It's easy to prove how religion has been responsible for the murder of many human beings throughout time.
Can you prove if atheism has ever been responsible for mass murder? I bet you can't.
>what is marxist communism
>>73939307
>jews are responsible form most murders
ftfy
I believe niggers need to be cleansed because they are violent animals. Not because of some phony God's instructions.
>>73939307
Christians dont abort their own children. Neither do Seiks, Catholics, Buddhists, etc etc etc etc
>>73939413
STFU violent animal.
>>73939307
Does anyone know when atheism was formally penned as an ideology anyway?
I don't think it was until post-enlightenment right?
Most philosophers would think its a pretty fucking stupid ideology as it is.
I mean I understand agnostics point of view; but atheism?
Literal fedora
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror_(Spain)
>>73939307
probably because when faced with adversity atheists roll over and give up.
Actually, it's the people who are responsible for mass murder.
>>73939970
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_%28Spain%29
One could argue this is far worse though. :^)
>>73939307
>post a pic of the kkk for christian mass murderers
>when black people kill there more of there own in one year then the kkk has in there entire existence
ebin
>>73939307
Even if he didn't kill any jew.
He killed elder people and gypsies because they're unable to work.
>>73939350
The killings weren't in name of atheism.
>>73939435
abortion is not murder
>>73939629
>Does anyone know when atheism was formally penned as an ideology anyway?
Never. Atheism is just when someone doesn't believe in a deity. Nothing more
>>73939970
Not in the name of atheism
The Militant Atheist League of the USSR op.
/thread
>>73943689
>The killings weren't in name of atheism.
Actually. Stalin ordered the death and destruction of orthodox Christians and churches SPECIFICALLY because he wanted atheism to be the state belief.
>>73939307
So murder in the name of a ideology makes the ideology wrong somehow?
It just proves the ideology is strong
>>73943874
>Actually. Stalin ordered the death and destruction of orthodox Christians and churches SPECIFICALLY because he wanted atheism to be the state belief.
Source?
And destruction of property is not the same.
>>73944079
>And destruction of property is not the same.
>Hey guess what Christians. Im going to totally destroy every gathering area you own and forbid you to ever reconstruct them so your religion scatters and its easier to reprogram you to atheism.
I ask the difference between forced brainwashing and death.
>>73944201
>forced brainwashing
It's precious coming from a christian, isn't it?
>>73944978
>Christianity
>forced
>>73944079
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union
>>73945091
>Christianity
>forced
a little, yes.
>>73945250
Destructuion of property, and the killings of some priests and bishops. Best you can get?
>>73945718
Please tell me how Christianity is forced? Are you punished for being an atheist? I don't know what your threshold for mass murder is, but thousands of dead Christians would likely fit that criteria.
FUCK RELIGION.
>>73945718
>lol evidence. is that the best you can get?
>>73943918
>t. ISIS
>>73939307
columbine shootings.
>>73939307
>it's easy to prove
No, and my standard response to this immaturity is "study theology seriously or do not presume to talk to people." You don't know who Florovsky or Moss are you but take for granted that everyone is dumber than you.
>>73939629
you understand agnostic because it fits your interests of labbel every fucking human mind/psyche to your stupid religious belief system so you can get confy in your space.
Why not stoping parasite peoples minds with your labbels?
Its like isis suddendly shows is your life and all the sudden you have to choose between pay jizah or convert
you religious people are indeed control freacks
>>73946888
Agnostic is the most logical standpoint. There is literally no way to know God doesn't exist. So instead of assuming He does or doesn't, the logical mindset would be one of neutrality.
>what is the USSR?
>>73939307
Fuck off with this "atheism." That's as bad as calling people "cis."
There are people, and then there are religious people. Religious people are a subset. I don't need a fucking adjective to be normal. But in 2016 I'm suddenly a "privileged cis non-trans atheist."
Who the hell defines himself as not being something? Fucking asinine.
>>73947165
why the fuck you have to parasite my life with your stupid god?
Because I really dont care for your pathetic ape urge of finding a god or explanations for the existence of one.
Keep it to your self dont drag a all civilization to your limited existence
>>73946061
>Please tell me how Christianity is forced?
Tradition (parents force religions onn their sons). Societal pressure. Nowadays that these factors have been substantially diminished, atheism is on the rise.
>Are you punished for being an atheist?
no
>I don't know what your threshold for mass murder is, but thousands of dead Christians would likely fit that criteria.
My point is that if those thousands killed in the name of atheism is the best you can get, then i can give you examples of Christian mass slaughters.
>>73947165
>There is literally no way to know God doesn't exist.
And there is no proof that god exists. You can't prove that something doesn't exist, when it doesn't exist.
>>73947304
Not in the name of atheism. Try again
>>73947516
>>73947165 (You)
why the fuck you have to parasite my life with your stupid atheism?
Because I really dont care for your pathetic ape urge of hedonism and arrogance.
Keep it to your self dont drag a all civilization to your euphoric existence
>>73939307
>religions are one person
>everything done in that name of said religion is obviously the responsibility of the religion and not the interpretation of the followers
>atheism is one person
>you can do something in the name of lacking belief
What?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror_%28Spain%29
The murder of 37 priests, brothers and seminarians by leftists in Asturias marks what some see as the beginning of the Red Terror.[14] In October 1934, the Asturian Revolution was strongly anticlerical and involved violence against priests and religious and the destruction of 58 churches, actions that had been rare until that time.[25]
>>73947691
>And there is no proof that god exists. You can't prove that something doesn't exist, when it doesn't exist.
They dont care and kill for there imaginery god, be very carefull with religious people .. They deserve no trust at all , the mind delusion will pray on them as they have being programmed since birth
>>73947691
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union
How about now?
>inb4 lol wikipedia
>>73943874
all lies
>>73939307
Sure the atheist regime in Communist China and Russia were responsible for the mass murder of over 100 million of their own citizens while they have existed.
>>73947691
That's cool bro but the original claim was "Can you prove if atheism has ever been responsible for mass murder? I bet you can't." He lost that bet. Also learn to read fuckwit. Right after that sentence you quoted I said agnostic neutrality is the logical standpoint. I thought atheists were supposed to be smart?
>>73947909
My parents were atheists. Nice try faggot
>>73947843
Estimates of the number of religious men killed vary greatly. One estimate is that of the 30,000 priests and monks in Spain in 1936, 13% of the secular priests and 23% of the monks were killed, amounting to 6800 religious personnel altogether.[7][52]
The figures break down as follows: Some 283 women religious were killed, some of them badly tortured.[53] 13 bishops were killed from the dioceses of Siguenza Lleida, Cuenca, Barbastro, Segorbe, Jaén, Ciudad Real, Almeria, Guadix, Barcelona, Teruel and the auxiliary of Tarragona.[53] Aware of the dangers, they all decided to remain in their cities. I cannot go, only here is my responsibility, whatever may happen, so said the Bishop of Cuenca.[53] In addition 4,172 diocesan priests, 2,364 monks and friars, among them 259 Claretians, 226 Franciscans, 204 Piarists, 176 Brothers of Mary, 165 Christian Brothers (also called the De La Salle Brothers), 155 Augustinians, 132 Dominicans, and 114 Jesuits were killed.[54] In some dioceses, the number of secular priests killed are overwhelming:
>>73947802
your book setnences humans to death
for example the witches
you believe in witches? jajajaja
>>73947843
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Spain)
Shit happened on both sides. But those killings were not in the name of atheism
>>73947915
Already adressed this. Read the thread
>>73948104
The difference between the two is that the white terror killed leftists. Leftism is worse than religion by a long shot.
>>73947772
hedonism, atheist , how many labbels you need more?
Arrogant is someone that says is god is superior to everything, yourt god is superior more like to a hot dog
And the euphoric is on your side because everyone one knows you cristian fanatics mental disturbed are euphoric for another crusade serious you a a stone in mankind
>>73939307
>Mao
>Lenin
>Hitler
That's over 100million lives lost (by Israeli Estimates) in the last century alone.
>>73947843
cry me a vatican river of pedophile sperm
>>73948018
> "Can you prove if atheism has ever been responsible for mass murder? I bet you can't." He lost that bet.
No, he won. All those religious killings were not made because of some atheistic uprising. They were done for political power.
Atheism was not responsible for the red terror in spanish revolution, neither it was for Soviet Union killings.
Yes, some SU officials, perhaps the vast majority, were atheistic. But the revolutions and the subsequent killings were not caused by atheism, but for the willingness to obtain the church power by the state.
>>73945718
It's not forced at all.
Why are you even here?
>>73948429
Not in the name of atheism. It wasn't atheism that sparked those revolutions
>>73943689
>abortion is not murder
It is. I don't give a fuck since I hate kids but stop lying to yourself.
>>73948429
>hitler
>atheist
wow
>>73939307
>the lack of belief does something!
Don't be stupid, OP. There are multiple ways theism and atheism can manifest. No clear answer can be said of religion nor of atheism.
>>73948104
You're retarded
>>73947516
>religion is what made civilization possible
>>73945718
>destroyed their things and killed their leaders
>"best you can get?"
>>73948534
It was forced on me, albeit in a very light way.
>Why are you even here?
What do you mean?
>>73948557
Can atheism actually do anything positive or negative or is it the actual beliefs that you choose besides all forms of theism that does it? Seems like the latter that just gets passed off as "atheism".
>>73948577
Murder is killing when it's not sanctioned by law. Self defense is killing, yet it's not murder. Murder is a well defined legal term. Google it. Your fee fees don't change anything.
>>73948620
What do you mean?
>>73948651
Yet Orthodox Christian is still strong in Russia.
>>73948557
Anyone who doesn't believe in God that isn't agnostic is an atheist, by definition.
Any killings that have been done by atheists which I'm sure is a lot, fall upon atheism, it is just as much an ideology as everything else.
So fuck off.
>>73948306
>pathetic ape, christian , how many labbels you need more?
>Arrogant is someone that says is he is superior to people because he think God doesn't exist, yourt intellect is superior more like to a hot dog
>And the euphoric is on your side because everyone one knows you atheist fanatics mental disturbed are euphoric for another red terror serious you a a stone in mankind
>>73948587
It wasn't in the NAME of Christianity you retard. MOST people in recorded History have been religious, nearly all in fact. If you go by what religion they were, instead of what motivated them to do it, then everything before 2010 will be a religiously based occurrence.
>>73948480
Okay. Then the crusades were done for political power.
I have trouble committing to a belief system.
Christianity is the best religion though.
>>73948800
The only reason abortions have ever been permitted were in cases where that mothers life was at stake.
Abortion is legal, you are still killing a child, it's legal murder.
>>73948768
>Can atheism actually do anything positive or negative
No, because most atheist don't put atheism on a central part of their lives. Atheism is simply not believing in a god. Nothing more.
>>73948800
We're not talking about Russia. We're talking about the USSR. The USSR came and went. Don't be disingenuous.
>>73948621
Man you are reduzing our exixtence as species to religion, maybe with out religion we were much more advanced as societys and civilization, you cannot tell cause you enslaved humanity with religion as moral authority actually devine moral authority at point you claim peoples lives.
>>73948800
Yet Islam is still strong after the crusades. Yet Judaism is still strong after the holocaust. What a moot point.
>>73948997
and minds...
>>73948621
you cannot claim this , our dna is so advanced that you cant even be ignorant to the point to limit our mind and existence to this.
>>73948997
We weren't you dumb ass.
Every civilization EVER believed in God.
Religion is responsible for the existence of science. Quit being naive.
>>73948800
It's gonna be a kid if you don't vacuum it out, stop lying to yourself. Again I'm for abortion, if my chick didn't have one I'd have to had killed it in its sleep and risked getting arrested.
>>73948997
Yes, because the soviet union was so advanced. Sure they sent vodkaniggers into space, but compare the living conditions of the average citizen in the atheistic soviet union to the living conditions of the Christian united states
>>73948997
Are you autistic or just b8-ing? Seriously, nothing you've said in this whole thread makes any sense. It's all you blurting out ad homs while calling the other person names for using ad homs. Not to mention the blatantly incorrect assertions that sound like something a reddit "historian" would be saying about muh dark ages ruined everything.
>>73948997
Sweden is pretty atheist and they're being overrun with sand niggers.
Atheism and anti theism has been a core component of literally every communist movement ever. It's perfectly legitimate to count the casualties of communism.
Christians were treated by far the worst in the USSR, no surprise given who was in charge.
>>73949124
Yes I can. Every civilization believed in God.
They even built these civilizations as a tribute to God.
>>73939307
French Revolution. Worse still, besides the 50,000 killed in a year, was the legacy of shitfests that have lead up to today, inspired by it.
>>73948802
>fall upon atheism, it is just as much an ideology as everything else.
Atheism is not a ideology. Atheism is when one doesn't believe in a deity. End of it. You christards are really stupid.
>Any killings that have been done by atheists which I'm sure is a lot, fall upon atheism
No, because they weren't done in the name of atheism.
With that way of thinking, let us include every killing made by a christian and compare the tallies?
>>73948865
A little hard to justify. Crusades were made to preserve the christian faith. All the politics revolved around preserving christian lands.
Also this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Crusade
>>73948921
>legal murder.
God, i forgot how retarded people here could be.
Search the fucking murder definition ffs
>>73939307
>Hitler(rationalist and materialist), Stalin(became a religion-suppressing atheist), Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot
Atheists.
>>73948941
And i am talking about modern Russia, wich is the largest and central succeding USSR republics
>>73949162
Again, search for the fucking murder definition on google.
How uneducated you guys can be...
>>73949199
As a matter of fact, they were
>>73948936
And if they put atheism as central to their lives does that change anything?
If you want to define atheism like that (which is the proper definition) then there's no reason to picture atheism as a thing with the capacity to interact like actual beliefs in things and thus the OP ends up only being a false dichotomy.
The OP's logic ends up being something like "Believing in empiricism have led to numerous failed empirical studies throughout time. Can you prove that lacking belief in empiricism has ever been responsible for failed empirical studies? I bet you can't".
It's obvious you can't as there is no studies. The lack of belief is not an equivalent agent. OP is just being disingenuous.
>>73949300
Not in the name of atheism, try again
>>73949324
Not in the name of atheism. Try again.
>>73949324
he doesnt even know what atheists are
>>73949323
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Militant_Atheists
>>73939307
If not religion, it will be whatever big swinging dick power structure is in play that will be the source of murder. In the 20th century, it was government. The only time atheism comes into play is when religion is at odds with the existing power. Then you will worship the state, comrade.
>>73949520
Secularism was a massive part of what the French Revolution fought for. Do you wish to parse the secular from the atheist?
>>73949572
Stalin, Mao, and Pot were done in the name of communism, which was strongly atheist.
>>73949488
They were what? You think life in the soviet union was cush?
>>73949138
I did not say you were my ignorant or that represent you in anyway, im not invasive to the point of creating a god to rule your world .
Btw you can say same about democracy without democracy there would not be political history . It is the same thing .
Without democracy politics and humakind would never existed , this is religious point of our existence
If it wasnt for religion we would not exist as humans.
>>73949205
in a point of view of a religious person obvious does not make sense .
Prove me your god exists now...
>>73949572
They believed a Creator didn't exist. In essence, they did their atrocities in the name of the same void they practiced.
>>73949580
I am aware of the definition.
>>73949323
Atheism is an ideology.
>>73949496
>And if they put atheism as central to their lives does that change anything?
Who does it?
>>73949643
It strikes as something quite similar to missionaries in the discovery ages.
>>73949689
But the killings were not made in the name of atheism
>>73949720
Yet, not in the name of atheism. Try again.
>>73949725
Learn to read retard. SU had advanced technology. I didn't implied it's citizens had a easy life. Use your head not your fee fees cletus.
>>73949689
Secular != atheist
You can have a secular government in a nation full of religious people. It's called separation of church and state.
>>73949520
>the institution of revolutionary and civic cults, including the Cult of Reason and subsequently the Cult of the Supreme Being (spring 1794)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dechristianization_of_France_during_the_French_Revolution
Sure sounds like Athiesm. Besides, why am I arguing with a faggot like you? If your gonna throw around the "Scotsman Fallacy", then it's only fair I use the "Appeal to Authority".
Your not a historian. You don't cite Historians. Historians believe there was a stong Athiest motivator in le revolution, and your hot opinions and arguments are just disengenous rhetoric and word play, so Athiesm can mean what ever it needs to mean, rather then being substantive.
>>73949737
>>73949832
>if it wasn't for religion we wouldn't exist now
>prove me your god exists now
You exist right now. We exist right now.
>>73949929
No, but the french revolution was. It turned out horribly for them.
>>73950135
how can you prove that wasnt the aliens that modify our dna for example?
Atheism isn't an ideology or a lack of religion. It's a phase.
>>73950219
That edge.
>>73950219
like pedophilia in vatican?
>>73939307
was it really religion? or was it just greed for most, maybe a few zealot eunuchs who really belived and acted as guards or assassins....but most people just wanted to rape, kill and loot, for the "glory" of it all
>>73949929
Similar being the key word there. Meaning atheists and religious individuals both have committed similar acts. If that advanced technology didn't reach the average populace, then what does it matter. The atheist government did cool things. The atheist people lived in poverty while the Christian people of the United States accomplished the same feats of the soviet union AND had a much higher standard of living. No fee fees involved. Only facts.
>>73950285
maybe religion hijacket human spirituality
>>73950099
>Athiesm can mean what ever it needs to mean, rather then being substantive.
So can any other belief about religious topics. Beliefs are something that people who desire power manipulate. Religion is getting in the way of some dictator's ability to manipulate you? Fine, we're all atheists now, let's go kill the bourgeois. The masses are religious, and you want to build a fucking empire? Fine, I'm now a leader ordained by fucking God, and you will serve in my army.
Religious beliefs are used as a tool by those in power.
>>73939307
The high ranking officials in these religions that turned their followers to violence would not have done so if they actually believed in anything of what their religion was about. Rhetorical question: Why was Christianity made the official religion of the Roman Empire? Leaders <-> Atheists Followers <-> Religious
check mate
>>73949929
actual atheist here. to deny that communist regimes many times mass murdered/tortured the religious is retardation.
pic related. what you fedora tier atheists should do to stop making atheists look like idiots
>>73950035
Right, the state inherently then lacks religious belief. The lack of belief in theism is the very definition of atheism.
>>73949929
So no killing in the French Revolution came from their fight for secularism in government? Again, do you wish to parse the secular from the atheist?
>>73949929
>Who does it?
Anyone. It's a hypothetical.
>>73950099
>Historians believe there was a stong Athiest motivator in le revolution
Source?
And no killings were made bro.
>so Athiesm can mean what ever it needs to mean
No, atheism is when one does not believe in a deity
>>73950214
You would first need to prove it was aliens that modified our DNA.
Define alien.
>>73939350
By that logic can't you blame almost every other murder in the past 2000 years in western countries on Christianity though? The majority of people in western countries during that time were christian, therefore so were the majority of the people doing the murders therefore it's christianity's fault that those murders happened. Exact same logic.
>>73950491
same way you need to prove what God created your dna...
>>73950457
No, faggot. There are plenty of people who work for the US government who have religious beliefs. They are supposed to keep that part of their lives separate from their jobs. A secular state takes no position on religious beliefs. You had better fucking believe that atheism is a religious position to take.
>>73950416
Some beliefs are more substantive, and have more borders then others.
>>73950426
>to deny that communist regimes many times mass murdered/tortured the religious is retardation.
First, i was only arguing that the communists never killed in name of atheism
Second, there wasn't any communism regime. Communism is a stateless society
>>73950624
Yeah, that is what scripture is for.
>>73950512
this
>>73949324
>Hitler
Not an atheist
>Stalin
Not an atheist
>Mao
Not an atheist
Lenin
Atheist
Pol Pot
>Not an atheist
>>73939307
>What is the USSR
But hey, at least you were edgy.
>>73950253
>>73950279
No one thinks religion is perfect. Why do you think there are so many competing views? Cry all you want, but your daddy issues keep you from maturing.
>>73950736
>SEE!! THIS IS TRUE!!!!! LOOK AT THIS BOOK, IT'S WRITTEN HERE, SEE!!??!?!?!?!?!
>>73950512
You can blame it on the Roman Church.
>>73950824
That is literally what you ask for every time you request a citation.
Something written somewhere that says something.
>>73950681
How can you enforce your shitty communist laws without a state?
>>73950736
I bet the scripture does not have picture related
So you are asking people aproaching 2020 to rely our existence and lifetime to a old scripture that was no more then a experimental phase of humans.
>>73950681
even if you are retarded enough to believe in the "communism is a stateless society" delusion, its a fact that athiests were responsible for the mass murder and torture of the religious in places like the ussr and china (whether they were "real communists" or not) for having a religious belief which is pretty much the literal definition of killing in the name of atheism
>>73950993
>Something written somewhere that says something.
That carries any kind of credibility.
Not some desert fables
>>73951008
>How can you enforce your shitty communist laws without a state?
You have a cold war propaganda view on communism. Educate yourself
>even if you are retarded enough to believe in the "communism is a stateless society" delusion,
lol read the first paragraph of communism wiki page
> its a fact that athiests were responsible for the mass murder and torture of the religious in places like the ussr and china
Not in the name of atheism. They were anti-clerical, yes.
>which is pretty much the literal definition of killing in the name of atheism
No because the communist party banner wasn't atheism.
>>73950926
No m8. Here's something that I think most ITT could agree on regarding homicide: If it is something that a person's religion explicitly forbids, you can't blame it on the religion. If it is a situation that the religion is silent on, you have to take it on a case by case basis. If it is something that involves killing infidels, jihad, and Taqiyya, with maybe a smattering of pedophilia beforehand, we need to figure out a way to nuke the fuck out of the Middle East and North Africa without starting WWIII or making their (our) oil inaccessible.
>>73939307
Atheism isn't an ideology, it is the lack of belief in god so it didn't result in deaths. However secularization has resulted in deaths in communist countries. Saying that people lacking a belief in god haven't killed people because of that lack of belief in god is pretty is fair, however plenty of individuals lacking a belief would have committed crimes.
In short, and group of people with a common ideology will come prone to shunning people who won't stand for that ideology with ever increasing veracity. For this reason, tolerance as a concept had rational basis before the liberal faggots introduced political correctness and censorship to it. Legislated acceptance prevented zealots and ideologues from rallying together and excluding or eliminating others.
/thread
No more discussion is requires unless you are going into specifics.
>>73951210
Just ignore him. If he's alright with the butchery of christians in the name of a state belief of atheism, he can't be reasoned with. It's talking to a brick wall at this point.
>>73950815
you are the ones who cry rivers of child sperm
And religion is not perfect specially when is invasive to the personal temple of the human mind and spritituality of the individual.
What you failing to understand is that the actions of religious groups have nothing to do with personal spirituality.
You are nothing more then a political control group
>>73939629
As much as people rally behind it as a banner, it isn't an ideology. Any values assigned to it are just that, assigned, not intrinsic in any way.
I for example am someone who would consider the bible a good authority in most cases, and am strictly against Darwinian society as the critics of evolution define it.
>>73940171
Poland poster of truth. What a radical concept. Unfortunately people find it much easier to criticize collectives rather than individuals.
>>73943349
>Elderly people
Citation from a non Jew source.
>>73951210
Okay, so what's the difference between libertarians and communists then? Both hate the state right?
The following America-related wars were started by religion:
Current Conflict in Syria
Iraq War
Cold War
Vietnam War
Korean War
WWII
WWI
American Civil War
American War of Independence
Spanish-American War
Mexican-American War
French-Indian War
Non-America Related:
Caesar's Gaulic Wars
Punic Wars
Carthaginian Wars
Boudicca's Rebellion
Every Sack of Rome
Battle of Thermopylae
Wars of the Roses
Qin's Unification Wars
Alexander the Great's Conquests
Cortez in the New World (his slaughtering of 100 million innocent Kings and Queens)
I could go on for days but I think it's safe to say that Christcucks have been systematically B T F O once and for all
>>73939307
>Can you prove if atheism has ever been responsible for mass murder? I bet you can't.
The Purges
t.Stalin
>>73951210
The Bible has never been wrong about anything.
>>73951306
And i'm the edgy one? I thought you had to be 18 to view this board.
>>73951467
off course imagine yourself doing the same to americans that voted Obama
>>73951518
lolbertarians believe in a sort of state, just a smaller one. And there is many differences betwen a ideal ancap society and a communist one. Research it bro
>>73951592
Not in the name of atheism
>>73951560
Bait of the gods
>>73951697
Yea in the name of suck my dick
>>73951518
Communists tell you that some day they won't need a state. Libertarians tell you that the state is a necessary evil and they tell you that the market should decide prices. Any libertarian telling you that we don't need a government once the population gets above a certain size is an anarcho-capitalist, whether they realize it or not.
>>73951595
Because it uses itself as proof.
>The bible says Jesus resurrected
>How do you know?
>Because the bible says so
Genious
>>73951760
present it to me
>>73951697
>leftypol
Please leave. The reason you people flocked to cripplechan in the first place was a constant barrage of BTFO on your commie asses. Don't think anything has changed. If anything we hate you more now that the actual commie sympathizers have crawled out from the woodwork.
>>73939307
Neckbeards can only do anime.
>>73951210
"hurr literally every single communist states in the history of mankind arent actually communism because thats not what our lord and savior marx said would happen"
for how much communists hate the religious they sure zealously defend their ideology with the same lack of reasoning
how do commuists live with such cognitive dissonance
>>73939307
Even if they don't kill for atheism, atheism doesn't stop people from commiting genocide
>>73951619
Profiling Obama voters? I mean, if a whole group of people do a stupid thing it might well be far to say that the individuals were indeed stupid. Being part of a collective doesn't make you immune to individual criticism.
>>73939307
I think people are responsible and their religion or lack thereof doesn't factor in all that much.
>>73951782
Word of advice friendo: I know you are know to the the christbro thing considering you would be more likely to purge them then talk with them, but It is unwise tog et into childish discussions about the validity of theology.
>>73951808
never been to cripple chan bro
>>73951815
>communist states
Again with this oxymoron. Americans can be really stupid sometimes.
>for how much communists hate the religious they sure zealously defend their ideology with the same lack of reasoning
I bet you never met a communist irl
>>73951607
I mean if you want to talk about spirituality and how spirituality can be interpreted, besides having to rely on a deity or popular mainstream tv show belief system go ahead.
But you would say that spirituality could not have existed with out religion.
>>73951848
Neither does Christianity. Christianity tells them not to, but they can do it anyway. The act of being Christian doesn't make you good.
>>73939307
>Killings of the clergy during the French Revolution
>Communism
>Anti-Catholic violence during the Mexican Revolution
>Many (although not all) leading Nazis were irreligious and sought the destruction of traditional Christianity in the name of advancing the Germanic race
Fedora tripper btw
>>73951873
depends , you know very well that if a group has enought power then can easy step on that and you get your thoughts under police survalience .
>>73951782
And it has never been wrong. Not about anything. If you think it's some fairy tale you would expect something at some point would go against it.
But the opposite has happened. There was a time people didn't believe Nazareth was even a real place.
>>73951976
The communist state was described by marx as a phase in which the wealth a sort of government distributes the wealth and sets up order, to my understanding. There is no wa to set up the communes on a very large scale without someone setting it up. It isn't something that would just naturally come about, that's feudalism and tribalism, resulting in monarchy and capitalism. In order to defy nature you must either cut of it's head or oppose it constantly. Communism cuts of it's head so that the people can live free from the toils that human greed creates, which is fundamentally a good concept, however unready we are as a species, or however unjust the means.
The fact is, communist attempts result in "communist" states. Someone is going to kick down my door and redistribute my considerable inhere tied and earned wealth. Someone needs to distribute it fairly afterwards.
>>73952167
And what prophecies have the bible got right?
>>73952151
It's true that you should critique collectives, such as the hypothetical group you mentioned. However it is more correct effective to critique the individuals. On the other hand it is essentially impossibly difficult and it is just as effective to stomp on the problematic collective.
>>73952212
The theoretical road to communism is not my concern. I just saud that communism is a stateless society by definition
>>73952063
I dunno, the top brass were pretty neo-pagan in the Reich I hear, especially the SS.
>>73952240
All of them. If you are actually curious check it out for yourself.
>>73952240
>And what prophecies have the bible got right?
Certainly not the one that renders the whole faith redundant:
>“For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28)
>>73952328
>I just saud that communism is a stateless society by definition
what the hell does a communist "place" look like then
>>73952328
Oh, I assumed you were a commie.
Yes, the completely ironed out communist society doesn't have a state, but it get's one a long the way which is supposed to disolve itself. So you have a state that is a product of communism, and is supposed to achieve the end game of communism. This is what we mean by communist state. It is called a communist state because it was created for and by communism, it just didn't work as planned, and never will.
>>73950465
Armstrong, K. (1999). A History of God. London: Vintage. ISBN 0-09-927367-5
Berman, D. (1990). A History of Atheism in Britain: from Hobbes to Russell. London: Routledge. ISBN 0-415-04727-7
Buckley, M. J. (1987). At the origins of modern atheism. New Haven, CT: Yale University Press.
Drachmann, A. B. (1922). Atheism in Pagan Antiquity. Chicago: Ares Publishers, 1977 ("an unchanged reprint of the 1922 edition"). ISBN 0-89005-201-8
McGrath, A. (2005). The Twilight of Atheism: The Rise and Fall of Disbelief in the Modern World. ISBN 0-385-50062-9
Thrower, James (1971). A Short History of Western Atheism. London: Pemberton. ISBN 1-57392-756-2
But alright, so your atheism for the sake of argument, solely means that one does not believe in God(s). That is established, all other common idiosyncrasies which have been historically observed to correlate with said statement... Ignored.
But I'm curious.
Your statement: "not done in the name of Athiesm", really, applies to not* killing people as well. Infact, broken down to the basest level, means it really can apply to anything.
Sure, a rational, peaceful, sane man can be Athiest. So can a violent, insane one. Even a Relgious person can be a Athiest(not all religions believe in a God) and even those who are practicing* Religions can be Athiests.
It has become a blanket term. And I can safely say "Athiesm has NEVER done an ounce of good on this planet" or "has never STOPPED a atrocity" and still be correct. Athiesm is just the absence of belief in God. Every other value and trait has been removed, making it neutral to all statements.
>>73951979
No. I am saying that those that can critically think make wondrous incursions into the philosophy of religion. This will 100% of the time, present itself with doubt.
Not everyone can think critically. That is why religion is not only necessary, but good.
The problem with atheism is that atheists think they are critical thinkers and have finished developing thoughts on that subject (the philosophy of religion). This leaves their minds stunted and open to betrayal. They no longer doubt their logic or intelligence.
The reason you can link communism to atheism, and then atheism to mass murder is that same stunted growth in critical thought.
Hence, atheism is a phase.
>>73951976
communism in theory relies on co ownership of property and democratic control of the means of production which by the bare definition would still constitute a state even in a perfect communist world.
communists dont even understand the literal meaning of a state
>>73952469
>Every other value and trait has been removed, making it neutral to all statements.
>>73952400
name me one. And no self fullfilling prophesy
>>73952448
I don't know. How does a ancap society looks like? How the hell would i know. Stdy the subject and reach your own conclusions
>>73952469
>It has become a blanket term. And I can safely say "Athiesm has NEVER done an ounce of good on this planet" or "has never STOPPED a atrocity" and still be correct. Athiesm is just the absence of belief in God. Every other value and trait has been removed, making it neutral to all statements.
Yes
>>73952497
communism != socialism.
Search the fucking wiki pages
>>73939307
>Can you prove if atheism has ever been responsible for mass murder? I bet you can't.
Communism. The most murderous ideology in the 20th century.
Check and m8
>>73948865
You joke, but yeah all of them were primarily political in nature. Not saying they weren't great and Deus didn't Vult but let's be real- Cucktholicism is a political entity first, religious second
>>73951560
>American Civil War
Stonewall Jackson, Robert E. Lee and John Brown aside, most of the major players of the Civil War were irreligious.
One of the rising stars of the Confederacy, Brigadier General Maxcy Gregg was an avowed Atheist.
After being mortally wounded at Fredericksburg, he politely turned down offers by Jackson to perform last rites on him.
>American War of Independence
*See "Separation of Church and State" and just about everything Thomas Jefferson wrote on religion*
>Mexican-American War
Waged in the name of Manifest Destiny, which despite some religious connotations is mostly secular.
>Spanish-American War
Waged on Imperial ambitions
>Iraq War
*See "Oil"*
>World War I
Waged because we had floated billions in loans to the Allied Powers
>World War II
*See "Pearl Harbor"*
>Cold/Korean/Vietnam War
Anti-Communism was largely fueled by economic and racial reasons (anti-Eastern xenophobia)
>Syria
We fund the FSA mostly for the sake of pissing off Russia
>>73939307
Almost all religions are against the killing the innocents, christianity is against the killing of anyone, the crimes commited in the name of christianity are against christianity itself thus thr people who commited them are not christians, they are sinners who ate burning in hell so really the crimes commited are commited by atheists who didn't follow the words of God. /pol/ BTFO
>>73952747
But you named him communism, not atheism.
>>73952699
ok since literally every "communist" and "socialist" ive met have their own definition of those words why dont you try to define it
>>73952699
>ancap society
>>73952557
That's what's being implied and he agrees. It's a useless term now. Where other beliefs in Gods can claim certain virtues, Athiesm: disbelief in God(s), can't claim anything, including being worse, or better, then any other alternatives.
From pure word play perspective of course. Like how the word "race" is a social construct simply because race is a spectrum with exceptions, but still a useful identifier.
>>73952916
There is no definition. There is no definition on purpose, so when anyone points out flaws in some unemployed fat niggers book they can screech and wine about how something is or isn't socialism. It's especially tasty watching Tedditors try and justify Sweden/Eurocucks being socialist and Nazi Germany not being socialist despite having very similar socialist policies
>>73952484
This is so wrong because people who think critically like Edward Snowden would say you are wrong.
It is very wrong to say that not everyone think critically when every single being has the capacity for that and more , we share same adn , you are not special one dude nor your god.
Religion is not necessary and not good to regulate a nation or a civilization.
eligion will be a phase in the history of the space ape species.
Techology is inevitable, and if you denny and limit it , there will no be any human species tomorrow
>>73952557
>>73953095
I mean't to add something on the bottom of the greentext to say that I agreed.
>>73952359
Hitler admitted to not believing in an afterlife, Gobbels and Goring were both mostly apathetic towards religion, Martin Bormann aggressively called for the purging of Christian influence, Rudolf Hess issued an edict promising NSDAP members they would not be singled out for being irreligious, and the SS adopted Paganism as a way of returning Germany to it's pre-Christian (or pre-Jewish from their point of view) roots, not because they actually believed in Odin.
Although they dabbled in religion from time to time and adopted some religious aspects, Nazism was a largely secular ideology.
>>73952916
Read the wiki. It introduces you a bit to the whole thing.
>>73952976
So ancap is a mathematical equation?
>>73953241
>Nazism was a largely secular ideology.
Yes, so?
>>73953190
Christianity already has an excellent track record, proving you wrong
Go jerk it to Marx some more, you Moorish rape child
>>73951560
I'll even go further here and point out that the Barbary Wars, which many Tea Party supporters view as a war against Islam was exclusively fought over trade rights. Thomas Jefferson even made the point of stating that the US "had no ill towards Mohammedan" when asking Congress for war powers.
>>73953249
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
>"In political and social sciences, communism (from Latin communis, "common, universal")[1][2] is a social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money,[3][4] and the state."
literally from wikipedia. you cant just throw the terms "common ownership" and "absence of.. the state" in the same sentence and expect everyone to just buy it when those two terms are mutually exclusive by definition
>>73953398
Trade rights ... to sail without getting taken hostage as "fair game" infidels.
>>73953298
Clarifying the actual Nazi attitude towards religion for >>73952359
>>73939307
>Can you prove if atheism has ever been responsible for mass murder?
Marxists/Socialists/Communists. They were responsible for millions of lives lost, and they're atheists. They see religion as the "opium of the people" and is a bad thing. Instead, they want their ideology to replace religion and have people worship the ideology leaders instead--Jews have a megalomania and cult of personality problem.
This is getting old, like when a Jew asks what they did wrong, and the thread gets on average of 400+ replies that solidly BTFO all their mental gymnastics.
>>73953532
Pretty much
>>73953528
Read further mate
>>73953324
you guys banned condom's in the 90's during a hiv crisis because it was the tool of the devil.
The humans species counsciousness has that track record too , and it will be well printed in history books aside with all your blood wars and atrocities like inquisition and the destruction of counscionness.
>>73953241
Well cut my cock off and call me Jenifer.
Citation on the Hitler one would be cool though.
>>73953648
>Marxists/Socialists/Communists
Well, there's the issue.
>>73953324
>the crusades
>the inquisition
>witch burnings
>justification for various crimes against humanity from manifest destiny to modern day invasions of the middle east
>justification for stopping life saving medical research such as muh fertilized egg is a human being
your one saving grace is islam is off the charts terrible so you can always say at least we're not that mental
>>73950512
and that number would still be half of what the atheists, hedonists, pagans have done individually during the last 300 years.
>>73953190
>Edward Snowden
unelected traitor to our military. Do I agree with mass surveillance? No. Do I think there are problems with current political landscape? Sure.
>It is very wrong to say that not everyone think critically when every single being has the capacity for that and more
niggers
liberals
atheists
communists
>eligion will be a phase in the history of the space ape species.
>Techology is inevitable, and if you denny and limit it , there will no be any human species tomorrow
In what way are they mutually exclusive? I don't remember atheism discovering fire. I don't remember it doing anything except providing an outlet into critical thought. Much like adolescence leads into adulthood. Physical and mental growth are meant to work in conjunction. Atheists build a wall in their mind and refuse to push forward.
It's a phase.
>>73953666
yeah ive already read some of marx and engles in the past just to see what the zealous tards at my college were talking about, and ive already read that article before so if you got nothing to say to defend your shitty ideology then i guess thats that
i was at least hoping for some argument ive never heard before but i guess there really isnt much to communism
>>73953824
>the crusades
You should exclude the defensive ones against Islam from that.
>>73953964
>it's a defensive action to go rape and pillage your enemies civilians in their countries you invaded and occupied
human logic
>>73953711
"Hitler did not believe in the afterlife, but he did believe he would have a life after death because of what he had achieved."
-Laurence Rees, British Historian
Although he did have a profound belief in destiny.
>>73954023
>in their countries you invaded and occupied
There's your misunderstanding, lad. Spain wasn't their country. The Levant wasn't their country. You could argue that not even North Africa was their country considering it's been under Roman hegemony before THEY invaded and occupied it.
>>73954028
Where did Laurence get that from?
>>73943349
Hitler wasn't an atheist and neither was Stalin.
>>73939307
The atheist Jew Bolsheviks killed an estimated 66 million people. One man alone, Yagoda, killed starved 7 million women, men, and children in an incident known as Holodomor. Also, see pic.
>>73947165
The default is not having any positive or negative belief, not neutrality. If you're agnostic then you normally should have no reason to believe in God (unless you have a reason that doesn't require knowledge, such as faith), while still being open to the possibility that there is a God if at any point you'd be exposed to something that indicates it.
>>73953711
There also some passages of the Gobbels Diaries that insinuate that Hitler's obsession with ensuring a lasting legacy was fueled by his lack of belief in a hereafter.
>>73954028
>Laurence Rees, British Historian
What are his sources? I think skepticism is justified in this case considering the misinformation around the Reich.
>>73953932
>if you got nothing to say to defend your shitty ideology then i guess thats that
I'm not communist. neither have i studied any of marx works or communist/socialist works. I told you to read on because i couldn't help you.
>yeah ive already read some of marx and engles in the past just to see what the zealous tards at my college were talking about,
You went on to reading it with your mind already made up.
>>73954164
He's studied Hitler's life for over 30 years.
>>73939307
Atheism is a collection of beliefs based on the idea there is no god.
Religion is a collection of beliefs based on the idea there is a god.
They are both just ideologies.
Depending on the cultural climate anything is possible...
People kill people... WHY they kill is completely up to them.
If Atheism was more common and its adherents felt the need to kill believers then they would. Nothing would be different. Religion doesn't make you murderous. You are a murderous person who subscribes to a belief and you act accordingly.
>>73954411
>He's studied Hitler's life for over 30 years.
That's good for him, but without primary sources all he has is a claim.
>>73954265
>Atheists committed crime
>Therefore atheism is bad
Uh, nah
>>73953710
Hiv is a great disease though
>>73954510
>Atheism is a collection of beliefs based on the idea there is no god.
What collection of beliefs would that be?
>>73954284
That seems like a pretty fucking wide logical leap there.
>>73953926
you could resume your post and avoid quoting all sentences but ok.
In a short resume Edward Snowden was the perfect proof that your perfect system can't allow critical thinking or action . You basically set a target in the guys forehead . there goes your critical thinking down the toilet.
An regarding the discovering of fire or any technological adavnced you need to understand that before atheism came physics , if you simulta the universe again the fire is already there.
The fire was not invented but because the atoms that compose fire were alredy in this universe , we did not invented we just plug our biological computer and started merging elements and creating technology.
It is just part of our dna
>>73954538
humas are a great mental disease to other species probably, so whats your point?
>>73953824
Crusades was great, inquisition wasn't even religious, witch burnings were either bad trips, or political. Manifest destiny was good, desert storm et. Al. Weren't anywhere close to religious, and only Jews want to grind up babies for face cream.
Your sad and low energy
>>73954515
Well Hitler isn't around anymore so it's all speculation.
I'm personally inclined to think Hitler's views on religion were complex. A rejection of some traditional notions of God, but also maintaining some aspects of his Catholic upbringing such as a profound belief in destiny of both himself and the German nation.
>>73939307
Atheism is not a centrally controlled ideology, there is no structure to ever enact mass murder. However, religions (such as Christianity) that proscribe objective morality can insulate societies from such violent tendencies. This is why evangelical christians will knock on your door to tell you about Jesus, while BLM activists will murder a police officer. Both are promoting their beliefs in a manner consistent with the morality of their belief system.
>>73954023
Crusaders were celibates, they didn't even fuck with or without consent. They pledged their lives to God.
Also the inquisition didn't murder and it was criticized for its softness by the Church. They granted forgiveness to heretics that publicly repented, everytime. The only executions were due to medieval standards (death sentence for a crime), not religious. Atheist systems also had death sentences and executions.
Witch burning were more supersitious reaction than religious.
Your last two points are just bollocks. First the modern day Middle East invasions are for political reasons (resources among others) and it's funny that you say "life saving" giving yourself the entitlement to decide what's alive and what's not. This is not religious, it's moral. You don't get to draw the line and say "anything goes in the name of science".
>>73954713
That you're a sad, pathetic european loser who can't even think critically, even when nothing is at stake but your ego
>>73954265
>What the fuck Yagoda, you starved 7 million men women and children! They're all dead Yagoda, what did you do!
>it was an accident
>>73939307
If you think that murder is religion's fault then you are legit retarded.
>>73954908
> my bad, bro
>>73945718
>best you can get
Kek
Anyone who doesn't make believing in a deity a big part of their lives is pretty much an atheist
That being said, bullied serial killers aside, you can't really do something in the name of lack of believing.
>>73954857
>Crusaders were celibates
I had ancestors who fought in the 3rd Crusade and one of them brought home either a Palestinian wife or bastard daughter, so I'm living proof that this isn't true.
>>73954737
>Well Hitler isn't around anymore so it's all speculation.
Well, there you go.
>>73947691
>Traditions
>forced
Pick one.
>>73954516
where does it say athiesm is bad? i thought the point of the thread was whether or not atheists have killed in the name of atheism as christians killed in the name of christ, and we already proved that was the case
>>73954884
Attacking a person charater does not bring any type of advanced comunication , basically you are ape shiting and projecting also your ego .Ego is inherent as dna . It can be mastered
>>73954516
>Religious people committed crime
>Therefore religion is bad
Uh, nah. It works both ways.
>>73955057
So if a cop is corrupt and we say the police is here to protect us it means that the statement is false? Get rid of the entire police corp with dishonours?
Shame on your entire family then? Because one of your relatives broke his oath?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror_%28Spain%29
t. atheist
>>73946888
This so much
>born
>no thoughts on a lie book
>ok lets stuff things into this baby's brain
>hey! I wonder how he becomes religious!
Fucking religion is the cancer of this world. I never ever started bothering with religion because I never give a damn about it. It's always and always the religious people have to interfere with your life no matter how hard you avoid them.
>>73955212
The only thing getting mastered is your crusty gay hole
>>73939307
Hitler was atheist and he gassed over six million Jews to death.
>>73955214
I think what is being argued here , if is posite or not to have a civilization or societys under a religious political state .
Basically is the separation of water, religion aside from state and laws . The country in no long under religious flag , it is a open society .
basically what we have today.
>>73947165
Hi. Here's an argument
A giant 10meter black dildo floating in Galaxy XXII is controlling all of our earth animals mind. That's the truth and I have faith in it. It's 300000 light years far from us and we have no technology to inspect it
Now. That's the religion. That black dick is the god. Can you prove to me it's not there controlling our animals? Can you? Just tell me. You can't prove it doesn't.
>>73955312
>Red
Dropped.
>>73955595
>le prove me wrong maymay
The world religions have the argument that their faith and doctrine spread quickly without the use of force (except Islam ofc).
Your claim doesn't.
>>73955638
And why?
>C-Commies aren't REAAAAL atheist!
Yes, they are and were, and they killed multiple thousands of clergy because of their religion.
>>73954857
Crusaders were literally crimminals who were given the freedom to kill and pillage in the name of God. Didn't they teach this at schools? They literally recruited convicted felons.
>spanish education system in charge of history
