying to sell you cheap roses and stuff like this instead of directly begging, like they already do over here, for example. As long as these peoplr exist they will try to survive, no matter the consequences for the rest of society.
Just take a look at what the poor people in really fucked up countries with no social security systems and draconian police forces pull off and you won't be able to deny that simply stopping to feed them will not benefit society. They will face the choice of starvation or doing what they have to do to get by. And this has an impact on the rest of society.
>>74027907
What is exactly wrong with the ONR?
Seem pretty based to me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Revival_of_Poland
>>74033727
>>74033858
This. Just contribute as a freelancer and see where it takes you.
>>74033869
>I'd keep immigration to a minimum and border control at maximum security.
Exactly. And while you're at it why not put all open homos in camps? Why not keep the culture and national character of Finland unassailable and traditional? Why not provide a place where all Finnish people can, and are encouraged by their in group to follow their own nature, to find a partner and have children and raise children in their image and way of life? Why not have all men be encouraged to be men, all women be encouraged to be women and all others to be either made to strive or become outcasts? Why not cast out any chance for foreign infiltration with a cast iron constitution, a magna carta but for keeping the Jews out. A charter but for the nature of man to be respected and never degraded?
Again, why not fascism? There's no need for all this complicated transparency. Occam's razor and all that jazz.
>>74025468
shouldn't france be this?
>>74025468
Fascism is not a coherent ideology
>>74027883
Go away evil dogger.
>>74033894
The state wouldn't do shit. The state would only impose very little laws like I mentioned (freedom of movement as in no slavery, violence withing reason) autonomous areas could make laws that you need to suck the cocks of beggars or that you can shoot them as soon as they start to beg, it's all up to them.
If they try to snivel and use loopholes, then the district governors can fill in those loopholes. Again, it's all up to them. If worse comes to worst, they can even BUILD WALL with hired, armed guards if they want to. Low IQ people would only mean trouble if districts let them be a trouble.
>>74034312
What do you mean?
>>74027883
Go away evil dogger
>>74034245
No fascim, because authoritarianism crushes the human spirit.
Less regulation, more individualist and localized policies and we all would be better off.
>>74033690
China is arguably the most collectivist society in existence. It has been for thousands of years. Currents Its communist shitfest.
Sure they dont have "Ebil Kikes" but they are still massively behind and the government is Shit.
Yea lets be honest. Most people are absolutely retarded and need a figure to be led by. But the solution is NOT Fascism, Communism or anything of the sort. Its not democracy either.
Its communalism, decentralization, a confederacy or coalition of sorts.
Limit the amount of power the Kikes can take. Let each community have Autonomy. In short a State or City State will be led by the most capable.
The Coalition will provide national security and limit immigration as perhaps movement within coalition members. Even Nationalism is still possible. Most Coalition members would love to be able to expand their sphere of influence.
>>74034506
He's right, fampai.
Fascism really doesn't mean anything at this point; as a movement its major players were smothered in the cradle. Its offshoots have numerous incompatible concepts so much so that to define fascism usually requires a confession on the part of those being defined.
>>74034312
Go back to plebbit with your gay imperative statements.
>hey hey, ho ho, racism has got to go
>smash the hetero-normative patriarchy
>kill all white men
>fascism is not coherent
Always the same old basic bitch shit from you bern victims. What do you know about fascism? That your teacher with the strong roman nose told you you're evil racist bigoted cis-scum if you learn anything about it other than "it ebil, it kill 6 billion chosen"? That burn you have is the herps you got off that faggot that fucked you last night, better call your faggot police.
>>74034712
>He's right, fampai.
About what? I don't understand what he's trying to say.
>>74027204
And capitalism & communism has?
At least with fascism there is a fight before the ending.
>>74034783
Fascism wasn't a unified movement.
Hitler, Mussolini and the other players rarely agreed on anything.
>>74034433
These
>autonomous areas
sound pretty much like states to me, with more power. How are they not part of the state?
>>74034783
Fascism is not a coherent ideology. To define fascism without a direct link to a claim to be fascist is next to impossible.
>>74027492
>Lolbertarian backing his ideology by saying that animals are literally Lolbertarians
Kek the difference between humans and animals is that humans created the glorious state, bringer of life
>>74032873
...wat? clarify you gypsy.
>>74034552
>authoritarianism
Authoritarianism is just the manifest will of the people, being administered in an unassailable form to prevent the human spirit from being degraded by unnatural ideas. You still can have personal freedom, freedom to criticise the government, you can have property, land, it can be protected by charters and constitutions. The state can be kept small, and crucially, an authority under fascism can prevent a plutocracy from forming by preventing any corporations become monopolies and influencing government policy. That's where your freedom would end up, you'd end up with a government of Jews, fed off money all living in one state of your free country, and using their government powers to make everyone else feed them while they 'sit like effendi and eat'.
>>74034914
Ah, okay. Yeah, you should specify a type.
Though Iberian and Italian fascism are closer to each other than German and Italian (Pre-1938).
>>74034984
But certain things are inherently fascist. But yes, there is no true definition as they vary on key issues.
>>74027883
Go away evil dogger.
>>74034921
By state I mean the government. The government would only impose minimal laws and the rest would be up to these "states" or whatever you want to call them.
>>74033858
>>74034013
I've considered doing things like that from time to time (Though I'm probably a touch too moderate for DS), but I've never gotten around to it.
Thanks though, anons, I might actually try it, provided I can find something worthwhile to write about.
>>74026401
That map would engulf itself in war in a matter of weeks.
>>74034659
That's very well and good and I don't hate your idea or especially oppose it as an ideal. But look at our white nations right now? We need a fascism to take them back. If we got your decentralisation it would only slow the tide not stem it, and it would be too late because everybody would be too busy being communal to prevent their own mongrelisation. And when we're a mass of the impure, the kikes will have had their dream to kill and capitulate all the beauty in the world.
>>74034552
>...authoritarianism crushes the human spirit.
wat?
>Less regulation... and localized policies...
to what end?
>>74033147
>>74033727
I second this, very interesing and well written.
Especially interested in the Language aspect. Any book recommendations? If you think it's bad in the US, its 10 times worse in Germany. We dont have single 'conservative' media entity with significant reach.
Whatever the green-left media & politics cartel makes up becomes reality. Now that some people are finally understanding what's going on, they have to retort to (more) censorship and intimidation.
The Jews really have created a fascist paradise for themselves. Admirable.
>>74035253
You should listen to the podcasts with Andrew Anglin on, just search his name on DS. Also listen to some of The Daily Shoah or Fash the Nation, you might come around, you might not, but its worth a listen anyway for a moderate. If you sit on the fence too long you end up dying with a fence post up the butt and nobody wants to see that.
>>74028021
monarchist are stupid, you are stupid, fascism rocks.
>>74035287
>>74035287
Im a mullatoe, kek.
The Kikes let to my conception, but by the will of God Ill show them.
>>74028021
you are totally stupid.
>>74035297
>to what end?
Government would only impose:
No slavery
Non-aggression principle, however the autonomous areas choose their own definition of aggression, but nothing too radical (cba to come up with a detailed set of rules)
Go away evil dogger
>>74034312
who says it? the commies? the capitalist?
>>74035411
I can tell you a few good books that are worth a read if you like. Skorzeny's Commando book, Léon Degrelle's book, Mein Kampf, The Jews and their Lies (more a pamphlet), ‘The Traditions of the Jews’ by Joseph Eisenmenger, Schlopenhauer, Kant, Nietzsche, http://bloodpassover.com/, Plato's Republic. And of course Evola Evola Evola
>>74025468
I like fascism but i prefer nationalism, i consider myself a nationalist. I respect the fuhrer, holohoax never happen.
>the only problem with fascism...and i stress the only problem.... is the quality of the leader and the ability and integrity to do what is in the best interest of his/her people....too much power generally corrupts even the most noble but fascism deserves another chance...but only with the right leader.....Trump 2016.
>>74035605
Unlucky m8. You were so close. On the plus side pretty much even if God Emperor Trump does turn out to be Hitler's manifest dark side I doubt he's slaughter mulattoes, just boat you back to Africa. In the land of the nigger, the half-nigger is king.
>>74025468
>walloons and flems not separate
disgusting, the rexist movement was bigger and more LOYAL than the Flemish movement anyway
Based degrelle
>>74036110
Sup Argentina, there's a pretty good black metal band from your country that does Burzum style Absurd covers, called VII Batallón de la Meurte.
>>74036078
Would add to this Judaism's Strange Gods (Hoffmann), Jewish History-Jewish Religion (Shahak), Culture of Critique (MacDonald) and The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit.
If nothing else then Culture of Critique because it explains academia and media.
>>74035411
>>74036078
Oh and I add get the old version of Skorzeny's book, there's a new one that is 'abridged' by a Jew and has a foreword by a Jew journalist. The good one in English is this one
http://www.amazon.com/My-Commando-Operations-Schiffer-Hobbyists/dp/0887407188/
Though presumably you can read the German original.
>>74036431
>VII Batallón de la Meurte
Oh i didn't know about it, thanks for the info.
>>74036501
All great choices. I haven't heard Judaism's Strange Gods before, does it explain Kaballah at all?
>>74036216
Muh dik.
Trump wont do shit. Hes a Jew loving """right wing""".
>>74036753
Don't lie to me, Trump is only using the Juden's tricks against them. David Duke will be his VP and the power of gas and ovens will finally be put to the test ;_;
>>74027883
Go away evil dogger
>>74035463
I've listened to a bit of Anglin before, there are some things I agree with, some I don't. My biggest criticism is of his approach.
Both ideologically and policy-wise, I lean more to the moderate end of the extreme, but I understand wanting to ensure that a movement actually stays consistent and isn't diluted too much. So I get where guys like Anglin, or those behind FtN are coming from. I just don't see the sales pitch being very effective.
George Lincoln Rockwell tried it in the 60s. I like Rockwell, he was informed, intelligent and consistently cited verifiable facts, but he was wildly unsuccessful. His thinking, which is still around, is that if you call yourself a "Nazi" or "National Socialist," you're taking away a cudgel from your opponents.
GLR was wildly unsuccessful though. I believe the FBI documents on him, and the American Nazi Party listed the movement as consisting of about 300+ members at its peak.
I realize that things are bad right now, but if Rockwell couldn't pull off the pitch back when the USSR seemed to have broken the resolve of the American public, and racial tensions were at an all-time high during the Civil Rights movement, why would it be successful now?
I don't want to "punch to the right" so to speak, but (along with being more aligned ideologically) I honestly see the approach of guys like Jared Taylor being more persuasive to disaffected whites.
That being said, I'm not a fence-sitter. I just find myself being a milquetoast extremist, as paradoxical as that sounds. Plus, there's the unfortunate reality that in democratic societies, ideological battles come down, not to argumentation, but to who can wage the better PR campaign.
>>74035411
I've been digging through what I have, but I can't find anything that dwells heavily on the Left's monopoly of language. I'll get back to you if/when I find something, but I'd suggest searching for it. I'm certain it's been brought up before.
>>74036869
Im so sorry.
>>74035411
(2/2)
This situation in continental Europe especially is terrible. At this point, from what I can tell judging by attitudes, things are going to have to get worse before they get better.
Granted, that shouldn't take terribly long given the realities of demography.
As far as book suggestions in general, I'd recommend the following:
>For My Legionaries
>Anything written by Mosley
>Leviathan
>A Short History of Decay
>The Death of the West (Or anything else written by Buchanan)
>The Origins and Doctrine of Fascism
>Anything by Peter Hitchens (I enjoyed the Abolition of Britain)
>Anything by G.K. Chesterton (I'd recommend "Heretics")
>Reflections on Violence (Georges Sorel)
>The Decline of the West
>>74025468
Essentially it has all the problems of communism, the economic calculation problem, the fact that individuals see no benefit when a society is collectivist so individuals cease putting any effort in, the fact that in totalitarian systems most people are worrying about not pissing off people rather than worrying about innovating..........It's why Franco's Spain was left behind and eventually Spain became democratic and free market. As a system fascism pretty degenerate. Nothing great comes of it.
>>74027883
Go away evil dogger
>>74037233
Fucking hell m8 write some articles you right well, even if its just advice on rhetoric and how best to use it to bring people to our side which seems to be your concern. I like Anglin because of his use of humour. I laughed my head off when a Jew journalist from the Washington Post asked him by phone what he identifies with and he said "a neo-Nazi white supremacist" and the Jew hung up and left that out of the article. Anglin openly admits his site is meant to be naughty and to attract young people, and its numbers are good, 60,000 repeat visitors a month so that's not from liberals following gawker links either.
I really do reckon these words like racist and fascist are losing steam. The internet has not only opened up our eyes but oversaturated us with reality. The media says white supremacists are running around claw hammering innocent brown children, the internet shows story after story of blacks raping children and getting in many cases no prison time at all, and these things are ripe for social media sharing.
Oh and btw a good book you could've recommended him is Mediocracy by Fabian Tassano, he pulls apart PC culture, thought police, pop culture's ugliness and cultural Marxist infiltration of academia pretty well.
>>74027883
go away evil doger
>>74027883
Go away evil dogger
>>74027883
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>>74037697
I much fear the slow death more than even an all out race war which probably won't happen. Nothing would be more damaging that our learned complacency and blind faith in individualism causing European populations to become mongrelised through miscegenation.
I'd rather be the frog tossed into boiling water than the one set in cold over a lit hob wouldn't you?
>>74025468
Why is Finland a man clubbing a bear?
>>74027883
go away evil dogger
>>74038020
"Mediocracy" is on my "To-Read" list but I haven't gotten around to it yet.
I get Anglin's humorous angle, and understand that he's been pretty successful with younger people, but a movement can't be built entirely around that. Just look at Bernie Sanders.
He has his uses, but he's not one I'd be tempted to use as a "figurehead" for racial consciousness.
I agree that the words "racist" and "fascist" are losing steam, but I'm not convinced that they've lost enough to be 'embraced.'
The internet has been great at showing the public reality, or at least, ensuring that reality is available.
That being said, there are a couple of things I'm noticing. Despite more and more on the Right rolling their eyes at the cries of "Racist!" some seem to snap right back to their old positions when you cross from "Western chauvinism" into "White identity."
>>74038448
Oh, a slow death is much worse. It's much harder to mobilize the public against as well. Unfortunately, I don't think that we have much of a say in the pace of things.
We can convert people, but it's a slow game. The only things that might shift public opinion are entirely out of our control.
Economic disaster, for example, might uncuck even Sweden. The stage is certainly set there for massive backlash, with a proper catalyst. The most telling thing is that their Male to female Ratio is skewed 123:100 (China's was 117:100, when they dropped the one child policy).
A terror attack involving chemical weapons or a dirty bomb would also "radicalize" the public in a good way.
Unfortunately, barring disasters completely out of control, the only thing we can do, that I see at least, is a multi-pronged approach of formal argumentation and shitposting.
I have to go, but thanks for the comments. I might take some time later on to actually pen something worthwhile. If nothing else, the rest was an interesting conversation.
Here's to hoping our enemies do most of our work for us.
>>74039874
Mediocracy is a funny book, really you don't have to read all of it just what titles catch your eye. On the off chance you read this I get you, Anglin's not a figurehead, but crucially he doesn't want to be, is position is so counter to the mainstream humour he's got a very solid niche and he never punches to the right. You'd think someone so blunt would upset the likes of David Duke but he doesn't. I imagine he'd upset William Luther Pierce though, but then again who didn't? I know Jared Taylor doesn't like him, Richard Spencer doesn't mind him at all though and if you look at the links page of Jared's amren.com there are plenty of very 'extreme' sites some that even Anglin would find pretty lame and dead in the water with their over the top racialism. I think the right has for the most part stopped bashing each other, the only infighting I see is Colin Liddell dislikes Anglin, RamZPaul is acting kinda cucked with all his controlled opposition hunting and the odd degenerate gets involved to try and curtail the movement.
I suppose we're part of a pendulum swing, we've got to know our place like our ancestors did, we want to go full "white identity" like you say but its our position right now to be shitlords as far as the Overton window will take up.
Internet is definitely a Godsend, I shudder to think the amount of good nationalists and traditionalists who would be doing Jaeger in some dingy bar listening to hip hop if it were just up to the MSM. In Britain we have National Action going full Rockwell like you said and they have I think 100 members after 3 years of lots of media attention so I agree, we need a strong position based on simple principles nothing vague enough to become a flag waving gaggle of bitter rebels.
>>74039874
You'll hate this comparison but your second part almost seemed a bit Camus-esque, finding yourself in the grips of helplessness and yet finding a reason to go on regardless, almost like something in (some) human's spirit does just adore the process (like Sisyphus did) of being worldly even if it causes despair. I guess we're not quite leaves in the wind, more like moths in a gale waiting for a gap in a gust and keeping in flight.
Personally I'm better at converting people than I was, I read Weev's R.A.C.E. system and while Weev is slightly insane I agree with him in part, that we have to desensitise people, say the things people feel but dare not say and motivate people with love and positivity not a reaction to the ugliness of these other races encroaching us. At the end of the day this brown hoarde knows its an invasion, they know they're destroying something beautiful and weakened but they don't know why, its just nature. Hating them is a bit like putting down a pit bull that's aggressive, its sad for people who aren't desensitised and they need to care about their in group before they care about the snarling negro dogs snapping at it.
Also, maybe Camus was a bad comparison, you might prefer me comparing your position to Kiekergaard, Camus was after all just a confused nihilist misanthrope. Kiekergaard seemed to know that overcoming the despair of mortality was becoming something grater than yourself, he chose God. We can apply this to our movement because even for secular people through our group and our children we can life forever.
>>74025468
Socialists are degenerates.
updated
>>74027883
go away evil dogger
>>74027883
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>>74027883
