Well, fuck.
http://archive.is/buqdQ
>The Harvard University survey, which polled young adults between ages 18 and 29, found that 51 percent of respondents do not support capitalism. Just 42 percent said they support it.
Who /readyforthegulag/ here?
>>73930366
Millennial here. I'm a national socialist.
>>73930366
>reject capitalism
>time to buy the newest iphone!
>>73930366
>Who /readyforthegulag/ here?
That's not how you spell "economic and social collapse".
>>73930366
Is capitalism as a concept the problem, or the people?
>>73930366
Nothing wrong. Capitalism is jewish thing.
51% of respondents have no idea what capitalism is. They just know that Occupy Democrats and 'ol Bernie tells them they shouldn't like it.
>>73930366
This is awesome news.
>>73930366
>Who /readyforthegulag/ here?
More like /readyforhelicopterrides/
>>73930460
In other words, you are an anti-social shithead who is lonely dwelling in his parent's house.
>>73930701
I got news for you, Clive. You right wingers arent really a bunch of deep thinkers, either.
>>73930366
Good. Free market ≠ capitalism. Capitalism is globalism that forces you to neglect your country, countrymen, and environment so fat cats can pinch shekels and squeeze labor.
Now we just have to make fashy goys out of these young socialists. Mussolini used to be one before he experienced war.
>implying that most of us has any real knowledge of how capitalism and socialism works
Well, this comes at no surprise. Millennials are the most educated generation. Anyone who accepts capitalism is a mentally enslaved moron.
>>73930898
Nope. I merely believe the government should help it's own people, and ensure any business operating within our borders must hold the health and integrity of the people before something foreign.
>>73930366
>A majority of millennials
>millennials
wow its fucking NOTHING
Jews dirtied the word 'capitalism' so millennials think it's bad. If you asked them if they supported a free/mixed market economy (which is essentially capitalism), more of them would say yes.
>>73930964
>implying that there is any place in the world that there is free market
That's why we will never be able to make capitalism work
>>73930954
>lel you right wing retards are so stupid
>>73930366
> 51%
That's a really big majority you got there. And it's kids. I bet this statistic was just as true in the 60s and 70s as it is today. Kids are dumb and are liberal, big shocker there.
>>73931092
Millenials are larger than the babyboomer generation and once they're all legal to vote and have some inclination to, they're going to the largest voting pool the United States has ever had.
It's a pretty big deal.
>>73931092
>nothing
Hate to break it to you, but millenials will be running the show in a few decades.
May Kek help us all.
>>73930460
>national socialist
so nazi then...
yeah ok i support this. do you support gassing the kikes?
>>73930366
so they're commies ?
>>73930366
A majority of millennials, who are literally exchanging money for being better-suited for higher levels of employment so that they can make more money, are against capitalism
>>73930366
They will sink in the hell pit that Marxism is.
>>73930366
capitalists will literally do anything for quick cash, even sell their country away.
Nat Soc is the only way to go tbqh
>>73931311
>Millenial will let refugee in
>Millenial won't run anything because racism
Nah mate, Millenials are the end of the empire
No obligatory?
Kine and soviet chink slavs = that's double wiliness
>KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov's warning to America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA
millennials are rejecting everything
>>73930366
Did they do the poll from thei iPhone using Starbucks wifi?
>>73931279
Let's not start pretending that millenials are the biggest voting demographic in the country until they, you know... actually start voting.
>>73931279
>First get bullied by the boomers then fucked over by millenials and their "gimme free shit Bernie" meme
>>73931396
W.were those people in the hall ok?
American millenials are very non-white
>>73931313
Nope. If they are loyal to the United States above Judaism, Israel, or their shekels, they're fine. If they refuse to integrate (they never will), deport them to Israel. If they, and only then, seek to harm or lower the standing of the United States, then gas the kikes
Millennials are becoming increasingly polarized. They're either total "GAS THE KIKES" far right or they're far left Bernie people.
It's going to be an interesting battle.
>>73931604
Of course :^)
Ill leave this here
>>73930366
Good. Meritocracy is the only way
>>73930366
what did they say about socialism?
Millennials are people born from 1982 to 1994
I'm pretty sure 99% of everyone in here is one.
Capitalism is an ubermensch ideal. Plebs can't into it and complain. Simple.
Why opposing communism to capitalism as only possible option? Capitalism fitted the industrial revolution times, but from now, replacing lowest workspaces with robots will need something more social based. Economy of goverment will be not so much about tricking other people in race for the rich as it is now.
I blame boomers.
>>73931674
i fear you're right, i blame internet and the eco chamber effect.
basically, a right wing guy will go to right wing websites/forum and become more right wing.
same thing for left wing people.
>>73930366
Capitalist
>>73930484
>reject socialism
>dislike non-whites
OHHH time to buy the newest clothing made by CHINESE PEOPLE In the SOCIALIST republic of China
>>73932057
It's best for these issues to come to a head as quickly and violently as possible so that we can get it over with and return to some sanity in the world.
The Bernie people don't stand a chance.
>>73930366
>51% of young adults ages 18 to 29 refuse to purchase Apple products
Arnt millenials the most materialistic generation? How ironic that they reject capitalism but can't live a day without their iphones, starbucks, brand name clothes, etc
>ask dumb gender studies and liberal arts students at a Leftist indoctrination camp aka university
>be surprised when most of them are Socialist fuckwads
They literally control the outcomes of polls like this by skewing the question and asking at a place where the population predominantly agrees with you.
>>73930366
strange how none of these polls ask me anything
>>73932273
>49% of young adults refuse to collect social security, drive on roads, use police or medical services.
>he thinks technology wouldn't exist without capitalism
>>73932285
Socialism/Communism are just as materialistic as capitalist.
If you want non-materialist existence, you have to go to a religion or a cult, or become a hermit.
they probably reject capitalism because boomers are still hoarding all the wealth. a lot of these kids are better educated than their parents, while making less now than their parents did 30 years ago.
if boomers ever stop kicking away the ladder or start dying in droves in yoga accidents or something, millennials will start buying in too.
>>73932379
HAHA ur funny
>>73930366
Of course they do. They were raised with everything given them well beyond high school in an increasingly socialist country, with full blown socialism on the horizon. Why would they want capitalism?
>>73930366
that reminds me, this burger needs his passport.
When people talk badly about millenials does it imply they're 45 years old?
You fuckers could be my father, why are you browsing 4chan?
>>73932503
>with full blown socialism on the horizon
like the nationalist kind?
>>73930366
Its not surprising. Nobody likes being saddled with debt just to have a decent life. We've seen capitalism fail in the most essential aspects of modern society: our healthcare system, our entertainment, our internet, our cell phone, our education, airline etc
>>73932379
Of it would, but not nearly as developed as today. That's literally capitalism strong point: is really good for producing.
>>73932379
Your slightly dumber alter ego?
>>73930366
I'm 20 years old and can personally attest to the fact that 99% of girls who talk about this and post stuff with tags like #rejectcapitalism could not give you a definition of the word capitalism and do not practice what they preach in any way. Social awareness shit has just become the new trend for our generation, and that's literally all it is; a trend. Girls see it on social media, want to pretend that they believe in some cause, and want people to think they are socially active.
Their lives literally revolve around capitalism.
>>73930460
Stop relying on the goverment you freeloader. If you want something, then work for it.
>>73932623
nice platitude
not an argument
>>73932706
But then you are still relying on someone higher up to pay you and if they don't you complain to the government (laws) so they do pay you.
Why are wagekeks so blind?
>>73932678
your really dumb
>>73930366
>majority of mellennials reject capitalism
>polled from college students only
>the original source even admits that capitalism has become different meaning for different people
>somehow this generalizes to all people
>>73932621
Don't back sass me, boy, or I'll ground you /r9k/.
>>73931674
I'm an Evola man myself, but yeah you're right.
SJWs vs Alt-Right for the soul of the millennials.
Fashy goys vs the cuck battalions.
>>73932430
This. I hope right-wing anti-capitalism takes off.
>>73932706
System's too fuck up for that, m8.
>>73930366
>tfw you realise that high technology will make wage labour obsolete
>tfw you realise that universal basic income will re-define work as a choice not a compulsion
>tfw all the highly automated productive forces will end up publicly owned in order to pay for univesal basic income
>tfw you realise you were born in time to witness the birth of actual communism, emerging organically from the peak of capitalism at it's most technologically advanced, just like Marx said it would.
>>73932622
No, most certainly not. If the democrats win the general, extinguishing flames of nationalist ideals will be their top priority. Trump is our only hope.
>>73932686
You're a girl. Your life literally revolves around socialism yet you hate it.
>>73932686
You're 20 years old and know nothing about capitalism yourself.
>>73932623
None of the failings in those areas are because of capitalism. In fact, recent socialist developments are the primary cause of issues for those aspects of our country
a consumption, growth based economy is not sustainable
>Being such a contrarian that you actively support a system designed to fuck over the many for the benefit of the few
Lmaoing @ ur lyf cucks
>>73932861
>Fashy
ur fashy
>>73930460
>socialist
>>73930954
>no u
What an argument.
>>73931674
We're living through the death of the Thatcher/Reagan neo-liberal consensus. There will be recession, war, total technological change, demographic revolution and as a result total polarisation, just like the 1930's and 40's.
This is a healthy sign. It means the rotten failing status quo is finally coming to an end.
Trump vs Sanders for the American presidency would be fucking epic, and that's just a preview of things to come.
>>73930366
Ready for the Führer!
Only National Socialism can come from the United States, it is in our nature to ally with Hitler's and our founders will!
Heil our Revolution!
Workers of the world raise up the Swastika!
>>73933070
>Pay taxes
>Expect nothing out of it
>>73933070
>not a socialist
You're disgusting.
>>73933087
sure
>>73932809
If they don't pay you enough, then you go elsewhere were they will.
>>73932978
>None of the failings in those areas are because of capitalism.
Right, cos capitalism dindu nuffin'
If you believe the American healthcare system sucks cos it's not capitalist enough for your liking then you're a clown. Don't tell me, not real capitalism right?
>>73933132
Filthy bourgeois exploiters have no place in our socialist revolution.
Only Hitler gives us freedom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS4pmfLWiz8
>>73933123
>Wanting more out of taxes than just a basic boarder control, military, court system and government
Oh so your a lazy, jackass, freeloader then?
>>73933296
>wanting to be able to hog other peoples money and not pay taxes
STFU lazy parasite scum
>>73933296
I'm getting taxed out of the ass, the border isn't being controlled, the military wastes money to justify a budget, and the court system at a Federal level is working against my interest.
If I'm paying so much for shit that doesn't work, where the fuck's my bread and circus?
>>73932095
Why would I refuse the products or things of someone else? It's not them that we are importing, so your false dichotomy doesn't even make sense.
>>73931761
idk what kind of fucking meritocracy you think you're going to get from a bunch of fuckwits who introduced the progressive stack and push for even more affirmative action in EVERY aspect of life.
>>73933193
yeah you can just quit and go work somewhere else when you still have monthly expenses lmao good shit rite there mmmhmmmm good shitt
>>73933421
Everything that your complaining about, is because people have wanted more government and more taxes. "hurr durr my money isn't going where I want it to...let's give more money that might change things".
>>73933392
You mean other people voluntarily giving you their money for your product, or service? What in the fuck are you even talking about?
>>73930954
This fella's correct. I'd be surprised if 20% of either side could offer a reasonable brief explanation of capitalism.
>CAPITALISM? I WOULDN'T SAY I SUPPORT IT. IT MAKES TEXT HARDER TO READ. PRETTY SURE REDDIT WOULD BAN YOU FOR THAT?
>>73933658
No I mean you inherited money from your dad who inherited it from his dad who got it from sucking the dick of the King of England. What I'm describing is the Bushs and so many other rich family.
>>73933193
>If they don't pay you enough, then you go elsewhere were they will.
Shit, why doesn't everyone do this? We could end poverty and low wages instantly just by getting every person in the United States who's earning a shit wage to quit and get a better paid job!
>>73933471
What is
>working at the same job to cover expenses
while
>looking for a better job that will pay better
Nigger, I just jumped a couple of jobs the past couple of months each paying better.
>>73933753
You mean the bush's that have been apart of the government for half a century, and use that government to remain rich and in power. The very thing you're wanting to have expanded?
>>73933271
>bourgeois
They enabled the rule of the money.
And money = jews
>>73930366
>A majority of millennials now reject capitalism, poll shows
This is a fucking lie.
>>73933877
>wanting to expand government
That's been what you right-wing capitalists have been doing.
>>73933443
Communism isn't the only anti-capitalist ideology
>>73930366
So they don't support capitalism.. But are willing to buy Apple products..?
I'm seriously confused.
>>73933942
I was a Ron Paul supporter since I was old enough to vote. I didn't vote for boner or any of those other cucks.
>>73932905
>just like Marx said it would
He also believed revolution would first come in Western Europe after a period of capitalism. Didn't happen, communism was only ever popular in poor countries and was vastly economically outperformed by capitalist states utilising moderate Keynesianism. LTV is also a load of horseshit that was outdated by the 1870s, and has been conclusively disproved since.
t. neither capitalist nor communist
>>73930366
Harvard is cuckd so who gives a shit
>>73933694
>This fella's correct. I'd be surprised if 20% of either side could offer a reasonable brief explanation of capitalism.
They haven't got a definition of capitalism beyond "free markets" and platitudes about mutual exchanges. They don't know anything about it's historic development or what makes it distinctive as an economic system. All they know is that capitalism is infallable, godlike, beyond reproach or criticism. Anyting good that happens in a society is a result of capitalism's inherent genius, anything bad is because capialism hasn't been allowed to flourish. It is dogma of a kind that even the most dedicated religious fundamentalists must admires since it's dogma to a long-discredited political philosophy rather than obedience to an omnipotent Creator.
>>73930366
Millennial here
I support capitalism, but I don't support totally free capitalism where workers get brutally molested by corporations.
I believe in capitalism with government regulation, and that's why I love the U.S.A
>>73934020
I'm a Native Canadian as long as I can remember. We don't believe in government.
>>73934041
You mean corporations that are only able to exist because of the government?
>>73934093
You just believe in socialism...which is more government...
>>73934041
You statement is the prove, why Millennials are seen as stupid and worthless.
>>73934039
if you're so smart tell us what capitalism is
>>73933596
Actually, you retarded faggot, it's because dumbass reaganites like yourself keep giving the rich and corporations free license to do whatever the fuck they want, so they do - and that inevitably results in a bloated MIC, extortionism in the health and education sectors, and degeneration of even entertainment. /pol/, once again, confirmed for not knowing its ass from a hole in the ground.
>>73934154
You believe in capitalism. Which is more government, just not the good kind of government.
>>73933195
Real free market capitalism has never been tried, what you refer to is crony capitalism which is not much different than bolshevism.
>>73934309
Capitalism is not more government...what in the hell are you talking about. Have you ever even read wealth of nations?
>>73931537
>Millennials rejecting technology
Ironically that's the only thing they will never reject because they're completely obsessed with social media; a product of capitalism.
>>73930366
Why wouldn't they reject Capitalism? The baby boomers used it to totally fuck their generation.
>>73933694
I'd be amazed if ANY conservative could accurately define socialism. All of them seem to think it means "First I contribute to capitalism, then the poor "socialism" my money away from me."
>>73934274
Why is it they have free liscense to do whatever they want? Is it because of money? NOOOOOPPPEEE. I'll give you a hint...it starts with a G, some people prefer the word that starts with an S though.
>>73932953
I'm a dude, and you're a fucking leaf.
>>73932961
What's your point? Yeah I don't know shit about capitalism, so I don't go around aligning myself with a movement against it or pretend to know I have some deep insight on its effect on society. I doubt you know anything about the mole on my left nut, and there's nothing wrong with that, unless you go around proclaiming to be an expert on my left nut.
>>73933999
Self-awareness is not typically a human trait.
>>73933952
I didn't say anything about communism nor was I making a point about ideologies. I was simply pointing out that these special snowflakes will never, ever push for an actual meritocracy. It is against everything that they have been taught to believe in.
>>73930641
sorry, I forget, who won the Cold War again?
>>73934502
>I'd be amazed if ANY conservative could accurately define socialism.
IRL socialism or textbook socialism?
>>73934412
I've read enough of it. Have you ever read Marx?
>>73932095
China has gone under many capitalistic reforms to get where they are today.
I get along fine with chinks, I just don't want them taking over my country. They have no concept of a queue, no manners at all.
>>73934502
Shoo shoo commie.
>>73934274
Also extortion of the education sector. Did you know the U.S. had the best education in the world by far before the federal government got involved in education? How about healthcare? In the early 1900's dr's were complaining that health care was too cheap so they ran to the government for regulations so costs would increase. How about modern day health insurance, did you know about bullshit state regulatory lines enforced by the government so health ins companies can have state markets cornered to jack up the prices?
>>73930366
>the reason why they have such a comfortable life is because us took a shit tons of resources from other places
they only hate capitalism cause they want free college
>>73934029
.
Marx actually predicted England would be the first, cos it was the most advanced capitalist state, but following the failure of Chartism in the late 1840's he changed that to the United States, since they were the most advanced capitalist economy. The fact that socialism in countries where there was little or no capitalism in the first instance (such as Russia, China etc) ended up the way they did is entirely consistent with orthodox Marxism, rather than Leninist revisionism.
Labour Theory of Value was a theory developed and pioneered as part of classical liberalism, not Marxism. It's leading theorist was free-trade liberal David Ricardo. It's incorporation into Marxism a product of the fact that Marx was writing a "Critique of Political Economy" to give Das Kapital it's full title and as such takes as given the same assumption and norms that any bourgeois political economist would've made.
Communism was only ever popular in poor countries is factualy incorrect, since nearly every country in Europe (bar Britain) had a mass membership communist party that has challenged seriously for state power at some point and that have actually won elections here and there.
The early part of the cold war was a fight between Social Democracy (or "moderate Keynesianism, if you wish) and Stalinism, out of which Social Democracy did much better, but was also predicated on explicitly socialist and even Marxist lines (as both Leninism and Social Democracy are largely forms of revisionist Marxism) however it's worth pointing out that Western Europe has been substantially wealthier than Eastern Europe and Russia for at lest 300 years, and if anything the gap between the two blocs decreased rather than increased during the Soviet Union's existence.
Well when you get lied at and waste multiple years and money at college to only get a min wage job afterwards, what do you expect us to do. Continue believing your lies?
>>73934662
Yes I have, and he is a fucking idiot, who's ideas cannot work because the lack of drive by way of competition.
>>73930366
Virtue signalling on a poll, it literally means nothing, try going outside and actually observing millennials you will see they love capitalism.
>>73934492
>Muh baby boomers
Stop blaming the past generation and live your fucking life
>>73934814
Adam Smith was a fucking moron. And Marx was a genius. Adam Smiths ideas can't work because if the rich keep investing they will keep getting richer, and under true gold standard capitalism there is limited gold so they will keep getting richer as the poor get poorer.
>>73930366
How the fuck do you define "capitalism" in any consistent sense in a context like that? I can imagine a lot of the people filling out the survey were thinking it was referring to anarcho-capitalism or something, obviously they can't be so against the entire notion of capitalism considering they are all guaranteed rich consumerists, right?
I don't think these kids knew what they were giving their opinion on, because they are retarded and the entire notion of being "in support of or in rejection of capitalism" is so abstract.
This is clickbait horseshit.
>>73931761
capitalism is meritocracy
>>73930366
>millennials now reject capitalism
Despite their hardships being born from socialism.
>>73934885
>muh donald trump wahhhhhh
STFU and live your fucking life and stop bitching about Trump and build the fucking wall.
Millennials don't know what capitalism is. They have the luxury of being complete ignorant about the society they inhabit while still benefiting tremendously from it.
L O L
O
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The vast majority of millennialist can't even give a coherent definition of capitalism and socialism, much less grasp their demands and consequences.
But this is good news, great news. Few things would make me happier then a serious international socialist 'uprising' that would attract all the niggers and degenerates of the world, have them win a few victories to get confident brash, and then have the US military blow the ever-loving fuck out of them. I sincerely hope socialists are incredibly successful in gaining as much support as they can.
>>73935040
It's another boomer generation in the making, spoiled kids.
>>73933132
>he enjoys watching his country get run straight into the ground
>>73934412
More government is the inevitable conclusion of allowing capitalism free reign because the first thing the rich do is purchase the government and create any number of laws and bureaus to suit their interests.
>Capitalists STILL haven't figured this basic shit out yet
>>73934492
That's a great point.
>>73934522
>Why is it they have free liscense to do whatever they want? Is it because of money? NOOOOOPPPEEE
You spelled "YES" incorrectly.
>Hurr durr money doesn't buy power HURRRR
>>73934652
The actual definition of the word, as opposed to the "real life" socialism conservatards think is "real life" socialism (i.e. whatever they don't like).
>>73934700
Exactly.
>>73934710
>Also extortion of the education sector. Did you know the U.S. had the best education in the world by far before the federal government got involved in education?
That doesn't surprise me. I'm sure during the 50s-70s education was great in this country. See above about the "size of government" and capitalism. You can't have small government and capitalism too. That's a fucking myth that the useful idiots of the rich were told to parrot.
>How about healthcare?
Healthcare in America is TOTALLY controlled by PRIVATE insurance agencies. That's why we have the highest cost of healthcare on Earth, yet don't even rank in the top ten for quality.
>Hurr did you know that moneyed interests jacked up the price of healthcare
Yeah, that's what I said, moron.
>>73934988
Only if you think sociopathy is the only human virtue and everything else is a flaw.
>Muh just world fallacy
>>73934180
>if you're so smart tell us what capitalism is
It's a system production and exchange based on cycles of accumulation, selling commodities on the market and made possible by private property rights. It's distinguishing featues are reliable on markets at key points in the cycle, pursuit of profit that can be re-invested into the cycle, the buying and selling of labour as a commodity on the market (aka wage slavery), the use of technology and extensive divisions of labour to improve labour productivity, mass production, leading to benefits of economies of scale and finally centralisation of dispered traditional production techniques into more efficient centralised firms that have larger market share (for instance the way in which cottage industry was replaced by the factory system in the industrial revolution).
Would any more American conservatives like to know more about capitalism and it's historical development?
>>73934958
The rich get complacent, lose focus, and run out of ideas. The only way they hold onto power is because they pay lobbyists in the government to enforce regulations to keep other competitors out of the market. Just talking to a guy the other day, wanted to start brewing and selling his own beer out of his house. His regulations were going to cost 15 fucking grand to sell 6 packs.
>>73934988
It is the opposite of meritocracy. The born rich all go to Ivy League and get fancy jobs on wallstreet meanwhile everyone else can barley pay the bills despite working really hard.
>>73934988
>Parent gives money to son
>Owner of company gets a lot of money for sitting
In capitalism luck comes first, everything else is second
>>73935139
>You can't have small government and capitalism too.
>he fell for the big business requires big government meme
big business is product of big government, you absolute cretin
>>73930366
>do not support capitalism
are they freegans ?
>>73934877
>Virtue signalling on a poll
how was one virtue signal when you're an anonymous statistic?
>>73930460
Same, work in a government position as well.
Trump was only the beginning of the end of Liberal Bullshit
>>73935229
Not true. Corporations can easily continue to sell products and get richer until there is no more money to buy the product.
>>73935267
>>73935251
>This is what poor as fuck neets actually believe
I joined the military 6 weeks after finishing school. I have a 6 figure salary and 4 investment properties. Stop whining and fucking do something.
>>73935139
textbook socialism has never been tried on a large scale, making discussion of it fairly worthless.
>>73935200
bzzzt you're wrong try again
>>73933070
There is literally nothing wrong with socialism when it is restrained and guided by nationalism.
>>73935274
You're so moronic. Big business existed before government regulation MORON
>>73935373
that's because you work for the government. you are not contributing to the private market
>>73935391
>restrained
The only true socialism is nationalist.
>>73935445
name one bitch nigger
>>73930366
>say you don't support capitalism
>have a smart phone and wear latest brands of clothing
Actions define you, not words.
>>73935251
By working really hard as a janitor you are hardly contributing anything worthwhile, which is why you don't get rewarded.
The Ivy League rich brat makes a killing on Wall Street cause his job is important. If that is not a meritoracy then I don't know what is.
>>73935373
>WAHHHHHHHH PEOPLE TAKE MY TAXES THROUGH WELFARE WAHHHH
That's bullshit stop whining about us on welfare. You don't make 6 figures from the military and you can't just "invest" because the stock market is controlled by automated machines which make all the profits.
>>73935446
That has nothing to do with what I said. Building wealth has nothing to do with luck
>>73935478
United Fruit.
>>73935522
The fact that the rich brat gets the important job and not the janitor shows it's not a meritocracy.
>>73935373
>I had success this clearly means that success comes to those who deserve it
>>73930366
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-11/poultry-workers-in-diapers-as-bathroom-breaks-denied-oxfam-says
>Workers in plants run by the largest U.S. poultry producers are regularly being denied bathroom breaks and as a result some are reduced to wearing diapers while working on the processing line, Oxfam America said in a report Wednesday.
>“It’s not just their dignity that suffers: they are in danger of serious health problems,” said Oxfam America, the U.S. arm of the U.K.-based global development group. The group works for a “just world without poverty” and focuses on topics ranging from refugees in Greece to malnutrition.
>The report cited unnamed workers from Tyson Foods Inc., Pilgrim’s Pride Corp., Perdue Farms Inc. and Sanderson Farms Inc. who said that supervisors mock them, ignore requests and threaten punishment or firing. When they can go, they wait in long lines even though they are given limited time, sometimes 10 minutes, according to the report. Some workers have urinated or defecated themselves while working because they can’t hold on any longer, the report said. Some workers “restrict intake of liquids and fluids to dangerous degrees,” Oxfam said.
>>73930366
>ITT: rejecting capitalism means embracing communism
It's almost as if it's possible to rise above both materialist structures, but /pol/ is too stupid to do so.
I love how the educational system, made truly viable via capitalism, was then co-opted by marxists, and then used as some sort of weapon to destroy success.
>>73935634
>I'm a failure clearly this means success has everything to do with luck and nothing to do with my inaction.
>>73935200
I was wondering how exactly you think 'private' property and control are defined.
One person making all the decisions of how a factory is run is certainly 'private.' A group of people making those decisions is 'private' control.
So who are you able to exclude from making decisions to no longer be 'private'? There's 7 billion people on Earth. Is excluding even one of them from a piece of land or a decision to be made private property or private control?
>>73935522
You are omissing that the brat only got into an ivy league college because he is rich and then got a job on wall street because of his parents' connections.
>>73935138
That's an hilarious lack of self-awareness on your part, burgerfat. Reaganite policies have run America into the ground for decades and we can't unchain ourselves from them because the rich were allowed to get out of hand and now they control everything and it makes them money to destroy the country, so they ship all jobs over seas while STILL demanding lower wages for workers and importing illegals they can hire at slave wages, they spread pornography everywhere and make Americans addicts to unhealthy habits, they keep at constant war so they can make money, etc. The rich are destroying this nation, and the fucking retarded conservacunts can't eat their cum enough for it, meanwhile bitching that America is going to hell.
>>73935274
Wrong, you fucking idiot. That is literally a libertarian religious view, not fact. Big businesses cause big government. But that's not even the real issue because there is absolutely nothing wrong with a bigger government. The problem is the fact the rich own it. And YOUR fucking retarded policies caused this mess. Not anyone else's. You wanted a flat tax. Well we basically have one now - especially compared to what we had in the 50s. You wanted the rich to have greater freedom - hell they barely pay their taxes anymore because we keep letting them hide all their assets overseas. You wanted lower wages, welp we got that too. It's only recently that this $15 shit has been happening. For decades minimum wage was NOT keeping up with the cost of living. You dumb bastards have already gotten almost everything you want, and the more things go your way, the worse they get. You're just fucking morons who can only think in the moment and can't understand that history is something exists. If you did, you'd know that the 1800s were a time when things were even MORE the way you want them to be complete with ZERO environmental regulations, no unions, child labor, you fucking name it. And it was a fucking trainwreck.
>>73935358
No they can't become rich or powerful enough to maintain monopolies, unless they have the state as the strong arm to keep out competition.
>>73935463
>The only true socialism is nationalist.
Americans are such retards
>>73935626
The rich brat is qualified so he gets the job. If he underperforms he get replaced by another rich brat. What is the problem?
>>73935626
You also refuse to acknowledge the existence of natural superiority. The brat could do the job of the janitor, the janitor could not do the job of the brat.
>>73935635
I do not buy anything from these companies, even before this, there are wierd complaints about them as long as our highways.
>>73935562
>The United Fruit Company was frequently accused of bribing government officials in exchange for preferential treatment
Can't bribe anyone for special treatment if the government has no power to regulate the free market
thanks for playing
Are we now seeing the results of cultural Marxism?
>>73935641
sure, you're totally not stupid
>>73935679
Education system was created by a Socialist government dumbass.
>>73935391
Political power being as addictive as cocaine. Yea no, only good system is national libertarianism.
>>73935742
So tell us, oh great retard, how are corporations magically prevented from buying up state power and using that to leapfrog to greater and greater power and wealth accumulation? Libertardians can never answer this. Your problem is you fucking morons believe we live in a world we don't and totally ignore the one we do live in.
>>73930366
National Syndicalist reporting in
>>73935742
Yeah they can, look at Wallmart. They drive out competition by lowering prices
>>73935758
Oh my God you're retarded. A fancy chart doesn't prove shit.
>>73935842
>sure, you're totally not stupid
Nice rebuttal. Don't you have a fire to put out?
>>73935759
He's qualified because he got a good education, the education should of been given to someone who deserved it.
>>73935534
>stock market is the only place for investment
>>73934159
"Stupid and worthless" what a compelling argument
>>73935778
The janitor could be an investment banker if he got the education, he wasn't given one like the rich brat.
>>73935711
He gets the job, because he is qualified. If he is only employed because of nepotism and is underperforming, then his employer puts himself at a disadvantage in relation to his competition, who employ based on merit and who will beat him on the market.
>>73935842
>Education system was created by a Socialist government dumbass.
And the private sector made it much better, dildo. Try reading the full post next time.
Corporatism is the best
>>73935740
>But that's not even the real issue because there is absolutely nothing wrong with a bigger government
>there's nothing wrong with government consuming 50 percent of the national income
>there's nothing wrong with people working six months out of the year to fund the expenditures of government
>>73935815
Ok that's true, but workers were payed a lot less in 1860
>>73935929
Who deserves education?
>>73935759
>Fantasy: the post
>>73935693
>I was wondering how exactly you think 'private' property and control are defined.
private property is defined in law and is based on the ability to exclude others with the backing of the state, the legitimate purveyor of violence.
Decision making and ownership are two related, but different, issues. In a socialist model, the workers would be the decision makers and the community-at-large (the commons, the commonwealth, etc etc) would be it's owners.
>>73935960
You are assuming that the janitor is as intelligent as the brat. Such an assumption is idiotic. But hey, Good Will Hunting proved every janitor is some sort of savant. Keep dreaming, comrade.
>>73935899
sure totally
>>73935934
Well where else can you invest? Unless your friends want you to give them money
>>73934159
you are stupid and worthless. Your comment proves all Germans are dumb and stupid.
>>73935964
stfu stupid, not everyone can afford private education.
>>73936003
The janitor.
>>73935850
So...you're admitting that your issue is with the government, because it can be the strong arm to a corporations agenda? As I've grown I know that Anarcho-capitalism system will never work with such a low IQ. I think going back to where our country was first started is the way to go. Senate elected by state legislators, nightmarish punishment, for bribing politicians, corporations cannot make donations to political campaigns. 2 Term limits for all gov positions, get rid of the party system (at least in it's current form).
>>73936129
why?
>all these NEET anti-capitalists
>>73936101
>sure totally
You're continually proving you have no argument.
Most millennials seem to favour communism over here.
Are we going to be heading into some kind of war over this in our lifetime?
>>73930366
I'm millennial and i'm fascist
Capitalism is for the jews
>>73936055
who manages the property then?
>inb4 the government
>>73935693
>>73936055
And to add to this - in capitalism ownership and decision-making have been divided ever since the development of the joint stock corporation and the emergence of the absentee shareholder class.
>>73930366
I'm 25. And I hate a solid majority of people I meet my age. They're stupid as fuck.
>>73935692
I didn't say luck is all that matters, just that it's the most deciding factor.
Younger you could have chosen a different road he deemed just as prosperous and ended up in failure
Or, pretending you joined the military without predicting you would have gotten rich, your choice didn't have merit.
Unless you predicted you would have gotten where you are, how are you supposed to deserve the outcome?
>>73936101
>stfu stupid, not everyone can afford private education.
Consider the fact that public education is not inherently cheaper. It is funded by people who pay a ridiculous sum that they will never see a return on. Private education is known to be superior in every way, especially in the earlier years.
>>73930366
>>The Harvard University survey
Fucking dropped
OF course they're going to say most of X agrees with their agenda. Harvard is the dark heart of radical leftism.
>>73936172
Because he works his butt off while the rich brat was just born into a position of wealth.
>>73936187
Jews support capitalism idiot
>>73936188
>dont you have a fire to put out
Proof you don't have an argument and all americans are stupid.
>>73936243
>Harvard is the dark heart of radical leftism.
Hahahaha fucking hell have you any idea how funny this is?
>>73935740
>they barely pay their taxes anymore because we keep letting them hide all their assets overseas
>letting them
Nigger have you ever heard of a Laffer curve? the rich don't pay taxes because taxes in this country are outrageous
your knowledge of history is severely flawed. Government has been expanding steadily since the 1930s. That's a global phenomenon, but localized to the United States it has been catastrophic. There is almost nothing wrong with this country that can't be traced directly back to the meddling and mistakes of government.
You name it, government is at fault
Crime? Government
Poverty? Government
Unemployment? Government
Obesity? Government
Stupidity? Government
Terrorism? Government
National debt? Government
Inflation? Take a wild guess
>>73930366
Yeah, and I bet all of those kids are also against free speech. Where the fuck did that come from?
>>73935897
>what is corprate welfare
>what is cheap shit made by china
>what are regulations making other shops extremely difficult to open up
Etc etc. What you're pointing out is still issue with government the only thing that true libertarianism cannot account for in what you just said is cheap shit/labor from foreign countries. That's where the balance of nationalism comes into play.
>>73936001
pretty sure everyone was paid a lot less in 1860. That's called inflation anon
>>73936225
Well if we privatize education it will further a wealth gap
>>73936243
Bullshit. Harvard takes tons of money from big corporation and pumps out wallstreet executives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inkv7xMAvCU
>>73936267
So, someone deserves education and to be put in position of power just because he works hard janitoring?
How is that meritocracy?
How the fuck would you even define Capitalism? I'd imagine most American millennials believe in a Market Economy. I'm not opposed to nationalizing healthcare, but otherwise I don't believe anything can take Capitalism's place.
>18 year old millenials
The "millenials" are classified as anyone that was school aged at the millenium
They checked "reject capitalism" on a survey taken on their iPhone while they watched NetFlix on a 60" TV and sipped a Starbucks.
Millenials are a joke.
Most intelligent, liberal college kids have always rejected capitalism. And why shouldn't they? They're still young and full of vigor, they think they can change the world - and frankly, on paper, socialism makes perfect sense.
But give these kids 5-10 years in the real world, and their altruism will steadily dwindle until it's something they can't even bear to think about anymore, lest they must face their own hypocrisy in the mirror.
Hating capitalism is a standard phase. Go ahead, all you arch-conservatives of /pol/ - act like you didn't hate capitalism when you were young, broke, and living under Daddy's protection.
>>73936482
>How the fuck would you even define Capitalism?
Private ownership of the means of production
>>73936267
>Proof you don't have an argument and all americans are stupid
Considering I started with a premise and you responded with no rebuttal outside of ad hominem I'll say it again: You have no argument. I'll take this thought further with the premise that leafposters should be region banned since they do nothing except compete with Straya for the shitposting crown.
>>73936331
HAHAHA ur funny
>>73936344
BULLSHIT! They paid it in the 50s when there was a 92% income tax.
>>73936424
voucher system pham
put the bad private schools AND the bad public schools out of business
>>73936267
>Jews support capitalism idiot
This isn't a millennial thing, it's an age thing. Once they get their first big boy job and pay taxes, they'll realize how great capitalism is.
>>73936482
>I'm not opposed to nationalizing healthcare
why? healthcare not expensive enough for you yet?
>>73936055
And you don't think it's a problem that nobody can be excluded from decisions that have an enormous effect on your life and little to no effect on theirs?
You think it's okay to have idiots, criminals and thugs having as much control over your life as you do?
>>73936424
>Harvard takes tons of money from big corporation and pumps out wallstreet executives.
Exactly? Monopolistic corporations love a giant and powerful State, it gives them more power. Do you think corporations love the free market or something? They want to reduce competition as much as possible, its not a surprise they would advocate for big government.
>>73936482
You are ok with putting bureaucrats in charge of 1/5 of the economy?
>>73930484
Apple will be nationalized.
>>73930460
>anything socialist
>any time
Bleach is the best mouth-wash anon.
>>73935815
So we should just get rid of the government...so corporations can just rule directly! Yeah! Why are all libertarians so moronic and illogical? This is exactly like the claim that the way to fix the immigration problem is to lower wages to unsurvivable levels.
>>73935962
>then his employer puts himself at a disadvantage in relation to his competition
And NOBODY ever does that, right? No way. Nobody in the history of the species has ever given a job to an incompetent relative and ensured they kept it, despite them not being qualified to do the job and a constant history of fuck ups. Are you literally not from the planet Earth?
>>73935978
>there's nothing wrong with government consuming 50 percent of the national income
Hell, that's nothing. The banks took in an entire decade of tax revenues when they were bailed out. And the only reason the government is so bloated is 1: the MIC and 2: the rich don't pay their fair share into SS and medicare. There's a cap on how much you pay in and the rich burn through that in about the first week of the year.
>there's nothing wrong with people working six months out of the year to fund the expenditures of government
Are you implying the tax rate is 50% for anyone? I'm not sure what you're saying here.
>>73936164
Not unless you're admitting that the problem in a murder case is the gun, you retarded faggot. Libertarianism is literally a religion. That's why you retards can't use logic.
>Hurr if corporations are using the government to abuse everything, let's just take away the government!
>Senate elected by state legislators, nightmarish punishment, for bribing politicians, corporations cannot make donations to political campaigns
So you admit that the rich are the problem and we should stop letting them have undue influence over government. Well, this is certainly a first for a crapitalist.
>>73936533
a few poor smucks paid it. the rest took home earnings in the form of capital gains. money was harder to move around back then too.
>>73936055
Image made by people who don't understand how business works.
Which makes sense. Communists are idiots that think the sub-90 IQ janitor can run a fortune 500 business if he just wasn't under the thumb of some thieving fatcat capitalist.
>>73936443
So someone deserves a good education for being born. Literally they were just born in a rich family.
>>73936436
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>73936642
>ask for a smaller government
>top laff so you're an anarchist amirite?
every time
>>73936494
You dislike socialism yet walking on public sidewalk yet paying taxes yet using public roads yet paying into social security. You're literally a joke.
>>73936494
>They checked "reject capitalism" on a survey taken on their iPhone while they watched NetFlix on a 60" TV and sipped a Starbucks.
>They rejected feudalism whilst utilizing farming techniques pionnered in medievel europe to feed themselves and helped themselves to stately homes despite not being aristocrats!
>the bourgeoisie, circa 1800
>>73936642
>a few poor smucks paid it. the rest took home earnings in the form of capital gains. money was harder to move around back then too.
I'm not a libertarian myself, but that is a fucking strawman. Decentralization isn't the same thing as abolishment. You are strawmanning libertarians as anarchists.
>>73932905
That is pretty closed-minded.
>>73936642
tax rate is irrelvant m8. the real tax on the american people is total government spending. period. if government spends 500 billion, we pay every dime. doesn't matter how much they raise in taxes. they make up the difference through borrowing and inflation
Capitalism is fine. Globalism is the problem.
Millennials choose their battles poorly. Ironically they support the very globalist policies that are the real cause of their unsatisfactory lives.
>>73936560
>first big boy job and pay taxes
You have to be born to a rich family with connections to get those since 2008.
>>73930366
Well. It was a good run. I'll just go get my gun.
Unrelatedly, remember how Frank went out in
GOD BLESS AMERICA
>>73936642
>And NOBODY ever does that, right? No way. Nobody in the history of the species has ever given a job to an incompetent relative and ensured they kept it, despite them not being qualified to do the job and a constant history of fuck ups. Are you literally not from the planet Earth?
Of course they do, but by doing so they potentially put themselves out of business. It's not a quick process and it won't necessarily happen, since there are a lot of factors at play.
I don't see what is your problem with people employing incompetent people. It's their money.
>>73936580
But I'm a socialist and don't believe in government. Chief explained it to me really well.
>>73930366
Can I get a job at shoving millennials into the ovens?
>>73936101
>Well where else can you invest?
Really?
How old are you?
>>73936642
>>73936792
Greentexted the wrong thing, woops
>>Hurr if corporations are using the government to abuse everything, let's just take away the government!
>>73936792
what in the hell are you talking about?
people's willingness to pay takes fluctuates with the tax rate and what the money is supposedly being spent on. back in the 1950s we didn't have this fucking redistribution welfare mess. that started in the 1960s
>these are the leaders of our future
Just fucking kill me already.
>>73930954
> Implying capitalism = right wing
>>73936653
No. Eisenhower loved targeting those rich jerks.
>>73936642
It's limiting it, and there are still laws that must be enforced. There was a town in texas that completely privatized their police force and it is doing wonders. Rich are the problem when the gun is available to them. You take the gun away and force them to compete you even the odds. There's no way big businesses could keep their competition out of the market if they didn't have the state. Will there always be corruption? Yes, but you have laws that make it nightmarish to attempt. You think I'm saying get rid of the government entirely, it's limiting it to the smallest amount possible, and have it be driven by nationalism, and protection of competition.
>>73936868
>I'm a socialist and don't believe in government.
What the fuck does this even mean?
>>73936702
They don't deserve it. They can afford it, so they get it. It's not like the janitor will be denied if he saves up for it.
>>73936810
No it's capitalism.
>>73936907
I misquoted.
>>73936436
maya really wants that niggers dick
>>73936565
It should be a public service. It is the cost of a civil society.
>>73936878
24. I don't really know that much my chief explained it to me the best he could but I think I understand.
>>73936978
He thinks that left libertarianism is possible rather than being mutually exclusive.
>socialism
>well being and progress of the people being priority
>capitalism
>the ability for corporations to generate as much profit as possible
NOT ME ASSHOLE
I'm still all for capitalism and we need it. It's good stuff.
>>73936576
>And you don't think it's a problem that nobody can be excluded from decisions
Well that's a situation that exists to a great extent in capitalism already - the general public have no power to make decisions over privately controlled businesses, but I digress, since in a socialist society the idea is to extend the principles of democracy into the economic sphere, rather than leaving the economy in the hands of unaccountable private tryannies and oligarchs, so decision making about specific functions in production would be made by workers, in their own democratic institutions. Trade unions were originally meant to be the basis of this sort of decision making apparatus, the same with anarcho-syndicalism and co-ops, and the emergence of this network of "para-state apparatus" would take over the day-to-day decision making the state does, and is what leads to the Marxist idea of the state "withering away" as it's role becomes obsolete.
There would be infinitely more democracy in the economy than under capitalism but this would be by no means a free-for-all.
>>73937111
choose.
>>73936978
I'm a true socialist.
>>73936985
>they can afford it so they get it
That's why we need to change the system so they can't get it.
>>73937137
Socialism does not mean anti private property or markets.
>>73930366
>reject capitalism
>buy new iphone
this is the world we live in lads
>>73936055
Whoa, this isn't propaganda. >>;
>>73937165
I don't see how that would be meritocratic, which is what the argument was about.
>>73936690
>Communists are idiots that think the sub-90 IQ janitor can run a fortune 500 business
You don't need to be smart to inherit money and you don't get paid a dividend based on your IQ. Plenty of stupid billionaires out there.
>Commiefags and socialism niggers STILL cannot come to a consensus and what communism or socialism means
LOW ENERGY
>>73936868
>>73936821
just shut up you fucking moron, you're making canada look even more retarded. I often wonder how we were stupid enough to vote trudeau in but then an idiot like you shows up.
>>73937197
>reject capitalism
>in favor of building houses for my national race comrades.
>>73930366
Bernie supporters are literally the stupidest motherfuckers on the planet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqAm2BG_Ouk
>>73936793
Not really, it's true. Where's everyone going to work aside from being robot makers? Unless everyone on the planet is employed in the tech industry huge socialist reform is inevitable.
>>73937197
>reject socialism
>pay into social security
>reject socialism
>drive on roads
LOL
>>73937223
Because it's not meritocratic to be given something because of who you were born to. Besides as a poor Polish person you should be on my side.
>>73936978
>What the fuck does this even mean?
It means your definition of socialism is based on hysterical 1930's red-scare propaganda and mendacious talk radio bullshit. In other words you're an American.
They don't reject the principles of a free market economy, they know the word "capitalism" as a buzzword
I'm also curious as to where Harvard got the students they sampled
If they sampled the sheltered, liberal rich kids that make up the majority of ivy league student bodies, of course you're going to arrive at that result
>>73930366
Who cares. As soon as they get jobs they'll flip flop like the boomers did while their younger siblings grow to hate them and become greedy shitstains ushering in the new 80's.
>>73937308
My priority is the well being of the people, not any ideology past this, what ever gets me more houses, factories, and farms to give to my people the better.
>>73937276
I voted Muclair idiot. You're so fucking stupid
>>73937197
This, really. Millennials are fucking retards, no surprise really, anyone raised by boomers is bound to be fucked up. Both generations happily believing in contradictions.
This is why we can't have nice things. The cognitive dissonance of the majority will always outnumber those with consistent political beliefs (whether on the right or left).
>>73937381
>As soon as they get jobs
I think I've found the flaw in your cunning plan baldrick
>>73930366
50% of harvard students are mexican intellectuals and niggers.
>>73936690
This
They don't have anything worth losing yet. That's why. They don't understand what it feels like for something of value to be taken or lost.
They are ok with taking other people's shit until it happens to them.
>>73934600
Mexico
>>73937366
>free market economy
I have no problem with people having the rights to their production and work, my concern is with the ownership of the production and the distribution of the profits.
>>73937240
Of course, sweetie pie. :)
You're just poor and a loser because mommy and daddy didn't get money inherited from their parents. And no dividends for you, what a crime. Poor baby.
>>73937240
And if they weren't protected by the government they'd lose their billions. Just look at what happened in 08, all those stupid banks should have failed, but nope because of our ever increasing socialist economy they were "TOO BIG TOO FAILLLLL!!!!"
>>73937428
Fellow socialist?
>>73937440
You're so retarded. You reject socialism yet drive public roads. Also you pay taxes, a SOCIALIST concept.
>>73937469
STFU you're stupid.
>>73937308
I'm not poor, I live extremely comfortable life over here, thanks to capitalism, which rewards me for my software writing skills.
Meritocracy is not about whether you deserve what you get. It's about rewarding according to individual's contributions. Which capitalism absolutely does in the long term.
>>73937477
I don't want to take anyone's things, it is completely unnecessary unless absolutely needed for the greater good of the nation.
>>73937186
What does it mean then? Because Captialism is for private property, and private markets.
>>73937580
I am a socialist yes, a Marxist no.
>>73937440
>Millennials are fucking retards
No, you're a retard, for thinking that owning an iphone invalidates someones criticism of capitalism.
Guess what, every morsel of food they've ever eaten since the day they were born was purchsed via a market as a commodity and sold at a profit to benefit the capitalist property-owner of whichever business produced it - does that mean only people who live on sunlight and oxygen and live like one of the characters from Rust can criticise capitalism without being a hypocrit?
What about people like Adam Smith, who lived in a predominantly feudal society, does the fact that he wrote the definitive early study of market forces yet owed his livelihood to the feudal system mean that all classical economics can be dismissed too?
>>73937308
Do we have a choice to not pay into social security? Because I sure as fuck wouldn't if I didn't have to.
>>73936496
i was never a communist but i went through the phase of "communism is the ideal it's just not applicable"
not i believe communism is neither applicable, not ideal
>>73937617
>I'm not poor, I live extremely comfortable life over here, thanks to capitalism, which rewards me for my software writing skills.
I thought Poland is really poor?
>Meritocracy is not about whether you deserve what you get. It's about rewarding according to individual's contributions. Which capitalism absolutely does in the long term.
Well in the long run socialism will work because there is more potential in everyone getting an education than some dumbass rich fags like bush.
>>73937681
Do we have a choice not to buy capitalistic products? NO! We have to buy things in order to survive like food. So stop using that argument.
>>73937650
Nice, I'm an anarcho-Primitive.
>>73937617
>I'm not poor, I live extremely comfortable life over here, thanks to capitalism, which rewards me for my software writing skills.
Hey pole bro, just curious what the software dev job market is like in Poland? I graduate next year and thinking of leaving the British Caliphate to somewhere white. Heard Estonia has a booming tech industry but would certainly consider Poland.
>>73937562
>And if they weren't protected by the government they'd lose their billions. Just look at what happened in 08, all those stupid banks should have failed, but nope because of our ever increasing socialist economy they were "TOO BIG TOO FAILLLLL!!!!"
Yes, George W Bush, Alan Greenspan, the entire republican party, wall street and the media are all socialists fighting to destroy capitalism.
Bailing out the banks is the 101 textbook capialist thing to do. States constantly bail out private businesses, and when the banking system goes under they're more than happy to engage in massive state intervention in order to preserve the capitalist system.
It just means that when they talk about the efficiencis brought by capitalism, about how the risk is an incentive etc, that you should recognise it as insincere horseshit, something that might apply to the mom & pop store but doesn't apply to the powerful vested interests who actually run the economy.
>>73937631
Capitalism is for what ever forces can dominate the spheres of power and do what ever they want, Socialism is for the domination of these powers and leading the nation for the well being and prosperity of the people, the well being of YOU is priority not the profit someone can produce.
>>73937808
You wouldn't have to buy food in a capitalist system, you could grow it yourself?
>>73937139
I think democracy is about the stupidest concept imaginable, so that doesn't do much for me.
The whole point of a well regulated business is that it's forbidden from causing harm to the general public. Aggression is prohibited, externalities are corrected. Obviously this requires a competent and effective government with a sophisticated legal framework, and the ways in which a large corporation can degrade society can be subtle, but so it goes in the world we live in. The point is that the citizen has no reason to justify demanding control if the business is doing nothing to harm him.
>>73937653
>No, you're a retard, for thinking that owning an iphone invalidates someones criticism of capitalism.
But they don't just own it. They depend on it. It makes up so much of their identity that they cannot even imagine their life without it. The iPhone is literally what Marcuse would have described as the ultimate false need. I maintain that no socialist would ever have an iPhone.
>>73937617
>I'm not poor, I live extremely comfortable life over here, thanks to capitalism, which rewards me for my software writing skills.
You've got about 5-10 years before you're totally obsolete.
>>73937887
All the good land is bought up.
>>73937877
that isn't capitalism
are you high, or twelve?
>>73937860
Once again I was a Ron Paul supporter, I hate the bushes and everyone that was apart of that presidency. That is not a 101 capitalist thing to do, that's the complete opposite. Do you even know what capitalism is? You invest into something and if it works out, you make money. If it doesn't work out then it's your ass that has to make up the difference or if you had a deal worked out with someone. You really don't know what it is do you?
>>73937948
You're stupid.
>>73937970
>Marcuse
You depend on roads, you are a socialist you just don't know it.
>>73937975
How? He writes software that replaces others jobs.
>>73938015
stfu 12 year old
>>73937970
Socialists as in someone who doesn't believe in a system that allows homeless, unemployed and people starving to exist?
>>73937948
>I think democracy is about the stupidest concept imaginable, so that doesn't do much for me.
Edgy
>>73937948
>The whole point of a well regulated business is that it's forbidden from causing harm to the general public
Define harm.
>>73937948
>the citizen has no reason to justify demanding control if the business is doing nothing to harm him.
The citizen can demand whatever he/she wants and doesn't have to accept an arbitrary set of standards preventing him from doing so.
>>73937877
That literally is the opposite of capitalism. WTF are you even talking about right now?
>>73937860
Don't pretend you support mom & pop stores.
You like them only when they're miserably unsuccessful, then call them thieving capitalists when they become massively successful.
The only time people like you are happy, truly happy, is when everyone is as miserable, and destitute as you are.
To you it's a crime when only a few can manage to succeed, so you push for a society in which nobody can succeed, so that we may all be equal while living in the muck together.
>>73938072
topkek trying to turn my insult around on me
when will cuckadians lean they are irrelevant and their precious socialism can't even put out a fire
>>73937975
>You've got about 5-10 years before you're totally obsolete.
I'm sick of people who know fuck all about the industry pretending that this is true.
No, our skills aren't going to be automated, no Pajeet isn't going to replace all of us, and no there aren't a flood of people about to enter the industry.
>>73937285
That's bullshit, commie ideals is grow the cancer in society (feminism, immigration etc).
>>73937308
But I get no choice, do I?
>>73937653
Again, no choice. But I mentioned the iphone for a reason. You don't have to buy the new iphone, it's just consumerism. It's fully embracing the capitalist system without even being aware of it.
>>73938150
When will you learn capitalism doesn't work.
>>73938162
You know fuck all.
>>73938224
>When will you learn capitalism doesn't work.
Where is the proof? Did it dissapear with the fall of the USSR or something? Face it- capitalism gets results, great results.
>>73937976
You would own your own property, and could learn from what other people did. For instance what amazonians did to make their land so fertile, or use nitrate in the soil. What is your alternative?
>>73937681
no one would, and that's the whole problem.
with social security you are not in any way setting aside for your own retirement. what you are doing is paying taxes TODAY to finance the subsidies being paid out TODAY.
>>73936565
Americans have the most expensive healthcare by far in the world. ANd it's not even the best.
>>73936602
They already are
>>73938192
Once again, those are entities reinforced by government, so what?
>>73938192
Big Government was supposed to prevent this, but instead allowed it.
This is the same government that all of you expect to handle net neutrality, using the same government agency which allowed the television, and radio media to become owned by only a handful of people.
For shame.
>>73938202
>That's bullshit, commie ideals is grow the cancer in society (feminism, immigration etc).
Equal rights feminism from the 20s, yeah, not SJWism. And the USSR was against immigration and very anti-immigration, they built walls.
>But I get no choice, do I?
And I have no choice to buy shit from the capitalist market.
>
>>73938315
which is why world leaders come to america for healthcare right? it's why america leads the universe in medical research, right?
>>73938315
no shit. we have the most medical and pharmaceutical regulations in the world
>>73937725
>I thought Poland is really poor?
If you get stuck in a low paying industry or low qualified jobs, then yeah it's pretty shitty.
If you climb the ladder in IT sector or finance or whatever, you can live on par with western middle class no problem.
State funded education doesn't work, since it quality drops down significantly, because of lack of competition. I know, since we have it here.
>>73938072
>How? He writes software that replaces others jobs.
De-skilling and automation, primarily, with outsourcing as a secondary pressure. Introduce noob-friendly programming tools and languages which someone from India can use for 1/10th the wages my Polish friend here has. I've seen the early stages of this already. Certain professions (Lawyers, Accountants, Managers, Secretaries, Programmers etc etc) that most people would not associated with technological unemployment are going to get fucking hammered in the next few decades, just watch and see.
The de-skilling and obsolesence of white collar clerical work is currently outpacing the decline of blue collar work according to the 2014 study on the topic by McKinsey Global Insitute.
Of course, just like with the Luddites of all, new jobs will replace the old ones, only there's no promise that they'll be well paid, offer him any degree of autonomy, have any security and competition is likely to be fierce.
>>73935897
Mfw statistics don't don't prove shit
>>73938288
LOL no it causes economic depression. Keynesianism temporary saved it but that was temporary.
>>73938314
Right, so why can't I save for my own retirement instead of paying into a system...because...reasons?
>>73938483
but where is the proof?
>>73938307
You need to learn I still have to buy the land from the government and that requires capital. I also will need to sell my food to buy clothing and I will be competing against automated farming. All these problems wouldn't exist in socialism.
>>73938397
Sure totally.
>>73938117
>Don't pretend you support mom & pop stores.
I'm not I'm just pointing out the ridiculous double standard and how the same people who would gladly bail out a bank to preseve confidence in financial capitalism would have no problem seeing an actually half-useful small business get destroyed, and would justify and defend that with the usual inane platitudes about capitalism and risk and incentive etc etc.
Face it, the state's job in a capitalist is to maintain the system, first priority, even if that means abandoning core principles that the little people, the suckers, the ideologues, have been told are sacred over and over again.
Everything else you said was an hysterical Ameri-rant based on cold war era cliches and talk radio bullshit.
>>73938437
It doesn't because it had nothing to do with what we were talking about, it just showed revenue.
>>73938407
>climb the finance latter
Really? Here in Canada you need to go to Ivy to climb any latter and even then you need to move to NY to get a good paying job.
>>73938388
>muh suffragettes dindu nuffin meme
>>73938098
It's the truth. I thought democracy was stupid when I was eight, I thought it was stupid when I was sixteen, and I think it's stupid now. I can literally not remember a single occasion when I've observed anything I'd call intelligence from a collective group.They best I can hope for is people parroting the right decisions for the wrong reasons.
> The citizen can demand...
Yes, that's why our world is a world of locks, of walls, of handcuffs and prison cells, of patrolling police and of firearms. To keep that from happening.
I mean, people can 'demand' whatever they please, obviously. Those tools are all in place to keep those demands from meaning anything.
>>73938162
>No, our skills aren't going to be automated
Why not? Is computer programming exempt from the processes that every other sector of employment is subject top?
>>73938525
The proof is the Great Depression, 2008, the economy we have today.
>>73938649
And all you do is repeat the same horseshit from your uni professors that "True Communism/Socialism" hasn't been tried, and it would totally work! Honest!
>>73938202
>You don't have to buy the new iphone, it's just consumerism. It's fully embracing the capitalist system without even being aware of it.
Purchasing an iphone is "fully embracing the capitalist system" more than literally surviving by buying food via the capitalist market economy? How so?
>>73931047
IT'S A BIG ONE
>>73937829
Well, if you want to develop sw for consumer market then there aren't really many companies that do that.
But there are shit ton of database managment jobs and the like. It's not hard to land a job, but the market is very competitive, student exploitation, death march crunches and all that shit, so if you are not used to that, it might be a little unpleasant. Also the entry pay will be shit, until you earn your stripes.
Can't really recommend it to britbong in a good conscience, unless you really want to escape the prophet that much.
>>73938803
then kill yourself
>>73938732
>I thought it was stupid when I was sixteen, and I think it's stupid now
That's because you've not finished puberty.
>>73938762
bzzt try again trudon't
>>73938939
Lol ok
>>73938796
You have a really strange paranoid idea of what my education was like and further more made no attempt to answer my points, engaging in this bizarre non sequiter.
>>73938718
Are you saying they don't deserve equal rights?
>>73938732
Democracy is a sham when you bring universal suffrage into the picture.
If voting were severely limited to only those that have some skin the game, things would change drastically.
>>73939016
You have the politics of a self-consciously edgy 16 year old.
>>73939052
>Democracy
>If voting were severely limited
>>73938878
Hopefully you have cancer
>>73938939
ur in puberty
>>73939016
sure totally
>>73938963
go fuck yourself
>>73939072
pic related is you
>>73938762
>Freddie may, and freddie mac weren't protected by the government
>Alan greenspan's monetary policy wasn't backed by the government
>What are interest rates decided by the FED
>What is Bush's affordable housing
Jesus man do you know anything?
>>73938417
>Introduce noob-friendly programming tools and languages which someone from India can use for 1/10th the wages my Polish friend here has.
Literally already happened and still isn't really making an effect. Programming is already highly abstracted, you couldn't really make it any easier. And even if you did, who is going to write those tools? That's right, real developers.
Indians are shit tier devs. Companies that left to set up India are coming back in droves after realising this. Literally half my freelance work is fixing shit that an Indian attempted to make.
The fact is no matter how simplified the tools get it's always going to require a certain type of mind to program. Most Indians don't have it, and no matter how much they attempt to push learning it in school it's always going to be a tiny minority who actually take to it.
In fact, this upcoming generation is as technologically inept as boomers. They use vtech tier technology. At least we grew up having to use computers, forcing us to become technologically literate. Computer science in our country is studied less than it was a decade ago, despite increased demand and a larger overall student population. Seriously, it'll be a tech market crash to make us poor, it's certainly coming from dumbed down tools or saturation of talent.
>>73939122
lmao so fiesty do you put up that much fight when a somali tries to fiddle your middle?
>>73932905
>universal income is the only option goyium
How about entertaining other ideas, negative income tax? Dozens of other options.
Nah just universal basic income, my professor told me so.
>>73938747
>Why not? Is computer programming exempt from the processes that every other sector of employment is subject top?
We're exempt because we're making the tools.
>>73939038
They don't.
>>73939038
It looks like that's exactly what he's saying.
>>73939017
Oh look. Making demands for some specific treatment just because you belched out something you think is worthwhile.
You definitely are a Communist.
Here's your answer: The job of the "state" in any type of economic, or government system is to, I kid you not, maintain the system. Because it would be a very bad idea to just force all government to remain static despite changes in socio-political environments over time.
However that does not mean that they should become Capitalist because a bunch of losers like you think it's unfair that someone is rich, and you are not.
There's your fucking answer, Commie.
>>73939173
Without constantly pumping money into the economy there would be a permanent depression. My Chief said the expansion of money is what keeps the economy afloat, too much and you get inflation, not enough and you get a slug. If we had the gold standard with our current productivity the economy would be trash.
>>73931047
>Millennials are the most educated generation
congrats on a 4 yr degree with subjects that 8th graders had in 1880. Just because millennials sit in a classroom listening to Marxist theology does not mean they are the most educated just because their professor told them so.
>>73939280
Sure totally, just because your prof doesn't want you thinking about socialism means you totally shouldn't look into it.
>>73939301
I typo'd this post.
Whoops.
>>73939204
>iterally already happened and still isn't really making an effect.
It's contributing to keeping wages down and currently in it's earliest possible stages.
You're like the lancashire mill worker who saw the first steam engine and thought "nah, it'll never catch on" trust me, give it time. Might not be instantly, might be a very gradual process, but it will happen.
The biggest overhead these companies have is paying their staff, cos their staff need to be skilled. Whichever company can de-skill and automate the quickest will have a competetive advantage and will end up dominating the marketplace. Thus, they will heavily invest in new technologies and systems in order to remove this dependency on skilled human labour. It works the same in any industry.
