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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-13/scenes-venezuela-apocalypse-countless-wounded-after-5000-loot-supermarket-looking-fo

Over the last several years we have documented with clockwork regularity Venezuela's collapse into failed state status, which was cemented several weeks ago when news hit that "Venezuela had officially run out of money to print new money." At that point the best one could do was merely to step back and watch as local society and civilization turned on itself, unleashing what would ultimately turn into Venezuela's own, sad apocalypse.

As we wrote then these are simply hungry Venezuelans protesting that their children are dying from lack of food and medicine and that they do not have enough water or electricity. As AgainstCronyCapitalism added, this is a country with more oil than Saudi Arabia, and the government has stolen all the money and now they bottleneck peaceful protesters and threaten them with bombs (or haul them to prison and torture them).
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Who do you think would make a worse leader, a truck driver or a drama teacher?
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They felt the bern
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>>73921248
>AgainstCronyCapitalism

Are they trying to imply muh real socialism isn't at fault here?
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>>73922916
Drama teacher.
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>>73922916
Bernie sanders
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>>73921248
BERNIE BERNIE BERNIE BERNIE
BERNIE BERNIE BERNIE BERNIE
BERNIE BERNIE BERNIE BERNIE
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>>73922916
He was a bus driver, and he's had a good few years to play with his country, Trudy's not even finished his first year.

Let's look at Canada in a few years after all of the oil money is gone and then we can judge whether dank weed man or dank bird talker man is a worse leader.
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>>73921248
REAL SOCIALISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED BEFORE
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The beauty of socialism
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how much of this is chavez's fault

I know nothing about the country
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>>73923271
the current leader literally claimed a little bird told him how to run the country
the bird was chavez's ghost
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>>73923007
>They felt the bern
>>73923036
>Are they trying to imply muh real socialism isn't at fault here?

Well said.
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>>73923036
Yep
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>>73921248
daily reminder, maduro endorsed bernie for president
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>>73923370
Why hasn't bernie been arrested yet? That kike doesn't deserve the be living quite frankly
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>>73921248
>shit skins dying of starvation. .


I fail to see the issue here
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>>73921248
Again, HOW BAD AT MATH, DO YOU HAVE TO BE, to be an OIL PRODUCING COUNTRY, AND BE BROKE?!
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>>73923779
The commie leaders stole billions from the oil reserves. Venezuela is kill
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>>73921248

venezuela, 1950. 4th highest gdp per capita in the world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCuG5xPmaAo

communism not even once
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>>73922916
At least the truck driver has the knowledge and experience that comes with doing hard work
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>>73923779
Socialistically bad.
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>>73923036
>>73923329
>>73923350
That's clearly a reference to a user name or website you stupid fucks.

>>73923271
Chavez did most of the legwork over his last decade but mr. bus driver is a turboretard.
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>>73923913
he """""worked""""" as a bus driver means he was involved in the bus drivers union which is how he got into politics. He probably doesn't even have a drivers license.

>Durante su labor como conductor, inicia su carrera política al convertirse en un sindicalista no oficial que representaba a conductores de autobuses del Metro de Caracas.29
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>>73921248
More proof that socialism kills.

Christ, if I lived there I would high tail it into the mountains and live life as a grizzly man. Eating bugs and washing in mud would give you a better quality of life than communism/socialism.
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>>73921248

I hope we at least get to see cool combat footage like in Syria
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>>73923271

are you a retard? 100%. mr busdriver only has like 3 years, it was the previous decade that cemetned the corruption, giving away oil to poor for pandering, (pander to nearby cunts' socialist parties as well as cuba) his daughter has a networth of 4 billion and lives in new york, that should give you an idea
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Capitalism killed Venezuela, guys. Read a book.
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>>73923007
>>73923065
>>73923109
Guys pls, I don't support Bernie but please don't compare him to these banana republic orangutans
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>>73924676
MUH REAL SOCIALISMM
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>>73924678

When will Columbia BUILD WALL between you and Venezuela?
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>>73924458
Or you could just go to Colombia, right now we're motherfucking Switzerland in comparison to them
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>>73924984
Never, because we actually trade a lot with them.

Venezuela will collapse, a new government will emerge and they will start rebuilding the country. In the meantime there should be good business opportunities
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>>73925189
You can trade with us instead, lets conquer Venezuelan and split the land, let's also take Central America just for the lulz
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>>73923779
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHK-ioV8UE8
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>>73923198
topkek
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>>73926022
That's amazing.
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>>73923905
why did South America go to shit?
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>>73925189
Anyone with any brains left that shithole a long time ago. The only people left to even rebuild anything are either poorly educated due to the intellectual hemorrhage that's been going on for the past 20 years or people deep into thug culture possible due to the government's negligence (and this is the millenial generation who have known of only Chavez' government).

>>73927385
Wealth disparity causes clashes with the classes. You can make an argument over whether it's morally right or not to let the top 5% control everything but in South America the average citizen is a retarded farmer who has no ambitions yet want riches for doing simple work. Because of this you see multiple coups (often military) that switch between full-blown communism to full-blown facism, depending on what's in power at the time. Democracy doesn't work in South America.
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>>73921248
>watch video of riot
>all those dark brown people

This will be Europe in 20 years if not sooner.
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>>73921248

>tfw a friend from venezuela tells me his daily life

>TL;DR translation
>firend tells me that the situatios is so shit that it would end up like zimbabwe
>government has stolen so much money from companies that nobody wants to invest on venezuela
>he is lucky if he gets to eat twice a day
>i tell him to run to chile or arg
>a plane ticket is so expansive that he would need to work without eating for two years
>tell him that he has a clear goal, contact a friend form chile
>that would not be soon

iv'e known him from like almost 5 years ago, im thiking of sending him some supplies and computer stuff since his e8400+hd 5450 computer is dying
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>>73921248
Wonderful vision of the future under Comrade Bernie.
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>>73929568
Can he not even get a boat or something out of the country?
Also what is up with that flip flop between spanish and english?
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>>73921248
And how is this America's fault?

Come on, loop it back around. Uncle Sam has to be responsible somehow.
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>>73930069
because he lurks 4chan too a lot from years ago so we are used to talk in memes so long (and i hope he doesnt see this thread btw)

and yes, i have told him that too, but idk what is holding him, we both know a friend from chile that can help him so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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>>73929568
fuck him they fucked up their country not gonna let them come fuck ours even worse.

Stay and fix that shit.
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>>73930146
>chavez
>super cancer
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>>73921248

This is why we need to built the wall ASAP. Venezuela will disolve in the next few months and millions of them will come pouring across the border... and they'll instantly start voting for the dems/socialists again. fucking morons. what a stupid goddamned country. all that oil to exploit and they fucked it up. lets get that fucking wall built.
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>>73930723

why dont chile and arg build a wall that separates them from the rest of the shithole that is south america
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>>73923271

Its the peoples fault. Everyone knows Chavez fucked it up but if he were still alive the fucktards there would vote for him again.
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>>73931091
Chile is an island and the argentinian wall is coming soon
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This is 100% the fault of Chavez and his ilk.
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>>73929568
That depends on the color of his skin. If he's white, he needs help, if he's brown, he's part of the problem.
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I don't know how it's possible to have the best oil in the world and still fuck up so bad.
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>>73931197
Source on the wall?
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> the government has stolen all the money

No, the government spent all the money on welfare programs
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>>73931233
>blaming someone even though he's dead

Yeah fuck off.
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>>73923007
The Bern Rises
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>>73921248
This your future with Bernie Kikers
well... if he goes all commie
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>>73922916
easier to get rope around drama teacher's neck
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>>73931293
actually their oil has high sulfur
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>>73930723
This is filled with Paraguayan, Bolivian and Peruvian illiterate indians having children by the dozen and you worry about college educated legal migrants from Venezuela?
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>>73921248
b-but r-real s-socialism hasn't been tried!
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>>73931563
fuck off you know the good ones will end up in the USA and we'll get the socialist shitter niggers that wreck countries.
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I'm still waiting for Maduro to keep his promise and invade Brazil

I want something to make living in this continent interesting
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>>73931563

This. Venezolanas are hotter, too.
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Can someone summarize how/why this is all happening?
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>>73932812
It's just the end result of socialiism.
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>>73921248
THIS IS THE FUTURE OF USA

WAKE UP ASSHOLES

THIS IS OUR FUCKING FUTURE RIGHT HERE IN JEWMURICA
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>>73921248
I don't get it, the citizens outnumber the government like 100000:1, guerrilla warfare could easily pick off the army, or target the families of politicians by burning them alive to send a message.
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>>73932812
>Can someone summarize how/why this is all happening?

>Chavez gets into power
>FREE GIBS
>No investment in the future, allows state oil company to go to seed.
>"Oil is doing good, and it will always do good."
>Oil prices collapse
>Venezuela is kill.
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>>73924676
8 years ago they were claiming that it was a great example of democratic socialism. Funny how a little dip in oil prices can absolutely destroy shitty economic systems. Hopefully Saudi Arabia will be next.
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>>73927385
Venezuela was very wealthy. A portion of the population stayed poor and lived in shanty towns. But a lot of the poor now in that country aren't even Venezuela. There are Colombians, Peruvians, heck there are even Haitians.
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>>73933028
maduro fucked venezuela to the end

i dont know how can a person be like that?

i think he is a US puppet to fuck the country up

the good things i will do if i were a country leader
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>>73932812
long story short communism happened

It'd take pretty long to explain everything but basically the country literally ran out of money

http://www.theguardian.com/world/venezuela

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/02/07/venezuelas-economic-catastrophe-isnt-about-to-happen-it-has-happened/#3fc2ebb75a1e

Just check this out
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>>73932812
True Capitalism at its worst has options and redundancy. Venezuela has one chokepoint with fifty bureaucrats standing on the hose.
If you will, the immediate issue isn't socialism per se but centralization (but recall that modern socialism was cooked up by the British ruling class to trick people into embracing centralization).
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>>73933305
how is that new guy doing?

what are his plans for brazil?

do you think he is just another US puppet?

good that bitch dilma got suspended
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>>73933019
Compare Europe: all the media and education is brainwashing about how weak and isolated you are.
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>>73933028
you forgot

>seizing private businesses
>price controls
>180% inflation rate (yearly)
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>>73932812
Chavez takes farm land from farmers and wealthy farm owners. Gives it to poor people who can't farm. So, now the land isn't producing. Venezuela is a food growing country and had to recently important flower for baking because nothing is producing in that land I mentioned. Inflation begins. A few other things I can't remember.

Everything becomes expensive. They ran out of toilet paper a while back. My uncle who owns a business can't leave the country because the bank there has frozen assets. Not that there's anyone buying anyway.

So what you are seeing is like the end of communism in 1989. But they didn't have the real communism.
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>all those poor families who would probably sell their cutie virgin daughters for a few 100 USD and a jeep ride across the nearest border
>country is too violent and dangerous to go there to do this

What a cruel outcome.
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>>73925189
E can build a wall and Venezuela can pay
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>>73933546
i cant believe that most south americans countries are shit crime ridden countries


why?

why dont they work to become good?

most of them have valuable resources yet they are shit
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>>73923913
>At least the truck driver has the knowledge and experience that comes with doing hard work
PFFFFFFFFHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No
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>>73923271
EVERYTHING.
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>>73923467
I support this.
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>>73933969
>i cant believe that most south americans countries are shit crime ridden countries

How long will your electricity last?
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>>73923779
The great "power"of Marxist ideas, m8.
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>>73925072
That's true.
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>>73924676
No, fuck off.
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>>73933028
>Can someone summarize how/why this is all happening?

Well, there is this thing that white people invented called modern civilization. Venezuela is the results of brown people trying to emulate white people and create a civilization all on their own with no training wheels.

As you can see, the results are disastrous.
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>>73931349
Ah no. They SAID they did it. But most of the money was just stolen.
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>>73924984
>Congolombia
>Building a wall
That would be so good so no one gets out

Drug war would be over
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>>73932812
Marx.
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>>73933755
Chili did. So did Uruguay. I`ve seen Monte-video. I actually dreamed of falling in love with a hot Uruguyan woman and moving there. A man can dream cant he
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>>73933449
He hasn't really done anything impactful yet since he became president yesterday,but he's already created a new plan to attract foreign companies to the country called PPI,which is going to work kind of like the Chaebols in South Korea from what i could get out of his speech
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>>73933028
>Oil prices collapse
Also this meme has to die. We were quite fucked already before the price of oil dropped.
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>>73933755
Again: Marx
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>>73934130
>implying that the workers own the means of production in Venezuela

Third world "marxism" is a fucking joke. Simply wanting welfare is not a revolutionary thought.
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>>73927385
literally because the USA stopped backing Fascist dictators
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>>73934167
>>73934209
Where do you live, bro?
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>>73934478
>Also this meme has to die. We were quite fucked already before the price of oil dropped.

Well, okay, but wasn't it the trigger? The government there was always dependent on oil revenues, right? It made it worse by spending it on useless shit.
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>>73934656
Probably Caracas since he has power
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>>73925338

This T(o)B(e)H(onest)
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>>73934693
venezuela was shit even during $140 a barrel price
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>>73925189
I really hope so man. One of my best bros lives down there and i hate that he has to go through this shit. somebody needs to make venuzuella great
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>>73921248
Yeah it's pretty sad really, I have a friend from there and his whole family has moved here pretty much because they hated Chavez and the government was shilling their company hard( yes they are legal as well). They used to own one of the largest tractor companies in the world and now their company doesn't exist. It screwed them over here as well because their company failed after they moved here and became residents, so they were unemployed for a long time and lived off of savings. He was talking about how they would take a single sheet of toilet paper and basically finger your ass to save paper, that's how bad it got. Now they love America and all hate socialism.
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>>73921248
Sorry but not real socialism.

Socialism has never been tried :^)

How can leftists ever recover from this? lmao
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>>73931091
Chile doesn't need a wall. They've got two natural ones; the Atacama desert in the north and the Andes to the east
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Coming to a Bernie America..
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>>73933969
How are you survivng?
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>>73935319
That brain drain effect in these 'post-Marxist' countries is the biggest threat. If that happens to a large extent Venezuela will become India 2.0 - all the big-brainers living in the US, leaving the country brain-dead to irreparable levels.
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>>73925338
Uh nuh uh, Mexican.
All of Venezuela will be exclusively mine.
My own country to frolic in.

Keep your clean bean hands off it.
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>>73921248

Hmmm needs more capitalism.
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>>73931349
>> the government has stolen all the money
oy vey, the government didn't steal anything, people don't own the money the make, socialism is great, trust me

t. bernie sanders
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>>73924676
this would be hilarious, if it wasnt so tragic to acual venezuelans

These are the people that lauded Chavez as the new harbinger of true socialism a decade ago
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>>73929568
>spanglish
literally worse than merkel
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>>73929568
>there is still people supporting the government, like 30%

latin america is a fucking joke
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>>73935947
I'm sure they will move back if the country gets on its feet again. They love it there even though it's shit, they visit every summer. They even have a Venezuelan flag in their house with the original stars on it. Have hope my friend.
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>>73936772
o shit waddup!!!
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>>73936638
Probably the government subsizides motorcylce gang :Collectivos` that would go around and shoot at protesters. Even cases of Chavistas grabbing government critics from offices and universities and beating them up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHBDQ0b5t0Y

The Young Turks desbribing a story correctly for a change.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUi0HZ7akTg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzBlPlbheck
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>>73936772
o shit build it!!!
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Post venezuelan qts
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well looks like another country we can add to the socialism doesn't work list.
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>>73936772
>I'm sure they will move back if the country gets on its feet again.
That rarely happens with Indians at least. 80%+ of the H1B holders go on to get permanent status and much of the 20% who don't remain on extensions.
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How bad is this for South America if Venezuela collapses?
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>>73937677
Not going to affect anyone tbqh
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>>73937771
Neat. How's lynching your prime minister going?
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>>73931091
Chile doesn't need a wall, they have no welfare, so no lefties want in.
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>>73937677
no one will really care
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>>73937677
when was the last time you even heard of Venezuela besides this?
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I sure am glad the Venezuelan opposition took over the legislature. They've really fixed the country!
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>>73921248
Fuck, all this fucker will arrive here sooner or later pls us nuke them quickly
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>>73937862
Wut?

You mean Dilma?

She got impeached and replaced by a guy who at least knows how politics and the economy works,our new first lady is a qt too
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>>73922916
A terrorist.
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>>73937983
The problem is that Maduro is making things hard by cutting off the electicty in the house of delegates so they cant debate or anything
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>>73931643
Didn't the exact same thing happen with the Italians, except in that case you got all the good ones but Brazil wound up with the rejects?
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>AgainstCronyCapitalism
>leader is a socialist

How's that work? It's obviously because of government corruption that this happened but that's just the "crony" part. Where's the capitalism?
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>>73937479
I'm more talking about my friends personally, but yeah I could see the majority of immigrants not wanting to move back to places like india.
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>>73938300
We have almost the same number of Italian immigrants,but the only cool ones we got were Ranieri Mazzili and Itamar Franco,Argentina has Messi
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>>73935820
It is also mined.
from our and their side
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I'm curious about the role of "colectivos" in the Venezuelan transition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colectivo_%28Venezuela%29

The leftists have a huge paramilitary wing of fanatical militants armed to the teeth. Will this people quietly go back to their homes and lay down their arms when the PSUV is not on power anymore, or will they fight?

Because if they do, only a bloody civil war will manage to take Venezuela from them, and the opposition will need support from the army, which they don't have.
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>>73927385
American interventionism whereby they murdered any political opponents who refused to hand everything in the country over to American corporations.

Combined with some of the countries, in reaction to american policies, adopting a pro-USSR stance and inviting communism into their countries.

Now that communism and the USSR is dead, the US can strongarm and destroy these countries for political/economic gain again without any blowback, and because venezuela still supports russia, they're the first on the chopping block.
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>yfw Chile gets Venezuela and adds on to their quest to completely landlock all of South America
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>>73921248
better hope you guys elect trump or you are going to have to take all these guys under hillary
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>live in shithole
>people moving here from worse shitholes
>now besides thousands of peruvians arriving each year we have to deal with colombians and venezuelans arriving in droves
>they all shit anchor babies the moment they get here
>they all apply for dem gibs me dats
>zero fucking contribution to the country, besides turning this shit government more and more socialist
>they're even more nigger than us
>you can't go outside without hearing lots of different accents

I feel like this shit country doesnt have a culture worth protecting, but, fuck off, this shithole is bad enough already.

>180k clp to rent a small flat
for fucks sake
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>>73939576
Just they fucking try it,i'm not letting anyone force me into learning Spanish
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>>73921248
we need a wall
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>>73938061
I can't respect a man who marries such an obvious golddigger
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>>73939888
Even worse, they're going to force you into being American
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>>73923271
considering how much oil they have they should be doing all right but commies fuck up everything
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Ven version of pinochet when?
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>>73939962
>golddigger
>Implying you could resist Dracula's charm
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>>73940148
the fucker really does look like a vampire
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>>73940402
Does Caracas look like one big favela or is that just me?
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>>73940422
I'm pretty sure he is a vampire actually
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Maybe socialism works just fine but it's Hispanics that fuck it up with corruption.

Which would be worse for a liberal to admit: either socialism is inherently flawed or Hispanics are.
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>>73940735
Venezuela has niggers, Africa is shit no matter what because niggers, go figure.
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>>73940832
ultimately what only matters is race, so long as the race remains pure what system you have is true and never false.
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>>73941011
You can bring together dogs and teach them a system if you now bring cats and teach them the same system it will never be the same, there is no such thing as a human standard only Euro standard, African standard, Asian standard etc..
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>>73940402
the hell, caracas looks like a small city from mexico, like guanajuato
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When I was there many years ago. I would describe Caracas this way. Look at the palm of your hand. Downtown Caracas lies in the middle. While the favelas are at the edges of the palm, Caracas is completely surrounded by favelas. There are only a few ways of leaving it.
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>>73929568
>go to chile
FUCK OFF AND DIE, WE'RE FUCKING FULL
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Please let it collapse so I can use it as another example of failed socialist or communist states. Thanks.
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>>73941242
he is on the way now :^)
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>>73939884
CUT
THE
GIBS
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>>73933056
Saudi Arabia is the one working with the US to dunk the Oil prices burger
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>>73941441
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>73925189
Malditos bachaqueros.
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>>73929568
wouldn't it be easier to go to Columbia or Bolivia both monetarily and culturally? not that columbia is great but hey. better than two years of absolute misery.
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Their oil reserves are mostly tar sand which are financially unfeasible to extract and refine below a certain price ($70/bbl iirc, I may be wrong). It's nothing like Saudi oil.

I pulled pic related off google in 5 seconds, and I remember something about US sanctions a few years ago. Not sure what % of their social programs were financed by oil exports (all of it? lol), or what % of their economy was based on exports.

This is what happens when you fail to diversify.

The Gulf States and Saudi Arabia, instead of purely giving free gibs, have sovereign wealth funds where they basically buy financial assets and accrue the interest, dividends, rent, etc. If Venezuela had done the same thing in good times, they wouldn't be as fucked as they are now.
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>>73941441
IF I SEE THAT FUCKING EMOTICON ONE MORE TIME...
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>>73940735
Yeh all those Hispanics in Eastern Europe really fucked up the USSR.
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Hopefully shit holds off a little longer.
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>>73941672

too late, enjoy your new neighbour m8

>>73941801
:¬)
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>>73927385
Socialism
they have a crap load of oil yet are starving
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SOME OF US STILL LIVE! BUT WE NEED TO POOP.

SEND HEL.... SEND TOILET PAPER!

Pero en serio. necesitamos Papel Sanitario
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>>73933019
Honey, Venezuela BANNED PRIVATE GUN OWNERSHIP in 2012

disarm the people and keep guns only in the hands of the government, you can do anything with them that you want
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It feells like the happening happend here. you can find alot of food and other stuff but you have to sell your flesh, blood, soul, organs to pay for them.

Dunno if Maduro is gonna fall (hope so) but it will take years and alot of work to go back to the 1999 Venezuela.
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>>73921248
Mercenaries 2 when?
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>>73938300
The rejects ended up being nice, since nobody liked them, they didn't receive anything other than land, so they had to work and provide for themselves. Same with the germans and polacs, that's why the south has europe levels of human development (outside of the nigger areas).
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>>73925338

>conquer Venezuela
>inherit all its debt and immediately collapse
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>>73942675
not when brought under the umbrella of a semi-competent government
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So many Venezuelans in this thread

Is it true you guys get electricity for only like 4 hours a day?
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>>73941700
>going to Bolivia

Actually they mostly go to Spain, Miami, or Colombia
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>>73925338
Juan, deal with Pene-Nieto first before you go after the bus driver.
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>>73923779
The price of oil has dropped drastically over the past decade, and that's pretty much their main export. Oil producing companies like Chevron have been hurting for the same reason.
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>they thought the commodity boom would last forever

OIL IS GOING TO $200 SOON GUYS I SWEAR IT WILL ALL BE OKAY (china please bail me out. we're friends, right?)
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>>73944022
>pretty much their main export
That's an understatement. It's basically all they have. >>73941731
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If "oposicion" leaders were in power they'd be right there licking our anuses at the U.N. promoting feminist jewery while throwing support for stronger action against the evil Assad.
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Communism is slowly but surely being kicked out of South America, things are still rough, but now that both Argentina and Brazil got rid of their respective red cancer, we can dream of a better future.
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>>73942675
how does that work
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Have a neighbour that was born in Venezuela he has a family now we have talked about the situation there he had to use all the money he had just to buy a plane ticket and flee the country with his family back in the 90s
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I remember half of population of Venezuela were supporting Capriles for two past elections, do you guys think he can fix things with help of US?
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>>73924040
See: Norway.
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Come on Venezuela, kick of the commies, we're going to do the same in Chile thanks to Chiloe's Happening
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>>73938161
this.
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>venezuela will be a rare flag soon
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